So Dragon Quest 12 was effectively cancelled and what we're getting is practically an entirely different game?
>DQ11/S is a massive success>finally DQ has presence in the west>decide to 180 from it for 12What were they thinking???Now they've had to cobble together Beyond Dreams to salvage it.I wish we could've seen how Flames of Fate looked in-game as I get the feeling it made it far into development before its cancellation.
>>739682679Yup you will enjoy your transdragon folx pratagonisx in generic hero story
Based E33 scared the japsWe're entering a new age of jrpgs
>>739682679I guess they really were making it dark and edgy, when they first said that I assumed they just meant they were giving up on aiming for low ratings with things getting more strict and it wouldn't be an actual tone change, guess I was wrong.
>>739682884Why not just release Flames of Fate as a "side story" like Rune Factory Azuma instead of a numbered gameseems like a waste
>>739683139Retard nigga, they would have kept it dark and "mature" if they cared about competing with E33
So it's all but confirmed that the new DQM game is going to suck, right? So I can stop paying attention to this franchise?
>>739684131Wouldn't be able to afford the same effort towards it, and it would be noticeable that the parts made eariler are higher quality
>>739683139I hate rap but I love eminem.
FF16 buckbroke Square-EnixI feel bad for the DMC5 guy they poached from CAPCOM.
>>739684253ah fair. unfortunate
I can just picture them showing Horii some dark ass FF16 tier shit and him having a look of disgust on his face the whole time. Considering the team got a "reshuffle" I bet he got some people demoted for it.
>>739684362Maybe they could release it as just a novel, that would probably get no translations
>>739684367Imagine trying to turn Dragon Quest of all franchises into a grimdark action-oriented game. You should be fired.That's such a retarded decision only the highest-up of higher-ups could dream to even suggest to his underlings.
>>739684304>i hate trash but i love garbage
>>739684543I hate trash and garbage but rubbish is kinda okay.
>>739684314and Rebirth.Both action slop title that underperformed.
>>739682679Basically, Square wanted an edgy DQ game and Horii put his foot down and forced them to make an actual DQ game. When he's gone this series dies with him.
>>739682679I wonder if we'll ever learn what kind of game The Flames of Fate actually was and what it looked like.
>>739682884Square is besieged by execs who chase marketing trends. They've been trying to escape being an "RPG Company" for decades, to the detriment of their games.
>>739682679That fucking trailer is really ROUGH. Like, that character design and render is really fucking shite. Does Toriyama death effect them that much?
>>739684226There's only been a few good original DQs since 5, you can just ignore it now that Toriyama is gone.
>>739685201He looks better as a lizard at least. So hopefully we're allowed to be a lizard for most of the game.
>>739684750Horii was the one who wanted it to be an ARPG back when 9 was in development.
Why is Square Enix trying to make all of their turnbased franchises, into action games. While ignoring their actual action game franchises? If they went all in on the Mana games instead of outsourcing them and then killing the games off. It could surely be a lot more successful than it is.
>>739685523DQ12 wasn't going to have action combat.
>>739685201They said Toryima’s designs are still in the game. So I assume it’s re-used from the original 12.
Im more excited about the new DQ monsters desu senpai.
>>739685730I wish we could have at least gotten concept art or something.
>>739685201Considering Toriyama was trickling out shit like DAIPA by his end days it wouldn't surprise me if he did make these crappy cheap designs
We all agree they're the same person right?
>>739682679They started development during the height of wokeslop and then all that shit bombed and they shat their pants.
>>739686719It certainly feels that way. The hair style is the biggest give away.
>>739685319And he bent over to the nips when they whined it wasn't the same turnbased slop they played 8 times priorzero spine
>>739682679https://www.youtube.com/live/6u3jd4IyMso?t=1951
>>739686875so where were all the action fans for FFXVI?
>>739684304this retarded analogy works in E33chads favor. yes there are "i hate rap but love eminem" types, but actual rap fags also loved eminem his early albums, obviously
>>739686968no it doesn't
>>739686958don't make me laugh anon, that """action""" combat is so dogshit it could only appeal to turn-based fags and NOT action enjoyers
>>739682679>Square pushes for AI in development>AI deletes DQ12UH YEAH THERES BEEN SOME SHUFFLING
>>739686719>>739686823same exact sword
>>739686997you lost and got raped anon, please try to refrain from browning up the thread by seething about an entirely unrelated game.
>>739687053>a game made by the devil may cry devs isn't a real action gameliterally 'it wasn't real communism' tier
>>739687121did you not play it? only someone who didn't play it could be this much of a fucking retard
clive plays better than v and nero, much worse than dante and vergil.
>>739684304E33 fans fucking love FF though. Just some odd minority that don't even like videogames broadly, are the ones who like E33 while shitting on JRPGs broadly.
did they mention that they ditched the action idea and the new one is turn-based again?
>>739686958Playing action games.
>>739687410none of these games have outsold FF7
>>739687461every person in china bought a copy of bmw
>>739687410>3 korean made games>then the china government funded cultural trojan horse trying to piggyback off of them
>>739686719Maybe she'll like the lizard more. Would she be justified?
>>739687875i notice you comment on their origin but not on the quality of the games. why is that? all 4 of those games are very good.
>>739686719I really hope you aren't jut a lizard for a chapter or two. I hope we either become a lizard for the remainder of the game or that we'll be able to change at will after a certain point.
>>739687362No, but safe to assume they went back to basics after all the non turn based shit flopped.
>>739682679>Dragon Quest>entirely differentaren't those games known for being the same archaic shit over and over again lol
>>739686719I'm not convinced. It's just a generic sword, and while the clothes are similar, they're not the same. It's just the first 3 party members, which they showed off in-order.
>>739682679They can do whatever they want to try and fix it, but it being action combat is going to kill this game, it might work for other games like pokemon, but not for dragon quest
>>739682679The boomer said no edgy DQ
>>739689559face the wall.
>>739682679How hard is it to make a simple turn-based JRPG? They've been doing this for decades and still can't churn one out on a regular basis.It's not like each new DQ games are revolutionary titles that completely change genres. They're the most barebones turn-based JRPGs imaginable, which is precisely why people like them.
Just put the 4 niggas in a row bro that’s all we’re asking
>action combatI can't lie. I almost got BotW vibes from the trailer. Like I know not everything is BotW. But with the bow on his back and the way he jumped, I almost got the feeling he'd pull out his bow and start chucking arrows at the slimes beneath in bullet time as in BotW.
>>739690062Because the shareholders want action combat now, even where it doesn’t make sense. I guess they saw their action games were outselling their turn based ones and thought the entire reason that was happening was because if the action combat.
3 niggas in a row but french sold millions, they'd be dumb to ignore that.
>>739686958Complaining that the combat had less depth than DMC1.
>>739686719Probably linked in some ways, like a Laguna dream thing.
>>739690271Yeah but botw and elden ring sold even more millions, so why not chase that? Game companies are too retarded to understand nuance and how certain games benefit from having one type of gameplay over another, they think it’s interchangeable
>>739686968The thing isn't that E33 is necessarily bad, but it is made so accessible and "acceptable" that it kills the point.Yes, it can be good but it becomes a "Eww Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, and Chrono Cross... Those are so... 'japanese', I don't understand when the characters don't look like realistic humans. E33 is better than 'the original style of JRPGs'."I hope you understand my point. it is the same with rap. People refuse to listen to it because 'it doesn't sound/look like stuff I already like'.Like anime sometimes handles stuff bit deeper and serious than mainstream western media, and wants itself to be taken seriously rather than hiding behind Marvel-ish quips and constant irony. But just because its in cartoon medium, people refuse to watch it(of course stuff like boys and men actually crying when they are sad or happy for their friends etc. is seen as 'embarrassing' and 'effeminate' or as /v/ usually says 'tranny behavior'). Many instead watches the western live action adaptions.Like as a somewhat big One Piece fan who watched the live action, it is decently good. It has so many fucking things I dislike, but on its own it is decently good. But the people who watch it and refuse to watch/read the OG are literally the exact "I don't like rap but I like eminem" crowd.Don't worry, this isn't some "nippon thousand time folded media bestooo" stuff, but just sadly accurate stuff when it comes to the exact topic. Even stuff like FPS is now split to "First Person Shooters" and "boomer shooters" that are "too clunky and old".But back to E33. This has been seen so many times in the past with different games and mediums, that it is painful. What I fear is this very "westernized" version of JRPGs coming on top while people insisting that it is better than any old stuff. It just makes people very fundamentally incurious consoomers who buy what is popular rather than going out to look stuff they like.Normalfag pandering. Movie games.
>>739685201>That fucking trailer is really ROUGH.>Like, that character design and render is really fucking shite.shills on steam and reddit will insist it will be a huge success when the last 2 Dragon Quest releases flopped.The most recent one even had a bigger budget and re-did the graphics to pixar bobble-head designs (which sucked and were gay).They can keep producing censored localization slop, and they will keep seeing mediocre sales. The fact these games have the bulk of their sales in Japan isn't a good sign.
>>739690749i aint readin allat, you lost and got savagely raped.
The grimdark DQ12 would have been better than whatever this D11.5 but now with uglier characters is.
>>739682679Yes, cause XII tried to go full retarded like Final Fantasy after X.They realized the mistake and went back to DQXI's style.
>>739690975Didn't work for Final Fantasy and XVI still flopped and sucked, cope.
>>739690872Anon. I'm not the anon you replied to.I just wanted to give my honest perspective on a topic.But I'm sorry I tried to be genuine.
>>739690023Thanks for the confirmation LMAO
>>739691131The classic blunder of attempting to be genuine in a post-post-post-post-ironic world.
>>739690484But Squeenix have no experience with making anything like Elden Ring. Meanwhile they have historically been the king of the hill that they're now being out competed in. It's fucked up.
>>739682679We'll see how things pan out, but my main concern at this point is DQ12 ending up being another safe retread of what's tried and true, much like 11 was. There's certainly an audience for that, and I'm a part of it, but I was genuinely interested in seeing the series take on a new direction for at least one game.Oh well.
>>739690872>someone writes a long and well thought out post talking about e33 and transformation of media>"LOL IM NOT READIN THAT! U LOST U GOT RAPED!!!"jesus christ i hate this fucking board
>>739690872Third worlder moment
>>739692473that "new direction" would most likely just be chasing industry trends like final fantasy has done
Thinking about Dragon Quest broadly. Is Pokopia's success good or bad for Dragon Quest Builders? Like. Did Pokopia ensure that DQB 3 is guaranteed, or did it effectively kill DQB since it's so much more successful?
>>739685201Do retards forget what Toriyama's art actually looked like?
Well this explains ithttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/dl3XLkqr0MZJrKLTlhAX4Q%3D%3D
>>739690749I appreciate your post, but I take issue with this statement.>but it is made so accessible and "acceptable" that it kills the point.I think the term you're looking for is 'approachable', and while E33 is certainly more palatable to more mainstream audiences than something like say a Tales of game, there's more to its widespread acclaim than it having realistic graphics. It excels across the board, from its gameplay to its writing to its art direction and music. That's why it was so successful, its consistent quality. Do other jRPGs hit these highs, or surpass them, in at least some areas? Absolutely. But I can't think of very many that are as consistently good as E33.TLDR: E33 is popular because its really good.
>>739693047While its true that trendchasing yields poor results more often than not, I stand by my assertion that the series could use a refresh. If not in a mainline game, then a spinoff of some sort to test the waters and iron out any wrinkles.I mean really, what is Beyond Dreams going to do to set it apart from every other DQ in recent memory? Aside from having a stoner for a protagonist.
>>739693859>I mean really, what is Beyond Dreams going to do to set it apart from every other DQ in recent memory?Not that anon. And this isn't substantiated. It's but a gut feeling. But I feel like DQ12 is not going to be as traditional as it might appear. Maybe thematically they radically revamped DQ12, but I still feel like this might DQ's "BotW" moment.
>>739694851>but I still feel like this might DQ's "BotW" moment.I would certainly welcome the surprise. Like I said, we'll see. Just feel a bit underwhelmed from that reveal right now, I suppose.
>>739692508>>739692831whatever you say, Rakesh & Sanjay
>>739695886You can't even read retard.
>>739686918Saving this for when Barry lies again about versus 13 changing.
Reminder that most E33 fans really love FF. Which shouldn't be surprising at all given how E33 plays like and what inspired the devs. Don't let retards manipulate you into thinking otherwise.
>>739685285Yeah, the lizard stuff is pretty much the only saving grace for the MC. My main problem is the hair though, so maybe there'll be hair mods for PC to salvage him
>>739696869It looks like it could be the same as 8 with the whole mouse thing maybe the MC will be cursed at the start of the game?
>>739682679square is run so fucking badly these days. Imagine not being able to get a DQ game out for a whole decade. There are kids growing up who haven't had a DQ game release for their entire childhood from 4 to 14not gonna get any nostalgiabux from an entire generation now going forwards. they really fucked up
>>739682884You just need to look at the human characters shown today to get an idea of how edge of flames looked like
>>739697034>There are kids growing up who haven't had a DQ game release for their entire childhood from 4 to 14That's grim.
>>739684367He actually did, back in 2024 the game's producer got sent to the mobile mines and got replaced by Saito
>>739690773Congratulations on ignoring the platform where these games sold millions, I know mentioning it would harm your narrative so I understand it was your best course of action
>>739696219making the conscious decision to not read faggotdrivel =/= illiteracy
Will they give retarded names to everyone and everything in the English release, for no reason, yet again? Why do they even do that?
>>739700590Obviously?Why would they stop butchering it now?
>>739682679NFT dragon quest let's go
>>739682679look at these decrepit boomers
