What are examples of idiot plots in video games? I can think of some minor things in games with a silent protagonist where the player could solve things much faster if the player were able to ask the obvious but what comes to your mind?
spec ops the line
>>739798712That part in resident evil requiem with the braille puzzle that would normally only require minor trial and error to solve.
>>739798712Xenoblade Chronicles, everyone not strapping Shulk to a chair and torturing him for info every time he has a "that's so Raven" moment, they know he's prescient and clearly notice when he had visions.Also, FFXV:>Noctis: *doesn't do anything particularly whiny or lazy*>Gladio: "Hey Noctis, I know your dad just died, while you were on a road trip, but let's not ruin the mood or Prompto will have to shut up for a second and deal with his self-esteem. Also, IF I CATCH YOU SLACKING ON THE SEARCH FOR THE WEAPONS I WILL FUCK YOUR ASSHOLE, but let's keep it light">Ignis: "I'm the best character, so Tabata will make me blind and turn my personal moment into a damn escort mission".Looking back it might have been idiot development, not idiot plot.
>>739798712pretty much any jrpg
>>739798712I don't like this "trope" because it's invoked frequently by the autistic to make baseless criticisms
>>739799290To be fair, he stops doing that after the Ether Mines, except when he starts having that odd feeling right before Mechonis Core.
>>739798712every Rockstar game
>>739798712Definitely Tales of Abyss.>Jade
>>739800000Maybe I remember it happening more than it did. I kinda zoned out from the jungle until Mechonis.
>>739798712subnautica 2 if the main character would just ask the computer to make a knife or a gun or a torpedo and the computer wasn't an idiot
>>739798712Yesterday, I decided to eat takeaway for the first time in years. So I got a Shake Shack ShackBurger. Anyway, while I was there eating my burger, the police were called on a Black dude who was yelling at the staff. I was watching this whole thing, and despite the whole mess he had made, the police were treating him with kid gloves. They were talking to him politely, asking him to simply leave with no charges, talking all friendly and with low calming voices. I thought it was absurd this asshole was gonna get off for throwing shit around and punching the glass dividers and all.Yet the dude just stayed there screaming at the police. Eventually he attacked them and was promptly arrested.Is this an "Idiot Plot"? And why is the "Idiot Plot" not okay?
>>739798712There was some FPS made by People can Fly that starred Steve Blum as a foul-mouthed ex-spec ops guy who had an energy whip on his hand. He and basically everyone else always did the dumbest possible thing in every possible scenario but by sheer coincidence he manages to kill his old commander, get revenge for his murdered crew, and make it off planet in one piece. I only remember that everything happening was the dumbest shit possible and always caused by the dumbest choices possible.
>>739798712RDR2RE8Spec Ops
>>739799494This
>>739799494Give a direct example and why.
>>739798949she's a technical analyst with the FBIyou can literally look at the braille and figure out which word means what in like three seconds
>>739800440it would have been an idiot plot if the cops in question were trigger-happy enough to paint the shack's walls red with his blood. also:>claims to be eating takeaway>is eating his meal in the restaurant
>>739798712Pretty much all of Injustice>First chapter explains that Lex (evil one) gave Joker a nuke in the main timeline and fucking tells the Justice League his plan to trick people into supporting him>However, Joker also gets a nuke in the timeline where Lex is a good guy too, somehow>And kidnaps Lois, Superman’s wife also somehow>The wife of the character who can hear a button from star constillations and through space (and we see this guy fly from orbit and hear Lex from Space too later on)>Oh and somehow also gets his hands on a “rare” space rock and fear gas>Multiple high level detectives with minding reading powers and magic somehow don’t figure out shit>Somehow while Joker was setting up the nuke, not a single soul notice a giant fucking nuke appearThe smartest thing anyone did at the beginning was Superman finally killing the Joker.>The Flash and multiple other heroes several times ftl can’t move the nuke or at least evacuate the entire city during the explosion
>>739800440I think a basic requirement of an idiot plot is that the characters are NOT SUPPOSED to be stupid. When the story presents allegedly competent characters, but requires them to be incompetent to work.If the characters are intended to be dumb, it's not an idiot plot, or it's an idiot plot in a good way. For example, Paulie and Chris in the Sopranos episode where they get stuck in the woods: both characters have some basic low cunning but at their core they are ignorant impulsive oafs, so when they get into deep shit because of their idiocy it's funny and makes perfect sense.
>>739800440>Is this an "Idiot Plot"?only if everyone in the bus clapped
>>739801310Outside, actually. It was the one in Madison Square Park.It's nice out there.
>>739798712Every single NTR porn game
>>739801382>only if everyone in the bus clappedAre you implying a Black dude making a fool of himself and turning a simple warning into a felony is rare? I could probably find a dozen of those in only a few seconds on one of the billion body cam youtube channels.
Arkham Knight comes to mind.idk why Bruce didn't discern Jason's identity. He does in literally every other version of Red Hood.I GUESS you could say that the visions in the Movie Studios was him subconsciously putting it together but that seems pointless with him never consciously putting it together.
>>739801523Does the plot actually change if he finds out earlier? I don't exactly remember but I presume not that much
>>739800328Wait does subnautica 2 not have weapons like a knife?
Idiot plot (compliment)
>>739798712StarCraft: Brood War makes pretty much everyone other than Kerrigan an idiot in order to prop up the idea that she's some sort of cunning mastermind.
>>739798712Baldur's Gate 3
>>739801593Probably not but that's just the most egregious one.Jason also hating Bruce when every other version of Jason never does is rough. The animosity is literally one-sided. Bruce can't stand that Jason is a killer. Jason loves his "dad".
Everyone in broodwar must have -30 iq points from transient psyonic emissions that kerrigan is giving out
>>739798712Isn't this basically all media starting around 1975 or so?
>>739798712Mega Man X4
>>739801491no, I'm implying an anon going out to eat a burger is rare
>>739801310But that would be smarter ultimately and also end the plot
>>739798712The last of usIf people just stayed in the quarantine zones the zombies would have died off naturally within 25 yearsIgnoring this, the idea of being able to make a vaccine against a fungal infection is stupid and won't workAnd even ignoring this, a group of vigilante larpers wouldn't have the supply chain to manufacture large amounts of vaccine or distribute it. So every single thing that happened in the game is caused by people being retarded and could have been easily preventable.
>>739798712Everything in 40k
>>739798712elden ring
>>739800731Bullet Storm. A fucking masterpiece btw.
>>739798712>why are the switches to control each radar dish at the opposite ends of the compound from their respective dishes?
>>739798712Almost every single JRPG in existence.
Mass effect.Only reason shepard seems competent is because literally everyone else in the galaxy is a fucking retard. You can say "oh, corporate bureaucracy" etc, except the spectres exist, and there aren't just saren and shepard. Any number of them could have been dispatched to verify what shepster said.Then, of course, there's the retarded justification the reapers give in 3. Or that you can't call out cerberus in 2. At any given time, it's either shepard or everyone around him who is retarded.
>>739800000checked
>>739800080Someone not revealing something they know because they don't want to doesn't make them idiots, if anything it'd be the opposite.
>>739801461Disagree. MOST of them are, but there are exceptions, like "Sana", where both the husband and wife cheat on one another and both are aware the other is a degenerate (while still loving each other).
>>739802745The way I play it (Retard Renegade), it's definitely Shepard that's retarded.
>>739798712>want to create an impenetrable defense for some item or dead body or whatever in my dungeon>put a puzzle before the last door>the solution to the puzzle is either self evident or has the necessary clues nearbySo many games do this, in skyrim the combination is on the fucking key
>>739798712Golden Sun.
>>739798712Unironically Resident Evil, autism runs deep in the lore.
>>739798712Couldn't I have just not sent my wife to do something that I would need to gouge her eyes out for doing? Who wrote this plot?
>>739800000Wasted as fuck
>>739801610>>739800328Space commies banned all weapons. And your character didn't get a knife loisance.
>>739798712Most recent one was Octopath Traveler 0 but it applies to pretty much all of them
>>739803367Lmao so glad I didnt buy it yet. We will see how this pans out
>>739798949>Its like a big puzzle box!>she says to a blind kid monster thing
>>739798712Kingdom Hearts: Birth by SleepEVERYONE except Xehanort is an idiot>Eraqus: "Why yes, my childhood friend went crazy, started talking about restarting the Keyblade War by reforging the most important Keyblade and gave me a scar by almost killing me with the power of darkness... but years later he sent me a letter full of regrets and dumped a potato kid on me, so I will trust him again with al of my heart! Surely I won't die by his hand! BTW Darkness BAD Light GOOD, even if that makes no sense with my previous sentence!">Yen Sid: "I'm fucking useless, sit on my ass and tell important stuff way too late for people to prevent disasters.">Terra/Ventus/Aqua: "We will NOT travel together. Travelling together would make sense and remove any sort of forced drama that pops up in the plot!">Terra: "Well, Eraqus trusts Xehanort even after all the bullshit he did, and I disappointed Eraqus by having a taint of darkness, so maybe I should ask his old friend as how to win the trust of my master back! Blind faith FTW!"Ventus: "I'm basically Roxas who got lucky like Sora and can make a bunch of friends, but that also made me super soft and I thus I don't have a spine to stick to either of my main friends and travel with them together. I'm so useless I just went home and learned I'm a walking nuclear bomb."Aqua: "I had two jobs: keep an eye on Terra to not fuck shit up and bring back Ventus. I failed at both. But that wasn't enough, so I made sure nobody can save Ventus (instead of keeping him at Yen Sid's) and I sacrificed myself to save the main villain of the series. I'm so smart!"Mickey: "This gummi block RNG makes sure I get booted the very moment I get a chance to join the party and do something useful."Vanitas: "DARKNESS! FIGHTING! X-BLADE!"
>739800000Wasted
>>739798712God of War 2>you see that dumb muscle dude who killed a god out of sheer butthuet?>yeah, let's betray him
>>739799494Agreed.
>>739804132Quints don't count.
>>739800440Police have better things to do than take in everyone throwing a baby tantrum. Most of them just don't want to deal with this shit to begin with. They don't want to be there, they don't want to bother with the tard wrangling, and they don't want the paperwork afterwards.If they can talk the retard down, they usually will if there's been no damage and nobody's actually been assaulted. The moment either of those two things happen though, the path of fate is set. Not really an idiot plot so much as a "we're too busy for this shit, give us a break and make this easy we're begging you" plot.
>>739801638Amazing free movie on youtube. Feel bad for anyone who "play" it as a videogame full price. Seen porn based visual novels with more gameplay.
Skyrim, Alduin pretty much engineered his own demise by interrupting the execution of the PC
>>739800000based corrector
>>739798712Basically EVERYTHING in Ace Attorney Dual Destinies happened because police & prosecution couldn't be bothered to review some camera footage in its entirety of the time period that they knew a victim was killed during.Like, they knew someone was killed during a two hour period, they had a camera pointing right at the fucking door of the room she was killed in, but nobody thought that maybe they should look to see how many people entered or left that room & possibly follow up if they saw someone leaving with a clear stab wound to their hand during that time. And wearing the victim's jacket.All this bullshit until an attorney suggests looking at the full footage like 7 years later.
>>739800440No, it's a nigger plot
Umineko
>>739804390I don't think he's talking about the police being an idiot plot, but the Black dude.>given the chance to back down>treated exceptionally well despite them having the option to make it really bad for him>escalates a simple warning at worst to a felony out of nothing but idiocy
Every Blizzard and Rockstar game ever.
>>739801836Humans could be the smartest beings in the universe & do everything right, but they'd still be stuck in a dark age of endless war because the dumbass space elves fucked everything up for everyone.
>>739805208Yeah, but one person being an idiot doesn't make the thing. Everyone has to be an idiot to qualify.One person being an idiot while everyone else is begging them to see sense is like... slice of life.
>>739805279Maybe the black guy is the main character and they're all background characters. So his plot is him not going to jail, but due to idiocy, he does.
>>739798712Bunny Must Die is an idiot plot in a good way.
>>739798712Far Cry 4. Thankfully, the devs made a non idiot route where you just sit at the table when asked politely to get the good ending
TLOU part 2
>>739802745ME1 actually does answer this question: Shepard is the only one who can speak prothean, so he’s the logical choice to investigate. The fact the other games throw this justification in the shitter doesn’t mean there wasn’t originally an answer to the problem.
>>739799290Wot? I thought XBC was a great example of the exact opposite, Shulk didn't do the anime protagonist thing and just keep going "nah it must've just been a wacky coincidence!"
>>739798949>first character in two of the words is the same>and only one of those has repeating charactersIf a basic logic puzzle that simple requires trial and error, I've got bad news for you.
>>739805340Name one thing Chelsea did wrong.
For all the praise it got for being a "smart game", Bioshock Infinite was pretty stupid overall.
>>739803159I think RE2 is the only one that "makes sense" because things just got way out of control and Leon/Claire are just trying to get the fuck out of the city >RE0: Marcus is a fucking idiot>RE1: Wesker is a fucking idiot >RE3: Nicholai is a fucking idiot>RE4: Saddler is a fucking idiot>RE5: Wesker is a fucking idiot: Reloaded>RE6: Simmons is a fucking idiot I haven't played 7, 8 or 9 but I bet something stupid happens because one single character was a fucking idiot
>>739798712Hotline Miami
>>739800440One time I saw a nigger getting hauled out of a Subway. I looked it up on the news later and it turned out he'd stabbed someone, not even in the store, then had the genius idea to hide in the Subway's windowless customer restroom.
>>739804662For me it's mages college questline>Time travelling mage appears in front of you to tell you that... something is happening. That's it, he just tells you that there is a plot ongoing. No details about the plot or instructions or warnings, just "a chain of events has been set in motion">yeah we found a huge orb beneath saarthal, bo idea what it does. You should go around killing wizards to find books, maybe one of them will have the info we want>oh right, the book that talks about something hidden beneath saarthal, of course I know it. Funny that nobody even thought of it before >in the meanwhile let's leave our orb completely unguarded in a room where the Aldmeri spy (who everyone knows is a spy) has free access to>time travelling wizard shows up again to tell you to speak to the ghost living in the sewers for the next part of the plot. He can't actually tell you himself what you need to know, of course. That would be anticlimactic >by the way, we randomly started calling this orb the eye of Magnus for no reason. Oh, and the control key for it turns out to be the staff of Magnus. What a funny coincidence>The staff of Magnus BTW is a super powerful and well known ancient artifact which the college can locate at any time, but nobody cares enough to bother>Oh shit the archmage died. Well you're the aechmage now, congratulations. It's not like the college has half a dozen teachers with decades of seniority, we'll just give the position to a dude who joined the school last week and has finished one single lesson
>>739805729I live in a relatively crime free area. The only single time I've ever seen Police try to arrest someone was just two days ago. Police pulled over next to a black guy on the road and he started running. A woman cop got out and took two steps before giving up.
The mages in Dragon Age are really stupid like DAMN no wonder they're getting genocided
>>739800328Did you pay any attention to the fact that you're debt slaves and the computer is your slave driver? They make it abundantly clear that your corporate overlords don't allow any weapons to the wagie caste.
>>739805878>A woman cop got out and took two steps before giving up.Better performance than expected, at least she didn't try to deploy her taser and accidentally draw her handgun instead.
>>739806289Years later and people are STILL seething that the old fart could chase down a nigger faster than every other cop present, huh?Anyway, VIDEOGAMES.
>>739806375>the old fart could chase down a nigger faster than every other cop present, huh?I have no idea what you're referencing, schizo.
>>739802458I wish we had sequel back then, when games were good
>>739805340I heard it makes some sense if you rearrange the timeline.
>>739798712Every plot where the characters aren't perfect, omniscient beings of pure logic that never behave irrationally, make mistakes, or choose anything less than the most optimal course of action, and magically solve all of the story's problems before the story even begins, according to my deliberately impossibly high expectations and my over nine thousand terminal autisms.
Idiot plot is only a problem if you're an autist. People are idiots all the time, furthermore it creates FUN character moments i.e. when they realize they were idiots.
>>739798712Why didn't Odysseus just pay a proper hecatomb to Poseidon?
>call the police? nah i'll just go in this murder death house alone lol
>>739798819It makes sense because it's soldiers of the US army
>>739806894that's what we call a based retard
>>739806894>ETHAN YOU REAL WIFE WAS KIDNAPPED AND THAT WOMAN WE JUST KILLED IS A SUPER MOLD WITCH, YOU AND YOUR DAUGHTER WILL BE TAKEN INTO CUSTODY WHILE WE SORT THIS OUT>credits roll
>>739806785My over nine thousand terminal autisms compel me to explosively shit myself and screech like a howler monkey if everything isn't completely logical and realistic. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go make ten billion fucking threads asking what people in Pallet Town eat, get banned from a casino for counting cards, and then it'll be lunchtime, so I'll have to throw a violent temper tantrum because my peas and carrots are touching. Then I've gotta watch Wapner, and make another ten billion threads complaining about minor animation errors in children's cartoons. Such is life when you're a hopeless slave of the autisms.
>>739800080What about Tales of Destiny. IIRC Dhaos gets the energy he wanted to plunder from earth anyway after he gets defeated.
>the president's daughter was kidnapped? send the army right now!
>>739807232why do they have little guys on the top of their blades
>>739806397I accept your concession.
>>739807424Well done defeating your straw man, I guess.
>>739800000checked, witnessed, and based
>>739801234I mean the FBI intelligence test is literally crap like pic related
>>739807696c
>>739807730Yes.
The Last of Us 2.
>>739798712Most of the answers ITT just blame characters for not acting like perfectly logical robots or not having clairvoyance, but the real answer is FFVI.>have a superpowered mass murdering sadistic terrorist that has wronged you personally at your mercy>you have no emotional attachment to him, he's protected by no laws, has no allies, and there would be literally zero bad consequences for killing him except >just let him go, I guess, it's not like you can actually do anything to stop the atrocities you claim you want to stop >do this four fucking times to really cement your idiocyFFVI exists solely because the good guys do the absolutely stupidest thing at every crucial point, for no reason whatsoever.
>>739807730why not d? I can't find the pattern with the arrow directions
>>739798712All's well that ends well by William Shakespeare
>>739798712Yakuza iw
>>739802458Bulletstorm made killing niggas stylishly super fun and advanced the science of swearing by leaps and bounds.
>>739807974no clue to be honest but my bet was on blue matching whites direction like they both go to the right in 2nd row and to the left in 3rd row
>>739801719t. someone who has no experience with older popular entertainment Ye olde time popculture was often the dumbest shit that makes Marvel capeshit look like high art. If you want a good laugh, read Mark Twain's review of the work of Fenimore Cooper, the author of The Last of the Mohicans and the 19th century literary superstar. >The ark is one hundred and forty feet long; the dwelling is ninety feet long. The idea of the Indians is to drop softly and secretly from the arched sapling to the dwelling as the ark creeps along under it at the rate of a mile an hour, and butcher the family. It will take the ark a minute and a half to pass under. It will take the ninety foot dwelling a minute to pass under. Now, then, what did the six Indians do? It would take you thirty years to guess, and even then you would have to give it up, I believe. Therefore, I will tell you what the Indians did. Their chief, a person of quite extraordinary intellect for a Cooper Indian, warily watched the canal-boat as it squeezed along under him, and when he had got his calculations fined down to exactly the right shade, as he judged, he let go and dropped. And missed the house! That is actually what he did. He missed the house, and landed in the stern of the scow. It was not much of a fall, yet it knocked him silly. He lay there unconscious. If the house had been ninety-seven feet long he would have made the trip. The fault was Cooper's, not his. The error lay in the construction of the house. Cooper was no architect.
>>739807974NTA, but I was about to post C myself.It was obvious that it needed to be that color, but I couldn't find the pattern with the arrows either, other than ultimately supposing that maybe if you combined all the arrows together they would ultimately reach some kind of parity with the other colors, maybe adding up to 360 degrees or something. I'm too dyslexic to verify that with any real certainty, but C looked like it came close enough to having the kind of degrees that would equate to the other colors given that premise.
>>739799494/thread
>>739807974Every horizontal row has 1 of each color and the arrows move clockwise in the bottom 2 rows. Its a pattern from the rows.
>>739807931The worst part was the melodrama between Locke and Celes that wouldn't exist at all if they just talked to each other
Mario and Luigi partners in time is pretty bad. Mario is given a drawing of great importance yet doesn’t think to wipe off the fucking dirt until asked to.
>>739805639This so much.>quantum physics is a magic plot device that makes ADAM look grounded>the magic twins who can teleport anywhere bring you to another dimension to stop evil you/rescue daughter>they then leave you somewhere unhelpful, explain nothing and leave cryptic clues>despite knowing parallel universes fuck with your head because reasons>no apparent way back, nobody cares>elizabeth can make portals to paris stuff can go through in her tower, never uses them to leave>we need THIS SPECIFIC airship to leave, not any of the others we passed on the way>the city wants to kill everyone because uhhhh they're a crazy cult>let's go to a different dimension from the one we made this deal in order to fufill the deal>nobody suggests going through any of the portals that would get them out the city until the ending when the danger has passed>people go weird when they die in another dimension but only when it's plot relevant or everyone would be like that>guy is alive in other universe cuz his wife is white now, ignore that racemixing was a lynching crime at the start of the game>let's go to another dimension, one where our deal would have never been made, in order to fufill our deal>booker never recognizes any of the countless pictures and statues of his late wife>uhhh you're every version of you now, you're not crazy at all though, also we're in a magic time version of that place you were in and if I kill you here, you'll never exist because magic>post-credits and dlc reveal you still exist anyway>also the magic twins couldn't do this themselves because reasonsI've seen games that were trying to be stupid be less stupid than Infinite.
>>739805767That's not an idiot plotline, that's a "we cut out 80% of the planned story due to rushing into a release" affair.
>>739807058Chris got Ethan killed out of spite for stealing his rightful place as the protagonist.
Super Mario Sunshine, the entire plot happens cuz Mario is punished to clean the islands because the piantas are apparently blind and can't distinguish Shadow mario from regular Mario.
>>739798712
>>739798712Most of vidya
>>739807696>>739807730I thought it would be D.>Greens point towards the outside.>Whites point towards the outside, with a tendency to lean towards each other if able>Blues point towards each other
>>739801737he did start his blog post mentioning that, broyou niggas can't read
>>739804662Oblivion without a doubt>Jauffre takes the Amulet of Kings for no reason>"Hides" it in Weynon Priory>Has no idea whether the PC was followed there or not>Doesn't take the Amulet to Cloud Ruler Temple, which is an impenetrable fortress>In fact, Jauffre does absolutely nothing>The Amulet gets stolen>If this didn't happen then the main quest would have been over in 5 minutesThis nigga single handedly caused the Oblivion Crisis
>>739807696Oh right, it's actually B. Cheeky fucking shit.
Fuck sake don't remind me of the Burning of Prospero, I dread how they gonna handle Caliban's fall I know the timetravel >>739807058Maybe he feared Miranda had some kind of deadman switch on the baby and Ethan. He had to make sure they didn't appear dangerous to her
>>739810268Bro...
>>739805698>Jacket is an idiot for being blackmailed
>>739798712>gate is locked>could easily be climbed>decides to follow a vague clue suggesting the key is inside the scary building instead
>>739799494JRPGs like to depict ideal worlds where most people are moral and innately good. That's not the same as being idiots.
>>739798712Every Single JRPG and Anime ever contrived.100% Of JRPG "Plots" can be resolved by a meeting.
>>739808530I'm not reading your wall of text because you started off very clearly not understanding the concept of "all".You should consider suicide.
Everything in Paper Mario: The Origami King happens because THE VILLAIN CAN'T READ.
>>739810364>arrows move in a clockwise directionThis was made by a retard
>>739805648>>RE4: Saddler is a fucking idiotSaddler's entire plan hinges on Leon and Ashley returning to America so they can become his puppets.So naturally, he directly tells them this and then orders his entire armored forces to do everything in their power to stop them from leaving.Literally all he had to do was nothing at all, and he would've won.
>>739810959>its another case of zoomers cant read a analog clock.
>>739811004How is the second row clockwise you absolute nigger
>>739811084>zoomer actually can't read an analog clockkekHave you ever wondered what happens after a clock reaches 12:00, since there's actually 24 hours in a day? You should go watch an analog clock around that time
>>739811084>How is the second row clockwise you absolute nigger?
>>739806775This post reeks of seethe
>>739810364>arrows move in a clockwise directionthere's no reason to assume that
>>739811167>>739811124With that logic, any arbitrary list of clock positions is always clockwise, since instead of having moved back 1 minute, it could always have advanced 11 hours and 59 minutes
>>739811167how do you know it didn't move anticlockwise retard, especially since it's shortest path
90% of the examples made in this thread are not "idiot plots", you're just listing games with dumb/stupid characters in them, and that's not what an idiot plot is.An idiot plot is NOT when the characters are simply stupid, it is when their stupid decisions are the only factor keeping the plot in motion cause, if they were instead acting as intellifently as they're presented, the plot would either not happen or would be wrapped up much more quickly.Dumb ignorant characters being involved in situations bigger than them and taking dumb decisions cause they're dumb and don't know better is NOT an idiot plot.Characters presented as if their intelligence is their main traits or when their profession requires cognitive skill and decision making and yet they miss the most obvious clues, ignore the most obvious choice, or take decision no one would ever take, all only so that the plot can happen, that is an idiot plot.there are also gameplay examples that do nt require the intelligence factor:>we have to go across the mountain, and there's a convenient passage, but a landslide caused it to be obstructed by giant boulders, so we have to go the long path, leading to an adventurethis is not an idiot plot>we are a kid who runs away from someone running after them in a big house, but the door leading to the exit is obstructed by a giant boockshelf full of heavy boxes cause the house in disarray, so we take a different path leading to a game of hide and seek across the house to find the exitthis is not an idiot plot>we are a 6'2 muscular police officer investigating a mansion, and we hear a scream from 2 rooms away, but the corridor is blocked by a normal sized empty bookshelf that has no reason to be there cause the rest of the house is clean and tidy, so we decide to go the long route ending up missing the attack and having to figure out who the attacker was for the remainder of the gamethis is an idiot plot, cause MOVE THE FUCKING SHELF SOMENE IS DYING
>What are examples of idiot plots in video games?Pretty much video game script ever written.>thanks for the literary clarification
This Idiot Plot is taken a step further in Golden Sun.>Golden Sun>Menardi and Saturos are from a tribe of Alchemist in the far north called Prox>They notice the world is slowly eroding away under the immense pressure of alchemy>they theorize that if the alchemical lighthouses are not lit this process will eventually erode away the entire world, as these fonts will relieve that pressure>The Wise One of Vault knows that the world is eroding away because of Alchemy>but he has a really cushy job guarding the knowledge of Alchemy o when the world begins to erode FASTER he warns his people that if the Lighthouses are lit Alchemy will be destroyed and the world will endGUESS WHO IS RIGHT>Menardi and Saturos are appealing to the Alchemy users around the world to gain favor in lighting the lighthouses>everyone is agreeing and on board>enter the Protaganists.>Isaac, Garret, and Janet>these three are informed by Kratos, their teacher, to consult the Wise One to learn their mission>He tells them to not allow the lighthouses to be litAnd then there was an entire War of Obligation because these three kids will meet another kids and the idiot savant squadro that these dumbasses from nearly end the world UNTIL THEY MEET UP WITH ANOTHER IDIOT SAVANT WHo...Look it's a big scene in the second game so just play it.
>>739798712I just fished playing Hogwarts legacy, I feel like there are multiple idiot plots in that game
>>739811213>how do you know it didn't move anticlockwiseIt becomes apparent when your IQ is above the average. I'm very sorry.Also, it's "counterclockwise", not "anticlockwise".
>>739811256This guy gets it
>>739811316>It becomes apparent when your IQ is above the average. I'm very sorry.no it doesn't because there's no reason to assume it
>>739811431>He doesn't get itI'm sorry...
>>739807154>>739806775Malding so hard.
>>739811465>no explanationthanks for proving me right
>>739811196you have a sub 90 IQ, if you look at all 3 in the row/column they move clockwise
>>739810023takeout? in this economy? already straining the limits of credibility.and eating it on site, out in public? no anon is socially resilient enough not to take their burger home, nor would they be crazy enough to even try when they know there's nogs aroundit all adds up to the story being FAKE! meant to garner (You)s! while anon sits at his computer, chowing down on his once-a-year small patty he blew last week's savings on! and had to order through Uber Eats!indeed, I posit that the delivery man was a nigger! and anon was (understandably) too scared, too shaken, to play videogames after such an encounter! that's why he had to make up some dumb story and get it all out his chest!
It's literally counterclockwise you low iq apes.
>>739798712Not strictly video games but the thing that instantly came to mind was most Dragonball arcs
>>739798712I like the picture of magnus in the back there.
>>739811512According to you, this is a series of shapes whose arrows move clockwise
>>739798712litteraly the plot of capitalism
>>739811583look again, they never cross 360 degrees, idiot
>>739811651Nor do the ones that I drew
>>739810324the entirety of the horus heresy is an idiot plot, anon, what did you expect?
>>739811540idk what to tell you mate, the clockwise variant with c just feels more correct than counter clockwise variant with d. Yes, itt's stretching it, but the other one is stretching it more. Intelligence is about connecting things when there isn't even necessary a connection after all
>>739811213You're calling the logic of an IQ test "retard"
>>739811256Watch /v/ be unable to refute this.
>>739811256>intellifently
>>739810364>>739811004>>739811124>>739811316>>739811512the arrow has a shorter distance to travel in some of the boxes if it goes counterclockwise. there is nothing that suggest that it is turning counterclockwise between each box, the only thing we know is the its position at whatever time it was captured in the box. if the shortest distance between each box was counterclockwise, i would agree, but with how it is, this explanation is retarded
>>739811772i meant nothing to suggest its turning clockwise*
>>739811660yes they do, they cross over each other, the ones in the IQ test never go over 360 degrees
>>739811813None of those parts of a circle you drew there reach 360 degrees. You do know 360 is a full circle, right?
>>739811772>explanation is retardedno it isn't, its clearly clockwise as the clockwise movements don't go past the previous positions
>>739801310the man saw live entertainment and decided to be polite and watch
>>739811873Any possible combination of two clock positions are clockwise from each other in your definition
>>739798712Crisis Core. Classic prequel problem that wants to tell a story but needs to have the pieces falling into place at the same time.>turns out Zack was very overpowered and only died because of contrivance>b-but he's totally cooler than Cloud, please buy our merch>also we spent so much money on Gakt because Nomura has a hard-on for him, appreciate him reading this obnoxious book every time he appears
>>739811849they do if you add them up
>>739811849I'd pin you at about 102 IQ right now
>>739807696Is this another subtle way to say white men are bad or something?
>>739811906you have to take into account the other positions so they never cross, therefore they are moving clockwise
>>739798712TLOU2RDR2
All of them because I am very smart and could do better. So what if I have the full picture characters in a story lack, or even the knowledge that comes with having watched/read/played it already? I'm very smart they mist've been stupid to not know the villain had that weakness only revealed in the last act LOL!
>>739804036>>739811920Dissidia 012 falls also into this due to needing the characters to not understand what's going on and find a way to permakill them at the end so they don't show up in the thirteenth cycle.Pretty much the entire PSP prequel era for Square was cursed.
Sorry not Vidya but the most egregious example is sons of anarchy and that show pissed me off everytime I watched it. FUCKING HATE THAT SHOW>Inb4 why watch itFoid
>>739798712Any survival horror gameAny game that makes you collect things to get somewhere you could just climb over or break into Any game where you can just kill the villian but dont for aome reason
>>739812263nigger
>>739798712>Idiot plotsmy life..
>>739812417just stop being a idiot
>>739811651>they never cross 360 degreesHow did you decide on that rule
>>739812563It's trivially obvious
>>739812610No it isn't you fucking idiotThere are also sequences that don't cross 180 degrees either, but those aren't in the clockwise patternYou had to make up the 360 degree rule to justify the answer, and the explanation doesn't cover that rule either, because the retards that made this didn't think that far ahead
>>739798712LMAO I didn't know there was a word for this this applies to 80% of anime btw
>>739811557>hi, my name is goku, and im currently dead, so i can transform into a super sayian 3 and hold the transformation indefinitely cause being dead means i have no physical body(lets ignore i can still physically fight with alive beings) and no physical body means i dont consume any stamina>im also strong enough to defeat fat bu despite his infinite regeneration, but i think imma hold back cause a couple of 7 years old kids might be more suited to protect the earth, so i'll step aside and let them handle it>ops, now the earth is gone, and while i now finally decide to handle the fight on my own, saddenly i am alive again so my super sayian 3 doesnt hold as long as i need it too and i get tired using it, so even if im still technically stronger than kid bu, his infinite stamina and the fact he never gets tired plus his current form being completely and utterly irrationally savage makes it a far too difficult foes for me, but then, thanks to the help of the whole humanity(which by the way are still barely 1/10th of one of my fingers in strenght even when combined), i am now able to defeat bu>oh btw, this was fun, so as a last wish, i want to fight bu again, but lets name it ub so no one suspects a thing
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>What are examples of idiot plots?this thread with the whole arrows in a 360 degree turn debate, apparentlyif it weren't for this, this thread would be on its way to page 10 already
>>739810364Forget the clockwise part, what's this "black, white, grey" bullshit?
>>739798712>so you're that courier who damaged my cause in every way possible>I'm gonna give you that chip you're after but only if you destroy that suspicious bunker right under my tent (no, there were no other places I could build it)>you see I can't send my men there because they'd freak out from all the technology and refuse to die for me even though I actively seek out new weapons like when I tried to buy energy weapons from van graffs>I just can't trust them to have a taste of that life even though I routinely employ hundreds of loyal spies who live undercover as profligates for years>I also can't execute them after they're done because my legion is known for being very tolerant and liberal, I'd have a legionary union strike if something happens to one of them>I also can't send slaves there because I obviously can't trust them, unlike you legionkiller1488>and it's impossible to seal that bunker because it's been 200 years and the art of making concrete (or moving large rocks) is lost forever>and I can't destroy the chip because uhhhhm...>anyway go and destroy whatever is inside. I hope its activation doesn't resemble an explosion otherwise I'd have to make up an even stupider excuse to let you go. no I'm not gonna send anyone to check if it's really destroyed.
>>739798712steins gate. entire course of the game is retarded, cern's database vulnerability being an old computer that is in circulation is retarded
>>739811174>>739811491Please be patient, I have over nine thousand terminal autisms and they're all triggered. Muh autisms, muhfugguh. Muh tisms. Muh. Muuuuuuhhhhhhhh.
>>739798712>go into the cursed mountain full of spooky shit to rescue a girl>after running into lots of real ghosts and confirming the reality of paranormal phenomenon, I bring her back>the VERY NEXT CUTSCENE is the character I just saved waking up and immediately leaving to go back to the mountainThis happened like half a dozen times in the story, some characters did it more than once.
>>739810364>solution has nothing to do with abstract pattern recognition and instead expects you to go DURR CLOCK... DATS A CLOCK.....
>>739811557Not really idiot plots, the characters make idiotic, but internally logical choices. Most of them can easily be explained by “well he just wants to fight someone strong”. Stupid to a normal person, but internally logical for a tireless combat obsessed sociopath.
>>739800440He was being trespassed. If the cops immediately arrested him for trespass upon arrival like they want to, then a defense attorney could argue that he wasn’t on notice that he wasn’t allowed in the business, which is a necessary element of trespass.This is why if you ever watch police BWC videos, they ask trespassers to Leah for like 10 minutes before arresting them.
Every single Owlcat game.>Kingmaker is based entirely on the premise that someone was fucking retarded a really long time ago, and they're (falsely) promised things if they continue being a fucking retard. They believe it and are a retard until after the very end of the game where you tell them to stop being retarded, and they say "oh my god, you're right". All of your party members are retarded, straight down to the cleric who was betraying you the entire game because, well he's fucking retarded but now he's sorry for being a retard.>Rogue Trader is a series of retarded events that perpetuate because each retard decides to perpetuate them, from governors being retarded to the Eldar bitch being so dumb fucking retarded that she sells you out to the Dark Eldar and gets caught in the trap herself.One of the reasons I hate Owlcat games is because everyone is a fucking retard. Nobody is ever competent. The only competent party member they made was the little gnome Hellknight who seemed to be setting you up for betrayal but turns out he was playing devil's advocate to show that you're actually not a retarded cunt like everyone thinks you are.CRPGs are fucking trash.
>>739798712All Mass Effect and Dragon Age games
>>739799494yet you can't name 1
Every single Baldur's Gate is based around the fact that the God of murder is a literal fucking retard.
>>739813883people in this thread have named several jrpgs independently of that post and yet you refuse to respond to them. curious.
>>739813745im not saying you're wrong, but saying a character is retarded with the reason being that they're retarded speaks more about you being unable to explain(or maybe even understand?) why they're retarded than it speaks about them being retarded>they're retarded cause they are, thats why!that's literally your enitre post
>>739814018nta, but>you are only asking for example from the one anon who didn't give examplesyeah, duh?why would he ask examples from those who already gave them
All they had to do was sit down for 5 minutes and have an actual conversation about what was happening
>>739814082so are you targeting the original anon's personal integrity or are you targeting his actual argument? he doesn't need to give examples personally in order to be right, especially when other people have already done it for him.
>breaks into your house>shoots your wife in front of you>"I dont have time to explain, just go back to bed bro">walks away
>>739814280i am targeting your argument of calling out someone for having a normal question asked to the correct anon
>>739798712The first thing that came to my mind was Dragon Ball's android saga (it technically counts as vidya due to how many games covered this story).>Not using the Dragon Balls to find Dr. Gero before he completed the androids>Kami staying quiet until it's too late to warn Piccolo about Cell>The androids staying around Cell despite multiple warning that he plans on absorbing them>Krillin destroying the android shut down remote>Super Vegeta not only sparing Cell, but actively helping him achieve perfect form by attacking Trunks>Goku not telling Gohan about his true plan on how they could beat Cell>SSJ2 Gohan being cocky, giving Cell the chance to bloat up into a bomb
>>739814169>discuss what's going on for 5 minutes>paladin still refuses to go along with your plan because he's lawful good>but by now every single citizen has turned so you just smite the undead together happily4D chess
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>>739804390>police have better things to do than their job
>>739814516Am I wrong?
>>739814690Am I?
>>739814373it isn't a normal question and i explained why, it's unrelated to the argument. it's like asking someone to name their favorite games the moment they share any opinion you personally disagree with.
Here's the true IQ testhttps://www.sporcle.com/games/g/world
>>739814726You're avatarposting as the worst character from that "book", so yes.
>>739814389>Not using the Dragon Balls to find Dr. Gero before he completed the androidsDeliberate choice rather than ignorance/lack of smarts. They're chosing the martial path.>Kami staying quiet until it's too late to warn Piccolo about CellHe only had a bad feeling and he's not that close to Piccolo at that point. He told Piccolo when his bad omen was confirmed>The androids staying around Cell despite multiple warning that he plans on absorbing themVery true.>Krillin destroying the android shut down remoteIt makes sense on a romantic/emotional level, as in "I commit so hard to keep you alive!" but I agree Krillin should've kept it on hand, just in case.>Super Vegeta not only sparing Cell, but actively helping him achieve perfect form by attacking TrunksHubris. Does it count as idiot plot? I don't know.>Goku not telling Gohan about his true plan on how they could beat CellThis one didn't change anything, in fact it probably improved their odds. Gohan knew what the plan was the moment he started fighting Cell anyway (pic related)>SSJ2 Gohan being cocky, giving Cell the chance to bloat up into a bombResponse to trauma from seeing his friends being tortured, and immense sadistic rage/bloodlust. It's definitely not wise, but it's debattable whether it counts as idiot plot? I think?Well, still the weakest Dragon Ball arc. It had its upsides though.
>>739814726NTA but you're avatarfagging so yes
>>739814781So Im not. Noted.
>>739814546If they weren’t doing their jobs, they wouldn’t be there
>>739798712FF7Tifa pretending to be retarded and not call cloud out.
>>739813343>>the VERY NEXT CUTSCENE is the character I just saved waking up and immediately leaving to go back to the mountainMost of those characters were possessed at least. Only Miu went back of her own volition and essentially told Ren to fuck off when he actually tried to warn her. The real idiot plot part is the usual sadistic hell gate ritual nonsense but that's in every Fatal Frame game.>>739807058>>739814326I was just playing 8 last month and was going to mention this too. Shit was so stupid even his squad points it out.
>>739814909Yo'ud think they would try to, you know, lock the door or chain the girl to the bedpost after the first time it happened. Or maybe they could get into a car and drive as far away from the mountain as possible.I dunno, anything, really?
>>739814726Are you? About what? Needing to read the Bible to understand a VN? I don't think you really do. I think it's an unearned attempt at sophistication based on one random quote from the chuuni loli.Not a huge fan of Umineko but surely even a fan should acknowledge the biggest plot points rely on a bunch of adults waving loaded guns, safety off, at each others while discussing money matters.
>>739814907That's literally the opposite, it's because she's very fearful of the repercussions if Cloud's stability is questioned. Half these answers in this whole thread is speedreaders and video only watchers.
>game presents you with a choice>pick the smart option>game endsKinda funny
>>739815102>she's very fearful of the repercussions if Cloud's stability is questioned.What repercussions?
>>739798712Fallout 3 or anything by Bethesda
>>739813720>throwing shit around>punching glass dividersthe agents of the jewish legal system calling this a case of 'trespass' boils me.
>>739814515they weren't staying to fight. every undead was taken away to be added to the main force
>>739811772Every position 2 is in the clockwise-moving area between position 1 and position 3, which suggests a pattern. Not every position 2 is at a closer counter-clockwise position from position 1, so there is no discernable pattern from this.It seems pretty obvious to me. The variable rotation extent seems designed to trip people up, which it has done.What I'm saying is: get owned, low-IQ faggots
>>739810364>white has two facing right, one facing left>green has two facing right, one facing left>therefore blue must be the one facing right, since the revealed circles have one facing right and one leftWho else right answer wrong reason?
>>739798712Does it matter whether the author is aware that all the characters are idiots or not? Like is Burn After Reading an 'idiot plot'?
>>739798712Fire Emblem Conquest. The Nohr siblings and Corrin were forced into the roles of being idiots so that Aqua could have the spotlight.
>>739813745>(falsely) promise thingsPretty sure the Lantern King will really turn Nyrissa into an Eldest if she destroys 1,000 kingdoms. When her own kingdom is destroyed, you can let her drink from the cup. I don't know what happens if you don't give Shyka the crown of those elf ghosts, though. If you do give Shyka the crown, then they will retroactively un-destroy the Elf kingdom, causing Nyrissa to die instead of becoming an Eldest, which makes Lantern King seethe and go after Shyka.
>>739815264>>739815102Irrc it was because Tifa herself wasn't sure about the details outside of her knowing that Cloud wasn't the soldier Shinra had sent. In the scenes where Zack and Tifa were together Cloud's recollection was otherwise so perfect that Tifa started getting glaslit.
>>739815923>His memory is completely different than mine>Instead of bringing it up, I'm gonna stay quiet because of idiot plotChecks out.
>>739814962>lock the door or chain the girl to the bedpostPretty sure they were locking the doors, but neither of those would really stop Fatal Frame ghosts.>maybe they could get into a car and drive as far away from the mountain as possibleYuri's main goal was to find and save Hisoka, who's shop/house is on the mountain, and Miu's was to find her brocon mom. In context they have decent enough reasons to not just leave. By horror standards anyways.
>>739816001No his memory was spot on despite Tifa knowing that he wasn't actually there. That's what was confusing her.
>>739816042Miu found her mom and they remained. The two should have fucked off.Also, this isn't said straight to the player, but from reading all the notes, you realize that Miu's mom was in the fucking water box for FIFTEEN YEARS and she did not age during that time, which is why they look like they are the same age.Yuri did find Hisoka eventually, didn't she?
>>739816054To add the events nibelheim resulted in her getting stabbed in the stomach, losing a lot of blood and potentially getting memory loss from the trauma and lack of bloodflow to the brain. Tifa herself was piecing things together when she went into cloud's memory in the life stream and her succeeding in solving the mystery is what helped to bring Cloud back.
>>739804662yes that's the point. his crippling hubris was the only thing that could allow you to beat him. this is basic poetic irony.
>>739798949You could've just said Resident Evil Requiem in general, the entire game happens because the villains were both complete retards at every opportunity
>>739804160Does this count when it's actually a plot point that zeus and his gang were acting irrationally?
>>739798712Final Fantasy VII
>>739798712Starcraft Brood War. All of it.
>>739816054>I'm confused, but I'm not gonna say anything>Because idiotJust like you.Another fucking idiot.
>>739798712Final Fantasy VIII
>>739798712digimon survive in spades>character sides with omnicidal villain who captured its bff and plans to devour everything. just to spend 5 more minutes with its bff>other character resents humans as a result of being "abandoned" by its bff who barely managed to escape certain death, now works for said omnicidal villain that caused their separation>neither character ever stops for 5 seconds to think that perhaps the problem is the villain that's responsible for all their misery and instead they blame humans>neither chracter is brainwashed or coerced at any point in the story btwand that's just the tip of the iceberg. you have so many more it hurts>hound can track its missing owner easily>everyone else goes home to rest for the day instead
>>739798712This games plot is only possible because they made every single character from the first game lose half their iq points and if they just acted how they did in the first one 95% of the shit in this game wouldn't have happened
>>739798712Real life
>>739815351If he broke anything it would be criminal mischief and they would’ve arrested him sooner
>>739816158>Miu found her mom and they remained.>Yuri did find Hisoka eventually, didn't she?Both of those happen near the end of the game. I thought you were talking about why they didn't leave before then. And yeah I know about Miku actually being a 30 something year old milf that still looks 18 because of box bullshit the oyakodon with her and Miu would be insane
>>739798712Nothing can be worse than Pokemon Sword and Shield plot>The president is supposed to be somekind of genius>He want to stop the energy crisis that would happen in 1000 years later> He is planning to summon Space Satan, subdue Space Satan to gain it infinity energy. To do this he needs the help of the Pokemon Champion to fight Space Satan> For some reason he decided to arrange the final day of the championship as the same day he is going to summon Space Satan> The Champion (who still doesn't know about his part in this plan) say no since he has to attend in the championship final round. But he guarantee that tomorrow he would be free to help Mr. President with whatever he need. >President chimp out and summon space satan anyway instead of wait for a day or reschedule the final day.
It's C because there's already three white circles and three light circles but only two dark blue circles
>>739816594The idiot here is (you). It's all explained in the story. Tifa isn't the type of person to challenge Cloud especially in front of a group. She also knows Cloud is in a mentally fragile state because when she saved him he was barely coherent and barelt collected himself before the bombing mission.
>>739816863He’s not supposed to be behaving rationally, he wants to do it on that specific day so that everyone will see him as the hero
>>739813883The kiseki series
>>739811973You have a victim complex.
>>739805178QFT
>>739803367Which is retarded because with all the shit you get you should be able to assmble shit on your own.Fuck the fabricator could even produce the parts for ya.
>>739807931>Most of the answers ITT just blame characters for not acting like perfectly logical robots or not having clairvoyanceThey also give examples that are like one dude making questionable decisions when the point is that everybody is supposed to be fucking up when the situation could be easily resolved if any of them were competent.
>>739800731That whole game was a shitpost.
>>739816805in theory, but being a protected class muddies the response time
>>739804662I spent the whole game waiting for the explanation of why he did that and it never came, guess it was just a coincidence.
>>739815639This was the only conclusion I was happy with and went with c. The clockwise thing is some bs.
>>739817962it's a self-fulfilling prophecyAlbion tried to kill the dragonborn before he had a chance to grow in power, but ended up saving him. A mythology classic
>>739813745>>739814035A character being foolish and falling for lies until somebody works to convince them of the truth and see their mistakes also isn't an idiot plot. There's a literal definition in the OP and retards on here somehow still don't understand it and just think it means any plot that has somebody being an idiot or making a bad decision involved.
>>739811295Golden Sun is one of the only series I can think of where the protagonists are unquestionably the "bad guys" of the story for 75% of it. It's only once three of the four lighthouses are lit that they finally actually fucking listen and realize they were wrong.
>>739815658Yes, Burn After Reading is a comedy, but I would say that funny jokes and good plot conflicts both need to stand up to scrutiny. Idiot plots harm the conflict because they're basically like making a bad faith argument. If you want the audience to take the conflict you're presenting seriously then you should present that conflict earnestly and in good faith, that's what it's really about. Comedies don't care about the conflict but I would also say that making overly contrived joke setups and punchlines is a bad faith thing as well, as in you're not tackling the situation/observation that the joke is based on earnestly. And usually the result is not funny at all.
>>739817962some lorebeard probably cooked up an explanation having to do with both the dragonborn and alduin being related to akatosh and time or whatever the fuck, but the real reason is that bethesda wanted a cool intro sequence for their game (however, as with fo4, whether they actually succeeded in making something cool is up for debate)
>>739810976I think he still had to at least delay them so the plagas would have time to hatch, or Leon would just tell people at security that he's been injected with some weird shit.But all the attempts to kill Leon were downright counterproductive.
>>739798712Every faction in Fallout: New Vegas is "our political ideology would triumph if we just had ONE capable person to lead the charge."
Not cool>The characters being idiots is a requirement for the plot not ending at any given pointCool>The characters being idiots is the driving force of the plot
>>739798949Also the part in Residen Evil Requiem where Grace goes on a wild 2 hour goose chase to revive a dead man with artifical organs so that he frees himself of his restraints so she can take his bracelet, instead of just opening the restraints and taking the bracelet. God, Grace is retarded.
>>739818467You might be onto something
>>739817016Went and looked up a youtube video of the Kalm flashback and it's remarkably well-written. Tifa stops Barett from interrupting because she herself is curious as to what happened. She subtly questions and prods Cloud as to the accuracy of his memories especially in regards to the letter he can read in her room, using the opportunity to investigate both Clouds and her own recollection of the events. At the end of the flashback she did actually see cloud since he takes his helmet before confronting Sephiroth, but she was bleeding on the floor and half conscious. That coupled with Cloud be indisinguishable from a SOLDIER despite never having become in in the database that Tifa constantly checked created its own mystery. Tifa did actually try to confront cloud before the flashback but he didn't take the questioning which led to Tifa being more subtle during the events in Kalm.
>>739818467Also often missed: Everyone has to be an idiot for it to be an idiot plot. When a villain cooks up a dumbass plan and the heroes have to deal with his retardation, that is not an idiot plot, just a plot involving an idiot.
>>739818372>Leon would just tell people at security that he's been injected with some weird shitBut that's the thing, the two of them didn't even realize they had been injected until Saddler told them!Delaying them by shooting down the helicopter makes sense, but there's absolutely no reason for him to explain his plan or try killing either of them.
>Almost every example isn't an actual idiot plot despite there being a definition of it right in the OPThis thread's an idiot plot.
>>739809662>booker never recognizes any of the countless pictures and statues of his late wifeI see no reason why Lady Comstock and Booker's wife would be the same (parallel universe speaking) people.
>>739818779More often than that when this occurs there's nobody within the dialogue questioning the idiocy that triggered the plot, so that makes it seem like they themselves are idiots.
>>739798712every story every created, videogames or not
just about every single runescape quest is caused by the main character being retarded
>>739798712In the Hundred KnightThe entire plot is predicated on a single conversation that Lia and her older sister never had.Lia has magic AIDS and can't live outside of the "swamp", which is pure mana.Her older sister spends all her time making sure that Lia stays in the swamp, and keeping other witches from showing up and merc'ing her shit because she's cursed.Lia doesn't know that she has magic AIDS. She thinks that being stuck in the swamp is some curse her sister put on her.Her older sister doesn't know that Lia doesn't know. So she treats Lia like shit and resents her, because she thinks she's constantly acting like a brat and trying to throw her life away.Meaning that the whole reason Lia became the insane bitch she is, and the whole reason the entire story even happens, is because Lia's older sister was just a cunt for no reason.
>>739799496maybe what you don't like is the autistic
>>739805767Meanwhile the Dark Brotherhood questline is one big woman moment
>>739798712Don't know much games myself with this issue, but I've seen countless movies and TV shows where the movie would last like 10 minutes if people weren't literally retarded and picked the worst option every single time.I remember a movie about gender violence that was put in a class in high school and the whole ending was the most idiotic shit ever, everyone knew the abuser was in her new home, but in no single moment in life anyone called the police, leading to people fucking dying trying to protect the woman.Or that "based in a real story" movie about a french gender violence case where the woman was doing the most stupid shit imaginable every time and didn't ask for help from anyone until she killed her husband and came crying to court about muh abuse and victimhood.
Tears of the Kingdom
>>739798712Steins;Gate requires every character to act stupid for the entire first part of the story in order to set up the second part
>>739818149It doesn't help that the Protagonists are doing pretty GOOD stuff. They catch organized thieves, revert terrible curses, save people. Genuinely save people. But their quest is ultimately "end the world because some deluded glutton didn't want to lose his job."
>>739819859Honestly every quest in that game is retarded for various reasons.
>>739805178Natsuhi, Jessica and Krauss are all turbo retards for not realizing two of their main servants are the same person Also did they not ever notice when Yasu suddenly disappeared? Kinzo gets a pass since he's a senile old man already
>>739819146There's no indication they were the same person, yes.
>>739798712every jrpg
Dohna DohnaImagine how retarded a system is that allows someone like this guy to just walk into a building and pay cash to do horrid things only to leave a 3star review because the slut's catatonic.Big Corpos allowing it to happen and even indulging in it themselves just by tossing cash around is pretty stupid plot, I mean couldn't someone have simply reported it to authorities?
>>739798712Super Mario bros.
>>739811295You are retarded if you think that Isaac and co were "villains". Saturos and Menardi wanted to save their homes but their methods were dogshit and only served to cause chaos wherever they went.
>>739811295>They were appealing to alchemy users across the worldThat's not what happened. Many of these experts came to the conclusion themselves either by actually exploring the world or analyzing ancient documents and comparing them with present day shit.They left Prox and headed straight to Vale in an attempt to negotiate with the elders and failed. They then tried to sneak into the sanctum, bungled the puzzle and unleashed a massive trap that nearly killed a bunch of people on top of ambushing random children who were just trying to get away from the rain.Then three years later, Isaac and friends snuck in, solved the puzzles for them and the Wise One saved everyone from dying because the Sol Sanctum was booby trapped as the ancients didnt want some random retard unleashing alchemy. GS1 is essentially Isaac chasing down the prox duo because they kidnapped his friends and everyone is operating on half of the story (including Mia) because they were told that alchemy could kill everyone. Which is true, its just they didnt know that NOT bringing back would kill everyone else well because your "heroes" never bothered to tell them anything.
>>739819146They canonically are though.
>>739811167
>>739810364Fuck you Layton, this is bullshit.
>>739801668They literally have a mission where you as the UED commander betray yourself It's extremely dumb, but not as dumb as anything in SC2
the plotline of KOTOR 1 & 2 is an idiot plot all the way around>chimpalorians decide to start a space jihad because someone ought to, amirite>Galaxy Government doesn't give a shit because they're only fucking up the boonies>chimpalorians start committing atrocities, burning planets and wiping out populations to get a response>wise jedi council sits on ass about it>chadan the jedi knight with a midichlorian count high enough to choke a hssiss from space, along with his good friend jakoff, start the space crusades, picking up a force suck-buddy cheerleader along the way>wise jedi council malds about having to make a choice on whether or not to mald about the decision chadan has made>chadan takes control of Galaxy Govt's fleet, starts fucking the chimpalorians up left and right>along the way, chadan realizes precisely how retarded the entire rest of the galaxy is and decides he can and should take over>this culminates in luring the chimpalorians and the Government fleet into the orbit of Planet Evilchor V and turning it into a failed brown fucking dwarf>chadan immediately turns traitor, half of space joins him because war hero>the half that has all their warships, obvi>the wise jedi council ponders on whether to monitor the situation or consider their options>chadan and jakoff find the original space kangz, forcibly colonize their minds with the senate's common, and steal their force-powered rape machine>proceed to rape the galaxy>Galaxy Govt is completely buckbroken, unable to mount a defense>wise jedi council launches a hail mary, sending a strike team to kidnap chadan>they only succeed because jakoff sees them coming and takes the chance to stab chadan in the back and steal the stolen rape machine>wise jedi council decides upon the only sensible course of action to get chadan to spill his secrets>mindfuck him so thoroughly he even forgets he can use the force
>>739823064and that's just the fucking background>need someone to keep an eye on the legendary super jeedaiyan>oh, i know, let's pick the jedi girl scout, surely she will be able to handle the galaxy's greatest evil jedi tactician general if he gets out of hand because she's good at a passive force ability that's kind of uncommonish>put her in charge of do-nothing mission on warship, plant him on ship as a janny or whatever>cover blown in six seconds, warship down>goody twoshoesi waits for escapees at pods>only chadan arrives>chadan, who is singularly responsible for the chain of events that led to goody's family, home, and planet getting bombarded from orbit by his mentor>goody escapes with the guy who got his family killed>they buddy up planetside and find out Girl Scout is being offered as a prize fuckslave for a local space motorcycle race, which they win>goody swears to protect chadan with his very life in place of the family whose murder chadan inspired, completing the grandest gesture of cuckoldry imaginable>girl scout takes chadan to wise jedi council>jedi council decides to reteach chadan, because their inaction up to this point has painted them into the corner of letting this strongman run their world for them>set chadan on a quest to find a map to the rape machine they nuked his mind to separate him from>jakoff knows exactly where chadan will be going>does fuckall about it but send some chumps to take on the guy he watched single-handedly genocide an entire race>because everyone on every planet he stops at is completely fucking incompetent, they hand him every responsibility imaginable>allowing chadan to shape the galaxy to his whim>again>chadan heroically does the thing he already did, finds the space kangz again, then takes back the rape machine>now that the galaxy he destroyed to conquer is on its knees and ripe to be taken over, chadan decides it is the perfect time to fuck off into deep space forevermore for no particular reason
>>739800731Bulletstorm was too fun for its time.
>>739802458>Bullet Storm>A fucking masterpieceStandards on this board have gotten weirdly low and high at the same time.
>>739823172>force suck-buddy cheerleader comes back from fucking off into deep space>as soon as she gets back in the galaxy, Government scoops her up>this, predictably, puts her in the crosshairs of the temu killbot the incompetents on the ship have allowed into everything>shit goes to shit, the ship gets rekt>cheerleader is saved by chadan's robot on chadan's ship for some reason>which is apparently being piloted by Raggedy Old Bitch, the single most incompetent retard of all>this bitch has been personally responsible for the training of literally every person of any real import in this part of the story, and they have all been colossal, galactic-calamity causing dumbfucks>yes, including chadan>robot pilots the ship to the nearby gasteroid>which promptly explodes, thanks to the crew's incompetence and temu killbot's meddling>these idiots escape to twoshoesi's ruined home planet, which is teetering on the edge of collapse>fuck around and find a frigid cunt jedi master in a frozen drainage ditch>get the fuck out, steal a list of the rest of the jedi on the way>hunt them all down, again solving the problems of all the dipshits who have let their planets fall so far into decay that a space drifter has to fix them>Raggedy Old Bitch stabs the cheerleader in the back, which she has been telegraphing to her from the beginning, couched in cryptic bitch-speak>'come find me on Evilchor V if you wanna square up pussy'>cheerleader crashes the ship on the planet, stranding everyone who trusted her on a demolished planetoid>Raggedy Old Bitch reveals her grand master plan and her motivation>she hates the force that has sustained her for her entire life so much that she wants to kill it by murdering the cheerleader on the site of her greatest evil and failure which is also the site of the raggedy old bitch's greatest evil and failure>even though she could have just killed herself and the cheerleader at the same time because of their bond over being hollow cunts
>>739801151>>739813883E33
>>739818779yes and no.if the heroes play along, there'd better be a good reason>the good guys can't beat the bad guy unless they let him progress (e.g. bad guy's the only one who can harness the energy that can power an ancient jewel that can seal him for good. the heroes a make a gamble attempt to use his energy source against him)>bad guy is just pent up and they're just letting him blow off some steam out of pity. it's practically become routine and all the locals are well aware of it>the bad guy is simply too good at what he does. it's better to let the bad guy pull off some petty plot and fix the mess afterward lest he cook up a more dastardly scheme on a scale the heroes have no chance of stopping
"Dark-side" ending really was the only tolerable ending to KOTOR 1 in retrospect. And KOTOR 2 was just a mistake narratively.
>>739823064>>739823172How is any of this an idiot plot? The only thing stupid is the jedi council and they're repeatedly criticized in the story for their inaction. This is just you trying too hard to be funny while giving a point by point breakdown of what happens in the story as you occasionally criticize characters for doing shit you disagree with, things they couldn't have known about, or for things you missed the explanation to. And I say that as a Bioware and KOTOR1 hater.
>>739801348
Warcraft III and all of WoW.
>>739824316>uhh yeah let's just burn down the whole town. that's gonna stop the scourge for sure. hope you don't have any family here.they were fucked either way
>>739801461NTR plotlines in general are retarded. >I have this highly incriminating evidence (to myself) of illegal voyeuristic recording/rape. If you don't do as I say I'll show them to x or put them all over the internet
Arkham City is the standout example of an otherwise great game that depends on an idiot plot.
>>739816001>I found Cloud completely out of his mind and despondent>Now he's acting like an inconsistent schizo having mental episodes>Let me trigger him by outright telling him to his face that his memories aren't real>also he could kill us all singlehandedlyWhat could possibly go wrong?
>>739798712Steins;Gate and Umineko
>>739824609Stratholme isn't the exception. The entire plot of Warcraft is kept in motion by the characters being idiots.
>>739810364That's fucking horseshit, why wouldn't it be D) by their own logic?
>>739798712danganronpa and tlou2
>>739809026The arrows don't move, they are still, you cannot tell if it's clockwise or anticlockwise it's retarded
>>739804036>>Eraqus: "Why yes, my childhood friend went crazy, started talking about restarting the Keyblade War by reforging the most important Keyblade and gave me a scar by almost killing me with the power of darkness... but years later he sent me a letter full of regrets and dumped a potato kid on me, so I will trust him again with al of my heart!This is possibly the most egregious moment in the entirety of Kingdom Hearts. Imagine if Eraqus wasn't a colossal retard and just told Xehanort to kick rocks somewhere else ESPECIALLY after dumping Ventus on his doorstep.
>>739798712Despite it being old and crusty as fuck, I maintain the belief that Cry of Fear is a genius plot (except the parts where Simon refuses to climb over shit because game logic and invisible walls and a fucking bathtub in a stairway)
>>739811295If Menardi and Saturos merely (properly) explained to Kratos that their position was entirely justified and the 'wise one' was wrong AND didn't outright kill Issac and Garret for the crime of overhearing a completely irrelevant conversation, I'm convinced they would have had a much higher rapport and none of the drama would have occurred. Especially if they saved Felix openly during the storm instead of using him as a pawn. Everything that happened is a result of Alex being a secretive little nigger and Sat & Menardi being combative violent niggers.
Seek a door that carries a q
>>739798712Wow no one has said metal gear? Pretty much everyone in that franchise is a retard except for maybe Ocelot who just pretends to be retarded the whole time
>>739818372But the Plagas did hatch; when Leon coughed up blood, that was the point that they had hatched and were bonding to his nervous system. The real stupid shit was only killing the guy that made a machine to remove and destroy the Plagas from within the body and not DESTROY THE MACHINE AS WELL. Shit, it's literally the next few rooms over from when Ada distracts Saddler for Leon and Ashley to get away from him.
>>739798949She shouldn't even be looking for the cubes. Have you looked at the door that leads outside? You could break it open with a sneeze. This fucks me up every time, couldn't they design it to look more sturdy?
>>739818547When the guy gets up and she says "ugh, of course he gets up...", what the FUCK did she mean by that. What did you expect, Grace? Isn't that why we put the organs in, for the nigger to get up? You had some other plan?
>>739799494lmao all the hurt werbs on the replies
>>739813169It's normally printed out and in greyscale?
>>739802458>masterpieceyou only play AAA console slop don't you? do you even own a PC?
>>739827865>I literally can't fathom the idea of a good game existing on anything except the platform -I- play and likeWhat's it like to be no different from that of a common nigger, anon?
>>739799494Think it rears its head more in anime and novels than JRPG, beyond "I should probably say something, but I won't". They don't usually encompass the entire story. I hope.Miscommunication is dumb but I like petty drama.
>>739798712Every video game plot ever made from now to the beginning of new time.
>>739804036This isn't an example of the characters being idiots, this is an example of you not paying attention to the plot, making you the idiot.
>>739828014no you dumb nigger, i played that mid-sterpiece. Its a 5/10 i never bothered finishing, there's literally nothing above average to point at to even indicate that its not mid. The only explanation is that the poster was a retarded zoomer that's only ever played CoD on console or Borderlands sequels or some other pleb shit. The game is a 5/10, cope faggot.
>>739798712Is that Mangus?
>>739805767Bethesda makes games for people as dumb as they are
>>739798712>>739799494FFXIV:Endwakker
the idiot plot was you, the player.
>>739829046What's wrong with CoD on console, motherfucker? What shit do you play on your 4chan machine?
>>739829046Oh you're definitely black. Lmao.
>>739829824I regret nothing.
>>739829830>>739829840>What's wrong with CoD on consolebruh, why are you even here when you're this much of a shit eater? Get some fucking taste and then come back you fucking PLEB.I bet you watched all 5 seasons of The Goys and enjoyed it, i bet you retards even watched all of the nu-wars slop-shows lmao.
>>739830047CoD was awesome until the mid 2010s. You wouldn't know about that you worthless zoomer. Go back to blue prince or whatever slop makes you feel smart. Don't @ me.
Everything involving Hexxat in BG2 was so incoherently idiotic that she’s by far my most hated character in any media. My hatred of that entire plot eclipses my hatred of anything in real life, including politicians and muslims.
>>739805648>>RE4: Saddler is a fucking idiotSadler was purposefully portrayed as an idiot thoAt least in the original. Haven't played the remake since I heard they removed my favorite line (your right hand comes off?)
>>739815639I knew it was c or d and picked c because it just seemed more correct rather than havibg any concrete reasoning
>>739831539>c or dCORDORD
>>739798712Everything having to do with Serana in Dragonguard makes zero sense if you aren’t larping as dead pussy simp>be vampire hunter>go to vampire place to hunt vampires>find vampire (female) with an elder scroll>don’t kill the vampire because ???>can either bring her home to her vampire family, or bring her to the vampire hunter hq, where somebody saner would hopefully kill her>she is somewhat leery of going to vampire hunter hq, what with being a vampire, but in the end decides it’ll be fine>fortunately she’s right, since chief vampire hunter decides that actually you should indeed take the vampire with an elder scrolls up her ass to her vampire family (which he’s hunting)>you don’t even plan an attack or anything, you’re not being spied on by the other campire hunters, you just take the vampire lady back to her vampire family that actively prey on people which is why you join the vampire hunters in the first placeThe story keeping being similarly stupid later but I’m tired of writingfuck dawnguard
>>739817080Why would they guy who developed the energy crisis solving plan not be the hero because he did it a day later?
>>739829003>actually defending the writing of BBSThe only idiot here is you, because YOU'RE the one who was just drooling while playing the game
>>739798712Warcraft 3There was no logical reason on why Medivh had to be extremely vague and just told people to leave their homeland and travel across the ocean to another continent WITHOUT explaining why they should do that.
>>739832701Medivh is the ultimate>trust me bro
>>739798712Persona 5. Joker doesn’t punch Shido and either lives normally or joins in before becoming his right hand man with unlimited wealth and bitches.
>>739832550Why didn’t putin start his glorious thunder-rush in may, with long days of nice weather, and instead got his entire invasion force stuck in miles long convoys on firm roads (which were easily bombed to shit) because anything that wasn’t a road was one huge pile of mud in 70% of the operational theater?A 2 months long war is now a five year long stalemate because he liked cool numbers and thought they’d look nice in history books
Crysis. Your entire squad gets decimated by a floating space squid right in front of your face in a mission where you're trying to capture a researcher of spooky ancient aliens tech. No one thinks this is the slightest bit strange. The US marines are commanded by suicidal retards without the ability to delegate who won't re-plan an assault during a gigantic seismic event. The korean big boss doesn't kill you so he can monologue even though you're just some fucktard grunt.
>>739833332>No one thinks this is the slightest bit strangethere was clearly aliens shit going on>The korean big boss doesn't kill you so he can monologue even though you're just some fucktard grunt.He was a manlet so he couldn’t just shoot somebody over 6ft, the world doesn’t work that way
>>739801319This is actually not an idiot plot and more an example of joker villain logic, which is that the Joker(as a character) can literally do anything, obtain anything, or know anything that the plot requires. And that his plans can only fail when he either gets tired of playing or lets the good guys beat him.Aka the joker is complete bullshit, which is why they had him start off what quickly becomes the biggest idiot plot of all time(the entirety of injustice)
>>739826169>Pretty much everyone in that franchise is a retardnot true. even the villains make sense in mgs and are driven by logic and their personal morals (this doesn't make them idiots, you retard), which is a rare feat for most fiction, not just video games. when you can resonate more with villains like psycho mantis (I didn't when I was young, but adult me 100% does), it is a clear sign of a well-written plot and clever characters. this doesn't apply to mgs4, that one is absolutely retarded from start to finish.https://youtu.be/dAb7AKu2kgY?t=114
>gta 4>have like a quarter million in cash by the mid-point>most of the plot is still "your cousin’s debtors fuck with you and your cousin because you’re a deadbeat"Just.. pay them?
>>739800440>Black dude...>rent freeThis didn't happen>takeawayAnother lie. Be better about telling your fake stories.
>>739823932kek
>>739813883Final Fantasy X, Auron could have just straight up told everyone what the deal was but they were too dumb to question yevon
>>739807221It was Phantasia, and Dhaos didn't trust humans enough to tell them his motives since he got burned in the past.
>>739801729In the backstory they detail that Repliforce had friction with the Maverick Hunters due to some other highly publicized incidents they were the focus of, but for some reason this wasn't mentioned in-game. Colonel being a combative asshole is also literally part of his programming since he and Iris are two halves of one super soldier project that had to be split due to the power. Colonel lacks Iris's desire for peaceful resolution.
>>739802684Who's an idiot in Final Fantasy 1?
>>739804948The case in Apollo Justice where everybody insists a blind kid shot and killed a mountain of a man with his own revolver (which they note in-game is big enough that it would severely injure him if he fired it) then dragged his corpse UP A LADDER on to a stage is far worse.
>>739836869Black Mage
>>739807232Leon was only sent in to investigate to see if she was there at all. When they confirm she is they sent Mike.
>>739800328I remember first subnautica had a knife that fried a fish when you stabbed it.Now you can eat fishes while they're still alive in the name of non-violence.
>>739830470older than you faggot, i grew up playing DECENT fps games, not CoD-slop. The last time i had to play CoD i splitscreened an irl friend, he was extremely butthurt when i got him 6-0 with no practice or experience. Guess all those hours in Q3 and CS1.6/CS:S made the game seem babby-tier.Don't @ me either pleb.
>>739837581>Now you can eat fishes while they're still aliveEven my dog can do it tho
>>739832701> the guy responsible for summoning an army of evil aliens that burnt down my last two homes is telling me to sail across the ocean to a continent that he claims exists and there is no record of.Why the fuck would you trust him? >he didnt need to reveal himself he could have just said demons are invadingWithout an identity they would have just assumed he was a crackhead wizard and not believed him at all anyways.
>>739800731Jesus you must be an absolute retard. Bulletstorm was a comedy game that gave you points for the most ridiculous ways to kill the enemies. It was in the same vein as Duke Nukem or Crank. And the story wasn't realistic enough for your retard standards? What's next? Austin Powers doesn't behave rationally when he doesn't want a next card during the black jack scene?
>>739816863A plot so shit in the manga Leon points out how retarded Rose was being and they changed it so Rose was secretly right because the Darkest Day was going to happen much earlier.
>>739837973I remember the CoD spoof they made to promote this more than the game.
>>739798712My life.
Tales of Abyss might be the penultimate JRPG that does this.>Tear: I know my brother is hellbent on revenge on the entire world because they fucking destroyed his homeland. I absolutely do not trust him. I won't tell anyone WHY I don't trust him though.>Jade: This redhead of mass destruction is actually a replica and has every right to know because his mission would be going against the prophecy, but I'll keep it secret>Natalia: So the redhead's mentor figure actually fucking kidnapped him and started a full scale war between two nations. And he wants to take him away again? I'll let those two alone in Akzeriuth and not tell anyone about this.And of course once a small town of nobody attached to the party gets nuked they have to chimp out on the redhead that gets betrayed, knowing full well if they spoke up things could've ended up differently.
>>739838326*rapes you because you're dumb and nobody would care*
>>739837727Your dog doesn't say he's making a pacifist game because he doesn't want to allow killing animals.
>>739825296Every fiber of Eraqus' being is retardation. Every action he takes, and by extension every action of his three students which he raised (the three more or less being in complete isolation with Eraqus their only source of knowledge and how to act/behave) is grounded in stupidity.
>>739838607>Tales of Abyss might be the next-to-last JRPG that does thisESL post.
>>739837973>Bulletstorm was a comedy gameA really great way to hide the fact your game is dog shit, telling everyone you made it bad on purpose, as a joke.
>>739838264RANK UP MASTER SERGEANT CHIEF MASTER CAPTAIN SERGEANT
>>739835684Auron is a perfect example why the JRPG audience is retarded and the devs should never listen to them. He’s a paperthin character who basically spends the entire game just posing, going “heh” and doing and saying absolutely nothing useful, but the fans still cream themselves over how cool and amazing he is. He ultimately contributes nothing and he fucking sucks as both Tidus’s father figure and Yuna’s guardian.
>>739838607Penultimate doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>739813932His plan was solid, actually, except he failed to account for the key weakness every evil overlord has, your henchmen and evil seconds are also evil, selfish people that will stab you in the back and seek your power for their own the moment they get the chance.
>>739840426Ok yeah that was pretty retarded of me, English is my first language too sorry.>>739841404I'm realizing now it didn't.
>>739804662I didn't feel particularly motivated to stop the dragons after one saved my life
>>739801151You
>>739800440yes
>>739800440>Shake ShackThat sounds good.
>>739801461>>739824891Yeah, NTR plots in general are absolutely fucking retarded."He took a photo of me kissing my boyfriend, I have no choice but to have unprotected sex with him over and over again!"
>>739801668And yet somehow SC2 is even worse.>Raynor finally gets to get revenge on Kerrigan>Instead he kills his best friend to protect her>And then de-Zergs her>3 days later she escapes and re-Zergs herselfWhelp.
>>739802745>Or that you can't call out cerberus in 2You can do that in literally every interaction with the Illusive Man, though?
>>739810553Sad attempt at cope
>>739814280Big difference between 'any JRPG' and 'this specific JRPG'.
>>739842232Raynor is competing for the biggest simp in gaming title
>>739804948You say this, but then if you have to deal with police in real life you'll be amazed at just how fucking shoddy they are.I'll spare the details, but there was a situation I was part of where we had full CCTV showing the entire crime in action literally detailed in plain view as well as sensors showing that only one person had gone in and out. And they only even thought to ask about it like two months after "starting their investigation."
>>739826601or even jump out a window?
>>739806112Except the sonic blaster gun and survival multitool you get. Those can't hurt fish.
>>739798712100 line has a route called the Slasher route and everybody becomes 20 IQ points dumber
>>739811295Golden Sun is one of the examples where at a cursory glance it's an idiot plot, but if you actually look at the details you can see, "No, wait, it makes sense and everyone was acting as they best knew.">Saturos and Menardi tried to appeal to Vale for help and got rejected, because Vale's entire society is based around protecting the Lighthouses/Mountain>They tried to sneak in and get it done anyway, but were retarded and triggered the traps, which got the smart members of their team killed, and caused an avalanche>Now everyone in Vale hates them and there's no chance of diplomacy. So they say fuck it and act by force>Felix knows that Vale's entire culture is about defending the Lighthouses, so he thinks Isaac and co won't believe him, so he keeps secret >Isaac and Co were literally told by the voice of God to keep the Lighthouses from being litSeveral of the characters are stupid, Saturos and Menardi were too dumb to solve the towers themselves which is the only reason they didn't just win outright and Isaac kept catching them. Felix was being a woe-is-me retard and made no effort to fix things. The Wise One was doing his thing.But overall, the characters were all acting with knowledge they had and the plot is completely congruent.Compare with a game I like a LOT more, Xenoblade 3>"We keep getting attacked by Moebius! But what is Moebius!">"We just recruited someone from Moebius! Let's not ask him anything.">"Arrrgh! This mystery! What is Moebius!?">6 hours later>"Okay we just recruited another person from Moebius. Let's ask her!">"She won't say anything because Nia is going to exposition dump for us in 20mins."
>>739811540Clockwise means they never overrun each other. Counterclockwise means they do. It's that simple.
>>739823064>>739823172>>739823262Trying way too hard to be funnyI'm not even sure any of those twitter fags that screencap every post on /v/ will want this turd you shat out
>>739812958don't forget just intentionally ignoring Dr. Gero for a few years so he can build his androids
>>739798712I'd say Higurashi but I never finished reading allat.Either way I'm sure everything would have been much better if Keiichi just fucking told Rena and the others what he knew in a straight and honest fashion rather than endlessly lying and denying that he read a fucking newspaper article.
>>739813932Would have worked if his most trusted Cleric hadn't betrayed him.
Star Ocean 4 when the party agrees to give nuclear technology to the people of alternate earth, the retarded catgirl was the only one that objected
>>739815102>>739815264>>739815923Tifa knows for sure that Cloud's recollection is wrong, there's multiple times during his talks where you can see her looking uncomfortable, but she prompts him to go along regardless. Later, during her monologue we see her internal thoughts during those times, where she's fully aware of the things he's getting wrong (eg. He says they were apart for 3 years, she mentally corrects that it was 5 years etc).Plus everything about Nibelheim is correct, but he wasn't there, so she's completely clueless what's going on there.She knows that Cloud's psyche is absolutely fragile because she found him when he first came to Midgard and he was a total fucking wreck, he was manic and borderline psychotic. She took care of him and then he disappeared and started his mercenary work.None of this is compilation stuff, this is all in the OG FF7 game. This is all clearly shown on screen. We see Tifa looking uncomfortable during Cloud's stories, we see her prompting the others to shut up and let Cloud tell them anyway, we see her confusion about Nibelheim, we see her internal comments pointing out the inconsistencies and we see Cloud at the train station in Midgar as a complete mess.
>>739798712Directive 8020
>>739798712every single dragon quest game
>>739798712007 First Light
I'm a big FE Fates defender, but the Conquest storyline might be one of the worst of any videogame I've ever played.
>>739815923>>739816001>>739824934The one good thing that Rebirth does is actually have Tifa admit to Aerith right away that shit doesn't add up, then have the girls softly confront Cloud about it who treats it as an ailment rather than them accusing himtotally out of left fieldand then the rest of the game goes completely retarded and he beats the shit out of Tifa and throws her in the fucking lifestream lmao
>>739820017How so? Aside from Okabe trusting Shining Finger, nothing really stands out as wrong, and it's not like she needed the information he got from her. He's a nerd and she's a hot chick, it was the easiest honeypot in the world.
>>739798712I came here to add my voice to these anons>>739813204>>739820017>>739813204and to say that Steins;Gate is entirely dependent on supposedly intelligent characters acting like complete fucking idiots. It's completely awful writing, and Chaos;Child is way better.
>>739809662You missed a spot, the military guy who went mad and conducted a mutiny because he confronted Comstock about his stolen valour and instead of Comstock just explaining>yeah I changed my name because of some born again shit that would be considered not THAT unusual in this period of American historyhe sperged out and disavowed him.
A reminder everyone on this site is an idiot except me. Yes, I'm the main character. I'm also a frog.
>>739811252Hey that's not fair, the protagonist is cannonaly a retard
The entire premise of Persona 3 is that an entire company of the most well-paid, highest qualified, most brilliant scientists in the world all decided to commit mass-suicide.And only one of them said "No, what? This is retarded." The story just brushes over it, that plot point goes by so fast that you barely even think about it, but it's insane.
>>739845293cannoli
>>739837973Bulletstorm is a comedy that's afraid to commit to the bit, instead choosing to play everything so straight that it borders on parodyLike the only thing funny about the main plot is that nobody at any point considered that the obviously evil general might actually be evil, with much of the dialogue in the games latter half being the guy himself berating the rest of the cast for not noticing his overwhelming evilness
>>739844782>he beats the shit out of Tifa and throws her in the fucking lifestream lmaoThat was his one moment of lucidity.
>>739813883Tales of Symphonia.
the entirety of trickcal is idiot plot (good)
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>>739802745Mass effect 2 ending is my pet hate>nuke the entire home base of an advanced species>vs salvage it for tech, knowledge, data, enemy plans, maybe even data on reapers etcYou’d think anybody sane would pick the "take their shit" option but… WRONG! Blowing up their shit is The Moral Choice because otherwise idk, reapers and cerberus and why the fuck none of it makes sense shep does his own thing rather than what illusive man demands just fucking call alliance and give them the know how of going theremarauder shields being the final boss of the trilogy was a bit weird but at least there werent any retarded choices in 3
>>739849437>You’d think anybody sane would pick the "take their shit" option but… WRONG! Blowing up their shit is The Moral Choice because otherwise idkBecause all Reaper technology innately indoctrinates people and brainwashes them into doing their bidding. You literally just need to spend time around a reaper artifact and you'll end up brainwashed.This is a key plot-point throughout the series, but is completely abandoned in ME3, because that game was worthless fucking shit.
>>739849572But me3 basically said outright that Illusive Man became indoctrinated unwittingly
>>739845293That shit is 100% a cope by people who want to pretend this game's smart.It's like that excuse that he's based off an older AI that can't take in any new information when he clearly does take in new info in the game.
>>739810364How are you supposed to jump to the conclusion that a circle with an arrow is representative of a clock in the first place? Seems like the kind of shit only a wagie with a desk job staring at a wallclock all day waiting for work to end would think. Still got it correct with C based on the thinking that 1.) There was three of every color so there should be another filled in Blue (this is usually a red herring with these tho), and 2.) None of the arrows are pointing in the same direction so you choose the one that's different to match that pattern.
>>739800731You don't even kill his evil commander, game ends with him outright getting away AND fully turning your bro into a heartless machine post-credits. All you accomplish after losing your whole crew is rescuing a woman and downing maybe some of his henchmen, it was obvious sequel-bait that never came to fruition.
>>739844782Irrc the OG she stayed with Aerith but the game never hinted at what they talked about. Aerith having the patience and understanding of a saint in regards to Cloud even after he brutally assaulted her definitely hint at her being clued in as to Cloud's broken state either by Tifa or her life stream powers.
>>739813172kek, this part was so stupid. still can't believe people take new vegas writing seriously.
>>739844420The Tifa thing was handled well if you looked at the nuances of their interactions. Tifa is very gentle with Cloud especially aftet her first attempt at her confronting him failed. The real idiot plot happens with the team letting Cloud hold the Black Materia
>>739804498sometimes you have to punch stuff and sometimes you have to press buttons
>>739798712All of Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT, and Dragon Ball Super. Yes this is videogame related, there are like 60-70 Dragon Ball Franchise games that all go through the plot of the anime, sometimes in very excruciating detail.
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>>739848185Cute aggression is cringe
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>>739812563because its sane logic, otherwise the puzzle makes no sense
>>739807974every color has one arrow pointing somewhere to the left and two pointing somewhere to the right
>>739853805Super Butoden 2 got me to watch the show.
>>739849437That's probably somewhat intentional, think back to ME1, the Good/Paragon choices are all so fucking retarded that the only way you can ever justify choosing them is if you meta game it with "This is a videogame so it won't actually matter.">The Rachni absolutely devastated the Galaxy and this Queen could restart that war. She says she won't, but I have zero guarantees and obviously she's pleading for her life.>Whelp, guess I'll just trust her, all good.>These random colonists have been turned into zombies and my only way of treating them non-lethally is with an untested, experimental grenade that's going to put my entire team into danger trying>All good, there's no actual risk any of my guys will die because of me prioritising random civilians as I put them in avoidable danger>Wow, the Destiny Ascention is in trouble. It's a completely useless ship that cannot help in this battle, filled only with diplomats and we're fighting a war of extinction. We don't even know if we CAN kill Saren, but if we don't, we're all dead>Nah, all good. I'll sacrifice 30% of my entire forces to save that flagship because it's a videogame and so we'll beat Saren regardless.
>>739804948The funny part is they had the footage. They used it to prosecute the wrong guy. They just could not be bothered to actually rewind it and view the entire time period.
>>739799494Note that the topic is not “plots for idiots”
>>739853493>The real idiot plot happens with the team letting Cloud hold the Black MateriaYeah, that's a fair complaint. Cloud's powerful enough that it wouldn't have mattered either way, but that was dumb.
>>739852340>ow are you supposed to jump to the conclusion that a circle with an arrow is representative of a clock in the first place?its not a clock you tard, clockwise and anticlockwise terms come from clocks but can be used for things that are not clocks
>>739837973it insisted on itself
>>739802745>Or that you can't call out cerberus in 2are you retarded? You can talk shit about Cerberus in basically every important or semi-important conversation, including with Cerberus agents who you're supposed to be working with, and at the end, fucking Cerberus' plan to salvage the human reaper up is the good ending
>>739854087My brother pirated it on my Dad's computer when we were younger, and it definitely got me fucking pumped to finally see the anime.
>>739798712Everything i tried to think about ends in "character X doesn't reveal something because of reason y"That's not really Idiot plot, there is logic and reason behind it.>>739835684He doesn't want to spoil everything. Don't forget he was an believer and fanatic until the near end of his life. He doesn't want to form a group to take the system down but he wants to guide them and if they choose to do so he wants to be part of it. Plus there is all this you'r my best buddies children and a random stranger who dedicated his life to a dying mans last words.
>>739798712Seriously FE 3 houses.
Far Cry 4.Its funny the game just ends when you actually do the smart thing.
>>739805648>I think RE2 is the only one that "makes sense"Wrong.>RE2 : Nameless Umbrella grunt is a fucking idiotIn the original the dude gets spooked by a knocked over thermos, endangering sample retrieval in the process. In the remake the dude nearly kills William despite orders to bring him in alive.
>>739814909>I should just tell him before he develops immesurable psycological damage for what I've done>...No, it's cooler to be mysteryious and villanous
>>739811176there genuinely is thoughsorry you're not smart enough to glow
>>739855626No that's just one colossal fucking retard. There are non-retards in the plot trying to defend themselves from the absolute dribbling moron trying to murder everyone else for stupid reasons.
Red Dead Redemption>get off train>see black guy>shoot him>"GAME OVER: YOU HAVE BROKEN THE LAW">almost positive it wasn't against the law
>>739807058>>739856235The obvious reason Chris never told Ethan is because he knows Ethan is a mold monster and Chris just said fuck em BOWs.
>>739798712The trans of us
>>739807696its Cthere are 3 teal, 3 white, 2 blue, so its gotta be C or D to fit the pattern of 3 eachthere are no repeated angles of the arrow on any other circle, not even close, and D is far to similar to the bottom left white circle, while C is distinctly different to middle white circle and middle-right teal circle, so C is the only one that fits the pattern.
>>739798712Bahamut Lagoon
>>739856306Nah, everyone was also retarded>Should we come clean about the church and whats really going on>nah lmaoClaude also wants to be a retard for no reason and so does Dimitri. They are all retarded af.Though you could argue they didnt start retarded.
>>739800000CheckedBased Xenoscholar
>>739844782>The one good thing that Rebirth does is actually have Tifa admit to Aerith right away that shit doesn't add up, then have the girls softly confront Cloud about it who treats it as an ailment rather than them accusing himRebirth adding the whole "Cloud isn't sure if Tifa is the real Tifa" thing that starts in Kalm also helps a bit since she might think that denying what he says might make him more likely to turn on her (and he briefly does so anyway).
>>739818146It quite literally is a plot that only exists because everyone is an idiot.>There's a literal definition in the OP>"Kept in motion solely by virtue of the fact everybody is involved is an idiot and where the story would quickly end, or possibly not even happen, if this were no the case"Are you the one plots like this are for?Because you seem retarded and if you actually read the definition you were trying to say makes it not the case you would know that.
I guess Bravely Default just bad ends immediately if you do the smart thing.It's an idiot plot because you have to be an idiot to keep the plot going.
>>739802824>>739800080Naw Jade is 100% a contender for being a fucking idiot, despite the game trying to tell you over and over again about how he's a genius.The game tries to explain this as Jade being somewhere between "Not wanting to take responsibility" and genuinely being a psychopath, which is a pretty flimsy excuse already. But what really makes it a problem is that at a certain point in the game Luke has a personal talk with Jade about this and he recognizes that it's a problem and explains himself. So you think to yourself that he's going to grow as a character and change his ways, but then immediately he keeps doing the same shit anyways. That's when you know the writing is just full idiot plot at that point.He never apologizes, nor does anyone ever call him out on it. Everyone still trusts him despite him clearly witholding information a thousand times over the course of the game.Jade is definitely one of the biggest reasons why anyone claiming Tales of the Abyss has "Good character development" is a moron. The only character development is Luke doing a complete 180 (With no subtly or change over time, he just goes straight from being an asshole to a sorry bitch, he doesn't have to learn how to adjust over time or anything). Every other character only pretends to have anything resembling character development in a cutscene and then immediately goes back to their flawed self for the rest of the game, with no one ever commenting on it or acknowledging it ever again.
>>739804036bbs is so shit it's unreal
>>739854113JRPGs are both
>>739845130>"Should I explain what actually happened to Slate?">"Nah I wanna see him have a melty and fight my AU self, that shit would be so funny lol"
>>739854208still doesn't change the fact that there's no real discernible motion represented in the image at all unless you are going in first thinking of it as a clock or other rotary object moving clockwise, defeating the purpose of it being a test of unassisted and base pattern recognition.
>>739853372Aerith has a habit of siding with her abusers, see her complicated relationship with Tseng.
>>739817962it was a coincidence but like a cosmic destiny there are no coincidences coincidence>>739818261Alduin is an aspect of Akatosh the dragon of time, his job is to destroy the world so a new world can be born but he goes off script and decides to try and take over the world insteadby rejecting his fated purpose he is massively, massively, depowered but still strong enough by mortal standards to accomplish his goalto straighten things out and get reality back on track, a second aspect of Akatosh, the dragonborn, you the player is born
>>739810916It's moreso that Ollie thought the craftsman essayed him when he was being made and never bothered to just look at the fold with the message on itStill pretty retarded though, like I guess he'd be so traumatized from someone drawing a dick on his face that he'd just kill himself
>>739856937>It's an idiot plot because you have to be an idiot to keep the plot going.To be fair, that's the entire meta point: you have to repeat the old form (crystal story) rather than subverting it, the same way BD was an attempt for Square to get back to the same sort of basics.
>>739825226>The arrows don't move, they are still, you cannot tell if it's clockwise or anticlockwise it's retardedI understand the validity in this reasoning, but a psychologist would smile pleasantly at you while marking you down as fundamentally disabled.
>>739856835>Rebirth adding the whole "Cloud isn't sure if Tifa is the real Tifa" thingI haven't played the remakes but he if it's true he is just projecting what the player in OG FF7 was thinking while reading the stuff in her room
>>739854113Why are there so many ESLs in this thread?
>>739806112That would be fine, except the real reason is because the developers are virtue signaling over school shootings and real life violence. They know their stance makes no sense, is based purely off emotion with no other thought, and is not principled, so they wrote in the excuse of the soulless, debt slavery corporation that doesn't want to risk workers establishing power. The ironic thing is that they wrote in the very reason why their virtue signaling stance for not having weapons is retarded. Their retardation gets compounded when you factor in you can eat fish alive, cook them alive, and even burn them alive to make electricity. They have actually established that they would rather people be literal slaves to corporations where even death may not be an escape over the possibility that an innocent person might get hurt because weapons and violence are icky, and they are ok with the cruelest violence as long as it is on the most defenseless creatures, but don't you dare defend yourself against violent, hostile creatures.That is why people are disgusted with them. Their stance isn't principled, it is classic narcissistic virtue signaling.
I'm just getting tired of men being forced to be martyrs so that some a woman can live as the protagonist in a sequel. RE8, Last of Us, new Witcher (functionally dead)Fuck off build your own legacy and stop trying to guilt me into playing a woman
>>739798712Pokeymanz Rejuvenation. The main villain could literally just rewind time and kidnap the one fucking person she needs but doesn't, even after said persons (fake) death. She also admits to jannying you and when you fuck up the timeline (badly, VERY badly) she literally says she should've prevented you from fucking up.
>>739835684The only reason they had the ability to beat Yu Yeven is because Yuna went on the usual pilgrimage bro>Auron tells everyone>Wakka goes NUH UH BRUDDA NOT PUTTING ME YUNA THROUGH THAT>Lulu already lost a summoner and the whole Yojimbo situation, also stops the pilgrimage>Tidus probably goes insane because he knows, before even finishing the journey that lets him come to terms with it, that his dad (who he hates) he has to kill, so he probably becomes suicidal>probably somehow tells him he's dead, too, and break the group up>no one learns a fucking thing or learns to figure out clues for themselves>failAuron not saying shit is the only thing stopping it from becoming an idiot plot. It just also let him aura farm
>>739823064>>739823172>>7398232620/10 posts.
Idiot plots.
>>739820125>Manga fanfiction
>>739858605Real.
>>739849437Because you're leaving it to actual terrorists. It's like complaining that giving weapons to Taliban to defeat the Soviets is the evil choice.Shepard sitting in a cell for 6 months is my pet hate, but then I hate whole plot of 3.
