>What if we all just fucking killed ourselves?
OP, you should listen to the voices
Do you think video games will eventually become a dying medium with the way the industry is going?
>>739728192Not until we get Video Games 2
>>739728040I am not allowed to die
>>739728192I want to have hope but I just don't know any more. I'm genuinely afraid to see how much the PS6 and NXTbox will cost when they eventually drop
>>739728192>computer component prices soar>electricity prices soar>everyone loses their jobFuture of gaming is streaming from the cloud (in a pod)
>>739728401>(in a pod)That's very optimistic.
>>739728040This isn't convincing me to open up my shekel purse to consoom.
>>739728192They are a dying medium.But also they can rise from the ashes like a phoenix, with modern tools it's easier than it has ever been to make actually good games so I'm not worried in the slightest, in fact I welcome the "death" of the medium.
I'm going back to my 6 giant tubs of lego from my childhood
>>739728192AAA games that arent live service are definitely gonna die out. By 2030 I expect the it'll just be indies and Chinese gacha games.
>>739728192considering the industry is still making money hand over fistno
>>739728192works on my machine
>>739728550posted it again award
>>739728192hopefully
>>739728040GOG will outlast them all
>>739728192If things continue this way then the games we know will die out and only zoomer phone games will be left since everyone has a phone nowadays.
>>739728738>I LOVE INDIE GAMES
>>739728983We don't usually post selfies on this site
>>739728738Indiefags are the vegans of gaming
>>739729089Nice set up.>Slop eater has no sense of tastePassing to you Anon.
>>739728983>>739729089>UUUUUGHHHHHHHHH THERE'S NOTHING TO PLAY!>why not play games that are specialized for specific tastes rather than mass appeal slop?>UGHHHHHHHHHHHH STUPID INDIE FAG YOU'RE JUST THE VEGAN OF GAMING!
>>739729475Burned those grotesque freaks back to their dead drama board, King
>>739728192There will 100% definitely be another videogame crash like in the 80's. Current shit is not sustainable. Only question is when the bubble pops.
>>739729475>Roguelike deck builder>Metroidvania Platformer >Soulless "spiritual successors" of a classic series*Yawns*
>>739731515look for the games you like instead of the games you dont like.it really isnt that hard.
>>739728738post 3 good indie games
>>739728040>Everyone is killing themselves except Nintendo>Still puts Nintendo thereWhy are PC peasants like this? Is it mental illness or retardation?
>>739731556what kinds of games do you like then?
>>739728040ah yes, the great second video game crash
it keeps happening oh god
>>739731551Show me an indie MH game and I will play it
>>739731436Not only can it crash, commercial game development can cease forever. There are thousands of lifetimes worth of games that have already been made. You guys can all go home now.
>>739731632anything that isn't just a worse version of something I already played 20+ years ago or a rougelite deckbuilder
>>739728192>Do you think video games will eventually become a dying mediumIt's already a dying medium thankfully. It's an aging medium, younger people don't care about games like we did when we were their age and Nintendo spiritually gave up ever since the middle of the original Switch's lifecycle, so hopefully the PS6 and Xbox Helix finish the job and put the industry out of its misery. Video games wont die, though it'll just become a sea of time water indie games with a few that manage to actually try but end up feeling like everything else.I stand by this, but if VR/AR took off, you'd see a resurgence, but nobody wants this. They just want to do the same thing they've been doing for decades, so it's not a matter of "if" the industry is going to fall but "how soon will it happen".
>>739729475Every indie game is woke trannyslop, kill yourself.
>>739732356nah quantum computing will change games. but it necessitates all the cloud gaming bullshit. all the normalniggers will play their sim games on their and hardcore low latency local gaming will be a niche like today
>>739731859the only reason monster hunter is still around despite constantly getting worse is because there isnt an equivalent.this is the part where (you) need to make your own monster hunter indie game with blackjack and hookers, topple the giant.>>739731872that doesnt help me at all.
>>739728192Core gaming is already an aging and shrinking demographic. The future is mobile and metaverse (Roblox/Fortnite).
>>739732528Quantum computing does nothing for gaming. It exists to send BTC to zero and that's it.
>>739731556>mascot horrorshit 5>polygon shooter delux>comfy builder uwu trannysimyour move chud
>>739728192Lol no. Old guys are separate from the new wave of gamers that grow up in video game ecosystems like Roblox.
>>739732731>mascot horrorshit 5I hope cubezibart makes it out in 6!
>>739732528>nah quantum computing will change gamesQuantum computing would require dozens of major breakthroughs to even come close to reaching the average consumer. For fucks sake it currently requires near absolute zero temperatures for them to even attempt it.
>>739728192>video games>the way the industry is goingNigga, every economy in the world is tanking. We're hurtling into a dark age for humanity as a whole.
>>739732794KEK
>>739732910except America because it's run by a genius president who cares about Americans.
>>739732726It changes the entire logic of the game and makes actual real life simulations possible. cod, fifa, forza, all the shit normies play are walking sims or gun ball sims perfectly suited for it. and they won't care about cloud latency>>739732801Cloud infrastructure already there
>>739732576>that doesnt help me at all.I am literally just looking for anything that has actual creative vision behind it like games used to have and doesn't just feel like another indie game (derogatory).
>>739732979play ultrakill then>inb4 buttplugignore that, just play the game.
>>739732801They said personal quantum computers just for gaming were impossible. They also said the Autoblow could never be done, yet here we are with a machine that mastered physics, logistics, and relentless suction. Science always finds a way when the motivation is strong enough.
>>739728983>basedfags are known for being corporate bootlickers, enjoying major brand slop like starwars>anon tries to be contrarian and uses the meme completely wrong
>>739733035Liking indie games isnt a personality, it's the most bootlicker thing you can do.
>>739733025I never said impossible. It's also naive to think the scientific progress is infinite though that doesn't mean we stop trying.
>>739731623
>>739732979Why look? Fuck indiens, just play retro bro. Currently playing gunbird and P.N.03
>>739733019>Tranny Doom cloneHow creative
>>739728040only the far right is shit
>>739733158its too fast to be a doom clone.
>>739732576Theres profound commedy in what you said, because MH was itself inspired by Jurassic Park. It just goes to show how fucking lazy the modern gamer is, or rather, how casual gaming has become. Telling someone to make their own shit wasn't out there, it was the norm to be inspired and go make your own derivative games based on something you loved.MH itself isn't even that conplex of a formula, its just been iterated to hell and back across decades, and Capcom was smart enough to capitalize on mobile gaming for the Japanese market. There potentially exists a live service Switch/PC MH spinoff that makes its money by selling "seasons" of monsters and maps to hunt on, that works on a model where only a single player needs to own the seasonal shit. IE your buddy only needs to own the DLC, and you can play it with him free of charge so long as he invites you.Make the models lowish fidelity for smootb gameplay, but scale em up to how big they got on the Vita games, not quite SOTC size but bigger than wilds, stylize the shit out of the graphics, anf make the moment to moment gameplay itself satisfying enough, and you'd have a hit.
>>739733158>doom cloneSo are you actually looking for creative vision or do you just reduce everything to its most bare essentials and then find something that vaguely fits that? Ultrakill is nothing like Doom at all besides being an FPS game.
go dam frogs
>>739733213>Not that complex formula>Still not a successful competitor in 20 yearsLol
>>739728040You just know the original of this triggered someone high enough up the corpo ladder to initiate a "akshually EVERYONE is equally bad lmao, amirite Gamers?" astroturfing campaign.You can tell by how the original slowly crept through different social media domains over the course of months, but this version popped up everywhere at once in the span of a week or so.In short - go fuck yourself Randy, you lost
>>739733068Whos boot are you licking?Greg from down the street?
>>739733068define "bootlicker" for the class, Anon
>>739733239he's probably only trying to "prove a point" about indie games only being "worse derivatives" with no actual intent to play indie games.
>Steam has to adjust the pricing like everyone else due to AI>Everyone acts like they're a parasite within gaming or have fucked their momsGonna give it four weeks until it blows over or three years before it will get cheaper than the switch 2. They respond to all types of feedback if pushed hard enough. Honestly seeing more posts dickriding the news that hype Nintendo up as a side note. Like damn, what is it with those rationalizations? One system fucking up doesn't validate the other automatically, they're all shit.
>>739731556No man's skyExpedition 33Star citizenI could go on.
>>739733480>doesn't post a single indie game4/10 bait
>>739728192>AAAYes. Most new games (including live service games) have tons of money pumped into them for only maybe 10K players to be online after a week or two. That or they just flop immediately. Most normalfags have noticed that there is "nothing to play" and you are seeing people seethe about "ball and gun" games when in reality, there just isn't any AAA games for them to attach to. The AAA industry is going to completely collapse if GTA 6 fails, because normalfags will have 0 confidence in gaming if Grand Theft Auto 6, the game they are all waiting for, flops.>indieYes, but only because it is incredibly saturated. Indie games will always exists but by definition will always remain mostly small time.The future of gaming in general is going to be companies scouting out indie games in development and looking to pump tons of money into them. They are seeing developers like Hakita and Toby Fox making these games that rake in millions upon millions while working on an incredibly small budget (compared to their profit). You're going to see publishers start to morph into companies like New Blood who seek out talent and fund their projects to tap into their profit. Publisher-founded developers or "holding development teams" as a name to fill with random developers is going away. In fact, I don't think "dev teams" as a business will really be a thing. It'll just be publishers, followed by "a game by [lead dev]" and then his team. So when they no longer think that talent is useful, they'll just end their contract and find more talent.In short, ya video games will probably crash as an industry and then emulate the music industry in how it runs (publishers scouting talented dev teams who are in essence their own independent entities).
>>739733514>nu uhYes. Cope and dilate.
>>739733480>2 scams and an AA game (not indie)
>>739733480You deserve credit for at least responding with real video games.
>>739731556BalatroSlay the SpireJackie Chan
>>739728040Nintendo is doing fine for now though. We already know how their price increase will be at least.
>>739731556epic battle fantasy 3epic battle fantasy 4epic battle fantasy 5
>>739733697>ask for 3 good indie games>get back 2 deckbuilder rougelites and a placehold non-answerthis is way more brutal than I thought it would be, jesus man, indies can't be in THAT bad of a state
>>739731556The ones I played and liked most recently:>silksong>unbeatable>baba is you>rusted mossstill have katana zero installed, gotta get around to that
>>7397336291/10still responded
>>739728040Bold strategy, Cotton, etc.
>>739733213>>739733319i think its more that getting into gamedev these days is a daunting task with all you have to worry aboutthen for people that get past that hurdle you have to consider>do i really just want to make a clone, or should i make something new?
>>739733707>steam deck>true 1000 nit HDR oled>switch 2>rat ass LCD with some of the worst latency imaginable>"but muh resolution"it's a 7" display, it already has higher ppi than a 4K monitor. increasing resolution is just going to degrade performance and battery life for diminishing returns
>>739733870Explain the zillion soulsclones pumped yearly then
Doomkeks are fucking hilarious, they can't stop regurgitating retarded sloptuber opinions. Vidya revenue has been steadily increasing year after year with no signs of stopping and yet they refuse to see the real world for what it is and live in their really small bubble. Sad.
>>739733908souls games are big enough that everyone wants to try and tap in on that success.
>>739733949infinite growth is not possible.pretending that it is is a surefire way to see your company collapse.
>>739733949>projectedalso guess how much of that is actual good games versus gacha slop whaling and mobile game microtransactions
>>739733965>souls games are big enough that everyone wants to try and tap in on that success.Yet none are indie (Metroidvania Platformers aren't souls)
>>739734032yes, its a greed driven craze which is why you have shitty studios pumping the clones for the most part.
>>739733998>infinite growth is not possibleNo shit Sherlock but there is more people today than a decade or two ago.>>739734024Look up game revenue 10 and 20 years ago. Today games sell more than ever and its not just gacha, Capcom was in decline a decade ago but nowadays is selling tons of shit.
>>739731556Binding of IsaacRisk of Rain 1Risk of Rain 2 (pre-Gearbox)FTLTerrariaNuclear ThroneThe Desolate Hope
>>739731556Crystal ProjectVoid StrangerProdigalLook OutsideNine SolsAgainst the StormUFO 50Super Puzzled CatBat to the HeavensGod I love indie games.
>>739733456>Like damn, what is it with those rationalizations? One system fucking up doesn't validate the other automatically, they're all shit.Who's gonna tell him?
>>739728192No it's just going to move more and more into freenium gatcha chink slop, which is a fate far worse than death
>>739731436two more weeks
>>739729475Your fatal error was thinking anons want to play video games
>>739734160>Look up game revenue 10 and 20 years agoYeah I know, great, and games are worse today than ever. Proficiency at extracting money does not mean quality, it means to proficiency at extracting money. The market was better when brown people couldn't participate and normalfags thought video games were for nerds. That's when the passionate people and pioneers were still around, there was natural gatekeeping from the skill gap necessary to make games that filtered out the bad ideas. Now any faggot retard can make a game and everything sucks. Indie sucks. AAA sucks. It's just a sea of shit. Bad ideas are everywhere. It's just like the death of music with soundcloud.
>>739733456Brother all those threads aren't even including any stated reasons for the price hike. They dogpile it hard while those that include them are drowned out.
>>739734346Based, sometimes I feel sorry for the jaded faggots that browse this place but then I remember they are in a cage out of their own volition. They'll refuse to play anything that doesn't adhere to their retarded standards and then complain about the industry not pandering to them. Meanwhile some of us (the actual vidya enjoyers) have several lifetimes worth of backlog.
>>739733649Star citizen has no publisher, and is independently funded. By all metrics it is an AA game
>>739734631Why do Steamies like to flex they hoard games they will never play?>Ughhh my backlog is soooo big.....
>>739734675scam citizen isn't a gameI still can't bring it up around retarded friends who were stupid enough to buy ships.
>>739732972why would i want realistic physics in my arcade racer? we already have beamng for that
>>739734698Cuz I can
>>739734852>Buying games you won't even play
>>739734898Yep. Cuz I can. In any case you also have several lifetimes worth of games you can emulate, but I know zoomers will literally die if they were to play a game released before current year. Sucks to be you, I guess.
>>739731556OnirismDominionsJackie chan
>>739732979Play Tainted Grail Fall of Avalon. Not an indie but a very good AA contender to Skyrim .
>>739731556Outer WildsSignalisDisco ElysiumUnironically.
>>739733068????
>>739728192AAA will end up suiciding themselves in the pursuit of shareholder driven autism. I expect to see indiefags outside of the usual depression simulators carving out niches for themselves in the rolling chaos.
>>739728040qrd on why everyone is in this image now?
>>739731556>Kenshi>Survivalist Invisible Strain>Brigador
>>739733480>Scam CitizenLoleLmoa
>>739736551>gabe box us overpriced>rothchild or whoever is running the anti valve shill campaign starts beating the drum that its over for valve
>>739736551Gayben got into a fight with the notorious banking family so he has to kow tow and repent for his sins.
>>739728192Depends what you define as gaming. "Premium" games will definitely die down a lot.
>>739736551Steam Deck got a huge price increase.
>>739733068>shoemuncher calling anyone else a boot garglerLike bread and butter
>>739728040/v/ be like>every game from the last 10 years is shite>nooo I need to buy cutting edge hardware!!
>>739733870Yes, but at the same time many people fall jnto the trap of being a one man operation because certain devs manage to pull it off. But people forget games like Owlboy took a decade to develop, and Toby Fox might take just as long for Deltarune even with a small team behind him, on top of Temmi who is an incredibly talented artist.You dont NEED to fly solo, its just easier. And with Indies taking the place of AA, and even with games like Road to Vostok again, one man operation, pushing like 50,000 copies, people are desperate to play literally fucking anything so long as theres a kernel of fun.Chasing trends is fine if you understand why those trends are popular. Souls clones are popular because difficulty in games is desd, and people actually want real RPG mechanics in their games. This was why BG3 took off despite being a 7/10 at best, because the depth of customization was off the charts especially compared to say Skyrim which is the gold standard for the AAA wide as a puddle, deep as a spill "role playing game" in name only experience.If someone were to make a spin off MH game, as long as you capture the essence, people who like MH will like the spin off. That essence being its fun to hunt huge ass fucking monsters, and getting good at hunting them. Sort of a boss rush style of game, but you're both equally as powerful, the opposite of Souls actually where souls is very asymetric.
>>739731556warning forevervanguard princessrecettear
how does the industry recover from pricing people out en masse
>>739736878I don't thinks that's actually happening desuThe PS5 has sold 92 million, and I thinktthat's been too expensive from day onePeople complain but they do pay up
>>739736878>>739736954It doesn't. Both PS5 and Xbox Series are each down from their previous gens, which means the total installbase for home consoles has shrunk. It'll get even smaller when next gen comes out. People will either quit gaming as a whole or move onto tablet/phone games, maybe even some shit PC or laptop because no way in hell are these single moms or retail working weed smokers affording a next gen console or decent gaming PC.
>>739728738Indie is dead.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBYpnRw5ly4
>>739736878Kids play Roblox or Fortnite on their phones as their parents can't afford consoles, but eventually, the kid will get a phone.
>>739737424well mixtape is a fake indie game so...
>>739737446So is E33, but it won "best debut indie" anyway.
>>739732770I know old guys in their 60s that can barely see that somehow know how to install a bypassed w11 with bloat stripped out and a disable the updates(and they even use open shell) but I got people near my age who can't even fucking figure out how to fucking switch audio devices or change the fucking resolution. We are fucked
>muh chip shortage (made up bullshit)>oh, i know! let’s push the cost onto the customerfucking braindead behaviour. if my current hardware dies then i guess that’s it. im not paying $2+ grand for something i could get for 1 grand a year ago. just not happening.
>>739733649>no man's sky is a scam>actually has had 10 expansions worth of updates and just had another set of things added to it just yesterdayIt certainly didn't have a good launch though. Thankfully I got it for 10 bux thanks to that.
>>739729475>look at indie developer list>all fags and troonsyeah, nice try cuck
>>739729089>indies are the vegans of gaming>meanwhile AAA gaming has no meat to it and often are walking simulators with prompts and no replay valuelol
>>739731556Void StrangerRift Wizard 2UFO 50And that's just of the top of my head.
>>739737524 inflation happens because companies remember to be greedy. when prices stop going up it's because companies forgot what greed is.
>>739731623I remember when the Steam Deck released, and you tendies were coping about PC and Nintendo being two sides of the same coin, because PC players had every last one of your games. All it took was Switch 2 not having a year 1 crack for you guys to 180 and start huffing your own fumes again, pretending everyone is beneath you when Switch 2 has been the weakest console launch in Nintendo's history, kek. You're a bunch of pathetic culture warring faggots, just as annoying as Snoys.
>>739738004>culture warringI meant console warring, but you fags make what pile of plastic waste you play on part of your personality, so it's basically your culture
>>739737505It's kinda crazy that the newer generations are somehow both the most tech-addicted people on the planet who were almost literally raised by their iPads, and somehow the most tech-illiterate who don't understand how any of it actually works and may as well have been conjured into being by wizards as far as they're concerned.
>>739738004>>739738137You just did exactly what you were complaining about anon.Do you even look in a mirror?
How is steam adding 200 bucks to the price tag of a side product steam killing itself?
>>739728040Only in a perfect world.
>>739738515We don't talk about the reasons, or about them being typically open to feedback if enough comes in, we just lump it up all together after a singular price up.
>>739728192Hopefully
>>739738515It's not they just shot their hand off instead.
>>739732356PS6 will be saved by the handheld. Xbox Helix is fucked because it's a PC, good news is Xcucks will die with Steamies.
>>739728738>roguelike>roguelike>roguelike>cards>cards>cards>metroidvania>metroidvania>metroidvania>vampsurvivor clone>walking simulator>depression quest
>>739738784>>739731551
>>739728738I want AAA kino though. Indie games are nice but sometimes you want to have games that feel like they have had a gigantic budget behind them and the production value to show for it.
>>739738887>AAA>kino
>>739737502and dave the diver too
>>739728192Hopefully The world needs bands of genocidal marauding men
>>739728040Steam has a lot of autistic retarded fans. Same as nintendo and scam Citizen.Gaben could delete their whole library and they will just say "oh well i had too many games anywayxD".
>>739728738Look...i don't want to play pixel shit. I wouldnt even mind graphics of 2000s, but not this.
>>739739070the difference is that gaben wont delete my whole library while consoles effectively delete your library every time a new one comes out.
>>739739104plenty of indies that arent pixelshit.look for what you like, not what you dont.
>>739739105And here's one of them.
>>739739129>plenty of indies that arent pixelshitSuch as? And dont say e33 please.
>>739739131The truth makes you angry.
>>739739157depends, what kind of games do you like?
What will people shitpost about when the deck goes back to its original price?
>>739739104>>739739157I can't even think of recent indie games that use pixel art outside of deltarune.
>>739739187you can never win with shitposters, they'd find a way to complain about him lowering the price.>heh, valve lowered the deck's price.>that means valve knows its doing poorly!
>>739738784>>739731515What room temp IQ must one have to make these "arguments"? Do you not know how to search via tags you fucking retards
>>739739182Just for the sake of the argument. Give me the most succesful indie games of 2025.
>>739739357pretty sure that mewgenics and slay the spire are the 2 biggest ones
>>739739303>that means valve knows its doing poorly!uhhhh, yeah... that's... that's exactly the reason why companies lower the prices of their products
>>739733284hors
>>739728192Gaming started dying when the ps3/360 released, and now we're seeing it's death throes. There's nothing interested coming out anymore and it's all engineered to scam peoples money
>>739739357as the other anon said, "top recent indie" would be mewgenics and slay the spire 2 if you're fine with games from 2026 too.there's also silksong which is 2025there's also a shit load of friendslop, none of which is pixelshit.
>>739728040it's the jews
>>739739357>>739739486oh yeah, and just gunning for the most popular indie games misses the point of indie completely.
>>739739486>mewgenicsnot indie>slay the spire 2not indie>silksongnot indie
>>739739618>eeeeerrrrrrrrrmmmmmmm these indie games arent actually indie!have you considered killing yourself?
>>739728040Sonyfags first I want to live long enough to see them suffer
>>739739131I've had a Nintendo account since the 3DS and WiiU, they know what games I've bought from them, why can't I download a game I've bought on 3DS or WiiU on my Switch or Switch2?
>>739731556Poke All ToadsBombunATLYSS
>>739731556Battle BrothersFactorioNoita
>>739728371Well hello there Mister Anonymous-man. Just take a look around and you will see that /v/ is ashes, therefore you have my permission to die.t. your big man
>>739739717Nigger, why are you keep bringing nintenbro into this?
>>739739486Okay. Give me indie games that arent platformers.
>>739739949deltarune, ultrakill, and abiotic factor.
>>739739357>>739739618These are the subhuman fucking filth you dumb retards try to have a discussion with. They don't even play video games anymore and just exist here to complain and shitpost and you morons actually continue engaging with these cunts and take these threads seriously.
>>739739949How about you eat a shotgun shell instead, you disingenuous faggot?
>>739740001its fun to watch them squirm and constantly move goalposts so that they can bitch some more.
>>739728040I wish, nigga. I want to be the only human on earth. I hate everyone damnit.
I just realized something faggots.Indie games mean independent games.Any game that isn't independent is dependent. And if independent = indie, then dependent = die.>die gamesThat's literally what's happening to AAA games with big publishers right now. They are dying left and right while indies flourish.
>>739728738
>>739742056fixed
>>739728192Just AAA and PC gaming, console gaming will live under Nintendo, Sony, quality indies, A, and AA studios.
>>739742056>>739742484holy cope
>>739738887>fun? no thanks>graphics? no thanks>story? no thanks>i just want the investment to be a big numberwhat brain disease causes this?
>>739728192I think the AAA bubble will pop, if GTAVI under performs it's over right there.And that's a very good thing, in the 90s they pushed out absolute kino after kino in 1-2 years, now you're waiting 10 years for garbage that is completely sanitized because it has to appeal to as many people as possible to make its money back.
>>739742593Autism
>>739742667>I think the AAA bubble will pop, if GTAVI under performs it's over right there.It's the actual final bastion so this will be fun when it finally does come out.I hope it does pop as well so they can stop wasting so much fucking money into these games when they don't need such massive budgets.
>he thinks nintendo isn't winningmovies, theme parks, doubling their workforce by building a second office
>>739728040You first.
>>739728738I don't want to play 2d roguelikes forever
>>739728192Yes. Say thanks to israel
>>739742961winning by getting out of gaming
>>739743394seethe lil bro
>>739728192Two more weeks.Just like TV.
>>739728738Procedurally generated deckbuilding roguelite female protagonist story rich emotional survivalcraft with a female protagonist.
>>739728192No
>>739728040Some dumb handheld PC not being immune to the current hardware market is not the end of the world. Sorry, but you'll have to continue living.
>>739728192Yeah, not because of anything actually happening to video games, but people will spend their time throwing spoons at doom-sissies like you instead for being wrong and depressed all the time.
