now that the dust has settledis silksong better than hollow knight?
They are both good in their own ways
>>739781421no
>>739781421Is it finished yet?
>>739781421Yes
>>739781421They're about the same. Hollow Knight had better lore and music, Silksong has very slightly better gameplay.
>>739781868hollow knight lore was just dark souls 1
Silksong has better artwork but I don't like its game design anywhere near as much as its predecessor. The original wasn't an easy game per se but I got to grips with it. I hate the difficulty curve in Silksong, Act 3 is miserable to play, and overall I spent too much of my playthrough feeling irritated and frustrated to enjoy myself
>>739781421Yes by quite a bit too
>>739781421That miner bug had the best song, it was so happy.
>>739782103>thing was *just* vaguely similar thingWow, deep
>>739781421It's better in literally every way. I thought Hollow Knight was an OK game but Silksong blew past every expectation.
>>739784187can I just play Silksong? I felt that exact way about Hollow Knight but never finished it
Just try to replay hollow knight after silksong. If you aren't some geriatric you'll find the former impossible to enjoy again, the knight might be strong but as a result he feels like an unfun tank to control compared to hornet.
>>739781534Interesting how this is always ignored
>>739781421No
>>739781421silksong was better but only by a little bitthey're both 10/10i really enjoyed the difficulty and variety of combat in silksong
I did almost everything in Hollow Knight, skipping Pantheon of Hallownest. I got frustrated with Silksong and decided that finishing Act 2 was good enough.
>>739781421>platinum hollow knight>want to get silk song>look at trophy list>have to beat the game on hardest mode and speed runDropped
>>739784584>can I just play Silksong?why not
>>739781421yeah, but that's to be expected since it's the second gameit's how it should be, sequels should be better than their predecessors
>>739785414You had to do the exact same thing to platinum hollow knight lmao you fucking poser
Silksong has better gameplay and visuals, but I feel that the original Hollow Knight is better in just about every other way.>Better music>Better story>Better map design>Better worldbuilding>Better platforming challengesHollow Knight is in my top 5 favorite games of all time and Silksong is in my top 10 favorite games of all time. They're both absolutely incredible games, I just think Hollow Knight is overall more enjoyable.
silksong was dogshithollow knight is kino
>>739785720No you don’t. You don’t have to play on perma-death mode or do a timed run.
I loved Silksong because i'm not a casual that gets filtered by a flying bug with just 3 different moves. I still probably liked Hollow Knight more but that's probably just because of the time in my life i played it at
The first game was definitely better. The levels flowed together nicer and progression was smoother. Silksong had unnatural, sporadic flow, annoying quests and oddly specific requirements to advance to Act 3. Overall HK was a much smoother, funner experienceThe only thing better in SS was the character movement
>>739787294This is quite accurate.
I think Silksong is every bit as good as Hollow Knight with the sole exception of the music.
>>739787381HK music is definitely better than most of SS
>>739787119>oddly specific requirements to advance to Act 3On the contrary, I think getting the true ending of SS is more straight forward compared to HK.
>>739787119>oddly specific requirements to advance to Act 3.You just play the game. That's it.
>>739787358Act 1 in Silksong is about the same level of difficulty as end game Hollow Knight. Act 3 is on the same level of difficulty as the Pantheon of Hallownest.
>>739787423>>739787381SS has good music, but none of it is on the level of Greenpath, City of Tears, Nightmare King, Hornet, or Mantis Lords. Cogwork Core is the best song in the game
>>739782487>world is decaying>person you think is the the hero is actually the big bad then actually really is the hero whose power is being drained to help stave off the complete death of the worldthat's to say nothing of the rest of the similarities
>>739788032best post
Both are great. I like what Silksong did with the gameplay.
>>739788135>heh, I've identified some superficial similarities>that's to say nothing of the other ones I've already identified>heh, yeah, these things are *literally JUST* the same, to be honest
>>739788190I love both. Silksong clicked with me a lot more but going back made me appreciate Hollow Knight even more
>>739788032SS has higher highs but lower lows. HK's OST is consistently good the whole way through. SS will have some vague atmospheric tracks and then suddenly BELLHART and CHORAL CHAMBERS and LOST VERDANIA
>>739788032It's crazy to me that people think Silksong's soundtrack isn't at least on par with the first game's.
>>739788696explain how that's a superficial similarityESLs really out here using big words they don't understand
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>>739787381It's a subtle matter of direction. HK's music was more "dark fairy tale" while SS is more "mythological apocalypse">>739788032bilewater https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hM_Hp37By0
>>739789117If you don't understand how that's superficial (I know you do but you're pretending otherwise, even if you can't admit it to yourself), then I can't really explain it to you.
>>739781421No, it has some moments but hollow knight did exploration and atmosphere better
>>739789204cope
>>739789257I'm trying to help you.
>>739789308ew. way too fat
>>739789308Hornet, that is your aunt
>>739789341Her younger aunt. Lace is to Hornet as Josuke is to Jotaro.
>>739789428I don't think there's any lore saying definitively who is older. They're both hags anyway.
>>739789551It's mostly conjecture. Lace was made the same way Phantom was only Phantom is old and greying while Lace is brand new. Conversely the Weavers fucked all the way off before the Conductors could start their shit. And since the Conductors don't mention Lace hunting them like she was hunting the Pilgrims, it implies that Lace came after Hornet who would've been born in Hallownest while the Conductors were in power. Not definitive. But there's reason to believe that Lace should be relatively younger than Hornet.
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>>739781421I can't decide if Radiance or Karmelita was the harder fight.Yes, I am shit at games.
>>739790365about same I'd say. unless you mean Absolute Radiance
>>739790365Karmelita took me longer to beat than the entire Pantheon of Hallownest. Granted, I went in before the last needle upgrade, but I had just about everything else.
Silksong had Bilewater and I'll never forgive it for that. The worst area in the original, Fog Canyon, wasn't even half as bad.
>>739790570Bilewater only gets the shit it does because of the debuff attached to it. Once you get the Wreath of Purity, it's not even that bad
>>739790570bilewater kinda made me seethe while playing itthe salty runbacks were so realbut looking back on it and especially while replaying iti really like the area and appreciate the brutality
>>739790449Base Radiance. I never did the Pantheon (or beat... damn, who's that poser-hero bug that the girl dreams about? him).I had played enough and wanted to do other things after beating Radiance.
>>739790570I don't mind Bilewater as much as Groal. I cheesed him from the shit water with pokes, I didn't beat the game.
>>739789551Lace and Hornet are cute.I hope we get to see more of them interacting in the DLC.>>739790570Why didn't you just OD on plasma? I didn't die a single time in bilewater.
>>739790818Do you mean Zote? Pantheon was a thing. Absolute Radiance was a nightmare, especially since it was at the end of the gauntlet.I understand that people bounced off of Silksong, but I appreciated it kept the DLC to Hollow Knight approach.
>>739790570>fun platforming>great atmosphere/soundtrack>cool bossI unironically really like Bilewater. And it's more forgiving than it seems. For instance those little flying bugs endlessly respawn for infinite heals even if you fall in the water. The area is designed to punish people who play by rushing to the next bench.
In terms of difficulty:Skarrsinger Karmelita > Lost Lace > Flea Games > (power gap) > Watcher at the Edge > Lost Verdania > Shrine Guardian Seth > Coral Tower > Nyleth > Lost Garmond > (power gap) > Crawfather > Plasmified Zango > Pinstress > Gurr the Outcast > Crust King Khann > Clover DancersI 100%'d the game twice, by the way.
>>739781421I wanna fuck Hornet more than ghost, so SilkSong is better. That said, hiding Act 3 behind the fleas was a retarded decision.
>>739791103>Skarrsinger Karmelita > Lost LaceI don't know, I did Karmelita in two tries. I lost count on Lost Lace.
>>739791169Lost Lace took me about an hour and a half. Karmelita took me close to 3 hours. >>739791121I'm pretty sure you don't need all the fleas to progress to Act 3. You just need to move the caravan a couple of times, complete a dozen quests, and finish the map.
>>739791103>Flea Games >>near the top evennah, they're really not that bad
>>739791121>hiding Act 3 behind the fleas was a retarded decisionWhy? You find them naturally as you explore.
>*beats your flea games score*
>>739791103Watcher is trivial you literally just dash under him
>>739791169Lost Lace is garbage because you have to play super-passive to make the boss AI not explosively shit itself>let’s make the final boss warp and deal two contact damage in her fight where there’s also Silver Surfer levels of garbage on the screen 75% of the time
>>739781421>Game set in an empty kingdom>Call it Hallownest>Second game set in a faraway kingdom obsessed with silk>Call it Pharloomkino.......
Silksong is like a more polished Dark Souls 2, rather maybe something like if it had released as SotFS instead of coming out the mess it did where there was little room to argue its strengths. Darks Souls 1 and Hollow Knight will always be remembered as classics. Dark Souls 2 and Silksong as divisive sequels with fundamental flaws that are hard to overlook despite the great things in the games. The biggest point about Silksong is the focus on overt difficulty itself rather than simply presenting an adverse world to explore. This is what a lot of people complained about with Dark Souls 2 and Fromsoft missing the original point of their games due to fandom memery. Difficulty is supposed to complement the world, not be the point of it. It bled into every aspect of Silksong's gameplay to the point it was overbearing. Hollow Knight in contrast was never originally about difficulty. It was a metroidvania with an extreme range of freedom and exploration. The difficulty came from exploring an unknown hostile world and fighting on regardless. The difficulty itself was not the point, exploring and progressing to discover the world was. Silksong instead felt like you were fighting through difficult things just to get to more difficult things to fight through rather than a focus on exploration. The combat is well-made, but it was never the original point of the first Hollow Knight. Silksong also suffers from being a Sequel. There are a lot of moments in Hollow Knight that have impact because you were completely new and bright eyed. Getting scammed, walking through the rain, and many other little moments. The sort of moments that make a game feel special. Silksong has a far higher hurdle for making those sorts of moments as a Sequel, because well you're expecting them. This is also why some people are a bit more underwhelmed by HK if they played Dark Souls first.
>>739792062>You’ve still got it, J.R.R.
>>739791946>muh contact damageMaybe you should stop sprinting straight into the person covered in soul-eating goop.
>>739792062>Far>Phantom>Heirloom>LoomPacks so many meaningful little ideas into one name.
Anyone else lose a 20 hour steel soul run to her?
>>739790570>Poison swamp>secret exit to a new area>it's another, more poisoned swamp>secret exit to another new area>another, further poisoned swampI admire their balls.
It's funny how different experiences can be when playing videogames.In Hollow Knight, I couldn't even beat base Radiance, the most difficult boss I beat was normal Grimm. Granted, I didn't spend much time retrying the bosses since I just got bored and stopped playing.Meanwhile, in Silksong, I 100%'d the game. I beat Lace in 20 minutes and Karmelita in 30, though I really did get lucky with her. In contrast, I could beat Lost Lace 9 out of 10 times. The boss that took me the longest was Groal, of course, at 1h 30min. Silksong was a wonderful experience for me. I started out as the biggest shitter ever, but by the end, I was pretty skilled. I died more times to the Bell Beast than I did to Lost Lace. I even modded the game and beat Absolute Radiance and difficult versions of other bosses (not so crazy ones).So for me, Silksong was the easier game and Hollow Knight was the hard one. I have tried to go back to fully finish Hollow Knight but I can't, it's just so slow for me now compared to Silksong and I still don't click with the Knights moveset.
>>739792534No. I didn’t do Steel Soul because I’m not into having my cock stepped on.
I got burned out on silksong pretty quickly, i always manage to find the worst, most nonsensical progress-impeding paths that require me to backtrack like an idiot through the whole game to find the one place i was 'supposed' to go
>>739791103The one I died to the most was that fuckass stag fuck that thing
>>739782269This is all I keep hearing. Is it really that bad? Ive played through all the fromsoft games.I feel like white palace was the only part of hk1 I found too tedious
>>739792990I didn't die a single time to Pale Stag. I only died to Clover Dancers because I wandered into the boss room without healing (I didn't pick up the map before going into Lost Verdania). Beat them on my first real attempt.
>>739793026I get the impression that people who say Silksong is too hard are the same kinds of people who act like using any item in Elden Ring is cheating. While I personally gravitated towards fighting bosses via fundamentals and leaving tools for explorations, lots of bosses can be made significantly easier via correct tool usage.
>>739781421The only people who think HK is better are ones who never played it until they got filtered by Silksong. Yeah, we know it's easier, so you like it more. Thx.
>>739793026There's challenging platforming sections in Silksong but nothing of remotely the same scale as white palace.
>>739787714>You just play the game. That's itHalf of the game is in Act 3, which you completely miss unless you fulfil a long list of specific requirements before fighting the Act 2 end boss
>>739784598The running ability for hornet made the game flow better when it comes to traversing the world as opposed to the Dash charm which only slightly made knight faster but overall yeah the knight feels tanky but i still think hollow knight is a superior product over silksong.
>>739781421If you're a casualfaggot, no.If you're a gamerfaggot, yes.Only faggots play those games.
>>739792652>I even modded the game and beat Absolute Radiance and difficult versions of other bosses (not so crazy ones).You mean bringing HK bosses into Silksong?
>>739781421without question, yes
>>739792781>i always manage to find the worst, most nonsensical progress-impeding paths that require me to backtrack like an idiot through the whole game to find the one place i was 'supposed' to goI absolutely hate that shit. HK was much more free in exploration. SS was pedantic and petty much of the time. The first game had natural exploration. The second did not
Equal to me. Hollow Knight had better flow for the most part. Silksong is a bit more creative, perhaps? It has a slightly stronger identity than "bug dark souls". Lots of differences, but the quality is remarkably consistent across both games.
>>739793949Yes, only Radiance though. The others were two different Grand Mother Silk mods, and a Lost Lace + Grand Mother Silk final fight.
>>739792652HK endgame is harder because the movement and combat is bad so when it gets to a point you have such limited ways of moving and dealing with things that the game just becomes CBT. There's also dumb shit like the shade cloak being on a longer cooldown than the normal dash with no way to dash without using it making the attacks that require shade cloak way more annoying than they should be because you have to limit your movement beforehand to not waste the shade cloak. Silksong seems easier because even though the actual difficulty throughout the game is higher and more is being asked of you, you have much more freedom with how you can move and attack to deal with the challenge. The difficulty is also spread out better in silksong, whereas HK only has a few fights at the end that are of an appropriate difficulty with the entire game before it being piss easy and everything after it being bullshit fights like Zote and boss rushes that I don't understand why anyone would even want to play
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>>739793026Silksong is genuinely quite hard.
