What's his fucking problem?
You wouldn't understand
>>739751502Why didn't just mine out Baar Dau?
>>739752837Because he wanted to threaten everyone with his magical floating nuke
>>739752928I mean afterwards in the books once Vivec disappeared and they had to use ghostgate soul tech to keep it afloat
>>739751502>Molag Bal had sex with this
what was the meteor made out of? couldnt a bunch of powerful mages and warriors work on it over the years to dismantle/destroy the thing? they can clearly carve into the thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgOCaqgzpmM
>>739753470The answer is actually quite interesting Dungmer are stupid
Actually expected more bullshit from a fag like him getting godlike powers, all in all it went pretty ok
>>739751502He wanted to free Morrowind from the old cruel gods
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/59115Close enough, welcome back Daggerfall seasons
>>739754523>requirements include an internet toughguy screed written by grok
>>739751502Vivek Ramsey really thought he was "one of them"
>>739751502He’s a mentally ill transsexual given godlike powers, but because he can’t actually experience true hardship or love another life he’s still unhappy
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:ItheliaThis makes fans of the legacy TES games shit and piss themselves
>>739757878https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Hot_Pepper_Bantam_Guar
when I first played Morrowind I thought he was half dark elf half high elf or something, I had no idea what a chimer was back then
>>739757878>check this out, there's a new daedric prince>but she was and is gone and no one knows about her so she has 0 bearing on loreEh, looks like a lukewarm attempt at fanservice. I'm madder about the mantling shit and about how shitrim handled Nord culture.Also if I got to make a Daedric prince I'd make something cooler than another hoe in a robe
>>739757878she sounds like a shittier version of jyggalag.
Play Morrowind
>play without speed boots>game is a slog>play with speed boots>game loses its atmospheric charmwhat do bros
I like how everyone harps on vivec being an asshole when 99% of dunmers are just that way from birth
>>739759228put down the ticktock videos for 2 minutes and redevelop an attention span
what race should I make my Bard?
>>739759038God you faggots are unbearable, I wish Bethesda were legally allowed to round you up and exterminate you.
>>739751502acquired stds, no chim
>>739759189odd proportions, flip the canvas next time
>>739759526What for? Not liking the vikangz action game or the tattooed hoe with angel wings?
>>739759567What's wrong with them?
>>739751502He’s gay
>>739759189Very nice body, would admire
>>739759798head too smallneck too longshoulders too widearms too shorttorso too small compared to assthighs foreshortened weirdlyi repeat, flip the fucking canvas
>>739760147I did flip the canvas and it didn't help. That's why I asked. Thank you.
>>739760147>torso too small compared to assThat's just how dunmer bitches be
>>739760234hmmmm well i found an approximate reference pickeep it up bro
>>739751502Half woman freak.
>>739757374>can’t actually experience true hardshipVivec very much fetishizes hardshipThe Daedra don't and are instead more directly about power, that's why 'false Gods' see them as evil
>>739761705Damn that could be really helpful, thank you.
>>739761875isn't Malacath all about getting stronger through hardship
>>739751502He chimed out
>>739751502He wants to hold on to his godhood and realises that the psychopath he shared it with will only use it to wreck everything. He is also paranoid about Nerevar killing him.
>>739763017*psycopathsI meant to make that plural. Though he did take part in the betraying Nerevar in the first place, so part of it has to do with being afraid of retribution.
>>739763017>He wants to hold on to his godhoodDoes he? I always had the impression that he'd had his fun playing in the sandbox and was ready to move on. Almalexia is the one who couldn't let go and Sotha Sil probably already knew it was coming.
>>739763160Nope, he still wants to be the one and only. It is why he still has a whole city, temple and military worshipping him alone. It is also pretty evident that he has a contingency that if he ever gets his godhood removed or if someone kills him he has the giant meteor to kill almost everyone in Morrowind.
>>739752837Realistically speaking, how would one go build a contingency for a meteor with suspended momentum like that, assuming that magic protects it from being destroyed or cracked into smaller pieces?
>>739763386>Slowfall on target 1pt
>>739763386The magic spell doesn't actually halt it's momentum, it just freezes it in time. Meaning that when the spell gets removed, the meteor will impact Vvardenfell at the exact same speed that it would have had if Vivec hadn't done anything at all.
>>739759471Breton or Khajiit
>>739753470I imagine when it was being mined out, Vivec was reducing the momentum of the mined rock to nothing. But once he left and wasn't there to hold it up any longer, once those pieces were removed, they would have resumed their existing momentum no matter where they were. I guess in the best-case scenario, they could have mined it out, reduced it to sand and then threw it all in the ocean far away. I have no idea if that would even be possible though, it's hard to say what would happen if you removed a piece of rock and then transported it away without Vivec watching over the process. It could just resume its fall as soon as it's removed, or if it got far enough away or something. Trying would certainly have been better than nothing, but what they were doing was working, it's just that somebody fucked it up.
>>739753696>Vivec and Molag had sex>this resulted in a bunch of monstrous children>Vivec tracked them down and killed them using his spear which is also his penis>when they died they exploded and became the foundation for many of Vvardanfell's citieswhat in the fuck
>>739765234Vivec's stories are blatantly made-up falsehoods, why can't you fags understand this
>>739765754it definitely happened anon, I was there
>>739765234>>>Vivec and Molag had sex>>this resulted in a bunch of monstrous children>>Vivec tracked them down and killed them using his spear which is also his penis>>when they died they exploded and became the foundation for many of Vvardanfell's citiesVivec was raped by Molag Bal and got Traumatized (Muatra = tra Mua). Vivec then made up a story in which they were friends but Molag Bal betrayed him but Vivec won.In general, the Daedra who were friends of the Chimer were very hostile to the Tribunal and their Dunmer worshipers.
>>739765754reddit post
>>739768757Dunmer hands wrote this
>>739765754They contain kernels of truth
>>739768757Redditors are the ones who take Vivec's stories at face value and believe it based on second-hand recollection from other Redditors
>>739751502He didn't get dicked down by Nerevar like he wanted
>>739771084>>They contain kernels of truthnot really, theyre too distorted theyre essentially all false accounts of public knowledgelike, the 3 Daedra were teaching the Chimer about Apotheosis on the regular (Nerevarine achieves it and the Hero of Kvatch and Talos' story affirm this version) but Vivec claims his version of CHIM(errrr) is the only truth
>>739771229not true, just search yourselfhttps://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1soggkw/vivec_was_a_cancer_on_the_chimer/https://www.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/135suc3/chim_isnt_real_youve_all_fallen_for_a_lie_vivec/
>>739757878Your OC has been rejected, kiddo. Even if she wasn't ignored by real fans, Hermaus Mora deleted all memories of her from all versions of Aurbis after her banishment. So "canonically" only he remembers she ever existed.
>>739751502Wanted Nerevar dickHad to settle for Molag dick
>>739753853It was made from Vivec's shit (not a joke)
>>739772481No shit a broken clock is right twice a day. Redditors like to regurgitate "lore" factoids that they heard from other Reddit fanfics with no in-game citation, because the more wacky it is and the more shock value it has, the more updoots they get. So the goal is to say as much outlandish bullshit as possible and pretend you're "in the know" regardless of if what you're saying is true or not. Redditors are like this because that's what Reddit's upvote system prioritizes. You don't get this behavior on 4chan without other people calling you out. Redditors are conditioned to be posers and attention-whores at all times.
>>739773405>>739772481Wow you faggots sucked the LIFE out of my thread
>>739773507>my threadGo back to your hugbox.
>>739773405Is it really? Comparehttps://old.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1rweudi/anu_padomay_annual_perennial_heres_what_this/https://old.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1rh7vn6/esoterica_shivering_isles_was_about_mantling/https://old.reddit.com/r/teslore/comments/1sm2e5w/aesthetic_link_between_sheogorath_and_talos/withhttps://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/731409195/#731409195https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/596787086/#596787086https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/627769320/#627769320
de_rats in morrowind
>>739751502Nerevar wouldn't fuck him.
>>739751502He wants to be whatever he likes. >>739765754He was using his god powers to try and insert his cringe OC into Nirn, but the other divines likely vetoed the worse of it into a realm of pure metaphor. They probably kept the Molag Bal part canon just to mess with Molag Bal, though.
>>739775347I unironically believe this.
>>739775628I mean it makes perfect sense with his characterization. Everything pre-ascension Vehk we get is about how over-the-heels he is for Nerevar, and how badly he wanted him, and with how much Vivec brags about his sexual conquests, you just know if he HAD slept with Nerevar at any point he'd be crooning about it in all the Temple lore. Yet he didn't. What could motivate someone absurdly loyal to and in love with Nerevar to betray and kill him? The same thing that motivates the worst of spite: a spurned heart. He didn't get the guy he loves, so he took the chance to hurt him.
>>739775572>>He wants to be whatever he likes.I mean uhh doesn't everyone?
>>739775807>He didn't get the guy he loves, so he took the chance to hurt him.Bro elves are immortal, Vivec basically killed Nerevar before he had a single pube
>>739757374Dude he's an intersex weirdo born to an abusive poor netchiman father and a mother who apparently died of disease, who ran away to the capital as a kid and became a gangbanger, thief, and prostitute until Nerevar found him. He absolutely experienced tons of hardship growing up, it's probably why he's so fucked in the head in the first place and has so many sexual issues.
>>739776196This is a non-sequitur, are you even sure of what you're replying to? How does Vehk's age have anything to do with if he loved Nerevar or not? Also, Mer in TES are not immortal, that's half of the Altmer's issue with reality. Dunmer in particular don't live that much longer than humans, only about 200 years without using powerful magic to extend their lives.
>>739776357>This is a non-sequitur, are you even sure of what you're replying to? How does Vehk's age have anything to do with if he loved Nerevar or notyou said that Nerevar didn't sleep w/ Vivec and that he was mad because of that yet we know for a fact that Elves take a variable long time to form relationships and Vivec and Nerevar didnt know each other for long enough for Nerevar to truly have rejected Vivec without any obvious hostilities before the betrayal, especially since even by the betrayal they're still all friends ergo why its a foul murder
>>739766478>the Daedra who were friends of the ChimerMolag Bal was never a friend to the Chimer, the House of Troubles was a concept pre-Tribunal. The Daedra the Chimer associated with positively were Boethiah, Mephala, and Azura.
>>739773507There's one guy who is aggressively anti-deep lore, and his whole thing is first of all complaining about Vivec. Which'd be fine, but he's not really capable of accepting alternative interpretations of the sources, which means people just get fed up when he's around instead of there being lively discussion.
damn that khajiit thread got so bad the jannies nuked it
>>739776475>we know for a fact that Elves take a variable long time to form relationshipsBased on what? You came in here trying to claim TES elves are immoral, I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
>>739776647>>Molag Bal was never a friend to the Chimer, the House of Troubles was a concept pre-Tribunal. The Daedra the Chimer associated with positively were Boethiah, Mephala, and Azura.This is mixing up pre and post Tribunal culture, they were still important but they represented challenges that the Dunmer must overcome. The Daedra were 'overall' still friendly which is why there were places of worship, they weren't "Dunmer Satanism" until the Tribunal came along.
>>739776843>You came in here trying to claim TES elves are immoralThe powerful ones are biologically, Neloth and Fyr are over 600 years by Skyrim and still alive. Even in Morrowind, they called Century-old people 'kids'
>>739776865They were not, anon. The House of Troubles was recognized as necessary because traditional Chimer culture is about the Psijiic Endeavor, about refining oneself through hardship and achieving apotheosis, but they were specifically hostile. They weren't throwing hardships at the Dunmer to be friendly and help them, they were doing it for their various personal reasons. Malacath in particular only exists because of Boethiah eating and defecating out Trinimac, corrupting and warping him and his followers, there's no positive relationship going on there.
>>739776475>>739775807I think it's safe to say that in some of the sermons Nerevar is Vivec and Vivec is Nerevar, but just as Vivec could never know the true nerevar he knows everything about the Nerevar in his own mind The unrequited love is both literal as in he never got that nerevashmeat and metaphorical in that Vivec never got to really know the true Nerevar.
>>739776843>>739777014Unrelated but also Corpus makes people biologically immortal which includes Nerevarine and Yagrum Bagarn
>>739777014They're extremely powerful spellcasters and do not represent the norm whatsoever. There's also nothing biological about their immortality, it's done via magic. Again, your average Dunmer lives to around 200, they're not immortal and they mature at a human rate. The only source we have that implies they go through any kind of different maturing process is The Real Barenziah, where it's presented as a stereotype that Dunmer women under 100 are huge sluts, not some kind of 'immortal slow-loving creatures who don't mature for hundreds of years', and even in that source Symmachus calls it a racist myth.
>>739777054>Malacath in particular only exists because of Boethiah eating and defecating out Trinimac, corrupting and warping him and his followers, there's no positive relationship going on there.Canonically Malacath and Boethiah are not made to be two hostile forces to each other so that part is off, and we have lore affirming all 4 of them are involved in some kind of existential transcendence (Malacath was literally an Aedra turned Daedra, Sheogorath with Shivering Isles, Dagon with Oblivion and Molag Bal with whatever Vivec implied + maybe Vampirism?)from UESPThese Princes are the Bad Daedra as introduced to the Chimer by the teachings of Saint Veloth. Rebels whose purpose it is to test the resolve and faith of mortals, they are also known as the Four Corners of the House of Troubles.[3] Ancient, alien temples dedicated to their worship can be found across Morrowind.[4]The Four Corners are known as enemy gods to the Dunmer. Molag Bal is a primary source of obstacles for the Dunmer people and their Chimer predecessors. He attempts to upset the Houses' bloodlines or ruin Dunmeri "purity".[2] In the days of old Resdayn, Molag Bal was not worshipped so much as he was placated.[5] Malacath tests the Dunmer for strength, Sheogorath tests for mental weakness and tempts Great Houses to treachery, while Mehrunes Dagon represents the dangerous terrain of Morrowind.[2]
>>739777239>With Shivering Isles, With OblivionFirst off, don't use anything post-Morrowind in a Morrowind lore debate, all the retcons render it invalid and useless. You might as well be quoting ESO at me.
>>739777328>>First off, don't use anything post-Morrowind in a Morrowind lore debate,I literally don't careThese pieces were written by MK and TP and are very important to understanding holes in MWs writing.
>>739777058The Lessons are half metaphor half twisted truth and halfway in outright break the fourth wall to talk to the Nerevarine directly. The whole thing is a cope, and a half-assed apology, and an attempt to help the Nerevarine reach enlightenment. Pretty much the whole thing is filled with Vivec's insecurities.
>>739777515>I don't careAnd I won't debate someone trying to bring Oblivion shit back into a Morrowind discussion. Enjoy your LoTR rip-off.
>>739777328>>First off, don't use anything post-Morrowind in a Morrowind lore debategaykys and just say 'there is no answer because unreliable narrators and my version of TES can always be true'
>>739777220What's the point of a mer woman if she gets menopausal at 1/4 of her lifespan?
>>739777602Find a Skyrim thread to talk about Skyrim, nobody is telling you that you can't discuss your epic Dragonborn in an appropriate thread.
>>739777641What's the point of any life on Mundus?
I mean he is kinda right tho tribunal mythology in TES III straight up says that the reason the four corners are bad is because they rejected the tribunal's authority while the three good daedra did not
anything after Dragonbreak at Illiac Bay is pure fanfiction
>>739777659>can't discuss your epic Dragonborn in an appropriate thread.Literally no one talked about this or like that in the entirety of /v/s history. We're literally talking about meaningful plot threads started in Daggerfall and Morrowind and completed in Oblivion and Skyrim, which we can discern by working backwards from Skyrim and Oblivion to clues given in past games.Stop getting filtered by your hubris
Speaking of Mer biology, people always talk about how the Altmer are less fertile than men and how because of this they're at a disadvantage but is this the case? I think the only source for this is the Real Barenziah, a dubious source, but I've never seen anyone mention this generic dialogue about the Aldmer in Morrowind:>Elves are conditionally fertile -- that is, they only conceive when population pressure is low -- so expanding populations do not force them to explore or war with neighbors. The arts, literature, sorceries, technology and theology that have flourished within ancient Elven cultures have profoundly shaped the development of the Empire's manish and beast races.According to this populations would bounce up after a war making the previous argument moot.
>>739777535All these statements are true, but I don't believe in their purpose. Just like Vivec will never know the "true" Nerevar he also understands Nerevar will never know the "True" Vivec. I personally don't believe the sermons to be an apology, but a justification and a desperate attempt to talk to the "real" Nerevar into understanding why the tribunal did it. At the end of the day it's always up to Nerevar aka the player to interpret the sermons and decide the three's fate, Vivec knows this and also refuses to accept it.
>>739778070wasn't there something about Altmer being really anal about eugenics too?I'd imagine that might also lead to less porking if partners look for that perfect genetic material to preserve their golden skin or some shit
>>739778430>wasn't there something about Altmer being really anal about eugenics too?yes, they essentially have Swedens original now forgotten eugenics plan
>>739778430PGE1 says Altmer are just a fertile as men, but kill 9/10 babies for being imperfect.
>>739779067>but kill 9/10 babies for being imperfect.I don't know where to begin pointing out the lies
>>739779271The fun part is that Kirkbride said that the Altmer isn't a reliable source either and 'something' is 'wrong' with him, so we can't even be sure if his opposition to that statement means the Altmer don't really do that.
>>739778046They can't even keep what the Imperials and Cyrodiil look like or their culture straight between games and this dude thinks that his epic Dragonborn was teased in and building upon lore from fucking Daggerfall, unreal.
>>739779351Yes I know about the Argonian thing, but even setting that aside the PGE1 is such an interesting document due to the biases in it, even the little pushback YR offers is fragmentary and most likely not completely accurate. PGE3 pales in comparison to it.
>>739779706Hence the PGE2 going in the complete opposite direction. Shame it never got finished, and taking it 100% is obviously a massive mistake, but some bits are fun. Cathnoquey for example. The Morrowind bit feels like a dream/vision quest straight out of Glorantha.
>>739776196>>739775807he was a male prostitute and got fucked while his mother sold him off. isn't that enough for him to suck ass
>>739759189coomfags are not welcome in morrowind threads.
>>739780535Patently false. True Kirkbridians practically swim in coom.
>>739765754this is true, sort of, but the most egrigious problem is that so many people dont understand that vivec is simultaniously lying AND telling the truth at the same time. so many people forget the part in the sermons where vivec says that Vehk was not born a god but post Godhood Vehk (or Vivec) was born a God. therefore Vivec both did and did not kill Nerevar. Vivec adorns the water face and tells his shit straight sometimes, after all.
>>739780601but its tasteful, mythological non-pornographic cooming a la Enki cumming into the earth to create the Tigris and Euphrates.
>>739780782>>this is true, sort of, but the most egrigious problem is that so many people dont understand that vivec is simultaniously lying AND telling the truth at the same timeyou are a half-nigger half-whiteyAm I simultaneously lying AND telling the truth or am I just lying?
>>739780882Yeah and then you read the Shonni-eta.
>>739782918>There was a proposal to remove this from PTR for no good reason
>>739783553I appreciate PTR's crankery but sometimes they take it too far
>>739783553Has PTR said anything about their writing quality recently? There was some drama on their discord recently when people were calling out the shit writing a while back
>>739783708I think it was Vern trying to retrofit his interpretation of the Dres over the current planning. Basically saying "In my view they won't tolerate any outsiders so we should remove the outsiders we have them interacting with" rather than going "Hmm maybe I should modify my proposal to take into account things already established for them." Basically doing things backwards/wrong.
>>739759228>play without speed boots>game is a slogBullshit. The boots aren't even the best way to move fast, a custom jump spell (or enchant) is strictly better and you can do it basically from the beginning.
how do i kill this nigga?
>>739784317
>>739784317You are literally Serjo Indoril Nerevar "Godkiller" Mora reborn (no joke that is literally your fucking title among the Dunmer) and you're asking how to kill a god?
>>739759526so you are shitting and pissing yourself over some fanon daedric prince not being accepted?
>>739762379nta but keep in mind you can make the shoulders narrower than the hips if you wantjust takes a bit to find how that looks in humans
>>739784456so just cheat?
>>739784317>>739784413fortify agility really really high
>>739784963Would chameleon at 100% work?
>>739785045how would that help you hit him?
>Hammerfell in PT will be full homogenous yokudan with no nedic assimilationWhat do we think about it?
>>739784963You mean Luck. The reason you can't hit him is because his Luck is like 500.
>>739785157you tell me
>>739785176For one, there was never any Nedic assimilation in canon. This map you're posting is someone else's fanfiction. Even if that's all PTR is at the end of the day, fanfic is not beholden to other fanfic at all. For two, there are some Nedes left, even if they're not integrated. Reachmen around the Skyrim border. Riverfolk along the High Rock border. These are both remnant pre-Ra-Gada groups.
>>739785195in the hit/evade/block calculations agility is weighted twice as high for success, so you don't have to fortify as much to start hitting him>>739785245another thing you can do is use reflect and watch him kill himself
>>739785176What the fuck is a Man-of-Tor
>>739785176>Yagoubhians
>>739785368100% reflect ?
thoughts on the openmw total overhaul modpack? seems like it has some cool mods but the graphics look like those terrible GTA remasters
>>739785681the higher the faster you'll kill him
>>739785724ahh so just spam potions then
>>739785703i like it as a base to build your own list off of. there are better, newer lists if you want better graphics or to try out the new scripted mods without having to tinker
>Best Opinion Haver also hates Patch for PuristsBased. I wish there was a version that was just the journal fixes and nothing else.
>>739783779>There was some drama on their discord recently when people were calling out the shit writing a while backFor JNS? I didn't think there was too much drama. People basically agreed on all the points but lamented how Grasping Fortune's dev cycle left them little time to fix them.
>>739784317get REAL good and drunk
>>739776196elves are not immortal
>>739786170whats wrong with it?
Guys, I can’t believe the nerevar is a filthy outlander.
>>739787857he's not, wtf are you talking aboutnerevar and the nerevarine are different people
>>739788101wtf no theyre not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnZi0P2w1YEIt's never coming out, is it?
How do i fully role-play?
>>739788695https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:RoleplayingHere are some ideas
>>739788101Didn't pay attention award.
>>739757878I've seen what ESO fans think of that abomination, and there's a reason the game is flailing on life support right now
>>739784317Kite him with a spear or spells depending on your build. It's just a matter of rolls in the end.Personally I've always found piercing through his reflect more likely than his luck, but well, technically he can roll all the way up to 100, for all that I've never seen it.
BUILT FOR BMCBIG MOLAG BAL COCK
>>739786170>Best Opinion Haver also hates Patch for Puristswhose cock are you sucking, faggot? also what's wrong with pfp?
They're building Numidium and we're all gonna disappear
Who did you like killing the most?
>>739757146>zoomers have meltys when they see em dashes now
>>739789419>>739788139alright geniuses, explain your thought process to the class
>>739791289Whether you're the reincarnation of Nerevar or not is irrelevant. Once you successfully Mantle him, you are metaphysically him. So regardless of your stance on that issue, by the end, you are Nerevar.
>>739791289You are referred to as Nerevar incarnate at the start of the gamePeoples doubts about it are only because everyone lives in Vivecs dystopia which lies to people about everything
Why did the game not tell you killing vivic guards cursed you full game?
>>739791343>>739791393>she thinks mantling is realoh no no no no LMAO
>>739783815has Vern ever had a good idea? I guess his dres proposal is alright
>>739792101Unless Vivecs meme>we're all just one dreamertheory is true, mantling yourself is a prdx
/lit/ anon's Morrowind fanfic was cool. Makes me want to fuck around with the Elsweyr stories in TESO.https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/93215/strangers-fate-elder-scrolls
>>739791393Even in the deep lore stuff, Kirkbride identifies the Nerevarine as Nerevar by Incarnation (as in, you are him reincarnated) so the ambiguity is exclusively in-game.
>>739792116My problem with the Dres proposal is just the whole, "Let's remove Dres stuff that goes against my idea" rather than "Let's modify my idea to account for Dres stuff." It just seems like working backwards to me.
>>739792101>Deep lore not realOkay dude be boring then, ignore the whole concept of the Shezzarine and Prisoner.
>>739751502Motherfucking UESP got a uptight FAGGOT by the name of Hagrin Frost-Eye who is adding faggot and tranny shit into old and new pages, He literally edited the boethiah daggerfall page to reference Her as He, and he is now the new UESP janny.And yes, this isnt a bait, is a shoot.And as far as i know, the faggot is part of the TR lore team at pisscord.
>>739793696isn't that correct though? isn't boethiah both man and woman?
>>739793696>He literally edited the boethiah daggerfall page to reference Her as HeLiterally how it was in Morrowind retard. Boethiah was female in Arena and Daggerfall, then MK retconned it into a male so every Tribune would have the opposite sex of his or her Anticipation. Sotha Sil is male to Azura's female, Almalexia is female to Boethiah's male, and Vivec is androgyne to Mephala's androgyne (note it is literally only MK's stuff that ever refers to Mephala as androgyne, every other writer forgets it and goes with female).
>>739772683She was always going to be a one timed appearance due to she being LITERALLY the embodiment of the real concept of retcon, writer and editorial powertrip, in fact, she was Josh from eltingville if he was a daedric prince.
What mods do I need to make this game fun?
>>739757146I don't understand, what does this mod even do? Let you make mods that allow people to hack you?
>>739794280Daggerfall isnt Morrowind.Editing everything so the PT and TR trannies are a huge red flag for forced fanfic, second that Boethiah is She and both mw and oblivion were a bad retcon by a one trick pony writer who was fired after he tried to insert his depraved fag fanfic ingame til everyone said no.
>>739794657holy fuck dude, you're just mad about trannies you don't give a fuck about the lore
>Seething this hard after being called outGatekeeping is always nevessary to keep colorful fags out as xher fanfic.
>>739753470They forgot
>Daggerfall isnt MorrowindYou're illiterate.
>>739793696Couple points.1. I've never seen that name in the TR discord. Not saying he's not related to the project but he's not hanging out and chatting at any rate.2. Boethiah appears as both male and female, so it's just as valid to call Boethiah a he as a she.3. That said, it would be silly to change every reference to Boethiah to exclusively he or she, because they appear as both. From a writing perspective, it would be best to pick the most common or latest usage and stick with that (which is indeed she) or else be cheeky and use 'he' when citing Morrowind sources and 'she' when citing other sources.
>>739794657Kirkbride worked on parts of Oblivion and Skyrim and only quit for good when the decision was made not to use the lore he developed for Nord religion. Despite that, his stuff, including the weird stuff, was referenced in the base game and DLC (The Eye of Magnus, some of the stuff in Dragonborn) and he was well-treated on the forums and his stuff got semi-official respect. He only got banned from the forums and they shit on his out of game stuff when he started publicly shit-talking ESO (which isn't remotely unpopular with older fans) but even that got walked back when ESO started referencing his stuff too and even got in contact with him to include Sermon 37 and a link to c0da. His only permanent break with Bethesda happened relatively recently when Kuhlman, his last buddy at Bethesda, quit, but even now he still writes stuff referencing TES now and then.
>>739790364humans don't have an em dash on their keyboard ranjeet
>>739794657Kirkblade has said himself that he left Bethesda on good terms before Morrowind even shifted. And he left to Zenimax. He wasn't fired nor did he leave the game industry.
>>739794657I don't think Boethiah's gender was ever a top priority at Bethesda and if it was i don't think they would have taken 2 games and 9 years to walk back on it
>>739759189Not bad. Proportions could be better but still fappable.
>>739785703Adds way too much stupid bullshit. Fanfic quests that have nothing to even do with the setting and awful middle school tier writing. The graphics changes also don't look good so much as they look like "this is what skyrim will look like in 2017!"
>>739794657>we must preserve the amazing writing of emil pagliarulo and secure a future for skyrim on the xbox 45!
>>739799138Emil? hownu.ru
>>739787718Introduces a ton of bugs and "fixes" things aren't bugs.
>>739786170It removes some people's favorite exploits, like various alchemy exploits you've no doubt heard of.
>>739751502Too much emotional baggage, and guilt over killing his bestie.
>>739794657based>>739799324xe's suffering from emil derangement syndrome
Spoilers for TR House HlaaluSo are the other questlines for the Great Houses going to culminate in the player being told to travel to Akavir or is TR going with the assumption that the 'canon' House is Hlaalu.
>>739803389The only other great house questline proposal I've seen is the Telvanni one and it doesn't have that stuffhttps://www.tamriel-rebuilt.org/forum/future-telvannis-questline-structure-proposal
>>739753470Dungmer are stupid. you really think a race of elves who wears bug armor, eat bug eggs daily, worship demons and false gods, has a culture of backstabbing, manipulation and treachery will think long term? the Tribunal was the best thing to happen to the Dunmer
>>739751502He's a unironic tranny. What do you expect?
she cute
>>739757878Why couldn't she/it have been Mora alternate version similar to Jyglagg is beyond me
>>739757878>mmo comes out with a brand new big bad villain that was never mentioned before and only exists to be a raid bossI’m not surprised, doesn’t WoW do this all the time?
>>739757878Literally zero ESO players care about writing or the lore. They're all either PvPfags or the biggest MMO PvE fags who only raid que and house/transmog. They treat it like second life like all sunk cost MMO troglodytes.,
>>739805567Ruined
>>739785497Minotaurs, not sure why the creator calls them that.
>>739790364Zoomers are who use that shit. There is never a valid reason to use one since there is always a better punctuation mark.
739757878>MMOfag thinks it can win anything everjej
>>739759228Play the only good TES game, Daggerfall, instead
>>739753696Reminder this never actually happened, nor did anything he claims in his 36 "lessons." Vivec is literally just the biggest liar of all time and anyone who takes any of the Tribunal lore at face value and not the lies and schemes of some sorcerer tyrants is a retard.
>>739768757No video game character has ever been more reddit than Cuckbride's favorite boy. Honestly all of that C0DA bullshit is peak reddit and if you think otherwise it is merely you coping with having shit taste
>>739806365He's a liar but the Molag Bal/Lyg/Dreugh stuff is probably real.
>>739806275wish Project Tamriel artists did
>>739777985Based and trueThe canon ending should have just been the underking's ending since it doesn't massively upset the status quo and would be an easy point to move forward from. He's also on the goddamn box art, it's his game
>>739806365It's both, it's not a literal historical account of Nerevar's life but the metaphysical concepts contained in the Lessons are legit. The things Vivec explicitly lies about like Nerevar's death and the reason for the Dunmer turning into a bunch of niggers is proven false within the Lessons themselves with the hidden message.
>>739793336Your counter argument is to literally just say he's wrong because his taste is not unfiltered reddit. Genuinely embarrassing for you
>>739806782Nah it's all drivel and should be dismissed out of hand
Trannywind
>>739792101The Hero of Kvatch mantles Sheogorath. It's like pretending to be retarded for so long that you, everyone and the universe itself forgets you're pretending. The Nerevaeine isn't mantling Nerevar though, the Nerevarine is a reincarnation of Nerevar that was created by Azura.
>>739751502When you exclude it's sandbox nature, it's probably one of the worst RPGs made, ever.
>>739751502He was basically Dunmer Dr Frank N. Furter
>>739807024Except the parts Mankar Camoran confirms.
>>739763386>study oblivion gates>learn how to build one>mine chunks and send through gate to realm of god you dislike>open really big gate and send whole thing back to sender
>>739805567Fixed. God i love Cat girls. gonna install a mod that lets me turn her into a companion and travel with her and Arvesa. there really should be more companion mods for Morrowind
>>739807220The gates only worked because of the dragon fires went out. They stopped working after Martin sacrificed himself to form a new covenant with Akatosh, creating a stronger barrier between Oblivion and Mundus. Baar Dau falls after this covenant was made.
>>739807343Then why is there a gate in Skyrim's AE release, anon?Checkmate.
>>739807415The barrier is stronger, not impenetrable.
>>739807415>creation club contentlol
Fuck grayskins. Im glad the city of vivec was destroyed
>>739807472It's all canon.t. Todd.>>739807450So just make a stronger gate to send it all back.>>739807489Same, but not too happy that most of morrowind is or isn't mostly destroyed with it.
dude weed
>>739807563It’s not explained how the Mythic Dawn opened a portal in Skyrim, but it could have something to do with leylines or areas where the barrier is weaker, which would mean that you have to find the right spot to build a gate.
>>739807343>The humble Shivering Isles gate
>>739752837Celestial Object, likely infinite in size.
Love for Morrowind is pure boomer nostalgia. It's aged like milk that was near expiration even at the time of release. It's absolutely positively a massively shitty unplayable game.
>>739757878If I ever don't shit my pants in rage anytime Ithelia is mentioned, then I'm in danger and need immediate assistance.
>>739807706I'm a zoomer who first played it 15 after release though
>>739807089The game literally lets you choose whether you're a reincarnation or mantling, the difference in this case is entirely academic after all.
>>739791393Vivec's stance on the issue is entirely rational. It's a speedy way of dealing with pretenders. The actual Nerevarine wouldn't be stopped by a little inquisition
>>739807664Bloated Man’s Grotto and Apocrypha too. It would seem specific portals are fine, the covenant is there to stop invasions from either side.
>>739806275nobody would play this game if unity didn't exist
>>739807923I would, but thank god it exists anyway
>>739757878>my neovagina makes legacy women shit and piss themselves
>>739751502He majored Long Blade and equipped a dagger
>>739751502hes knows that he is NPC written by Todd Howardmeanwhile Based Dagoth rejected idea and cursed Bethesda with infinite bugs
>>739793696>>739794657What the fuck are you on about? Daggerfall's Boethiah was Male as well. He's been a dude up until Oblivion
>>739751502He is half jeet
>>739807793Ahh a zoomber, eh? Prepare to get your ass kicked!
>>739808084Nope, that’s a woman. She has a Grace Jones thing going on.
>>739807642it's not explained because it didn't happen
>>739808337Creation Club is canon.
>>739808084>Boethiah is the Daedra Prince of Cruelty and Torture. Not a nice lady.>She's a Prince of Oblivion, one of the Daedric Regents, and a real killer.
>>739807089Sheogoraths is different from Pelinals mantling For Pelinal you are imitating him to assume his role and identity to do things only Pelinal can dobut for Sheogorath its a very explicit transformation like that of a larva to a Butterfly set up by Sheogorath, including concepts like Ego death, being multiple people similar to Talos etc. Read up on Arden-Sul, Heretics and Zealots if you didn't figure it out from Sheogorath's and Dyus' dialogue.The reason this distinction matters is because the process of becoming Sheogorath is part of a more 'universal' notion of Apotheosis, not just Sheo's identity itself.
>>739806365Molag Ballin just raped VivecMolag Bal is the King of Rape and Vivec is historically very rapeable, and the House of Troubles hated the Tribunal for supplanting the old religion
>>739807180From what I remember Mankar doesn't really confirm anything Vivec says, in fact Mankars account of Mehrunes' metaphysics de-confirms stuff like Vivecs version of CHIM.Unlike Vivec who was a false God without his own plane of existence, Mankar Cammoran became an Aylied Dragonborn with his own realm and possibly a mini-true-God unto himself.
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what did Vivec do with Dreugh
>>739809091he opened the Chimbucket fast food restaurant
>>739809091supposedly Vivec has time travelling rapebabies from Molag Bal raping him in spite this being implausible
>why is fantasy Judas such an assholeit's a mystery
>>739809438>Judas>Ju>Jewwtffffffffffffffff
>>739805754Then why are so many of them so weirdly insistent on convincing others that their game's lore is not only canon but deserving of as much praise as Morrowind's loreGranted on 4chan it's mostly just the one autistic boethiah waifufag and a bunch of people baiting but hey, Kirkbride's wife is an example
>>739763386>cracked into smaller pieces?the pic I posted shows the interior of it, a huge cavity they use for the prison and there's plenty of tunnels inside it toothey can mine into it so whats saying that they can't mine it until there's nothing left?
>>739810257Those are skyrimfags. They just want content. they don't actually care about the quality or where it came from. ESO, Legends, Infernal CIty. They don't care. They just want more. Of course they get upitty when they get shit on compared to Morrowind fanfic from mods from a game they will never play.
>>739752428>Dumb people thought this was a cool quote to make them feel special>All it actually means is that those same people are too stupid to put something into words and explain it properly.
>>739810728This is a middle of the bell-curve take
>>739810728Ive explained some very esoteric things to people and while a few get it and go 'holy shit youre a genius wtf' most people dont get it and a lot become very hostile at the premise
>>739809492>das juHe was foretold
>>739751502half woman
>>739794456This one
>>739810302>they can mine into it so whats saying that they can't mine it until there's nothing left?because you would just be transporting the pieces elsewhere and if you take them out of the range of vivec's dwindling power you'd get instagibbedI'm unsure what happens to something momentum if it has incredible velocity and then is placed directly against a hard solid surface, I assume the object with velocity would still release the energy directly into it and vaporize itself and cause a decent explosion regardless
>>739814181what if you then melted the pieces down by some sort of magically powered furnace or by pure magic alone if some Telvanni cared to help Then poured the molten rock into say, Vivec city bay or somewhere else
Okay but what was HER problem?
>>739806275Is getting its UESP pages tainted by morrowind fanfic mod troons.
>>739815856Woman moment.but more importantly the expansion was poorly written
>>739809091Is it pronounced>Dreu-wor>Dreuff
>>739807642The permanent gate is open because you aka Akatosh and Lorkan, inadvertedly gave permission, the biggest betrayal as the dawn cultist thief said.Same goes to the Sepulcher, Akatosh literally gave a green card for Nocturnal to literally walk free in tamriel without a summon thanks to the sepulcher being a oblivion gate to her realm that is also permanently open.The difference is that Dagon cant walk into tamriel through that portal without being weakened, while Nocturnal can pretty much visit falkreath to get laid with siddgeir if she wants to have people guard the Sepulcher.
>>739808084She is a woman even in her daggerfall concept art drawings of said >pic you posted in, as ingame dialogue, and her use the ole amazonian pretty girl disguice of hers to help in her quest.She literally has the fan title of Daedric Prince of Tomboys.Almalexia LITERALLY tried to steal all her gig like a envious daughter and failed, and now she is a bodiless spirit manipulating her former loyalists and desperate to get her body back to take over morrowind again.
>>739816538dregs (or for fun, Dr eggs)
>>739787217Wait, people don't like JNS? Why?K'vatra is one of the most fascinating characters to talk with in Morrowind period. I also saw they want to change him to a clothed model which seems like a really really bad idea.
>>739817213>K'vatra>literally just Jabba the Huttcmon now
>>739805567>>739805772>>739807321I'm surprised there's no mod that would make Ahnassi a reactive companion with a deeper character.
>>739817276Lots of fascinating characters from fiction are just aping on other characters. That doesn't make them bad.Hell almost every province in Tamriel is just ripped off from a fantasy series down to the name
High Rock is getting friendly ghost dogs, what are you gonna name yours?
>>739817276Jabba was just a greedy crimelord though while K'vatra is a wizard whose drug empire seems to just a means to fuck over other sload
>>739807059>Telvanni>Imperial mage's guild banner
>>739773405>outlandishLet's not make this official, outlander. Move along.
orcs live here
>>739818976Redoran think this is so awful they prefer to go live underground in a bug carcass, surrounded by ash
>>739819180Yeah but look at the neighbors
>>739818976Velothi Mountains? I like the concept of the Malakh orcs, their little town that's in the game now with it's altar is such a neat detail.
>>739817349my very special friend can't be this cute
>>739810790>very esoteric things
>>739810728Perfect way of signalling that you wouldn't get it.
>>739821241https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/739378569/#739388498and other posts from that thread
>>739805567I really need to play Morrowind as extensively modded as I've done for the other games.
>>739816017Doesn't UESP keep the mod "lore" on separate pages?
>>739821490Thank you.
>>739821632that frost eye fag is editing everything and you cant unedit pages anymore
>>739806275Setting is too much like D&D. Morrowind did a better job of making it stand out.
would Boethiah be anon's tomboy gf
>>739810790I propably wouldn't get it
>>739821632he's the guy who's upset over boethiah being referred to as a he, which is of course official TES lore, just not from daggerfall
>>739817658Vivec
Not even trying to disregard the arguments but why does it matter whether boethiah uses male or female pronouns at any given time? All the daedric prines are genderless shapeshifting gods.
>>739806275Daggerfall is mid. 60% of the gameplay is wandering through mazes and 30% is asking for directions. It's primarily a getting lost simulator. It also has less actual content than any of the future Elder Scrolls games, in spite of having 60 gorillion identical settlements and NPCs.
>>739824603Daggerfall also started the lazy radiant quest thing, but almost ALL of its quests are radiant. In Skyrim, you talk to a guy, go to an arbitrary dungeon, and fight your way through a nonsensical linear layout of one of four asset sets until you kill the right thing. in Daggerfall, you talk to a guy, go to an arbitrary dungeon, and fight your way through a nonsensical NONLINEAR layout of one of four tile sets until you kill the right thing.
>>739824603The symmetry there is weird. Skyrim and Daggerfall have much more dungeon-focused quests compared to Oblivion and especially Morrowind where a lot of quests don't involve a dungeon at all. Morrowind and Oblivion also had better designed dungeons imo, with a smaller size so you didn't get sick of them and a happy medium between too simple and too complex.
>>739808860He confirms that the Dreugh ruled over a place that wasn’t Tamriel.
>>739806867It's 2026 and we still have people who can't stop talking about reddit in every other post? Like this is some sports team rivalry horseshit, nobody with an adult brain and a triple digit IQ gives a fuck about them enough to obsess like this, you should've grown out of this by now.
>>739808860>DragonbornPre-Skyrim this shit didn't have the meaning you think it does, Mankar is just another incorrect metaphysical retard from a worthless game that retcons Morrowind and thus holds no value here.
>>739817658>the witchmen have black dogs (Barghest, Black Shuck, etc.) as their alliesHonestly not bad. Bretons are evil, awful people.
>>739825779>>Dragonborn>Pre-Skyrim this shit didn't have the meaning you think it doesThat piece of lore was written by Michael Kirkbride and is used regularly by Kirkbride to refer to those of the Dragons Blood, who can speak Dragon Tongue, which Mankar is confirmed to be capable of
>>739825624Isnt Vivecs account of the Dreugh that they're literally his rape babies and that he was the one to defeat them and free some specific secret land from them?
>>739826136Yeah, something like that. The key takeaway is that there is or was a time or place ruled over by lobster men, which Mankar Camoran confirms.
>>739826136No, Vivec only says his birthing allowed the Ruddy Man to fall into Tamriel which isn't even really one of his spawn. The Dreughs are also referred to in the sermons way before the Pomergranate wedding. If anyhting Vivec calls them the Altmer of the sea implying that they're old.
>>739825885>Um Kirkbride wrote in Skyrim...I don't care? That's not Morrowind.
>>739825885Pre-Skyrim The Voice has nothing to do with your dragon dildo fetish.
>Morrowind thread>Look inside>Some fag is DESPERATE to talk about Oblivion, Skyrim, and ESOWhat is wrong with these fags?
>>739826589>>Um Kirkbride wrote in Skyrim...nothing at all
>>739815856She killed you and she's paranoid you're going to kill her back no matter how hard you simp.
>>739816538It's pronounched Dreyh and you can't convince me otherwise. The gh is a H sound like in Van Gogh. >he pronounces it Van GoAre you fucking stupid?
>>739816538Drew-gh
>>739826792>>Some fagEvery Morrowind thread theres someone posting that 'people talking about Oblivion/Skyrim/ESO' are one guy even though its blatantly not truewhy the schizophrenia?
>>739826892>He doesn't know Kirkrbride did work on Skyrim
I love this art so much. and the title fits it so perfectly, I can't think of any other words than "foul murder" when I look at it. the sheer brutality, their calm faces, weird symbols as if spurting out of nerevar's eyes. michael cooked here.
>>739827218You can look up and see someone trying to talk about Mankar (Oblivion,) Ithela (ESO,) and various Skyrim plotlines (Dragon Language.) Why bother lying like this?
>Morrowind thread>one guy endlessly spams that Morrowind and TR are the only cannon even though 300 other posts in the thread dont agree
>>739827373>Everyone agrees with MY opinion!Proof?
>>739827254It's also the source of all the "The Tribunal was anticipating the Nerevarine" theories though.
>>739827369more like it's Morrownigger finding something to complain about. like the one fag who thinks Shouting is exclusive to Nords when Tiber Septim exist
>>739827369Nigger read, that anon has been posting about 'one guy' in threads for a month now even though its dozens of different postersJust search 'one guy' in b4k and you'll see him saying that every time some Oblivion or Skyrim lore comes up
>>739826792Pure contrarianism. Everybody with a brain knows that morrowind is the real game while skyrim and oblivion were halfassed cash grabs and the devs admit this. The whole thought process behind those games is "how can we dumb this down so a retard can play it?" and "how can we adapt this to popular trends so retards will play it?"
>>739827708Anon, if one post brings up three topics then obviously that guy is talking about those things. You trying to pretend it's all different people is bizarre.
>>739827698>I hate Morrowind and want to talk about Skyrim!>Goes to the Morrowind thread instead of the Skyrim oneWhy?
>>739827427That's not what an opinion is, its an observation. Posters were bringing up Oblivion/Skyrim all the time barring TR Discord fags, which have recently started this trend to shill TR's (shit writing) as "TRVE CANNON"
>>739753901The original is better.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7cN7x35qJQ
>>739827726how is your transition progressing?
>>739827782Its not because different people can intercept the topic and change direction also there's like 10 different branches of discussion here>>739827726>how can we dumb this down so a retard can play itMorrowind was never hard, people who memed the stamina-dagger thing on /v/ got filtered by not having the manual or reading the wiki/hints from the internet because the game never tells you fatigue gives multiplicative damage scaling. There isn't a single piece of content in Morrowind that's "difficult", play Wizardry 8 or Might and Magic 6 for that
Aw yeah time for a new Morrowind playthrough!>Race: Dunmer>Class: Custom spellsword / battlemage>Get Mentor's Ring>Nick Blade of White Woe from the guards tower>Go to the underworks in Vivec and cheese the Dagon shrine for a Daedric longsword>Join House TelvanniGaming time
>>739827836You said all 300 posts agreed with you, that needs proof.
>>739827983>There's like 10 different branchesYeah and the point of complaint is the one guy constantly bringing up Mankar Camoran and Skyrim lore, who is one person, retard.
>>739828159based
>>739826678They were kind of setting it up though. Tiber Septim was a dragonborn emperor, with a dragon companion, who chose the red dragon as the symbol of his empire, who built a college to teach the voice's use as a weapon.
>>739828387They weren't, dragons in Redguard were an exotic race from fucking Akavir.>To teach the voice as a...The college was in-lore a scam that didn't teach anyone shit.>Red dragonThe Akaviri dragon btw.Like saying dragons weren't a thing in lore is obviously false, but they weren't super special gods and people who used the Voice had nothing to do with dragons or having dragon souls. Daggerfall is the same game where Akatosh is a horse-sized talking dragon with a girlfriend who lets a random Dark Elf ride around on him like a mount.
>>739827698The implication in the Morrowind days was that Tiber Septim couldn't shout at all and Wulfharth did it all for him
>>739828567>The college was in-lore a scam that didn't teach anyone shit.According to a schizophrenic elf.
>>739828845More like>According to the only source that mentions the college whatsoeverLike not even Skyrim goes sand says it was a real institution.
>>739828908¥R is a source within the source.
>>739828978Is there a point to you being a pedant? Nothing depicts the college as a functional institution. PGE1 (a propaganda piece) mentions it, and the commentator says "nuh uh" and nobody ever brings it up again.
>>739829112>muh propagandaI can tell that you think the Empire are bad guys. You missed the point. The entire point of the series is that imperialism is a good thing.
>>739829219Have you ever even actually read the PGE1? It's fundamentally wrong about shit like the Hist.
>>739829352It's wrong about the hist because it's basically impossible to go that deep into Black Marsh without contracting super-ebola and shitting out your entire skeletal system. They assumed that the hist was a type of Argonian, an understandable mistake.
>>739829648So it can also be wrong about recently conquered places like Morrowind, Elsweyr, and Valenwood, and about Summerset which hasn't even been conquered yet. It also also be wrong about the out of Atmora theory it mentions, which many other sources contradict.
>>739829219Maybe from Oblivion onwards, but in Redguard the Empire was absolutely portrayed as a fairly standard evil empire and even in Morrowind it's a lot more nuanced than that
>>739829219>The entire point of the series is that imperialism is a good thing.Read PGE2's entry on Quey again
>>739831410One thing I think is cute about Cathnoquey is how the island now recognizes the Imperial colony as one of its people and will do anything to make sure the Imperials stick around (the Wasabi islands were literally created by it to give them a reason to stay.) Even after the Third Empire is long gone there's going to be a remnant TE culture farming wasabi on that island.
>>739827983It's not about the game being difficult it's about skyrim and oblivion being less complex. Morrowind just has more mechanics. Morrowind has more quests that are designed like puzzles. Morrowind has more complex stories and worldbuilding. It is not a hard game at all but it's fun and versatile and gives the player alot of options and variable playthroughs. In oblivion and skyrim you just run around like a retard and kill bandits for the most part.
>>739828247>Mankar Camoran and Skyrim lorenot truet. I intervened in other anons convo
>>739832162>I replied to him so he doesn't exist?
>>739832231uhh anon 1 != 2that's why the first post was just bait
>>739751502Morrowind is so fucking powerful it transcends IPsHas anyone checked out the Aliens Vs Predator 2 mods on Moddb? I just woke up with pic related in my fucking face.What are the best Morrowind mods I can play?
>>739832282Anon you have a very distinct posting style. "I replied to the guy who constantly brings up Mankar Camoran!" doesn't mean that guy doesn't exist. Also, these threads are frequent, and his posting style and behavior comes up a lot. So again, you replying to him doesn't somehow mean he doesn't exist.
>>739829219>>739831410>>739831525>During the Treasury's investigations, the Quey naturally denied having created these gardens in their alien and insouciant way, shrugging as if the mystery was really quite obvious. To their credit, the Quey had never been actually seen trading wasabi at market in the thirty years of Imperial occupation. When their "untitled leaders" were questioned how it got there and who its gardeners were, they merely told the Imperials that "it showed up when you did." Under torture, the origins of the Wasabi Run and its careful cultivation were made even less clear, with variations of a single answer: "you needed something from Cathnoquey, so it gave it to you. You are Quey now, so stop hurting yourself." The 3E wants to just know everything, it wants to have quantifiable data on everything it can all nicely labled and stored in a box somewhere. Why? Because it needs to generate value. It needs to create wealth for its stakeholders. Resources must be harvested and sent back to the Motherland to produce new goods and generate more gold. While it's running roughshod over Cathnoquey it encounters a novel magic, one that it's never known, and resorts to violence when the locals can't tell them exactly how it works. But, they live on Quey. They moved to it and became part of it, and Quey provides for itself, so it gave them what they wanted. Valuable raw resources to farm, a resource that could be extracted and exported to enrich whoever earned the Imperial charter to exploit it. The lives of the native mer and men are completely changed. Their old culture is dead, their leaders are gone, and they are being forced to live the way the Empire wants them to live. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Who benefits, who suffers, and why? Is it better or worse that Cathnoquey was raped into submission because it just happened to be on the path to Akavir, not out of any particular sense of hatred or malice?
>>739832395>Anon you have a very distinct posting style. >his posting style and behavior comes up a lot. >you replying to him doesn't somehow mean he doesn't exist.wat
>>739832515Not my problem if you can't read.
>>739831410>elder scrolls forum fanfiction>canon
>>739832392Holy shit it's real. https://www.moddb.com/games/aliens-vs-predator-2
>>739832879Are there any other Elder Scrolls crossovers like this?
someday they will get a couple of asset devs and start moving... someday...
>>739832607Fanfiction written by the same guy who wrote the PGE1, so unless you're arguing that Bethesda emanates some sort of mystical energy that makes walls of text come alive and transcend the author's intent, it is absolutely relevant in a conversation about how the Pocket Guide was meant to be interpreted
>>739806275but it has no catgirls
>>739832570see>>739827218>why the schizophrenia?>>739832879dont see it, was it removed?
>>739833305Why the moons and why not an Oblivion realm?
>>739833418You just can't read anon, sorry.
>>739833489There is an Oblivion realm mod.
>>739833623If you're talking about doors of oblivion it's trash.
>>739833310Not entirely. If you were active on the Bethesda Forums at the time, you could have contributed to PGE1. For example, Lutemoth, one of the early contributors to Tamriel Rebuilt, co-authored the section about High Rock.>>739833489They are also doing Oblivion. I don't know if it's going to be its own mod or it's going to be part of the other mods though: TR is going to have this in it, so maybe it's a sub-project?https://wiki.project-tamriel.com/wiki/Jaws_of_Oblivion
>>739833684Sucking doesn't stop it from existing.
>>739833731>PGE1Sorry, PGE2.
>>739833731isn't this just Khalaan?
>>739833731I imagine Doors of Oblivion project is there to maybe pump out assets to make it possible for quest lines to go into a realm of Oblivion or two. Eventually maybe having a free open world experience.
Is there another Tamriel province like Morrowind that would be equally weird and alien? There are some aspects of Oblivion and Skyrim that I enjoy since there is some weirdness present there, but what other province would get us the fucking weirdo realm of Morrowind again? Is Black Marsh the best contender?
>>739834202In weirdness it's Morrowind > Black Marsh > Valenwood basically. All these places are noted for being exotic beyond anywhere else.
>>739834202All the provinces in the old lore before bruce nesmith sabotaged the artistic direction of the whole series for shortsighted corporate bullshit. You can see it in all his work besides the elder scrolls. His whole thought process for everything is just "how can we make a shittier version of something that's currently popular but will sell reallu well?" and that's how oblivion and skyrim came to be.
>>739753901https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNipoNLC6Eg
>>739834471I think weirdness is relative. People in-universe don't think Cyrodiil's jungle tiger spirits and river dragons are weird, or Skyrim's cocaine sky whales and ice-wraiths. All that stuff is 'normal.' These people think Morrowind is weird in-universe, so Morrowind is relatively weird even to them, despite the fact that they're all weirdos to us.
>>739825624They were the big boys of the previous Kalpa.
>>739834202Read A Dance in Fire and The Argonian Account. Aside from being fun stories, they show a glimpse of what Valenwood and Black Marsh would be like and they're fucking wild.
>>739834591In-universe Blackmarsh would probably be considered the most exotic province in mainland Tamriel. Argonians there are like africans and abbos in that they don't have concepts of linear time or cardinal directions or property. The whole place is impassable disease-ridden swamp full of semi-mythical races and creatures that nobody is sure of whether they're real or extinct.
>>739834202There's a bit of irony in the fact that Nesmith RPs as Dyus, the most boring, most autistic, most depressed, most cynical, grayest oldest man who enjoys nothing at all and doesn't want anything and expresses literally no emotions whatsoever. I'm not sure if Kuhlman told him to do that as a joke at his expense, or if it was Nesmith's idea.https://en.uesp.net/wiki/General:Interview_With_Two_Denizens_of_the_Shivering_Isles
>>739835335Meant for>>739834471
>>739834451Nah it's Black Marsh > Morrowind = Valenwood
>>739760234Bro her arm in the first pic is tiny like that fucking dude from scary movie 3
>>739828387>They were kind of setting it up thoughMichael Kirkbride would never have tied the Voice to the Dragonborn without TES5's specific commercial restraints. Todd said "we want to make a game about dragons", and Bruce said "we want Nords to love Akatosh." Everything from there is completely worthless to understanding the TES3 setting.Before Todd and Bruce's demands, Michael and Kurt's view of Skyrim was that Nords hate the Dragon God, thu'um comes from Kyne, and the game has nothing to even do with dragons (their proposal was a paranoid thriller about the Thalmor killing Talos in Aetherius and causing mass psychic distress on Nirn).
>>739751502he's a communist
>>739829112so you will believe one truth over another, when it is likely the real truth doesn't exist.
>>739837453I trust Morrowind to have shown us if the voice was something you could just get a community college degree in. It has plenty of Nords.
>>739834202>>739834471You niggers have been talking about wanting more of MKs weirdness in TES yet all the fanfics you guys write about TES are within the safe confines of what is already either canon or semicanon SHotN finally did Morrowind style Skyrim and it sucked assActually write this weird version of Skyrim or Blackmarsh you guys want instead of waiting for Bethesda to do so.
>>739837809well maybe it shifted back into a greybeards pacifism by the late 3rd Era. Though I don't doubt the college was mostly a shame, but if the greybeards exist than the thu'um can't be something impossible to teach. The YR source also doubts Tiber Septim was that good with the thu'um either, I think he just has a bit of a hate boner since he seems to like the Greybeards.Morrowind also doesn't have that many nords and most of them seem to have some sort of mental retardation. I don't the ash storms are kind to them.
>>739838358In Morrowind era lore Tiber couldn't use the thu'um at all, Wulfharth did it for him. So he's more correct than he knows.
>>739838452Tiber is Ysmir though. He's supposed to have effectively absorbed him and assimilated him. He's not only 'metaphorically' or 'technically' Ysmir but rather literally post MechaTiberTalos
>>739838275>SHotN finally did Morrowind style Skyrim and it sucked assSHotN takes its visual identity and lore from a mix of pre-Skyrim and post-Skyrim concepts.
>>739838581Yes but YR is writing before the mecha.
>>739838587So can any Morrowind fans even write a good version of Skyrim, even as a hypothetical? Or is it an impossible pipe dream of the times, a reflection of the emptiness of the era that was promised, a cutting down of Donar's Oak cut down by the light of action!
>>739838452what source is this? It's not The Arcturian Heresy.
>>739838629Its effectively "retroactive". Divinity is beyond time, Talos should by all accounts be a Thuum master.
>>739838581Wulfharth is Ysmir. Tiber uses the title because Wulfharth is riding him, hoping to get to use him for his revenge. As the other anon pointed out, PGE1 is pre-Numidium's activation, and pre-Talos. Tiber only 'absorbs' Zurin and Wulfharth post-Numidium, and he only truly ascends when the Underking kills himself with the Warp in the West, which retroactively completes Talos's ascension.
>>739838685You can't make a "good" version of Skyrim, it's going to be boring vikingland no matter how you cut it.
>>739838753>Tiber only 'absorbs' Zurin and Wulfharth post-Numidiumbut he doesn't absorb just their present form, but rather their whole, including their past. This is important as it relates to the notion of mortality vs divinity as being related to time vs transcendence. In other words, its logically incorrect to say that 'Tiber was not originally Ysmir' because structurally what the past is composed of in TES does not have the characteristic of an Ysmir who isn't Talos. Without this distinction, Talos would be a lesser God to Manimarcus
>>739838695Read it carefully and notice how Hjalti only receives the power of the thu'um when Wulfharth is present, and loses it when he leaves.
>>739838695It is. In that book Wulfharth is the one who shouts down the gates of Old Hroldan and is responsible for Tiber Septim's early conquests, which is why Tiber feels the need to feign an assassination attempt that damages his throat, to draw away suspicion that he stopped shouting altogether after a certain point, which the Heresy blames on Wulfharth leaving over being disappointed by Tiber's cowardice when it finally came time to fight the elves.
>>739838931You can keep talking all you want about retroactivity and in this context it's completely irrelevant because this conversation is about the PGE1, which was written and exists in a reality before Talos's ascension. It's just like any account detailing the Tribunal's lives as mortals, the account is the same regardless of the retroactivity of time.
>>739759189Dunmer women smell bad. Just find an Altmer wife instead.
>>739838986>>739838995Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this lore imply that Wulfharth is literally just a pile of ash that has to be carried around everywhere by people or the wind?
>>739838275There's plans for more fun stuff in Skyrim later on, the issue really is that the original SHOTN (Dragonstar and Karthwasten) was made by people who are mostly gone now and had different goals, and The Reach exists halfway as an attempt to remediate that old (Redguard) content and halfway a bunch of Reachman wank. Nobody is currently working much on actual Nord stuff, where all the fun lore about Kinmune and sea-ghosts and sky-whales is supposed to get assets and come in.
>>739839276No, it tells you that Wulfharth is a spirit who inhabits a storm and ash after his defeat at Red Mountain. He's basically become a god, or a sky spirit, rather than a man.
>>739816538DROOJ
>>739839276No, the Arcturian Heresy (and the Five Songs of King Wulfarth) describe him as something like an ash creature or a wind elemental who can and does move around on his own, if anything you're supposed to think of him as an overwhelming all-powerful living storm
tfw playing morrowind for the first time and it's really >good
>>739839513Morrowind is fun from the minute you leave the port and that little wood elf comes up to flirt with you.
>>739839390>>739839507The image of Wulfharth being carried in an urn everywhere and presented like an actual, living person or treated like the Ark of The Covenant seems like the kind of thing Kirkbride would write in.
>>739839743I mean, him being a living mass of ashy storm clouds is also something Kirkbride would write in...because he literally did, since both Five Songs and the Heresy are his books and Wulfharth is basically his character through and through
>>739839651ya it really is. i feel like all the morrowind youtube sphere of influence are people who never played the game and use ai to just write scripts to narrate because everything they say is a lie >combat is bad but you just bear with it for all the cool mushrooms! those mushrooms are what's really good in the game! the combat is great lol >morrowind is suuuuuuper janky lmao it's so jank there's like all these systems in the game and if you know exactly how you can make yourself SUPER STRONG oh man it's JANK wow
>>739839871He could be both. They could toss his ashes up into the air when he needs to fight.
>>739839513Glad you like it, you're not playing a filthy beast race are you?
>>739839276he's basically kanishka's initial apostle form from berserk
>>739839939my main is a high elf atronach, 2nd character is dunmer roleplaying nerevar, 3rd character is a sneaky... argonian might have sort of bricked my 2nd character though as he's nerevar and has been killing ordinators who mess with him
>>739838275If I got good ideas then I sure as hell am not wasting them on a fanfic.
>>739836839I do think it's funny when people defend Skyrim's lack of a nordic pantheon by claiming that it's a sensible lore development that makes perfect sense because 600 years of Imperial colonialism or because Oblivion's ending should have logically made everybody in the setting immediately convert to the Imperial Cult or whatever when in reality we know it's just happened because Bruce Nesmith thought the setting having more than one religion in the first place was a mistake that made things overly complicated and he didn't wanna bother burdening the audience they cultivated after Oblivion with making sense of why the Nords worship a different set of gods and why they think the good boy dragon jesus who saved everybody at the end of the previous game is evil, hence Alduin suddenly being Akatosh's "son" now lol
>>739839276Fun fact, killing Wulfharth's body inhabited by Lorkhan's spirit is where Nerevar gets one of his titles, "Godkiller."
>>739839871I always wondered how Wulfharth is King Dead Wolf-Deer, since that's also Kirkbride's thing. Like, KDWD predates the mortal birth of Wulfharth, and KDWD still exists. I know he's a god now and so time is meaningless to him, but you gotta wonder why he incarnated as a Wild Hunt Bosmer.
>>739839884Yeah once you figure out how your mana and fatigue works, and learn how you get attribute points via leveling, you've pretty much solved the whole system and discovered it's really simple and functional. Only a few things stand out as half-formed and they're less janky and more poorly thought through (eg. hand to hand,) they function perfectly just don't do a good job.
>>739840175What do you mean bricked? There are probably multiple different ways of doing what you want. Going high elf atronach also seems incredibly painful for a 1st playthrough
>>739840564It's really funny because the type of person with an IQ low enough to be confused about ingame religion is also the same type who does not pay any attention whatsoever to such things while playing
>>739840564It's especially weird when the lore for the Imperial pantheon is that Alessia specifically made it for her people to be a compromise between the Nord's and Ayleid's pantheons because she had allies from both races and wants to get along. It'd be weird as shit for the group that literally exists to not piss off the Nords while also not pissing off Elves to suddenly go and try to piss off Nords by replacing their gods with slightly more elvish versions. Especially when the last time the Imperials tried to fuck with Nord religion the Nords literally teamed up with the Altmer to beat the shit out of them.
>>739840704Wulfharth wants a world where the answer to the question "Seen any elves?" is an emphatic no. So he went back and pretended to be an elf so he could taunt the Empire into killing elves. He hates that not a single incarnation of the Empire has initiated elven genocide.
>>739841051He's still really mad about Dagoth Ur backstabbing him huh.
>>739840564>Oblivion's ending should have logically made everybody in the setting immediately convert to the Imperial Cultmeanwhile in reality, a nord's reaction to being told what transpired in the imperial city at the end of the crisis would probably have been something like>so, you awoke alduin and had him fight the demon leaper king? that's clever, just like our old legends! we're glad it all worked out for you, but you should probably avoid that lest he thinks it's already time to devour the world!
>>739840564Everyone knows that the Thalmor solved the Oblivion crisis though
>>739806275Daggerfall is that weird period where TES had more kinship with Wizardry, Ultima and MaM.
>>739840807Oblivion does hand to hand the best with all of the special moves you can do, but falls flat in the actual application (they're just bonus damage and a small chance for an effect).
>>739838275Skyrim is probably the most grounded place in elder scrolls as a whole. It feels like alot of people are trying to make it weird just for the sake of being weird. It has a few oddities, but the thing that should make skyrim interesting is the nordic culture and religion moreso than anything else. They don't have to just be vikings.
Tips for a Imga playthrough?
>>739845018MarukhmaxxKill every Altmer on sight
>>739844943I think the most interesting thing about Morrowind-era Skyrim was the fact Nords are explicitly immune to cold. Wouldn't that affect how and where they build their holds when they didn't have to worry about freezing to death? Is the reason Old Hroldan has been reduced to an inn by the 4th era the fact the settlement was never made with central heating in mind, and its buildings had to be abandoned after the Nords could no longer use them as shelter?
>>739846750I mean that wouldn't even make much sense since Old Hrol'dan is supposed to be a Reachman settlement not Nordic
>>739843447>Oblivion does hand to hand the bestMeanwhile my Daggerfall character:
>>739846750I hate how hyperfixated people are on things like snow whales when it comes to skyrim. Yes they're cool and they should be a thing but there's so much untapped potential with nords. Instead of making them just vikings they could have a blending of celtic, germanic, norse, and gallic cultures, or even other totemic and shamanic cultures, and far more than that just a fully organic neolithic/bronze/iron age thing. Even in morrowind they're almost exclusively retarded antagonistic assholes, but they really could be so much more.
>>739840810like can't progress the main quest i guess. ya i'm not too concerned>atronach I always wanted to try out atronach in an elder scrolls game and figured it would be a fun challenge for morrowind. it was! the early game fighting your own ghosts was sort of fun RP and it forced me to learn all the teleport mechanics pretty quick. Now I'm searching the world for ways to increase my maximum magicka or get recovery. I know about the mace of molag bal but i don't know where it is :0
>>739849753That is what SHOTN is doing though? Did Solitude having Rus' influences or High Hrothgar taking cues from Tibetan Buddhist temples not clue you in?
>>739833305it will probably gain traction when OpenMW eventually implements multiple exterior worldspaces
>>739843447My favorite is Simonrim
For me, it's Mr. House as a crystal
>>739840564>makes perfect sense because 600 years of Imperial colonialismEspecially retarded because the Empire pre-TES5 doesn't even bother trying to convert its subjects for the most part.>The Imperial colonists and House Hlaalu find common cause in their shared tastes for progress, __tolerant polytheism__, free trade, and vigorous exploitation of Vvardenfell's untapped resources.>Imperial culture is a pragmatic melting pot of the various contrasting cultures of the Imperial provinces, unified by a strong hereditary emperor and bureaucracy, the rule of law, a powerful professional army, and __tolerance of disparate polytheistic cult worships.__The whole point is that the Empire isn't a theocracy and runs on freedom of religion by contrast to the Tribunal Temple. Imperial authors praise the Empire's diverse polytheism because it goes to show just how powerful the Empire is, how it can get Alduin-fearing Nords and Auriel-loving Altmer to cooperate under the dragon banner. Skyrim, High Rock, Hammerfell, and (southern) Elsweyr have all been integrated into Imperial culture for centuries and show no signs of Nine Divines worship in TES3's time. (Bretons worship the eight Aedra but evidently in a very different way than Cyrodiil, considering they hold Magnus and Y'ffre above all the Aedra and don't worship Talos, the Ninth Divine.) Cyrodiil itself doesn't even have organized religion, it's just a bunch of cults.
>>739850843Basically the Imperial Cult as you see it in Morrowind only exists because the Imperials specifically want the Tribunal Temple destroyed because it gets in the way of Westernization and making money. You might see it in Black Marsh too which has similar problems among the Hist-humpers. They might also have made an attempt in Valenwood until they realized the Green Pact is very real and Bosmer are otherwise very similar to Altmer in beliefs so just leave the trees alone and you're good.
>>739849794NTA but I'm pretty sure pissing off the Ordinators has no impact on main quest progress, I don't know why you wouldn't be able to finish it. But since you know the ghost thing then I'm guessing you already know the Ordinator thing is permanent. Man just take it easy and don't ruin the game for yourself by reading online guides and other bullshit.
>>739851189I didn't know the ordinator thing was permanent when I killed them, all I knew was wearing their armor pissed them off lol>reading guides I'm intentionally not reading any gameplay hints or walkthroughs but I've looked at some of the mechanics behind alchemy and spellmaking and levelling and stuff. I actually had a lot of fun on my main character collecting ingredients, working through alchemy, making spells, naming them/organizing my spell list, figuring out how to train my levels properly, etc - i spent a long time on all that. I also learned about creeper my other characters are actual roleplays though so I limit what I can do based on what would be in character and not kill my sense of progression (like no stealing from Galbedir or whatever her name is, etc) A few overpowered things I've found for myself and the game did get easy on every character already so maybe I'll experiment with higher difficulties I'm like 75 hours in and I feel like I've explored about 10% of Vvardenfell, lot alone TR or any mods. Very good game. I was a lot more immediately impressed than I thought I would be.
>>739851581>I also learned about creeperLike you mean you personally traded with him in-game and happened to notice his bugged prices by yourself or what? Creeper is walkthrough stuff. No first-time player is going to pick Atronach and think to do the ghost summoning trick without reading guides about it. Same with Boots of Blinding Speed for that matter, which everyone pretends to have exploited naturally on their own. Spoiler, most of those people read guides. I'm not gonna tell you how to have fun, if you like powergaming then hell, Morrowind is a pretty good game for that, but come on dude.
>>739851581If you have TR and PT mods installed and you plan on doing those as well as the base game then you will get very strong very fast. If you haven't played morrowind before then don't be afraid to just take it slow. It's fun to go around raping everything but there is some real uniqye tactical depth to early and midgame morrowind.
>>739834202>Is there another Tamriel province like Morrowind that would be equally weird and alien?If the PC guys wanted, they could go even more schizo than Morrowind with Cyrodiil, but I wouldn't hold my breath.Valenwood could go very hard in theory, but how do you code shit like traveling cities?I feel like the cats have potential too.
>>739853338>but I wouldn't hold my breath.Start holding your breath, because it's already odd.
>>739846750>Wouldn't that affect how and where they build their holds when they didn't have to worry about freezing to death?Not really. Being immune to cold doesn't extend to crops, farm animals, and game.
>>739853085no i learned about the ghost thing from a video before i installed the game and was like "oh okay i can try that." Creeper I learned about from a video and started using him when i fucked up my levels by rolling over like 3 levels worth of stats so i was levelling into 0 attribute bonuses on everything and had to start buying training and securing where to sell stuff was annoying I'm doing all the major questlines on 3 different characters, the other 2 are straight RP but my nerevar RP got too strong from getting ordinator gear. Also literally every martial class gets too powerful from the game if they have a bound weapon or an enchanted weapon with bound summon effect. I've been using them to take strong stuff on but it's a bit cheesy. The more I play the more I'll restrict, but I do want to learn all the game systems and stuff. I still haven't touched enchanting and don't know how it works. Like I said I spent hours and hours learning the magic stuff I do know and how to use the teleports to shrine for mana regen. I'm 60 hours on my main mage and only done like ... some % of the main quest i think I'm kind of far but don't know, completed mage guild and sort of just started Telvanni. I think completing all the main guilds and questlines and discovering how the systems work and finding some of the better items on the map across 3 characters is going to be a long game honestly. I do not have TR but plan to look into it after finishing up Vvardenfell
>>739853291>>739853752eventually I want to try very high difficult 1 life playthroughs where I have to quit upon dying. It seems like a fun way to play the game, but I've watched some people doing it on max difficulty and that seems ridiculous to attempt and i don't think anyone has completed the game with those rules.
>>739775572>>739775815AGP-ass mentality.
>>739854051Vivec is a true hermaphrodite, anon.
>>739854051this kirkbride guy seems talented hope he got to see his vision continued into multiple sequels that directly expanded and improved on morrowinds rpg mechanics and gameplay! >literal demons you say?
>>739780535what about the Reman coomvaults on the moon
>>739833389https://www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity/mods/251
>>739833389Daggerfall's default Khajiit are catgirls.>>739854898These are girl cats.
>>739854304The Deadlands being hell is accurate to how it was depicted in Battlespire, to be fair. Dagon has other realms that are cooler, like Havok Wellhead which is a giant stone fortress where his military and administration is headquartered, or the Chimera of Desolation, an island of Tamriel he captured and sequestered in the Void as revenge against a wizard who tricked him.
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58990?tab=descriptionbest mod of all time just dropped
>>739854979People's main issue with how Oblivion does it (pre Shivering Isles) is that it sells it like that's ALL of what Oblivion is like, not just one of Dagon's realms.
>>739855114Pretty cool.
>>739855135Even the Shivering Isles is questionable because it's just Morrowind 2. I'm not going to argue with it, but it could've been anything else, they could've made it an actual asylum with padded rooms, they could've made it an Escherian castlerealm where nothing makes sense, there was potential for other things there.
>>739855705>Escherian castlerealm where nothing makes sensethere are a few dungeons with that design in SI
>>739807628lol
>>739816017I don't care what fags online say. If it isn't in the game itself it doesn't affect me
>>739815856She's an elf AND a woman. She never had a chance
>>739855705The concept art for shivering isles was so much cooler than what we got. I find it ironic that the best content in both oblivion and skyrim so heavily harkens back to morrowind's designs and people will still try to say the games didn't fall off.
>>739818554That's the college of Winterhold banner thoughbeit
>>739856309Skyrim did Winterhold so fucking dirty.
>>739821881How? It's literally just babies first comparative religion class with dust and bugs and mushrooms. It even went back to the terribly generic "chosen one must save the world from evil cult led by magic guy" that every single non-Daggerfall game uses. Daggerfall is the only TES game with competent writing
>>739824603This is just telling on yourself for being shit at navigating. Exploring dungeons is fun as hell if you don't suck at it>>739825537This has to be bait
>>739856392>Competent writingDude there's barely any plot in the game.
>>739856459now that's a retard
>>739834202What's actually "weird and alien" about Morrowind though? You don't really think replacing trees with big mushrooms and having big bugs is that out of left field for a fantasy setting, do you?
>>739856693Morrowind players have yet to play another fantasy seriesWorld of Warcrafts 'alienness' is about x3 more extreme (and generally better as its actually colorful) regarding every one of Morrowinds aesthetic pillairs, and there's x100 more variety
>>739842434It was all the better for it, too
>>739856693Nix hounds. What are these even supposed to be?
This game might have the most dogshit lore I've seen of any franchise, and I read esoteric poorly-translated Chinese slopnovels
>>739856841>Shilling WoW in 2026I really doubt you're even a Daggerfall fan, this is some ironic bit you do out of hate for Morrowind, yeah?
>>739856392>competent writingOnly if you're Ted Peterson. The plot is retarded and requires sitcom-level incompetence from every actor involved to work. Midwits think this is deep because>muh epic morally gray low fantasy political dramaJust read ASOIAF dude
>want to play as an alchemist just roaming the lands making a living by selling potionsSurely plant only potions are enough? I dont think i can strip mines bare (usually owned by the empire) or kill enemies in a "pacifist" file
>>739856392Setting, not plot.Daggerfall's world is a D&D campaign with a few changes.
>>739856459>He got this filteredoh no no no
>>739856392Most of Daggerfall's "writing" isn't even in the game, it's in the strategy guide.
>>739856904That's just a big bug
SEX WITH DAGGERFALL KHAJITS
>>739857135It only has four limbs, and it has feet.
>>739856927I hate WoW but he is objectively correct. If all the secondaries acting like they truly love Morrowind for being weird alien atypical fantasy they should eat that shit up, but they don't because they are just LARPing because they decided trying to pretend to be esoteric an unintelligible is the same thing as being smart and interesting.
>>739857201>HeC'mon senpai, nobody thinks all the Daggerfall shilling and Morrowind shitting happening all at once at thread end is more than one person.
>>739856928>Low FantasyIt is most emphatically not low fantasy at all>Just read ASOIAF dudeAh, you are just making shit up I see. You heard someone online say it was like Game of Thrones and decided they must be right. Martin is a hack and wasted far more pages on a far worse story than Daggerfall. That is morally gray low fantasy political drama, but Daggerfall isn't.
I cant play daggerfall, i hate hurting the female enemies with big titties
>>739857197I've picked the legs of ants before so they only had four limbs
>>739857389Big titties, you say? You've got a real nice bounce to your chest!
>>739857412They didn't have feet though.
>>739857253Sorry to say nigga I made only that post sandwiched between 2 different anons agreeing :^)
>>739857487Nobody buys this senpai.
>>739857201Come on now. What the fuck are you even talking about besides TBC which happened 20 years ago and they never went back to? WoW has alot of spectacle but none of it is particularly very strange or unique. Especially these days when it's made for retards.
>>739857516TBC wasn't weird either. Video games will keep rehashing old shit from D&D or fantasy novels from the 70s and 80s over and over again, and idiots will keep treating it like it's fresh.
>>739856392>"chosen one must save the world from evil cult led by magic guy"So you're saying that you didn't understand the story
>>739856392Daggerfall fans are wild, man.
>>739857745I just don't understand the whole>erm this is more weird and zany and freaky than that! therefore it's better!Morrowind is "weird" because it's interesting and unique, made with alot of inspired ideas and coherent writing. I hate the people who circlejerk it just for being weird and I hate the troglodytes who can't digest anything that isn't a shallow caricature of a hollywood version of some real life thing. It's fucking stupid either way.
sutch looks nice
>>739858402Very salty place.
>>739858402The cow/bull imagery makes me worried Cyrodiil will go full poojeet.
>>739858662i think it's time to log off
>>739858882How so? Hindus worship cows, that's common knowledge.
>>739858662Morihaus has been a thing for ever, anon.>>739859015So did other cultures. Egyptians, Greeks, Mesopotamians, Yoruba etc. It's not exclusive to them at all. The only thing that makes them different is they worship cows and don't consider it okay to eat them, while all the other cultures did eat them. They eat cows in Cyrodiil, but bulls are sacred imagery and they obviously don't eat the children of Morihaus (Minotaurs) because they're considered people.
