>>739812736
Old age is realizing you were a retarded adult and the stormcloaks were right all along

>>739812736
The imperials can't even put Skyrim in line and I'm supposed to believe they will repel the dominion?
Cyrodil has failed. Independent states is the only alternative to Aldmeri supremacy

>>739812736
Be coming a submissive globohomo bitch isn't maturity, just a cuck's cope.

>>739812736
Both teenage me and adult me agree, kill both factions and conquer Skyrim for myself.

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>>739812736
Childhood is thinking the Stormcloaks were cool because ensiferum vikangz snownigs lol

Growing up is thinking Imperials were cooler because VGH ROMA

Adulthood is realizing Stormcloaks are right because the empire is usurped and is cucking out to the elves with "trust the plan for 2 more weeks talos patriots are in control"

Being based is wanting all imperials to be raped and killed because an OLD UGLY SEETHING KAREN IN POWER wanted to cut my head off and the impericucks were okay with her raping the law and murdering me on the spot - proving they really are murderous traitor golems that need genociding

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>>739812736
I'm gonna go with the fuck both your factions faction

>>739812971
>>739814291
low IQ midwits desu

>>739812736

Based. Exterminate nordgroids

>>739812736
Imagine being a cuck for the people who were going to execute you despite having committed no crime. >>739812736

>>739812736
>Childhood
Holy fetus

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>>739814397
they both support gay marriage

>>739812736
ulfric did nothing wrong

>>739814397
Cope and sneed bitch nigger

>>739812736
>Childhood is thinking the Stormcloaks were right
true
bethesda intentionally has the empire attempt to execute your character in an attempt to tear down the goodwill you, the player, has built up with them over the last 3 games
stupid players won't see that, and their childish, vindictive nature will lead them to join the stormcloaks

>>739812736
Adulthood is realizing that nords are -10 IQ mudhut dwelling savages who are going to get easily steamrolled by the dominion

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>still over 40% nord
Skyrim is in severe need of diversity, I'd say we take every village in the region and dump 200 khajiit on them.

>>739813860
>Being based is wanting all imperials to be raped and killed
t. Thalmor infiltrator

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>>739812736
We get it, you're a leftist cuck who loves immigration

>>739812736
Adulthood is not caring about the plot of a videogame for children

>>739814723
Conservatives are slaves to Israel aka the Thalmor so this makes sense they’d choose the psyop’d side

>>739814703
go behead more nords for no reason, piss elf nigger

>>739814780
Nords need stop being snowniggers killing other humans and each other first

>>739814723
>Liberals love imperialism because it's alternative is le racism

>there are actual self inserting alt right cucks who think Stormcloaks are right despite being controlled opposition manipulated by the ((Thalmor))
Grim but not surprised in the slightest.

>>739814778
In what fucking world do you live in where democrats aren't also cucks for kikes?

>>739814848
nords are not patrolling cyrodiil, looking for impericucks to slaughter for no reason you double projecting piss elf NIGGER

I love cats but I find Khajiit despicable for some reason.

>>739814878
you are brown and ESL

>>739812736
The Stormcloaks have justified grievances, but they choose the most retarded and destructive way to resolve them. The Empire quite literally sacrificed everything to not be overrun by an ascendant Dominion. They should have negotiated Home Rule or some other form of autonomy first instead of going full ooga booga barbarian mode

>>739813860
>because the empire is usurped and is cucking out to the elves with "trust the plan for 2 more weeks talos patriots are in control"
The game tries to sort of balance the factions' arguments but all of the pro Empire arguments only make sense to me if you take them at face value. "But the Empire is totally rebuilding you guise so you NEED to let elf Gestapo agents run amok in your country!", "Skyrim can't fend for itself, even though it is probably the most defensible region of the Empire!", etc.

Also, Hammerfell broke off from the Empire is doing fine and no one, neither in game nor online, is bothered by this, yet when Nords want out as well, suddenly it's an issue? If anything, the Empire should just abandon Skyrim and go into a cooperation agreement with them. Focus on reducing overstretch and don't waste troops fighting against Nords.

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>>739812736
She was just doing her job but /v/cels can't handle it because she was a woman.

>>739814892
>thinks you must by necessity be a Democrat if you aren’t a cuckservative
Oh I’m laffin

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>>739814931
Me too. I hate khajiits and I hate khajiit players even more. I see a khajiit I fucking KILL IT.

I have 2 cats.

>>739814912
No, Nords are just killing each other like animals in a completely avoidable civil war lol

>>739814931
I think Khajiits are hilarious

>>739815031
>just let thalmor agents disappear people bro why are you so mad

>>739815006
It's probably because they act like jeets.

>>739815074
>The Thalmor are evil, therefore I must murder the next towns pro-imperial thane and start pillaging the countryside
lol at Nordgroids

TES lore is just fantasy racism and TES lore discussions are just covert racism.

>>739812736
False.

>>739812863
midwit
the imperials only being able to send leadership to Skyrim (Tullius) shows that their man-strength is literally elsewhere
the situation vs the dominion doesn't change in a stormcloak or imperial victory. Stormcloaks would be retarded to not send aid / support in the event of an imperial offensive or an aldmeri invasion; dark brotherhood quest line shows that cooperation between the 2 is still possible after a stormcloak victory
meaning that the real consequence of the civil is war: paperwork
can stormcloak generals and imperial generals work together? can stormcloak and imperial troops not get into regular brawls at camp? Will existing nord imperial troops want to keep serving with the empire when stormcloaks are right next to them? Will the empire try to coax their complacency?
this is the real interesting thing about the conflict and it's not in the fucking game
an imperial victory has some of the same consequences, but mainly to do with politics vs the dominion IE: talos worship outside of Skyrim

>>739815063
They are disgusting. They act like rapefugees.
>come illegally in caravans
>start selling drugs just outside the cities
>talk in a weird and annoying manner
>always found as goons for criminal or overall shady organizations

>>739812736
we thalmorposting this early in the morning?

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>>739813860
All I wanted in the Dark Brotherhood was to take those elder scrolls I couldn't drop for some reason, and instead of assassinating the Emperor, force him to read them one at a time while wearing Cicero's jester clothes.
And while he slowly went blind and insane, as the last survivor on a ship filled with dead guards and sailors, to subject him to ASMR in a voice that sounded like Glomer from the Punky Brewster cartoon.
Why does Todd insist on crushing all dreams.

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Skyrim belongs to the frost trolls. Men, mer and dumb giants GET OUT

>you have to take in infinite immigrants!
>you can't depict God as white anymore, that's racist!
>you have to pay taxes so we can protect you from the people telling you you can't depict God as white anymore!
You would seriously support this?

>>739815418
>scream if you love Lithuania

I'm a Breton Knight who kills entire Orc strongholds. Orcs get out of Skyrim.

>>739815418
Soitrolls

>>739815121
Those pro-imperial Jarls accommodate those Thalmor and must therefore be killed, yes.
>pillaging
That's just what war is like, yes. Do you think Nords should sign an online petition or what?

>>739812863
they would've ended the war in helgen if not for alduin

>>739812736
Which side wants to kill the je-Thalmor?

>>739815305
Why should Skyrim serve the Empire? Why should then people of Skyrim live under elven oppression for the unspoken promise of the Empire one day overthrowing the Dominion? Why are you implying that the Empire is fighting the Dominion in some unspecified front while the reality is that the Empire is effectively subjugated by the Dominion?

If Skyrim can rid itself of the elven influence by declaring independence, that is a good thing. If the empire acknowledged Ulfric's claim, or decided to allow the Jarls to hold a Moot and elect a new leader, and pulled out of Skyrim, everything would be better for everyone except the dominion. The civil war happened because the empire cares about its land more than it cares about its people.

Nords stopped being a military might once they stopped using magic and confirming the stereotypes of dumb brutes.

>>739814931
ok Pelinal, calm down we've already been through this once before

>You don’t understand, I NEED to kill anyone here who’s even slightly pro-imperial or has connections to the Empire because we need Skyrim to be free o algo. Now give me all your grain peasant. It’s for the war effort.

>>739815305
>the imperials only being able to send leadership to Skyrim (Tullius) shows that their man-strength is literally elsewhere
>them being weak is actually a sign of their strength!!
This is what Empire sisters actually believe

>>739815560
Yeah, out of pure luck. And Ulfric then escaped out of pure luck. After those events the fate of the war is decided by one (1) dude

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>>739815586
>"FUCK YOU MEAN THEY AREN'T MER?!"

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>>739814954
Killed the whole fucking faction in 2 lines of dialogue lol
Now impericucks MUST argue from a position of subservience and cuckoldry whenever they shill their slave faction. They CANNOT justify it.

ITT retarded lorelets

The nords are probably the strongest and most fearsome race in TES. Ancient Nords could fucking obliterate people with a whisper. Their mages were some of the best and capable of going toe to toe with the Dwemer. Under the Empire they have become mud hut dwelling snow niggers. And the Empire is globalist libtard nonsense clearly on the decline and not what it once was either. It's not inherently a bad thing for Nords to go their own way.

>>739815586
>>739815687
Funnily enough: his elfdar was right. They really are mer. It's just that they're needed as a backup tower so he had to leave them alone.

>>739815530
>Those pro-imperial Jarls accommodate those Thalmor and must therefore be killed, yes.
Where in the game are they bending over backwards for the Thalmor? Only begrudgingly do they even allow elves. Indeed, the fact that it is a civil war shows that the Stormcloak opinion is not what the vast majority of Nords believe or support.
>That's just what war is like, yes.
You typically pillage the lands of the opposing side and not your own people.

>>739815670
>Yeah, out of pure luck
headcanon

>>739815570
>serve the empire
defeating the dominion is not serving the empire. if you hate the empire for policing talos worship, you hate the dominion for outright not believing he exists (and policing talos worship and invading human lands)
>>739815624
I didn't say the empire was strong. I said their army is somewhere else. Posted on the other side of a river from an elf army. Moving that army might give the elves ideas

Fucking lusty argonians

>>739815752
Nords became mudhut dwellers because they have low IQ’s

>>739815752
You said it, ANCIENT Nords. The actual Nords are literally just dumb brutes who shun all sorts of magic. They are just Orsimer lite but in an actual war they would get raped because any concept of using magic is weird to them.

>>739815808
I am

>>739815752
Skyrim needs a Young Turk type movement, who get rid of the retarded Jarl system and modernize the country.

>>739812736
Wtf? Neither side is right, they're both being manipulated by the thalmor into fighting each other so the elves (Jews) can take over in the aftermath.
Did you even play the game??

>>739815770
>Only begrudgingly do they even allow elves.
Aww they only **begrudgingly** cuck out the Thalmor. Well then it's okay of course lol
>You typically pillage the lands of the opposing side and not your own people.
And this happened when exactly?

>>739815898
Anon actually paid attention

I'm certain empire shills are liberal western europeans specifically the germs, frogs and bongs. Associating american right wing with the stormcloaks.

I just can't prove it yet.

>>739815774
>if you can't destroy the Domion all over Tamriel in one move then it's not worth rebelling and freeing your homeland in the first place
Extremely cucked take

>>739814878
>>739815898
Retarded non-argument by midwits who can read but apparently not understand information unless a lore youtuber tells them what to think, the Thalmor want the Empire mired in a war against Skyrim, they do NOT want either side to win. If Stormcloaks win this is objectively worse for Thalmor.

Urge to install modded Skyrim again, but it's such a pain.

>>739815898
No shit, but letting the civil war continue only benefits the thalmor. Either side winning is bad for the elves, we're just debating which side winning is better for Skyrim

>>739815687
>>739815768
Khajiit come from the same Old Ehlnofey "ooze" that the Bosmer were made from, and the Old Ehlnofey that didn't start wasting away as ooze had already became the Aldmer. So yes, Khajiit are Mer in all but name.

Pelinal was sent specifically to deal with the Ayleids, but he's a bit 'tarded and thinks anything with pointy ears are the same

>>739816014
Why are you quoting me?
>If Stormcloaks win this is objectively worse for Thalmor.
Smaller country with a bunch of brutes who don't even use magic. They are as defenseless as a naked maiden on a road.

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>>739815918
Elves state explicitly they don't want either faction to win so the prolonged Season Unending is their desired result. You are not smart by shoving that fence up your ass. You are just a dumb smelly midwit newfag nigger with your shit neutral take, parachuting in fourteen years later. Pick a side and bleed.

>>739815918
No, he didn't you retarded nigger
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak
>although it resulted in Ulfric becoming generally uncooperative to direct contact.
>A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided

>>739816096
He did nothing wrong. We need Pelinal in these dark times.

>>739816097
>They are as defenseless as a naked maiden on a road.
- surrounded by forested mountains on three sides
- frigid coast to the north
Yeah, so hard to defend, excellent point, fellow Thalmor sister!

>>739815982
>in order to free my homeland, I must kill thousands of my people and other humans and destroy the entire country economically…BECAUSE I JUST NEED TO OK

The war and Thalmor will be irrelevant in ES6

>>739816127
Yes, they explicitly are hoping the war drags on so that both sides are weakened from the fighting and easy to steamroll and conquer

>>739816265
Thousands? We'll kill millions and it will based, you limb wristed sissy

>>739812736
I let Tullius execute Ulfric so that everyone would see Imperial justice done rather than having those nord fucks think that ooga booga, dragonborn strong, might makes right!

>>739816237
The Redguards had the desert and they needed remnants of the Imperial army left there to help them in gorilla warfare.

>>739816354
>I MUST kill millions of my own people
Stormcloaks are Bolsheviks confirmed

>>739816265
You are literally arguing against fighting for independence at all. You realize that your country only exists because sometime down the past your people fought a bloody war for their independence right? I don't even know where you're from but this is true for 99% of the countries on earth

>>739812736
Why should we hate the Thalmor again?

>>739816420
My country became independent through a legislative decision :D
We did fight a bloody civil war instantly after that, though

>>739812736
t. mutt

>>739816420
Yes, it’s smarter to defeat a more immediate threat to your existence (extremely powerful and genocidal eleven empire) than it is to kill your own people in a war that will leave you weak enough to be steamrolled anyway. Stormcucks are low IQ snownigs who can’t think long term

>>739816127
>selective quoting
>The incident at Helgen is an example where an exception had to be made - obviously Ulfric's death would have dramatically increased the chance of an Imperial victory and thus harmed our overall position in Skyrim.

>>739816501
I'm mad. MAD ABOUT ELVES!

>>739816416
True but Skyrim's terrain is even better suited towards gorilla warfare, unless there is some bullshit "The Thalmor have flying B-17 equivalents actually" thing in the lore I am not aware of

>>739816518
hold on, were the thalmor actually in control of aduin?

>>739816517
But that is literally the case
The pozzed empire IS the immediate threat. Imperials are hunting down Talos worshippers on the elves' behalf

>>739815982
I did not endorse the empire
all I said was that stormcloak interests and imperial interests have alignment and how they negotiate those alignments will define the fate of the continent. and existence in the case of the elder scrolls
the dominion destroying a skyrimless empire doesn't bode well for Skyrim - therefore, Skyrim should help the skyrimless empire - as shown in the dark brotherhood quest where they are capable of talking to each other

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>>739816610
>The pozzed empire IS the immediate threat. Imperials are hunting down
Half the legion still worships Talos in secret anyway. This sudden hate for Talos worship isn’t actually true. The empire isn’t demanding total Nord Death and enslavement like the Dominion is.

>>739816665
You are getting your ass handed to you ITT

>>739816518
Either is undesirable for the Thalmor. Those previous anons were implying that the Thalmor support the Stormcloaks' aims in some 180 IQ strategy to further their goals when, again, all they really want is for the Empire to bleed soldiers in a pointless war for as long as possible. The difference is that an Imperial victory will mean even greater repression by the Thalmor, which might not be their primary goal for the time being (that main goal being destroying the Empire) but they'll still happily disappear people for worshiping Talos.

>>739816610
They weren't. They literally got their hand forced because Ulfric was a Thalmor assett who made a fuss about Talos worship despite the law not being enforced before his chimping out.

this thread caused an itch, post comfy/lore vids

>>739816097
I'm sure germany's invasion of russia will go great next time guys
Snow? Get over it you limp wristed pussy

>>739816610
>Imperials are hunting down Talos worshippers on the elves' behalf
they don't, that's why thalmor had to bring justiciars in

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>>739816663
Yeah but neither side is backing down. Both Ulfric and the Emperor want Skyrim to themselves. It would be best if they decided not to fight but the player cannot achieve that, the player can only choose a side to win the civil war

>>739816709
It doesn't matter, the empire has to hunt down Talos worshippers when the dominion orders them to. It's literally the event that set the civil war in motion
>>739816754
>>739816838
>they weren't hunting down talos worshippers on the dominion's order except for when they are ordered to hunt down talos worshippers on the dominion's order

>>739816935
I say again, a post civil war environment, as shown in the dark brotherhood quest line, has the two sides talking

>>739816935
Maybe Ulfric shouldn't have chimped out like a monkey.

>>739816935
> It doesn't matter, the empire has to hunt down Talos worshippers when the dominion orders them to. It's literally the event that set the civil war in motion
No, the empire was ordered to imprison Ulfric or immediately restart the war with the dominion. The imperial legion isn’t actually acting as a secret police force on behalf of the Dominion

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>>739812736
National Socialism is never wrong.

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>>739817048
kek

>>739817048
gaddamn
Gaddamn
imagine getting toasted by Skyrim "Land to Melee" "Dragons"

>>739816789
If Russia had just had a devastating civil war WWII Germany could have destroyed it pretty easily

I am Pro Stormcloak, because the Thalmor need to destroy Talos worship to destroy the world. I am not too deep into the lore, but apparently Talos is something like a tower. Or maybe it's the throat of the world, not sure. But the Stormcloaks would prevent the Thalmor from doing both of these things.

It's also the best shot at reviving old Nord Customs like using the voice for war again like they used to, when they had a huge Empire of their own. Imperials offer nothing but a slow inevitable decline.

>>739817023
>The empire doesn't do what the elves order them to
>Unless the elves order them to
It doesn't matter if imperials cry tears of sorrow while gathering up talos worshippers to execute or serve to the thalmor, they're still doing it

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>>739817013
>Forsworn (Elder scrolls equivalent to Isis terrorists) take over city
>Ulfric reclaims the city when the Empire was unable to
>Puts down rebellion (libtarded imperial scholars unironically claim the Forsworn was "mostly peaceful" lmao)
>Is betrayed by the Empire and arrested anyway
If you don't see a problem here I don't know what to tell you. Genuinely, how much humiliation by the a Thalmor cucked Empire would you be willing to take before you decided it was time to rebel?

>>739817315
>Puts down rebellion
He killed a shit ton of native Nords who supported him because he couldn't tell the difference

>>739817048
With how Skyrim is balanced the Troll might actually win

I prefer the Stormcloaks, the entire war is ended with the Dragonborn taking a few forts and two cities and if the Empire doesn't back off at that point they're just retarded and suicidal

Stormcucks are literally incapable of existing without the DB siding with them to prop them up.

They literally already lost to Tullius before the start of the game and he was only using local conscripts. They'd be straight fucked if they ever had to fight an actual imperial legion or the aldmeri dominion.

>>739817583
>Empire can't even field anything more than local conscripts to win the war, to the point where the Tullius gets captured and beheaded
>This empire will somehow overthrow the dominion (who ALSO couldn't send any troops, apparently) and save Skyrim and humanity

>>739817023
>>739817315

>>739817583
Yeah but what if Ulfric kills more jarls though? What then, smart guy?

>>739817727
If Ulfric was truly based he'd curtail the Jarls' rights and transform Skyrim into a centralized kingdom.

>>739817727
>Ulfric killed Torygg
>the one guy who would've supported him
Ulfric is a massive retard for that one

>>739815770
>Indeed, the fact that it is a civil war shows that the Stormcloak opinion is not what the vast majority of Nords believe or support.
Popular uprisings are a hollywood invention. The vast majority of rebellions and revolutions were fought by a comparatively small group of ideological hardliners and disenfranchised people with nothing to lose while most of the populace remained largely neutral and trying to just get by. This isn't inherently an indictment of the Stormcloak cause. It takes far fewer people to drastically alter a country than people generally assume.

>>739818691
>killing a weak puppet king in a duel to publicly demonstrate your commitment to your cause
This very likely gained him a ton of supporters and a myth to build up his image which is important if you want to lead a rebellion.

>>739817696
Tullius can only be captured if the DB does all the heavy lifting for the stormcucks. The game even shows you in the opening cutscene that Tullius didn't need an actual imperial legion to win the war and was more than capable of doing it with the local garrisons.

There is no future for Ulfrics weak ass rebellion. In the event he wins he either gets stomped by an actual imperial legion that shows up to retske it or the adlmeri walk into skyrim and roll over them.

>>739818691
Torygg could have refused the challenge and declared Ulfric wins by default. He chose to fight for the throne
Ulfric is a selfist egomaniac, but so is everyone else involved in this conflict. Torygg and the Emperor want Skyrim for their own as much as Ulfric does

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>Tullius could be out there
>If I go out, I'm finished
Stormbro...

>>739818954
People forget that the Imperials in the Civil War are nothing more than just a Nord Militia.

>>739818691
>>739818905
>>739818980
Wasn't Torygg just a boy? Not only that but Ulfric cheated by using dragon shouts.

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>>739819050
>the Empire doesn't defeat the Stormcloaks because it doesn't want to, okay Chud?

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>"People are rightly stirred up about the damn Thalmor being allowed to roam around arresting people, just for worshipping Talos. But was it worth tearing Skyrim apart, and maybe destroying the Empire? No, Ulfric will have a lot to answer for in the end. Nords have always supported the Empire, and the Empire has always been good for Skyrim."

>>739815819
No, it just became part of their culture to live simple and basic. Ancient Nords built huge underground cities and had advanced magic, so they are capable of being smart. They just regressed for reasons that aren't fully explained

>>739815830
Nords and Ancient Nords aren't different races. Just different cultures

>>739818954
Obviously not true, the game doesn't portray the civil war any easier just because you side with the Imperials

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Daily reminder that total elf death and total imperial death are mandatory and will not be interrupted for any reason whatsoever.
>b- but you fight against fellow nords
Yes, and we'll kill trillions more of elven raped nords in name only

IMPERIALSISSIES LOST
THALMORSISSIES LOST
DARK ELF SISSIES LOST

HAIL GOD EMPEROR ULFRIC
HAIL MSGA
DRAIN THE SWAMP
ARREST ELISIF NOW

>>739819586
piss colored hands typed this

>>739819586
The Thalmor literally won thoughbeit

>>739819050
Imperials vs stormcloaks is basically a racial IQ test.

Whites can understand that they're ultimately an unfortunate victim of circumstance and that there are larger things at play that resulted in their unjust (almost) execution. They can accept the apology of those who personally wronged them and then work together with them in pursuit of a greater goal for all of their society.

The brown can never accept an apology from someone who wronged them and they will burn down their entire society in an attempt to get even for being "disrespected". They are incapable of long term planning and can't think of a future beyond the next 5 minutes.

>>739812736
For the longest time I thought it'd be retarded in the big picture of things not to side with Imperials. Then recently I read the 4th era timeline and now I'm leaning to think that the Stormcloaks prpbably offer the best future for Skyrim. The empire is shattered and the ruling dynasty is just some random warlords. They have neither the power nor the legitimacy they pretend to have. The Thalmor are the real enemy yes, but seeing how the empire left Hammerfell on its own against them you know they'd sell out Skyrim just as easily.

Of course, these days I still always side with Imperials, but purely for selfish reasons. Namely so I can claim Elisif for myself. Ulfric's court doesn't have an enticing piece of meat for me so they have to go.

>>739819586
based, the Stormcloaks are simply too cool not to side with. every Empire playthrough I have to fight the feelings that I'm with a bunch of faggots

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>British Empire vs United Colonies is basically a racial IQ test.
>Whites can understand that they're ultimately an unfortunate victim of circumstance and that there are larger things at play that resulted in their unjust (almost) execution. They can accept the apology of those who personally wronged them and then work together with them in pursuit of a greater goal for all of their society.
>The brown can never accept an apology from someone who wronged them and they will burn down their entire society in an attempt to get even for being "disrespected". They are incapable of long term planning and can't think of a future beyond the next 5 minutes.

>>739819878
>but seeing how the empire left Hammerfell on its own
With an entire Garrison of Imperial troops, combines with the AD exhausting its resources at the White-Gold Tower after losing it.

The entire plot of TES VI will be the Forebearers trying to get back into the Empire.

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>>739819749
>The white man is open minded, forgives any slight, and subjugated himself willingly to hostile minorities
You are correct in saying this, but you are not right in supporting this

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>>739812736
>the game literally introduces the imperials to you as pieces of shit that will execute innocents for no reason (you)
>you're supposed to even consider joining up with them after that
Imperialsimps really are cucks lmao

>>739819878
I'm sure ulfric wouldn't mind giving Elisif to his right hand man as a slave

>>739819558
That's because it's a video game and nothing progresses without the players involvement once you finish making your character.

Having the game play itself and resolve all questlines if you don't do them in x amount of time would be cucking the players out of content.

>>739812736
Siding with someone who tried to execute you is so stupid. Where is your sense of revenge?

>>739820159
There a mod for that? Either way having the High Queen (to be) as your bitch is not the same as having an enslaved former noble as your bitch.

>>739820178
So the Stormcloaks have no chance, their path were just added for fun and is completely non-canon?

>>739812736
childhood is when you think imperials are right because you are forced to trust the system
adulthood is realizing the stormcloaks are the founding fathers
FOR THE NORDS
FOR TALOS
FOR SKYRIM

>>739819749
>brings up IQ out of nowhere
>gives the most low IQ take
Every time.

Fuck all that gay political shit,I would side with my boy Alduin who saved my neck at the begining of the game and then conquer Skyrim and even the planet with an army of 100 dragons Attilas style

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>>739820271
>Is there a mod for living out your degenerate sexual fantasies in Skyrim?

>>739812736
The Imperials had basically already won at the game's start and only your presence fucked things up

>>739820439
Anon, Alduin intends to eat the planet bot conquer it

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Whoever wins, the Thalmor also win
So I take my lizard wife and we go to hong kong

>>739812736
Adulthood is ignoring everyone because you're still working for king lysandus of daggerfall

>>739819749
You are and always will be a pseud

>>739812736
Adulthood is realizing the stormcloaks are right and ulfric doesn’t go far enough. COMPLETE and UDDER elf and impercuck ANNIHILATION

>>739812736
Enlightenment is that a free and independent Skyrim is right, and you need to take down every Imperial and Stormcloak to get it

>>739813860
Dangerously based

>>739820462
If I was an Imperial soldier and saw that the leader of the enemy was saved via divine intervention I would switch sides.

>>739820505
>Alduin intends to eat the planet bot conquer it
My interpretation is that he doesn't and that is the reason Akatosh send (you) the dragonborn to whip him into shape and do his duty to reset the world which is why you don't absorb his soul when you defeat him in sovngarde

Why even bother saving the outdated Empire, it's going to collapse into civil wars eventually and be replaced with military alliances

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>>739820783
It's the option that spites elves the most in that scenario

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>>739812736
No, true adulthood is making a hot Khajiit bitch and joining the Stormcloaks with the intent to help repopulate skyrim with true sons after the war.

>>739820298
The stormcloaks can only win in the short term with the help of the DB. Left to their own devices they'll crumble.

>>739820298
What ends up canon is whatever they choose to do in the sequel so it's a moot point. Logically speaking, the Stormcloaks would be fucked without the Dragonborn considering they basically got btfo in a few months with Ulfric captured before the game even started.

>>739812736
Post ears.

>>739819980
>>739820418
>>739820536


Seething browns ITT

>>739821064
How powerful could the Dragonborn possibly be if the Stormcloaks are basically just a small group with no power? Can he defeat all of Thalmor by himself?

>>739812831
Yup. Race is the most important. Only (((thalmor))) want you to believe otherwise.

>>739821364
Well canonically the dragonborn just killed a fuckton of dragons by himself solely with his voice and defeated motherfucking Alduin sending his soul back to the dreamsleeve, so he's actually very fucking powerful, not Numidium level strength but powerful enough to potentially push back the altmer from Direnni tower.

>>739817452
He killed a shit ton of pussies who had surrendered the city and were letting the Forsworn rule over them

>>739821364
The Thuum is fucking broken so probably yeah. At the very least he'd be a big fucking problem for the Thalmor

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>>739821734
>murder true sons of skyrim for not being true enough

>>739821364
A full strength Dragonborn is Pelinial tier if not stronger he could definitely solo elf armies

>>739821531
So he does in fact practically conquer Whiterun, Solitude and the forts by himself? Sounds like gymnastics rather than the obvious of Skyrim as split in half, the civil war at a stalemate and it's not obvious how it will end until the DB picks a side

>>739821869
They were untrue though. That's why the city got occupied. No true son of Skyrim would let that happen.

Childhood, what was "objectively correct" was Imperials for me
Adulthood was realizing I don't actually care about the future beyond something more "interesting" which meant Stormcloaks, and maybe having some degree of psychopathy if that's even a thing that can be partially held.

>>739814778
Both of them are
The red jew starts israel's wars, the blue jew takes in all the migrants and refugees and buys their votes through corruption schemes. Both fuck kids on a secret island.

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>>739820938
I'm doing my part

>>739821869
Yes. Any Nord letting that happen isn't really a Nord in Ulfric's eyes

I was nearly executed today.
At first I was pretty upset.
Then I realized whoever tried to execute me was happier to execute me than I was upset to be executed.
The total happiness in the world went up. So whatever

>>739822107
Ironically you could argue the psychopath side is the imperial side who turn a blind eye to the altmer death squads running amok and the destruction of their own culture.

>>739822107
No, you're definitely still a child

>>739822204
someone could argue back on basis of motivation there I think

>>739812736
And true maturity is when you come back around again to realize skyrom does in fact belong to the nords

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>>739812736
>The trad nord faction worships the founder of the empire instead of any Nordic gods

>The empire happily allows elf gestapo to establish prisons and Inquisitor patrols in their provinces

They both suck lmao.

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>>739812736
alright anons
do you think that TES6 gonna be

>californian and lame

>racist and based

>skyrim, more or less

>>739824672
Milquetoast in the same way oblivion and starfield and fallout 4 were

>>739812736
>Shouted him to death, if you believe the stories...
DIE! DIE! DIE!

>>739824672
Skyrim but with sword singing

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>>739824672

>Californian and lame

That's cool, and all, but what kind of Californian are you talking about here?

The kind of Californian who's cool with skateboards and surfboards n shit?

Or the Californian who's gentrified by a fucking corporation (I.E. Irvine Company) like the entire southern portion of the fucking state.

>>739817048
He tanked that.

>>739821531
>>739821795
>>739821904
>thuum in lore
>earth shattering force capable of defeating entire armies
>thuum in game
>throwing people like 5 meters away from you

>>739816518
You're so fucking illiterate it's insane

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>>739812736
>Adulthood is realising the Imperials were right and they should have exterminated every Stormcloak in Skyrim
So they should have killed half their population as in brothers, sisters, uncles, parents?
You're a retard.
Neither side was fighting to exterminate the other, they were trying to take control of what happens next to their people.
The only ones actually trying to exterminate and genocide are the Thalmor, particularly the Altmer.
Which is the funny part, all those people that get triggered by the nords supposed racism seem to ignore the Altmer who think that they are the master race and that everyone is inferior to them and wouldn't think twice to enslave humanity if they had the strength to do so as their ancestors did.

>>739826030
and
>Making yourself intangible
>Splitting the clouds apart
>Controlling people and animals
>Tracking invisible people
>Enhancement
>Calling in a dragon
>Super form
>Sapping energy
>Breathing fire/ice etc
>Casting DOOM
>Shouting people's souls out
>Controlling fucking time

Along with other shit

>>739814954
Is there a mod where you can fuck her with Ralof?

>>739815670
The Empire captured Ulfric with a cleverly planned and perfectly executed ambush. Ulfric escaped not because of any contingency plan but because a dragon showed up out of nowhere. One of these things is luck, the other is not.
That said, Tullius really should have Osama'd Ulfric immediately. Nobody could have predicted a dragon, but transporting Ulfric in a tiny convoy on a two-day journey through Stormcloak territory was just begging to get counter-ambushed with Ulfric being rescued. It's a testimony to just how worthless the Stormcloaks are that they failed to even attempt this.

>>739812736
There should be a way for the LDB to start a third faction and make the civil war even worse. He's a nordic cultural hero, if he said he was fighting the corrupt Empire AND the dishonorable Ulfric there would be people willing to fight at his side

In a purely material view supporting the empire is the obvious choice even; taking into account the metaphysics and the nature of talos the last dragonborn HAS to side with the stormcloaks or the thalmor genocide humanity given enough time. Shame he's stuck in apocrypha because bethesda are hacks who can't take a side.

That would have been a cool as fuck plotline though. Like an intelligence agency working between them both. Stromcloaks being a fabrication of the Empire for plausible deniability to resist the Thalmor occupation. Like The Empire are deliberately funding the StromCloaks. Reminds me of Code Geass where the last mining facility in Japan is funding the resistance.

>>739827124
Bethesda are hacks who can't write shit since oblivion cousin that does sound awesome thoughbeit

>>739812736
You were based as a child but you fell for your martixs professor's propaganda...many such cases

I bet that Skyrim will be fucked in TESVI. The civil war plot will be resolved by Nord refugees telling you how it kept going for years with both Tullius and Ulfric dying at indeterminate times, both sides seemingly winning before losing it all in several upsets so all outcomes are canon.

>>739812736
/pol/spergs making this about irl politics are fucking pathetic.

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>>739825242
>We will never get cool digeridoo abbo surfboard hawaii voodoo sword autism samurai redguards
>They will just be generic sinbad/Arabian nights bullshit with some egypt thrown in if we're lucky

>>739819342
I am about to do a playthrough with Serana. Would she support Empire or Stormcloaks more? Brown cuckposts WILL be ignored.

>>739829191
Probably neither. She's from way before Talos, she's a former daedra worshiper and she's from outside Nord society so I doubt she's got a dog in the race.

>>739827124
I literally had one of my first characters larp like this his entire pre Skyrim story is layered out like this

>>739829361
So canonically she'll just follow whatever I choose... I see

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>>739827382
pretty much.
>ulfric ded - skyrim in turmoil without a leader to rally behind
>emperor ded too thanks to dark brotherhood assassination - succession may go smoothly considering that he should have an heir lined up at his age, but who knows, and an inexperienced leader is still easier to topple
it's pretty clear that the (((thalmor))) are intended to be the winners here.

>>739812736
I don't trust Ulfric, his rhetoric is weak, and the empire will go to war against the dominion in the future anyway so it's better to not have a dagger at your back.

>>739830535
Nords,Dunmers & Aragonians would form New Ebonheart Pact and fuck them up.

>>739813860
What compels old men to act like zoomer niggers?

>>739828461
>redguards are actually racist caricatures, just one so inconsistent the racists really need to do their homework to understand it
That's cool, but I still hate redguards

>>739813860
Why do all of these types of post read like pure projection?

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>>739812736
The ((((thalmor)))) played both sides

>>739817469
Not even a 'might', he would. https://youtu.be/Gu1vnyltfjk

>>739832841
Kuckbride wanted redguards to take inspiration from American urban black culture over African or Persian culture

>>739833686
The trolls health regen is actually kinda nuts, that one on the path up the mountain filtered so many people who just rushed the MQ

>>739831248
>the empire will go to war against the dominion in the future anyway
No they won't, they gave up when they had the advantage and had the Thalmor in retreat and then signed the treaty that gave them back land they had lost in the war.
Or should I say the Emperor did, he's a terrible weak emperor.
The Thalmor have been weakening the empire since the start of the treaty and have only regained their power more since then while the empire has been losing, well before the Stormcloak rebellion.
Also no one in the game ever mentions fighting the Alderi Dominion again, only that they believe they have the best chance at standing against them but no one in the game ever mentions they will take the fight to them.
Their number one priority is to preserve the peace/treaty.

>>739812831
>you need to be senile to agree with stormcloacks

>>739835219
Its been a long time since I beat the main quest, but doesn't tulius tell you that the empire will eventually war with the thalmor?

>>739812736
The Imperials are the absolute worst choice.
>The Septim dynasty was extinguished
>Chancellor Ocato took up the Throne as the regent of the Empire following Oblivion
>Ocato then assassinated, leading to an internal war and eventually the line of Mede
>Mede was chosen via Council, not by the Amulet of Kings
>The Amulet can inly be worn by the dragon-blooded, marking the Mede line as illegitimate
>Titus Mede II even admits this during the brotherhood quest
>Many years later, the Dragonborn shows up to correct the mistake of Alduin
>This is the one chance to also start another line of Dragon-blooded, chosen by Akatosh and capable of wearing the Amulet, and lighting the fires
>Siding with the Empire means being pushed aside and submitting to Mede rule, as they stifle the legend of the Dragonborn
>Siding with the Stormcloaks allows the Dragonborn legend to flourish, and spread over Tanriel as they formally recognize you
>Ulfric is a pretender, but unlike the line of Mede,can be directly challenged and slain for the position of High King
TLDR: the Dragonborn is the rightful heir to the Imperial throne, but siding with them cucks you out of it, you need to destabilize and oust the illegitimate rulers. Thalmor are just a single roadblock that mean nothing in the long run.

>>739813860
Trvke beyond all trvkes
Absolutely insane that the imperials were just going to to chop off your head with no actual justification and players STILL want to join them. Like, what?
The imperials didn't just betray skyrim. They betrayed themselves.

>>739836102
You say you submit to Mede rule if you choose Imperial but then say you can challenge Ulfric for Stormcloak. You submit to Ulfric if you choose Stormcloak. Neither choice is great for the Dragonborn.

>>739830281
Based roleplayer.

FUCK ARGONIANS
FUCK THE EMPIRE

>>739835327
I mean even if the Imperials had no intention to, it’s going to happen regardless. The Thalmor have to wipe out the humans.

>>739819124
>the nord cheated by using an ancient nord weapon that ancient nords used to fight with to decide who was the best nord to rule nordland
Lol
Retard

Empirecucks be like "hold on bro, we can't waste resources fighting the Thalmor yet bro, 2 more weeks bro, got to bide our time, gotta consolidate before we strike, heh.... any second now....WTF SKYRIM IS REBELLING? I WANT EVERY UNIT AVAILABLE ON THE GROUND RIGHT NOW. TOTAL WARRRRR"

>>739830425
Canonically, she’d probably wonder why you care when you have so many much bigger things to worry about like Alduin and the vampires and Miraak that actually threaten humanity as a whole.

>>739836598
Except they aren’t doing that? They say in Skyrim that all the imperial forces are conscripted nords. There are no actual imperial legions in Skyrim fighting the stormcloaks.

>>739812736
I sided with imperials since not only did they have cooler colors, ulfric was also clearly a little bitch

No? Adulthood is realising both of them are shit and it should be ME in charge of everything. Billions must die. I am the Dragonborne. Fuck everyone else.

>>739835327
I've played both sides in the Civil War questline and I don't ever recall him saying anything like that.
I do remember him saying in the stormcloak side when defeated that it's exactly what the Thalmor want and that the Legion are not the bad guys in all of this.

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>>739821364
I'm the dragon born and I have found and killed every single male high elf in skyrim before. You don't want to know what I did to the female high elves before killing them. [Spoiler] REPEATED HIGH IMPACT SEXUAL VIOLENCE

>>739814878
The Empire is BANNING Talos worship on behalf of the Thalmor, and is thus openly controlled opposition deserving of scorn.

>>739816506
No it didn't and your country is not independent and is a powerless vassal.

To this day I cannot comprehend how people take any piece of writing in Skyrim seriously, its the most bottom of the barrel mediocrity there is.

The Thalmor are our greatest ally and Basic Commonsense Nord Values is supporting them against our TRUE forsworn enemies. Anti-Thalmor is codeword for PRO forsworn terrorism! Muddy shabby Reachman are taking over, fellow Nords!

>>739836908
He says it if you talk to him at the end.

>>739836778
And that's even worse and more cucked for the conscripts.

>>739838140
It’s more cucked for the Stormcloaks. They aren’t even enough of a threat to make the Empire care about them beyond recruiting local guys and Ulfric still lost and got captured within weeks.

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>>739819124
>here's that kid I was telling you about

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Total (((IMPERIAL))) Death
>The most commonly accepted story within the Empire is that Tiber Septim was born in Atmora as Talos, meaning Stormcrown in Ehlnofex, hence Talos Stormcrown.[3] He had a brother named Agnorith.[15] He spends his early life in Skyrim among Nords, where he learns about the Thu'um from the Tongues.[3] Talos later became a General of the Colovian Estates under King (and later Emperor) Cuhlecain. Talos also learned about the Colovian Estates and their chieftains, and at the age of twenty, he led the invasion of Old Hroldan.[3] Talos met the combined army of Skyrim and High Rock, who were hostile to Cuhlecain, on the cliffs of a fort called Sancre Tor on which Tiber defeat the Nordic-Breton army.[17] The Nordic army joined Talos when they saw him use the thu'um, that his blood is the blood of the Dragon and heir to the Empires of Men.
empire died when they banned Talos worship

I don't really care in my modded playthrough the Thalmor are a declining empire.

Skyrim belongs to the vamipres

>>739812736
This is the vidya equivalent of Asuka vs. Rei.

>>739838984
You mean that there is one objectively good choice and everyone picking the other are just contrarians or trolls?

>>739839115
Yes

>>739838534
He’s a “boy” in the sense the guy was basically in his early twenties and never experienced actual war and combat like all the other jarls.

>When I was a boy Imperial walls used to make me feel so safe, but now I'm a man all I can think is that I hate those fuckin faggots
What did Ralof mean by this?

>>739838984
Rei - puppet empire
Asuka - rambunctious rebels

>>739835230
>you need to be retarded to agree with the imperials

Which Skyrim characters are gay?

>>739812736
Insane how Ulfric gets captured before his uprising can even begin and right in front of Windhelm

>>739839179
Calling one guy a poor misguided boy who was sweet and innocent and the other guy a demon monster who shouts people apart is propaganda 101

>>739812863
the empire cant send legions to skyrim because the pale pass is covered in snow, as the serpent's trail due to a avalanche.
they cant send legions through morrowind because argonian tribes and redoran.
they cant also send through high rock or hammerfell because craglorn is orsinium and that opens a precedence for the thalmor too so that acts as a cockblock for any piss elf.
and you can see ingame that the wrothgar pass from high rock to haafingar is also covered in rocks and snow due to a avalanche.

skyrim is 100% isolated by land from reinforcements, and why tulius became dependent of local manpower.

>>739841015
>The empire can't, can't, can't, can't
Yeah, the empire can't do shit. The Stormcloaks can free Skyrim

>>739841234
Apparently they can’t because their fellow nords are stopping them.

>>739836102
The title of Dragonborn is irrelevant in the 4th era and doesn't come with the administrative and political skills to navigate an Empire in decline. The Medes on the other hand practices the kind of realpolitik necessary to survive the shit show of the 4th era.

>>739840030
I’ve seen old folks refer to anyone young and inexperienced as a kid. That isn’t uncommon. Torygg was a boy compared to all the other jarls except one. I agree that the term is misused by players arguing his age though.

Empire should honestly just leave skyrim and let the thalmor get sucked into nord vietnam

>>739841234
stormcucks cant do shit either, it is all guerilla warfare til you arrive, and they were losing thanks to tulius.

>>739836860
>t. yesmenkek

>>739812736
Childhood is giving a shit about game stories and adulthood is just playing the game and ignoring the narrative completely

Talos is literally Numidium and this makes the Altmer seethe endlessly.

>>739841772
That's cattlehood

>>739841832
Cattlehood is being invested in what pixels on the screen's political beliefs and gender identity are

>>739841947
Cattleian response from a beefgroid.

If adsorbing a Dragon's soul gives you their knowledge then shouldn't the DB be able to understand the Dragon language after killing one

>>739841987
kek
this anon BANTZ

>>739813860
>the empire is usurped and is cucking out to the elves with "trust the plan for 2 more weeks talos patriots are in control"
That's just disgruntled military coping. The actual leaders of the Empire completely gave up once they saw what happened to the Imperial City. The Thalmor won the great war the moment the treaty was signed. The Empire's spirit was broken beyond repair.

>>739814723
>Stormcloaks are red
>Imperials are blue
Disgusting.

>>739812736
Childhood is liking skyrim
Growing up is falling out of love with skyrim
Adulthood is holding skyrim in contempt alongside bethesda as a whole

It’s been 15 fucking goddamn years. It’s still a bad game. Grow up.

>>739812736
Adulthood is realising that if you want to fix something, you have to do it yourself.

>>739814954
>She was just doing her job
>"Forget the list. He goes to the block."
She wasn't actually doing her job.

>>739842917
If it's a bad game then why is it s till go far do more like?

>>739841797
>this makes the Altmer seethe endlessly
This is very literal as they are technically still under attack by it.

>>739820538
>UDDER
Care to explain what you meant by this?

>>739842917
You got influenced by /v/ hahaha you're an npc and have no free will

Stormcloaks won

>>739845219
Maybe in their dreams