>It's herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X6BkFwJu0E&pp=ygUXZHJhb2duIHF1ZXN0IDEyIHRyYWlsZXI%3D
>DQXII: Beyond Dreams>hero looks like he really needs a napBRAVO
>>739680815Why does your link have aids?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X6BkFwJu0E
>>739681171Interesting. I wonder if the little ayy lizard looking dude is going to be the antagonist with playable interludes given the two states we see him in.
>>739681717It’s just the MC transformed, he has the same haircut, belt and sword
>>739680963they gotta fire the DB super artist holy shit
>>739680963Golem get ye gone
>joe tiredthey already did the dream thing in VI
>>739680815dragon quest 6 again where the twist is you were the dream character the entire time calling it now
>>739680815Sex with mechanics, not feeling the protagonist design but maybe he will look better if you change his clothes
>Dark and mature DQ? Uh oh think about investors! Think about them sales!>Here we remade it into generic DQ story Thx nips very cool
>>739680963He looks retarded. I won't be playing broccoli cut zoomer.
>>739680815DEI Quest is here lmao
>>739683873>broccoli cutyou are mentally ill
The art style is becoming more and more hideous
>>739680815looks cool>>739680963>>739682113>>739683873prime example why we need gatekeeping
>>739680815I played a few of the dragon quest games and honestly the only time i ever had fun and replayed was 8 and 9. Why were those games just so good and all the others are boring?
funny that they said that the art was made by Toriyama when it's obvious that not
>>739684687Kek I knew they would say this.
>>739684472It somehow looks worse visually than 11. Square is a dead company.
DQ11's artstyle was great, why does this game look so rancid?
>>739682113I don't think that guy will be an issue anymore anon don't worry
>>739680815This does not look modern. Clearly they want this game on the Switch 1 badly.
Should have been a female protag. Not even nips like this drug addict-looking dude
>>739684630GG is over. You don’t have to be contrarian anymore. You can admit that an objectively bad design is bad. This isn’t a “us vs them” debate, it’s just a shitty design that looks ugly.
Man, those AI trailers are shit. So when is the real one coming out?
>>739680963Is he a human who becomes a lizard, or a lizard that becomes a human though?
>>739680963did they seriously hire that fraud? Oda wouldve been the perfect passing of the torch moment
nips really are disliking everything shown so farhttps://bbs.animanch.com/board/6823782/
>>739680963toriyamas artstyle really fucking fell off around the battle of gods era. all the characters look so spindly and have that golem get ye gone slouch
>>739680815you're gonna wait 10 years for something that looks just like XI lmao
>>739685180>they actually wanted it to become an edgefestOpinions disregarded.
It's hard to even feel anything when the game is probably another 3 to 5 years away.Fuck modern game development.
>>739680815>*Smooch*
>>739685398Might be quicker than that it already looks like they've done quite a bit of work since the restart.
>>739680963it's him
>>739680815I finished all main FFs and DQs and this is the first numbered game from these series I don't want to play.I was at least somewhat excited when every previous game was announced. Yes, even FF13, even FF16, and yes, EVEN FF15.I'm actually sad right now. This looks very, very bad. I'm trying to hang onto the hope that next trailers will show some good gameplay. And a choice of MC or character creation. I prefer having one predetermined MC in JRPGs, but I really don't want to play as this badly designed creature. And I don't care what colour his skin is.
>>739685759>I've played every game in both franchises>I'm judging this solely by comparing it to FF and not DQsure thing buddy
>>739685854I mentioned FF13, 15 and 16, because no DQ was as controversial as them. Since they were always more conservative.Not only did I finish all DQs, I finished the original version of each.
>>739680815>>739680963Simply KINO
>>739680815Since Sugiyama has passed away, any word on who's doing the soundtrack?
>>739680815Reading in between the lines of why they restarted development. Flames of Fate was definitely aiming for the AAA normie Snoy crowd that likes 7 Remake trilogy. WIth the little info we had about it, they talked about it possibly not being completely traditional turn based for example. That alone was an indicator of the direction and audience they were wanting to capture. It was probably stuck between a rock and a hard place because they were trying to be what DQ is and yet going after the elusive "modern" audience trendsHowever after XI's Switch release* along with HD2D remake trilogy success, they were probably wondering what the fuck they were doing going after people who don't like JRPGs* - Before shitposters come, relative success is key retards. It was by far the most popular on Switch where Nintendo RPGs that thrive tend to be classic turn based
>>739686245apparently at least some of the music in 12 was done by him
>>739686320Finally a non braindead goyim consumer
fyi, the original producer guy was fired in early 2024 and the new one was brought in.so development restarted when toriyma was still alive and working.
>>739680815Ugly ass game
rumor has itNokturnus(EN) = Dark Dre-a-m(JP) = protagonistfunny if it's true
>>739680963>beset by strange visions >looks like he hasn’t slept in weeksActually a pretty good design. Good job, SE.
>>739680815On one hand it feels cheap of them to just copy a Chrono Trigger character. But on the other hand. They did copy best girl. So she might be good too.
The protagonist is the frog faggot, they've got the same hair and sword. He's dreaming of being a real boy.
I'm so fucking tired of sidecuts.They look like shit.And that's it, I don't have further jokes or colorful imagery for my hatred, I'm just too exhausted wth them.
>>739680963the kind of tired eyes that sleep wont fix
>>739684687We're at two post-humous "the last thing Toriyama created before dying" now. Third if you want to count Daima since he died between its announcement and airing.I expect at least three more before the end of the decade.
>>739686042Of course you did
>>739680963Wow, this looks garbage. Can we have an alt character at least?
>>739680963he's tired so he's based
did toriyama die before finish him and they they went with it anyway?
>>739680963BRAVO TORIYAMA
>>739680963He's just like me.
>>739686042>dragon warrior ivYou didn't beat the game
>>739687719My first thought was Amano eyes, they're just so low effort but create such a good effect
>>739680963He looks like me... He's built like me...
>>739680963Sick of these faggots ass designs with a fade on the sides and the gay ass slicked back hair.
>>739680963>Making DQ without ToriyamaI know he's dead but his successor ain't any better. People ITT keep talking about the tired eyes but the iris are shown way too much to come across as half lidded tired eyes. Proportions are bad too.
How many of you are familiar with his non Dragonball designs? You know Sandland, Blue Dragon, Slump, etc?The biggest issue with the hero is that he's a secondary/rival character that got promoted to MC.
>>739680963>>739685485>Zoomer Goku>Zoomer Bulma>Zoomer Piccolothey are all here
>>739680815>Those robotsWe stealing from Blue Dragon now? Yes, I know Toriyama did the art for that too.
>>739689663Don't worry they have a pile of Toriyama concept napkin scribbles that they'll randomly use, just like the Xenoverse 3 team.
>>739680963>Zach, 19, night shift worker, "it's fine bruh I'm a natural night owl"
>>739680963Confirmed zesty nigger
>>739680815>>739680963100% these characters were desgined for the dark and edgy version of the XII and realized they couldn't outright scrap them due to being made by Toriyama, and with Toryiama gone can't get anyone to retweak them either.
>>739680963
>>739684896he means toyotaro.he's infamous terrible and the db community hates his art.
>>739692046
>>739688817>>dragon warrior ivAt least complain that it's an emulator screenshotThere are very few people like me that've played through any of the games in Japanese without understanding a word of Japanese, that's not normal behaviour
>>739682113>they gotta fire the DB super artist holy shitThat's Toriyama.
>>739680963Is that Uub?
>>739692928>without understanding a word of JapaneseIf you didn't understand it you didn't beat the game
>>739684687>funny that they said that the art was made by Toriyama when it's obvious that notDo people seriously forget what Toriyama's art ACTUALLY looked like?
>>739686320The HDRemake trilogy was censored shit fuck you
>>739693171I can't believe they race-swapped Uub
>>739680963Are the character designs still made by Toriyama before he passed away? It doesn't look like it to me.
>>739695256>It doesn't look like it to me.Well you're stupid, see >>739693171
>>739680963his mohawk looks cool
>>739680963All these posts complaining about this fine looking character>theirAm I even looking at 4chan right now? Complain better
>>739695468Are you saying that they looks similar? Because they don't.The new DQ MC doesn't have the usual Toriyama eyes.
People are still acting like late Toriyama was the same as 1995 Toriyama lmao did any of you watch Daima? Some characters in that had similar features to this Hero.
I'm getting tapion vibes 2b desu
>>739695256>Are the character designs still made by Toriyama before he passed away? It doesn't look like it to me.They are.
I think Toriyama sucks so Toriyama filtered by people aping his style is even worse
>>73969627699.9% of self-professed Toriyama fans on /v/ only started caring about him after he died and it's so they can whine when he's "not involved with something".Unfortunately for them, none of them actually saw what he was drawing for the past 20 years and so they think this design isn't his.
>>739680963He looks like me...he's built like me, I...thank you.
>>739697306ISSA DIFFERENT
trvth nvke: the side stubble/fade looks better than 90s!Toriyama's smooth bald mohawks
>>739695475I think its rather telling that they picked this shot as the thumbnail image. Definitely the best angle of the MC's design in the trailer. Depending on how the design itself translates to narrative or game-play, I think it's neat that he looks sleep deprived if he's really someone who tries to avoid sleeping in order to avoid his visions gets in his dreams. Makes me wonder if they will have a mechanic where the narrative unfolds in parallel between the waking world and the "dream" world where he becomes a lizard, like every time you rest in a tent or at an inn you actually jump between worlds and POVs.
>>739680963he's just like me frfr nocap
>>739680963lmaoooooooooooo what the fuck did they do to the yuusha?
>>739684630nah looks like hot garbage
>>739698009They just fucked his shit up
>>739680963It's John DragonQuest
>>739680963Idk he gives me young android 16 and Stallone vibes I think he will grow on me
>>739682113We gotta fire you from life for being such a retard.
>>739680963The loss of Toriyama couldn't be more apparent even if it tried, he looks like shit.
>>739680815>Dragon Quest XII, like every game before it, will come with Akira Toriyama’s characters and Koichi Sugiyama’s music. And that’s everything I can say for now.A dark room in SquareEnix's main studio, the light turns on, in the center of the room: three computers, the first two each connected to glass vats containing human brains, plaques under the vats read Toriyama and Sugiyama. The last computer, silent, connected to a vat labeled Horii, it is empty, for now. The future of Dragon Quest is in good hands.
>>739680963I like him decently. His tired stare could be a good silent reaction to the game's events
>>739680815lizardman foreskin sexoooooooooo
>>739699473Wait till they come out and tell you the entire party was personally hand drawn by him before his death your mind will be blown. You probably think the copycats who aped his ancient style for HD-2D are actually the real Toriyama.
>>739680963He's not "traditionally cool" like say, 8's hero, but I like him.The tired look is memorable.
>>739680963From the very first moment I heard that they were going to do some darker tone I knew it was a fucking retarded idea.Because even with all the happy slimes everywhere DQ games already had some serious story content in them. And them choosing to go beyond that to me just says that they wanted some retarded GoT-esque plotline or Yoko Taro level of pointless suffering just for suffering's sake. Some shitty edgy medieval Mad Max with a DQ skin on it.I'm glad they canned it but this new game doesn't look very good either at the moment thanks to the protagonists stupid looking design.Like forget the stupid hair for a moment. Why is his color scheme so retarded as well? A light blue weightlifting belt with yellow pants? Leather that looks orange in the light? A dumb looking lizard form?Is this design a remnant of the edgy tone and he was some shaved head prisoner grabbing whatever scraps he could find as he makes his escape?
Didn't Toriyama die? How the fuck are they still making these?
>>739700213They got ToriyamAI working for eternity now.
>>739700213Why would you think that would stop these games? Not only does Toriyama have a studio of people that are trained to imitate his art, but this game has been in dev hell for a decade now.
>>739680963FENTANYL QUEST
>>73969730616 has way more T (synthetic) than this twink
>>739700152>Is this design a remnant of the edgy tone and he was some shaved head prisoner grabbing whatever scraps he could find as he makes his escape?Perhaps he's a forest barbarian boy
>>739680963This has to be the worst looking JRPG protagonist of all time. He looks like the nigger Prince of Persia.
>>739680963What if his real form is the lizard and he dreams of being a real boy?Maybe the game starts with him winning the tournament to gain recognition, then he takes off his helmet and everyone shits on him for being a monster.>>739699746They already said that in this stream.It has Sugiyama’s music too.
>>739680963Finally, a DEI approved DQ protagonist!Thanks America!
>>739700535fuck off zhuangzi, back to your grave
>>739680963would be ok if he had literally any other hair style
>>739700504>>739700598>DEI>nigger>Character is completely whiteExplain this
>>739682113>>739684896toriyama made this character, retard.
>>739700747>completely white
>>739688724this shit has been in the pipes for the better part of a decade now, this is probably what toriyama had in mind for the scrapped XII but had the current team repurpose it just to say him and sugiyama were involved
>>739700815That's lighting retardbro, just look at >>739680963
>>739700747/v/pol is not very smart
>>739700747>that is whitebro.... he has the same skin colour as pic related.
>>739700747DEI just means non-white and non-attractive.Neither his facial features nor his sandy skin tone look white. More like a mixed mutt.
>>739700213toriyama actively got toyotaro to copy his art style before he died, lol.
>>739680963Why does he looks like a Brazilian?
>>739700904Most middle-eastern looking white boy I've ever seen. Also dunno wtf you up to posting the screenshot I screenshotted my picture grab from nigga. You dumb as fuck. You better unalive uself dog. Bitch ass dumb nigga. Damn.
>the new protagonist can transform into lizardman that’s a plus for me
>>739700815he has the mediterranean glow
>>739700945As the other thread has pointed out, he probably gets the lizard form, or maybe permanently becomes a lizard (like a curse).He looks kinda weird because they're going to give him animal-like features/vibes.
>>739701027He's not even "schwarty white" like an Italian or Spaniard. He looks like he plays for the French or German football team.
>>739680815still no confirmation if they're sticking to turn based combat
>>739701083This hair fuzz on his lizard form is foul desu.
At the very least that fucking hair has got to go. It better be customizable.
>>739701023He's probably supposed to be a Japanese kid with a tan
He reminds me about Ban from Nanatsu except with a really gay haircut.Hell should've called Nakaba to design the party
>>739701110please, he's no darker than antonio banderas
same eyes
>>739680963>>739680963Yeah I'm not touching this game if this is the MC, because wtf lol
>>739680963Bussin Quest
>>739701236How dare you insult Zorro like this. You better apologize.
>>739701194if that was my kid, i'd have to have a long conversation with my wife about infidelity. he is not asian, he is not white, that kid is 100% purebred mutt brownoid
>>739701241OH DEAR GOD HE IS A FUCKING INDIANTHIS IS HOW DRAGON QUEST ENDS
Well we will never know if this really is Toriyama’s design lol
>>739701293it's literally impossible to tell a spaniard from a light-skinned hispanic, the native blood is getting completely wiped out over time
>>739680963His origin story has leaked. He is on mission to find his black father.
>>739680815I'm not seeing why the full reveal took four years since the announcement? It looks good but barely a step since XI, if fhe real advance isn't on the world scale or how interactive the surroundings are then the what exactly were taking this long for?
>>739701428An indian in dragon quest? nyooo
>So where you from, dragon quest hero?>Oh a little bit of everywhere. Spain, italy, morroco, iraq, kabul, the whiter parts of india (england)...
>>739680815I really hope this isn't a crappy action game
>>739701472They scrapped everything and started over at some point. We don't know when but it was probably at most a year or two back.
>>739701241saaaarrrr do not quest the dragons pleease.
>>739684687the game has been in development for nearly a decade
>>739701472they literally said they scrapped the first idea and started over. changed the subtitle and everything, it's a completely different game from the one they first announced
>>739701367They make purebred Japanese anime characters look like that all the time, with bigger eyes even.
>>739701429It's probably the same design from the previous iteration.They're changing the tone but keeping the designs, mostly because why the fuck would your discard the last MC designs that Toriyama made before dying? They're going to be used no matter what.
>>739680815bitch looks like a rejected code lyoko character
i like the designs
>>739701472>if fhe real advance isn't on the world scale or how interactive the surroundings are then the what exactly were taking this long for?See the OP pic here >>739682679They had production issues, but mostly importantly, these games just take too long to make bro, 4 years is nothing.
>>739680815>It's just another basic bitch Dragon Quest>NOOOO CHARACTER DOESNT LOOK RIGHT NOOO HE IS SLIGHTLY BROWN WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT HAIR NOOOOI hate this place
>>739680963People will hate on this design until they hear that Toriyama made this design in 5 seconds while having explosive diarrahea on the toilet then will turn around and say it's the best
>>739701635Yeah there's "ugly ugly" like Concord and shit, and there's "charming ugly".The MC is the latter.
the devs are going to pour their soul into this game. nothing resonates with them more than being totally fine, no, no, really, i'm just a little tired
>>739685180Kek
>>739701472They literally came out and said they scrapped the original game to "give DQ fans something we know they will like" In other words, Flames of Flop was an edgy disaster like nu-ff
>>739701884i don't even find him ugly, i was genuinely very surprised at /v/'s reaction here. i think it's a good design and he looks cool
>>739701667>4 years is nothing.Unless it has voice acting on launch, not really, DQ being able to have its base release without voice acting was a blessing for the devs who could work like in the nineties, full reign to change entire sequences at the last second without the need for re-recording lines, resulting in faster dev cycles.
>>739701241You bloody fuck you dragon, bastard bitch!
>>739701750Understand that most of the shitposting is certain individuals being mad because it's no longer ps5 exclusive like the original version very clearly was
>>739680963>Protagonist instead of HeroSquare has fallen
I mean besides the protag design, which does seem to be both his sleep issues and him changing into a lizard, it looks about what I expect for DQ trying to take another step forwards. My issue is no combat system showing.
>>739701241is this whole kerfuffle literally just that /v/ thinks eyebags are an indian trait
>>739702102The subtitles below has him referring to the character as "hero".
the only bad thing about the mc is his hair. /v/ jumping to conclusions and calling him indian is fucking stupid. i fucking hate all of you.
>>739702131yes
>>739702202I don't hate his design I just wanted more of IX myself, shame they never brought back that particular style again after the DS version
>>739680963This is the ugliest protagonist ever, holy shit please tell me I don't have to stick with this look the entire game
>>739686320Not to mention how Flames of Fate would have cannibalized sales of the FF7 Remake Trilogy (and the other tryhard edgy nonsense that Final Fantasy has devolved into), and could have been too bleak for dragonquestfags to give a shit about.
>>739702151Yeah and they also use the "they" pronoun instead of "he". Western localization is going to be super shit on this one
>>739701241i dont see the similarity fucking rightoid
>>739702326maybe it's just the translator of the trailer playing safe because they didn't get any inside-info about the game either
>>739685180>japs we’re interested in what a dragon quest but dark would look like>now that’s it’s not dark the designs look out of place Those seem to be the biggest comments I’ve seen from twitter showing me with Japanese tweets about this game for some reason, and that link has some people saying the same thing. I don’t think a dark dragon quest would be good, but I am morbidly curious. Maybe japs don’t have such shit tastes after all
>>739687481How did you look at that and think it's a frog? It's quite clearly a lizard.
>>739702449doubtful, squeenix's localization team is notoriously skinsuited
>>739701539Pardnurrr, thuh ayngry draygonz in muh hayd, pardnurrr
>>739702454I think it's really the bait and switch that bothers them. We had zero information on the game of any substantial value since its announcement as a darker, edgier title that would try to push the series boundaries, and now it looks like we're getting what amounts to a mix of VI and XI with lizard man insomnia, with the entire project rebooted into something more traditional besides Xenoblade style exploration. I'd be frazzled too, Japan takes DQ as a cultural phenomenon so they'd be more serious business than we are.
>>739680963He has terrible posture. It must be brown thing.
>>739680815>>739680963MC looks stupid but I like the Tomboy.
>>739700813The reply was clearly joking about it being Toriyama.
>>739702326God, you fucking anti-localizer fags don't catch a break, do you?
>>739701241this is what they meant by "darker" huh?
>>739701083It's gonna be a real world/dream world thing Maybe eventually he can just swap but the dream theming just makes me immediately think that this is a do-over of DQ6's conceptThey could even still reuse some 'dark' concepts by having a place devastated in the real world but still fine in the dream, or vice versa, like in 6
>>739702602I’ve seen a couple of japs say they should release what they had and make the new one 13 instead since an almost ten year break would mean an entire generation of kids wouldn’t have played a dragon quest, so what you said makes a lot of sense
>>739700747>completely whiteThe concerning part is that you actually believe that.
The problem with Dragon Quest is that it is an Enix-led project and is not, fundamentally, an in-house development. Square Enix is known for being an extremely siloed organisation, and has long resisted the decision to have Dragon Quest developed by Square-side developers (in other words, the most talented people at Square Enix).DQ XI was a joint development with ILCA, and DQ XII is likely to be a joint development with an external studio as well. DQ XII development was restarted because the PS5 did not sell as well as expected in Japan, forcing a change of platform; however, another significant factor was probably the fact that, within Japan, the number of external partners with the development capabilities to which SE could outsource works required for their flagship titles has been dwindling year by year. Development must have been fraught with difficulties.What SE should do is put an end to the pointless turf wars between Square and Enix, and make the decision to develop Dragon Quest—their finest IP alongside Final Fantasy—in-house.
>>739687289I could buy it if this ends up being a prequel to 4-6 like 11 was for 1-3 but Nokturnus doesn't have a lizardface either
>>739702983DQ has never been fully inhouseChunsoft, Artepiazza, TOSE, Level5 and more have all basically been the primary developers of the games at various points with Horii/Armor Project supervising
>>739693275Vegeta is my hero because of his decades long widows peak representation.I feel seen
>>739702983>What SE should do is put an end to the pointless turf wars between Square and Enix, and make the decision to develop Dragon Quest—their finest IP alongside Final Fantasy—in-house.Eh. No. Modern Square is so absolutely miserable that I can see why Enix would prefer to keep an arm's length. They would easily move to shortchange anything Enix wants to make in favor of more Final Fantasy, it's not even an imagination given how much they've squandered all their other IPs for the attempts at re-establishing FF fever.
>>739701241oi bro, why you lookin so tired? I told ya to join the highguards bro.
>>739700393Massive bulky musclebound character designs haven't been popular for like 40 years.
>>739703113you faggots are so dumb.hero is clearly white.
>>739703105I doubt they’d treat dragon quest very well if it succeeds too. They have a really bad habit of taking the money from very profitable games and using it to fund other games instead of reinvesting it into the original game, like with ff14
>>739697167this but unironically
>>739702983>some of the best games of the franchise are all outsourced work>"we should move it in-house!"what would this even accomplish
>>739701241DQ is fucking Dead
alright, no more of this facile racism, i demand serious dragon quest race sciencei have not played any of these games, so i have some questionsfirst, it seems obvious to me that DQ does not take place on earth. does each game take place in the same world with a set list of countries we can assign haplogroups to, or is it new each time?second, how many ethnicities are we currently aware of? the heroes do usually seem to be based on some kind of european admixture, but i have also seen the middle eastern type guysthird, is species-mixing possible? we've all seen the monster with the nigger lips, is that normal to his kind, or did his mother mix with a pseudo-african?DQfags, i demand answers
>>739703235ya! john highguard is white too! /vpol is just full of people who like to hate quality white man games!
>>739680963he looks subhuman
>>739680963Jim?
>>739684687Toriyama wasn't even cold before they started censoring his art and rolled out Yuji Horii to defend it and shift blame to somebody else.
>>739701241saaar this is the white man!pleeease buy the white saaar!
>>739701520Square Enix has been turning all their franchises into mediocre action combat for a while now
>>739702326You schizos need to take your meds
>thread has a bunch of people gaslighting people into believing a clearly indian protag is whitewhat the fuck is going on
>>739684687>when it's obvious that not
>>739701520If we've got this movement in the environment, I half expect it to be real time in so much as characters circling each other and releasing attacks DQX/Xenoblade stuff, "real-time" but it's basically a flurry of timing. They wouldn't go all in on action combat like this now that they wound it back to traditional, but they have the formula for RPG combat in real time in-between all that on their laps practically.
>>739703813he's absolutely not indian
>>739703984LOL
>>739703813He's not indian.It's just a mix of "trying to make him look like a lizard" + "bro is tired from the dreams".People here don't get the themes/symbolism.
>>739703813ssaar he is not indian saaarr them is very white saaar
>>739704153you think indians would deny representation? are you stupid?
>>739703508>does each game take place in the same world with a set list of countries we can assign haplogroups to, or is it new each time?1/2/3 share their setting but with multiple worlds involved.4/5/6 share a setting but there's also a physical dream world you can go to and hell. DQ3's main world map is shaped like the real earth but its obviously still fantasy. There's kingdoms themed around Rome, Japan, Egypt, etcReal world races are never mentioned once though there's some really obvious asians like the Japan kingdom, or Hotto in 11.The other games are extremely loosely connected to the above by references and a dimension hopping divine birdClosest we've ever got to species mixing are a half-dragons and that half-dragon's lust for horse pussy. Some monsters can turn themselves human if they wish really hard for it too.
>>739703423Whilst this might be feasible for games on the scale of the DS or PS2, or for simple turn-based RPGs set in closed maps, Dragon Quest is now facing the reality of an ageing fanbase even within Japan, and finds itself in a position where it must compete with titles such as The Legend of Zelda. They can no longer afford to cling to the outdated JRPG formula.And the number of external developers in Japan capable of creating such an innovative Dragon Quest—presumably an action-focused, open-world game like Zelda—is extremely small; in fact, they are essentially non-existent. Just take a good look at the anime slop that Bandai, which relies heavily on external developers, churns out year after year. These days, you can produce higher-quality games by outsourcing to Chinese or Korean developers than you can within Japan itself.
>>739680815>>739680963It looks... fucking mid.
>>739701241clearly white.
What was the reception of this game in Japan?
>>739704470flop
>>739704391whitest man in america
>>739704285excellent, so we should be able to use the names of kingdoms to develop our array of DQ slurs. does DQ3 include a map of countries, or is it just that the land mass is shaped similarly to earth?
>>739704391lol wtf
>>739685485she's just cheelai. im not complaining but lets not pretend.
>>739680963Tobal 2 looking nigga
>>739704592Just the landmass. And Greenland for some reason.And I actually almost forgot but there's a village of indians (featherheads not poos) too on North America
>>739704391Is this what /v/ is seeing when they look at this character?
>>739680963Getting some Shadow the Hedgehog / Donte vibes from this swarthy gypsy.
>>739704470Not a sales juggernaut, hence Square Enix worrying about their aging fanbase, the younger audiences don't have a connection to Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy like those who were around in the nineties have.
>>739687289>we have Shao Kahn at home
>>739704860hey gypsies are white! right?
>>739680963Kek you can tell he was supposed to be black in early dev. He still looks ethnically ambiguous.
>>739704321>and finds itself in a position where it must compete with titles such as The Legend of Zelda.???They not only aren't exactly the same demographic but Zelda releases so rarely now that it's not really competing with anyone.
>>739704768Toriyama recycling designs from the great beyond, shameful.
SOMEHOW SOMEWAY THE WESTOID WEG DESIGN HAS MADE ITS WAY TO THE BEACHES OF JAPAN AND WE GET TO LOOK AT HIDEOUS DESIGNS. FORTUNATELY THIS WON'T RELEASE FOR A VERY LONG TIME SO HOPEFULLY THE JAPS MAKE THE RETARDS AT SQUARE ENIX REBOOT THE GAME AGAIN
>>739680815With DQ9 originally being an action RPG and the original DQ12 concept being what it was, it really feels like Horii wants to be experimental with Dragon Quest but the rest of the team keeps reeling him back in to make it safe. After 12 comes out, they should just get an entirely new team to take up the mantle for 13 and then let Horii work on his own high budget non-mainline title where he can do what he wants. He's already 72, and a bad looking 72 at that for a Japanese person, might as well let him do a passion project for his potential final game while also getting a new team ready to take over the franchise.
>>739704861If they wanted to hook new players they really couldn't have picked a worse game than DQ7 to 'reimagine'
>game restarted development so it isn't shackled to the flopstation 5>suddenly everybody is shitting on Dragon Quest and trying to claim the MC isn't whiteI'm noticing.
>>739705007Toriyama only draws black guys as fat or 300lbs of muscle>>739705108Whatever they had planned with 9 could just has easily have been a spinoff, I dunno why it had to make the change on a main numbered title. I think he just let the other higher ups at squeenix get into his head about the whole 'turn based is outdated' thing even though they publish a dozen turn based games a year still.
>>739701241congrats OP your fucking retarded
>>739702346kek dumb redditoid tranny
>>739701110>schwarty whiteNigger do you mean 'swarthy'?
>>739700747Anon, you're arguing with retards. There's literally no winning. If a character isn't Hoyoverse pale then it's DEI and western pandering. I've even seen people here have a meltdown and start screaming about black people after seeing a Japanese character with a mild tan. The culture war has completely rotted their brain.
Anyone else think the scale of the castle in the first shot is way off, like I get perspective and all that but like, the trees are the size of the towers almost
>>739705371You're too sensible for this site, you retard. Let alone this board.
good job toriyama even from beyond the grave you continue to be a fucking hack
>>739680815Ok but what does HE think about it?
>>739705110VII was blatantly a pet project that Horii wanted to do while trying to get new people into it, but frankly VII is VII - a game that was a cultural hit in Japan because it hit at the right time after struggling to get a new developer for a long while, but was always kind of a controversial mess on its own. Neutering it to make it more palatable doesn't even begin to fix its inherent issues, and now the Japanese audiences are 26 years removed from release with changed standards. I dunno what Horii expected beyond being so out of touch that his favorite of the series simply doesn't resonate anymore, nor do his attempts to trim it down.
Game looks pretty close to the CG DQXI cutscenes graphically, I’m happy with the way it looks especially years out.
>>739703642Pardnurrrr, we don' liek nun wyts in aywurrr vidya gaymz, pardnurrrr
>>739680815Armpit focus
>>739704773alright, using this, i've done a preliminary breakout of the various continents by haplogroup based on how things are split on earth
>>739701489Torneko is clearly arab/jewish merchant, not a street shitting curry nigger
>>739701241nothing wrong with having slightly Indian features.fucking melties.
>>739704861>the younger audiences don't have a connection to Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy like those who were around in the nineties have.This is just proof that DQ as a franchise has absolutely nothing of value to offer beyond nostalgia.
>>739705851noooooh! you have the curry shit bloody bitch!
>>739705874there is nothing wrong with being indian, we need more indian protags to fight against prejudice in the west and japan.and its just in time for all the new Japanese and new European workers from india.
>>739706075dude the hero isnt fucking indian. wtf is this mental illness?
do folks here just have three jokes involving indians or what, it's the same loop of children trying to engagement bait with the same jokes every time
>>739706067It's literally the most basic and outdated take on the 4 niggas in a row genre
>>739693275Just ignore retards that have absolutely no clue what they're talking about I don't know why this series attracts the most people on this site that have never played, will never play, and know nothing about the games. Well I do have an idea, first and foremost the name square enix attracts a bunch of retards. Secondly and the name toriyama attracts a bunch of retards. Third is the retards who latched on during the censorship controversy. And lastly Dragon Quest has a prestige built up around in Japan so forcing yourself into the discussion is an easy way to feel like your Japanese and jrpg expert even though you don't actually care for the games and know nothing about them.
>>739706234Modern /v/ is filled with kids>but it's always been that way Yeah but these kids are raised by Twitter and reddit
>>739701949SameI'm sure most are fine with it, but /v/ likes to shit on anything possible. I'm sure 99% of the posters won't play a new DQ regardless
>>739700747If the character doesn't burst into flames when meeting sunlight they're not going to consider it white anon.
>>739680963I think we need to finally give it to the females now to make a new Dragon Quest game. We've had enough male protagonists for one lifetime. Let this one be the last.
>>739706291not only retards, Square is a schizo magnet
>>739704768>>739705036Toriyama was eons ahead of his time.
>>739680963this protag is clearly white, there isn't even a hint of indian in him.this is clearly a white gaijin game, for only the most racist and based white gaijins.
>>739702983>known for being an extremely siloed organisationleftist words, whatever opinion was posted is worthless
Hopefully this is the most censored and poorly localized entry yet.
I rather have DQ8 Remake...
>>739697167yooooooo they deadass gotta include this as a hairstyle option this game finna be bussin if they dostop complaining let horii cook
The protagonist of V is darker skinned for fuck's sake.
>>739706647looks indian to me.
>>739706443Should have gotten this body type for Marisa for SF6
It's funny how DQ is like the one jrpg series /v/ will never play but will always flip It's shit over every single time
>>739706682That's because in spirit and mind, you have become indian by being focused on indians.
>>739704813Probably, /v/ is pretty much mentally cucked. A Japanese guy will draw a tanned protagonist and /v/ thinks the character's a brown or black guy ready to jump out of the screen and raw dog their girlfriend or mother.
>>739680963I dunno why people are hating on this guy I think he looks alot better than 11 and 7
>>739705183I don't think Toriyama drew this.
>>739706647Fucking pajeet
>>739706774>I don't think Toriyama drew this.He did
>>739703828lol
>>739680963SLEEPY ASS NIGGAS
>>739706748"He who fights with Indians should look to it that he himself does not become a Indian. And if you gaze long into an Indian, the Indian also gazes into you."
>>739680815talk about milquetoast
>>739706647Carver's darker than Twelve too
>>739705007there is nothing about this dude that looks remotely blackt. black
>>739706774He drew all designs shown show far for DQ12 before he died.
>>739704391typical /v/ user
The MC really looks like he was designed for whatever darker DQ they had before, but of course since toriyamas dead, they're stuck with it and cant change it in their restructuring.
>>739707084Honestly he looks like a slave or pit fighter that escaped from the absolute bottom rungs of society or some shit. Less insomnia, more "raised to see some shit". The trailer gives us so very little to work from, though if the lizard really is him then he seems to be wanting to be heroic and bombastic to some degree, but the character design is honestly out of place next to the bombastic series theme and the bright scenery.
speaking of which what about that leak from a few weeks ago about how the story was full of sick shit and slaves getting branded and it was like 150 hour long to get though
The issue with the MC design is simply that most people just don't like Toriyama's art.People like the idea of Toriyama's art, but really what they like is Yamamuro DBZ art and not what Toriyama actually draws.
>>739707393dragonball > DBZ
>>739707339Completely made up of course
>>739707393Toriyama art is fine, no need to try to gaslight people. Even some of his leaner designs. The problem is the Hero of DQ has been getting increasingly sillier and weird for no particularly good reason.
The fucking gacha's design are a billion times better. Fuck Square.
>>739707489>Toriyama art is fine, no need to try to gaslight people.Nah, before he died people were way more open about hating a lot of his later art, it's only now that he's a corpse in the ground people pretend to like his later art.It was hilarious seeing the switch from Daima's reveal to its actual broadcast where people thought Daima looked horrible and then they had to pretend to like it.People pretending to like that atrocious Xenoverse 3 character design.And you can see why this one got more shit, it's because people here do believe Toriyama didn't design this, or they think Horii is lying about him designing it, they want to already craft an excuse for why they don't like it, because people feel some weird attachment to Toriyama like they can't dishonor him, it's fucking odd.
>>739701367>see a character with white skin>immediately imagine that your wife is getting fucked by black guys and birthing their kids, and that you want to salvage the relationship by talking to herAre all culture warriors like this?
>>739707489Toriyama spent so many years drawing cool characters he seems to have grown sick of them and decided to actively avoid anything that looks cool (read: masculinely appealing) after DBZ endedPokemon has a policy like that, some years ago in an interview they said they make sure not to make any pokemon design too 'cool' now because that might alienate girls or some shit
>>739707721Yes
>>739706291Truke
>>739701241you whites have lost the plot.
>>739680963>in their sleepwhy use "their" for someone who's obviously gendered... unless...?
>>739707393Half true people just like toriyama art from a very specific period of like 1990 to 1995pic pre-1990 toriyama artwork, no one cares for the chibi style DQ3 for example.
>>739707661I don't care for MR. 1000 but I have friends that do. I've simply grown used to later Toriyama art and know that late DBZ stuff isn't really the standard and hasn't been for over 30 years. I think some of his designs are shit and he forgot how to draw anyone with worthwhile muscle (ie Super concepts), but a man is a man, not a god or a Jesus Christ. Like, he stopped wanting to do straightforward action shonen designs and everything became rounder, leaner, comedic. Can't really fault the guy because it seemed until Battle of the Gods and Daima, he was massively checked out on a lot of DB stuff.
They need to go back to celshading, the "HIRE THIS MAN" 3D looks god awful
>>739680815>Pink Hair Bulma>>739680963>Super Hero Arc UubDone.
>>739707904stop paying attention, some of us don't want to face reality.
>>739707904They aren't human, they're a lizard
>>739707661it's a mixed bag. I think some stuff is pretty good like all the designs in DBS Broly were pretty good, but alot of the Tournament of Power was pretty bad design wise. Toriyama's best stuff was early DB/Slump for sure
>>739707928dude i love this artstyle.
>>739707957Lizards have genders too, numbnuts
>>739707928>people just like toriyama art from a very specific period of like 1990 to 1995Sure, but that's also what Yamamuro's style is, and what he exaggerated in the films and anime.
>>739708013asexual lizards exist
>>739707928Anime styles across the board hit a perfect sweet spot right around that time, but none of the artists realized it and they overextended, ruining their own appeal by the 2000s and never knowing why
>>739708013you dont know shit about lizards you faggot
>>739708140>I'm a faggot who only consumes anime through twitter aesthetic accounts
>>739680963why do bro look sleepy lol
>>739680963NAFRI coded.
its fucking over, it will be endless brown zoomers with stupid haircuts from here on out.
>>739708589I'd be tired if sleep turned me into a lizard too
>>739708476I was watching fandubbed tapes before you were an itch in your daddy's nutsack
>>739708687>I was a tasteless retard so THEREAhuh
>>739708045True. Toriyama spend most of his like drawing either chibi dudes or lanky stick dyel guys. I dunno why he like it so much. I guess he just liked the juxtapostion probably. His whole sthick was always drawing little kids that could beat up Kenshiro.Even into beginning of Z Goku is still small looking compared to his adversary like Raditz, Vegeta is small compared to Nappa. Friezas forms of going from buff to lean small smooth guy. Really that period where he draw realistic portioned characters with musculature appropriate for what they were doing was a very small part of his career. After that and GT ended, and I guess pressure wasn't on hi to draw things a certain way, he went to making everyone as dyel as possible. Man remember when Battle of Gods came out and people got a glimpse of how toriyama had been designing characters for the past 15 years when he made Goku SSJG form a twink?
9BROS!
not gonna pretend that i'm a fan of the series, butwouldn't it just be better to conclude it now that two of the three big forces behind it have died?wouldn't that be less embarrassing?
>>739707861>Pokemon has a policy like that, some years ago in an interview they said they make sure not to make any pokemon design too 'cool' now because that might alienate girls or some shitclearly that isn't true seeing as we just came off the generation that gave us the Charcadet line, Palafin, Dondozo, King Gambit and Ursaluna Blood Moon.
>>739708803what if we become corvus
>>739708803that isn't even close the same layout what the fuckA blue church, which is series standard, and a waterfall does not mean the same town
>>739708803my dad works for squeenix and says 12 will feature optional online multiplayer and grotto grinding
>>739708897>t might alienate girlshow do you even do that
>>739708803ehhhhhhh really doesn't look the same much at all, theres only so many ways a place like this is gonna be laid out after all
>>739708803MC being indian is more plausible than this.
>>739708818now this isn't quite the case for DQXII because they still have some of the work of Toriyama and Sugiyama but I think It's fine to hand off a staple franchise/IP to the next generation of devs. Imagine if Disney retired mickey mouse once walt keeled over
>>739709041ask any anon here they probably have a story of them doing exactly that LMAO
>>739708897Sugimori famously copied toriyama early on, toriyama may have had a similar opinion but his editors at SJ wrangled him into drawing moneymakers instead
Are they going to speak with that godawful core blimey accent?
>>739680963That looks like shit.
>>739709274Oi mate yeah blimy
>>739680963he's defintely related too ashlynn since he transform into some dragon.
They should just let the series die if this is the shit they're coming up with. Let it go for a couple of years and let the team work on a different franchise, maybe they'll get their shit back together then.
>>739709590Thanks time traveler
that symbol on his belt looks familiar.
How do the mobileslops look so much better than the mainline
>>739709724mobile is where the money is made, mainline is where the esg funding is secured.
>>739709724Only because you're sea and can't afford a real video game
>>739709724something tells me the MC from Flames of Fate was transferred into Smash/Grow.
>>739709671every time
>>739709838The Smash/Grow MCs are just generic Hero outfit with a nicer hairdo
>>739709769>esg>Environmental, Social, and Governancefor fuck's sake who keeps coming up with these terms. nobody wants DEI. and nobody wants political shit in their games.
>>739709843I mean you'd be right if you had any basis to claim it was shit, but DQXI was perfectly fine and this just looks like it but again. claiming the entire game will be bad because you don't like the MC's design is insane
>>739709915waiting a decade for a sequel to "fine" doesn't cut it anymore
>>739685725I’m just glad John Highguard’s getting work
>>739680963honestly... i kinda like it.
>>739709843It's fucking dragon quest nigger. If you play one you played them all. This is the most consistent unchanging Japanese rpg series it is
>>739709968and now you're a time traveler from the past, this is just the way things are now. but waiting awhile for a game that's just good doesn't mean it's shit.
>>739709986>This is the most consistent unchanging Japanese rpg series it isThen why did they initially try to change it so much with 12???
>>739709968The gap between 9 and 11 was almost as long.>inb4 dq10We never got 10 translated officially.
>>739710063maybe we will once they finish the main story and compile the whole thing.
>>739710052Because even they realized "MUH DQ FORMULA" doesn't work anymore. But SE is a mismanaged shitshow and the investors are putting in the pressure, so they have to shit something out ASAP to get those stocks up.
>>739710153>they realized "MUH DQ FORMULA" doesn't work anymore.What?DQ11 is the best selling game in the whole series
>>739710232>game that was rereleased in every platform under the sun has more salesdamm, you're one of the smart ones huh
>>739710232which means its the perfect jumping off point for woke dragon quest, john highguard edition.
>>739708183No give a shit that fucking design is awful.
>>739680963yall mental, new hero is fine.
>>739710302cope
>>739680815ugh where is my grimdark dragon quest
>>739710302literally every DQ game since DQXI S (remember DQXI vanilla was PS4/PC/3DS) has been a multiplat with ports to every platform available anon, and none have sold as well.
>>739710052They tried that with 9 at first, too.https://youtu.be/3Yu0E2Fn8Pk?t=75They wanted it to be a co-op action RPG, but by the time it actually released, it ended up becoming turn-based that just happened to have co-op. Some bean counter in there is worried that straying too far from series roots is detrimental. But honestly, unless it somehow actually fails in sales, I don't mind it; we have so many RPGs that ONE of them continuing to be traditional isn't a problem to me unless it's actually pigeonholing what devs want to do.
>>739706647this was the best dq protag design, prove me wrong
>>739710685>devs want to doso tired of this, most devs don't give a shit. Its a job and likely one they loathe, the creatives or higher ups make all the decisions and they are almost always fucking retards who just want to show off their oh so special personality that entirely consists of them being fucking faggots.
>>739710302are you retarded?
>>739710907NTA but "devs" usually refers to the game designer(s) and creative team as well, not just the codemonkeys
>>739710549Retro remasters never outperform modern new games in the same series
>>739711010yeah, it's short for game developer, not software developer
MC and the girl feel like they're street rats and were probably reused from when the game was supposed to be "mature." Honestly the MC seems more like a side character than an MC to me. Would be better if he had raggy hair and a better shirt imo
>>739710785>turban like a sandnigger>stick like a healbitchNope
concerning that squeenix just took 5 years to pivot development on their golden goose. I was looking forward to seeing what they would do to evolve it
>>739693165Toriyama died before they restructured and restarted development.This isnt his work but they will tell you it is, thats why they said "more information later" because they are replacing him and the composure this time around but cant tell you yet out of fear.
>>739711149>Toriyama died before they restructured and restarted development.All signs indicate that restructuring occurred in 2023, before he died.>This isnt his work but they will tell you it isIt very obviously is if you've actually engaged with his work beyond watching anime he never worked on. >thats why they said "more information later" because they are replacing him and the composure this time around but cant tell you yet out of fear.They've had other artists headline DQ before retard. They were very open about the remakes of 1-3 all using Fenyo's art, and the DQM game revealed at this same event is obviously not using Toriyama's art.
>>739711149>game used to be edgier>MC is a tired looking tanned gladiator type in a game with extremely bright and vibrant visualsI dunno man it seems like the opposite of what you described happened, Toriyama designed the characters with the old plot and theme in mind and now they're retrofitting those designs into the new game because they can't exactly call on Toriyama to redesign the characters
>>7397111490% chance they're not going to use his final designs, come on. you really think the creaky old men running the studio are going to throw away the remnants of their friend who had been with them from day one? no fucking way, they will force every last scrap of it into the game, no matter how ill-fitting it is
>>739709838probably right
>>739711347business has no place for dead friends
>>739711149Toriyama designed the characters before he died. These are most likely leftovers from when DQ12 was supposed to be flames of fate. But since the man is dead now it's not like they could ask him to redo the artwork
>>739700213Toriyama has only really done initial art for the main party since DQ8. He's not even the primary character designer or art director, never was.
>>739708818No. Now that they're dead they might be able to actually make it good.
>>739707506Shit, these do look better
>>739711470does this look to you like the economy of a bunch of coldhearted pragmatists
>>739711478Honestly besides some of the auxiliary cast members, 90% of designs in DQ have been reused for these 40 years anyway. It's probably why main characters have been such a touchy subject, since they reflect a new era of design standing side by side with assets that have been reused and designs that have been around for so long.
>>739711304>Toriyama designed the characters with the old plot and theme in mind and now they're retrofitting those designs into the new game because they can't exactly call on Toriyama to redesign the charactersI don't believe this idea that's being spread around a lot. The darkest DQ games didn't exactly have "fitting" protagonists. Like, I'd say IV, V, and VII are the 'darkest' games and their protagonists are>a boy in his pajamas OR a slut>Gohan>an ugly shotaNone of them scream that their games will be about the deaths of entire villages or watching your father die in front of you and becoming a slave to the people who killed them.Really, the fact that the MC has pretty tired eyes and the game seems to have a real world / dream world concept (if the connection between him and the lizard dragon guy are real) implies that this design was specific to this version of the game, since that's the base concept of it.
>>739681862Now I want to fuck this twink even more
>>739680815Why does it look worse than XI?
>>739703984Fucking kek
>>739711657why do you still play video games when you clearly dont care about them anymore.
>>739682683Fuck you, nobody would have bought edgy DQ
>>739688817Kek. That is my fav DQ. Beat it on NES many times. Rented it from a store that was closing down and never returned it
>>739693307Oh no, my bikini warrior slut is wearing shorts instead of a thong
>>739680963>beset by nightmares >looks tired ...
>>739712136wow that sounds gay as hell, why not just play the original
>>739711728I don't still play videogames I only talk about them
>>739693307>OH NO I CANT JACK OFF TO CARTOON CHARACTERS ANYMORE WAAAAHH!
>>739700747DEI has benefitted more whites than blacks. So, yes.
>>739711503because the lead artist and composer were REALLY the ones holding the game back and also i have a perfectly AVERAGE PENIS, JANET! STOP LAUGHING AT ME!
>redditor is having a meltdown ITT
>some anons are doom posting DQ of all seriesWhy? This series never had an outright bad/messy game like FF has had multiple times. Yes, the loss of Sugimura and Toriyama may negatively impact the presentation but Horii is still around.
>>739711573They're not dark in aesthetic at all thoughdark can mean many things and honestly no dq thus far has been dark V is the closest but even then it's not dark it's more just like mc life sucks.
Uh oh melty
>>739712618Maybe it's just FF tourists wanting to shitpost about something from Square Enix, so they're targeting this.
>>739712618tourists who think /v/ is only about shitting on every upcoming release
>>739712618The lost of those two means dragon quest is already dead spiritually, what remains is a name.
>>739712759"tourist" means "completely correct" now?
>>739712708>Maybe it's just FF tourists wanting to shitpost about something from Square EnixWouldn't be surprising. I was trying to talk about DQ in the other thread that hit bump limit and 90% of the replies were about FF and 5 % of the replies were 2 anons both accusing each other of being "schizophrenic kikes"
>>739712819>Completely correctif you repeat the same thing over and over for every release you'll eventually get one right, but you lads have a much larger miss rate than hit.
>bro why aren't you excited to play muhammed quest?????
>>739712618i think the censorship schizos latched on to it years ago and never left
>>739712896You say as if ANY positive thread isn't met with "shill" and "buy an ad". /v/ is doomposting, shitflinging, and politics.
>>739704470Sold really well on the two consoles the resident schizos in this very thread seethe about relentlessly
>>739711728You mean the realtime combat?
>>739712812Major designs and major music is probably already done, even with a reboot I could totally see them repurposing a lot of media on the table.Hell, it's a matter of honor, you simply CANNOT throw away designs and music made by people who died during the project, you gotta use everything no matter what. I know Horii would be that type of person as well.
>>739712618>>739712708>>739712759Because it's fucking ugly and this is the worst design for a hero ever, you dumb cunts.
>>739712812Sugiyama was dead inside long before he died. The soundtrack of XI was notoriously running on fumes.
>>739711728>Just consumeOk nigger
>>739712618They've also never canned development 5 years into production and started over either.
>>739713067i think it's pretty good
>>739713067>fucking uglylooks fine outside of the MC, who's design isn't even the worst in the franchise. he's 3rd, with 7 being the worst, and 11 being 2nd place.
>>739713073This. DQ11's ost was him phoning it in hard. His heart wasn't in it anymore at that point I pray his successor does a better job
>>739713067donald trumpet haha
>>739713067>worst design for a heroThat still goes to DQ7's mc.
>>739713106I doubt the game was that close to actually being done if they decided to toss it. Not like they're against turning something into a spinoff i.e. Treasures was supposed to be Monsters 3
>>739705117The moment the game was announced as not being exclusive this was always going to be the result. Frankly, I've been hard the entire day. Feels good to see the barriertribe eat shit, and it's not even Thursday yet
>>739713135what the hell, why is trunks jr catching strays?
Horii never said anything about 'mature' or 'dark' or 'edgy' which were just mistranslations. He said "ちょっと大人向け" which implies that it was just aimed at adults instead of teens/kids.https://news.denfaminicogamer.jp/kikakuthetower/230626bWhatever it was before the redevelopment, it looks like it was the wrong move anyway.
>>739712618No other DQ had a development process like this either though to be fair >>739712708though yes pretty much all bad talk about dq for years now is FFfags that want a chance to shitpost about Square without caring or knowing anything about DQ. Most of them literally don't even know DQ isn't made in house. So they just spout random FF Square drama and think it applies in the same way to DQ. You will see two paragraph long posts about FF in DQ threads because people just dont know enough about dq to actually talk about it. Talk about X will have a number of posts talking about FFXIV because no one plays X and thats the closest reference point they have to it
>>739712618I wouldn’t say I’m dooming, but I do think that a huge problem the game will run into is fact that they’re using designs and music from when this was supposed to be a darker game, there will be a good chunk of things that just don’t fit right. This game will most likely turn out fine, but it’s going to have a lot of a “what could have been” moments. What could have been if they stuck with the original idea, what could have been if they didn’t waste those years with the original idea and get stuck with its scraps
>>739713280So seinen instead of shonen, really. That could be simply a more mature focus on older cast and events, or something as extreme as the tonal whiplash the Zelda Twilight Princess manga version gives compared to the game.
>>739680815>Uub Blanco>Bulma Rosa>Jiren Verde Con CuernosYep, it's gonna be peak
>>739713278his outfit just isn't very good. I like the design once you get the hero outfit in the endgame though.
>>739713387Yeah, I don't think he would've taken it as far as FF15 -> FF16 in terms of "adult oriented" but probably something simple like making the entire cast adults and the problems that come with being adults or whatever, which honestly sounds wrong for a DQ game anyway.
>>739713461>Uub Blancodon't you dare try to pass off that indian looking fuck as a Blanco
>>739707339The only real DQ leak was the one from last year correctly stating DQ VII remake was the next game because it's ready (Horii even said so when asked about possible Zenithian remakes like two months before VIIR released) and that DQ XII was in development hell and would be re-revealed this year. This was a post made on this board last year, whoever finds it gets bragging rights.
>>739712975Some posts are threads about videogames that have animals, but then you click on the thread because you liked the game and it's all furries posting porn.
>>739701241not even close faggot
>>739713135>looks fine outside of the MCExcept it's fucking double ugly because not only is the MC hideous but he has an ugly fursona too. That's 2 out of the 3 designs we've seen! What the fuck do you mean it looks fine!
so much art of him and the DQ5 girls already
>>739713717>What the fuck do you mean it looks fine!do you think the MC is the only thing to look at? the environments and girl character look fine.
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>>739712673They actually are I'd say. DQIV no, but V and VII, definitely, they're dark games and dark in aesthetic, but that idea that XII would be "dark in aesthetic" doesn't exist in reality. All they said was that XII would be darker, and when they said that, the last "dark" DQ had been released over 20 years ago. But like, DQV has pretty dark areas too, its take on a darkworld in particular, but there's also the temple, there's the fucking slave camp, the place the prince gets kidnapped too is some dingy shitty empty dungeon, and there's things like your hometown being destroyed when you come back.Or in VII, the big one there is the first area which is just depressing, but what's really depressing is the town where you can't save it, you can save one person but everyone else is already dead and you see their corpses almost literally rotting. Lots of tragic stuff there, and it is dark.
>>739713784damn they bleached his ass instantlyhe looks more emo like that, kinda cool in a way.
>>739713887gotta distance from the immediate indian narrative.
>>739713106>They've also never canned development 5 years into production and started over either.That's not what happened.The original XII likely got canned two years into production at most. Do you think they made that trailer today? Is that what you fucking think?
>Lived to see a DQ protag with zoomer hairNo good thing lasts forever, I guess
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>>739713280I never even saw any outlets say edgy, that's just bullshit made up by people here. Everywhere I saw that talked about it in English said "mature" or "adult" Same shit with how so much discussion on here is just talking about wholly made up bullshit about the battle system being changed to action when that was never said even a little bit at all. People really just make up whatever they want about this series. Multiple times today I've seen people say that "the series was cancelled because they were going for a western audience with Flames of Fate and because Final Fantasy flopped (again, see >>739713282)" but I've also seen multiple times that "they're changing the series to chase the western audience now"I've seen people say the old game was horii's idea and it's changed now because square enix strong armed him out of doing a mature game to make more of the same. And people have also been saying the exact opposite, that flames of fate was forced upon him because Square Enix wanted game to be more like FF and now they don't anymore.
>>739713784>>739713858arent artists ashamed of drawing fanart of a character where they know nothing of their canon personality due to the IP in question not being released yet in an official capacity
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>>739713887Japs bleach the fuck out of tanned characters, they did the same for the new fire emblem as well iirc
>>739713972this dude is getting progressively whiter in all this fanart, he will eventually just be a glowing white orb.
>>739712618I'll tell you why this is happening: Because it's clearly not PS exclusive anymore like it clearly was when first revealed as flames of fate
>>739714037no, why would anyone be ashamed of that
>>739713964You haven't seen Toriyama designs a whole lot, have youLike the side buzz is the most zoomer part but weird and eccentric hair is nothing new for his designs
>>739682683kill yourself asap
>>739704768They got the number 2 part right LMAO!
>>739714073>he thinks the game was ever planned to be an exclusivemodern day console war posters are some of the dumbest people on this webzone
take a gamble
Should I buy DQ12 on release or are they going to make a DQ12 XXX DIGITAL DELUXE EXCLUSIVE MASTER EDITION ULTIMATE VERSION that I should wait for?
>>739714021I saw people theorize that they changed the tone of the game to be more similar to other dragon quest games because of toriyama and sugiyama’s death. The timeline fits and even if that’s not what happened it’s a nice theory
DQ threads are probably the saddest threads on the board because once you know it becomes very obvious whose who.One side is people who have never played a DQ but pretend to have played one to do normal /v/ posting stuff (doomposting, concern trolling, GG posting, etc.)And the other side are some retards from the general trying to put the flames out, not knowing that without said flames there wouldn't be any DQ threads on /v/
>>739714037Its a drawing anon. You can like how a character looks without knowing a single other thing.
>>739714116ok retard
>>739714265I imagine launch will be fine, only reason they had to demake XI was because the switch didn't support the version of UE they made XI for originally.
>>739712618>a decade will fully go by before we have another mainline game>development restarted which spells a lot of worry about wrong expectations about what people really want rather than pandering to current year fads>latest mainline games of other franchises from square have been a total disasterI'm a huge DQ fanboy and I'm feeling negative about all this. At least we will have another monster game, and the remasters were great. But i don't blame people not putting too much faith in current SE with how they are managing the mainline games. It feels like all of their creativity and love went to spin offs and remasters and the mainline ones are cursed with too much ambition and greed. Sit the fuck down, lower the scope of your games and take a look back what's making your spin off selling.
>>739680815MC looks kind of meth (i know what i said) so i don´t really like him but i apreciate they kept the Toriyama style. Hopefully they kept the combat system as well.
>>739701241Man Wilds was such a fucking dogshit story. No wonder it sucks ass for a MH game too. The director is a fucking dumbass.
>>739714076You're asking that to a 4chan shitposter, you know he's been ashamed of who he is his whole life and can't accept other people are somewhat happy with who they are
>>739714325This guy looks so shit in modern style.
>>739714341didnt the DQ11 deluxe edition add content? and isnt it impossible to buy the original DQ11 on any platform?
>>739714325Well 12's hero does look more like a side party member rather than the hero himself, but the design isn't out of line with Toriyama.
>>739714350A lot of tells in this post but>It feels like all of their creativity and love went to spin offs and remasters and the mainline ones are cursed with too much ambition and greed. Sit the fuck down, lower the scope of your games and take a look back what's making your spin off selling.There is not a single "DQ fan" saying any of that.The remakes are pretty widely resented and haven't sold well at all for one, the only current remake people are positive on is 2 MAYBE, and none of the spinoffs have been well received recently. I genuinely don't know what could've been meant by this and have to assume this is a copypasta.
>>739714150It's okay if you want to believe otherwise, I won't punch down
>>739714468The same can be said of VI, VII, and XI honestly.
>>739714472>the remakes are widely resentedThe only disliked one is 7R
>>739714472the hd2d remakes are pretty well liked everywhere that isn't /v/ bitching and pissing and moaning about changed designs and localization
DQ sticking to its roots instead of raping itself to pander to an audience that doesnt exist is in fact a very good thing.They almost had a Final Fantasy moment and that shits fucking dead now.Also this might sound a bit extreme but I dont want the series to continue when Horii quits or dies.
>>739714464>didnt the DQ11 deluxe edition add content?yeah and some QoL stuff like decoupling costumes from equipped gear, but the new stuff is generally not very good and I consider it a negative addition. >and isnt it impossible to buy the original DQ11 on any platform?that I'm not too sure about, I do know they delisted the original from steam but you might still be able to get it on PS4.
Should I get Heroes 2?Have been waiting a long time for a sale, but I don't think it will ever get discounted. I like musou games
>>739714539No?3 got a ton of shit for being censored and cutting content from the last remakes of it while also not really adding anything substantial in return (unless you enjoy retcons that remove what little pathos the story had). And 1 got a lot of shit for making the game a pretty bad linear RPG that feels more like a prologue to DQ2 than its own game.>>739714594See above.
>>739714472The Erdrick remakes were announced today to have sold more than 4 million copies total. That's more than Rebirth and XVI did, by the way
>>739714659Fun fact: over 3 million of that is just DQ3.
>>739714601I'm willing to give the new devs a game or two to see if they can deliver games of similar quality.
>>739714659Like each one individually sold more than 4 million or they all did together?
>>739714712Funny how DQ3, a 2d pixelshit remake, outsold the remake of the greatest game of all time and the super mature m rated final fantasy which DQ XII was going to take after originally.
>>739714791It's altogether because I&II didn't actually sell that much.
>>739714816It only sold that much because of Japan. It sold basically nothing overseas.
>>7397143254 is so fucking cool
>>739714826I hate when companies combine multiple games into one to make the number seem bigger, I get why they do it but it pisses off my autism still
>>739714816>pixelshitDo you not like games with pixel graphics?
>>739714504VII sureVI maybeXI nah
>>739715021VI isn't a maybe, it's literally. VI's protagonist wasn't the protagonist during the initial concept phase, Terry's design was the original design.
I feel like VI catches unwarranted shit downwind from the contrarian hate for DB/Z (and every millennial anime) because he looks the most like a Saiyan I have never heard any objective criticism of this design at all.
>>739715151Terry was demoted because he DIDN'T look like a protagonist, so they replaced him with someone who did.
>>739715292I don't love the orange monk robe kind of thing under the jacket but his design is fine otherwise. 4 is probably my least favorite of the classic Heroes, I hate his crown so much.
>>739715505Male 4's kinda bland but that might just be my lust for leotards talking
>>739714637Once again, the only remake that's as hated as you're trying to imply is 7R.
>>7397155056 had a sort of arabian / near eastern thing going on so I always thought the Hare Krishna robe was part of that
>not a single remotely fanservicey female in sight>going to have canon faggot relationships>still absolutely zero confirmation if turn based is still in or notAnd with this line that's basically the last red flag for me.God, squeenix has their balls in a vice grip. So much for what used to be Japan's beloved video game IP made for the Japanese, now it's sterilized and cultivated specifically for western troons who hated the series and how icky gross yucky Japanese-y it was.It's all so fucking tiresome.
>>739712136>>739712368/co/trannies need to hang themselves
>>739715818Why do you LARP
>>739715818>inventing gays to be mad at remember when you fags used to mock sjws for making things up to get mad at
>>739715949Not an argument faggot>>739715997>literally gave in to western homo's demands for DQ11Being dismissive and pretending like this didn't happen, holy fuck. CONSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>739715818>not a single remotely fanservicey female in sightDesign-wise the girl looks fanservicey enough. Not Meena/Maya levels, but still decent.
>>739716035you are so desperate for negative attention it is embarrassing.
>>739716050She has no tits
>>739716050ZOMG?! BARE ARMS?!?!>not meena/maya levels, but still decentThe absolute state, literal battered wife-esque that this is what is considered """""fanservice""""" now.Holy fuck>>739716124No, I'm desperate for Japan to stop cucking to westerners. Good job completely dodging what I mentioned about DQ11 since it shits all over your handwaving faggotryConcession accepted
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>>739716195KEK
>>739715818Sorry your fantasy (heh) of the ps5 being miraculously saved in Japan will remain just that, a fantasy
>>739716172Erm sorry, she showed 1.14181 centimeters of navel, so it's basically porn or something>>739716280>consoleshittery out of nowhereConsoletroons enable the western pozzification of series like this, I'd love nothing more than to see them all die off
>>739716193More like I mean that she's an attractive character.Hell we had characters like pic-related before in the year 2000, which if it had been a 2026 design you would call a burka or something.
>>739715818>crying this hard when dq girl designs have always lean mostly to being clothed Kill yourself faggot. You'd cry if Bianca was shown off today
>>739716705DQ threads are tourist season ever since the torishima interview.
>>739716562Oh, so not ugly = "fanservice" now, so the bar is even fucking lower than I thought.Jesus fucking Christ>strawmanningPathetic.>>739716705>abloobloobloo>STILL dodging what I said about DQ11 because his handwaving trannery was BTFOCan't wait to quote you when the game releases and they have canon faggot relationship choices between the MC and this fucker. You'll still find some way to do mental gymnastics and say it's ACKchully a good ting for the series>>739716871Nah, that interview exposed all the tourists who defend localization and western involvement in the game design process, because they cried out "M-MISTRANSLATED" when he admitted they have to bend the knee to the west all the fucking time.Cope faggot.
>>739716931no you don't get it, you can only be a true fan if you suck off the people who are forcing changes onto the thing you supposedly enjoy.
>>739717302Yep, I just can't wait for next entry in game! Mindless consuming is totally heckin' good for the industry!
