THE FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ICE MAGIC
>yuri got btfo'd yet again last threadFeels good.
YES I am a /v/ deltachadYES I raped the doeYES I discuss the gameYES I hate KrisYES I love KrisYES I only think of Kris as either boy or girlYES I hate tranniesYES I hate faggotsYES I hate suselleYES I hate beanersYES I played OFFYES I played MoonYES I played Halloween HackYES I played the OG obscure Toby Fox hacksYES I played touhou 6YES I hate Toby FoxYES I love Tricky TonyYES I love ARGsYES I have HOPES and DREAMSYES I do not forgetYES I am with you in the darkYES I love SusieYES I believe Dess molested KrisYES I hate janniesYES I kill shipfags with hammersYES, I LIKE TALKING ABOUT THE GAME AND NOT OFF TOPIC BULLSHIT
ROBERT LOGGIA
Human Dess.>nooooooHuman. Dess.>b-but reddit says it's le bad!!Stop listening to Reddit.Human. Dess.
>>739773037There's also the whole thing with Asriel since that guy likes the biggest red flags possible
>>739783851Asriel is just a victim of doe rape, just like Kris
>>739781163Yes you are a israel puppet
>>739779268WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, man, I hate kids' birthday parties. This is gonna be worse than that time I was stuck behind Robert Loggia at the airport.
>>739782191>Human Dess.is retarded as a theory
>>739788362What about as a sexual thing?
>>739781298>>739787218i hate that this buttfuck retarded mix got stuck in my head
>>739789169https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FcVuETJos0post kino deltarune ytpmv
human dess with big stinky human feet
How much longer must I WAIT?
>tfw Kris starts throwing me around for raping the doe even though it was Chara who made me do it
>>739791727A few weeks of WAITing until news, hopefully. Stay determined and keep WAITing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDFY7Rtr2hY
>>739791727until the direct, god bless Noelle Holiday
>>739779268>>739781298
>>739792168Tenna would shat his pants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FcVuETJos0THE FORBIDDEN PATH BEGAN WITH ROBERT LOGGIA
>>739785258
>>739792361but dess and asriel interacted a lot confirmed with noelle's diag in chapter 2 and his stuff being in her room
>>739792361Literal and unironic reddit meme from your local redditor.
>>739792361>kralsei>fan favourite>kerdly>yuri>kriselle>yaoi>suselle>everyone wants to be endgamegood bait anon
>>739792361
How do you guys think the Festival is gonna go? Peak or will Toby flub it? Will Noelle just be a husk or will she be more genuine than we've ever seen her? Will Kris finally rope himself? These questions and more, to be answered, by the dog.
>>739792721Hopefully it's like Childhood's End
>>739792721I still believe Noelle is getting hollowed out into a standard JRPG sidekick. Maybe not all at once but it'll happen
>>739792361There is enough coal in this post alone to power all of africa for the next 10 generations, thanks again, roodit.
>>739792829Would be peak still if it ends in just being Skies Forever Blue.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njgcjGojRKk
So does no one ever mention the jewish symbolism here, is this game just about toby's self insert on how he's converting to judaism?
>>739792721Normal route:>Festival starts>Noelle's objective: Spend time with Susie>Susie is tone deaf to Noelle's crush on her, even more so now that Susie is pretty shaken up about the prophecy's ending>Susie will keep herself at arm's length of Noelle>This will make Noelle sad>Eventually Susie is arrested for messing up the Church>Or she sneaks out to break into Noelle's house and retrieve the code>Noelle is heartbroken>Noelle tries to salvage the Festival by spending time with KrisWeird route:>Festival starts>Noelle immediately sticks with Kris>Susie is basically just third-wheeling >Susie gets annoyed she can't make up for the time she could've spent with Noelle yesterday>Susie gets arrested or sneaks out>Susie maybe starts to get jealous of how Kris and Noelle are getting (She wants to spend time with Kris)>Rift between Kris and Susie accelerates in the Weird Route (In the Normal Route, the rift will eventually happen, but only later on)>Kris hates it because he wants to spend time with Susie and starts resenting us even more
>>739793012It's just stars.
>>739793012Nigga, that's a MOTHER reference.
https://deltarune.com/catpetterz/Revisiting this and I immediately draw a parallel between breeding two incompatible pets with what the player is doing with Noelle and Kris.Is the little red dot we're making (by pulling the strings and making them ring) the abomination egg?
>>739793209It's just Noelle’s blood.
>>739793209Noelle and Kris are childhood friends so I don't see them as "incompatible" per se. In fact, in the Weird Route it looks like Noelle is completely in love with Kris, and after those shenanigans in Chapter 4, she might be developing feelings for US. We know Noelle is a scaredy doe, but after the emotional turmoil of equipping the ThornRing I believe she wants to know who the heck are we, the player.
>>739793209oh great, not only did (You) rape the doe, but she's pregnant too. Will (You) take responsibility for your actions?
>>739793329>Noelle asks Kris if she's gonna get pregnant from yesterdayIMAGINE
>>739793320Monsters can breed with monsters, but what would a human and a monster create?
>the hero wields a sword>the hero that CAN use an axe>the hero that CAN use a scarfthat does it mean
>>739793402Hybrids.
>>739793402Ask the frick
>>739793402Gerson mentioned that families were torn apart by the war, didn't he?
>>739793402Nothing indicates monsters and humans are incompatible. If anything the incompatibility only refers to the fact they wouldn't really get together if it weren't for our curiosity starting the Weird Route, thus making Noelle fall in love with Kris.
>>739793427ralsei and susie don't have to use their weapons if they don't want tokris has no choice in the matter, the sword must be used whether kris wants to or not
>>739793427pic related
>>739793402for simplicity's sake just go by pokemon rules the species is determined by the mother and the child will inherit some soft traits from the father
>>739793525It's so interesting how Toby Fox made an allegorical equal of Apollo (Us) and Oedipus (Kris) for Deltarune.
>>739793427>>739793536susie and ralsei get to equip different different weapons at some point while kris solely using a sword. que girlkris truther coping and sneeding at this possibility
>>739793623but anon a key point of 2h kris is that kris does use a sword, which is the weapon of choice for the second hero
>>739793480I really hate super feminine femboy Frisk, just make her into a girl
>>739793736yes anon and if the only thing stopping susie from being the girl is that "she uses an axe not a sword" and she has the possibility to use something other than an axe that would imply that she could....
>>739793776You couldn't have known this was a femboy or a girl unless you looked up the whole comic lmao.Should've thought of frisk as a girl and let it be, instead you let horny take control but yea I hate femboy frisk too, frisk is a girl, simple as.
>>739793942why would susie ape kris' weapon
>>739793776but anon yuri is gaye
>>739793995oops, meant for >>739793929
>>739793536This is so fascinating, but I don't know what to make out of it. She's obviously not included here, but Noelle can equip the Black Shard as a reminder.Chapter 5 will be interesting.
>>739793320>she might be developing feelings for US.You had me until this.
>>739794008it's only gay if the nipples touch
>>739794159keyword might, don't take all I say as complete and utter truth. I'm not Toby
>>739794117something i find interesting about the two 'swords' noelle can equip is that both of them are describes as not being a sword the jingle blade is more like a lance and the black shard is a daggervery interesting
what if kris was BETRAYED and TRAPPED in the hyperbolic DELTATRUNE THREADS for 100000 tommorrows?
>>739788362It's retarded, but I see far more retarded ones here on a threadly basisOnly hard evidence against it is the shoes made for hooves in her room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqonXTAz0vg
Is it really farfetched to believe the Knight would look the same in the Light World as well? There's already freaky car benchpressing monsters in the town. A floating black warrior alien wouldn't be out of place.
>>739794438noelle states that 'magic isn't real' and the knight's form definitely seems to have some dark world magic fuckery about it i'm leaning towards ralsei's explanation of 'things becoming more indistinct and vague in the dark world' as the primary reason for the knight's appearance, it could be wearing something that makes it hard to make out
>>739794258I think it's weird that they'd make a point that Noelle can't wear shoes unless they're custom made and then has Dess's closet have a literal mountain of normal shoes. What gets me is that there's a comical ammount of them here to make it something you'd notice, rather than just like one pair. That being said, I think they could've just overlooked a line from two chapters ago where Noelle brings up shoes and designed the items in the closet without realizing she had said that.
>>739794159the player is yahweh. noelle is the bride."the baby is you" aka christ
>>739794581So you're saying... We're having a baby and the baby is you?
>>739794258>original evidence that spawned Human Dess theories is the Xbox Undertale dialogue from Sans implying Dess doesn't have antlers>if an extra human is present in Undertale's world then its story collapses, creating a paradoxical interpretation where this dialogue is now both non-canonical to the game it's in but canon to a different game
I wanna fold Noelle into a pretzel and mate press her until I fill her womb with my gunk and she's knocked up with my goner babies
>>739794553Did Dess find some kind of duplication glitch?
>>739794772
The roaring knight is... KRIS, but a clone of kris, wearing kris' reindeer headband, or in other words, the vessel.https://files.catbox.moe/6podlz.mp4
>>739795304
>>739791727It was already brought up a few threads ago, but the first anniversary of Chapters 3 & 4 (June 4th/5th) is my last cope date for any kind of news. After that, anything I'm expecting from Toberto is nothing less than the release date.
>>739795578>several music albums release>oh surely the newsletter is coming any minute now in tandem with this like always!>nothingI'm scared bros, they're not even shilling the new merch wave... Was it tempting fate to commit to a 2026 release date?
>>739795578i am certain there will either be an announcement on the 5th (which is both the 1 year anniversary and summer games fest) or if not then the supposed nintendo direct in the 2nd week of june if there's still no news by the third week of june, it's over
evil ash theory
what if susie is the knight
>>739794553Or they could just be shoes custom fit to hooves that still just look like sneakers
>>739795304EXCUSE ME SIR but we already have a character who is an evil clone of an existing character.
>>739791727>>739795578>>739795726>june 4th/5th as the 3+4 anniversary>game's fest>nintendo direct>UT anniversary (september 15th)>deltarune anniversary (october 30th)these are the five dates to keep an eye on.if not these, then we're just going to get another shadow drop
>>739779268
>>739795961>release date is announced on october 30th>Chapter 5 will be released December 25th[/spoiler}Worst case scenario but I can see it happening.
>>739796169
https://youtu.be/7f1RK1m7qvc?si=VORofquJFQK0Sv2J&t=196
>>739793427pixel Ralsei and Susie don't use their weapons in the game, so it wouldn't be accurate to simply say they use them
>>739793586Sorry Kris, but you WILL fuck your mom(biological)
>>739796372I would actually scream kino if Kris eventually out of his own free will marries his biological mom
>>739796372>>739793586>solves the riddle of the sphinx Oh no...
>>739796476I've been saying DELTARUNE is just ripping off Oedipus Rex and Twin Peaks and Mother 3 from day one
>>739794192even that's bad enough for me to discredit you.
>>739795845iirc her original title was 'dark knight' so she technically is
Kris Soul/Dess Knight is real
>>739795304=
>>739789169for me it was this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSHx1MQUNNA
>>739779268Shut the fuck off Toby, stop jacking off with your kike friends and finish the fucking game, it's almost been 10 years.
for me, it'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slzMldvMPkw
After the disappointing digital circus I have come to terms to having low expectations about reveals.All these mystery boxes tend to only have more boxes inside leading to a turd.
>>739797484maybe the real deltarune was the shitposts we made along the way
>>739797484That's good, but the trick is to have no expectations whatsoever. This is not the same thing as have low expectations. Expecting it to be shit just because you're too much of a pussy to let yourself get excited over something just makes you a doomfag.
>>739785258he doesnt seem like a tranny tho, i doubt it
>>739796236is that real?
>>739788362it's emblematic of dess theories as a whole, dess theories are all vibe theories and that includes dess knight. they're more based around *wanting* them to be true, and ignoring evidence to the contrary, rather than actually having a strong basis of evidence.
>>739797608it also makes you more likely to see the thing as worse than it is once it comes out.
>>739797632>they're more based around *wanting* them to be true, and ignoring evidence to the contrary, rather than actually having a strong basis of evidence.But enough about NoelleKnight
>>739797962sneed all you want, but there is no argument against the pianpian connection and both 'swords' noelle can use are a lance and the black shard
>>739797962all major knight theories suck ass, genuinely. boring at best, retarded at worst. y'all niggers are too afraid to think outside the box and get a fresh perspective.
>>739797947>Deltarune was Horrible! It didn't have Chara in it at all! It didn't have Rudy Knight! It only had an excellent twists and cool boss fights and an actually satisfying conclusion to the story!
>>739797962>no uDessKniggers truly can't argue for shit.
>>739798106the world just isn't ready for player knight yet.
I'm trying to make some save files ready for chapter 5For my neutral save file should I go for the Puppet Scarf or Dealmaker? It's nice having Ralsei be able to be good at attacking but the Dealmaker seems REALLY good
>>739797632This is why you need to find Dess theories that actually have a shitload of evidence and actually connect into other shit the plot's brought up.
>>739798253it doesn't matter, your choices don't matter.
>>739798106Pizzapants knight
OFFICIAL WEIRD ROUTE FINAL BOSS TIER LISTI KNEEL TIER>rouxls[Heaven] TIER>gaster>krisGREAT TIER>susie>ralseiGOOD TIER>noelle>the roaring knight>seam>ramb>asgoreMEH TIER>king + queen + tenna boss rush>schizo boss rush>FRIEND>ERAMTRICKY TONY TIER (not necessarily the worst, not necessarily the best)>lancer>sans>papyrus>berdly
>>739798253there is only one fight where ralsei is actually attacking in any meaningful way and that's against the titanif you plan on getting the black shard there's no reason to even not go with dealmaker, since kris will be about to easily out dps both susie and ralsei with it in that fight
>>739798253ralsei is likely getting his "canon weapon" in chapter 5. like how kris gets the black shard and susie gets the axe of justice.
>>739798289post literally one. every knight theory I've seen online pulls a fuckton of assumptions and opinions out of their asses, I'm not even gonna say it's a dess knight issue it's ALL knight theories. I have yet to see one that's actually tried to build itself off of raw data without trying to lead into a pre-selected desired answer.
>>739798353I feel like it has to be Kris.
>>739798106I feel like you'd get what you want if you replaced the word "theory" with "fanfiction". Genuinely, there oughta be more fanfics
>>739798453she seems like she'd be more of the undying undyne typethe final boss of the world itself but not the final boss of the game itself
>>739798474In a perfect world the more batshit theories would be turned into an AU fangames lore.
>>739798441I did that a month after chapter 3+4 came out but nobody liked it. fullass the response was "you're wrong because I don't like it". the conclusion was friend by the way
>>739798353My money's on Seam for post-darkworld chapter 5.Roulx was my original thought for chapter 7, but him dropping out of Chapter 4 knocked that down a bit.
>>739798651rouxls doesn't need to be as present because the character he represents (the knight) is actually in the plot now.
>>739798651Why do you guys think Rouxls Kaard will pull a sans out of his ass? He's clearly just a meme character
I feel as if every major plot twist has already been predicted, I cannot see how the remaining chapters could possibly truly surprise us anymore
>>739797632>dess theories are all vibe theories and that includes dess knight.lol
>>739779268I'm sure Toby intended for players to discover the weird route hereBut realistically, they would have figured something's up as soon as someone kills an enemy with ice shock
>>739798723Nobody will see the Kris romance path coming.
I will not do snowgrave/weird route stuff. I never did genocide in UT either.Everyone will have as good of an ending as possible, whether they like it or not.
>>739798694chekov's gun nigga. niggle me this: the prophecy states that the knight will "duel with heroes strife by strife" but literally the only character who has actually done this so far, and had a fight in every chapter, is rouxls kaard.
>>739798723>I feel as if every major plot twist has already been predictedTotally absurd, everything past "the next Dark World is Asgore's" is a black box
>>739781163>YES I hate trannies>YES I hate faggots>YES I LOVE ARGSMake up your mind anon
>>739798748>Dess is working with Carol and Kris to find... herself>Dess (Who has been missing for years) is just walking in broad daylight opening fountains without anyone saying anything
>>739798795screaming
>>739798749the weird route hint makes more sense considering the idea that the game was supposed to release as a full deal.but personally i think the "playground tier rumor" discovery of snowgrave has far more beneficial to the game.
>>739798748> dess is the only character that could be referencinghave you considered that it's an OFF reference? the battat minigame with friend in it is literally called "batter" in french.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/battât
>>739798880Why is Toby such a fucking hack
>>739798353>Kneel tier>Look inside>Rouxls fucking faggot carrd.[WRONG] Chaton is gonna have a revolutionary come back, he canonly has the highest atk and def in the whole game after the roaring titan/knight for a darkner. He was supposed to softlock your game but the only way you beat him was thru cheating using noelle.
>>739798826>Implying that this is Carol and Kris's Plan when they've never implied anything of the like
>>739798926>have to throw away the puppet scarf>if you dont spamton will use the roaring for his [comeback specil] as TITANTON
>>739798826If Carol and Kris were still just trying to "find" Dess, they wouldn't be running all over down LARPing an apocalypse prophecy, they would be searching the Shelter where she disappeared>just walking in broad daylight opening fountains without anyone saying anythingThis applies to every single Knight candidate. Nobody has been seen lurking around where the fountains have been made, and we have direct evidence of The Knight hiding nearby at each fountain they've made.The other candidates DO have jobs and other responsibilities or places they're expected to be, which limits their ability to actually be going around opening fountains. A missing person does not have this problem.>>739798880I'm gonna go ahead and say the character with a baseball bad and reindeer antlers is probably the established character with a baseball bat and reindeer antlers.
>>739798748>Ask a Dessknightfag what her motivation is>Get a paragraph of fanfiction supported with basically nothing but conjecture that completely changes depending on who you ask
>>739798353>>739798795How do you write this fruity fuck into a compelling adversary?
>>739799063>I asked different unrelated anonymous people a question and got different answers>Why can't they get their stories straight?
>>739798723What is Carol's plan, anon?Why does the Holiday Administration seek the roaring (Or why will they cause it while looking for what they seek)?We have no fucking clue what the plot is. We barely figured out the actors.
>>739789243https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTAaWc_ovZQ
>>739798826I think The Roaring Knight is a fucked up Darkner version of Dess in the same way the weird living armor was an attempt by Susie to bring back Gerson. I'm not saying I know this is fact or it's going to happen but it's more like "if I had to bet" this is what I would put my money on. I'd like to think this is a fucked up version of Dess as seen by Carol. Destructive, uncontrolable, etc. All of the worst aspect of a misbehaving daughter amped up by darkness.It's really equally probable it could be anyone. All we need is a bit more supporting evidence in one direction and anyone is pretty plausable.
>>739794772This is real dialogue from the SouljaGame X release of UndertaleLook up obj_goner_chad on google
>>739799025and the minigame called "batter" that has FRIEND in it using the knight's actual audio files? or are two of the most major antagonistic forces in the entire game just using a generic reusable asset, despite friend's laugh in chapter 3 being literally its only MANDATORY appearance. meaning it's the only feature of the character a casual player would know, and have to apply the laughs 2nd appearance later in chapter 4 with the knight
>>739799017>implying it's not fucking obviouscome the fuck on anon what fucking else would Kris promise to do? are you kidding me>>739799025>yeah she actually just is walking in broad daylight because she just is>They would be searching the shelter where she disappearedIf the Shelter is completely locked from the outside world with some arcane, weird ass codes to get in then they surely must have looked for her and come across a dark world. They likely know they can't "save" Dess anymore without going for extreme measures. But the real question is: If Carol's whole motivation and Kris's promise is to find Dess then why the FUCK is Dess just working with them???? >inb4 it's because her body is corrupted If she was corrupted she wouldn't be able to scheme and plot with Kris to the point the Knight seeing Kris cough was understood as a signal to wrap things up
>>739799120by putting him into a costume and not letting him talk.
>>739799063>ask for theory>get fanfiction that is not confirmed by the official gameyeah?
>>739799247I cannot accept the knight being the same guy who was trying to get some threesome action with the weather.
>>739799025I think they understand that Dess is gone, but not gone in a way that makes sense to them in their universe. Like imagine you saw someone slip into the backrooms one day and everyone around you is talking about this missing person and you can't tell people what really happened or you'd get locked up in a looney bin. I think the cause of Asgore's friction with Toriel is he trusted her and told her what he saw happen to Dess and she thought he was insane. I think his motivation is strongly based around proving he saw what he saw when Dess went missing. I think Dess is scattered across reality in the same way Gaster was and Asgore and Carol have an idea of what happened but don't really understand it and are trying their best to fix it.Again, not saying this is 100% the truth, but I just feel like the bread crumbs about their motivation lead me to something like this.
>>739799063antlerfags lean so hard on it as being an unwavering fact that couldn't possibly be anything else, that they miss how virtually nothing else in the narrative of chapters 1-4 actually support it, forcing them to make up fanfiction explanations. if a knight theory can't use multiple different types of proof (audio, visual, textual, etc.) it's SHIT. if you can't connect your knight identity theory into chapter 1, it is S H I T.
>>739798607I said Kris, not Susie. She is very undyne ish.
>>739799237>What would Kris promise to doDude wouldn't need to make a deal if the whole thing was just finding Dess. Dude would've done that without a Promise.
>>739799391The antlers are either there to implicate someone in the Holiday family or are just there to be a red herring. I feel like the latter is just kind of inherently unsatisfying as an outcome. It'd be like having Chapter 3 not be about a TV themed boss and the whole smiling TV stringer at the end of Chapter 2 was just a misdirect. I could happen, but it'd just be a bit of a let down to build that up for no reason.
>>739799314it makes more sense if you consider queen's connections to carol and toriel, and how that same concept can be applied to other darkners. darkners having parallels to lightners.for example, toriel is the one wearing the heart locket that the spamton sweepstakes references. spamton sweepstakes also had references to him being in a throuple, on top of him actually having a room in kris' house and having a relationship with tenna.anon. the knight was in a romantic threesome with toriel and asgore
>>739799528>Toriel realizes that she was not as truly into the idea of watching Rudy fuck Asgore as she'd thought she'd be once she sobers up>Her festering regret over her gay ass husbands builds and builds...>It takes root in the depths...
>>739799490the "antlers" aren't antlers at all. they're horns with twin ribbons tied to them. that's why they shift when the knight moves around and changes position; they're fabric.
>>739799191>I think The Roaring Knight is a fucked up Darkner version of DessIf that was the case then who is opening the Dark Fountains? If that were true then Asgore and Carol would have to carry the object around and leave it there on the floor when opening a dark fountain before quickly leaving the room so they're not taken to a dark world. Wait a minute...What if the Black Katana in Carol's bedroom IS Dess after some fucked up dark world shenanigans went down in the bunker? What if inside the closet at the end of Chapter 4 WAS the black katana?That solves the issue of >If Dess is the Knight, then bringing her Light World form back would be the objective they haveand>Dess is missing, she can't be opening fountainsBut if that were true then why does Queen say the Roaring Knight opened the dark fountain? Did she think Carol or Asgore carrying the black katana was the Knight?Or worse yet... How the fuck did an object carry Undyne all the way to the shelter?Now... there's one conclusion that I think solves all the issues, that being the Roaring Knight retaining the same form in the Light World hence why the Knight laughs mockingly when Susie says it can't beat the fun gang in the light world
>>739799063Yeah, because there's no clear motivation for any of the antagonists of the plot at this point. You could say the same of any Knightfag theorist.
>>739799615>Toriel decides to relieve her frustration with a toy, a vibrator>the vibrator inside her becomes more like a friend>that vibrator is SpamtonIt all makes sense.
>>739799623>Ralsei is the knightMy God. It all makes sense.
>>739799615no anon, it's even worse. toriel and asgore were fucking friend.
DessKnight is just the new KrisKnight. It's so lame and obvious that no self-respecting storyteller like Toby would actually go for it.
>>739799713Friend strikes me as the watcher type...
>>739799692ralsei is the darkner personification of the knight's childhood innocence. the knight created the manual as well as castletown.
>>739799742>Ugh TV-Head-Man as the Chapter 3 Boss is too obvious for Toby Fox's genius, he'll clearly be something else
>Chapter 3+4>Not Chapter 3&4>3+4 = 7, the amount of chapters confirmed by the chapter selection screenWhat did Toby mean by this
>>739799792The true final boss is the Knight, so yeah.
>>739799798It means that You bought the Whole Deltarune and will get the future updates for free.
>>739799792Don't worry, even if he does something predictable like that I think he'll make up for it with Toriels involment in that chapter.
>>739799237>They likely know they can't "save" Dess anymore without going for extreme measures. >But the real question is: If Carol's whole motivation and Kris's promise is to find Dess then why the FUCK is Dess just working with them????You're answering your own question. Carol WAS investigating the Shelter. She has a schizo corkboard in her room, and Alphys has seen her go to the Shelter with Undyne at least once before, recently.It is very likely that Carol went looking for Dess in the Shelter, found the Dark World, and found The Knight. She already "found" her, now she's trying to save her.How did Dess become The Knight? We don't know. How is fulfilling The Prophecy going to save her? We don't know. But that's what they're doing.I don't know how kidnapping Undyne and dragging her to the Shelter to be "sacrificed" is supposed to help save Dess, but it's definitely not something they'd be doing if the plan was just to "find her.">If she was corrupted she wouldn't be able to scheme and plot with Kris...why not? Says who?
>>739799787he likes to listen
>>739799391>Toby Fox gave his mysterious main antagonist this one stand-out distinguishing feature for... no reason>I am very smart
>>739799742>ObviousMaybe to the loreheads, but normies don't know who Dess is. When chapter 3+4 first dropped, me and my friend were discussing the possibility of Dessknight. Our non-lorehead friend was there and didn't even know who Dess was. You have to keep in mind that Toby isn't making a game for lore freaks, he's making an actual story. If there's any 'too obvious' pick, it would be Carol.
>>739799910the game already tells us what the corkboards are about, dessnigger. they're about MIKE. CAROL AND ASGORE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO MIKE IS. KRIS, UNLIKE THEM, KNOWS WHO MIKE IS.
>>739799910I think Kris knows more about what happened to Dess or may have been involved in whatever caused her to disapear. I think it's reasonable to think the reason they're working together is "you saw what happened to her" and Kris is working out of guilt and obligation to Carol. They probably feel bad. I don't think Kris anticipated what steps would needed to be taken to bring Dess back and is conflicted now that the plan is in motion. I still think being in the position of wanting to help a grieving mother find her daughter explains why Kris is kind of stuck helping Carol.
>>739799981see >>739799623 you're looking at a silhouette and assuming features that could be a number of different things.
>>739799742>DessKnight is just the new KrisKnightThis is the mentality of the midwit who thinks the things he hears about on the news just happen one day for no reason
Dess isn't some obscure lore figure like Gaster. There's are multiple scenes in chapters 2-4 where she's mentioned directly by name and Noelle talks about her, and you actually go to her room in chapter 4. She's referenced just as much, if not more, than Asriel in the same game.
>>739799910>>739800008We... don't know the actual contents of Carol's Corkboard, do we?
>>739800045Of course! Clover was The Knight all along! How could I have been so blind?
>>739799995dessknight is by far the most popular and in-your-face theory, dessfags want to say the theory is "niche" because you think it makes it more viable. but it's literally the #1 theory by a far margin. your retarded friend didn't know who dess was because he wasn't reading any of the fucking text.
The Knight is the third Dreemurr chiild who Dess thought she killed when they accidentally fell of a cliff, but actually they were saved by Dr. Gaster and raised in secret in a hidden manor on the opposite side of Hometown.
>>739800075I bet you guys also thought that Asgore was the main villain in Undertale. Toby never does things in a straightforward and obvious manner.
>>739799742The execution is more important than anything else. Toby could surprise people by making Onion the Knight, but that wouldn't make it good just because it was unexpected.
>>739799910>How is fulfilling The Prophecy going to save her? We don't know.Now, I know it might seem like I'm nitpicking on your argument but I want to talk about this. They are not knowingly fulfilling the prophecy, Carol did not see the prophecy and say: "Well I must fulfill it to bring my daughter back!". This is a very common misunderstanding in stories that have self-containing prophecies. I've mentioned to DEATH Oedipus Rex in these threads but I do so because the prophecy in that play works much like the prophecy in Deltarune.A common misread of Oedipus Rex is that the gods forced Oedipus to kill his father and marry his mother, but everything Oedipus does is by his OWN free will. Similarly, Carol's crew is not doing these things to "fulfill" the prophecy, she's doing it out of her own volition and free will because she (apparently) wants to bring her long lost daughter back. And it's important to make this distinction because you using this argument of "Oh they're pro-prophecy or whatever they want to fulfill the prophecy" is such a huge misread on what it means, despite it being common, and I see it everywhere, so it really just ticks me off when I see it, and it's especially jarring when you use it as "evidence" for DessKnight. >I don't know how kidnapping Undyne and dragging her to the Shelter to be "sacrificed" is supposed to help save Dess, but it's definitely not something they'd be doing if the plan was just to "find her."Carol (or whoever was on the phone) mentions a "sacrifice", probably sacrificing Undyne, and they probably wanted to sacrifice Toriel too considering the Knight wanted to kidnap her too. If that is true, then whatever Kris promised was promised so hard he's willing to fucking sacrifice his own mother to keep that promise, that's messed up.
>>739800115we don't, but kris does. kris sees a copy of dragon blazers with catti and catty's names written on it, and it becomes schizophrenic nonsense about people using corkboards to try to figure out some person named mike. do the math.
>>739799191>>739799624i had a theory from yesterday about this.tl;dr:>knight is darkner dess>carol attempted to make her in the same way gerson was made, but something along the line fucked up.>she used dess's baseball bat (important to dess, but not present in her room), which most likely imparted violent memories.>additionally, if carol made the shelter dark world her own views probably screwed it up, unless it was pre-existing then that is its own problem that'd lead to a fucked up lightner recreation.>the conspiracy is to subdue "dess" and swap out the bat for the guitar in hopes that it fixes herand then, for the fact that "dess" persists in the light world...>shadow crystals,>if this the obvious hook here is to be believed, shadow crystals are determination manifest.>we know that determination on its own is capable of bringing objects to life (flowey, the whole premise of how dark worlds work.)>a desperate carol trying to bring back her daughter would likely manifest a lot of shadow crystals.>shadow crystals and black shards are presumably the same thing, one's just more compressed and solid>in other words, "dess"s body is a giant determination battery that can keep a darkner alive in the light world, at least for a little while
>>739800190>The execution is more important than anything else. you say this, yet I haven't seen a single dess knight theory that doesn't devolve the ENTIRE PLOT into a godawful holiday family drama hour.
>>739800243Holy shit that's actually great and it covers all the plot holes the other theories have, what the fuarkgood job anon
>>739800243>I had a theory from yesterday about this>mountains of headcanon with no supporting evidence.
>>739800318yes anon there must be a few leaps of faith in order to theorize
>>739800030Yes, it's pretty clear that Kris feels some personal responsibility (justified or not) for whatever happened to Dess, and Carol is coercing Kris by exploiting that (and likely Kris's general sympathy toward their shared ideal of "wanting things to go back to how they used to be").Kris definitely doesn't actually like Carol as a person, and I would even say there's a good chance that they might be subverting Carol's plan (by getting Undyne to interfere with the plan to kidnap Toriel, for example) and have their own endgame in mind.
>>739798353Got an interesting idea for a Knight Rematch >Chapter 5-7>First time you're supposed to actually beat the knight in earnest>Fight is generally easier than the first (or is as technically difficult, but mitigated via increased stats)>Except if you've defeated the Knight In Chapter 3>In which case the knight's difficulty skyrockets>And it's still a mandatory victory
>>739800368"a few leaps of faith" doesn't mean jumping off of a bridge. nobody fucking cross-references anymore, they just try to write the damn story and call it a theory. I'll support the theory if you can actually provide in-game events and dialogue to support things like >she used dess's baseball bat (important to dess, but not present in her room), which most likely imparted violent memories.>the conspiracy is to subdue "dess" and swap out the bat for the guitar in hopes that it fixes her>shadow crystals and black shards are presumably the same thing, one's just more compressed and solid>in other words, "dess"s body is a giant determination battery that can keep a darkner alive in the light world, at least for a little while
>>739800318is your idea of a theory "ralsei said that he uses scarfs, so my theory is that he uses scarfs"?
>>739800379>Kris>Has the soul but has a different agenda from ours (Most player's agenda is prevent the roaring, finish the game)>Is actually working with the Knight Crew (Carol, Knight, Asgore(?)) >But also maybe has an agenda of his own? (Maybe getting Undyne to show up wasn't part of the original plan and Kris fucked things up on purpose because his mom's life was on the line)What the fuck is this kid's agenda everything he does makes no sense
>>739800487>having evidence to back up statements is... le bad!nice strawman retardmy idea of evidence is "I think X could be Y because *actual dialogue/scenes from the game*". 10 pages of fanfiction isn't evidence nor is it a theory.
>>739800542Something to do with the man behind the tree and their past trauma.
>>739800542>Has the Soul (Trying to keep it in line with the Holiday Administration plot/Minimize its damage)>Working with the Holiday Administration>Maybe has his own Agenda (Probably developing feelings/friendships for the people he's not supposed to actually get feelings for)
>>739800486>which most likely imparted violent memoriessupported by Kris's head hurting just from looking at Dess's hockey sticks, if she used to beat Kris with a hockey stick when he misbehaved I can see her doing the same with a bat. >swap out the bat for the guitarCarol has a pretty visceral reaction to Susie having the guitar, yes you could say someone holding their missing daughter's guitar with a secret code you don't want anyone to see would invoke such a reaction but why is the code in there in the first place? Perhaps because they would have to take the guitar to the shelter and have it hand when they finally subdue the knight?>shadow crystals and black shardsBoth are quite literally the same sprite >both are described as "glass" in flavor text>"dess"s bodyOk, then how the hell did someone subdue Undyne and take her down all the way to the shelter? The only one able to do that is AsgoreI'm NTA who posted the original post about this theory he had but I do think it makes sense.
>>739800243>Crystalized Determination.Hmm. I have a feeling that a being, such as a Monster or a Darkner that is not used to determination, when bound to an object with an endless source of determination, might end up "Sweating" Shadow Crystals/Black Shards.Of course, such an object would likely be hard to acquire, wouldn't it?
>>739800837>developing feelings/friendships for the people he's not supposed to actually get feelings forBest explanation hands down, I'm convinced Kris didn't want to like Susie, but he does now, but he seems pretty relaxed for someone who'll eventually betray her.It's no secret that Kris is fond of Susie, she's the only one he doesn't have a negative reaction when choosing to take to the Festival at the end of Chapter 2, and the diner scene in Chapter 4 only reveals more of his fondness, he takes her to the diner and doodles stuff in the glass with her, something he only did with Asriel
>>739800486>she used dess's baseball bat (important to dess, but not present in her room), which most likely imparted violent memories.dess's bat is literally not in her room. its not present.and we know that the "memories" bound to an object used forms the darkner.suppose you have cube A and cube BA was used as a king placeholder in games of chess. B was used as a building block.cube A as a darkner would believe itself to be a king, while cube B would be a building block darkner.same is true for dess's bat and guitar.if her bat is used for a darkner, it will create a more violent one because those are the associated memories.if her guitar is used, it will create a calmer darkner.carol tried creating a darkner like gerson, but got the gerson statue instead because everything was too far off course, and then the baseball bat made it worse>the conspiracy is to subdue "dess" and swap out the bat for the guitar in hopes that it fixes herlogic gap, yes. but this could be removed and it'd still keep the theory intact. this is just a most likely motivation for the conspiracy assuming the rest of it is true.but this also explains why the guitar is of such importance, with the code being in it as a "nobody will check here">shadow crystals and black shards are presumably the same thing, one's just more compressed and solidyou get both black shard and shadow crystal from beating the knight despite only a chip being taken.it is simply the most plausible explanation.>in other words, "dess"s body is a giant determination battery that can keep a darkner alive in the light world, at least for a little whilefollowing this >>739800243 image, what the fuck else could that "power of will" even be? its all but confirmed to just be determination outright>>739800621at that point there's a fine line between theory and "it hasnt been explicitly said but there's so much evidence for it that it might as well be true", like monsters dusting on death.
>actual good discussion and no shitty baitingfeels good
>>739800621for example, because apparently that's required. queen's dialogue about creating a new knight can be compared to spamton's weird route dialogue about not being needed anymore, particularly because "making" is an action that has so far been explicitly tied to the knight and the knight only.>* Reaching Its Long Hand To The Sky>* It Coursed Its Will Into Its Blade>* And Made>* Thrusting The Fountain From The Earth>* ......>* This Power Of Determination...>* Is This Not Something That All Lightners Possess...?>* If One Was Simply>* Determined Enough>* Could Not Anyone Make A Dark Fountain?>* So Then>* If The Knight Has Taken Its Leave>* Then I Will Simply...>* Make A New One> NO, I GET IT! IT'S YOU AND THAT [Hochi Mama]!> YOU'VE BEEN [Making], HAVEN'T YOU!> YOU'VE BEEN MAKING [Hyperlink Blocked]!> AND NOW THAT YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SUPPLY, YOU DON'T NEED ME!!!this can be used as the basis for a theory about queen's representation of carol and spamton as a representation of the knight, the latter having been supplanted with the intent of creating new knights, leading into a motive of betrayal-fueled revenge.
>>739801065I thought the black shard was like darkness mixed with determination
>>739800926>The only one able to do that is Asgoreyou niggas find answers to your own questions. alvin even says asgore always goes to the church at night.
>>739801065that actually makes so much damn sense I'm on board with it
>>739801182Ok, then when did Kris plan for Asgore to come snatch Undyne up? Asgore is fucking huge there's no way he could've hidden outside of the house without Undyne noticing
Has Tony ever actually been Tricky with long waiting red herrings and subversion of expectation? Best I can think is end of chapter 1 pie knife, which when played as not-a-demo is a gag with immediate payoff. Asgore being Toriel 2 instead of the heartless beast she described him as at the start maybe?
>>739793995>But... there is one thing that can overwrite the dark.>A white pen, known as hope.>Miss! I believe...this is what you hold.>Me? Nah, Kris has the pen.>My weapon's like a hairbrush or something.>Geh-hahahahaha!>Is that so?>Is that SO???
>>739800207>you using this argument of "Oh they're pro-prophecy or whatever they want to fulfill the prophecy"That's not quite what I'm saying, I don't think Carol is some religious fanatic and I would be very surprised if that turned out to be the case. Stuff like "police sacrifice" is so baffling because this ISN'T actually some apocalypse cult.At the same time I can't agree with the idea that they're "not knowingly" following The Prophecy. There's no way that they're ignorant of it, and the whole affair of making fountains is at least somewhat premeditated. I can't imagine what serendipitous rational motivation there was for The Knight to arrange the abandoned classroom to put King in power.I don't know how Carol arrived at this conclusion, but it seems to me that she believes acting out The Prophecy is somehow a means to the end of saving Dess.This is highly speculative, but my expectation is that The Roaring (with some necessary preparations, which is why they haven't just let it rip yet) is more than the destructive apocalypse its been advertised to be, and will actually put the world in some kind of in-between state (Light and Dark, "reality and dream") which can (and WILL, according to The Prophecy) somehow be restored to its original state, including restoring Dess from The Knight.
>>739801306inside/behind the van that had the slashed tires
>>739801182>>739801549asgore knight is the least likely case because asgore is explicitly trying to prove that all the dark world shenanigans and conspiracy are a thing.if he knew how to open a fountain he could've just opened one himself and brought people into it to prove it.
>>739801403>I can't agree with the idea that they're "not knowingly" following The ProphecyBut then that would completely and entirely break the point of determination and free will existing in the game, the prophecy isn't forcing anyone hand's they're just foretelling what their own free will is bound to do.For example:Jesus' prophecy at the Last Supper that Peter would deny him three times. Jesus knows that Peter will do this, but readers would in no way suggest that Peter was a puppet of fate being forced to deny Christ. Free will and predestination are by no means mutually exclusive, and such is the case with Carol's Crew.Therefore, I see it as such that she DOES know about the prophecy, but she doesn't know she's FULFILLING the prophecy (By her own free will and volition to bring Dess back)
>>739794553This is probably the only solid evidence to human Dess but even it's still flawedLike you said, it's a comical amount of shoesThere's also a comical amount of baseballs and heart shaped objectsIf toby wanted to tease human Dess he would have put 1 or pairs of shoesThe fact that this is a hoarder amount of stuff means something else could be going on
>>739801395anon she very clearly states that she thinks pens (and pencils) are kris' weapongerson laughs because she took it literally instead of metaphorically
>>739801581> asgore is the least likely case because *headcanon*
>>739794553They're azzy's track shoes that she keeps stealing to huff
>>739801581asgore>has something to prove>is working with carol, the queen parallel>literally has the black shard>is confirmed to visit the church at night>the closet in the church "that can hold a large person" that kris refuses to openat MINIMUM, asgore is working alongside the knight. to say otherwise is just ignoring evidence because you dislike it.
>>739801773Asgore's financial problems originally stem from credit card debt built up from buying Asriel replacement sneakers.
>>739801697WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN HEADCANON?!THE WHOLE POINT OF THAT SCENE WAS>hehe finally, i have proof of dark worlds! now i can show toriel that im not insane!HE COULD'VE JUST MADE TV WORLD HIMSELF IF HE WAS WORKING WITH THE CONSPIRACY GANG.
>>739802001Sorry anon, if Toby Fox didn't look into the camera and tell me exactly what's going on it's headcanonKris doesn't like being controlled? Did Kris tell you that? Headcanon.Dess is missing? Says who? You just don't know where she is. Headcanon.
>>739798787>wants to give everyone the good ending>doesn't want to give Kris and Noelle their best endings
>>739802001literally NOTHING says that asgore is trying to prove dark worlds exist, that is entirely 100% headcanon. stop confusing that shit for fact, or your theories will get fucked up. even the picture posted >>739802097if you want to connect those dota, implies asgore is trying to figure out mike, not dark worlds.
>implies asgore is trying to figure out mike,
>>739802147Comes at the cost of Berdly, not happening.
>>739802226anon the picture you posted is literally of the mike room with the cork board in it, an entire room dedicated to "who is mike". you're ignoring clues to fulfill your preferred headcanon.
>>739802302by your own logic that means carol is trying to figure out who mike is too >>739799025unless you're REALLY trying to drag "friend is mike" back up from the depths of hell, this might not be the best direction to take.
>he actually believes I'm going to pretend "Asgore is trying to find Mike" is a serious argument made in good faith>he thinks he's getting a [You] out of this shit
>>739802402>I think asgore is trying to figure out who mike is because there is a huge corkboard in the mike room, where the characters are trying to figure out who mike is, and asgore has a big corkboard in his basementvs>I think asgore is trying to prove dark worlds because ???sorry nigger, you're confusing headcanon for fact again.
>asgore has flowers in his shop>there are flowers in the graveyardASGORE IS DEAD CONFIRMED?!?!?!
Everyone wants to talk about the friend or mike but no one ever brings up what this thing is, which literally is friend's counterpart since it's jevil's colorscheme and spamton neo's wing. Why are you all so fucking retarded
>>739802639that's the fisterit fists
>>739802639that's Knuckles
>>739802639Everyone's too fixated on the 4 willies
>>739802639It's serpentine hands
>>739802639That’s Handy McHandjob brother of W.D. Gaster
>>739802527Strawmans aren't an argument. Provide actual examples from the game to show asgore is trying to prove dark worlds exist.Protip: undyne already knows, she visits the bunker with carol.
>>739802639it's Echidna
>>739802872>>739802827>>739802726>>739802721>>739802686Wat da fuq deltabros
>>739802873>carol as in christmas carolCAROL CONFIRMED TO BE A PRO SINGER INSTEAD OF MAYOR?!?!?!>"no" "el"leNOELLE CONFIRMED TO TAKE NO L'S?!???!?!?>kris(mas)>KRIS IS THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST CONFIRMED!!!?!?!?!
>>739802989Holy shit retard just admit you don't have an argument, you don't need to get this tilted on a basket weaving forum.
>>739802639>>739802937If you don't know, there's a real esoteric schizo theory that this is foreshadowing a character even more hidden than "FRIEND" or Gaster that's been dubbed "Echidna," the "Mother of Monsters"https://x.com/qnnbean/status/2038370331589537907
>>739803178your are not worth engaging with seriously.for example>Protip: undyne already knows, she visits the bunker with carol.when she entered the dark world she was already confused as fuck.ontop of that, can you post the line that confirms undyne goes down to the bunker with carol? i dont remember it.i should not need to explain why "asgore is trying to find mike" is retarded unless you're arguing for FRIEND mike (which will require a whole lot more proof)
>>739803371I saw a HalfBreadChaos video on Echidna all the way back in Chapter 1. I always felt it was significant but everyone glossed over it once LE EPIC FRIEND appeared
>>739803371Wtf anon, mythical pull, I actually believe this, it makes sense. Do you have any more unknown esoteric theories?
>>739803371I have a game theory that eram is the lost girl, i.e. the fiery magician, and the final boss of the game
>>739800542>Maybe getting Undyne to show up wasn't part of the original plan and Kris fucked things up on purpose because his mom's life was on the lineBut why was the knight after Toriel in the first place?What could she have that can't be gotten from Asgore, Noelle or the priest?Further more I don't think the knight was actually trying to capture Toriel, considering how slow the knight was on bringing Toriel to her and how fast the knight became when Undyne showed upToriel was just bait for the Fun gang and to lure Undyne to the knight
>>739803553Not him but in the unused UT mural with the angel on it, the deltarune above its head is actually upside down.If you rotate the picture and orient the DR properly, you come to find that the "wings" of the symbol aren't wings. They're actually... serpents.>* O, the shadow will grow, serpentine!>* Even when the clock ran back, the shadow was growing!>* A patch of shadow, slithering on, slithering on, serpentine!
>>739801040I don't think Kris will betray SusieKris knows what the prophecy is and what happens to the girlMost likely Carol wanted Susie to fulfill the role of the girl as a sacrifice and Kris has some plan to have Carol become the sacrifice insteadThough I do wonder when and how did Kris start to like Susie?He was fond of her even before chapter 1 starts
>>739803827Oh my fucking gosh how do you people keep misinterpreting the prophecy, theyre just foretelling what their free will will bound them to do. Kris isn’t gonna do x or y because the prophecy said so he’s gonna do x or y because his own free will wants it.I thought you guys would have better reading skills than this
>>739803827Fuck all this melodramatic noise, here's what I think happened> kris made a deal with the devil to be a big shot> "okay but when we're done I get a soul"> devil sets up deltarune as a game for kris to play, the knight is a fake antagonist> kris gets to be the hero who saves the world, a real big shot.> susie was planned to be the sacrifice, the devil gets her soul> kris is now having doubts about the plan and wants to save her
>>739803407The guy you're replying to is a baiting retard, but>* But, I will say, I've only ever seen a couple people head over there.>* ... Undyne... and the mayor.Alphys has seen Undyne and the mayor go to the Shelter, though not necessarily at the same time. But, it doesn't really make sense for Undyne or anyone to go there alone, since you're supposed to need three codes to open it.There's also Napstablook:>* the shelter...? right... undyne had been in charge of something about that>* an important code or some thing... it was the only thing that ever made her nervousIt's plausible that Undyne was aware of the Dark World in some capacity, at least the one in the Shelter. But she obviously wasn't in on Carol's conspiracy.
>>739803931>baiting retard because you disagreeStill fucking waiting for a single shred of evidence that asgore's intent is dark world disclosure.
>>739803371This reality makes the game into an actual horror story, because I always felt like no matter how fucked up things got, some chilled out gaster was watching us [Kris and out friends] from the void and empowering us. But If this is not his simulation/world and if he's a victim to something more higher and more divine, it sounds like an actual nightmare awaits. The stakes would never have been so high
>>739804119Gaster saw the face of god, and he wept. For as such a thing was unfathomably beautiful, one should weep forever.
>>739803649Susie's idea is kind of on the right track. It would make sense for Carol to want to kidnap the other people who know the Shelter codes to prevent anyone else from getting in and interfering with whatever they're doing there.That would explain kidnapping Undyne (using Toriel as bait), possibly kidnapping Alvin in Chapter 4, and a future conflict with Asgore in Chapter 5 when he goes rogue.But, it doesn't explain the "police sacrifice" thing. And it also seemed like The Knight WAS going to take Toriel if Undyne didn't show up in time, though it's also possible that Toriel does know a code.
Why does Kris hate me? All I want to do is protect him and make sure he is happy
>>739803779What the fuck does Jockinton grows the beard mean?
>>739804378Pretty sure it was just a meme prophecy, like toothpaste boy
>>739803917Are you retardedYou just agreed to what I said Kris will doThe prophecy states that something happens to [the girl]Carol wants Susie to be [the girl]Kris is going to make Carol [the girl] insteadIt's a mixture of predestination and free-will by interpretation
>>739804180i can only assume that we only hear part of what carol was saying over the phone in ch4it she could've said something along the lines of 'sacrifices must be made' or some shit, not an actual ritual sacrifice but we only hear part of it due to the choppy connection/ distance
>>739804378>* For her, I go the big Church Match, as her Substitute Player.>* For me, she Covered in Hair Always. We Do What, the other can n't!This is foreshadowing the post-Roaring world, where Light and Dark, dream and reality have mixed, making the impossible possible.>* Come five o'clock, the shadow will grow.>* ... So sayeth our ancestors.>* Before the clock strikes midnight, the shadow will grow!>* O, the shadow will grow, serpentine!>* Even when the clock ran back, the shadow was growing!>* A patch of shadow, slithering on, slithering on, serpentine!>* ... So sayeth our ancestors.>When the light is running low>And the shadows start to grow>And the places that you know>Seem like fantasyJockington grows the beard.The truth is written in glass.
>>739804180>the knight slowly drags Toriel towards themVs>the knight blitzing Undyne and getting the fuck out as fast as possibleThe Knight was not interested in Toriel
>>739804467Read this and you’ll understand https://eclass.uoa.gr/modules/document/file.php/PHIL927/DODDS%20On%20misunderstanding%20the%20Oedipus%20Rex.pdf
>>739803931right, thank you.so she could know about dark worlds, but given that carol was willing to completely pivot to police sacrifice i also doubt that she had any clue about the conspiracy.she also might just think that the weirdness of dark worlds is just a bunker thing.>DAMN this place is weird, im getting the hell out of here!only for her to realize that things are horribly wrong when the dreemurr house is the same shit
>>739804580The Knight didn't WANT to take Toriel. They were sympathetic to Kris's scheme, willing to take Undyne and offer her to Carol as a replacement.But they were told to take Toriel, and that's what they would have done if Undyne didn't show up.When they stop fucking around and one-shot Susie and Ralsei, they force Kris to kneel in submission. That's the order to stop resisting and stand down, because The Knight doesn't want to hurt Kris and they both know Kris has no chance of beating them alone.When The Knight does the tractor beam shit to Toriel the first time, maybe that could just be baiting the heroes into a fight. But when the heroes are defeated, they go right back to Toriel, not waiting for Undyne to show up. They were going to take her.Why do the hand shit instead of just grabbing her? They don't want her to wake up, like everyone repeatedly emphasizes in Chapter 3. Why? Maybe something bad would happen, maybe they somehow know she'd be powerful, but the simplest answer to me is that if she was awake she would resist, and they don't want to have to hurt her.
I'm suprised that there are no DR leaks (almost) when an entire movie got leakedI guess Tony knows how to pick people
>>739804934i think toby keeps his cards very close to his chesthe likely also made it very clear that he is able and willing to sue the fuck out of anyone on the team if they leak even a single line of dialogue that he hasn't approved ofi'm not sure what happened to the guys who leaked the ch3&4 ost a few hours early, but i assume they got a very stern talking to at the very least even though it was relatively 'minor' due to how close it was to the release
>>739804119Gaster has never been the one in control. He's also fighting the prophecy with us.
>>739804934Nobody is touching Toby's baby who isn't a professional that he trusts>>739805093The soundtrack leaks were a consequence of the game's soundtrack being distributed to other websites in preparation for release, it's pretty hard to avoid
>>739804684What the fuck does Oedipus Rex have to do with my post?
>>739804858There's no reason to believe that Toriel would able to resist more than UndyneEven if you give Toriel her Undertale strength she is still weaker than Undyne
>>739805319"and they don't want to have to hurt her"
>>739805429Who are you quoting and what does that picture have to do with Toriel being stronger than Undyne?
>>739804934I hope it remains that way. As an aside, I find it abhorrent how the TADC fanbase was attacking/mocking the creator for a leak she had no responsibility in.
>>739805607It's worse, they're attacking goose for not sending death threats to the leakers
>>739805727That's pretty funny in a fucked up way.
>>739805607>she Fuck off back to your cave fucking tourist scum
>>739779268This route was supposed to be a dead end until the community bullied Toby in to extending it
>>739805607>>739805727all this tells me is that the latinx have an innate desire to be raped
>>739805934Calm down nigger, I had no clue the creator was a tranny.
>>739806145Fair enough
>>739779268>the forbidden path began with ice magici can sorta understand. but dont ever put ice cubes up your ass, it actually sucks
>>739806361Story time. How the fuck did ice cubes ended up anywhere near your ass?
>>739806481he was probably at an airport waiting in line behind robert loggia
>>739806481>he doesn't cool down his body via internal thermal colon conductionLmao at this icelet
>>739806481>lil bro doesn't know that the ass ice cube method got patched
>>739806481its not really any crazy story, its not like i was doing cartwheels under some icicles and one fell down at the perfect time, i just shoved an ice cube up there one day. and, well, its cold. and all the edges are actually really sharp feeling since your butthole is really soft and sensitive. then you just drip cold water like a broken mr.coffee. thats it.
>>739805607>the TADC fanbase was attacking/mocking the creator for a leak xhe had no responsibility in.correction, its because the ending was ass.like ATROCIOUSLY ass.a mostly 1:1 ending for deltarune would be susie committing suicide, and immediately after that everyone's problems are solved including dess coming back from the dead with a cutscene where she goes from a pile of dust to a living monster.then kris and noelle get to go on dark world adventures together for the rest of their lives.
my faggot neighbors have annoying floodlights that beam LIGHT into my room at 2AM o clock (right now). I fucking hate themalso asgore dies in weird route
>>739806002I'm kinda interested in how you came to that conclusion because Kris and Noelle torn relationship was made clear even in ch2, and also would have prevented people thinking about firegrave lmao
>>739804934This is the benefit of not making a translation for Brazillians
>>739807013pull down your blinds, retard
>>739807013Put a mirror in you windowIt's only probably illegal to intentionally blind a driver with their own lights
>>739807013>Trapped in asylum is actually a reference in how Asgore will be BETRAYED and TRAPPED in a ice cubeKINO
holy shit an actually tolerable thread?
I think the Knight is Carol.
i think the knight isn't. its simply a nightmare.
>>739810294duh everyone is asleep
>>739811179Knightmare...
I envy the man who will get to play the complete version of Deltarune without any prior knowledge.At least I got to play Undertale when it was brand new. I can't even remember who insisted that I "play Undertale right now", I just remember them almost demanding me to play it.
>Copies are monochrome but you colored us in with care
>>739811665blind CH1-7 DR is going to be a a completely separate experience>none of the [WAIT]ing>none of the insane theorycrafting>no wondering what the fuck X meant by Y for 2-3 years>snowgrave's discovery will be driven by CH3 rather than the playground-rumor tier shit that went on with 2's release>no spamton sweepstakes>seeing dess's bedroom door nets a completely separate reaction.>endgame is going to be a fucking trip with FRIEND, gaster, and dess all becoming important out of nowhere combined with the fever dream nonsense.im envious too purely from a "i want to know how different it'll be" standpoint.but given the choice of trading all the [WAIT]ing for being able to experience the whole game for the first time in one go, i dont think i would.the [WAIT] is definitely going to become a 'you had to be there' thing. how could you even begin to explain some of our bullshit to a CH7 newcomer?
>>739804934Toby pays top dollar to maintain good opsec, he also only picks people that qualify for his inner circle. Would you risk a well paying low stress secure job just to leak a couple of screenshots? The only way we get any leaks if some outside entity fucks up like how nintendo leaked track names for ch3 and 4
>>739812473I appreciate what you're getting at with how theorycrafting is fun, and it's not the [WAIT] that bothers me, the problem for me is, that I'm a fucking moron when it comes to hints and suggestions in stories.Really, only within the past five years have I started to pick up of various pieces of media hinting at an eventual reveal. I am truly dense.Dess being the Knight might be the most milquetoast and basic theory/situation, but if I had never looked at any Deltarune threads or videos, memes, what have you, I would be blown the fuck away by that reveal.
>>739793942I already saw that artist before, so I knew that Frisk is a dude. Plus it's implied in the picture that those are their kids. But yeah, girl Frisk supremacy here.
>>739795304And that clone has Dess's soul in it, of course.
>>739798253There's literally no point to a violent neutral in this game, you're cucking yourself.
Evil lesbians.
>>739798723People thought the same thing after 2. Trust Tricky Tony
What's her favorite pokemon game and why is it Sun & Moon?
>>739799623Asriel Knight...
>>739815306>What's her favorite pokemon game It is sun and moon.>why is it Sun & Moon?The girls are sexy.
>>739815306actually it's Hey You, Pikachu!
>>739800243You just replaced Kris’s soul with shadow crystal, but this isn't that bad of a theory.
>>739803371We're not gonna talk about Echidna, we are not gonna talk about Echidna
December had been planning to run away from Hometown with Noelle I think that may actually be the reason Kris killed her
She would be into the mystery dungeon games, or emerald
>>739779268The ending of this game is gonna be such dogshit.
>>739815684>>739815306
>>739801318No. It's literally just Chapter 1's ending that created this persona, otherwise he's extremely straightforward.
>>739803371Finally some proper nonsense. Deltaschizos... I'm thinking we're back.
>>739802639Isn't that just the poster in Susie’s room? It's probably not that important, but it is FRIEND'S counterpart in Chapter Rewriten
>>739803371Echidna is just a reference to greek mythology to serve as the basis for encounters. It's nothing relevant, it's just part of game making process.
>>739793402>Undertale It would create a terrible beast. The resilience and determination of humans mixed with the magic of monsters. Truly a new master race>DeltaruneJust a mutt. Monsters in delta seem to be on equal footing power wise with humans so there's nothing special there
>>739815306I think she's the type of kid to be shiny hunting and breeding a shit ton of useless Pokémon in Emerald, even if Emerald is old gen at this point, and maybe grind the Battle FrontierKris would be injecting hacked pokemon with perfect IVs and EVs and scaming kids on the playground for their lunch moneyBerdly would be VERY performative about preferring the spinoff games but he does actually really like the Mystery Dungeon SeriesSusie would struggle to beat the Elite 4 and never play post game.
DESS RAPED KRIS
>>739816254Asriel knew and did nothing about it
>>739804317Kris is an extremely disloyal human, that's why.
>>739816302>Asriel was raped by Dess>Asgore knew and did nothing about it>Asgore was raped by Dess>Toriel knew and divorced Asgore>Toriel was not raped by DessThere's a lesson to be learned here
>>739816403>Chara>obedient
>>739816403She will be fixed.
>>739816680Chara never did anything the Player never wanted them to. If you just want to be nics and pacifist Chara never steps in and forces violence. When you grind for EXP Chara makes themselves more present, but you're choosing to engage in what Chara loves most on your own will
>>739805319Toriel is Asgore tier in Undertale, which is far stronger than Undyne.
>>739810294>humanfags wake up>thread instantly goes to shitAh. Well, it was nice while it lasted.
>>739816142Susie only played FireRed on an android emulator
>>739804934Toby's team is very close and compact, there's no real way to leak anything.
>>739816949Rent free
I don't give a shit about the plot. I signed a contract with Gaster and I have to finish his fucking experiment.I need my eggs.
>>739817037need me a mystery omelette
>>739817037the plot IS the experiment, they're inseparable
>>739812473I would trade the WAIT immediately to play the full game and I don't understand people who say otherwise.
>>739817119They're retarded, that's all it is. If the wait was half of the length that it is, and keep in mind it's gonna take 4 or more years years to actually get the full game too, I could understand, but at this point it's gone on for way too long.
>>739817037The experiment is literally the game's plot, the legend of Delta Rune.
>>739817185It's stockholm syndrome, it has to be.
>>739816680Chara is extremely loyal like Frisk and she only disobeys you if you show your disloyalty first. It's very simple.
>>739799910it's not "foundher.ogg" anon
>>739801116>Not a bat>Not a sword>A knife with a crossguard>Even the bgm is "Black Knife"That prophecy is not talking about Dess
>>739803371Anyone else like to think Echidna is Gaster's fiance?
>>739817516It's Kris’s knife, duh.
>>739816862>>739817332Chara looks to YOU for guidance on both routes, she says so on the genocide route. Whatever you do she follows, you can save everyone including her in pacifist or reinforce her kill or be killed mentality on genocide. However the conclusion she comes to on the genocide route she projects onto you, she thinks her and your ultimate purpose in that world is to gain more power, that power could be the only reason for YOU to go this far. If you follow her, then everything is fine, but if you refuse then she gets pissy. Even a maxed out stats soulless Chara disagrees with senseless violence.You're essentially forced into partnership before you're even aware of the terms and conditions. If she were obedient then she would follow you no matter what choice you make
>>739818190I mean, you yourself said she looks for us for guidance. She follows what you do until she gains enough independence, so she is obedient to a point, unlike Kris. So the image stands in my opinion desu.
>>739781163based
>>739816862This is objectively false. Genocide route literally doesn't have an ending, because she prevents you from seeing it by blowing up the entire timeline as a directly hostile action against the player (you can assume the vast majority of players' primary objective on the genocide route is to see what happens)
>>739818531Chara's destruction of the world isn't hostile, it's just that there's nothing more to do once you kill Flowey. Destroying the world IS the ending, that's what Sans was warning you about.
>>739818531>by blowing up the entire timeline as a directly hostile action against the playerThis is the most wrong interpretation of the genocide route I have ever seen There's nothing hostile about it. You've killed everyone and achieved max level. There is nothing else to achieve. This world has ended and it is time for you to move on to the next to do the same thing again.
Beloved Sister to NoelleBeloved Girlfriend to AsrielBeloved Daughter to Rudy and CarolBut to Kris she is...
>>739818817She's a very nice role model for Kris.
>>739818817His rapist.
what's there left to talk about?
>>739818817a good friend
Carol strung Kris along into her plan as an accomplice because she promised him she would bring him to his biological parents. This is why kris is willing to trap Toriel in the dark world for the Knight to kidnap her because he's willing to sacrifice her as she isn't even his real mother.
>>739818680LV 20 is an arbitrary maximum that doesn't coincide with the entire number motif of Chara being associated with the number 9. The max LV is 99, and LV 20 would theoretically be just enough to escape the barrier and slaughter everyone outside as well to reach the true maximum of 99. Unless we want to be pedantic and take Flowey's fake save file's LV as the actual max. Either way, Genocide fails Toby's vision because he tried to emphasise how much of how large of a world there is, only for everyone to immediately believe that the Underground IS the whole world, that killing everyone there is the absolute limit. Chara is a faggot protecting the humanity they claim to hate.
>>739818904chapter 5
>>739818904echidna
>>739816949believe me compared to last thread the humanbro is acting SAINTLY currently.
>>739819426Last thread was filled with a lot of humanbros, you tard
>>739818401To a point sure, but like I said, she's loyal to her own cause on geno not yours. So you're at her mercy really, making you the obedient one.She doesn't help much on pacifist, if at all. Probably because she wants you to prove it's not kill or be killed on your own.The pic seems to suggest a post geno Chara hence the disagreement
>>739803371HOLY SHIT SOMETHING NEW TO TALK ABOUT… it’s beautiful
>>739819027LV 20 is the canonical max LOVE, Sans says so in one of his judgement dialogues and you can see in your menu you can't go up anymore, and Chara destroying the world means humanity dies with it, too.
I'll go ahead and post the echidna imagestitches for those who don't want to use twitter
>>739781298I can’t hear any of the main Chapter 3 songs anymore without thinking about stupid Family Guy YTP lyrics now.
>>739819618
>>739819618let me debunk this with one screenshot
>>739819668
>>739819706this is the last one
>>739819539Chara is still loyal to (you) during most of genocide as she will accept your wish to reset the game at any time, you aren't really at her mercy, she isn't forcing you to do genocide. Plus if Chara's the narrator she does help a bit on pacifist. I always thought the picture was Chara in general, not post genocide Chara.
>>739819692You know Hussie didn't invent Echidna, right? This debunks nothing.
>>739819785Why is his shirt made out of glass?
>>739819618I really do think echidna is just a cheeky reference in coding and that's it. Didn't Undertale's test monster also not reference it?
>>739819426Go back to preddit, dr-philips-cdi.
>>739819587Sans saying so it Toby writing it off because he knew people would ask questions on why 20 is specifically the maximum, and hoping a mysterious character stating it would have people write it off so he didn't have to actually try.Chara destroying the world is also Toby writing shit off. He'd been working on the game for a while and wanted to make sure people actually got the game, so even though escaping the barrier and killing people would be the best extension of Genocide, Toby didn't want to extend development time.Taking media blindly at its word, and not considering the obvious reasons for why it does the things it does, is not healthy.
>>739819750We're really desperate for news where we are creating new fanfiction characters because the current theory bait ones have been milked dry.
DELTARUNE... SOON!!!I don't think its more than 2 months away at the latest, maybe even just a month.The wait is nearly over my FRIENDs... If the snowgrave in 5 ends up being a nothing burger I'm writing hate mail to toby.
>>739820035Yes, outside of universe it's Toby's fault, but that doesn't mean the explanations we get are wrong. A lot of things in Undertale and Deltarune are because Toby is lazy but I am still going to try to explain it with the game's logic.
>>739820094GOOD MOR-NING SUNSHINE
>>739820198>If the snowgrave in 5 ends up being a nothing burger I'm writing hate mail to tobyI'd start writing it now then because there's a decent chance that it might be just that.
>>739820235Then I guess there's not much else to say. If I can be shown any symbolic reason why LV20 is the maximum I could change my mind on it, but so far the only explanation I could find is just that Toby couldn't realistically balance the entire Underground section around a game with that large of a disparity in stats. As far as I know, damage dealt to you gets throttled already if you're a low enough level, so even with just 19 levels of difference Toby had to pull some trickery to make Pacifist not the actual true harder path.
>>739820561I don't disagree with you, I do think LOVE 20 being the absolute maximum is extremely arbitrary, I don't see why Toby just didn't make level up faster or just had us skip to LOVE 99 as a cutscene when killing Sans as LOVE 20 basically isn't even used, but that's just how it is. The amount of damage given by enemies depends on your HP, yes. If you have more HP enemies will do more damage even if you have higher defense. Not your attack, though, that actually is extremely pitiful and LOVE 1 and with no equipment. That doesn't get scaled up.
>>739819984what you’re not going to call me the anti-humanschizo i thought that was your current boogeyman
holy fucking shit guys the threads nearly over can we PLEASE not have it devolve into drama shitflinging
I FUCKING HATE TOBY FOX
I’M FUCKING TOBY FOX
>>739821049I can tell you both apart, the schizo doesn't say anything "positive" while you try to gain favor despite also being a Charafag that posts the same five images.
>>739821126It's just a small bullying of our local redditor, he needs this so he isn't as uppity as he's getting right now.
>americans wake up>instantly dip in quality
>>739821264I know this might surprise you but more than two people can find you annoying especially with the mess of last thread
>>739792396Who is this cute little lesbian and how tight is his bussy?
>>739821493truly only spics can be trusted with this series
>>739821572No, only two people are retarded enough to think there's only one humanfag last thread, (you), the hypocritical redditor and the schizo.
>>739792361do people think making these wrong on purpose is funny or is this some giga secondary thing
>>739819796I don't really see it as loyalty so much as her testing you to see what you do with ultimate power. She always gives you an out, right up until you kill Flowey, after that she traps you if you don't follow her. Chara is most often associated with genocide, especially with a void background like that. Her presence is felt there the most when it comes to any sort of cooperation
>>739792721I think its gonna be some badly written ragebait where everyone is suddenly stupid for the plot to move forward
>>739821589That jewish Chara is actually a woman and was draw by a jewish woman as well.
>>739782191>Human Dess.How did she survive in the underground? How did Flowey never notice a human hiding in snowdin?
>>739821789It's literally and unironically a reddit meme by our local redditor.
>>739794553Maybe it's cause she wanted to wear shoes and kept getting pairs to try and find one she could wear, but just couldn't find any that'd fit over her hooves or something
>>739821807I don't really see it as a test, but just Chara wanting to follow you out and seeing how far you can take it. She's not really giving you an out, she just doesn't care to stop you. She is more present in genocide but I still would say she's still mostly following what you say, your guidance above all.
>>739822138she just in denial
>>739782191She has a gender, she can't be human.
>>739822138what a BITCH
>>739821264not the redditor but i do have more than five chara pics
>>739821572A small tip but if you want to pretend you aren't dr-philips-cdi you shouldn't come crying whenever his name is said, as a newfag wouldn't know it.
>>739822581
>>739798926>being able to be beaten by noelleSans wasnt strong because he inflated his stats, sans was strong because he broke the game and ignored your strength entirelyRouxls is currently the only character where "strength" simply doesn't matter against him.>>739799120>drops the accent>this would be after he gets BTFO'd by the knight/titan after attempting to join them as a second-in-commandTRVST IN THE PLAN
New Theory Dropping https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vToZmxChlw7vpySMDBGEkpbxwqbDNHb2f6SR8VfrON8TUi33LRvTiHW3jDc8UOZsnwgaTH80-YMTUjG/pub
>>739822581>not the redditorYes, you are. You always say that wherever you're called out because you get offended over it. The point is that you post the same images every thread despite whining when others do the same.
>>739822638have had this saved since the chapter 2 days
>>739822581I really don't understand why you bitch about humanfags so much despite being a Charafag that posts a lot of human, we should be frens instead.
>>739822673What's the theory about, I'm not clicking that.
Has anyone found any good deltarune-like games before?I'm kind of starved for more shit like the weird route, not many other games I know that have anything like that in them.
>>739821572This would be more convincing if you didn't show up when people call your name, moron. A newfag shouldn't know it.
>>739822659>the knight/titan after attempting to join them as a second-in-commandlmaoif nothing else, this will happen
>>739822960Omori?
>>739822581Bro, all the results for "not the redditor" in the archive are literally FROM the redditor. Get a life, Jesus.
Why does he hate the soul so much?
>>739821656That's euroGODS, actually.
is it really all just make believe shit?that's the only thing keeping me from playing the gamei could not cope to play a game for so long when it's just the characters playing pretend
>>739823132Ehh I tried it before but I got kinda bored because of how slow it was, both the battles and the story.Does it have stuff like the weird route and other secrets like egg rooms and other hidden shit like deltarune?
>>739823156Not fully correct, it's only the results from this year, but yes, he's that obvious.
>>739823174Imagine if you were a introvert and you woke up possessed one day who makes you interact with EVERYONEI'd be pissed too.
>>739823243no
>>739823263I think it does have alternative routes and hidden shit but honestly I didn't play it lol
>>739779268i am still in awe of how good this shit was. the entire game was just amazing and made me feel like a dumbass kid who was just discovering video games again. toby really found his sauce here, there were so many kino moments
>>739800243>>739801065this doesnt explain kris's involvement and why he would work against/behind carol's back in these scenariosi can see kris not exactly having "control" of the knight or working with it, but kris not just jumping the knight in the chapter 4 closet would need to be explained
I wonder if going mostly pacifist weird route will get any strange dialogue later since the town is still packed.
>>739779268Trannycoded game enjoyed by pseuds and retards, waste of a thread. MUH HECKIN FEEL LIKE A KID AGAIN HURRRR
>>739823243No, the Dark Worlds are real and they do affect the real world.
>>739823445daring today aren't we
>>739823445?? man what
>>739823243It's not. Ralsei is lying to some extent so Susie doesn't feel too bad once it all goes to shit
>>739823486ralsei SEXXXXXXXXXXXX
>>739823476Don't interact with him, he's a brave CULTURE WARRIOR trying to save the west with his epstein created brainrot.
>>739823174We make them rape deers and shit, but nothing a simple correction wouldn't fix.
>>739823174Pretty sure he only has a problem with soul doing shit that he wouldn't do. Imagine you get posessed and are forced to beat someone up that you don't want to.
>>739823174how would you feel about some autistic demon possessing you, raping your best friend, and sperging out about how you're actually a woman?
>>739800008>mike or FRIEND isnt a darkner entity that can exist throughout multiple dark worlds>its literally some lightner that enters and exits before the fountain closes>carol/asgore are simply trying to find the guy
>>739823642That Lightner? Pizzapants.
>>739816423Is there anyone who hasn't been raped by Dess?Besides Berdly, the eternal virgin
kris is not the girl but he will be
>>739823671FACT: we dont the real name of pizzapants
>>739823515trannies are also created by epstein. most modes of thought have been fingered by him and his cronies at some point so it's not a good insult to use >y-you're a chudi love everyone excluding trannoids desu that shit makes no sense and is retarded
>>739822859its about FRIEND, The Vessel, and Everyman being made by Gaster to replace the fun gang
>>739823704Jockington, he can't be raped.
>>739816879There is no reason to believe thisToriel is an easier fight than Undyne
>>739823515Go back.
>>739823815Toriel has the same stats as Asgore and she's massively holding back in her fight, dude.
https://xcancel.com/qnnbean/status/2038370331589537907eechidnaGODS... i will fight on your side.
>>739823753>trannies are also created by epstein.no, the tranny hate was created by epstein because trannies have been around longer than israel and the jews were butthurt about it
>>739823573Nah he enjoys it but only when you make him act like a total fag
>>739823757>EveryMAN>The GIRL?
>>739823920>ip grabber
>>739818904Vidya waifus
Can you believe it guys? Deltarune Chapters 3 and 4 first anniversary, just a week away. Deltarune Chapters 3 and 4 first anniversary is in a week! Woohoo! I am so happy about this information. Deltarune Chapters 3 and 4 first anniversary! Just a week away, oh wow. Can you believe it? Deltarune Chapters 3 and 4 first anniversary! Just in a week! It got here so fast! Deltarune Chapters 3 and 4 first anniversary! Just a week away!
>>739823815>There is no reason to believe thistoriel has the exact same stats as asgore without killing anyone, and she holds back against you massively to the point of dying to a betrayal kill on genocideasgore himself, is also holding back. we have no idea how high their ceilings are
>>739823573One, he summoned meTwo, he stole me from my body Three, he does that shit no matter how nice or bad you behave
>>739823984fvvvvvvck was it that obvious
>>739823984>>739824105Really? Damn my IP was STOLEN.But for real it doesn't link anywhere.
>>739823975That's why Gaster scrapped him and let him go live in hometown. Because he ended up as a man. It's subversion, or something.
>>739824154
>miss the one thread that has actual theory discussion anyways, Dess=Knight because it'd make the most sense thematically. It'd be the identity reveal that has the greatest emotional payoff, tie loose ends together, and still leave room for some other mysteries (because after all, a Knight is nothing without their King). The real mysteries revolve around the how/why, and the specific chain of events that caused Dess to initially disappear. >>739824034it took me a fucking week to get everything because I wanted to rush through both chapters blind, had to go back for the mantle/black shard, then back again for the ch3 egg, and then AGAIN for weird route stuff. will probably go through for a max recruits weird route save soon
>the WAIT has people imagining entirely new characters and talking about them as if they're canon
>>739800542>What the fuck is this kid's agenda
>>739823874>>739824047Forgot about Toriel's statsUndying Undyne does have better stats, though
>>739824228FRIEND is such a theory bait character he creates more fanfiction characters, fuark.
>>739822176The pacifist way is more of a test, she's a lot more inclined to help you on geno directly because of her biased views but she's not 100% committed yet. You need to prove to her that Asriel did the right thing sparing those humans, it wouldn't hold as much weight if she were to assist you every step of the way. She follows your guidance not in service to you, but to see who made the right choice.Anyway I just don't really see her as loyal or obedient if one disagreement is enough for the partnership to breakdown on geno, especially since that partnership is built on a one sided conclusion and not a mutual one
Echidna talk will delay the game's release for another 3 months because now Toby has to do a meme boss mocking it, thanks guys!
>>739823506Sorry anon, Ralsei only likes girls
>>739824409MIKE is definitely a snake!
>>739824341Kris is not that based.
>>739824154>>739823920im retarded and added an e at the endhttps://xcancel.com/qnnbean/status/2038370331589537907
>>739824373Honestly it's just seems like we just agree to disagree. The point of that image though is that Chara is more loyal than Kris which I feel like you can at least agree with that, she does call us a great partner.
>>739824239anon dess being the knight is such a bandwagon theory. why don't you use your own brain and come up with something interesting like Susie knight
>>739824362Undying is even stronger than Asgore, she's a different beast.
>>739823958>tranny hate was created by epsteinThen why was he trying to push it on children in secret?
>>739823975
>>739822138Not fair post the full bro!Funny how she feels less mean in the evil path
I'm liking echidnaposting
>>739824657Okay so you don't have a real answer for this contradiction
>>739824570True, Kris is a bitch. There will be hell to pay once I get my vessel back
>>739824470Is this depicting Chara's first period?
>>739824692the holiday girls are weak to big soul energy will do that to you.
Canon Kris boob size at the end of the thread.
>>739824409based if true, thank you toby
>>739825178There it is!
>>739825178This but for the other two humans.
>>739825250This but for the other human.
>>739824946That artist just really likes to make Chara suffer so I think she's genuinely hurt.
>>739824816The theory explains far too much too neatly to me for this one issue to discount the whole thing, so it's more likely there is something we don't know yet that will address this than it is likely the theory is wrong.
>>739824869Based, at least we can agree on something.
>>739824409>Echidna talkwho?
>>739823975>>739824657>be gaster>create three darkner goons to fulfill your prophecy >realize you created everyMAN and not everyGIRL>be so thoroughly mindbroken by this that you just give up and let some random teens LARP as the prophecy figures (fuck it the living deltabible can be the prince)That would be the funniest thing Toby could do and I am unironically mad that won’t happen
>>739825480the serpent
>>739825480Knuckles the Echidna is chapter 5’s secret boss
>>739825480What Toby named the test monster as a greek reference that the fandom deluded themselves into thinking it was a real deal.
>>739825696>Deltarune Chapter 5 & Knuckles
>>739826047oh right I forgot I don't even bother looking into the unused shit anymore
