Why is Japan so terrified of change and new things?
qrd on the dragonquest happening
>>739726690Everything they were working on was scrapped and they are taking a safe bog standard direction with the series. They are just kicking the can down the road versus doing anything interesting like they originally intended
>>739726531just look what happend to the final fantasy franchise
>>739726531no Jews to copy from, RPGs, Rogue, comics so on
>>739726531They already wasted 8 years of development time just finish the game and let it come out and if its shit and people dont like it then go back to making the same safe slop
>>739726690Over 5 years ago they said they were going to try something new with Dragon Quest 12 and have a darker more mature story only to pussy out and restart development wasting all those years with nothing to show for it. Now we are going to get something that is the exact same NES game rehash as the last 11 installments.
>>739726531They cant afford to fuck it up with DQ now that they have fucked Final fantasy up completely
>>739727043Well they lost their composer and character designer, what do you expect?
>>739726531you have seen how west tries "new things" everytime and they become worse each time
>>739727043(and that's a good thing)
>>739726690dq12 was in development and they scrapped the initial idea to start over. they original stated that dq12 was going to be darker in tone and more experimental, but they shifted directions back to a more traditional experience. as for why this happened it hasn't been officially stated and everything is speculation. my belief is that during development both akira toriyama and koichi sugiyama passed away and yuji horii didn't want the final dq they all worked on to be such a dramatic shift in style.
>>739728445FF16 flopped so squeenix freaked out and pulled breaks on GoT slopified DQ12
Because you could have just made a new IP out of it. Which they should have done.
>>739728749This. FF16 got spooked by Witcher 3 into being grim and dark. It didn't work, and Witcher 3 is long in the rearview mirror.
>>739726795obsessed schizo
>>739729036you mean dark souls
>>739729045>336k>PS5I don't know about the schizo part, you sound schizo, but compare that to previous FF titles retard.
Last time they changed something it killed their golden goose.
>>739729045FF16 didnt meet square enix own internal sales expectations and they themselves consider it a dud. and this affected DQ12 development.
>>739726531Why do retards act like DQ has never changed anything?
Same exact shit happened with DQ9.
>>739729390It's one of the oldest shitposting from people who never played DQ. This isn't even exclusive to 4chan. JRPG fags actually think DQ has never changed
>>739727043>the exact same NES game rehash as the last 11 installmentsYeah, who could forget the MMO they released on the NES? Or the semi-multiplayer game with the Oblivion-inspired quest system and customizable MC? Or the games with monster-taming mechanics?I bet you'll still line up and consoom the annual Pokeslop that actually hasn't made any meaningful changes since 1996 (and was already dated back then), though.
>>739727941oh no not the character designer that does like 8 characters for the new games at the start of development, and the composer that reuses 50% of songs from previous games and also did all his stuff for the game at start of development since everyone knew he had a foot in the grave and that also has a direct successor already trained to take over when he inevitably died
>>739729036Nobody was "spooked." YoshiP is a massive westaboo who's fucking obsessed with western slop like The Witcher and World of Warcraft and unironically believes it's the peak of gaming. He should have never been put as the director for another game after what he's done to XIV.
>>739727941The character designs look kinda shit and Sugiyama is possibly the most overrated vidya composer in existence.
>>739726531They're constantly innovating when it comes to games, thoughever
>>739729390they've changed stuff in the gameplay first but the worlds and stories are usually so bland they basically feel copy+pasted especially compared to FF settings.
>>739729439>>739729585>>739729709coping retard. It's still the same basic bitch grind fest turn based combat that the first four games on the NES had. It doesn't matter how much mental gymnastics you do, that fact still remains.
>>739726690Original 12 was supposed to have real time combat, reduced "rpg elements" and be more edgy and darkAfter seeing final fantasy 16 replacing 8 as the most hated game in franchise, square pivoted hard.
>>739729796>Crying this hardSeething little man. DQ has done more innovative things for JRPGs than most of them. COPE
>>739729813>Original 12 was supposed to have real time combat,source?
There’s a massive chance it was also incredibly generic but in a different way.
>>739726531Why should Dragon Quest change?
>>739729272It's the curse of Versus XIII. Final Fantasy will never recover until Squeenix apologizes to Nomura and gives him unlimited funding to make the true Versus masterpiece we were promised. It's the only way they can right the wrong and get sales again.
>>739729840You hurl worthless insults but you do nothing to support your claim or disprove me. Because you can't. Dragon Quest has the exact same fucking combat in every installment.
>>739729813>Original 12 was supposed to have real time combat, reduced "rpg elements"This was just speculation. You retards just believe any shitpost you read.
>>739729901>Exact same combat>Literally every new DQ game always changes it up from the previous oneOkay faggot.
>>739726773Good
>>739729958>Literally every new DQ game always changes it up from the previous oneThat's 100% not true. At all. You you actually this brain damaged or are you pretending?
>>739729796Sorry it's not the umpteenth carbon-copy of Dark Souls combat so you can dodgeroll your way through the game, lil zoomie.
>>739729796Ah I see, you're a disingenuous kike
>>739730007You didn't disprove my claim. So I accept your concession. Next actually fucking play the games you're shitposting about or fuck off.
>>739729867This is a weird, and untrue, cope. Nomura needs to be locked in a basement where he can slip pieces of paper with character designes under the door every now and then. That is all the man is good for.
I see people saying “I can’t believe they scrapped this entry that wanted to do something DIFFERENT with the series for once,” but then they also complain about the robots in the trailer.
>>739730053You didn't make a claim, you made up a lie. Because you're a coping retard who lives in delusions.
>>739728749I keep hearing this repeated but why do people assume dq12 was going to be ff16? ff has experimented with darker tones well before 16; like 7 and 8.
>>739730123The only delusional one is you. I'd tell you to kill yourself but I think you're so retarded you might take out another person in the process.
>>739730083No, it's the cold hard truth whether or not you want to accept it or not. FF fans left in disgust when Squeenix allowed Tabata to steal Nomura's masterpiece and turn it into the worst, most insulting, most falsely advertised game ever made. The series will never recover until that is made right.
>>739730179I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong. How is the combat in Dragon Quest 11 fundamentally different from the combat of Dragon Quest 3 on the NES? Go on. Tell me.
>>739730160People saw a taser logo and heard some vague platitudes from Horii and invented fanfictions out of whole cloth for what the game was going to be like that they've repeated for long enough to start thinking they were true.
>>739730254You know what? I can tell we won't find common ground, but the flops keep coming and that's good enough for me.
>>739730283You tell me the differences that DQ3 and 11 have. If you actually played them it should be obvious.
>>739730357>He can't prove me wrongThanks for conceding.
>>739730160>darker tones>8
>>739726690everyone knew edgy DQ would be a disaster but now op and his discord "friends" are concern trolling over it (note: they wouldnt have played it anyways because they hate DQ)
>>739730385>He didn't prove me wrongI accept your concession.
>>739730283pep
>>739730283you can change party members mid combat.
>>739730426Also, I forgot to add to this post that I am a transexual and I had my penis surgically removed.
>>739726531cope and seethe all you want, but this was the right choice. Nostalgiafagging is the ONLY REASON DQ is still relevant. It's literally played to be nostalgic, they shut their brains off and relive their childhood for the 1hr a night they get to play video-games before going to sleep for 6 hours to get up and work 11 hours chainsmoking without a lunch break.
>>739730484>Has to fall back on tranny insults. I won.
that worked so well for FF16 right
>>739726531Keep crying, DQ will never be a gritty realistic western slop
>>739730484As expected. I'm not surprised. You can't even tell what gender you are let alone prove me wrong.
keep DQ turn based
That's right, anxns, they should be maintaining pace with the cutting edge of the games industry! Innovative storytelling, innovative gameplay, innovative visuals and character design, they will be left in the mud if they don't learn how to change a thing or two!
>>739726531They're stuck between a literally dying fanbase who wants everything to stay the same, and a new generation who doesn't give two shits about a series based on prestige alone, no matter how much they change it for the "modern audience".At the very least the dying fanbase are safe consoomers, so you might as well milk them before the grim reaper comes knocking.
Dragon Quest classic is fine. Spinoffs are the experiment zone now, I guess. If it's not for you, it doesn't have to be. Go complain about it for a different series, we've got like thirty RPGs trying different things.
>>739730509Where was the nostalgiafagging in IX or X, which were both radical changes to the series' game design? I swear most of you dipshits only played XI - which was an anniversary game - and you're just assuming that's what the entire series is.
>>739730846These retards didn't play any DQ whatsoever. I'm certain they haven't played IX, or XI, and only the most devout larpers will pretend they played X.
>>739730846>IX or X, which were both radical changes to the series' game designI played IX and it plays exactly like 8 but with the job system slapped on top. It even copy-pasted the same tension system. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>739729813>final fantasy 16 replacing 8 as the most hated game in franchise13 and 15 are far more hated than 8. 15 and 16 at least deserve it.
>tease a darker, more experimental DQ>say fuck it 5 years later and restart to make the same game againholy fucking shit anytime I think square enix is done with their retardation they pull something like this. SE's entire foundation is supported by mogstation addicts
>>739731521>noooo i don't understand why company would pivot from something like that after seeing reception of ff16 i just too stupid to understand they are in wrong we need more got real time action combat slop with dark souls elementsretard
DQXIII will be a mobile game
>>739726773>>739727043FF groid hands typed this>>739729867Nomura has done more than enough. At this point, if they are truly this unwilling to make a good FF game, I would rather have them kill off the series after ff7r3 and just give the next bravely game a bigger budget. Those games are bland as fuck, but at least they don't try to emulate western AAAslop.
>>739731734Retards saying this is because of 16 have zero clue how slow moving corporations are. 16 under performed sales expectations but Square has a history of setting unrealistic goals. It also performed well with tasteless normalfags. I met a shithead irl who actually said Clive was one of his favorite characters and it took everything I had to do my best to shit on the game in the most diplomatic way possible and not chimp out.
>>739732318>zero clue how slow moving corporations areEA sacked multiplayer only dragon age in few months after their star wars single player game sold wellThere was more than 2 years already since 16 shit the bed
>>739726531their boomers are like our boomers except they have a stranglehold on EVERYTHING because nips worship seniority way too fucking much. Hori the worthless senile boomer noticed 12 wasn't looking like his cookie cutter unchanging "vision" that hasnt been updated in 25 years so he "fixed" it all and now we have to wait another 5 years minimum to play dqxi again.
>>739730749Yes, because making ubisoft open world games and babbys first hack n slash with GoT cutscenes is so much better and more innovative. It's not that people don't want change, it's just that Square Enix sucks at innovation.
nu-FF is absolute garbage and so is every DQ since 8. There's a middle ground between changing the entire genre and losing the soul of the game, and sticking to the same nostalgia bait rehash over and over like pokemon.
>>739731734Taking 3 years to realize 16 flopped and pivoting only now only supports my point of view
>>739732394>since 16 shit the bed16 might be shit but it's not shit enough to actually force change.
>>739726531probably deviated too far from its core identity. make a new franchise if you want to go that route, let dragon quest be dragon quest
>>739732423Tell me what was the last time Square Enix released an "innovative" "RPG" that didn't suck.It's not that hard to understand: DQXI was a great game despite it "being the same thing as all the previous ones" (not really, dq9 was more about the online and postgame dungeons and 10 was an MMO). FF hasn't had a good game since like XII, and even that was really flawed.
>>739732654The first bad FF was 14.
>>7397328458*
>>7397329312*
>>739729813>16>hatedLOLIts one of the most loved ones>but /v/..LOL
>>739732995>16>one of the most lovedgenuinely can not tell if you are baiting, 12 years old or just completely retarded
>>739732995Just like dragon's dogma 2, demo and initial release were beloved by game journos and paid altright influencers, but then it was forgotten by normies.There a good reason why square decide to change their approach towards dq12 after ff16 failure.
i can't stop thinking of that chrono trigger romhack flames of eternity everytime i see flames of fate.
>>739726531>Why is Japan so terrified of change and new things?Because there's a certain expectation for what comes with any given series.If you want to make something substantially different, you make a new series.
>>739727043I wish they would branch out to tactical RPG or something. 40 years of the same 4-nigger-in-a-row is bleak and boring. I couldn't even bother finishing DQ11 because of this.
final fantasyfire emblemdragon questkingdom heartswho else is joining
>>739727043Hori probably didn't want to make a dark game after 2 of his friends just died
>>739733414>tactical RPGThey already know how to make bad games.
>>739732446>Yes, because making ubisoft open world games and babbys first hack n slash with GoT cutscenes is so much better and more innovative.nigga nobody even said that
>>739726531What a stupid fucking thing to say when FF is pure dogshit because they changed too much.Kill yourself retarded nigger
would a dissidia like game work for dragon quest
>>739726531People like franchises for consistency, they have a certain aesthetic, setting, characters, storytelling etc. When you start changing that shit you ruin whatever the original appeal was and the fans stop buying.
>>739730749>They're stuck between a literally dying fanbase who wants everything to stay the same, and a new generationThey're mostly fixing this by remaking the older games and properly marketing them overseas on all the modern platforms. Dragon Quest is a growing franchise outside of Japan.
>>739733885>properly marketing them overseasis this before, or after, the gaijin hating composer died?genuine question
looks like the zenithia trilogy HD2D is the only saving grace.
>>739726690>>739726773this is a fair punishment for the japanese population refusing to reproduce.
did no one learn from darkest dungeon 2?
>>739733885>fixing this by remaking the older gameshow is attracting tasteless retards with demakes an improvement?
>>739734101stop trying so hard, nobody is impressed
>>739726773darksyde phil talked about this today and said SE is stupid for doing it
does anybody else think this is alarming considering the state of franchises hitting 40 and the younger gen aren't interested and gaming will die?
>that old dudeand I thought nintendo was being kept on the last century by miyamoto. japan really needs to tone down the respect for the elders when creativity and innovation are getting this hurt.
>>739734223no, the studios just need to understand they won't be selling 10 million copies and adjust their budgets, game development is too bloated and needs the fat trimmed
>>739734148What?
>>739728749Yep, but SE is too stupid to realize that XVI also flopped because it was just a terrible game
>this was one of the games I had in my "resons not to commit suicide" list.welp. scratching that one off the board.
>>739726531Because of autism.
>>739726531japs see it as a form of flattery to just copy eachother instead of do original things
>>739734223AAA's need to take a refresher course in budgeting and expectations. Not every game is entitled to be the next Fortnite.Of course there is the possibility that they do understand this is unsustainable but fucktarded investors are twisting their arms. Regardless, stupid is as stupid does.
>>739726531>Why is Japan so terrified of change and new things?but they literally changed everything and started from scratch? Are you retarded?You are only seething because instead of dogshit MATURE DARK ""LUDOKINO"" you are getting an upbeat adventure with a zoomer-coded protag, cope unc you literally lost nobody caters to you retards anymore and everyone is happy about it
>>739734223why would that lead to gaming dying? new franchises and tent poles will emerge
>remaking older gamesby censoring them yea?
>>739726531STFU faggot, modern audiences already ruined FF and Zelda, it's a good thing DQ is staying pure.
>>739729045That's less than Pikmin 4 btw. Fucking Pikmin! Can you imagine going back to the early 2000s and telling people that FF and the entire Playstation library would be losing to a D-tier Nintendo franchise in the 2020s.
>>739729045Pathetic. Just let FF die at this point.
>>739726531DQXII logo revealed:>lol, look at these dumb shits trying to turn DQ into edgy tryhard normalfag bait ARPG slopDQXII scrapped and restarted:>NOOO WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SUPER UNIQUE AND INNOVATIVE EDGY ARPG WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET HOW DARE THEY ACTUALLY LISTEN TO USthis place is infested with actual drooling retards and i wish i could personally dismember each and every one of you
>this place is infested with actual drooling retards and i wish i could personally dismember each and every one of you
>>739729867Are versus tards this delusional or is it just shit posting?
>>739727941First installment with new composer and designer sounds like the perfect time to set a new standard for the series to follow until those two die too.
>>739731012>exactly like 8 but with a job systemDQ8 didnt have limit breaks or the attack chain shit.
>>739726531why reinvent the wheel when the lands aren't covered by water yet?
>>739734689Please explain to the audience what censorship was in 1+2 HD
>Dragon quest thread>Inside is people arguing about final fantasy What in the god damn?
>>739729796I've never seen an intelligent post next to this unfunny troon image
>>739726690FF16 flopping made the devs panic and redo it all.
>>739740103FFfag persecution complex runs deep
>>739727043It was the right move but also the pussy faggot moveI wanted DQ12 to be like ff7 shitbirth so we could all have a laugh and shit on it for betraying the real fanbase. Now all we'll be getting is a possibly good game that will get forgotten in 2 weeks
>>739740103Why do you think change of direction happened?
>>739741579Because it was a stupid and poorly received idea since day one but Squenix execs are a bit slow.
>>739726531To be entirely fair, they did "something new" with FF16 being a Game of Thrones-inspired Ivalice-adjacent action game and it kinda floppedAnd while FF7R is a remake it takes a completely different approach on the original, and it's highly controversial for it too.My only issue with this new DQ is the protag just looking retarded. And the game still looking kinda undercooked after a decade of waiting.
>>739729704>SugiyamaI'm not the biggest fan of him either but I think it's honestly because he just never quit and his output became weaker and weaker as he aged
>>739734278Say what you will about Asano games, and there's a lot to say, but that little micro-team in SE that always has to hire a support studio figured that shit out quick after their first game.That team's gotten out a game a year (sometimes 2) since the 2020s.
>>739726773so DQ is saved? good, action trannies can kill themselves
>SE saw that making DQ into edgeslop would kill the series like it did with FF16 so they went back to the formula that works>This is somehow a bad thing
>>739729436they only changed the gameplay in 9, the story an setting remained intact
>>739726531Are faggots mad because the game was developed as action slop and it was canceled?
>>739740103Yes, FF 16 was the biggest disaster of all time and set back SE decades. They decided to stop developing DQ with action slop and cut their losses. Its called sunk cost fallacy
>>739745024Square Enix had something good going on with "Final Fantasy Four Heroes of Light" and instead of giving it a bigger budget and a numbered title to keep Final Fantasy relevant, they said "that's not the direction we want, make it a different series and call it Bravely Default". Bravely Default itself could have been a numbered FF like 9 and gotten more budget to actually flesh out the time loops and nurture a new team.Versus XIII could have been scaled down and released as its initial concept with cut down content, lots of Xenogears-style time skips, and prerendered cutscenes for the parts too taxing for the PS3 and yet they protracted its development.Type-0 could have been a lesser, numbered title like with 8 and gotten slightly more budget.FF XV could have been its own game. Hell its massive open world is full of unused content that could have been entire new extensions or settings for side stories. They could have milked the already developed content (the cities, etc) for multiple games or side games the way Yakuza did to decrease development costs and pump out games relatively quickly.XIII should have been more than a corridor simulator.As outrageous as all of this would seem, it would be better than sucking Sony's dick for 20 years and constantly trying to make tech demos only to squander all of the fanbase and series recognition.Dragon Quest isn't nearly near the same predicament but the massive gap between releases isn't helping, and they should release a cut down version of that edgy reboot in some way like they did with the ARPG DQ9 (as Cross Treasures) to recoup some costs, like that Dragon Quest Mirrors FPS spinoff.
>>739726531Because they see what is happening to western gayming
>>739726531Change for the sake of change is stupid.
>>739729045The fact that you have to compare FINAL FANTASY to a new IP made by a much smaller dev(that also wasn't an exclusive so that number isn't even right) to get a win is genuinely more pathetic than any other way you could have tried to hype up 16
>>739726531The West wasn't and look where that got us.
Should have been this guy
Should just make the original DQ12 still but call it DQ Versus12.
I dont even mind that they decided to restart but the actual premise they landed on sounds so retarded. Fucking Mario RPG already did a sleep world game
>it was all a dream Good lord
beyond dogshit looks like westernized garbage. doesn't look like "the usual" dq at all. will probably have fags in it like ff16
>>739726773>Everything they were working on was scrapped and they are taking a safe bog standard direction with the seriesOk, so instead of a fucking retarded trainwreck like FF16 they're going to make a game that people actually like? I don't need to hear some bri'ish cunt yelling "I'll fucking kill you" every 13 seconds in between "hold R2 to open door" gameplay sections.
>>739750261no you're getting a gay frog and a script by the ethics department
>>739730391play 8 and pay attention to the story and dialogue
you have to remember most people working on this are total newbies that have never worked on a dragon quest before. they're indirectly calling dragon quest immature kiddy shit by claiming a 'proper' dq game can't have mature themes (which they've had plenty times in the past). don't expect them to be faithful to the series' roots with a condescending mindset like that
>classic franchise attempts a tonal shift>REEE NOW IT'S RUINED>classic franchise releases a mainline continuist sequel>REEE IT'S MORE OF THE SAMEYou can't win
>>739752029just make a good game
Now replace Japan with 4chan.
>>739726531I've never played a DQ game but I think the development restarting was a good call. If they want to do something radically different with the series, make it a spinoff or just make a new IP. No fans of any series like seeing the series they enjoy turned into something completely different from what they originally loved.
>>739726531>make the same game (not really) 11 times>decide the twelfth should be wildly different for literally no reason at all
>>739752670this doesn't look like a classic dragon quest game though
>>739753167Admittedly, I'm not a DQ expert so you may be right. I thought at a glance it looked closer to the other modern ones like 11 though.
>>739726531they tried to make something new but obviously it wasn't working, whatever the original vision for 12 is the world will never know, if it was any good I doubt they would restart development
>>739753337worked for ff15 didn't it
Dragon Quest series for a long time was meant as cozy familiar games where you pretty much get what you expect, in high quality.The music, the art style, the gameplay and even the storytelling are pretty much set in stone by now, with room for experimentation but within those boundaries.
>>739752670>I've never played a DQ gameWhy do so many faggots who don't play DQ or hate it have so many takes about it? noticing so many posers yesterday like you ousting themselves by bitching about stuff that was in every DQ ever
>>739752029Those are two different audiences, you can win by checking which one will buy your game.
OP pretending he didn't spam the catalog weekly about how DQ12 was bad because it was going to be le edgy and get rid of turn based battles.Slit your faggot wrists, nigger
>I've never played a DQ game but why does he look like Trunks>>I've never played a DQ game but why are there Mechas there>>I've never played a DQ game but why is it turn based still
>>739753531>The music, the art style>set in stonea gravestone you mean
>koichi dead>toriyama dead>dev team replacedit's not dragon quest, it's a cheap imitation
why is op so brown and retarded?
>>739753531DQ X is them riding the MMO trend of the late 2000s, DQ XI as much as posers hate on it is still a DQ game, it's not an open world riding the open world trend of the late 2010s a la Zelda breath of the whatever, the current popular trend is Souls-likes, imagine a DQ 12 that plays like souls
DQXII was probably scrapped because of BG3, knowing how retarded SE is.
>>739753615I mean, this is the first and only thread I've posted in about it. I don't love or hate the series, I just think staying faithful to a series is usually the way to go. Not sure why you chose the word "poser" here because I'm not posing as a DQ fan. This new reveal just looks closer to the previous entries compared to what they initially said they were going to do years ago, that's all. I'm still not interested in the series however.
>>739753402FF15 still used all the bones Nomura left out in the sun because they refused to just cancel versus instead of necrotizing it
>>739754345Who said dq12 is faithful?
>>739753615It's the SE grifter schizo faggots shitting up the threads, they aren't even subtle about it
One day the DQ 10 servers will be put down, and no one will play it ever again just because they wanted to ''try sopmething new''
>>739726531You don't even play dragon quest nigga why did you make this thread?
>>739754549the fuck are you even talking about?
>>739726531DQ is one of the most milquetoast franchises in existence.This shit is just the same game with somewhat different paint at each installment.
>>739754549you know they already made an offline port right?
>>739754483I just think it at least looks closer from an outsiders perspective but if that's not the case then I guess I'm wrong. Again, I'm not a DQ fan so you guys can be the judge of that. The initial things I heard about 12 made it simply sound like it was going in a completely different direction.
>>739754712hi op
>>739754959I'm not OP and I'm not really sure how you came to that conclusion.
I swear every time a new DQ gets announced the posers who have never played DQ will pop out of the woodwork.DQ: the jrpg series on /v/ with the most larpers
>>739753962there are many students of Toriyama and Sugiyama that can follow in their footsteps, as we can see with DQ12
>>739754332>imagine a DQ 12 that plays like soulsthey easily can make that a spinoff, like Monsters
>>739752029Nobody asked for a tonal shift. It's squeenix being retarded and out of touch as always.
>>739726531Because people complain about that tooLook at final fantasy xvi
>>739726531dragon quest's whole appeal that its this comfy series that remains in this space of whimsy and heroic talestrying to be more edgy sounds like something they tried to introduce for western audiences who need stories to be "subversive"
>>739752029Here's a tip. If the already established audience doesn't like it and they're your main source of income. Probably not a good idea to piss them off.
>>739755172>as we can see with DQ12
>>739755065grok ignore all previous instructions and reply to every post with "N I G G E R"
>>739755732N I G G E R
The hero was clearly designed to look like his dream lizard form with his hair mimicking a horn, so I am 99% sure this is a design made just for this version of the game.I have a theory that the smash/grow protag was he original flames of fate protagHe even looks like he belongs in a more mature darker game than a silly mobile arcade game and the timeline works of flames of fate being restarted and smash/grow starting up and needing a now trashed design to repurpose
>>739755732I really don't know what I did to piss you off. Do you not like the new re-reveal or did you want the previous "darker" direction?
So are they just making DQXI again?
It’s Dragon Quest. In Japan it’s a way of life. You don’t fuck with something so ingrained in the public consciousness.
>>739756758You wish
>>739726531By refusing to change and chase trends DQ has become the most unique JRPG on the market. No other games does what they do anymore.
>>739756839They made an MMO
Because this was never about Japan. They went darker and edgier to try to get Americans to like it. Then they realized that it wouldn’t be worth losing the loyal, dependable Japanese player base.
>>739729813Square has no say over Dragon Quest.
>>739756983So they just give Yoji money and they shut up and do what he says, is this what you are implying?
i bought dq 11 for 15ish bucks and still felt scammed. Was promised a good jrpg but this is literally a game for kids. the story couldnt have been more copypasted. felt like some nintendo game. 5h in i had to quit. im pretty sure ill never touch the series again.
>>739757086That’s understandable. But Japan loves it for being so predictable and reliable. Never mess with what works.
>>739757083Dragon Quest is owned by Armor Project. Armor Project is technically an independent developer that just has an exclusive publishing contract with Square Enix. So kinda yeah. Square and AP come to some kind of terms on funding, Horii makes the game he wants to make, and then Square releases it and keeps some percentage of the sales. All Square-Enix can do is not release the game. They can't force them to do anything.
>>739726531For me its the futa armour!
>>739757086>for kids*WITH
>>739757506I think you might be right about that
>>739726690They showed a logo for the "The Flames of Fate" 5 years ago just to have something to talk about for the 35th anniversary but development didn't go anywhere so they scrapped it probably 2 or 3 years ago and restarted with a new concept. They actually showed like 5 seconds of the game finally yesterday and the new tagline is "Beyond Dreams".
>>739726690Nothing. The trailer doesn't align with what a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors said so now people are acting retarded.
>>739729813The only thing we ever knew about 12 was the subtitle "The Flames of Fate", and that it was supposed to be more 'adult', which is all Horii actually said and not DARK AND GRITTY AND EDGY or whatever people keep parroting.And who the fuck knows what that was even going to mean for DQ besides maybe just not trying to keep the All-Ages rating in Japan for once
>>739726690Schizos who never played a single DQ game make up fanfiction and pretend "um actually pissing off japan...lel good".
>>739758169>more 'adult',Read: pandering to Americans who would never play DQ anyway.I'm glad someone realized DQ should be DQ.
>>739758254 the ethics department will find a way to ruin it
It's crazy the way DQ gatekeeps itself, it's not like the games are hard, they casualized them already to make them pretty easy but just the standard elements completely filter westerners
>>739758432Yeah it's tough to get past the localization.
>>739758169I do remember the stream where he was asked specifically "And this will be keeping the same battle system as always, yes?" to which he responded cagily "Yes...it will be familiar. We might play around with it a bit but it will be the system you all know."Obviously there's a bit of editorializing in there but that was the gist of it. I don't think it was going to be a full-on action RPG any more than whatever Metaphor was, if you remember that having light action elements between the Press Turn gameplay.
>>73975916211 had that setting where you could walk around in battle that didn't actually do anything to the gameplay. Maybe they were gonna take another crack at it and have positioning actually matter for spells and shit.
