>AIIEEEE WE HAVE TO RESHUFFLE THE TEAM AND RESET DEVELOPMENTIt's no wonder this shit company is dying
>>739681164Square Enix's inability to develop games in a timely manner is literally killing all of their franchises. DQ, FF and KH have fallen out of the cultural zeitgeist because of games taking too long. They need to prioritize pumping out games on a 2-3 year basis, I don't care how many assets they reuse just make some fucking video games.
>>739681164Theyre lucky theres no prior gam4play trailer to dq 12
>>739681257I also blame their terrible localization department that makes me avoid their company like a plague.
>>739681164I was honestly hyped for DQ12 and see what they could actually do when they tried something different for once but nope just same bland shit we've got for thirty years straight nice move retards.
>>739681257>DQ, FF and KH have fallen out of the cultural zeitgeist because of games taking too long.This is partially the reason why FF adults continuously hype up the turn based titles and constantly begging for a new FF7-10 of yesteryear. SE has been fumbling on title releases for the past 2 decades and as such has not allowed a new culture of FF fans to develop. Think about it, do you see anyone declaring FF13-16 to be their favorite 'era' of titles? Think about the release cadence of those titles. 2009, 2016, 2025. Entire generations of gamers have come and went in the time between each of those fucking releases. It's no wonder SE has a largely boomer fanbase crying for the oldies to come back, they don't have any attachment for these new titles because they release too few inbetween and have zero relevance when they drop.
>>739682360I mean its not just SE tons of series are taking over a decade to get new releases nowadays I mean were going 15 years already for TES6 and GTA6 took 13 years dev times are just becoming obscenely long to the point you're at a whole different stage in your life between sequels for older series now.
>>739683034TES and GTA are evergreen series that continuously make money either through ports in Skyrim's case or GTA Online in GTA5's case. FF16 and Rebirth had run their course by the time they were ported to PC. SE can't afford to sit on one title for a decade like Bethesda and Rockstar.
>FFXVI is the only AAA game SE has developed in almost three decades without going over budget or over schedule
>>739683424For as much as I hate YoshiP's design sense, he must be a generational technical manager. It's a shame SE is creatively fucked, the only workable classic concepts seem to come out of Team Asano and they're shackled to HD-2D for some reason.
>>739683424Yet there are still 7 years gap between 15 and 16 release date, almost a full console generation.
>>739683424XVI started in 2014 and released in 2023. Almost as long as XV for 1/5 of it sales
>>739684280>chase le GOT and Witcher dark fantasy trend when its hot>game take so long to come out its already dated by release and everyone is tired of that shitgotta love how they keep shooting themselves in the foot
>>739683424Rebirth was made in like 3 years and is their best game since Kingdom Hearts 2
You will see square die in your lifetime
>>739681164DQ12 was going to become a le grimdark and edgy real time action slopfest. Thank fuck they didn't pull the same mistake as FF did.
>>739682360Not sure what you're implying but turn-based still sell well, and I doubt only boomers bought Expedition 33Square Enix is simply retarded and catering to dumb westerner normies with movieshit garbage, and that is why they are failing miserably
>>739681913theres literally nothing wrong with its localization, its very professional. you're just a paranoid chud who doesnt speak japanese
>>739681164Will they go for three in a row with KH4's development?
Square has been bad for about 20 years nowthere will be no redemption arc, give it up already
>>739684948Isnt the problem with fucking 16 is that it's ONLY grimdark in the beginning? The game never capture the same atmosphere again when you and your troops got ambushed in the prologue.
I believe its correct course change after the flop that was FF16. Dark action games aren't as popular anymore.
>>739683320It doesn't help that their modern movieshit corridor simulator also has ZERO replay value
>>739685264Yep its this. They saw how badly FF7demake part 2 did. This will be the teams final game anyways since Hori will be done. Anything after is zoomers and contractors trying to make DQ and 13 will be the shitty action game.
>>739681164FF7 Remake too. At first it was developed by CyberConnect then they had to scrap everything and restart from scratch.
>>739681257Two solutions to this:1. Drop the Hollywood budgets and make a smaller game, a la Sandfall2. Milk existing franchises to death with endless spinoffs and collabs, a la AtlusThey can pick one of the two but they can't expect people to still give a shit about their games when they take literally 10+ years to make with NOTHING in between. SE is going to bankrupt themselves.
>>739683424Fantasian with a higher budget would have been an FFX-tier success.
>>739687103It really wouldn't.
>>739687103It really would
>>739687393The protagonist is actually a pretty strongly written and engaging character. And him visually looking like Male2B is for what it's worth, in his favour. The girls are all excellent. The robot is rad. The kid cool. The old man is cool. The bishi man and his story is cool. And the gameplay and the world at large is awesome. It's awesome to explore it and how the world changes over the course of the game. And the challenges the game offers are also intense. And it's cool how the game actually uses the entire party when you battle. Even if you can only deploy a few of them at a time, swapping them in or out mid-battle. Game is incredible. A true FF game. Unlike the games that Square have made as of late under the FF banner that are supposedly FF games.
Final Fantasy desperately needs a "back to basics" entry. Black Mages and chocobos and shit. Job system. ATB. All the classic elements. Re establish what makes Final Fantasy great and its own unique identity instead of chasing trends.
>>739688465>Final Fantasy desperately needs a "back to basics" entryThat was FFXVI and people were bored to death the entire time
>>739687768Then why isn't it a success on it's own merits? Does it need "Final Fantasy" slapped on the front to attain cultural relevance or something?
>>739688534The FUCK it was. XVI is absolutely nothing like classic Final Fantasy.
>>739688534are you mentally disabled? honest question
>>739683424ff16 went over budget, over schedule and cancelle the ps4 version and changed engines mid dev, it was initially supposed to release in 2021 but was delayed to 2023ff16 started in 2015 and was initially on ue4 for 2 years, cancelled that version, restarted on ff14 engine then moved to a modified ff14 engine with PBR added in 2018, then they cancelled the ps4 versionwhen it was announced in 2020 they were still making it for ps4, they just didn't announce it and then they quietly cancelled itff16 took 9 years to make under 1 dev team and they cut out 2/3rds of the game, it was supposed to be a clive/dion/joshua game with equal gameplay routes for each, and the final boss had all the summons being summoned at once, ff16 is incomplete and its dev team was full of incompetence>>739683773no he's literally worse than anyone
>>739688534XVI is the least FF FF to ever be created
>>739688584>XVI is absolutely nothing like classic Final Fantasy.>Overworld map>Chocobos>Classic defeat god with power of friendship plot>Job system interwoven with summon system to add some flavorIn all the ways it mattered it was a classic Final Fantasy title and it fucking bombed. Face it, anon. If FFs 1-6 were made today they would barely be a blip on the radar because tastes have largely changed.>inb4 B-BUT MUH EXPEDITION 33It made good sales for a studio of it's size, but it would be considered a commercial failure to Square Enix.
>>739688534>That was FFXVIthe fuck it wasffxv is more back to basics ff than anything xvi shat out>plopped in the open world straight away after given an order from the king, prologue ends with the 4 warrior overlooking their city from the hill only in 15 its inversed with the city destroyed from afar>ifrit literally on chaos throne at the end of the game and ardyn is from 2000 years ago and ancient super civilisation of "sky" people, aka caelum from 2000 years ago>15s main royalty being the caelums chosen 2000 years agomeanwhile 16 has no party, no rpg anything and is just a bunch of corridors followed by snoymovie game sequences
>>739688925>but it would be considered a commercial failure to Square Enix.kek, SE would kill to sell 8 million most of the time
>>739681974I don't think you've ever played a Dragon Quest game.
>>739688925has no overworldff16 wasnt going to have chocobo and only did so because a female producer told yoshitpiss people would get mad if it didnt, they were going to have only horses in ff16 before that, so chocobo in ff16 is literally against yoshitpisses vision and only a result of a compromise on his endthat isn't a typical ff plot at allhas no job systemhas no rpg systemhas no partyyou cant even use phoenix downs in ff16 how is it a fucking ff
>>739689175>>739688925hell you cant even SUMMON any summons in ff16 despite it being about the summons
>>739688925>Overworld mapYou're a dumb motherfucker already if you think XIV's """""""""Overworld""""""" functions anything like classic Final Fantasy>classic "defeat god with the power of friendship" plotXVI's plot is absolutely nothing like a classic FF plot. There is basically zero levity at any point.>Job system interwoven into summonsAbsolutely fucking not. Holy hell you're retarded.
>>739688572>Then why isn't it a success on it's own merits?For being a Mistwalker game it has sold a ton. "Success" is obviously relative to what scale it is being graded on. But yes the game could have easily been way more successful than it was. For one it lost tons of good will and success from having been stuck on ios and mobile for so long. The core audiences for these games, broadly speaking, have quite the aversion towards phone games. Justifiably so or not. But also, related to the phone platform. Its visuals, while not bad per se, are clearly reflected by the phone platform the game was developed on. Which might have suited the game's budget, admittedly. But there are no doubts that being on a real videogames platform would have by itself given the game a substantially improved reception compared to the reception the game actually got. And higher budget visuals would have also given the game significantly better media coverage and notoriety among the casuals or nerds who care about visuals a lot. >Does it need "Final Fantasy" slapped on the front No it doesn't. And I didn't say it did. I said that if the game had been invested more into, it would have been an FFX-tier success. The game is actually rather reminiscent of FFX in quite a few number of ways in general, while still feeling like a very distinct product. But it'd also be stupid to claim that the FF brand wouldn't have massively boosted the game's success. A brand name can't make a shit game into a good game. But it certainly can amplify a good game's reception if the quality was already there. In this case, the quality is there. Fantasian is fucking incredible and fans of FF should absolutely play it.
>>739689315If this is all it takes to make a successful Final Fantasy, why isn't Rebirth more popular?
>>739681257>because of games taking too longAs well as being forgettable. 11 is mediocre and 10 is a fake game.
>>739689501Because it's the second part of a giant bait and switch FF7 KH alternate timeline/dimension reboot that scammed people into thinking it was an actual remake and people weren't buying the second one after getting burned the first time around.
>>739689501sequel to part 1 of a remake on a different platform that 90% of people played the first part of the remake onrebirth only sold to people who A: had a PS5 andB: had played FF7RNot one or the other but bothFF7Ri sold 1.5m on PS5, so rebirth selling 2m~ at launch is an increase in users for FF7R project on pS5, but the issue is that 5m people played FF7R on PS4 and that did not transfer into PS5 sales
>>739683034Even Nintendo's starting to get pretty bad. Tears of the Kingdom was a massive asset/world flip that took 6 years and almost twice BotW's devteam, Mario Kart World took 8 years, Tomodachi Life Living the Dream took 9, and we're about to hit 9 years with no new full 3D Mario game in sight.If you were in kindergarten when Super Mario Odyssey came out, you're going into high school this year without a new 3D Mario having come out in the time between.
>>739687768Fantasian is just Sakaguchi effortlessly mogging modern FF with a shoestring budget.
>>739689926Just because there is a long gap between entries does not mean those entries were in active development over the entire gap period.
>>739687768alright anon you convinced me to play it when i'm done with my current game
Just cause you release more games doesn't mean you will get more of an audience waiting for them. The hunger for more FF isn't there like Pokémon.
>>739681257>inability to develop games in a timely manner This is nearly the entire games industry rn. Square enix just got hit with it a little earlier
>>739690106>devtimes don't count if they're Nintendo
>>739686416I always thought square are already doing well with their spin off games.Bravely default/triangle strategy/octopath/the remakes. They might not be the best but they remind me of old square enix and it certainly feels those games are doing a lot better than main franchise ones
>>739690284That's not what I said at all retard
>>739690131I might as well disclose that it starts off a bit slow-ish. It the game does consistently get better and better from the very get go though. But like, at the start you don't even have a full party and your character skills are limited. But it really doesn't take that long to get going. In a couple of hours and the pacing from then on is already drastically improved and stays pretty good from then on. And when you unlock the 'teleport' the game also opens up a lot more. The game really does get better and better. Enjoy it!
>>739688925>Classic defeat god with power of friendship plotThis has literally never been FF's thing. If anything it's about defeating the incarnation of nihilism, but even then that's the minority of games.
>>739688925>In all the ways it mattered it was a classic Final Fantasy titleWhy are nuFF fans so fucking retarded?
>>739681257Managing to release in a timely manner in the only part in which FFXVI was successful, now they just need to do that again but with a JRPG and a setting that isn't painfully generic.
>>739681257>They need to prioritize pumping out games on a 2-3 year basisIf only.
what happened to DQ12 being rated M?
>>739681164>It's no wonder this shit company is dyingas they say go woke, go broke.
>>739681164>implying versus xiii wouldn't be uber garbage like nu FF games kek
>>739696440But it also wouldn't have been a 10-year money sink that immediately required a whole Extended Universe of additional content for any hope in hell of making its money back.
