How the fuck does Shin Megami Tensei exist when it's so blasphemous as it is? I'm not going to play a fantasy where I kill the god I believe in or condone the depiction as a psychopath.
im atheist but I love these games because I get to kill pajeet "gods"
>YHVH>godYou fell for it.
because religion is fake
yahweh is an evil canaanite god
I would like to see more settings where god is truth itself. Perfect and right to the degree that rebelling against them is pure self destruction.
Just become gnostic already and stop whining about killing God in jap vidya.
>>739702113play pokemon legends arceus
>>739701673That's a demon that calls himself a god, as Christian teaching sometimes describes other religious "gods" as. It's going to be hard to play a game where you kill Metatron and then YHVH without thinking it's a game attacking Christianity, but he didn't make the world in 7 days or decide what happens there minutely at all times. He's some guy who hopes you think he did.
>>739701673You have to be able to read and play video games to find this stuff out. Outrage propagandists can barely figure out how to breathe on their own.
YHVH in SMT is not 'god' in the traditional Christian sense, but an evil, malevolent demiurge from the gnostic beliefs. Just like in real life.
>>739702048Atheists are hollow beings; like men without a father, they will fill the void left by their refusal or lack of God with lesser, substanceless things. In the way YHVH, a being that lacks real substance, fills the void in man by pretending to be God, a role that is fulfilled by the Great Will in SMT, so too will an atheist fill the void in their hearts with excess or denial of reality itself. One should pity an atheist, not because he lacks God, which is in itself lamentable, but because he has filled the void in his heart with things that at best lack substance and at worst actively harm him and his perception of the world.
>>739701673Then don't play it? I know it's hard for religious nuts to understand sometimes but things are allowed to exist that go against your beliefs. Or that's what I'd say if this wasn't the usual 4chan larp.
>>739702442>zero self awareness: the post
>>739702442you made this thread so you could have this npc spergout didnt you?
>>739702370"Demiurge" means creator god. Gnostism is retarded nihilist whining that says existence itself is bad.
>>739701673Less than 1% of Japan is Christian
>>739702042>>739702208Being fair, this is a retcon, in earlier games he's very obviously supposed to be the capital G God
>>739701673he's the jew god
>>739702117>become gnosticwhy would anyone willingly do that lmao
>>739702442I accept your concession
>>739702572>>739702653>>739702995not even that anon but these emotional replies are just embarassing
>>739702572>>739702995Pottery
>>739702878Yet they can't shut up about Christianity
>>739702894It is in the forefront of like SMT4A, but SMT games have long treated angels and even gods as demons, created by fusing demons together and thrown in a demon compendium. YHVH stands out because he's sometimes the final boss and generally can't be fused, but he's definitely not all-knowing and all-powerful. I wouldn't call it a retcon, but they did take something that was kind of ambiguous and explain it clearly.
>>739703418YHVH being a giga demon is not a retcon, I mean him being an imposter of some higher divinity. In earlier titles, the implication is clearly supposed to be that God himself is just another demon.
>>739701673>I'm not going to play a fantasy where I kill the god I believe in or condone the depiction as a psychopathNigga have you read the Old Testament? God some pretty psychopathic shit
>>739703367its just a cool foreign thing to them. christcucks arnt actually the main character irl
>>739703753Oh, just like the elegant samurai sword, cool foreign thing, japs aren't actually the main character irl
>>739701673Sophia created a imperfect being, who goes on to make a world of suffering, and make everyone worship it as the true creator god.This isn't the Capital G from modern Abrhamic religions.
>>739701673At least SMT understands the Remphan Star is demonic... Not even western Christians understand that, and they seriously think a Star of David exists when it is never once mentioned in the bible. Pretty sad actually. The co-opters of your faith actively got you worshipping demonic shit and supporting nations with demonic symbols on their flags.
>>739702442>the way I fill my heart: good and moral>the way you fill your heart: lamentable and harmfuland the Demiurge keeps winning
it may surprise you but japan isn't a bunch of christcucks
>>739703879Yah everyone thinks katanas are cool.
>>739703367It's a cool setting, le angles vs demons
>>739704019They're lady swords made out of pig iron, you swing them like a baseball bat for great honor
>2026>christcucks
>>739701673Christian larpers need to fuck off this site.
If you're Christian you're worshipping jews, not any kind of god
>>739704249>>739704294>fatlus trannies
>be me a long time ago>think God is a tyrant>walk my own path for years>indulge in all the pleasures of the flesh>at the end of this path was nothing but darkness>realize God's commandments are there for my own good>read the bible>become Christian>finally feel like I'm walking a righteous path for the first time in my lifeI hope everyone ITT will see the light as well. God is slow to anger and He WILL forgive all of your sins so long as you have faith in our lord and savior Jesus Christ.God bless all of you. Amen.
>>739701673YHVH is a fabricated jewish demon, not the true christian god, the entire torah is a jewish self masturbatory fanfic.
>>739704346You realize Jesus was persecuted and murdered by the Jews, right? Why would the Jews make themselves the bad guy in their own story? Why do they so vehemently hate Christ more than anything in the world, when He--according to you--has turned white people into Jew-worshiping cattle?
He forgives even if you don't believeThey don't want you to know this, wonder why
>>739704346if you believe Christianity is some sort of 5d chess ploy conjured up by kikes everyone fell for for 2 millenia and counting you're the one worshipping them lmao
>>739704510He was tortured by the Romans as a standard execution method of the time. Why do you lie like this?
>>739704634And who called for the torture and the execution?
>>739704634You should actually read the gospel
Christcucks are such weak willed they need an imaginary friend as a moral compassAlso is Soul Hackers 2 worth a shot? Looking for something to play but it looks a bit bland
>>739704379I wipe my ass with your god, bitch.
imagine worshiping a jew
>>739702442Would explain why so many of us fall for gnostic cults, but then again so do some Christians. Still, it feels like atheists are more susceptible to it. It really does make me wonder if they truly were crafted by Satan from their efficacy.
>>739704760Forgive him lord, for he knows not what he does.
>>739704752No as it's pretty bad
>>739704634Matthew 27>22 Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. 23 And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. 24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. 25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
>>739704760good morning sir
>>739701673Mr. Clean is basically Bruce Almighty gone wrong.
>>739704752Without God, you would not even have a will.
>>739704379You mistook youthful rebellion and the hedonism that follows it as being the anti-God, therefore God to you was maturing, needing a sense of order and asceticism. If you imbibe the draught and call it poison, the antidote will be whatever you name.
I don’t think God gives a shit what you do in a video game. I went to a Baptist high school where faggots said I can’t play god of war lol.
>>739702208>but he didn't make the world in 7 daysHe literally did. It's his lore and lore transcend the history of the World.
>>739702894>>739703418Last Bible and later IV:A and V clarify that YHVH is just the Pope++ who is allowed to sit on the Throne of Creation to act as God's universal representative. Actual God is something far beyond the plebeian demon-gods in scope.
christcucks be like>yes, i need a two thousand year old book book to tell me that murder is bad.>if you dont need a two thousand year old book to tell you that murder is bad, that means you're evil!
>>739705182Fatlus strawmanning again
>>739704379Amen. Get saved anonsJohn 3>16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
>>739701673>How the fuck does Shin Megami Tensei exist when it's so blasphemous as it is?Because you lost your ability to censor things you don't consume but don't want others to consume either. I think that's for the better.
>>739701673Is your god so weak and pathetic a fictional bastardized depiction of it makes you throw such a hissy fit for anonymous strangers on the internet? Or are you just doubting your faith?
>>739705074No, Anon, I've tried fighting these demons by myself for years and I always ended up flat on my face. Every time I thought I overcame sin on my own, God humbled my soul by showing me I did not overcome anything all, for it is Christ and Christ alone who defeated sin on the cross.
>>739701673why do you think the franchise avoided the west for very long despite being one of the most popular rpg franchises of japan
>>739702442yeah yeah turn off the computer, mom is yelling for you to go to church underage
>>739704752It’s just hilarious how they act like thinking god doesn’t exist will immediately make you murderrape everyone you see because there’s no one to inflict eternal damnation on you. Truly says more about how moral they actually are than it says about the atheists its invariably directed at.
>>739704220Yeah just like Christianity is praying and fighting for the safety of jews who killed the Christian son of God. Not everything that is cool needs to make sense even at a surface level.
>>739705182That sounds like a very juvenile perspective. You really think the bible is just 780,000 words of saying "murder bad murder bad murder bad"?
>>739705292>anon is a weak willed loser>"i-its not my fault that im weak willed! god was just testing me!"these people will tell you that they are holy and righteous btw
lol at the christcucks having a meltie because someone put their god in a vidya game. Literal Karen and boomer behavior.
Is Yaldabaoth supposed to be same as YHVH or a different entity? Because if they're different, something doesn't add up.
>>739705474>tendie calling anyone a loseranon, I...
>>739701673Because gods aren't real. Grow up.
>>739704760Do not redeem. Please do the needful.
>>739702442>sees a low-effort atheist shitpost>immediate spergoutEvery single time, like clockwork.
>>739705567its just a reaction webm, anon. calm down. its not "satan" (your own mind) telling you to do perform "banned actions" (greed, wanting to keep money instead of giving it to the jews)
>>739705407First of all, if God didn't exist then YOU wouldn't exist. Second of all, you really think all Christians are fucking psychopaths or something? when only a very small percentage of the population have psychopathic tendencies?
>play game>antagonist is a fat guy holding the Orb of Ultimate Power>calls himself Literally GodWtf I don't wanna play a game where I have to kill my God.
>>739701673Unironically best most accurate depiction of yahweh.If you read that shit unbiased he comes up as a divine pyscho.Seriously he kills like 99% of humanity in a fucking flood at one point he probably has the highest deathcount ever.
>>739701673>or condone the depiction as a psychopath.Man this guy must hate the Bible.
>>739701673Why would the Big G give two shits about Japan anyways? Did they ever give a in game reason why he choose a nation with the 2nd or 3rd largest population of atheists, and who superficially follow pagan customs? Why not just do his thing in the ME, where he is culturally tied to a old Cannanite storm god, or was an Arabian mountain god export to the Levant region?
>>739705465it also says other things like>if you eat too much, thats bad>dont get angry at other people for pointless shit>dont fuck random people, you werent designed to derive long term pleasure from it.truly, we NEED a two thousand year old history book to tell us these arcane secrets!
>>739705474What's the longest you ever went without watching porn?
>>739705518People here are to young to remember Jack Thompson and his pathetic bitching about video games.Christcucks have always been the most easily offended group when it comes to media
Do you guys think if I asked nicely God would create an ai but physical cute wife based off rise for me? She wouldn’t need to be that intelligent just cute like how she appears in game. I ask for ai because I think I’ve fucked up too many times to deserve a regular wife.
>>739705121Are you a literalist that thinks the world was factually created in 7 days or are you the sort that thinks 1 day = 1 age?How old is the earth in your opinion?
>>739705551It's never made clear. In that particular game it's implied he's a version of YHVH, but later SMT games infer that Yaldi is a demon made by conflicting beliefs of what God is meant to be, YHVH is whoever is sitting in the big boi' chair, and the Great Will is real God.
>>739704634And who, pray tell, demanded that Romans do something about Jesus in the first place? Who kept endlessly seething about him, and why?
>>739705739>throw out 2000 year old book of arcane secrets>suddenly people start doing all the things it said to not do, those things that are so obvious that we seemingly don't need a 2000 year old book of arcane secrets for.....
>>739705716>he kills like 99% of humanity in a fucking floodyeah God did a reset on dindu nuffins, how could he... oh, waitGenesis 6>5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.interesting how people feel the need to chime in with such smugness on what they've never actually read
>>739701673Why would fiction meant as fiction being "blasphemous" in concept make it unable to be made? I don't understand. If it were encouraging people to think this way about the real actual God you'd at least have an objection to make, but it doesn't.
>>739705716I find it funny when people use God as a reason to be against abortion. Like don’t you think pregnant women were alive during the flood? Or pregnant women in Sodom and Gomorrah? Not saying abortion is right or wrong I just find it ironic.
>>739704752>Also is Soul Hackers 2 worth a shot?/smtg/ keeps calling it shit, so...
>>739705716Does he though? Given a few thousand years of population growth, Stalin and Hitler have to at least be in the running. Unless you're counting all deaths to natural disasters, then yeah, there's no contest
>>739705870people do them even when following the 2000 year old book of arcane secrets.the whole point of the book is>erm see this list of things you're not allowed to do?>yeah you CANT follow all of them! thats why you need to worship me and beg for forgiveness on a daily basis.
>>739702990People who do typically come in two typesThose who look at the World and feel that they do not belong in it and that by the nature of being made to exist within it, its creator must be untrue.And larpers who think its cool.
>>739705870Thankfully morality and law preceded your Canaanite pantheon fanfiction by thousands of years. No Sumerian ever called me a heathen.
>>739705938Eh i don't know that's why i said problably.But he definitely is on that list thou, if you take the bible completely literally.
>>739705926If your argument has to first concede that God exists and the bible is true, you would also have to concede that the divine creator of all things, that defined the universe and all of its logical rules, has divine authority on who lives and who dies.
>>739705739It's funny to me that you deem these things "common sense." Do you want to know why it's common sense to you? Because God wrote His law into your heart.Jeremiah 31:33“I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”Without this 2000 year old book and God's influence, do you honestly believe man would not fall to his vices? Do you genuinely believe we would be living in some sort of science fiction utopia, instead of literal Sodom and Gomorrah? According to you, the average person is an ascetic perfectly capable of controlling his urges. Have you ever observed the average person? The average person in this now Godless world is addicted to a myriad of things. I've seen so many Anons saying they would start raping and murdering the second the law ceases to exist. Just take one fucking look around on this board alone, and you'll be met with countless of Anons who are addicted to porn and other unclean things.
>>739706005>Those who look at the World and feel that they do not belong in it and that by the nature of being made to exist within it, its creator must be untrue.The Holy Bible explicitly says that we are not of this world and that it is corrupted and temporarily ruled by the devil though, so I still don't get why would anyone willingly stop halfway and join the nihilists instead of continuing to pursue the truth to its natural conclusion
>>739705870>we didn't have morality until Roman Empire switched its state religion to ChristianityInteresting claim, anon. Do you have anything to back it up?
>>739706001Because the God of eternity wrote most of those rules on their heart. God did not begin to exist 2000 years ago, He made a grand revelation and sacrifice 2000 years ago.
>>739706025>abortion is actually okay when The Big Authority says soSo, you concede not all unborn life is holy and worthy of protection?
>>739706006>your Canaanite pantheonebin projection avi
>>739702442I have retarded genz tradcath fatigue
>>739705739I dunno, you strip away Abrahamic morality and you get places like India and Cambodia. If the polythiests and atheists are so enlightened, how come they can't run a country better than Afghanistan? It feels like their morality systems were outmoded by those that were better able to organize their communities under a common goal.
>>739706209I didn't say we didn't have morality, the Bible simply gives considerably easier access to moral truths, when you point to that systematically and say "None of it matters, none of it is true" you see direct results of that reflected in society
>>739706001That is not how you redeem yourself, you redeem yourself through faith in Christ; you redeem yourself by believing He died for your sins.Repentance is transformative. It doesn't mean feeling bad.
>>739705674>First of all, if God didn't exist then YOU wouldn't exist.Who asked, Christcuck?, go make a thread on /x/ about it.>Second of all, you really think all Christians are fucking psychopaths or something?No, but you are as animals. Little more than stunted, overgrown children, specially in a moral sense. Protestants are of course the very worst of the worst, I honestly find the vast majority of your beliefs not only to be factually wrong but completely revolting. It would be easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a Protestant to go to heaven. Even a muslim would go to heaven before you do honestly, though not by much.
>>739706276nta who are you quoting? you just misconstrued what that anon said and then asked a question to that quote you made up lmao
>>739701673Because Elric and Devilman proved edgy media could be profitable.
>>739706097>Without this 2000 year old book and God's influence, do you honestly believe man would not fall to his vices?Nta, but the 2,000 year old book seems rather superfluous next to the supernatural influence of an omnipotent being
>>739706191I'm not him, and I'm even a Christian, but if you really can't see how the presence of god isn't the most natural conclusion, I'm sorry, your preaching is unlikely to make much difference.Sometimes they are excessive, but it never feels like the bad things that happen weren't what was "supposed" to happen. If you reject all the evils of the world as "corruption from Satan" then you posit that the natural world shouldn't make sense to mortal minds, essentially.
>>739706276I don't concede that and that's not what I said. Given that God knows all inside and outside of time, He has divine authority of what to do to who and how. I am a temporal being with limited scope and understanding of the universe, and am therefore not authorized to cut the lives of people short, as this creation is not mine, nor does it function off of my plan or presuppositions of its purpose.
>>739701673Japs are like a weird version of unique pagan gnostics.
>>739706367>impotent rabid rage towards Christianity>putting islam on a pedastalthe absolute state lmao. so embarassing
>>739706367Where do you think free will comes from?Also it's funny to me when you refer to me as an animal, when atheists refer to humans as primates. And I don't know why you made the assumption that I am protestant?
>>739706478Blame the Jesuits who told them that Jesus was actually japanese and had brothers and sisters in japan. I'm happy that china and japan are experiencing an explosion in Christianity, but I can't help but think their theology is probably very....interesting
>>739706317Middle Ages Europe was equally backward to Middle Ages India. It's not a function of morality but resources and management/education that determine outcomes. You could just as well reverse the argument and use countries like China, Singapore, and Japan for the non-Christian argument for success.You're also overlooking frankly immoral genocides by Europeans and exploitive colonization schemes, but let's pretend those didn't happen.
>>739706427How so?
>>739706097The average person in a society completely dominated by god was also a hopeless addict. They just hid it from their peers and acted like they were squeaky clean sinless dolls in public. We spent so long with that being the norm that the idea of Christianity is now associated more with that obsession with appearing "upright" in public than with its actual values. This is why so many people have a flinch response to Christians.
>the exact same thread>the exact same bait>the exact same performative bullshit>the exact same type of retardation>over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over
>>739704346>The god you worship is the god of jewsSlight correction, but it makes all the difference
>>739706436>but if you really can't see how the presence of god isn't the most natural conclusionprovide a plausible alternative and I'll look into it. and no, the public schooling taught spirituality of "reality created itself through a bunch of dice rolls, who gives a shit" or similar nihilist offshoots are clearly not it>If you reject all the evils of the world as "corruption from Satan"re-read the post you are replying to
There's only one god and His name is Lord Moloch, the insane demon god of evil, sadism, deliberate unfairness, cruelty, spite, insanity, hatred, death, destruction, torture and malice. This world exists only to be a playground for rich, powerful, sociopathic, sadistic narcissists, because they are the ones chosen by Lord Moloch to torture everyone else for His amusement.
>>739706746>what gnosticism does to a mfsad
>>739701673blasphemy only matters if it's popular.
>>739706660How do you expect me to argue against baseless assumptions?But I agree, there are a lot of phonies, but not just in Christianity. A real Christian knows that God can read your heart like a book, and would therefore not obsess over outward appearances.
Yahweh unironically is evil. From Number 31>The Israelites took the women of Midian and their little ones captive; and they took all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods as booty. All their towns where they had settled, and all their encampments, they burned, but they took all the spoil and all the booty, both people and animals. Then they brought the captives and the booty and the spoil to Moses, to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the Israelites, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho.>Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp. Moses became angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. Moses said to them, “Have you allowed all the women to live? These women here, on Balaam’s advice, made the Israelites act treacherously against the Lord in the affair of Peor, so that the plague came among the congregation of the Lord. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man by sleeping with him. But all the young girls who have not known a man by sleeping with him, keep alive for yourselves.
>>739706595Nta but you're getting into catholic vs Protestant apologetics. The bible is the God breathed sacred scripture and teaches us how to live, but the book itself affirms that we are also imbued with the "helper" of The Holy Spirit. God delivering us a book of rules and explanations for the world we live in and the lives we lead is great, but comparatively, it can be seen as not as big a deal stacked next to The Spirit of God guiding you along in life, protecting you, and helping you make better decisions.Personally I think both are a very big deal
>>739706719I wasn't talking about creation, I was talking about the state of the world.If it was made by god and corrupted by the devil, would there not be some sign of the corruption? Some difference? Instead the world appears as one whole. Nothing is out of place. How can the devil hide his touch so perfectly within the masterpiece of God unless we are not within the masterpiece of God at all?
>>739706097>>739706317the average person is retarded, yes.that is why we call them NPCs. they are incapable of greater thoughtreligion acts as an "operating system" for the NPC, filling their lack of thought with operating rules.christianity has lasted so long because its one of the more effective operating systems, capable of creating a long term society.but over time its been perverted and tainted with things like the seven deadly sins (not actually listed in the bible, effectively fanfiction), dantes inferno (actual fanfiction), brimstone and fire hell (not actual hell), and the schism.now in the modern day we've hit a bit of a breaking point, due to the abundance of information availability NPCs are capable of choosing their operating system. and as such NPCs are capable of seeing all of these perversions that have built up over time.this is why liberalism is rampant, because NPCs will naturally choose the operating system that makes them feel better.the reason why christianity is still hanging on is because it preys on the mental weakness, which the modern world is an exceptionally efficient generator for>inb4 "hurr sadness is caused by lack of god! clearly the modern world's problems are the fault of people turning from god"no, its because a handful of elite child fuckers have decided to bomb everyone's quality of life, and christianity is a distraction because it says "being forced to live in a pod doesnt matter! if you worship me you'll go to paradise when you die from being overworked!!!"
>>739706807Embrace nihilistic sadism.
>>739706956>would there not be some sign of the corruptionPeople dying at all is a sign of the corruption
>>739702894In SMT1 it is said he started as some random god, and somehow snowballed into becoming the strongest bootleg god.
>>739706871>How do you expect me to argue against baseless assumptions?I'm not enough of a scholar to quote exact passages, but I'm pretty sure there's stuff on this. The position I track was along the lines of>when preaching doesn't work, stop preaching and lead by example, let people come to you
>>739706956Read literally the first few sentences of the Bible, being Genesis 1 and 2. It's all explained there. I recommend the King James Bible translation. The devil is also a spirit and he does not hide his touch at all; see the symbolism associated with him and his goons being present all over
>>739707127Why would I or anyone ever embrace this demoralization slop?
That's the jewish god and he's as evil as you think and then some!
>>739707214I have read them. They explain that God made the world.If I am living in the world God made, I should be able to identify the touch of his opposite. Where is it?
>>739707110So what do you think happens when you die?
>>739702572>>739702653>>739702995>>739704016>>739705406>>739705631>>739706312Somebody struck a nerve
are there faggots that actually cry and scream over SMT or is it just baiting faggotry?
>>739706595It seems pretty self-evident to me that the divine influence of the creator himself would be all that's necessary for people to have morality. A holy book virtually indistinguishable from the outside to all the other holy books' influence would be negligible at best.
>>739707345they're unironically crying and screaming, look at the state of the world right now - people you perceived to be trolling were 100% serious.
>>739707307nobody knows, and anyone that pretends to know should be treated as an insane schizophrenic.
>I need Magic Sky Daddy breathing down my neck 24/7 or I will immediately descend into primal evilI love when Christcucks out themselves as morally bankrupt with minimal prompting.
>>739707204>when preaching doesn't work, stop preaching and lead by example, let people come to youYes, I agree. We should all shine our lights in this increasingly darkening world. Therefore judge not your peers, instead hand them a candle. We are all in this together.
>>739707301Your ability to personally know evil is one such sign of corruption
>>739706538No decent catholic would go be this obnoxious about god in the internet. I should know, I hanged with Opus Dei and Jesuites in college and even those folks wouldn’t stoop this low. Only a Protestant would ever be such a cunt and dare feel good about themselves. Again, because the only notion you have in your brain of civism and morality is “I do it in God’s name and so it is good”. A blind man’s morality. Also you do not believe in evolution. That’s a dead giveaway. Just know that even though I’m an atheist, If I was wrong and there turned out to be a god, I’m basically certain I’d get in heaven before you or 95% of Protestants ever did. You literally live completely godless lives and act like god’s gonna give you a free pass for all your misdeeds just because you called Jesus your savior once. Ain’t gonna happen boyo.
>>739706909God kills non-Hebrew slaves in Egypt as collateral damage for his conflict with the Pharaoh>Therefore, at this time tomorrow I will send the worst hailstorm that has ever fallen on Egypt, from the day it was founded till now. Give an order now to bring your livestock and everything you have in the field to a place of shelter, because the hail will fall on every person and animal that has not been brought in and is still out in the field, and they will die.’”>Those officials of Pharaoh who feared the word of the Lord hurried to bring their slaves and their livestock inside. But those who ignored the word of the Lord left their slaves and livestock in the field.>Then the Lord said to Moses, “Stretch out your hand toward the sky so that hail will fall all over Egypt—on people and animals and on everything growing in the fields of Egypt.” When Moses stretched out his staff toward the sky, the Lord sent thunder and hail, and lightning flashed down to the ground. So the Lord rained hail on the land of Egypt; 24 hail fell and lightning flashed back and forth. It was the worst storm in all the land of Egypt since it had become a nation. >Throughout Egypt hail struck everything in the fields—both people and animals; it beat down everything growing in the fields and stripped every tree. The only place it did not hail was the land of Goshen, where the Israelites were.This is despite the fact that God brags he can control who gets harmed by natural disasters, meaning God deliberately killed other slaves when he didn't have to
>>739706719>reality created itself through a bunch of dice rolls, who gives a shit"If this is what you think other people believe then no wonder you believe the nonsense you do
You guys don't actually believe in gwhiz do you? You're just larping right?
I am a Christian.I cannot imagine being threatened by a work of media featuring a tyrant that happens to call itself "God". The concept of someone evil sitting in a position like "god" is awful and most media tends to treat it as such, thus all is well.
>>739707204There are indeed passages on this in James where he urges to lead by example. Matthew 7 is also kind of related - Jesus talks about the fakes that basically wear Christianity as a cloaking device and/or those that believe that their own deeds can buy them a ticket to Heaven, basically believing they can save themselvesMatthew 7>16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
>>739707483Without "Magic Sky Daddy" you can't ground your ability to use logic or reason, nor even point to how following "Magic Sky Daddy" is wrong >>739707523Nta but you don't get into heaven based on your character
>>739701673As an atheist this stuff never bothered me, but I do wonder how these games manage to get sold in Muslim places like Saudi Arabia and the UAE. You'd think Atlus would be getting suicide bombers on a regular basis.
>>739701673that's a fake ass nigga posing as a fake ass god tho?also imagine not being an agnosticchad in the big 2026
>>739701673funny how we went from making fun of biblehumpers to having a unironic userbase of christcucks here
>>739701673The YHVH in smt isn't an omnipotent god, he's just larping
>>739705665You totally dropped the ball right there. Holy fuck.
>>739707389To you it's just a book. But have you ever considered how magical books really are? You see symbols that translate into cognizant thoughts inside your mind. >the divine influence of the creator himself would be all that's necessary for people to have moralityAnd that's exactly what happened in Jeremiah 31:33:“I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”But sometimes you fall into darkness, and the bible can help you step back into the light.
>>739707135Why do you believe that the natural state of the universe does not include death?
>>739707565>>739707565God also manipulates the Pharaoh's free will, after the plague of locusts he gives up, but God deliberately "hardens his heart" so he has an excuse to kill more Egyptian children>Pharaoh quickly summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “I have sinned against the Lord your God and against you. Now forgive my sin once more and pray to the Lord your God to take this deadly plague away from me.”>..And the Lord changed the wind to a very strong west wind, which caught up the locusts and carried them into the Red Sea. Not a locust was left anywhere in Egypt. But the Lord hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go"God struck down the firstborn of all Egyptians - prisoners, livestock, and so on. He did not only target the Pharaoh or the military. By modern standards, this is a war crime. >b-but morality is relativeThen God is not objectively moral, he surrenders to human's moral standards not his own>At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead.
>>739707648>Circular logicPathetic. God is a tool created by other humans to control you. You will stick your head in the sand, but it will always be true.
>>739707320Someone posted cringe
Video games
>>739707805>God is a tool created by humansAnd how is that bad?
>>739704379>>739705232Whats the best non pozzed English bible
>>739707572Do feel free to poke at the simplification and prove how it's wrong instead of throwing an ad hominem
>>739707851I jump between KJV, AKJV, NASB, RSV, CSB, and ESV. Generally I use American King James or NASB til it starts getting a little too hard to parse out, then I use CSB or ESV to parse it out.
>>739707523Again so many baseless assumptions, and you sound extremely self-righteous to boot.Why should I waste time arguing with someone who has already painted me as a villain?
>>739707658Most muslims are too poor to afford vidya. The rich ones always have some workaround.>This meal may be halal but I fasted EXTRA long beforehand so Allah allows me to eat itWorth noting that Indians are literally the only ones I know of who got offended by SMT.
>>739707192From a purely theoretical, "evolution of religion" point of view, isn't that actually true in real life as well? Do the Semitic historical artifacts we have not show that the Yahweh worship is the result of religious syncretism and conflict between two earlier cults?
>>739707284Because the sadists who run the world are going to torture the world to death whether you want it or not, so you might as well have fun while you can. Everyone goes straight to Lord Moloch to be tortured forever when they die. Torture is the meaning of life and the ultimate expression of power.
>>739706551The difference is that Europe and to an extent the Middle East managed to climb out of the poverty induced from the fall of Rome to out-compete their surroundings while India was left to deffer to the countries of said regions due to its own culture dividing it into countless quarreling clans. To this day, Pakistan manages to out-compete India in per-capita growth and development in spite of sourcing from the same regional stock.>China, Singapore, JapanAll got beaten back by monotheistic states and were forced into adopting their legal system, with China in particular being usurped as the center of global development as far back as the Islamic golden age and suffering a cultural inability to leverage its on-paper massive population and resource advantages, albeit the Chinese were actually at one point rather close to coming upon monotheism on their own and the Mandate of Heaven is reads as something proto-Abrahamic. >You're also overlooking frankly immoral genocides by Europeans and exploitive colonization schemesThat largely speaks to the targets of said genocides being unable to organize an effective resistance, which speaks in favor to the Abrahamic morality system in terms of competing for survival. Compare the Tibetan Buddhists who are being whittled into nothing by the cultural-equivalent of a house arrest to how difficult it is to genocide an Abrahamic culture, be it the Jews, the Palestinians (who are a split between Muslim and Christian), or the Armenians who all had enough ordinance to wipe out a country leveraged their way in contemporary history yet are all looking to persist into the next century in spite of it.
>>739707850we choose to be men of freedomyou are just cannon fodder in the making
>>739707320>mass-replying
>>739707851King James Bible (KJV)
>>739707669its because christcucks are the same kind of parasites as trannies>need constant reaffirment or else their belief system is threatened>use circular logic to enforce their beliefs>driven to try and groom as many people as possible into following their belief system>the thought of someone that doesnt follow their ideology and is happy makes them recoil out of fear because it presents the thought that they're wrong, with is a banned thought
>>739707648>Without "Magic Sky Daddy" you can't ground your ability to use logic or reasonWho said so?, do you really think that human brains don’t actually function independent of the Holy Spirit?I thought christcucks believed in free will. What kind of free will isn’t innate exactly?, are you even really a Christian or are you the lord’s holy sockpuppet?, can’t really accept Big J into your heart if your actions were compelled by some external force
>>739708073>empty platitudeCan you or can you not point to how it's bad?
>>739707850>why is it bad to be controlled by others?Are you actually this retarded or just baiting?
If God is absolutely good and perfect why does evil exist?
>>739708149Anon this whole thread is bait.
>>739707192that's based on the real world dumbass
>>739707648>Nta but you don't get into heaven based on your characterThat’s what you say to yourself in order to cope with the fact you’d go straight to hell.
>>739707608I tried reading the Communist Manifesto. I stopped as soon as I realized that the Bible was written by people who actually understood the human mind.
>>739708149Follow your own path, eventually you will hit a wall, and on top of that wall Christ will be there to give you a hand.
>>739708149So you're incredulous and therefore it's bad?
>>739708047How is getting demoralized by the evil of the world "having fun"? Sounds to me you just gave up and joined a death cultEphesians 5>12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.Ephesians 6>12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
>>739701673The nips literally killed thousands and thousands of Christians right before they industrialized because they thought Christianity was evil. idk i guess ur bait got me
>>739701673Old Testament god is an asshole
>>739708213Because of free will.
>>739707976>You sound extremely self-righteous to bootHow’s the taste of your own medicine ya cunt?
>>739708281Incredible film btw
>>739708316Where in my post was I acting self-righteous?
why is /v/ the most easily baited board?
>>739702442>all the seething antiwhite atheistsVery based.
>>739708047Post nose.
>>739708398Videogames are an inherently <18 hobby.
>>739708289God manipulates people’s free will, he intentionally manipulated the Pharaoh’s free will>>739707786
>>739708335It's really not. Scorsese being a devout kike made a mockery of both Christianity and whatever the nips believed in
>>739708398Why are you indeed?
>>739707976>Why should I waste time arguing with someone who has already painted me as a villain?Then why are you arguing with everybody, mass replying and sockpuppeting like an autistis manchild?, either keep entertaining my ass or fuck off to /x/
>>739708418I wouldn't go as far as to call them all antiwhite. Norse/scandinavian countries have a serious problem with theism, I don't know enough to tell you specifically why, but where Asia has opened up to the gospel, those european countries seem to be closing
>>739708281To be fair, having to deffer to the judgement to some dubious state located in a part of the world you didn't even know existed up until a few years ago sounds like a pretty sketchy deal when you can already barely tolerate the judgement of your puppet emperor.
>>739702894>Megami Tensei 2 (Literally the first appearance of YHVH)"How can this be?! I have been destroyed by My own creations...But this is not the victory you may think it is... Since you have made your choice... I will leave you with these words. I am only a part of the entity that controls the endless cosmos. Within that space, My vast consciousness will recreate My body. This is not the end. You have chosen a difficult path...
>>739708504You are mistaking me for someone else.Anyway, if I will not change your mind then I would rather do something more productive. I'm not here to entertain your prideful ass. Either seek the light or be destroyed by it utterly. The choice is yours.
>>739701673It's a niche series that's why
>>739708379This whole ass thread is a monument to your self-righteousness. That and your retardation. You can eat my atheist cock and balls btw, everyone knows you christcucks are a bunch of closeted homesexuals.
>>739704510>You realize Jesus was persecuted and murdered by the Jews, right?He was murdered by the Romans.>Why would the Jews make themselves the bad guy in their own story?Because they were the ROMAN catholic church.
>>739705859>And who, pray tell, demanded that Romans do something about Jesus in the first place? The romans?How do you think Romans normally threat dissent? They didn't build e empire by slapping people on the wrist.
>>739705870>suddenly people start doing all the thingsWe had 2000 years without murder, theft, and rape?Damn, somebody should have told all the people who got murdered, raped, or had their property stolen.
>>739708845Sounds to me like you are projecting. All I'm trying to do is bring the light into the life of the Anons that so desperately need it, including you, for I was once like you. But for now I think you are too blinded by your pride to accept this offer. I sincerely hope that God will humble you in the near future, and that it won't be as painful as I predict.>>739708860By order of the pharisees...
>>739708772>Either believe what I believe or be destroyed utterly. The choice is yours.Playing god are we?, do you really think that if god inspected our souls the only thing he’d care about is wether I believed or not?Again, I’m convinced I’d get into heaven before your lousy immoral ass.
>>739707741>To you it's just a book. But have you ever considered how magical books really are? Trump is totally voldermort, anon.
>>739708057>The religion that rejects natural selection is the one best at itIf that isn't proof that there isn't a higher power out there with a sense of humour...
>>739709029John 19:12–16From then on, Pilate (a Roman) tried to set Jesus free, but the Jewish leaders kept shouting, "If you let this man go, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who claims to be a king opposes Caesar.”
>>739709137>By order of the pharisees...No? Do you realize Romans, not Pharisees, had final say, right? If they didn't want to murder him, they wouldn't have done it.
>>739709273>From unreliable propaganda made after the fact to make the Roman catholic church work.And again, they could have not killed Jesus. Pilate killed him.
>>739709281see: >>739704878
You guys need to learn the difference between Demons and Daemons.
>>739701673I am christian and I remember showing a friend I have (that is also christian) that Mary is literally a boss in SMT V.
>>739709345Pilate was the executioner and kikes were the judge and jury
>>739709446Revelations didn't help by naming some of the latter as some of the former
>>739706191>>739706956Original poster hereIt is precisely a belief that the cruelty and evil in the world is a natural part of it that pushes people towards Gnosticism.It is the belief that nature itself is savage and brutal alongside the evils in men's heart that is the problem.The core contrast from Christian belief is that instead of god making the world and it becoming corrupted by the Devil, its that the ostensible devil (yaldabaoth) made the world to keep everyone trapped for eternally to please his own ego and that you need to escape and rejoin god.
>>739709163I'm not playing God, I'm only quoting him.>do you really think that if god inspected our souls the only thing he’d care about is wether I believed or not?According to scripture, Christ is the only bridge that can lead to God. But let's assume for a second that he will judge you solely based on your works rather than your faith. So far you have judged me without merit. You have insulted me. You have told me to, and I quote: "eat your dick and balls." You act extremely prideful and hostile.You are NOT a good person. No decent person would treat his fellow brother or sister like this. You need Christ more than anything and you don't even realize it.
>>739701673one of the kinoest moments in vidya, fuck that bald head
>>739709453Not even the first time
>>739701673You've never actually read your book, have you?
>>739709462He was the executioner, he was the judge, and the jury. If he had said "No", Jesus would not have died.
>>739709776That doesn't make any sense. Executioners aren't judges nor part of the jury...
>>739709137>Sounds to me like you are projectingI’m just stating the facts. I’ve never met an atheist who was untruthful to me about their sexuality. Statistically and spiritually speaking you ARE a faggot and lying about it.>for I was once like youYou are getting that shit wrong, I was once like you (well, better than you as I wasn’t a cunt about god on the internet), in fact I loved studying my religion and others and I still do. I’m just never ever going back to it and it has nothing to do with the moral teachings of Jesus which as a catholic-raised person still follow. Not because there’s a god to punish me, but because of my own free will, There can be such thing as a virtuous material existence, but that’s something you’d never know about you fucking cuck.>I sincerely hope that God will humble youClassic Protestant filth, wishing evil onto their fellow men. That’s the sort of thing why heaven would fill up with Catholics before a single Protestant steps in it. I’m not kidding at all when I say I find you to be morally abhorrent.
>>739709876I...Are you genuinly this retarded or are you trolling? https://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/judge+jury+and+executioner.html#:~:text=If%20someone%20is%20said%20to,rid%20of%20whomever%20they%20choose.Read this in case you are the former.
>>739707669The problem of the pendulum is that when it backlashes against the people who rejected the things that make society work, idiots then go back to the lies that were stapled to the things that make society work.So, we see the excesses of the libertines fall off, the zealous puritans will rise, until the masses get tired of their excesses.
>>739709776>implying that the jews weren't using their leverage of threatening a chimpout to force his hand
>>739707637Not only do most JRPGs not end with killing God, most of them don't even end with the demiurge. It's usually just a big magic guy calling himself a god/kami who represents some sort of kind of primordial aspect but is not the origin of said force itself.
I Don't care whens the next megami tensei game that isn't fucking persona
>>739708003>evolution of religionThe way SJ used that concept to have old bosses power themselves up to an older, more primal form was the coolest shit.
>>739710028>well, better than you as I wasn’t a cunt about god on the internetI've been nothing but respectful to you, even though you have been hurling insult after insult at me this entire time.Also the fact that you consider humility as an "evil" speaks volumes about your character.I'm going to read now. Have a nice day.
Most of you fundamentally misunderstand what SMT is actually about. It is not some edgy teenage atheist fantasy about killing the Christian God.The games are deeply theological and based heavily on Gnosticism. When you fight "God" aka YHVH, you are not fighting the omnipotent loving creator of orthodox Christianity. You are fighting the Demiurge. Gnostics believed the material world was inherently flawed and created by an arrogant lesser god who falsely thought he was the supreme being. The actual True God (The Great Will or the Axiom in SMT) is an unknowable perfect entity. In early Christian Gnostic movements, Jesus was an emissary from the True God sent down to free humanity from the Demiurge's physical prison through hidden knowledge (gnosis). This view was incredibly popular among early Hebrews and exploded among the first Christians before the Church stamped it out as heresy. There is zero atheism involved here.Also, people here do not know basic Greek. The word "demon" comes from the ancient Greek "daimon". A daimon was not an evil monster. It was just a spirit or a lesser deity. They were neutral intermediary forces between mortals and gods. Early Christianity rebranded all pagan daimons as evil to wipe out the competition. SMT simply uses the original Greek definition. A "demon" is just any spiritual entity. That is why Archangel Michael, literal Satan, and a local fairy are all grouped together.Finally, Kaneko and the devs do not base their lore on Sunday school. They base it heavily on Jewish mysticism and Kabbalah, where the universe is a strict bureaucracy and God creates both light and darkness. They are also obsessed with the Japanese-Jewish common ancestry theory. This is a fringe historical theory claiming that ancient Israelites migrated to Japan and that ancient Shinto and Judaism are intrinsically linked. To the devs, the spiritual histories of the East and West operate under the exact same Kabbalistic system.
>>739710046That's an idiom... Besides, Pilate wasn't that so it's completely irrelevant.
>>739709602>No decent person would treat his fellow brother or sister like this.I’m not the one threatening destruction on random strangers. I’ve never once wished evil on my fellow man either. You are just reaping what you sow, you are just to self-righteous to see it. >You need Christ more than anything and you don't even realize it.I do have Christ, he did exist as a flesh and blood man that did and say some really cool stuff I do give a shit about. I just don’t buy into your fucking tulpa.>So far you have judged me without merit.I’ve read this thread tho and let me tell you, god would be sad.>You have told me to, and I quote: "eat your dick and ballsYe I did ;)
>>739701673It exists because sensitive people should be ignored. If you're offended you're probably in the wrong. "man up" or "suck it up" should be the response to "I'm offended".
>>739709137buddy i like morbidly obese fox girls.unless your god is willing to make girls with big fluffy tails and big appetites real, there is no light for me in this world.
>>739710565Again, I am not threatening destruction. I am not God. I am trying to save you from that very destruction by teaching you about Christ...Only God can judge me and knows what's in my heart. If I have been acting self-righteously then may my sin be upon my own shoulders.Now if you'll excuse me, my tea and book are waiting on me. Christ be with you, Anon.
>>739710435To understand why Hebrews and early Christians ate up Gnostic ideas, you have to look at the world they lived in.During the Second Temple period, the Jewish people were constantly getting conquered and brutalized by empires like Babylon and Rome. They had to ask themselves a hard question. If their God was perfect and all powerful, why was his world so terrible and why were his chosen people suffering so much?They started mixing their theology with Greek philosophy to find an answer. Taking a page from Plato's idea, famously known as the Theory of Forms, they concluded the physical world was inherently broken and ruled by ignorant lesser angels or archons. The true divine was distant, entirely spiritual, and perfect.When Christianity started, this view exploded because it fixed a massive plot hole in the scripture. Early Christians had to reconcile the Old Testament with the New Testament. The God of the Old Testament was wrathful, ordered genocides, and was obsessed with strict physical laws. Then Jesus shows up talking about a completely different, loving, entirely spiritual Father who is beyond this world.Gnosticism gave them the perfect answer. The Old Testament God was the Demiurge, an arrogant lower entity who created a flawed material prison and demanded blind obedience. Jesus was sent by the actual True God, the Greek's Monad, to give humans the hidden knowledge to escape the Demiurge's system.SMT reflects this exact theological crisis perfectly. The games always present the physical world as a cursed, ruined battleground. The Law alignment is the Old Testament Demiurge system in action. It demands absolute submission and strips away human free will in exchange for a sterile, authoritarian peace. When SMT makes you choose between the tyrannical rule of YHVH, the chaotic rebellion of Lucifer, or humanity forging its own neutral path, it is translating a 1st century religious debate straight into RPG mechanics.
>>739710642The desires of the flesh will never make you happy and are temporary at best and destructive at worst.
>>739701673Great Will is supposed to be God, not YHVH.
>>739710046>using English dot comPilate was the governor and while he did indeed have the authority to sentence Jesus to crucifixion, he washed his hands of it. Matthew 27:24When Pilate saw that he could not prevail, but rather that a tumult was beginning, he took water and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, “I am innocent of the blood of this just person. See ye to it.”Mark 15: 13-15Crucify him!” they shouted.14 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”15 Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged, and handed him over to be crucified.Luke 23:4-5So Pilate said to the chief priests and the crowd, “I find no fault in this Man.”5 But they were the more fierce, saying, “He stirs up the people, teaching throughout all Judea, beginning from Galilee to this place.”John 18:38-40What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him. 39 But it is your custom for me to release to you one prisoner at the time of the Passover. Do you want me to release ‘the king of the Jews’?”40 They shouted back, “No, not him! Give us Barabbas!” Now Barabbas had taken part in an uprising.
I don't think arguing about religion or trying to convert people on 4chan is a good use of time.
>>739710813Nothing better in life than a good work out, nutting in my wife, and a good beer.You sound like the kind of weiner who cries at sunsets lmao.
>>739710813whats destructive about wanting to cuddle a fat girl with a tail that can be used as a blanket?please, im eager for you to explain
>>739701673It's just cool to recruit a bunch of angels and devils and go around with a machine gun killing everything in your path. SMT isn't even a story heavy series in the first place. Any modern Sony exclusive is at least 100x more blasphemous than any SMT game.
>>739701673YHVH is what the crazy fat preacher thinks the christian god is, punishing the preacher's personal enemies with torture and allowing the preacher to do anything because he prayed for salvation and had his sins forgiven. In short how humans misperceive God, and then pray to their own delusions.Great Will is abrahamic god. You are often his messiah.
>>739710343>I've been nothing but respectful to you, even though you have been hurling insult after insult at me this entire time.Here’s another: you are an absolute retard, a complete buffoon and babbling imbecile for thinking evolution ain’t real. Tell me, was it god or the devil that buried dinosaur bones just to fuck with the faithful according to you?>Also the fact that you consider humility as an "evil" speaks volumes about your character.What a lack of self-awareness, you are nothing BUT prideful. That’s why petty insults even bother you and why I’ll keep at it. God’s not gonna humble you but I sure as hell am gonna. Thank me later cuck.>I'm going to read now. Have a nice day.Next time stay in /x/ where you belong.
>>739710435It's kind of sketchy if the Axiom is actually the Great Will or just another YHVH avatar the way there were multiple avatars in SMT II, with greater favor from the Will at the immediate moment. The Massacre/Law/Chaos endings certainly don't feel like something Big G' would condone if He was the platonic Monad, which appears to be what Mastema refers to in vanilla IV.
>>739710435This, anything that represents lillith in any category is strictly Jewish kabbalistic gnostic mythicism.
>>739710892Soon you will be too old to work out, nut in your wife, or enjoy a good beer. What then?
>>739708398no one here plays videogames/v/ is just sfw /b/
>>739708281Yeah well, once again, Christians should mind their own fucking business.
>>739710758Weren’t you gonna read?, what the hell are you doing still bothering me with your pathetic replies?>then may my sin be upon my own shoulders. Finally some sense at last!We’ll all get what’s coming to us, one way or another, virtuous or not.
>>739711274No I won't. I have a 6 pack near 40 and I'll be fit until I die barring major illness. If I do become infirm I'll play games and drink beer while she blows me. There's always a way.Worst case I enjoyed my life way more than weiners who read a book then sit and stand and sing while a dude in a dress preaches at them lol.
>>739710892I like crying at sunsets and drunken sex after a workoutyou're both retarded
>>739701673Fuck that nigger, he got my foreskin cut off.
>>739711532Men don't cry at shit like that. I don't care what bullshit they told your generation about real men crying. I would never look at you the same way if you did that shit in front of me.If that shit was "toxic masculinity" then society needs some poison.
>>739710791If you want to understand why Tokyo gets nuked or swallowed by a vortex in basically every game, look at how the devs use the Japanese-Jewish ancestry theory. They do not just think the myths are historically linked. They actively write Japan as the new Israel and the Japanese as the new Chosen People.Just like Jerusalem in the scriptures, Tokyo becomes the cosmic center constantly facing divine judgment. The devs wrap this up in a Gnostic framework where YHVH acts as a tyrannical Demiurge trying to enforce absolute Law. But this is not just about trauma from World War II or anxieties about western influence. It is a massive critique of their own internal history.Long before any US involvement, Japan had its own homegrown oppressive systems. You had an Emperor literally worshipped as a living god and an incredibly rigid government bureaucracy that demanded absolute conformity. The Law alignment in SMT is not just the western God. It is a direct mirror of Imperial Japan and its crushing demand for blind obedience to the state.This is exactly why Taira no Masakado is such a massive figure in the franchise. Historically, Masakado was a samurai who rebelled against the central imperial court in Kyoto. In SMT, he is the guardian deity of Tokyo. He is the ultimate symbol of local resistance against an arrogant central authority.By framing Tokyo as the new holy land and elevating a historical rebel like Masakado, the games let the player reject both foreign gods and their own oppressive history. It is a way to process the rigid nature of Japanese society and forge a truly independent path.
>>739711382>Said clans who massacred the Christians ended up massacred in turn by the pagan empire they were rebelling against when a potential ally who could had aided in preserving their independence with the modern tools gifted to them by the Christians existed a few islands awaythey tried to warn them bro
So is the retard gone?What do you anons think he’s reading?, likely not the bible imho.
>>739701673Shut up jew
>>739702990>why would anyone willingly do that lmaoFounding Fathers
>>739701673YHVH isn't the actual NT God though.
>>739701673You can follow a religion and be willing to ingest media that criticises it. Zealotry is an unhealthy and deeply dangerous way of thinking. The fact you’re having a melty about YHVH in SMT should alarm you that you have an unhealthy relationship with religion.
>>739711767Washington needed the Masons for their skills, he didn't buy into their occultism.
>>739711226The Axiom is not an avatar of YHVH. It is the exact opposite. The Axiom is the true supreme force of the universe. YHVH is just a lesser manifestation who hijacked the system to trick everyone into worshipping him. The Axiom actively empowers humanity to overthrow YHVH in Apocalypse because YHVH is suppressing human potential.You are also applying standard Christian morality to an abstract cosmic entity. You claim the Axiom would not "condone" the 'Massacre' or 'Chaos' endings. The Axiom is not a guy in the sky judging right from wrong. It is a passive source of all existence. It gave humanity the power of 'Observation' so they could shape reality through their own will. The Axiom allows all these endings because it wants humanity to decide its own fate. In the 'Massacre' route, you are returning all the old gods back into the Axiom and freeing humanity from relying on them. This perfectly fits the universe's mechanics. Also, Mastema in vanilla IV is not referring to the abstract platonic Monad. Mastema serves YHVH. His entire goal in that game is to scheme against the four Archangels so he can be God's favorite servant. He is just a middle manager playing office politics.Stop trying to force monotheistic logic onto a Gnostic framework.
>>739711681Wow, I’d never thought about the role of Masakado in this franchise that way. To me he always seemed kind of random.What other wisdom about the games’ themes do you hold anon?
>>739711659I'm in my 30s, I have a gf who wouldn't tolerate any gay shit and values my masculinity.Nothing wrong with crying at extremely sublime moments that only come once in a lifetime, if you've been to the maldives or the caribbean after spending your whole life in a shithole or witnessing the great migration, or some architectural marvel you've dreamt of seeing in the flesh for decadesI'm not even a particularly cultured or refined person but I can't imagine going through life never being overcome and overwhelmed by wonder and joy at the beauty of the world
>>739711859>asukafags are filthy hereticsI always knew it.
>>739712001nigga you gay
>>739712162you should read a book or whateveryou probably think eating salad or knowing the names of trees and birds is gay tooluckily most men like you end up dying fighting for jews in the desert or on construction sites lol
>>739712097>Being open to criticism and dissent makes you a hereticYep, This is why people don’t like religion.
>>739711659Idk, I think you should be mindful of the media you consume and the possible effects it can have on your belief structure. If you are going to commit your life to Christ and put Him first, that's going to come with a lot of consideration for how the life your living conforms to that commitment. That said I'm not saying don't play SMT, but just be aware you're playing a fictional video game, and not some authentic representation of Christianity.
>>739710813>>739710909>no responseas usual, christcucks are defeated by simple questions
>>739712339You could gain the whole world, but you will always be left wanting.
>>739712339You kind of lose me with the "tail you can use as a blanket" part, but having a romantic committed relationship to 1 human woman is fine.
>>739712339just get in the oven already
Lolicon is pedophilia.I won't be going through my whole testimony regarding God showing me how what I'm about to say to you is true, but just know it is and this is the way it works and makes complete sense.Jesus once said that you can be a murder or adulterer at heart even if you never actually committed the act itself. It's enough for you to harbor hate within your soul for a brother for it to be considered murder, and it's enough for you to look at another woman with lust when you're married and imagine having sex with her or all manner of things like that instead of your wife for you to be considered and adulterer.The same logic applies to anyone who engages with and jerks it to "fictional" depictions of children getting fucked. It may not be real, but for you, in your soul, it is. You have still committed the act of pedophilia in your soul purely for the fact that you have willingly allowed yourself to engaged with and entertain such thoughts instead of shooing them away.You will publicly make statements about how "real" CP and pedophilia is bad, yet in private, you jerk it to "fictional" and despite knowing, or at least saying that pedophilia is bad, you still allow yourself to get pleasure from that, because you fool yourself into believing that if it's not real and you don't "hurt anyone" it doesn't actually hurt you or it isn't bad. You are a hypocrite on top of being a pedophile as well.The punishment may not be as harsh as if you actually raped a real child, but there will still be a punishment for it nonetheless since you are still a pedophile, if not one in the legal sense, you are still one in the spiritual sense, and you will have to ultimately answer for it.You NEED to repent of this vile deed, ask Christ to forgive you and then accept Him as your Lord as Savior, so that He may help break this addiction away from you.
>>739712001NTA, but I recommend Prague. Also Switzerland and the northern Alps as a whole. Some of the most beautiful landscapes I’ve seen in my entire life. I also recommend the Atlas Mountains in Morocco. They are not as beautiful as the Alps but they have something TRULY grandiose about them.I’m hoping I’ll get to travel to Svalbard for work some day, I hope to witness the aurora then. I’m from southern Europe, so I’ve never seen it other than in photos and video.
>>739712612>THOUGHT. CRIMES. ARE. REAL. CHUD!lol nope sorry.
you guys know that god shit is fake right
>>739712714You don't think the thoughts you harbor everyday influence your decision making?
>>739704760>i wipe my assHow? Indians such as yourself are known for never doing it (likely because they don't know how to).
>>739712612Is this pasta?, not that I don’t agree with Loli being pedo, but is this pasta?
>>739712758nope
>>739704379>slow to anger>will forgive youYou know, I'd believe there is some entity at the source of creation, some chaotic energy that exploded into everything, but treating god as a guy that gets angry is top level daddy issues. Imaginary friend tier
>>739711986When you stop to think about Masakado in these games, his figure acts as the exact equivalent of Jesus Christ, filtered through Japanese history and Gnosticism.In Gnostic Christianity, Jesus is a rebel. He is sent to free humanity from the Demiurge, who Gnostics identified with the god of the Old Testament. This Demiurge created the material world and issued strict laws like the Ten Commandments. Jesus brings a new path of liberation and sacrifices his physical body to grant salvation.The developers take that theological blueprint and apply it to their "New Jerusalen" of Tokyo using Taira no Masakado. Historically, Masakado was a samurai in the Heian period who led an uprising against the central government in Kyoto. He captured territory in the Kanto region and proclaimed himself the "New Emperor". He was killed and his head was taken to Kyoto, but legends say it flew away to the area that later became Tokyo, where he became regarded as a demigod by locals.In the games, Masakado fulfills the same role as the Gnostic Jesus. The Law faction and YHVH represent the crushing bureaucracy that demands total submission. When the forces of YHVH launch ICBMs to wipe out Tokyo in SMT IV, Masakado literally fuses himself with a human to create a massive ceiling over the city. He turns his body into the Firmament to shield the people of Tokyo from the missiles. Just like Christ, he gives up his physical form to save his people.This contrast is clear in Kazuma Kaneko's art. When Kaneko designs angels, he gives them a robotic and mechanical aesthetic. They look like unfeeling cogs in YHVH's cosmic machine. Masakado is the opposite. He is entirely human, driven by fierce organic emotions. He empowers you to reject the alien machinery of heaven and walk your own human path.
>>739712758Weren’t you reading?, came back after your tea?, you really have too much free time cucky.
>>739712714There's two types of religious posters on /v/>Baitposters>Spanish CatholicsThat's it that's all of the kinds
In the name of Jesus Christ, I rebuke whatever demons have gotten a grasp onto the people in this thread to cause them act out in the ways they do and I command their demons to be bound and silenced in the mighty name of Jesus, so that everyone in this thread may have time to calm down, sit with themselves and their own thoughts alone for a while and not be hurting as they are and lashing out in anger as they do against you, God.In the name of Christ, this shall be done, for I have asked it in His name, so it shall be done, and the demons that have a hold of these people will be bound, gagged and silenced for a period of time, so that they may have peace and silence for a little while. Amen.Seek Christ out and He will save you from all this anger, bitterness and miserable way of living.
>>739701673SMT is occultism/agnosticism for slightly above average IQ retards, barely surface level shit with a lot of embarassing premises and assumptions.>Satan/Lucifer just wants freedom for Humanity!The ultimate goal his Humanity's destruction, the promise of freedom is bait, Humanity is inherently sinfull and will fall into self-destruction when given true freedom.Satan's grievance is the creation of Humanity, it is jealous of another one of God's creations, and so he seeks to destroy it.>God is like a demon!>If you stop believing/fearing him, he loses his powerThis is the same trap as declaring that "G*d is dead", you are not actually "killing" him, instead you are guaranteeing your own demise, dooming yourself into a Godless reality, that is to say, you disconnect from God (as if he was dead) forfeiting the life beyond, basically you become nothing but your body and you will cease to exist the moment you die.
>>739712758You think the thought in my head were put there by god?, that’s not very free will of you to say.
>>739712612I agree with you brother, and it tortures me everyday having sinful thoughts in my head about other women and about killing people I hate
>>739712776>Is this pasta?No. I wrote that out in another thread and reposted it here. It's all true.
>>739712490>>739712564so you're never allowed to desire.you do understand that this is exactly what the jews want, right?they want you to want nothing, for you to be fine living in the pod and eating bugs so that they can take it all for themselves
>>739712957I never said God put those thoughts in there, I said your thoughts that you entertain all day everyday are going to effect the habits of what you do and ultimately the kind of person you are.
>>739712929>BaitpostersSpanish catholic over hereYou are giving them too much credit.
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>>739712650I've been to Switzerland, incredible. I always wanted to go to Jordan/Morroco to see the red deserts but I haven't ticked that off yet. In Europe, Cologne cathedral and Ceaușescu's palace in Romania made a huge impression on me. I also dream of seeing an aurora but it's extremely hard to base a trip around it. I was lucky enough to see the exumas / eleuthera and I can't imagine anything ever topping that. Maybe the cook islands or some shit if I win the lottery
>>739712934Nigga, were lashing out against you, but then again, you do think you’re god.
>>739713041Buddhists say that desire is the root of all suffering for a reason, Anon. Aren't all sins rooted in desire after all?
>>739704379>>walk my own path for years>>indulge in all the pleasures of the flesh>>at the end of this path was nothing but darkness>>realize God's commandments are there for my own goodHold on a second, this sounds a lot like a woman moment.>Fuck around and whore yourself to the max>Years pass by and the need for a more stable life arises>Settles down if a beta provider
>>739702442I would just like you to know that in the end you will end up in hell and have your anus fucked by demons until it falls out, sometimes 3-5 demon cocks at once and then it will reknit itself and it will happen again, this is your fat as well as what has been happening to Charlie Kirk since his death.
>>739713202The story of the prodigal son predates "woman moment" by quite a long time bud
>>739712943Nigga actually play the games before you talk about it. Yahweh in SMT lore is no different from any other demon because he's not the supreme deity but only a demiurge. The series has more to do with gnosticism than Judeo-Christianity,
>>739713285>fatfate, but I guess the Lord wanted me to know you are also fat
>>739713192unrestricted desire, yes. but your religion wants you to desire nothing and to be happy with nothing more than the bare minimum.to never strive for greatness.
>>739713150It’s the Galapagos for me, if I ever do get that scholarship.
>>739712878If your children started doing bad shit like, oh, you know, casting literal kids into the fire of a false God, would you not get upset? Why would God remain apathetic at the sight of such horrors? That would only be possible if He didn't love us.
>>739713285Nta but I rebuke your words in the name of The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit
>>739712001I'm in my late 30s, haven't cried in about 25 years, simply will never cry in front of my woman end of story. I can't imagine being moved to tears by a fucking building.
>>739713375I saw a good flight deal there once and got tempted but I think it's the kind of place you need to organise a load of tours for and plan properly to get the most out of it. Definitely richfag tier but would be incredible.
>>739713068And how does that have to do with god being fake?, he’s not getting any faker regardless of what I think.
>>739713202The difference is that I'm not expecting anyone to carry my burdens except for God.
>>739713192That's just rebranded 1 Timothy 6>10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows
>>739711931Not Christian morality, Platonic morality which is what the Kabbalah uses as reference for the benchmark for divinity, that itself is used as the foundation for SMT's cosmology as far back as the first game adapting Digital Devil Story and gets referenced in III, V, and the later Personal games. What makes God, God is the fact He is the literal ideal, perfect form of a conscious being, making Him the true path toward enlightenment (if not the concept of enlightenment itself given consciousness.) Take that away from Him, and he is a charlatan no different from the other polythestic demons and human wannabe-gods like the throne holders; both the Axiom and YHVH are shown to be unable to lead humanity to the end-goal of the biblical Millennial Kingdom nor the Gnostic Pleroma that are both stand-ins for enlightenment, in that respect the Axiom feels closer to Kagutsuchi in III in that it functions to endow someone with a driving reason the ability to enact their vision of the world on reality, one which has the potential to find the Will, where YHVH was attempting to cut the knot by destroying humanity's autonomy (which is what Kagutsuchi also preferred as a method of "enlightening" humanity, but unlike YHVH can be convinced to act otherwise, sticking to the Great Will's plan.)
>>739713449>I can't imagine being moved to tears by a fucking building.You're like the closeted dad in american beauty. at some point you will breakdown in tears and have some big cathartic blubber with your friend
>>739713468That’s why I want to go there as part of a scholarship, it would be paid research work too which would be an incredible opportunity for me.
>>739712881The devs basically fused Gnostic theology, Japanese occultism, and the Nichiyu Doso Ron.The Nichiyu Doso Ron is the Japanese-Jewish common ancestry theory. It posits that the lost tribes of Israel migrated to ancient Japan and heavily influenced early Shinto. Modern Japanese fringe conspiracy books take this further by claiming the Yatagarasu is not just a mythical bird, but an ancient shadow network of spies protecting the Imperial family. These spies supposedly descend from those Israeli tribes and use secret Kabbalah rituals to manipulate the country from the background.The Raidou games make this fringe literature canon. Raidou literally works for the Yatagarasu. This cements a massive lore revelation for the entire franchise. If the Emperor's secret police are a Kabbalistic shadow organization, then the native Japanese Amatsukami and the angels of YHVH are part of the exact same divine bureaucracy. The Imperial system is functionally the earthly avatar of the Demiurge enforcing the Law alignment. The Emperor's "divine right" is just YHVH's suffocating demand for absolute universal order.This context changes everything about Taira no Masakado and how the games adapt the famous occult novel Teito Monogatari. In that book, the villain tries to summon Masakado's angry spirit to destroy the Imperial capital precisely because Masakado famously led a rebellion against the Emperor during his life.SMT flips this premise to elevate Masakado into a Gnostic savior. In a universe where the Emperor is backed by the Demiurge's Kabbalistic shadow government, Masakado's historical rebellion transcends politics. He becomes the ultimate Neutral champion fighting an oppressive cosmic system. He rejects the absolute control of heaven and gives the people of Tokyo the freedom to forge their own destiny.
>>739713010Not every single thought that goes through your heard is your own. Especially stuff like that which you clearly hate and don't wish to entertain.It comes from specific demons who have been stalking you ever since you came into existence. Your whole life up to now and until you die they will continue to study you so that may understand exactly how you work, think and everything else that there is to know about you so that they can better know how to deceive and torment you.With all that knowledge they have of you and note they wrote down for themselves, they whisper things into your ear that you brain then processes as your own thoughts, but on a spiritual level, you're still aware of the fact that something's not quite "right" about said thoughts, which is true, because they are not your own. They may seem like it in the moment, because, as I said, the demons know how to plant some form of suggestion into your mind that feels like it comes from you, cause they know how to replicate the way you might say or think up of said idea.The moment you come to realize that, and accept the fact that not everything that comes and goes through your head is from yourself alone, it will become just a bit easier to defend yourself against. And one of the best ways to defend against said thoughts is to call on the name of Jesus, then command said thoughts to be silenced, or to leave your head, or even just directly command whatever demon out there that might be putting said thoughts in your head to be silenced and put away, so that you may have peace of mind. Christ gave you the authority to do all these things, as long as you ask of it in His name, and when you do, all will be compelled to listen and do as instructed.If you need those thoughts to go away and not torment you as often, command them to go out in the name of Jesus Christ every single time they pressure you, and they will leave. Maybe not instantly, but they will eventually subside.
>>739713363Greatness only comes from taming your inner beast, and that comes from within. Why do you desire to desire? Why do you not wish to be happy with the bare minimum? Do you really want your happiness to be dependent on things outside of yourself?
>>739702442atheist will see the post, pause their nintendo switch 2, vape, start tipying furiously as you revealed them as mindless consumers and then try to relax by jacking off to interracial porn+1 point if tattoos+1 point if they drink alcohol+1 point if they have a ssri prescription or any kind of mental drug in general+1 point if they smoke weed+1 point if they believe in retarded shit like horoscope, tarot, magic, gnosticism or other supernatural systems after just discarding oneTruly for most of the people leaving religion creates a void to be filled with junk.
>>739713514And Titus 3:3At one time we too were foolish, disobedient, misled and enslaved to all sorts of desires and pleasures. We lived in malice and envy, being hated and hating one another."
>>739713664the men that desired more built the first world.the men that were content with the bare minimum built... africa.im sure you can choose the right path, yes?
>>739713714Indeed. I just wanted to show Anon that the wise across the entire globe have come to the same conclusion for a very good reason.
>>739701673its gnosticism which is an entirely different religion from Christianity
>>739713010>>739713638Not even kidding, doing the sign of the cross can and will help you. The saints called it a weapon and shield for a reason"In all our travels and movements, in all our coming in and going out, in putting on our shoes, at the bath, at the table, in lighting our candles, in lying down, in sitting down, whatever employment occupies us, we mark our foreheads with the sign of the cross."
>>739713760It doesn't matter, for all of man's creations will be blown away like the sands of the desert, but the kingdom of God will last forever.
>>739702442is that why you vote for pedophiles
So you guys saying Jews are the main enemy of Smt and that the games revolve around an angry samurai fighting a Jewish and Gnostic demiurge?
>>739713782Except buddhism ultimately preaches what every other religion than Christianity does, being that you have to trust in your deeds to save you, not in Jesus Christ1 John 2>22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
>>739713530You are still confusing the Demiurge with the Monad and misinterpreting how Kabbalah maps onto SMT's specific cosmology.In Kabbalah, the ultimate divine source is the Ein Sof, which literally translates to "the infinite" or "the endless". It is completely incomprehensible and beyond any human concept of consciousness or Platonic morality. In the SMT universe, the Axiom represents the Ein Sof. It is the Gnostic Monad. It is not a conscious guy sitting on a throne making moral judgments.Your premise is that if you take away the "literal ideal" from God, he is a charlatan no different from other polytheistic demons. The games completely agree with you. That is the exact plot of SMT IV Apocalypse. Nanashi uses the power of 'Observation' to strip YHVH of his absolute status, proving that YHVH was never the true 'Creator'. He was just a lesser emanation, the Demiurge, who hijacked the system and demanded worship. The game literally proves he is a charlatan human wannabe god.Furthermore, you claim the Axiom fails to lead humanity to the Millennial Kingdom. The Axiom is not trying to lead anyone there. The Millennial Kingdom is not enlightenment. It is YHVH's specific authoritarian win state where human autonomy is completely lobotomized. The Axiom opposes YHVH precisely because YHVH tries to freeze the universe and destroy human potential to preserve his own absolute control.Your comparison to Kagutsuchi is also backwards. Kagutsuchi is not the Axiom. Kagutsuchi is just a terminal or avatar functioning within the Great Will's system to facilitate the rebirth of a single world. Kagutsuchi runs a specific program. The Axiom is the entire operating system. YHVH tried to make himself the only user and delete everyone else's admin privileges, which is exactly why the Axiom empowers humanity to factory reset him.
>>739713880I don't vote at all
Who here has even read Demian
>>739713873i offer two questions then.the first:anything that can be dismissed with "it doesnt matter" can be asserted with "it doesnt matter"if it truly doesnt matter then SHOULDNT we create a better world for future generations?and the second:if you truly believe such, then you should free yourself from modern luxuries. live with as little as possible in the smallest possible living space.no internet access electronics, you do not need them.why have you not done so?
>>739713542Every weak man assumes everyone is like them. I've been hearing your speech for like 20 years. Even if my wife died I'd cry in private if I had to. No one will ever see it. I don't believe anyone can see a man cry and not think less of him.
>>739713564yeah that would be an incredible experience
I'm slowly moving from evangelical protestant into catholic, I visited the local church and one of the priests gave me this among a handful of other books. I'm quite excited to start OCIA this fall
>>739713449Not to tears maybe, but ironically you gotta be blunt as a stone not to appreciate a truly impressive building, like Saint Peter’s basilica. That shit was so impressive to medieval men that they would not only cry, they’d convert on the spot. So yeah, maybe as it turns out your tougher than your ancestors, good for you but I’d rather let my mind be in awe and my heart wander at the sight of these things like theirs did.In my opinion, being this masculine is a very modern kind of attitude. If you are cool with it then that’s fine and not my business, but really it’s very artificial, a learned thing rather than a natural one. You really don’t need to try this hard to be manly, I’ve never tried at all and I feel perfectly manly.
>>739713941In my experience, you can't just throw verses at the unbelievers and expect them to see the truth. First they have to recognize the fact that walking after the flesh is a cursed path that will never satisfy the soul.
>>739714093then why shouldnt we*the point still stands.
>>739714108>weak menbeing insecure about droplets of salty water escaping the corner of your eye is the opposite of what you perceive as a strong man
>>739714262That's a fair point but even so, we gotta do our best and hope the Lord reaches them
>>739714018I did. Why?
>>739713935Because the developers treat the Japanese-Jewish common ancestry theory as historical fact in their worldbuilding, the modern Japanese population are the direct descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. That means Tokyo is literally the new Jerusalem and the Japanese are Chosen People.The conflict is not Japan versus the Jews. The conflict is the Chosen People being oppressed by an authoritarian false god. YHVH is acting as the Gnostic Demiurge, treating Japan the exact same way the Old Testament god treated ancient Israel. He subjects them to constant divine judgment, apocalyptic wars, and demands absolute blind obedience.
>>739713449>I'm in my late 30s, haven't cried in about 25 years, simply will never cry in front of my woman end of story.You are strong because you numb yourself to certain feelings?That only makes you a coward.
>>739714262First you'd have to prove that, and you can't. Materialism correlates with higher life satisfaction.
>>739705228Fuck that's hot
>>739714475Most if not all contemporary studies show the exact opposite actually...
>>739712881My, I thought there was way less Gnosticism and way more Buddhism in these games. To think he gets such small roles in the actual games. Wish we someday got a game focused on that. Maybe one where we play as a reincarnation of Masakado? (Though maybe IV counts?)
>>739707483They're bad even with their faith. You should judge them by their fruits.In theory they claim to be like Jesus Christ, but in practice they're disgusting, dishonest, immoral, impulsive, selfish, hypocritical, and corrupt like Trump, Hesgeth, Paxton. That's precisely why they vote for bad people.Do not believe in the "transformed by jesus" stuff for a second. Jesus is a nice guy, but none of them follow him and use him as an excuse for their shitty behavior towards others. They just got psychosis from having undiagnosed OCD with porn.
when is the tradlarper trend going to end brehs
>>739703367it's because of the fact that it's foreign that it's used so often in media. if they want to make media with spiritual themes but don't want to piss off the Japanese for not portraying Shinto/Buddhism correctly, then they just use Christian symbolism instead because it's not going to offend anyone (that they care about). Anno talks about this and it's why Evangelion is full of Christian symbolism instead of Buddhist. although SMT has lots of Japanese spirituality in it too so I suppose they just don't give a fuck either way.
>>739714475>you'd have to prove that, and you can't.all those millionaires and even billionaires being insufferable and miserable defeat your point; if the correlation you suggest was real, we'd be seeing the opposite, but we don't. the grass is always greener on the other side caught on as a saying for a reason - carnal desires are implacable
>>739701673yahweh is not even the one true god and thats a fact. he's the demiurge or namely he is actually the demiurge's archon "son" yao the sun god who was put in charge after the demiurge said fuck it im bored now
>>739714660Romans 7:15-20 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[a] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.This man had a personal encounter with Christ that changed him drastically, and still he battles with sin, we are all sick, we all fall short, and we all could stand to give more grace. It's a big reason why I'm so put off by evangelicalism pretending that "since I met Christ I just don't have a sin problem anymore"
>>739714740you should move to africa in that case
>>739714740>see the billionaires are miserable! that means you need to live in a pod and eat bugs (which is what the billionaires want)! GOD SAID SO!!!!fuck off
>>739702113But that’s real life.
>>739714108you're fucking pathetic.
>>739714841>materialism makes everyone happier>but it doesn't>SO WHAT!?!? GOD ISNT REAL!We call this the motte and bailey
>>739714903NO NO NOOOOO YOU NEED TO LIVE IN A POD AND EAT BUGS NOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!! OR ELSE YOU'RE A DEMONIC EVIL HORRIBLE PERSON!!!!!!!
>>739714093>if it truly doesnt matter then SHOULDNT we create a better world for future generations?Why do you think building gaudy buildings will make the world a better place? Anyway, I believe the people who built the impressive cathedrals did so to glorify God, not out of their own selfish desires.>why have you not done so?For years I have considered living like a hermit, somewhere in a cabin away from civilization. But I don't think that's realistic. All land is owned and I would not be left alone by the government, and for now I lack the means to purchase any land.And the internet is but a tool, like a big, electronic library. I've chosen to be a candle in this dark, mysterious digital wasteland. But I admit that I'm also addicted to it. I'm not perfect, after all.
>>739714836non sequitur>>739714841yeah fuck off to whoever you're quoting too, but not sure what that has to do with what I said
>>739713389If god does exist, he is nothing like any scriptures we’ve cooked up and certainly doesn’t love us, at least any more than he loves the birds, the insects and any sort of life form that might be out there.We are so small. We aren’t his children and our behaviour is so very below him it would be like caring about the morals of individual bacteria. Nothing you could ever do could possibly truly upset god. You could blow up the planet and god still wouldn’t care.
>>739714362All we can do is preach without judgment and pray with unconditional love.
>>739714186Yeah I say "wow that's a nice building right there" then I move on. I certainly don't fall to my knees weeping over a bunch of bricks lmao. I promise you I'm not trying that hard, and if it's artificial it's something we shouldn't have lost. Maybe Gen Z would actually be pairing off.>>739714284That's the current ideas about the matter yes. I disagree and on some level so does everyone you've ever cried in front of. >>739714465You don't have to be numb to retain control.>>739714882Not according to our instincts. Put me beside a crying man and ask everyone who is pathetic.
>>739714820>why I'm so put off by evangelicalism pretending that "since I met Christ I just don't have a sin problem anymore"yeah this "either sinless perfection or you're not saved" stuff is abhorrent. Reminds me of Matthew 23:>3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. 4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
>>739713389I don't believe in God, but for a moment let's say he's real. if he's upset about anything we're doing it must not be bad enough for him to come down and do anything about it
>>739714740Poorfag having a sour grapes moment kek
>>739714625Buddhism is definitely in the games, but it is mostly just flavor for specific factions. The actual mechanical foundation of the SMT multiverse is strictly Gnostic and Kabbalistic. The developers take Japanese Shinto mythology and completely rewrite it to fit this exact Jewish framework.In actual Shinto myth, the heavenly gods called the Amatsukami conquered the earthly gods called the Kunitsukami to establish the Japanese empire. SMT filters this through the Japanese-Jewish common ancestry theory, claiming the native heavenly gods of Japan are just another branch of the Demiurge's authoritarian bureaucracy enforcing the Law alignment. The earthly Kunitsukami become the marginalized indigenous demons who lost their land to this oppressive cosmic system. The entire Japanese creation myth is dragged into the Gnostic struggle. As for playing a Masakado reincarnation, SMT IV is exactly what you are looking for. Flynn is not the reincarnation of Masakado himself, but he is the literal reincarnation of the unnamed Counter Demon Force member from Tokyo's past who sacrificed his life alongside Masakado to create the Firmament.Past Flynn gave his energy to Masakado to stop YHVH from hitting the reset button on Japanese people (the Chosen People) and nuking the city. Because Flynn carries the soul of the man who helped build the dome, Masakado recognizes him. Flynn steps into Masakado's shoes to finish the job in the modern era. When you play the Neutral route, Flynn and Masakado team up again to remove the dome and unite the people of Tokyo against both Lucifer and the angels. You are basically playing the second coming of Tokyo's Gnostic savior.
>>739701673I have fake christian/catholic convert fatigue
>>739702042>>739702894same shit
>>739713956The problem with IV:A is that all of the endings except for arguably the Bonds (if you accept SMT III's explanation that demons never had full free will to begin with the way humans do, and that Dagda was never human unlike what his original mythology implies under some interpretations) one require the player to override someone's will the way YHVH has been attempting on a global, temporal scale. An exception perhaps, a mistake. Perfect beings do not make mistakes.Therefore, it makes more sense that the Axiom is a cosmic entity with incomprehensibly more permissions to act in His name than YHVH, but is still one short of the true Monad acting on incomplete information. Will Nanashi facilitate Pleroma? The verdict given the circumstances he made to get to the throne (especially under Massacre) are varying degrees of sketchy, but it's more likely than letting YHVH sit on it for a picosecond longer.
>>739714475I am walking and talking proof that materialism doesn't do anything except disappoint.
>>739715163You'd love Habakkuk
>>739713389If I'm God then I'm omnipotent so if I wanted I can simply make that not happen and reverse time to prevent it and resurrect anyone killed. Nothing stops me from doing this. I can do ANYTHING.>b-b-but free willSounds like the big G's problem. He could stop it but doesn't want to.All bad stuff is God's fault because God could prevent it. Refusal to help is in itself a choice with malice.
>>739715310who got cucked?
>>739714663It’s on clearly on the wane. In its heyday this thread would have hit bump limit in 20 min. Now it’s less and less people engaging in it and it feels more and more tired each time.They tried to pretend there was this big Christian revival but there wasn’t. Most young people know their bullshit when they smell it.
>>739714820In reality, he blames his problems on others instead of himself and that's he continues to fail. Every trvd Christian is incapable of taking accountability for themselves and that's why they vote for pedophile criminals in right wing parties. They're the most immoral and incompetent hypocritical group of people out there.>>739714975You can convert and these people hate you for being the "wrong Christian" lol, don't entertain those ideas because it is an excuse for selfish hedonistic hypocrites to enact crimes against undesirables.You will not find them volunteering at a shelter to feed the homeless, you will instead see them cut funding to it like Trump did.
>>739714975>at least any more than he loves the birds, the insects and any sort of life form that might be out there.His love is infinite for all of creation. Why would he not get upset if his creations were fighting among each other? Would you not get upset if your children fought among each other?
>>739714147If you don't agree with the very leftist pope then don't bother. Catholicism does not need more blasphemous converts who miss the point.
>>739715438Why doesn't he just stop that from happening then?
>>739715441That's not how it works. Papal infallibility hasn't been invoked in over 70 years
>>739715163He did. 2000 years ago."Then how come it's been so long since he last showed himself?"I don't know. But what is 2000 years to an immortal, infinite being? Maybe he's simply giving us a chance to repent.
>>739715360>I know better what God should've done and since he didn't do what I would do if I were God he's evilholy megalomaniac batman lmao
>>739715534>I'm not a bad guy because...I'm just notOk
>>739713861I'll try it more and put thought into it
>>739701673Because there's no direct Muhammad usage since that's the only religion in current times that would actually cause a stink. I'd say 98% of "religious people" wouldn't even know who or what YHVH means or the demi urge or most of the references in SMT
>JRPG: Fight this creature pretending to be God.>Boss: LMAAAOO I'M LITERALLY GOD.>MC: you are not God.>Player: Wtf this is literally god?
>>739715360>>739715514Imagine you have a son and he did something bad like stealing candy. Would you flip a switch in his mind that would turn him into an obedient, mindless drone that followed your every command?
>>739715532It didn't used to be a problem for him. Maybe he got bored and pissed off somewhere else to start over.
>>739702442The most religious people in the world are always causing the worst atrocities.
>>739715607I think one of the core doctrines of Christianity is that only God is good
>>739713956>>739715235Adding to this, Shinyaku Last Bible shows there's already precedence with a throne holder being picked by an intermediary of the Great Will, dropping the ball, and then being deposed which is what is threatened toward Nanashi in Massacre.
>>739715643I would reverse time to stop that then I'd edit his psyche so he doesn't want to do thatBECAUSE I AM GODand yes I wouldBECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WANT. HIM TO STOP BEING BAD>b-b-but free willis God a baby who cannot accept that giving free will means bad shit you dislike happens? So odd how God is puzzled by the thing man is.
>>739715514He does stop it and destroys evil forever and ever in the future. Read the Book of Revelation>inb4 why doesn't he stop it NOW2 Peter 3>9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentanceHe hasn't put the world through baptism of fire as it deserves partly because of you not getting saved yet; he's holding off to give people time to get saved but that won't last forever
>>739705182It's funny because there are societies like China that don't believe that. As such, when they hit someone with their car, they reverse to make sure they're dead because it's cheaper than paying for their hospice and life care.Gotta love the anti-Christ!
>>739715737Why doesn't he just automatically save them?This shit just does not work when you give a character omnipotence. Anything that happens is because of them. Terrible writing.
>>739715730Personally I'm glad God lets me continue living despite how evil I act
>>739715796>why doesn't he just automatically save themWho says He hasnt on the other side of eternity? >No, God owes me! I shouldn't ever suffer!Pride
>>739701673the only person in the entire world to make a public stink about this game is some jeet offended over Krishna’s portrayal
>>739715392It’s just boring to engage with now, they all pretend not to know what you’re talking about when challenged or immediately resort to ontology as an answer to everything which you can’t even talk about.
>>739701673Easy. SMT doesn't attack real christianity, just some random burger denomination. It was clear to me once I saw how they featured 4 name archangels instead of 3.
Thread full of LARPers pretending to be religious, no real man of g*d would come here in the first place
>>739715784the chinese dont believe in the value of human life in the first place which is a drastically different problem and no amount of preaching is going to fix that country.
>>739701673Tbf how can you not come to the conclusion that God is just a little fucked when you read the book of Job
>>739715730If you would scramble the mind of your own son, you can't possibly love him.>is God a baby who cannot accept that giving free will means bad shit you dislike happens? He sacrificed his only Son precisely because he knows man will continue to sin.
>>739716030The devil got btfoAnd then he got btfo again when Christ took the power of death from him.The devil is the ultimate loser
>>739715796>Why doesn't he just automatically save them?Because they have to realize they have to go through Jesus Christ themselves. If he were to force people to believe our gift of free will would be violated>inb4 why doesn't he make it so that doesn't violate it though?you're asking the creator of logic to act illogically + you'd then just argue you didn't have a choice and you didn't do it willingly blah blah
>>739701673Better question is, why are Christians such easy to offend faggots? You don't see any other religious group bitch about how megaten portrays their gods.
>>739716030>t. hasn't read the Book of Jobre-read it - everything that happens is because God withdrew his protection from Job and allowed the devil to do as he pleased
Christtrannytourists NOT welcome.
>>739702442I'll fill your fatherless void.
>>739702113That wouldn’t appeal to nihilistic Japs who won’t fuck to save their own race.
>>739716134I mean I doubt Satan really gave a shit that he lost the bet considering he probably knew Job was loyal. He was just satisfied that God not only allowed him to but straight up told him to fuck up Job's entire life.
>>739715127>Put me beside a crying man and ask everyone who is pathetic.still you.
>>739709281>Kill Jesus or we will revolt>"The romans killed Him"
>>739716239>Chooses a Vishnu pic>While Hindus Malded over the portrayal of an avatar of Vishnu in 4ABro come on
>>739716239They're betas. their religion demands they turn the other cheek but their egos forbid it.
>>739715127>and if it's artificial it's something we shouldn't have lost.You have it wrong, it’s not something we’ve lost, it’s something we’ve unfortunately gained. Mostly because we started doing silly things like seeing outbursts of emotion if any kind as femenine. It truly was a change in paradigm, we kind have lost our traditional roles ever since the Industrial Revolution became a thing, equality of the sexes or not. In my opinion, masculinity has become a parody of itself, a flagrant act of overcompensation when the only thing you needed to feel manly for most of history was having dick and balls. Gen Z and alpha are cooked, but not because they aren’t masculine enough.Are you American?, I could then see why most buildings around you wouldn’t provoke much emotion. This is not a jab towards you, it’s just the sad reality of American buildings that they are often not the most beautiful.>and on some level so does everyone you've ever cried in front of.Not even a reply meant for me but come on man, you are projecting to hell and back right now. No, neither your buddies nor women are repulsed by you when they see you cry, not for even one second. The people who love you unconditionally won’t fucking start cringing if you cry around them.>Put me beside a crying man and ask everyone who is pathetic.They’d ignore your question and go check what’s wrong and if the inconsolable man could be helped. One time I some real shitty stuff happened and I (a grown man even back then) was crying my eyes out alone in the street. Two women passed by and saw me and they weren’t disgusted or afraid, even though it was a lone street. They came right up to me and spent no less than 20 minutes talking to me to try and make me feel better. They probably arrived late somewhere just because they were that compassioned. That’s the actual hardwiring in people’s brains, empathy.
>>739702191Pokémon will never not be funny to me for depicting a setting where for all intents and purposes, Japan is Christian.
>>739716253That's kind of the point of what I am trying to say. God sold out Job's family and dignity to Satan to prove a fucking point about how much Job liked him and as a reward God gave Job a brand new "family" (really just some random people) as if people are just interchangeable commodities to God. That is pretty psychotic if you ask me.
>>739715201If only that shit was text and not just subtext in IV huh.
>>739716378If I recall correctly, God unfucked his life at the end of the book.
>>739716378Ngl this reads a lot like satanic cope. Job is in heaven, Satan will reside in eternal conscious torment.
>>739716378>straight up told him to fuck up Job's entire lifeWrong.Job 1>8 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? 9 Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? 10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. 11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. 12 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.
>I am ensouled which means even after death I get to exist forever!the most narcissistic shit ever and so many of you just assume it is true because the alternative is too ego-shattering. feel free to reach out to my via your soul to prove me wrong
>>739716579>family members are just tokens, if you lose 7 sons but you get 14 more then why care?christoids actually believe this
>>739716579Not really, he just gave him a new family as a replacement for the ones that were killed off.
>>739714660Cardboard ayatollah status?
>>739716605why did whoever wrote the bible write like a faggot?
>>739716564>sold out Job's familyYou're misremembering how it started. Re-read it here: >>739716605
>>739715438Does god get mad when two ant hives go to war then?, when the shark devours its sibling in its mother’s womb?, why would it be any different for us?
>>739716539This is actually just Americans being incapable of engaging with the idea an in universe myth isn’t true, the creators of Pokemon have said Arceus Dialga etc are explicitly NOT gods.
It still amazes me that /v/ is better able to debate religion than either /his/ or /pol/.
>>739716727God laments the groaning of His creation, but also He cares differently about us because we are imago dei
>>739716009No real man of God would care about smt mocking some dumbass protestant denomination.
>>739716605>all that he hath is in thy powerhe gave Satan a blank cheque to shit on Job to prove a point.
>>739716706The King Jamea Bible is from 1611. Language changed
Videogames disprove God.
>>739716829And it's God's fault what Satan did with that power and yet Job still did not break?
>>739716684>>739716685And he can rest easy knowing his children are with God.>>739716727Sharks and ants lack the sentience to know right from wrong.
>>739716748What are you talking about this is /pol/ tier lol>dumping Bible passages and making baseless assertions is debate
>>739715954Tell me about it, saw how that one guy started trying to talk about how god is necessary for the universe to even exist when he got criticized for something completely different?You’d think god would dislike his church being a den of snakes, but here we are.
>>739710435Ok, game looks cool already. Where should I begin playing?
>>739716939yes, exactlyif i willfully and knowingly let in an enemy assassin through the gates then i am half-responsible for everything he does
>>739716309His needy fatherless hole even?
Marcion was right
>>739716605This just reads as:>Satan: you know he is just loyal to you because you gave him a good life. If all was taken from him, he would hate you.>God: Whatever, go and do what you will.>Satan: okay *leaves and fucks up Job's life*Even if God did not explicitely want Satan to do all of that he could have at any point stopped Satan, but he didn't because God actually wanted Job to suffer so he could get a point across to both of them.
>>739717015Everyone plays 3,4, and 5. Personally I think 3 is boring. I’ve also heard really good things about strange journey but never played it personally
>>739716939if a judge tells you "do whatever you want to him" then yes, that judge is responsible for whatever you do to him.
>>739716939>And it's God's fault what Satan didyeah, it didn't have to happen>Job still did not breakgood for him, he still got shafted
>>739710435>SMT simply uses the original Greek definition.SMT still kind of gets confused by this for unrelated reasons. The Norse pantheon were explicitly mortal yet also supernatural, and that ends up getting twisted into a knot in V. There aren't room for supernatural creatures that aren't demons or tulpas that might-or-might-not be proto-demons except for fairies who across SMT and into Persona and ReFantazio are implied to physically split off into their own distinctive form of existence across the passage of time.
>>739717113Thanks
Only the devil could fuck with Job and blame God for it.....
>low effort baitpost>schizo christoids start posting essays about intrusive thoughts of harming others and doing ritualso i am not even laffin this is just sad
>>739716950til christians see people getting killed in the same way that bike cuck sees his bike getting stolen.
>>739717256>Hey can I fuck Job's shit up, senpai?>Yeah alrightTruly a baffling conclusion
>>739716467Wasn't that Krishna for making him poop jeet color instead of blue or green I think?
>>739717067Yeah that would really suck if not for Gods promise of eternal life, Job trusted God and it paid out infinity-fold. Your complaint only works in an atheist sense where Jobs family dies and that's it forever.
>>739716789No, we are not made in the image of god. Your scriptures are a total farse. We are more as the ants and less as the creatorI don’t know how anybody could think humans hold a special place on the universe. The earth is just a planet in an infinite universe and not particularly special, only to us. We are a mote of dust among many adrift in a sempiternal void. How could anyone think god would make us his perfect creation in his image is completely beyond me. Are you seriously telling me god wouldn’t care about alien wars because they are not made in his image, even if they were just as sentient as us?
>>739717445We are certainly closer to ants than closer to Gods infinite power, but we are made in His image
I wonder what would have happened if the original NES games got a Western release.
>>739704510Jesus was a Jew. All of the apostles were Jews. If you are a christian, you worship jews. Other jews hating Jesus doesn't change that.
>>739717396I mean it is still shitty to have your family taken away from you if only temporarily. Let me ask you this, if I snuck into your house, murdered your entire family and and everyone you loved, would you just be okay with that because you are confident you will see them again in heaven?
>>739717053Nope. God praised Job. Satan questioned God praising Job saying he's only doing that because of what he's been given by God. God withdrew from the picture and gave Satan free reign on Job's estate to prove to Satan he's wrong. Satan makes Job's life hell but indeed proves himself wrong as Job did not break. Far cry from your initial assertion that God EXPLICITLY told him to fuck up his life or that he sold him to Satan. Satan did not have to go on a mass murder spree to test Job's resolve but he did
>>739716950>Sharks and ants lack the sentience to know right from wrongGod’s love for its creation must not be so infinite then.
>>739717445>muh aliensAliens aren't real, there is less reason to believe in aliens than to believe in Christ, yet here you are with your marvel mythicism about green men
>>739716748Define better
>>739717479Shouldn't we have a little of His power as well? I mean, according to the Bible, the soul is eternal and can't be destroyed. That's a lot.
>>739717184You are letting completely different magic systems bleed together and missing the unified rule of SMT.First, SMT V does not get confused about the Norse gods being mortal in their original myths. The game applies a universal rule to all mythology. In SMT V lore, every pagan deity used to be a complete Nahobino. The 'Creator' stole their Knowledge to enforce his absolute monotheistic rule, reducing all of them into demons. The fact that Norse gods can die in real world Eddic poetry is irrelevant to the overarching Gnostic framework SMT imposes on them. They are all just victims of the Demiurge stripping their admin privileges.Second, fairies are absolutely not a separate physical existence in mainline SMT. You are dragging Metaphor ReFantazio lore into a cosmology where it does not belong. In SMT, fairies are strictly demons. They are bound by the exact same rules as Lucifer, Archangel Michael, and random ghosts.The only difference is what human belief spawned them. Gods and angels are born from high theology and strict religious systems. Fairies are born from localized animism and nature folklore. But on a mechanical level within the SMT universe, they are all just spiritual entities, ie: the Greek 'Daemons', made of 'Magnetite' and shaped by human 'Observation'. They did not physically split off into some distinct biological branch.A Jack Frost is made of the exact same spiritual data as Odin. Stop trying to connect the cosmological rules of completely different IPs just because Atlus reuses the same 3D models.
>>739717529Define "Jew" in this context
>>739717529I don't worship anyone but God.
>>739717065Marcion was a traitor to Kane.
>>739717549so in other words, god is completely responsible for everything satan did to job, since he gave him explicate permission to fuck up job's life?
>>739717569Why, pray tell?
>>739717540>would you just be okayWhen and where was it ever said that Job was just okay? He was deeply begrieved, but he trusted God. I would hope to have even a fraction of Job's faith if put to the test but I can't guarantee that.
>>739715235The Axiom does not make "mistakes" because the Axiom does not make moral choices. It is the infinite, passive source of all reality. It is the underlying operating system. It granted humanity the power of Observation so they could shape the universe. What humanity does with that power is entirely on them.Your argument assumes that overriding someone else's will is a "mistake" that a perfect Monad would never condone. But the Axiom is not a moral judge. By giving humanity true free will, it inherently allows humans the freedom to dominate, destroy, or rewrite the world. Nanashi overriding the will of the universe in the Massacre ending is not the Axiom making a mistake. It is Nanashi using his divine spark to its absolute maximum potential.YHVH failed because he tried to lock down the system and prevent anyone else from using Observation, artificially freezing human potential to keep himself in charge. The Axiom empowered Nanashi to break that lock.As for Pleroma, that is the divine realm of absolute fullness in Gnosticism. It is completely detached from the flawed material world. In the Massacre ending, Nanashi wipes out the Demiurge's old universe and uses his own Observation to forge a brand new reality completely independent of the old gods. He effectively returns the cosmic state to a blank slate closer to the Monad, cutting out the bureaucratic middleman entirely.The Axiom is not "one short of the true Monad." It is the Monad. You just expect the Monad to act like a strict parent instead of an unfathomable cosmic absolute.
Do Gods needs human 'observation' to exist? Serious and unironic question.
>>739717693There is nothing beyond The Firmament
>>739717376Yes, It was Krishna. I don’t remember why but if I had to guess it’s either the design or him being a villain.
>>739717636then you worship the supreme jew
>>739717681No, not >in other wordsEither address what I specifically said or don't bother>Far cry from your initial assertion that God EXPLICITLY told him to fuck up his life or that he sold him to Satan. >Satan did not have to go on a mass murder spree to test Job's resolve but he did
>>739717743No, in what way would God be contingent on man
>>739717376daily reminder this guy gathers around literal underage girls
>>739717785see: >>739717628
>>739701673>How the fuck does Shin Megami Tensei exist when it's so blasphemous as it is?Lots of people aren't as religious as you are. It's alright, you don't have to play some game if it offends you.
>>739717743Humans need God's observation to exist.
>>739717757You don't actually believe that. You feel like it's a funny stance to take after you got repeatedly shit tested into it. I'm not going to argue with you, I'm just pointing out what happened.
>>739717757The Firmament doesn't exist since it's a translation error. The earth is also not flat.To argue that the earth is flat at this point dishonors God.
>>739717794>God withdrew from the picture and gave Satan free reign on Job's estate to prove to Satan he's wrong
>>739717479You really think the human form is that perfect?, delusional. Any cursory study of human biology will reveal the myriad flaws in our bodies. If this is truly God’s form it’s a fucking shitty, mostly useless one.For what limbs, what hair, what eyes would be of any use in the infinity of void?, when you are not constrained by human limits?This idea that humans are any special is straight up a disease. You hold no special place in the universe or God’s heart at all. Dust is what you are and what you’ll ever be, just like everything that has ever lived in this planet. Even if god did exist, I don’t think he’d even bother with judging our souls so insignificant we are. To it, we’re all of a kind in the grand scheme of things.
>>739703367>why do other cultures have so much to say about a religion that has dedicated organizations focused around forcing that religion around everyone else's throat all around the world?Gee what could the reason possibly be? Why don't you go on a mission trip and search for the answer there.
>>739717985>you really think the human form is perfectIt is perfect to Gods purpose for it, or I should say it was before the fall
Christians have done more damage to their own faith than all of the atheists, jews, trannies, muslims, etc. combined could ever do
>>739718028>muslimsWoah there Abdul, good try.
>>739717985perfection can be an unobtaintable ideal or a permeating fact depending on your point of view.this is true very generally.
>>739705716>If you read that shit unbiased he comes up as a divine pyscho.This. Even though God thinks only he can define morality, he repeatedly shows himself to be spiteful, petty, proud, and attention-seeking to the deficit of whatever random villager or fifty he has his eye on at the start of any given aesop. The sheer number of times the guy gets ragebaited by satan or random civilizations into causing catastrophe is pretty baffling for someone who claims infinite wisdom and power.I mean, just the existence of an infinite torture dimension for people he doesn't like should say it all
Religion is poison and caused nothing but strife, war, death and regression of society itself. Worse are the people who insist on teaching you about that faggot jesus and his lazy ass father the almightyFuck that, gimme some money, some food and a wet pussy to pound
>>739718125How is that bad?
>>739717970>"Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand"Where do you see "explicate" permission to fuck up job's life here? When you're given keys to someone's car does that give you explicit permission to put that thing on fire, leave a brick on the pedal and let it ride off a cliff? you lost the sauce
>>739718125>just give me fleshly physical desires to numb me and sate my retarded basic animalistic urges broIs that the best you could think of yourself?
>>739717569There’s plenty of reason to believe in Christ, there’s plenty of historical records of the guy. You’d have to be straight up anti science to deny that. No evidence of god has been found however, despite the best efforts of devout yet rigorous Christian scientists. We have better evidence for the alien life you dismiss than for the existence god.
>cmon guys, I had to do it!The devil or an associate of is in this thread.
I just want to see humanity exploring space and discovering new worlds around the galaxy, but God is a prick for making our physics really impossible to do it.Oh well, at least he didn't expect humans to create videogames and simulate it at least :/
>>739718249There are more Eucharistic miracles than there is any evidence of aliens
>>739718190are you forgetting that god is all knowing and that satan has already been established as the guy that hates humanity?if you give your keys to someone wearing a shirt that says "i really fucking love setting cars on fire" and is currently saying "yeah if someone gives me their car keys im going to set their car on fire" then you only have yourself to blame when you come back to a burnt car.
>>739718249>No evidence of god has been found howevergrab a physiology book. there's clearly conscious design behind reality
>>739718361Sounds like not only did God prove you wrong, he also completely humiliated you. Praise be to God
>>739718330>repeating digits on /v/
>>739718024>>739718087I thought pride was a mortal sin. Guess not if it’s the blinding arrogance of man that he is closer to god than all other things.God wouldn’t give a rat’s ass about us, and we’re certainly not in his image.
>>739718143Nigga I prayed to that faggot for years and none of my prayers came true. Plus the poor are way too religious and the rich justify their wealth as god blessing them but they never try to part with their riches or give it all away. Bunch of scammers and this god allows them to run freely.>>739718236I got one life to live and I don't give a fuck what sky lord objects to it
>>739718361You're confusing Satan with the Devil. Satan is a title meaning the accuser; something like a prosecuting attorney. The Devil is both but also does hate humanity
>>739718409and satan being proved wrong doesnt bring back all the people he murdered, now does it?
>>739718463>God wouldn't give a rats assShoot, uhhhh, darnit, if only I had something that says otherwise.....John 3:16>>739718506God isn't a genie. You should thank Him for your continued breathing
>>739718529pick one imaginary bad guy and stick with it.is the BIG BAD EVIL ANTI GOD GUY satan or is he the devil?
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>>739718506You got one life and you're wasting it in the worst possible manner and will forever come to regret it.Whatever you think you might be getting now will ultimately never be enough and you will be left with nothing but despair and misery knowing you could have had so much more, yet you chose to waste it all away and die in separation from God.
>>739718636>now those people get to lick god's toes for eternity and if they take a break for even a second its down into the eternal pit of fire brimstone and paingreat deal!
>>739718703Chapter and verse, bubba
>>739718590I already told you what the distinction is? Has he been called satan or the devil in the Book of Job?
>>739718313Were these miracles confirmed by the scientific method?, because the scientific method proved that once mars had microbial life and it still may do (this already counts as alien life). Now anon, if life developed independently at least twice in the same solar system how common do you think it is in the universe as a whole?, seems to me that the “marvel green men” you mention are more likely to be real than your god, as they have already proven to be real.
>>739718730chapter shit and verse poo:>I COMMAND YOU TO LICK MY TOES FOREVER OR GET SENT TO THE ETERNAL PIT OF FIRE BRIMSTONE AND PAIN!
>>739718506There's a strange poetry in you calling God a faggot for not answering your prayers. Like, I immediately see why God wouldn't answer your prayers
>>739718740ok anon, i know this is hard but your imaginary tale can only have one imaginary bad guy.so is the big bad evil anti god guy satan or is he the devil?
>>739718747Actually, yes they havehttps://www.saintbeluga.org/eucharistic-miracles-god-under-the-microscope
>>739718573Fuck him, when I die and if he does exist, I'm gonna call him out for his bullshit. Hell seems like a better place than heaven>>739718679Nigga you're on 4chan trying to convert people, that's way worse. At least go outside and preach your horseshit
>>739718747>the scientific method proved that once mars had microbial lifeI presume you've been there and empirically confirmed it? Or are you putting blind faith in men that gave you this info?
>>739718859>refuses to answer a simple questionagain - Has he been called satan or the devil in the Book of Job? As a reminder, Satan is a title (there can be many), while Devil is a character (there is one)
>>739718703Ok hear me out>make God a cute girl>hell is being a gaming chair for gamer girl demonsThere we go problem of evil is solved
>>739718898>Hell seems like a better placeIdk, if God is good, as in the essence of Goodness, Hell would definitionally be.....bad
>page 9before the thread closes i have a genuine question for the christians,>god's "ultimate unfailable word" is a book>a book that has been edited by countless men>a book that is the same medium that all the other false religions wouldnt it make more sense for "god's word and proof" to be something that cant be edited by mere mortals and is in a medium different from all the false religions?
>>739718397>grab a physiology bookGreat idea, that way I may be able to learn about whatever neurological disorder is afflicting you.>there's clearly conscious design behind realityNah, there’s really not. If the design is so intelligent why did god make conditions so there’s so little iron in the oceans?, we really needed that shit and now this stupid design has left all life with a crippling need for iron and almost none that can be assimilated in the environment, vastly limiting the life that can develop on the planet. Doesn’t seem too intelligent of a design to me unless you intended life not to prosper.
>>739719015We have the old manuscripts, so the notion that the bible is an incredibly long game of telephone is totally bunk.
>>739719075>God is when I can drink sea water
>>739717742The issue is not one of morality, but of logic; though YHVH was replaced like a burnt-out lightbulb, the mechanisms which allowed his corruption to fester and manifest remain; Stephen acknowledges the fact by stating if Nanashi slips up another Messiah will depose him in turn. If unobstructed Observation is the goal, then the logical choice would be to pick a Messiah who would not consider to override the will of others. Therefore, we have a Schrodinger's Great Will: If the Axiom's mechanisms prove to preserve Observation in its perpetually, then it was the Great Will acting directly instead of an avatar like YHVH and his ilk. If it fails in its objective, then it is imperfect, and therefore cannot be the Monad - destined to be cast away like its rival under perfection.
>>739719078ok now what about the other part about how its delivered in the same medium as all the false religions.wouldnt the one true god deliver his proof and word in something different?
>>739719075>starts off with an adhominemthanks for playing I guess>intelligent design isn't real because ironanon, I...
>>739719136I would deny your premise. But He did do something different, He gave His only begotten son.
>>739718573Your scriptures were written by men who had no connection to god whatsoever, quote whatever verse you like it’s all fake and made up. If it exists, God doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you. It probably wouldn’t even know we exist just like you don’t take notice of the bacteria around you.
>>739719136why would he?
>>739718898>that's way worseHow? Is this place not deserving of seeing God's light and hearing of Him and the wonderful love He has for all of us?We'll continue to be here as long as the site remains operational and there is nothing you can do about it. Many more shall come to Christ, whether from encountering Him outside of here or by finding more of Him by what they read here, but more shall find Him, and they will continue to do so until the end of time.You lost. Satan lost. Sin lost. Death Lost.Christ won over all of them and He is and will forever be the King of Kings and Lord of Lords who has saved us all and granted us all victory over these things by His sacrifice on the cross. The blood of Christ shall wash away all sin. He will purify and save those that seek Him out, always, and forever, until the very end. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it whatsoever but cry.God bless, and may He find a way to break through even your toughened heart, so that you might eventually get to know Him as well and realize that He desires nothing for you but good.
>>739719136This is more a protestant problem than a God problem. He also founded the church and established a hierarchy of maintaining tradition of said church
>>739719232>Your scriptures were written by men who had no connection to god whatsoeverproof? looks like the ones who followed scriptures dominated the world and the whole world counts time from Jesus Christ's birth here on Earth
>>739718887Doesn’t seem like a scientific publication to me, do you have ANY actual peer reviewed studies or just fake news by conmen?
>>739719376>fake newsYou didn't read it.
>>739717742>>739719135Doesn't Massacre undermine the Gnostic theming by making the Axiom no better than Old Testament God?>He's supposed to be above things like individual lives or moral judgements And isn't that just Christians' own argument about why Old Testament God did the things He did? a perfect being should, by definition, have a morality everyone can agree on.
>>739719376hey man talking about peer reviewed studies, care to answer: >>739718907
>>739719376Yeah, right herehttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11882681/
>>739719429>a perfect being should, by definition, have a morality everyone can agree on.No? By definition it just means any disagreement you have with a perfect being is due to your own imperfection. But Christianity doesn’t have any moral system besides obedience to God anyway ex: Isaac and Abraham.
>>739719006If god is good and this world we live in currently in supposed to be good, I'll take my chances with hell >>739719258Nigga please
>>739719202>>739719280the vast majority of religions have their own "god has sent me to deliver his will and establish his church!" figure.that alone isnt any kind of distinct proof of the christian god.>>739719237you have ten people in front of you.nine are clones and one is the real person.they are all telling you "im the real one!"if you tell them to do something to prove that they're the real one, and all but one do the same exact thing. and that one always does something different, would that not be your best proof that he's the real one?
>>739719584You must have missed the part where Adam eats the fruit
>>739719579>Christianity doesn’t have any moral systemone can be ignorant but this is just idiocy lmao
>>739718907>Or are you putting blind faith in men that gave you this info?Oh, so when you are given the bible and told by others “this is the absolute word of god” you are being logical but to trust the word of the most learned and reputable experts in a scientific field is “blind faith”, except of course when the “scientists” are using “science” to try and prove “Eucharistic miracles”.Truly no Protestant is ever getting into heaven, as they are all hypocrites, frauds and overall just a bunch of lying pieces of shit.
>>739719429That is where faith falls into the equation: either you believe a given outcome of Apocalypse was the best one possible for that given reality and that the Axiom is God, or that it wasn't and the Axiom is just a bigger, more socially-adept Demiurge. Or you swear of Platoism entirely and decry the theory of forms as bull.
>>739719584Lord have mercy on you for you do not know what you're saying, wishing for nor doing with all this.
>>739719601Seems more like you want God to reveal Himself to you exclusively on your terms, which I understand, but your skepticism would just tell you it was all a hallucination anyway. You need to soften your heart to the gospel, I implore you. Blessings of Christ upon you
>>739719604>the person that was explicitly an idiot made a mistake, that means EVERYONE HAS TO SUFFER FOREVER AND EVER AND IF THEY DONT WORSHIP ME THEN THAT MEANS I'LL BURN THEM FOREVER!!!!!!!!not that fag but yeah, i'll take my chances with hell too.
>>739719698I pray Christ reaches you, earnestly.
>>739719616>besides obedience to GodThere is no order God could give you which you would be morally obligated to disobey, “thou shalt not murder” but God orders people to kill others all the time. God’s orders trump everything, the same action can be moral or immoral depending on if God commanded it.
>>739719673im not saying that, im saying that the christian god should do something different than all the false religions to prove that he's the one true god.as far as im concerned he's just another name in a list.
>>739719579You just described Christian morality in your second sentence.
>>739719132Of course an uneducated American would never understand. There used to be much more iron in the ecosystem. More than you could possibly ever imagine. Life was adapted to making use of that iron and then it all went away when the atmosphere became oxidized. But what am I saying, I’m speaking to someone who thinks the world was created in 7 literal days. Biblical literalist retard.
>>739719763Murder and killing aren't the same, and it's a very important distinction.
>>739704379no one on 4chan is "walking the righteous path"
>>739719763"rules for thee but not for me" is the rule of tyrants.you're calling your god a tyrant, such is blasphemy of the highest degree and you shall enjoy approximately one eternity burning in hell forever.
>>739719773Your assertion comes with a presupposition that God owes you a specific revelation, I'm sorry to say it doesn't work that way.
>>739719180I love starting off by insulting my opponents, I want to make completely clear I do not respect them at all (or your whore of a mother).
>>739719845God is incapable of murder
>>739719850again, im not asking for god to specifically give me a specific revelation.im asking why he did all the crap that all the false religions do.
>>739719828Why not? Jesus himself dined with a bunch of sinners.
>>739719796Would Abraham be justified in sacrificing his son to God if God didn’t ask for it?
>>739719949If I was the devil and God wrote His law in a book, what would be the best way to undermine or obscure it?
>>739719135The fact that Stephen tells Nanashi another Messiah will depose him if he slips up is not a flaw in the system. That is the system working exactly as intended. You view the possibility of Nanashi failing as a failure of the Axiom. The Axiom views the rise of a new Messiah to replace a corrupt Nanashi as the ultimate proof of its perfection.The Axiom does not want a static, frozen reality. That was exactly YHVH's goal. YHVH tried to hit pause on the universe so his absolute Law would last forever without any challenges. The true Monad in the SMT cosmos represents infinite potential and constant flux. The mechanism of 'Observation' is essentially a self correcting cycle. If Nanashi gets arrogant and tries to lock down reality just like YHVH did, the Axiom will simply empower a new human to crack his skull open.You claim the logical choice is a Messiah who will not override the will of others. But in this Gnostic universe, shaping reality inherently requires asserting human will against cosmic forces. A Messiah who refuses to assert their will cannot change the world. The Axiom does not pick winners based on who is the most morally pure. It provides the divine spark of 'Observation' to ensure the wheel keeps turning and humanity retains its agency.There is no Schrodinger's Great Will here. The Axiom never fails its objective because its only objective is to guarantee that no entity can ever permanently rob humanity of its potential to choose. The endless cycle of Messiahs rising to cast down stagnant gods is not an imperfection. It is the literal definition of the Great Will functioning perfectly.
>>739701673Lighten up. It's a video game. God didn't put us on this earth to be a bunch of pearl clutching tight wads.
>>739719601>if you tell them to do something to prove that they're the real one, and all but one do the same exact thing. and that one always does something different, would that not be your best proof that he's the real one?that's exactly what Christianity does - every other religion on Earth wants you to buy your way into the afterlife on your own. To pull yourself by the bootstraps, to do enough "good deeds" to get your ticket. Christianity asks you to do unto others as you would like to be treated, yes, but says it clearly that salvation is unachievable the material way; you cannot buy your way in. Salvation is a free gift that you can accept or denyEphesians 2>8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
>>739719305>proof?What’s the proof they did have a connection with god?, you are the one who’s making an extraordinary claim with no proof. Why should I believe this one guy was indeed a prophet before the much more logical conclusion that he was either insane or delusional?
oh no christians! BIG BOOBS!now you're thinking BANNED THOUGHTS and need to go to confession or else you'll go to HELL AND BURN FOREVER!!!!
>>739719984God does not want us to sacrifice our children to him, rather, he sacrifices His son FOR us
>>739719635No, I am honest with myself that I operate on faith and that I am a religious person. You go through the same but lie to yourself that you're an intellectual that operates on empirical evidence only when you ultimately do take things on blind faith and are a religious zealot yourself, just in denial. You put your trust into fallible men, I put my trust into God
>>739720063Dodging the question. The ultimate moral of that story is that Abraham was righteous for being willing to sacrifice his son to God at his request. So I’m asking if sacrificing his son unprompted would therefore be equally righteous
>>739719995there were religions before christianity that do all of that too.>>739720025>heh, my religion is so different. it wants you to be a good person!buddhism, try again. pretty sure several other asian religions were the same.
>>739719429You claim Massacre makes the Axiom no better than the Old Testament God and that a perfect being must have an agreeable morality. You are fundamentally misunderstanding what perfection means in Gnosticism. You are trying to apply human moral standards to a cosmic operating system. The Axiom is not the Old Testament God because the Axiom does not issue commandments or demand worship. It does not actively kill anyone in the Massacre route. Nanashi does. The Axiom just gives humanity the power of Observation and lets them choose. Giving humans true free will means allowing them to do terrible things. If the Axiom stepped in to stop Nanashi, it would be micromanaging reality exactly like YHVH. That would make it a Demiurge.>>739719579You pointed out that Christianity just demands obedience like with Isaac and Abraham. You hit the nail on the head regarding YHVH but you are aiming at the wrong target. What you described is exactly how the Law alignment functions in SMT. YHVH demands blind obedience and frames any disagreement as an imperfection in the human. That is exactly why the Axiom wants YHVH gone. YHVH acts like a strict moral judge to keep humanity suppressed. The Axiom does not demand obedience at all.>>739719646You argue that it comes down to faith and the Axiom might just be a socially adept Demiurge. Faith has literally nothing to do with it. The Axiom cannot be a bigger Demiurge because the defining characteristic of the Demiurge is the obsessive need for absolute control and worship. YHVH wants to sit on the throne forever and freeze the universe. The Axiom actively empowers mortals to punch gods in the face and rewrite the rules. A cosmic entity that hands out root access to its own server so the users can delete the administrators is the exact opposite of an authoritarian Demiurge.
>>739720025>>739720154oh yeah, there are also plenty of religions that say>your only way into heaven is to worship me!those are cults, try again.
>>739720154>Buddhismyou gain "karma" by going good deeds to upgrade your heaven ticker from bronze to silver etc. try again yourself, lmao
>>739719305>looks like the ones who followed scriptures dominated the worldIf you conveniently discount the 70% of the world’s population who aren’t Christian then sure. >the whole world counts time from Jesus Christ's birth here on EarthExcept yet again that’s factually wrong, but more importantly, completely irrelevant.Weren’t you reading dude?, must have been an add that you read or something since you’re back so quick.
>>739720134I'm not dodging, your asking a nonsense question. Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac because he had great faith in God. God stopped Abraham because that was His will and He did not want Abraham to kill His son, but rather demonstrate that he indeed had more faith in God than he did his own family.I reject the premise because God would and did stop Abraham from doing so, demonstrating His will
>>739720256see >>739720207
