It's the most fun you can have for free on your computer
>19 fucking years later>no other FPS game has surpassed its gameplay and class design
>>739777581>and class designThis one is frankly astonishing because TF2 doesn't really do anything that special or complex but every other class-based shooter PALES in comparison.Prime example: battlefield
>>739777125yupp
>>739777125We all know which classes are based and which classes are cringe, but what are the most based and most cringe loadouts for each class?
Kino.
>>739780624Based:>Scout: Scatter, pistol, atomizer>Soldier: Rocket jumper, Manntreads, Market gardener>Pyro: Degreaser, flare gun, axtinguisher>Demoman: Loose cannon, Sticky jumper, Caber>Heavy: Brass beast, steak, KGOBoxing>Engi: Rescue ranger, pistol, jag >Medic: Crossbow, Kritz, Ubersaw>Sniper: Huntsman, SMG, Objector>Spy: Ambi, DR, Knife, sapperCringe:>Scout:FaN, Guillotine, Wrap assassin>Soldier: Black box, Concheror, Escape plan>Pyro: Phlog, jetpack, powerjack>Demoman: Iron bomber, sticky bomb, whatever>Heavy: Tomislav, Banana, Fists of steel>Engi: Frontier, pistol, gunslinger>Medic: Blutsauger, Vacc, ubersaw>Sniper: Sniper rifle, Razorback, melee>Spy: L'etranger, Invis watch, Kunai, sapper
>>739777125I have more fun in Paladins ngl.
BALANCE THE FUCKING WEAPONS
>>739781139But does it have actual graphics?!
>>739781117>DR>BasedDon't think so DRcuck.
>>739781197It has booba.
>>739780624Razorbackfags are always annoying. I mean it usually means I end up picking off more useful players when I'm a spy anyways but I'd really like to be able to stab these pussies
>>739781117who the fuck uses the phlog with the thermal thruster>guillotine + wrap assassinagreed, that shit is aids
>>739781269>Spy player calling other classes pussies
>>739781269the razorback breeds complacencyjust shoot them
>>739777734battlefield is just Enemy Territory with (more and less shitty) vehicles, individual class balance was rarely a problem in BF compared to tankfags and jetfags pissing and shitting until DICE buffs them to the moon EVERYSINGLEGAME
>>739781160noTF2 is not meant to be "le balanced" compfag autism
>>739781117>Trolldier>Based>Tryhard Combo Pyro>Based>FaN Scout>Cringe>Combat Engineer>Cringe
>>739781269Feels nice to play Soldier and harass Sniggers with rockets before dive-bombing them. They can't do shit with their gay little back-shields.
>>739782620mini sentries are pretty cringe
>>739781776yeah that'd definitely the series' main problem but the intra class balancing and design could also be a lot better aswell
>>739777125*used to be, until Mannconomy happened, and MyM put in grave for good thanks to compfags ultimately who fucked off to their shitty esports corner after it went tits up.>half the alternative weapons are literally useless because they got nerfed for compfags>dogshit matchmaking system that has you waiting more than playing, thanks to compfags>trannies singlehandedly bloating filesizes with dogshit cosmetics because Valve gave up after Jungle Inferno
>>739781117>:FaN, Guillotine, Wrap assassinyou gotta really be buns at the game if you're getting buttblasted by this loadout. ESPECIALLY if you allow yourself to get hit twice by projectiles
>>73977758119 years ago you could actually tell what each class did. Now they all have a dozen additional gimmicks and weapons and you have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out what that particular medic uber is going to do, which of the silly watches the spy is using or wether the demoman is going to charge you with a fucking claymore because lolsorandom he’s black Scotsman with a claymore!!11>19 fucking years laterfuck
>>739783628Bleed just isn't fun. Scout doesn't need it
>>739782620How is trolldier not based? Because it makes you feel inferior when the shovel lands?
>>739783843>Bleed just isn't funI'd disagree, it changes up the dynamics of a fight in an interesting way while making an impactful sacrifice (for the cleaver, the wrap assassin is a straight upgrade that I won't disagree on)Scout also lacks fun and meaningful ranged options >>739783704>or wether the demoman is going to charge you with a fucking claymore because lolsorandom he’s black Scotsman with a claymore!!11tbf the shield does appear on his playmodel but I really wish the sword did too. Demoknight was a mistake but damn is he fun
>>739783628literally me
>>739784205There is a reason Guillotine is banned in 6s. Scout chucking 90dmg across the map is retarded
>>739784337and I forgot to mention, the recharge time is way too fast for some reason
>>739781423>who the fuck uses the phlog with the thermal thrusterf2p pyros. The wm1 triggers me. Although thinking more about it Scorch shot is way more cringe, so I would change it
>>739784337>Scout chucking 90dmg across the map is retarded90 damage once you let it do it's full duration. Also,>using 6s as a point of pr00fs for a balancing descision when 6s is not only a comp format and TF2 is a 12v12 casual shooter but moreover, 6s balancing is based more around what that specific group finds fun to watch/play >>739784478its a bit fast sure, but I think on its own without the Wrap Assassin it's fine balancing wise
>>739784552>phlog, scorch shot, powerjackliterally me. feed me more mmmph
>>739777125LMAO tf2 is dogshit. My least favorite valve game
>>739781117>Still seething at Minis in current year>Iron Bomber being cringe when it should be the blueprint for any unlock>Full Trolldier is a ""based"" loadout
>>739785030>>Still seething at Minis in current yearyes
>nearly two decades later>Nearly 4K non-idle hours>Still enjoy emptying lobbies as the most annoying scout ever
>>739785030>Iron Bomber being cringe when it should be the blueprint for any unlockMinor adjustments in blue text and red text?
>>739785206>most annoyingnot unless you're one of the double tap FaN skiddies
>>739785030Yes Iron bomber is cringe because real men use default. It's the quintessential cringe
>>739783906No, it's because you're a pussy using the Rocket Jumper instead of a real launcher.Afraid of a little self-damage, FAGGOT?
>>739777125True
>>739786279RJ can't damage enemies. It's a flex
>play loose canon quickie bomb demo>soldier main leavesmany such cases
I tried playing it this week but I have no idea what the fuck is going on. It's like people teleport on top of me and I immediately die
>boot up tf2c>dive bomb with the anchor for an hour or two>go to bedyep, this is my TF2
>>739777125>Leave because of how bad Meet You Match was>Once a year boot the game up>Load into a payload match and have general fun>realize how bad the matchmaking, UI, and functions like all-talk are gone post-MyM>Its still fun, but still genuinely worse than I remember it>Drop it again until next yearUntil they reverse MyM, it'll never truly revive.
How many of these snipers are cheaters?
>>73979270850%
>freeBut I bought it back in 2007
UN-RUIN YOUR STUPID FUCKING GAME.TAKE OUT RANDOM CRITS.
>>739788656Flexing is cringe, just like unusuals and australiums.
>>739782297you don't have to be a compfag to think some weapons are unbalanced and it makes the game less fun. what kind of logic is that? it's a pvp game so anything being overpowered or underpowered is just going to mean you're more likely to die and have to wait to respawn.
Best class coming through>>739777581>>739777734It took 6-12 months to develop each Class. Valve didn't fuck around with that.
>>739777581>class design>let's make 4 rarely 5 classes that are worth playing>the remainder only exist for mexican kids who don't know how to play the game so they pad the others' kill counts and make them want to buy australium rocket/sticky launchers and scattergunsYeah, what amazing design.
>>739792828F A I RANDB A L A N C E D
The only time I hear about this game anymore is when the community throws a fit, which is unfortunate. I kind of accepted the game is long past the glory days and pop back in every now and then for a few days. But gosh, people were really going at this map.Was it really that bad? It's not like TF2 doesn't already have maps based on carnivals and boardwalks. I really thought this one could've been fun but people were saying it's not very obedient to TF2's artstyle.
>>739793868There's a fair argument in that the bright red/blue walls blend in with the players, but otherwise the hate is overblown. TF2's artstyle is past the point of no return, so I don't mind if mappers cram in gimmicks.
>>739793847Quit playing Engi and TF2 in general when I realized my favorite class literally only existed to give a dopamine rush to Soldier or Demo mains when they blow up buildings. Engi is a class straightup made to die so two others can feel better, and that it's praised as "amazing game design" is grim. TF2 is one of the most unbalanced team shooters ever designed.
>>739793861Yeah and they thought that meme was so clever they made an achievement about it.Keeping their game ruined.But hey.Memes.
>>739793943I can agree with that if it was the case but it sounds like something easily fixable by just adjusting the hue on some textures. I'm worried that there's a growing hatred from the community towards these community summer themed updates, but I've really found them to all be pretty inoffensive. And what's the big deal if a map sucks, they add like 20 of them in the summer update these days. Half the maps in the last summer update were pretty wacky and like two of them were outright novelty maps. Just dont play them.
>>739777125Unironically it is.
>gets brutally mogged
>>739777581>Everything turned into Games-as-a-slop>Overwatch: porn factory>Fortnite: Zoomer paradise>Roblox: Digital child labor sweatshopTF2 won (even though there are many problems with it too).
>>739793868never heard of phoneyland before, it's a shame it has a hate campaign against it, a big carnival map sounds really cool
>>739777581I really loved Rumbleverse for the gameplay but no one played it.
I'm so fucking bad at this game
>>739794824Same. I just reinstalled it and I'm so garbage. I'm literally running around as Pyro because I can't land shots with guns
>>739793868There's a plague of TF2 artstyle purists who started playing in 2020+. It's quite funny
You havent gotten gud unless you can hit 3 pipes in a row on a heavy without letting go of mouse1.
>>739777125No I think I had more fun seeing pornographic pictures of cartoons while listening to Fatboy Slim, still it's a pretty dope game
>>739781776>DICE buffs them to the moon EVERY>SINGLE>GAMEThis is primarily why I only play BF1 and not BF4 anymore. Fucking buzzard and jetfags ruin whole matches just by existing because Dice refused to debuff them or atleast have penalties to prevent them from acing whole squads with just a couple of bullets
>>739794857>reinstall>the weapon you liked is incredibly nerfed>look up video about it>THANK GOD THIS HORRIBLE WEAPON WAS FIXED IT WAS A BANE ON THE GAME AND MERCIFULLY NERFED
>>739793868>Was it really that bad? Yes>It's not like TF2 doesn't already have maps based on carnivals and boardwalks.Don't care, doesn't belong in the game, go play Roblox or Gmod if you want your shitty Six Flags map
>>739793978>>739793847Skill issue
>>739795517Idk why your being a raging tranny about this. L4d2 is a grittier game than tf2 and it had dark carnival and it fit well alongside its rockstar map ending
>>739783480Can you talk without Valve's dick in your mouth? It's hard to make out your retardation.
>>739795714>criticize the game >criticize valve>"wow you're sucking valve's dick"?
>>739796342>this thing valve did horribly is actually not valve's fault at all>it's the compfag boogeyman I made up in my headYes, you are.
>>739793847found the compfag
>>739794857Soldier and Demoman are impossible for me
>>739795624Crucially, L4D2 isn't TF2, different artstyles made with different intentions, I don't care what L4D2 has or hasn't, I only care for what fits on TF2 or not, and a shitty wannabe Overwatch map doesn't fit TF2
>>739784646>retard uses the scorch shot when the detonator is strictly better
That Demo is a nega-WHEEZE
I can only derive enjoyment from getting 20-streaks as sniper and seeing other people sufferam i a bad person?
>>739796710The Scorch Shot makes people mad.
>>739792828>>739793861F U NA N DB A L A N C E D
>>739796908>20-streaksyes, delete the .dlls and you'll have more fun
>>739796470>multiple complaints had nothing to do with comp shit>says valve just gave up, unrelated to comp shitare you a compfag? you seem overly focused on and defensive about that part
>>739797002You're not wrong lmao, people are pretty irrational about some particular shit in this game
>>739796908Yes, you could go for 25
There is no lower lifeform than a competitive TF2 player
>>739777125It would be if I didn't need to pay to use the chat.I get it would just be bots trying to sell you shit if you could but honestly Valve just ban the bots then.
I will never stop playing team fortress 2
>>739800607*kills you*
>>739801047FOOLANON HAS TAKEN THE ENTIRE BOTTLE OF "DIE AND COME BACK STRONGER" PILLS
>>739796908I derive enjoyment from blast jumping at you niggers at the speed of sound and bludgeoning your brains out with a bottle.
>>739777581>freemason pyramid with fecal eating grin
The Black Rose is the White man's knife.
>>739798462There is, a TF2 trader
>>739794857Me too, just reinstalled the game after 10 years and getting used to aiming again is rough.I'm probably just crazy but the game feels laggier.
>>739805383>OOOOH i've really hit roock bottom...
>>739805287https://comfig.app/
I still play but I can't convince my friends to touch it. They want to play Overwatch or Rivals. Which they then get incredibly angry playing. I just don't get it.
>>739798462:^)
>>739793847>Mexicans playing tf2Mexicans have shit taste and play crap like freefire, fortnite, CoD, or LoL, never met anyone IRL that played tf2
>>739781117>Scout>not using Mad Milk in the based categoryPost so dogshit and worthless I'm surprised it doesn't come with Aqua pic attached
>>739777125This and The Finals
I love this game because 100 players match is allowed
I get I have only myself to blame for showing up and acting like something is going to change but>TF2 Discussion online>Usual suspects trotting out their totally good idea to "fix" the game by demanding Valve remove matchmaking which will somehow magically make people play on their servers (an actual user server is typically the host, a few of their friends and some randos that walked in)>This ignoring the fact that Valve has spent the past 10 years radio silent on these obnoxious faggots pretty clearly cementing in that they're not going to make them magically actually popular, which they have no control over in the first placeMaybe we could talk about a real improvement to the game.Like, having some of the Maps use the Steam DLC system so I can keep them uninstalled between game updates.I don't give a shit how many times they update it, I'm never gonna play demolition, and it'd be nice to uninstall the halloween maps during the off season.
>>739807647Oh and will you faggot larpers knock it off, I know you started playing in 2020, but nobody had an issue with fucking around on dm_mariokart, any of the fun ass Orange/Dev Texture maps or any of the maps themed around other shit over the years.Or at least sack the fuck up and actually make these "art style compliant" maps you're crying for.Then you'd actually be doing something productive.
>>739807647Put back the 45 minute map timer, make casual mode servers available on the browser to skip the queue, allow auto-scrambles and manual team switching. I don't care about community servers being populated, I want Valve's servers to be good.
>>739807647>valve shouldn't change anything about how the game is actually played, they should instead focus on saving 3 gigabytes of disk space for me and my stone age PCactual braindead post
>>739807236The stock weapons + atomizer are better if you are just trying to sweat your ass off all of the other secondaries got nerfed into oblivion
>>739777125It was 10 years ago. It's totally botched now.
>>739781117I tried phlog for a bit. I couldn't believe how easy it was to build and how many kills I got.
>>739793847every class is worth playing in 16+ player game modes which is what the game was designed for
>>739807883If any changes to how the game plays, I want to see unnerfs across the board nothing more nothing less
It's fun but Valves matchmaking fucking sucks. Often times it puts you in half empty servers and by the time the server fills up, some retards have rushed the objective so the map is over and the game is done. Half the people have like 0-5 points. And the top around 10 points. Then the voting for the next map starts. And community servers are mostly dead or are retarded stuff like 64 players 2fort, instant respawn. Plus Valve just doesn't give a shit about the game, it is sad to see for anyone who even likes it a shred. Hopefully they do something for 20 year anniversary.
>>739808072sniper is a useless nigger who just farms kills
>>739777581Marvel Rivals?
>>739807647>physically uninstalling the maps instead of just playing with them turned offAutism? 100MB hard drive?
Dead game that's mostly bots.
>cow mangler/righteous bison nerfed>loch n load nerfed>degreaser/axetinguisher nerfed>enforcer nerfedtf2 is dead, let it rest
>>739809118>scorch shot still cancerous>sniper still exists>kunai/dr untouched>crossbow still not nerfed despite it being complete bullshit
>>739777125Before they removed quickplay that is, ever since then it's been a slog as a result of them butchering an already working system for hopping in and shooting the shit depending on what you want out of the official servers, community servers don't count but are indirectly affected by the game slowly dying due to the constantly shifting online environment culturally which is now comprised of people who started playing after casual which only gets worse as less people stay for the long term.Fixing the issues with this game is as simply as addressing the bottom line which is casual being cancer for the game, it quite literally is the issue with the game currently and I couldn't give less of a shit about the cancer that is the workshop or maps being put into the game, better yet fucking QUICKPLAY FIXES THE MAP ISSUE by virtue of allowing players to put a vote up for a select map of choice or better yet everything is fixed by going back to quickplay because at its worst is still thousands of times better than casual will ever be at its best.
>>739781117>Guillotine, Wrap assassini do this with the critball exploit to double tap clueless snipersfeels good man
>>739811574What critball exploit?I want to doubletap clueless snipers too.
>>739809854you forgot the pyro afterburn dealing 60 fucking damage
>>739811631when you first switch to scout from the class selection menu, if you swing your melee and then fire a critical bauble, every subsequent bauble you fire will also be critical (as long as you swing your melee first)if you can time it so your critball and cleaver hit at around the same time the bleed kills light classes almost instantly. it's pretty funny
>>739777125It was the most fun if valve actually cared about the game it still would be.
>>739809118There are servers that run stat reverts.
>>739777125>join game on upward>it's pregame>engie and medic are congaing in front of red spawn>run up to them and press g to join in>the engie instantly stops dancing and calls a votekick on me>says "f1 cheater" and everyone presses f1 before I can register what's happening>removed from lobby>says "sorry champ" right before I get kickedwhat the fuck was his problem?
>>739812452Uhm sweaty, that was THEIR circlejerk, joining without invitation is cheating
>Every single game will have at least one tranny in it, often multiple (trans flag avatar, pronouns in name, trans name like Lilith)What the fuck happened to the TF2 community?
>>739812452you simply got trolled, and they wonned because you posted about it on a kongolese bushmeat discusdion boardbut seriously a LOT of people got conditioned into insta-F1 during the bot incursion. throw in "f1 cheater" and have 1-2 fags in a stack with you to drop some extra votes instantly and a lot of people just comply.
I wish I could play tf2 but there's no good servers to play during the weekdays.
>>739781117>axtinguisherWrong, it's the homewrecker.Neon Annihilator getting its effect added on top of its own effect is the most cringe shit ever, along with them ruining the degreaser.Fuck I hate Valve sometimes.
MVM high tour players are weird
>>739782620>use primary>enemy exits primary range>switch to secondary requiring direct hit for a crit>UGH BRO SO TRYHARDnigga shut up
It's the most fun you can have playing an app
>>739814129>homewreckerHow many marriages do you think Pyro destroyed?
>a huge sledgehammer >less damage Wtf
>>739807954I'd say 15 years ago but yeah.
>>739777581noob game then, noob game now, even if its better than ow or other class shooters
>>739807982Imagine how good it would be if you knew how to air strafe or use the detonator
>>739809854Scorch shot is worse than the flare gun, shotgun, and detonator>whining about sniperKunai doesn't need changes, the Dead Ringer is annoying but genuinely the worst invisiwatch.Crossbow is fun, the other medic primaries just need the same passive reload
>>739796470I was blaming Valve for kowtowing to compniggers (like Uncle Dane) + Overwatch hype, ruining TF2 in the process, you retard.
