Admit it, you can’t 1CC it
I can 1-all it if that counts
I still don't get CAVE
I can 1cc stage 1...sometimes
>>739737193To "get" CAVE you need the context of 90s japanese arcade culture.It's a branch of STG devs, coming mostly from Toaplan(but not exclusively) who specialized in appealing to genre enthusiasts: trying to figure out how to design games around them both in terms of challenge and what makes them fun to play. Most of that is born from a mix of field tests and keeping themselves in touch with the community that existed back then. CAVE games were always aimed at those players rather than a random schmuck walking into an arcade place, even if they did make some deliberate attempts at bringing newfags in with things like Mushi Original and Deathsmiles. They certainly don't expect you to 2-ALL DOJ before you are deep into STGs, of course.
IS ELEVATOR ACTION RETURNS WORTH 21 DOLLARYDOOS
Peak aesthetics, such great art
>>739737193I don't know, it's funUnless you're digging into the esoteric score bullshit it's generally pretty straightforward video gaming
>>7397335721-ALL yes.2nd loop is fucked though. I don't know if I'll ever even get up to Hibachi
mork
>>739738585This pic reminds me I need to try the newer Cotton games at least once eventually.
>mork stops covering shmups>/v/ stops caring about shmupsim noticing
I did loop it and immediately died in 2-1 thoughbeit>>739738414>unlessI honestly liked them way more once I started playing these games for score
For me it's when Mork pretends to be a 3D action gamer despite not clearing the games
>>739739576wtf i recognize that cockits posted on /mu/ kpg all the time. saw it a few days ago, in fact.
>>739740082doj is better than dfk
>>739739159It's almost like his followers are larpers like him.
Why no MN NG 2 stream morky?
Why was Iuchi forced out and Ubusuna cancelled? Does word ever come out of these things from devs or studios over there?
>>739733572I wish these cunts would port Daioujou to PC but no, we get another version of Daifukkatsu insteadEmulation latency feels just a little too rough for meFuck, maybe I'll toddlemax and buy a Switch
DILDO ON THE FRONT PAGE
>>739741460I ain't playin with no diiildo
>>739740930>Emulation latencyshmupmame?>Switchbut that's latency hell
>>739739576Jannies sleeping.
>>739740690Have you seen his gameplay? I don't believe for a second he played above acolyte lmao
>>739733572I can't even 1CC Ikaruga :/
>i have hundreds of hours in ninja gaiden>save file clearly shows brand new gameUH
>>739742661You can't unlock master without clearing mentor and getting emblem as proof. This nigga used a trainer.
>watch an old shmup video of morks>it's actually greatWhat happened to him?
>>739733572i've seen this in /v/ recs beforepretty cool cover but didnt expect it'll be a shmupanything i need to know before trying them out?
>>739738774Out of those I only like the BEEP ones
>>739743362>anything i need to know before trying them out?If you are in for survival, you might want to learn about the differences between the ships and the dolls(aka shot types), hitboxes, and the dynamic difficulty system being largely related to how you are using Hypers(other than dying). The game also has a hidden extra life in stage 4, other than the ones you can get from score.If you are in for score, chaining mechanics in Donpachi series is something you will have to learn, and either figure out some routes on your own or just watch how other people are doing each stage. In DOJ it's possible to keep your chain active for the entire stage, plus you have to find hidden bee items to access the second loop.
Nonschizo shmup thread let's gooooo
>>739740639
>>739733572It's too hard for it's own good. It's hard to the point it isn't fun
>>739740930Shumparch has below board lag
>>739744178>it's a mork gets literal factual information incorrect episode like when he said you can infinitely dodge in bayonetta
>>739744268Can't you?
>>739744320Anon you HAVE played Bayonetta right?if you genuinely haven't, then no you can't, Bayonetta herself can only dodge 5 times before being sent into an un-cancellable animation, to prevent spamming. Jeanne, an unlockable character, can indeed dodge infinitely, but to present an unlockable character as if it's the default is highly dishonest
>>739738047Yes it is.
>>739744268>God Hand video>dodging takes timing>FPS camera>early game footage
>>739744368I have years ago5 times is more than I ever needed to
>>739744654play on NSIC broski
>>739744209It's one of the easiest Cave games, wtf!?>only five stage long>exy type melts eveything and has overall good speed>survival route is very simplified, since most patterns are static to encourage chaining>hyper can save your ass on activation
>>739744101thanks, anon
recommend shmups with the BEST music and art because if they dont have that playing the same 5-8 stages for weeks on end to get a 1cc would literally drive me insane
>>739745381Sounds like you're a Taitochad
>>739745381The one in OP
>>739742938Realized he can live off patreonbux while occasionally dropping a "new game = le bad" video
>>739745235doj is EASILY one of the hardest cave games. i have a few shmup 1ccs like mushi, deathsmiles, raiden fighters, and i think doj is very difficult. up there with ketsui. youre just crazy saying this game is easy.
tell me more about the dolls
>>739746764Why do they wear the mask
>>739733572I have the Donpachi 1-all
>>739745705>mushiBalanced around multiple difficulties. DOJBL 1-ALL is equivalent to Original. WL can be slightly below Maniac, I believe.>deathsmilesAnother game with multiple difficulties. Lv1+Rosa obviously turns the game into easy mode.>raiden fightersNot a cave shmup.>ketsuiThis game is too honest to be compared to DOJWL. It's up there with Ibara and SDOJ, but below Pink Sweets and Dangun Feveron>no hyper system>can't quick kill bosses>you're encouraged to point blank enemies even for survival>small bullet sprites>no broken ship like A/B-EXYBut again, almost none of this matters, cus muscle memory affects the individual experience of each player. I have countless hours on DOJBL after spending a whole year attempting to clear the second loop. No Miss/1 Miss was the bare minimal and average first loop conclusion.
I want to try a DOJ 1-ALL but I haven't even done that with DDP yet which is probably the easier game
https://x.com/soc_saudade/status/2059313332625272938https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2781329913SOC got the ketsui ura clear extremely fast. not that surprising for the best touhou player though
>>739733572I 1cc'd almost all the popular meme shmups at this point, only a handful left. All I'm really thinking is>I want to full chain these stages>I want to 2-ALL this game>I want a letter scoreSo nothing really special about that
>>739749090>not that surprising for the best touhou player thoughWtf how can this be???? My best friend, the Onimai avatarfag, says Touhou is for casuals that don't even play the games, let alone other shmups
>mfw onimai avatarfag literally spends more time shitposting than playing
>>739750629>My best friendSince when?
>>739745381Radiant SIlvergun
Man, these threads sure are quiet without the avatarfag around. I wonder what he's been up to lately.
>>739751419He's playing raizing games.
>>739751419It's ok I can be your "avatarfag"(not exactly what it means if your pics are all on-topic and don't even represent the same character but still) if you want.However, I don't really have shitty takes to go along with it and find arcade STGs a fun genre to take no more seriously than any other form of vidya.
>>739751630>However, I don't really have shitty takesLet's not get ahead of ourselves, I don't think I've ever seen you make a single post of value
>>739750629To be completely honest, a perfect Touhou LNN can be harder than most other things, depending on the game. If you aren't using the hypers then 20 becomes unreal levels of hard, because the game shoves them in your face (they're automatic) and 15 has some serious bullshit. 12 is also very fucking hard in that regard. Those are challenge runs, but I figure any autist who's done them can decimate damn near anything else. Modern 2hu is just "ZUN designs a pattern he thinks is cool while disregarding the balance of it because players are handed 70 bombs/hypers" so avoid using those and ouch
>>739751718Depends on what kind of value we are talking about here. Like that archived post is a massive off-topic /pol/bait shitpost.
>>739751792>a perfect Touhou LNN can be harder than most other thingThis is a bit of retarded thing to say, as a basic lunatic clear is extremely easy. ZUN is very bad at shmups and does not know how to play them.https://youtube.com/shorts/88D3gZ_a49EThis would normally actually be okay, but he also does not really use playtesters. So to say an arbitrary ruleset is harder than X is pointless, because you may as well say an arbitrary ruleset is much easier than a world recorder.The touhou community is full of a lot of cognitive dissonance and smoke and mirrors like this.
>>739751925I'm looking at the thread and it looks like he just killed a thread that moderation refused to delete for some reason, and since it only has 3 replies, I have to assume the person who made it is in this thread.
>>739751995But a standard Lunatic clear isn't the same as a challenge run, and while most challenge runs aren't too bad, the ones I named are pretty challenging. The games aren't designed around these challenges, but if someone has actually done a perfect run of say, Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom, that's not something to brush off because that means doing a perfect PDH on top of everything else. I do agree that ZUN's game balancing is wacky though, he really should have more playtesters since he can't even do Lunatic anymore. Meme runs shouldn't be compared to standard arcade 1ccs but a player has to have that mix of skill and sheer autism that lets them ascend
>>739745381Dangun FeveronEschatos
>>739752437>isn't the same as a challenge runI know that which is why I'm saying it's misleading to say these runs the games were definitely not designed to be played like are not representative of what touhou is like. And because of this, it's a super gay and retarded way to play these games. It's like saying beating Mario without jumping is the proper way to play mario because it is harder. But the problem is these games are not fun to play, and adding these rulesets onto them make them even less fun to play.
are 1-ALLs cool?
>>739752881They're half cool. 2-ALL are cool.
>>739752881Why not. Looping is more of an equivalent to extra content or a way to reward players who can already 1cc all the stages on their intended difficulty.
>>739752648Pretty much, I never saw the point of actively fighting a game's design, like beating a game without getting hit once in a game that has player HP. The player HP is there so that you can take a hit. Lives and bombs are in a shmup so you can get away with a few imperfections.>>7397528811-ALLs are fairly impressive. I always saw loops as devs going "oh shit you're still alive, okay then, see how far you get now" because loops mattered to scoring. Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I think that played a part.
>>739753637>Maybe I'm completely wrong, but I think that played a part.Fundamentally not because the arcade model is supposed to reward scoring, and early STGs had basically no real scoring system beyond killing shit and maybe collecting items, so there is technically a score cap.A solution against that would be to make the game loop indefinitely, or have the second loop be so much of a difficulty spike that very few people should be able to score their way into it.
CAVE is shit. Taito is forever.
>>739754721They're both great. Stop inciting brother wars like a faggot, discussion on /v/ is sparse enough as is
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, nyo
>>739756913Show the 1CC then.
luv me dangun feveron
Bomb
Some eceleb wannabe streamer is planning to do a scoring tournament of my favorite shmup next month, but I'm not joining.
>>739739165reading comprehension
>>739745381Hellsinker
>>739751792This is true for everything where you are expected to bomb/hyper though. In fact those are way harder than 2hu perfects considering people don't even think about playing those games without those (it's suicide)Reminds me how we used to have no-vert/pacifist challenges in 2hu just because the baseline difficulty wasn't enough. This wouldn't be viable in most arcade shmups because of the way popcorns are designed to charge and rape you
>>739762064There is a DOJ TAS showing you both loops on 0 score.You can see first-hand how insane would the game be if you really wanted to do a pacifist run.
Every time I get close to clearing a game my blood starts boiling, even when I give myself a lot of extra time and tell myself not to rush it always happens.https://youtu.be/bMT6gda3OWs
>>739733572What is a good shmup that can run on a toaster?
>>739765090Cygni
>>739757079I kinda got annoyed with the full stage chaining in this game. I mightve powered through if the final boss wasn't also broken, but overall the prospect of clearing it in a way I wanted wore me down. I'll get it eventually, but man this is a very flawed game. Even the way the bosses move feels kind of weird for a CAVE, like they'll bob up and down and murk you with contact damage if you pointblank, which is already pretty hard to do as is in this game.
I thought that was Patrick in the thumbnail
It's amazing how much better these threads immediately become if you word filter "mork"
>all those channels of people playing when you started where someone hasn't uploaded a clear in over 6 months:|
>>739767463I don't really care all that much, the only bad part is the character action guy who very clearly doesn't play shmups shrieking about him randomly, which is just odd. I just wanna talk about shmups.
>>739767853>I just wanna talk about shmups.>talkSo you don't play these either?
>>739765090Literally every single one
>>739768062Right now I'm playing Garegga. I've 1cc'dDodonpachiDaioujouDFKDeathsmilesMushihimesamaFutariEspgaludaKetsuiBatsugunSengoku AceGunbirdGunbird 2Striker 1945 IIDragon BlazeBlue RevolverRayforceDariusDarius GaidenBatriderAnd more
>>739733572Well yeah fuck stage 5
>>739769025More like Stage 5 fucks you.Best idea is really just to save up resources in the other stages, where it's much easier to route for survival.
I'm starting to like DFK.Maybe I'll buy the remaster after all.
Feels like an eceleb somewhere programmed all of them to talk like this
>>739769962Xir's right
>>739769962Just don't get hit lmaopussy
>>739769962I don't have a Twitter account and don't understand what happens there
>>739769253>DFKI PLAY THIS FUCKING GENRE TO DODGE BULLETS, NOT TO FUCKING DELETE THEM BEFORE THEY EVEN GET CLOSE TO MY SHIP. FUCK THIS RETARDED MECHANIC THAT TAKES NO SKILL. IT'S LIKE THEY HAVEN'T LEARNED NOTHING WITH THEIR OWN MASTERPIECE, DAIOUJOU (HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD HYPER SYSTEM). I CAN'T EVEN STAND WATCHING SUPERPLAYERS FOR THIS GAME, BECAUSE WHAT!? BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUCKING DODGE BULLETS! MEANWHILE SPS, KAMUI, FUFUFU, GODHAND'S WR RUNS ARE ACTUALLY IMPRESSIVE AND SHOWS HOW HARD YOU NEED TO WORK ON YOUR DODGING SKILLS TO GET THROUGH THESE GAMES AT HIGH SKILL LEVEL. OF COURSE THIS GARBAGE IS NEWBIE FRIENDLY AND ALWAYS RECOMMENDED FOR NEWCOMERS, BECAUSE EVEN THE MOST BRAINDEAD PERSON CAN CLEAR THIS SHIT.
>>739770648Post 2-all hoe
>>739770648>I CAN'T EVEN STAND WATCHING SUPERPLAYERS FOR THIS GAMEHow about you actually play the game instead of watching other people do it?
>>739770648>BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUCKING DODGE BULLETSThey do though. You can't cancel everything because either your hyper stops being able to or it's bad for score
>>739769962I always find "people" like this incredibly odious. Not only because they aren't good at video games and aren't interested in learning, but because they are always the loudest, most vocal retards imaginable. They're the ones that fill the catalogue with RPGs and roguelike deck builders, and clamor for more slop. They get in the ear of developers and publishers and corrupt them to making more lowest common denominator garbage. "People" like this are the reason the video game industry is in the toilet.
>>739771552Upset your touhou thread is dying?
>>739771552I agree.
>>739771771Huh??? What are you even talking about??? What in my post indicates I like Touhou at all? I only talk about it to shit on it nowadays. Is this projection???
Don't mind me. Just on my way to rescue my daughterwife.
>>739733572I mean, few people can.
>>739772882Shishin............. no
>>739772882hes just like me for real
>>739773274fr fr
what is the coolest stg related figurine? i want a little model of a ketsui copter or donpatch ship or over 20lbs of reiko pussy and ass or somethingi have a little figure of one of the ibara whores but thats it
>>739773631https://youtu.be/XPFCD0kccoM
>>739773760>19 years agojesus christ. i bought the mushi port on ps2 back when it released.i have done nothing with my life.
>>739773631They recently rereleased some model kits of the DOJ ships but I think they're resin and very expensive even pre-import
>>739774157you got a link? a picture?im in taipei now and there are fuckloads of figurine shops here.but i dont know what im looking for
>>739733572i can do it it was an enormours waste of time but i can do it
>>739774459Genuinely curious as to why you think this, Anon. Whenever I 1cc a good shmup, especially one I've been struggling with, I feel like a superhero. That rush I get is the stuff that makes life worth living. If you don't get that, either you just don't like video games, or every ounce of soul has been squeezed out of you. Either way, your feelings are alien to me.
>>739776150I feel the same as him, it's the biggest issue with this genre actually.
>>739776150Please marry me
>>739776836Again, genuinely why? What other video games could possibly give you the fulfillment and exhilaration of shmups? Because I've yet to find any.
>>739737193I agree. I can see the the draw of other shoot em ups and do enjoy them like with R-Type and the force pod manipulation. Often times there's a mechanic that can define a game or at least let's the player play with which isn't score related. Can even look at a one button game like Mars Matrix that fills the screen with bullets but you have various options with one button. Then when it comes to just one upgradeable shot and you have bombs I find Psikyo games more appealing graphically and setting wise even though as someone who isn't an enthusiast of the genre having trouble with Psikyo speed projectiles.
>>739777672>having trouble with Psikyo speed projectilesPsikyo is a fundamentals check
>>739777372Overcoming any difficult challenge that you had to work hard for will give you this feeling. It's not unique to shmups.
PARTY MORKERS IN THE THREAD TONIGHT
>>739777735I know you're baiting but later stage Psikyo games are loaded with memorizer bullet patterns where it's so fast you have to know where and when to tap dodge ahead of time
>>739770648>uh DFK takes no skill but muh le heckin Ikawooga is total kinoShut
>>739773631i ordered picrel recently, it's kotobukiya's doj type a model kiti haven't actually recieved it yet so i can't speak on the actual quality, but it's a colored plastic snap kit, so you don't need any tools/glue/paint, and every kotobukiya kit i've built before has been good, should be basically like building gunpla
>>739778339>I know you're baitingI'm not baiting. >later stage Psikyo games are loaded with memorizer bullet patternsThat is fundamentals. Routing is fundamentals. Doing things like aligning with something on screen, playing aggressively, sealing, or manipulating aimed patterns beyond basic streaming around is fundamentals. Like fire up flying shark and see how that plays. It's all lightning fast aimed shots. Spot dodging a bullet is not fundamentals, everyone intuitively knows how to do that.
>>739778515Where did you get it from? I need to add to my sexy space ship model kits collection
>>739776150>either you just don't like video gamesi dont like videogames at alli was extremely bored when i was obsessed with shmups during the pandemic in 2020these days i dont even play videogames
>uh bro you don't get it>caves slowdown and awful scoring systems that are reliant on milking and glitches are actually signs of kino kamige nippon game design genius
>>739779065usagundam and newtype both have it in stock if youre in murica, if you just google "kotobukiya dodonpachi" youll find it
>>739779716Who are you quoting?
>>739780495Mork and other cavefagsCave is a dogshit companyIf they don't want to properly port their games, then why should I give a shit about them? They hastily added Ketsuis awful lock on scoring system, yet cavefags think it's some genius
>>739780570>Cave is a dogshit company
>>739777372That's not the only part of videogames that's coolyeah among the games that are about overcoming a challenge there's likely nothing better, but the cost is too high imo. playing shmups is fun as hell, but grinding for 1CC is just shit. You're just repeating the same content again and again and since it's all on you, you might not even progress in a month or 2 doing nothing but that, time that could be spent finishing another great game that's really as engaging and fun but also ends faster and has other things to offer beside pure challenge, or hell grinding an actually useful skill.
>>739779779Based, thanks anonI'm actually kind of glad they only made a type A one because if they had both I'd be compelled to get both of them>>739780495Please stop replying to shitposters
>>739781273Yep, they sure areThey literally cannot correctly program their games
>cygni is le bad because i got kicked off the development team for being a retardfucking mork lmfao
>>739739159Mork is bit of a pretentious moron but at least someone is talking about arcade game design and pushing back against homogenized iframe/parry slop
>>739781778That shit was funny.
>>739782090Yeah talking about arcadeslop is way betterMork doesn't even play action games, he's a fucking retarded fraud that downloads savesHis DMC 3 video was embarrassing
final fight 1 is better than dmc 3hack n slash games never surpassed beatem ups
Final Fight CRUSHES, BEATS, MUTILATES, RAPES, DISMEMBERS AND EATS modern action games because you can uhhhhh exploit the shitty and primitive combat system by spamming infinites and loops, reminder it doesn't have mechanics because those are a crutchLMAO
>>739782384What would his perfect game look like?
>>739782729>can't have mechanics because those are a crutch>must be a shmup similar to dodonpachi, his favourite game ever>needs to be brutally, insanely difficult because difficulty is always good at all timesWhat other criteria does it need to have?
>>739782729his game conveniently got lost when he was developing it so we'll never know
Morks game would've set the new benchmark in shmuppingIt would've been the second coming of Cave, but alas, it was lost
>>739782090>at least someone is talking about arcade game designNot anymore. See >>739745421
>sperg who doesn't even play shmups making 20 posts in a row talking about an ecelebThis would be one of those moments where chain deletion would be really useful
>watch his DFK video>"i don't know how this works, i don't understand this, i don't understand this mechanic"Truly insightful stuff from an arcade"chad"
>>739783001That's because someone else did 'his' clear.
DDP feels kind of overrated by oldheads these days. It's great to play, but some boss routes exploit glitches or extreme cheese and the music quickly stops being fun to listen to at least in comparison to the soundtracks of DOJ, Ketsui, Mushihimesama, really most of what came after. It's still a great game but I wouldn't put it above those.
>>739782793It needs the hog list. So no telegraphs and you die randomly.
>>739779383>i dont like videogames at allThen why are you (and like half the people on this board) on /v/?
>games shouldn't have audio or aestheticsSo wtf does bog want
>>739783804Also Gradius Gaiden > V. Zeroranger hitting top 25 will always be a joke when Blue Revolver couldn't.
>>739760690Must suck at the game if you don't want to impress your favorite streamer. I don't even know how one would find out about a random streamer doing such a thing with a game. I just go to my steam library and launch the game I wanna play or insert a cartridge into my switch to play. I can't imagine digging through sites/forums/twitch streams to discover shit like that.Guess digital cuckolds live a different kind of life. Gotta watch people play rather than playing the game themselves.
too much bait
Deathsmiles and Ikaruga are my favorites shmups and you can't stop me from liking them.
>>739784973Post 1cc
>>739784973Your 1ccs?
Oh nice a shump threa->look inside>eceleb dramaummmmm...nyo *leaves thread*
>>739785229post replays
>>739781316>time that could be spent finishing another great gamePeople say this shit and then it's like>THIS 120 HOUR LONG VN ABOUT BEING A DEPRESSED RAPIST BROKE MELike if you can't even be bothered to replay a segment of a game do you really like it? Why consume hundreds of hours of passive games when you could learn a shmup in under 30 hours
>>739785229Kisame,we're leaving
>>739784712>Must suck at the game if you don't want to impress your favorite streamer.I don't even follow that retard. I just check his channel from time to time, cus he's from my country and he tries his best to "pretend" to like shmups. He has a few 1ccs, but it's easy to notice how he doesn't put "love" into it. He's only doing that, because he's trying to buld a niche community around him and shmups.>I don't even know how one would find out about a random streamer doing such a thing with a game.https://www.twitch.tv/directory/category/stg-shmupsIt's not that hard. Nearly everyone who stream shmups use this category instead of the ones for each game.
