Californian here.I know someone else already posted about it, but recently, the "Protect Our Games" act just passed in the Californian State Assembly by a vote of 43 to 16.While this is great news, we are still not out of the woods just yet. It still needs to get past the State Senate with their approval and a signature from Governor Gavin Newsom himself.If you live in California like me, contact your state senate representatives right away, convince them to give this bill their full unconditional support. Here's where you can find your local state senate representatives.https://findyourrep.legislature.ca.gov/
>>739824606>SKGtrannies keep spamming the boardYou commies will never win
>>739824724We literally did win in California. Cry about it
>>739824992>w-we wonThen why are you begging people to pester others? You lost commie
>>739824992Commiefornia just passed a Stop Nick Shirley act to protect politicians while they steal billions in fraudThats not even hyperbole, they literally stole billions then blamed a youtuber for noticingIf you aren't a millionaire then you didn't win shit, bootlicker
>>739825638>Stop propagandists like Nick Shirley from protecting espstein pedos California cannot stop winning between that and they might beat the EU to the punch in passing SKG legislation.
SKGtrannies on suicide watch
>>739824724cry to the jannies then theyre more than happy to listen to your demands and give a free blowjob
>>739824606Hey buddy, I think you got the wrong door. The Reddit Club is two doors down.
>It’s up to the companies how they complyKEK
Ranjeep is getting paid overtime to shill for AAA game jews.
Not my problem, enjoy your ID verification slop.
>>739830090Pixel shit will never be relevant
>>739824606>vidya industry based in California>SKG as proposed hated by the industry>California readily passes some version of itDoesn't pass the sniff test. Plus reading the actual bill this means that publishers could use F2P and then fuck you out of any money spent in-game.>beginning on the date an operator ceases to provide services necessary for the ordinary use of the game, require the operator to provide the purchaser with an alternate version of, a patch or update to, or a refund for, the game, as provided, and prohibit the operator from selling, leasing, or otherwise distributing a version of the game that cannot be used by a purchaser independent of services controlled by the operator. The bill would authorize the Attorney General or a district attorney to bring a civil action for a violation of these provisions.
>>739830353>use F2P and then fuck you out of any money spent in-game.the entire point of SKG is to stop companies from rugpulling you and then launching a new game to make you pay for the same shit all over again
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>>739831564I'm just quoting what AB 1921 actually says.
>>739825991>revealing fraud is propagandaWhy do leftists love billionaires so much?And epstein was literally a Democrat
I don't get it. How can games be "killed"? Games aren't living beings, idiots.
>>739824724they win in communist shitholes like cuckafornia and yuropooristan, because everyone there is a retarded niggerfaggot
>>739831889Get madder shill. We will own the software we buy.
>>739833335>letting the government regulate vidya however they pleasethe only way this ends is the government owning your games.
>>739830353Having to rely on in-game purchases will make a lot of AAA and AA companies think twice before developing a live-service game, so it's already a good first step.
>>739824606I still don't understand what you dipshits expect to actually happen with this nonsenseI also don't understand why you can't just not play live service slop
>>739833960okay ancap
>>739833960You're not even trying
>>739833960>NOOOOOOOO DON'T LET THE GOVERNMENT TELL THE BIG COMPANY TO BE NICE>THAT GETS IN THE WAY OF PROGRESS
>>739834245They don't see it as that, the stupid retards have fallen for their own propaganda. This is what happens when you form an angry mobIts why they keep posting this fag >>739831660 they need a boogeyman and a saviour so they can get their moral high
>>739834245they are incapable of understanding supply/demand>THE PRODUCT is on store shelves>its popular for a bit but it falls off>after a while it simply becomes more expensive for everybody to keep the product around>there is no demand for the product, so naturally supply is going to wane as the company focuses on other products>entitled brats start screaming "BUT WHAT ABOUT ME? I LIKED THE PRODUCT! ME! ME! ME!"
>>739824724>an hourly famitsu thread died for this ;_;
It's really not that hard.
>>739835235>he thinks the corporation will play nicethat's your first mistake
>>739835429That's not how supply and demand works, for starters price would have to drop. The Crew dropped to $30 in 2015 after a year of its release but kept that price (other than the seasonal sales) until it shut down, even as player count declined. For your example to remotely work it would've had to have consistent price drops since 2015 (which it did not), and that's not even counting other issues like infinite supply or how goods just don't disappear when demand is low enough.
>>739835429When a product is digital the shelf space is infinite
>>739824606this is a mega based thread
>>739824606>trannyfornia supporting dogshit lawseverytime
How many of you are paid shills? If you are shilling for corpos for free. Oh boy
>>739824606half of /v/ is chicano mexicans living in california at this point
>>739824606I've noticed the SKG shills weirdly all love corporations when they're pushing woke
>>739837405this is nuts
>>739837405I thought only Trump stood with Israel?/pol/ said Biden did too but reddit said they were just racists. Is this true?
Primary goal is EU one passing with good results. California one atleast getting slight win could help with EU results
>>739837515Then the EU can finally make Concord 2 and teach those evil gamers a lesson
>>739833960Corpos most of the time won't self regulate. Did they self regulate with lootboxes?
>>739825991Why do leftoids vote, work and argue against their own interests THIS hard?
>>739837570Bad games surviving (not player numbers wise, but as just playable game) is useful. We could learn from bad or trashy games like Sonic 2006>>739837605Could you go back to /pol/ ?
>>739837605Remember when leftoids were killing themselves to defend these subhumans a few months ago
>>739837605doesn't every single fucking lawyer on this planet recommend not smiling in your mugshot because it could absolutely be brought up in court and could very well bite you in the ass??
>>739837605Can the state start harvesting their organs now to give us our tax money back? Probably the only good thing to ever come from these niggers.
>>739837575the self regulation is (you) not buying corpo slop.>oh buh other peoplethere will be infinite indies for you to play regardless of the state of corpo slop.getting the government involved could very easily change that.
>>739837641Why do you work and argue against your own interests to defend people that hate you anyway? What made you this raped? What made you into this much of a suicidal self-sabotaging machine?
>>739837904>regardless of the state of corpo slop.So why should such cancer be ignored and not purged?Why cant shills ever answer this? why cshould corpos be allowed to simply take sold and owned products away just to save their bottom line?
>>739837904>the self regulation is (you) not buying corpo slop.Remember MW2 boycott meme? Did it help? It does help when game trashy by default, so people avoid it . But if game good and they kill it (make it unplayable for everyone who bought it) , that's fucked up . Some people boycotting it won't help in this scenario
>>739837980I don't want art / games to be destroyed. Regardless if it's good / trashy / bad. Also i'm hoarder, so i have a bias
>>739837904>the self regulation is (you) not buying corpo slopSo no, we shouldnt hurt the poor innocent corpos or actually do anything to stop this practice, just look away and tell ourselves they'll stop nicely because we voted no with our wallets. >ancaps are actually this stupid
>>739838017the games are the cancer.you are begging for the precedent of the government fucking with games being set because you are incapable of not buying trash games.>>739838034>>739838248these games get shut down because people stop playing them and there's little value in keeping the servers up.if you just stop buying the shit games, they'll stop making the shit games entirely.but you SKG trannies are incapable of comprehending this and just want daddy gubberment to fuck up your hobby
Pushing video game development out of California might be the only positive thing this movement has accomplished
>>739838475>the games are the cancerNo, the practixe of killing games based on a unilateral.corporate decision is cancer.See, this kind of disingenuous behavior is why you corporate shills are so loathed. It's also why you're losing. Everyone can see the game you're playing and hate you for it
>>739838475>want to keep my game that I paid for>anon says it's a shit game so I guess I don't
>>739838475>and there's little value in keeping the servers upSo why dont they release an offline patch so the few players can continue playing it? If corporations did that willingly there would be no reason for SKG.
>>739838603>>739838647>yeah bro copy paste shit tier shooter #1908319028 is totally worth preserving, and totally worth encouraging the company to make more of>all we need to do is beg the government to fuck with videogames(you) are the problem with modern gaming.
>>739838847I'd still like for games not to die, thanks
>>739838847>yeah bro copy paste shit tier shooter #1908319028 is totally worth preserving, and totally worth encouraging the company to make more ofYes. Killing it is simply not your choice to make. SKG will beat you and your beloved corporations into the dirt until they realize thisThis could've all been avoided if you didnt presume to do this. It's entirely your fault.
>>739838787The argument has often been used that the game can't work without the servers doing the work. I remember when EA claimed that to be the case of SimCity 2013 and it wasn't true.
>>739838935and you can get that by playing real games instead of copy paste shit tier shooter #19083281098190>>739839018>brooo you dont get it, i just NEED to play F tier games! thats why i NEED to beg the government to fuck up your hobby!can you please stop and just let me enjoy my indie games in peace? i dont want every game to have a state mandated FBI tracker.
>>739839169see >>739838017The thing is, you'e fallen back to your tired narrative>PLEASE just ignore them bro, I swear it's not that bad go play indies insteadIt's so pathetic. You really cant defend them at all
>>739839169>i dont want every game to have a state mandated FBI tracker.Well then you should've told your megacorp to behave. They didnt and now they will suffer for it. If that bothers you so much well.....that's too bad. You should've been more involved in defending your hobby from cancerous corporate practices.It's your fault.
>>739824992>We won, cry about itPlease help us to contact, and annoy others, lol.
>>739839495i do defend my hobby from cancerous corpo practices.its called STOP PLAYING THE FUCKING CORPO SLOP YOU FUCKING RETARDS.IF YOU DONT BUY THE CORPO SLOP, THEN IT DOESNT AFFECT YOU.>OH BUH BUH-THERE IS NO FUCKING BUT.THEY PRODUCE NOTHING BUT TRASH AND THE PROBLEM IS SOLVED AS SOON AS YOU START PLAYING BETTER GAMES. ITS NOT WORTH GETTING THE GOVERNMENT INVOLVED OVER AND GIVING THEM THE PRECEDENT TO RUIN YOUR HOBBY.
>>739833960Why do you let corporations fuck your ass instead of the government fucking the corporation's ass?This is nothing but positive for the consumer, you can't spin it in any negative way where the consumers of video game media don't somehow benefit from putting laws in place that you can't kill your games without having a reasonable way to preserve it after support ends
>>739824606Leftists pushing for more billionaire control in video games again?
>>739839169>and you can get that by playing real games instead of copy paste shit tier shooter #19083281098190Once someone buys a game, however shitty said game is, they deserve to keep that game and play it 10 years later if they want. You realize that governments can already regulate that, right? SKG isn't giving them any more power, it's asking them to use the power they already have in a way that would benefit customers. Saying a game is shit isn't an argument for killing it
>>739839840i dont let corporations fuck me in the ass, thats why i play indie games.>This is nothing but positive for the consumerit gives the government the precedent to fuck with vidya however they please because "the people literally asked us to"
>>739825991>exposing government corruption is propagandaThis is what being a leftist does to someone's brain
>>739839802Hasn't stopped game from being killed, so your method seems very ineffective
>>739839802nta, but you really stopped those government funded games from coming out.. good job. oh wait...
Anti-skiggers still can't provide an actually realistic scenario in which SKC supposedly spirals into something undesirable.>dude it's the GOVERNMENT so something bad will happen!>um no, I won't describe what or why.
>>739839802>IF YOU DONT BUY THE CORPO SLOP, THEN IT DOESNT AFFECT YOU.>doesnt buy the corposlop>gets directly affected by their cancerous practices and the pushback caused by themYour ignoring strat clearly didnt work as proven by your meltdown. Now, whose fault is that? Oh, I know, it's (you)! fFor letting it get this bad!Or maybe you're not ignoring hard enough? Just ignore it harder bro! It'll all go away! For sure this time!
>>739839914>it gives the government the precedent to fuck with vidya however they pleaseStep 1: Government passes legislationStep 2: Publishers can't just revoke your access to a gameStep 3: ???Step 4: Mandatory homo sex cut scenes in all gamesIt's a slippery slope...
>>739824606>Californian here.You don't matter. Go away.
>>739839914>i dont let corporations fuck me in the ass, thats why i play indie games.Good for you. Some people like games that you don't play. Some of those games are designed to be killed off. Those people deserve to keep those games>it gives the government the precedent to fuck with vidya however they please becauseThey have already fucked with bideo gayms before. Ever heard about regulations? This wouldn't be the first one in video games, you know>because "the people literally asked us to"What is it you think the government would do, exactly?
>>739835674Wolfenstein?
>>739824606>Not out of the woods yet.why was it in the woods?
>>739824724>"You stupid goys will never get enough signatures">"Well the signatures are all fake so this will be disgualified">"W-well they still won't discuss this and will just throw it away or something">"T-T-he C-corporations will not stand for this! They will win this you stupid goym!">"YOU DIDIN'T WIN GOY!"They mad
>>739840596>leftist bootlickers trying to steal /pol/ memes againThis is why you will lose
>>739840736Sorry jew but those Server will be staying up for all eternity.no I don't care how much it costs.no I don't care about your profits.Yes. Your children and their childrens childern will be bound by this pact forever.Yes. We will rape you to death if you fail to keep those servers running.
>>739840876Are you trolling or do you genuinely not understand what SKG is about?
>>739839914>It gives the government the precedent to fuck with vidya however they please.Thank you, I can't stand big corporations. But giving the government more power is never a good idea. No way though you will ever be able to convince a leftist otherwise, because they love big government.
>>739835941Apple already did with their chargers.
>>739840984Yesterday the narrative was that leftists love corpos. Was that no longer convenient for your divide&conquer pilpul?
>>739840939Turning game devs into slaves, which is exactly what they fucking deserve.Now get in the server mines jew! We will have you sweating blood before your shift is over!
>>739840984>I can't stand big corporations. But giving the government more power is never a good ideaSo what alternative do you suggest, different anon that's totally not samefagging?
>>739841093>Yesterday the argument was leftists love corporations I never said that you disingenuous faggot. And I don't speak for others, only from my experience, and yes leftists want more government control in their lives.
>>739840736Bootlickers?
>>739841301>SamefaggingThinks that everyone who disagrees with him is the same person.
>>739840984>But giving the government more power is never a good ideaNot true.
>>739841593>didnt suggest any alternativesWhat's wrong, Mr. Both sides are bad! anon?
This thread is a good example of why /v/ is so shit these days
>>739824606>>739824992It doesnt apply to free to play games
>>739840136correct>step 1: government passes legislation>step 2: gay people can now marry>step 3: ???>step 4: men will be encouraged to cut off their dicks and pedos will read books to your children>"heh see how silly this sounds chud? slippery slopes arent real!"
>>739841669What the fuck are you talking about fag, Mr both sides are bad? Yes I can hate more than two things at a time.
>>739841736Because people have more stock in irritating other people than having any sort of discussion?
>>739824606Anyone supporting this shit isn't good enough to be on v.Take your pedophile streamer shit and go back. You do not have anything to offer anyone here.
>>739841972>Yes I can hate more than two things at a time.And that's all you do. Whine both sides are bad and decry any effort as pointless while doing nothing yourself. You still havent suggested any alternatives, btw.
>>739841401This seems like they want more government in some scumbag corpo's life, not in their own.>but wanting to punish a scammer means you invite the EVIL GOVERNMENT! #ACAB!
>Corporate shills still attempting to try and control the narrative on fucking /v/The pitchforks and bullets will not hit only your masters, just so you know
>>739842237you think you're the ones with the pitchforks and bullets but you're not.in reality you're giving them to the government and telling them to fix the problem for you.
>>739842180Alternatives, okay here is one. You could use your brain when it comes to a live service game. I know leftist can't be bothered to use their brains though, so that is why they have to get the government to do it for them.
>>739842526>You could use your brain when it comes to a live service game. What do you mean by that? Be more specific anon. Use your words.And for the record, I know you're the same "Just ignore it!" cuck that I btfo earlier, so please cooperate and help me humiliate you again
>>739842486Correct, and it will.
>>739842486It's both, but thanks for confirming you're a bootlicker, you're gonna face the wall soon enough
>>739842678Like clockwork, leftists response to pretend not to understand. And you are still thinking I'm some dude that you argued with earlier, lol.
>>739842891the useful idiots are the ones that get killed and tossed to the side first.you really do not know what you're doing.
>>739842924>leftists response to pretend not to understand.>still no firm answer KEKWhy are you such a coward, anon? It's such a simple question
Getting video game companies to actually move out of California might be the best thing to come out of this bill.
>>739842678>whats 2+2?>and dont you DARE say 4!
>>739841929RIP in peace, Atlas Reactor.
>>739840337Enemy Territory, yes!
>>739842968Looking at the terrified corpos and their army of jeet shills flooding the board to tell me Im wrong and doomign games, I'd say yes I do know what Im doing is right.
>>739843060Kwab, you didn't like the answer I gave you, and now you are fuming. Oh I'm sorry, I see now you are too stupid to understand my answer. Why are you so retarded anon? Its such a simple question.
>surrendering an inconvenience to big government You're gonna see this degenerate into a bureaucratic hellscape and there will be none to blame because everyone will just say "Just deal with it".
I wish all anarcho-capitalists a merry carcinogenic exposure.
>>739843160see >>739843060I want you to say 4, anon. Give me a firm answer. Do it.
>>739843456>answer is pretending not to understandnta I don't think you're pretending, I think leftists are actually that stupid
>>739843491You don't know the difference between an acap and a libertarian.
>>7398435124 is ignoring them because what the fuck can they do?its not like real life where they can choke out independent sellers, they're just left to rot with their ever shrinking user base.
>>739843512Leftists are too stupid to understand even that. George Orwell was right about communism
>>739843489>surrendering an inconvenience to big governmentYeah because it's inconvenient to me and corpos dont want to do anything about it.Go blame them.
>>739825493how do you think politics work?
>>739843686Which corpo? This law would effect indie devs too
>>739843686The laws of economics still applies to corpos.
>>739843621And when the whale cattle continues to prop up their scam business model, permitting it to fester and dominate the industry, what then?
>>739843735You call people racist and vote for your favourite millionaire, then say it wasn't his fault when he doesn't do anything
>>739843741>Which corpo?The one that started this entire shitshow, for a start>>739843776>laws of economics still applies to corpos.So that's why we should ignore them when they inconvenience their customers by, oh i dunno, taking their purchased products away?
>>739843557I agree leftists really are that stupid.
>>739843807>dominate the industrythats entirely a (you) problem.
>>739824724>commiesGod I hate retards. We've known what this word means for 80 years, how do you still fuck this up?
>>739824606I find it funny leftist bootlickers don't know what they're shilling for so they say they're fighting against "corporations" but can't say how, and it's the same corporations they were defending for being woke
>>739843902>thats entirely a (you) problem.Well, that disdain is why it's going to become an (everyone) problem
>>739843891No government, least of all the US, abides by the law of economics. It's in fact baked into politics within its theories, to ignore most of economic realities in favour of political goals. A company can restructure itself and flush out many of its oligarchial elements, a government cannot.
>>739830353A lot of Silicon Valley moved to Austin TX, and the movie industry is in the process of moving to Sony's studio city outside Las Vegas.
>>739843891Note again, the leftist couldn't make a single argument he just pretends not to understand
>>739843989>making it everyone's problem by begging daddy gubberment to fix your poor choices for you, rather than just letting corpos and retarded whales rotthis is why people hate you SKG trannies.
>>739831889>cuckafornia>2% of the states contributes 18% of the country's economy >More than double that of the second place stateThere is no way to insult California that doesn't come off as cosmic levels of faggot cope
>>739843959They want to have their woke cake and eat it forever too.
>>739834125They're just going to bring back 7th gen online passes and pass the server cost onto the player.
>>739824606>y-you need to put an expiration date on your game!!!!!>*uses subscriptions or free to play model to completely avoid this*What is this accomplishing again?
>>739843959>bootlickers>leftistWhat sort of brain disease causes someone to attribute bootlicking to the exact opposite group that exhibits it?
>>739843902You're content with scammers being rewarded for dragging your entire hobby down.I'm not. I will support doing something about it. You go back to "voting with your wallet" and burying your head in the sand.
>>739844106>>739844041>Why couldnt you goyim just be quiet and let megacorps take your things away?!?!Just look them writhe lmao
>California>the people in charge of the worst public works fiasco in US history that is the California high speed rail>I'm sure these guys abide by anything economic at all, overexpenditure and accountability? Who cares! We have a political goal!I don't trust the California government at all, it's beyond skepticism, it's warped into disdain. I would prefer a flyover state's slow-ass bureaucracy over California's retardation.
>>739830353>>beginning on the date an operator ceases to provide services necessary for the ordinary use of the game, require the operator to provide the purchaser with an alternate version of, a patch or update to, or a refund for, the game, as provided, and prohibit the operator from selling, leasing, or otherwise distributing a version of the game that cannot be used by a purchaser independent of services controlled by the operator. The bill would authorize the Attorney General or a district attorney to bring a civil action for a violation of these provisions.That unironically was better redacted than Ross version.It did not take a change.org petition, two years and about 100k of paetron gibs and is moving faster.EU bros, I thought WE were the land of the free? Why are burgers beating us?We have been cucked. It was supposed to be our time.Nooo noo not like this.
>>739843916>sucks nanny state's dick>expects not to be called commieSKGtranny trying not to be retarded challenge. Level: impossible
>>739844013>No government, least of all the US, abides by the law of economics.Governments don't have to abide by the "laws" of economics, they make them.>A company can restructure itself and flush out many of its oligarchial elements, a government cannot.Anti-trust laws weren't created by companies, they were made by governments which were then infiltrated by corporations to destroy them, companies never flush out their scum because they are the scum in the first place, which is why the entire US economy is propped up by three men juggling stolen cash among themselves while everyone else is starving.
>>739844353Anti-trust laws had the backing of corporations because it prevents a cartel from forming, which violates the principles of a market-based economy. Try again.
>>739840984>But giving the government more power is never a good ideaThe government already has that power
>>739844248>>739844265>dragging my hobby downim completely uninfluenced by corpos "dragging the hobby down" because i dont play their games.getting the government involved WILL drag the hobby down and actually make things worse because you'll need to go through 560 layers of beurocratic hell to publish a game. something that only the corpos making shit tier games can afford, while the indie devs making good games have to eat shit.you're literally killing the hobby by getting the government involved.
>>739844442>cartelsAnd the actual reason, which is that it also prevents anyone else from actually getting big enough to threaten or worse, dethrone them.
>>739844527>anon cant understand unspoken rulesthe government doesnt fuck with games because the precedent hasnt been set for massive overarching vidya regulations.this is giving them that precedent.you dont know what you're asking them to do.
>>739844530>im completely uninfluenced by corpos "dragging the hobby down" because i dont play their games.And yet, here you are. Screaming and crying to defend the poor corpos taking things away.You know they could just not do that, right? Why didnt you get them to behave? Now we'll have to do it and the government wont be gentle.
>>739844442>Anti-trust laws had the backing of corporations because it prevents a cartel from formingLolno, which is why anti-trust laws pretty much do not exist today and people like Larry Ellison have an entire market to themselves, making them an effective cartel.The market-based economy is as real as the invisible hand, which means not at all.
>>739844636read the rest of the post and you'll have your answer.
>>739844634The government has already fucked with games. This would not be the first, nor probably the last, regulation in video games
>>739844543People have always used the government as a crutch to bypass economic realities. It's always been the go-to because it abides more into politics than economics. It's why certain businesses just cannot actually fail when they are so mismanaged it belongs in How Not To guide for dummies.
How did they do it?
>>739844697show me an overarching video game regulation on the level of SKG.
>>739844693The rest of your post is just kvetching and doomfagging. Im saying it's your fault it got to this point.so, yeah. Deal with it.
>>739844747This is not feasible in this day and age.
>>739844231>What sort of brain disease causes someone to attribute bootlicking to the exact opposite group that exhibits it?NTA but all leftist groups are bootlickers deeply in bed with political groups.All of them received money from either foreign actors or USAids.Hasan Piker for example, or Anita Saars--kesian.That is a reason to fear bringing games into the attention of politicians, they already tried to turn games into propaganda.Rescuing 20 so-so gaas games is not worth having politicians meddle with this medium too.Politics and creative outlets don't mix together.Think of the Comic Authority Code or the movie rating system.These have not done any good.I acknowledge this could be doomposting on my part but I remind you the law is not retroactive so future proofing gaas slop at the expense of something like mandatory live Id for games is not worth it. also these don't take this far enough to be worthwhile either.Publishers can still ban you from online activity if you shout nigger so this doesn't save you from that.Of course this is zoomers gamergate so I expect to be called a jeet and then when shit hits the fan you will be a disingenuous faggot and state you never believed in SKG anyways.
>>739844318>state>commieBro here thinks he's competing for the retard Olympics
If this was a Texas bill with some more libertarian amendments, it would've gone smoother.
>>739844849>mandatory live Id for gamesYounhave to come up with new material. This line isnt going to work
>>739843902>"just go play indie games bro">even multiplayer indie games rely on central server architecture that will inevitably shut down one day
>>739844813all you had to do was not play shit games.but here you are begging for the government to let you keep playing shit games after everyone else has decided its not worth the trouble.what are you going to do when you finally get your offline servers and cant find anyone to play with? beg the government to force devs to make offline bots?
You literally control the buttons you press, anon. You don't have to buy the shit games.
>>739844705>People have always used the government as a crutch to bypass economic realitiesSo why is it wrong when we do it in our favor? Retarded ancap
>>739844980>all you had to do was not play shit games.Did that. Didn't work. We're stepping it up.
>>739845076were the corporations forcing you to play their games instead of indie games?
>>739845031Some people don't think they're shit games, and they should be allowed to keep them once they've paid for them
>>739845064I'm a libertarian. You have an overwhelmingly disbelief on the common man that you must sic a higher irrevocable power on my and his entertainment.
>>739844980>>739845031>You didnt havr to buy the corporate slop!>So why should we allow corporations to just take things away?>REEEEEEE GOVERNMENT BAD!!!!!Why are you shills like this?
>>739844849Politicians will meddle whenever they goddamned please, it's not like they need an invitation or a beachhead.
>>739845150caveat emptor
>>739844747>>739844842Why do sharty niggers pretend games do not allow you to host anymore?Shit like this right here is just false advertisement>This could be the future guysGaas is the exception, not the rule.SKG does not affect any current game because the law is not retroactiveThe amount of good SKG does is miniscule.Especially when Gaas is capitulating.The reality of the situation is that zoomers blindly follow ecelbs who only want attention and money.SKG was carried by the rape and brutal gaping of piratesoftware because zoomers talk good shit about hosting games yet they are computer illiterate.
>>739845172So why can corporations wield the government as a cudgel and you remain quiet, but you speak loudly when citizens do it?
>>739845172>have an overwhelmingly disbelief on the common manHis ESL is showing.
>>739844849>State oversight is only ok when it's social issuesThere is a reason the political right are ubiquitously categorized as boot lickers: their appeal to government dictation of private activity is what affects normal people. The left appealing to government oversight of turbo corporations *is* definitely an appeal to government control, but you, nor I, nor the vast majority of people own or run turbo corps. Thus, normal people don't care.This, with full admission, that the only NON retarded way to engage with American politics is to understand that both formal parties are aligned with each other against the common citizen and that there has never been a "culture war" only a "class war"
>>739845227It also doesn't mean you're just gonna let them have a carte blanche on the ONE THING I actually fucking enjoy..
>>739844705Economic "realities" do not fucking exist, what is the current economic reality of the datacenter boom where 90% of those things won't even be built by 2030 if we are lucky and are completely unsustainable?What is the economic "reality" of people like Nadella or Altman gleefully telling you that everyone but them is gonna lose their job to an autocomplete that costs trillions and can't stop allucinating?>It's why certain businesses just cannot actually fail when they are so mismanaged it belongs in How Not To guide for dummies.Certain businesses can't fail because they control the government through massive lobbying so they get bailed out with tax payer money until the economy completely collapses, like it's going to happen soon, the businesses themselves do not abide by their own rules because they implement socialist economy for themselves while destroying any sort of competition and rewriting the "economic reality" so that they can keep some veneer of credibility until the sand castle completely crumble after the idiocracy of middle managers and CEOs reaches the point of no return, at which point they either kill themselves or move upward in another company to repeat the cycle.But hey, it sure wasn't their fault! It's the ebil gubmint regulating shit despite giving them absolutely free reign under their own command!We just need to deregulate more!
>>739845172>You have an overwhelmingly disbelief on the common man that you must sic a higher irrevocable power on my and his entertainment.And it's justified by the sheer stupidity of the common man (you, for example, are an actual ancap) and the fact that entire corporate business models are designed around exploiting said stupidity for massive payouts.
>>739845347I realize the lack of good faith in your argumentation by insisting that I am an ancap when I've said otherwise. This is my last reply to you.
>uhhhh why am I getting reportedIt's NOT ok to be brown.
>>739845181>no bro you just dont get it, i NEED the government to preserve three shitty GAAS games, this is totally worth getting bureaucrats intolved in gaming!you have no idea what you're asking for.you are inviting parasites to cling to your body because someone convinced you that it'd make you healthy (despite already being healthy)videogames are going to die, and its going to be all your fault.
>>739845308Hello, Marxist. Good to see you're still at your grifting ways.
>>739845310Have you tried voting with your wallet? I heard it's effective.
>>739845310They have it. They literally already have it. They can do whatever they want to video games whenever they feel like it.
>>739833960Wait, if we own our game,but the government own our game, Then that mean WE are the government!Sound democratic to me.
>>739845404It's okay. I know you arent capable of arguing now.in the face of evidence proving how wrong you are. You'll bend the knee to the higher power or break to its will.
>>739845516We are having a culture war at this very moment because of it.
>>739838847>>739845458All these hours later and.your strawman is still the same.And the rebuttal is the same too.It's not your choice to make. Your corporstion overstepped its bounds and you run damage control for them, hoping people would forgive them for it, until it bame a tolerated routine practice.That's not going to happen.
>>739845561Yeah, and I happen to like the action they are taking right now. This isn't a slippery slope, we are not giving any more power than they already have, the consumers are vaguely guiding the hand of government which is WHY REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENTS ARE SUPPOSED TO EXIST.
>>739845331Why are you positing that I am of support of more supply-side economics?
>>739845463>Using buzzwords you don't understand At least I'm not a retarded faggot like yourself.
>>739845308I sincerely have no hope whatsoever in the establishment as its stands. Leftists haven't changed their agenda past imitating Stalinism. They want to create dictatorships where they'll run unimpeded using corporal punishment to control the masses through fear.See Jan 6 and UK arrets over social media posts, or the entirety of LatAM.The right are nothing but capitals namely the oil industry and they could not care less about society.Trump has done nothing to benefit society besides some half-handed immigration control, aside that most of the time he exploits the market through his posts, stating that "something" will happen. His first action as Potus was a rugpull.>This, with full admission, that the only NON retarded way to engage with American politics is to understand that both formal parties are aligned with each other against the common citizen and that there has never been a "culture war" only a "class war"Again this is not where I wanted the discussion to head to but yeah, agreed.
>>739845681the literal only thing you had to do was not play shitty GAAS scams and this wouldnt be a problem.SKG wont suddenly make corporate games "better", they'll still be the same old slop while endless bureaucrats now have access to your hobby, and have the precedent and permission to impost whatever fee, restriction, and law that they want.you are going to KILL gaming, and it'll be ALL YOUR FAULT.
>>739845758That's some real fancy words for "Corporate shill". You pay a school to learn you that boy?
>Thinking in purely of "muh gubment" and "muh corpos"The best way to live life on the macro scale is to think "Do these things benefit me? How can I use the other entity to fuck over the things that don't benefit me?". Of course, on the personal scale, that shit is stupid, but when you have these systems designed to screw you over, there is nothing wrong with using those same systems to your advantage. Is government overreach too high? Let the corpos bitch and moan and threaten to pull out of the economy. Are the corpos trying obfuscate their deliberate anti-consumer bullshit? Let the government bitch slap them.Truth is, vidya industry is in a fucked place and that's with minimal government intervention. This is the grave that they themselves have dug.
>>739845532You will own you game but only when it's government-approved or it's actually so useless that it was just a waste of billions of dollars for nobody to even follow it.
>>739845887>the literal only thing you had to do was not play shitty GAAS scams and this wouldnt be a problem.See >>739845076
>>739845887Please tell me how the bureaucrats are being given any more access than they already had? Just once.
>>739833960It’s kind of weird how regulations supposedly lead to some 1984 dystopian hellhole or what ever, when Fire Exits have been regulated as far back as the 1600s and well literally nothing happened.Nothing besides Fire Exit codes becoming more strict since Landlords and CEOs would rather just kill people than to spend money on making things safe.
/v/ has literally said for decades now that live-service games are a fucking cancer. It just wasn't called that back then. Many people didn't listen and now we are here. Same goes with online-only features that Xbox was rightfully creamed for. Nobody listened, now we are here where online-only is not just a feature, it's mandatory.
>>739845887>the literal only thing you had to do was not play shitty GAAS scams and this wouldnt be a problem.I didn't, but it started affecting series I did like and games I would've otherwised played.There is a reason why gacha games target whales and people with poor impulse control. It's a shitty mindset that infected the games industry and why live service shit keeps being pumped out DESPITE a lot of them flopping because one of them will be the next big thing eventually.I just want the confidence I can play a game without having to research if it is going to be playable in 20 years on a whim.
>>739845946see >>739845138
>>739824606Wait, so which side am I supposed to root for to be accepted on /v/?
>>739845887>the literal only thing you had to do was not play shitty GAAS scams and this wouldnt be a problemNo, you corporate defending cuckold. Let me be very clear on this: This wouldnt be a problem if corporations simply couldnt do this. But they can. And they did. And they pay cucks like you to defend them as they do it.Why should this kind of bullshit be tolerated in any way? It shouldnt. How could the consumers uproot this practice? They cant. So the government shall legislate. And you and your corporate masters will obey. It's that simple.
>>739846149>Wanting to be accepted by anonsNigger, we are all words on the funny lit up screen, make your own mind up.
>>739846073The people who want to spend 100k on a phone game should be allowed to if it is their desire. The market benefits. The company benefits. The user benefits. The only person that doesn't is some politics-brained activist.
Continue Killing Games
>>739846247I agree, and I think the whale deserves to have all 100k worth of things he bought accessible after game end of life.
>>739846251More like Stop Buying Games.
>>739846247>the market SHOULD be doctated by whalesAaaaaand you're fucking stupid.
>>739846247>The market benefits... by making more shit that targets that small minority of people at the expense of everyone else. Besides that, as >>739846282 pointed out, this would benefit the whale even more.
>>739845852I do not engage with American politics for the quoted reason, but I sincerely believe that I could align with almost any socioeconomic peer from anywhere in the country over any capitalist elite. What I find most discouraging is when I see normal ass people, with normal ass lives, get defending $500,000 police officer salaries all because they don't know what a fetus is or something. Like the level of media brainwashing is truly disheartening at times. I really think I could get along, and come to a consensus, with anyone if we say down at a diner at talked over a meal. The internet makes all that impossible and I hate seeing what it's done to normal folks.For what it's worth, I probably would be clocked as more liberal than conservative but I have no idea how anyone could tell because the definition of either of those is so rotted with internet brain disease that they mean almost nothing being red team / blue team and are no longer reflective of people's beliefs (those who even HAVE beliefs beyond "parrot what I saw on YouTube")
Writing to my guy in Brussels urging him to pass legislation that will ban all video games.
>>739846326It's the other way around. The people who spend money dictate the game's longevity.
>>739845962again, precedent.the precedent didnt exist before SKG.but with you LITERALLY FUCKING BEGGING for endless bureaucratic hell you've kinda gone and ruined it.>>739846208>buh buh ubuh bhub IF I CANT PLAY CORPORATE GAAS SLOP THEN WHAT CAN I PLAY???good games. you can play good games.>>739846073so you want SKG so that you can play shitty autobattler gachas forever?THE. ABSOLUTE. STATE.
>>739845852>Leftists haven't changed their agenda past imitating Stalinism.Shut the fuck up
>>739846429>so you want SKG so that you can play shitty autobattler gachas forever?Not me, I fucking hate those games. However, if someone does like those games who the fuck should I dictate what they should purchase, I just want them to have the confidence that their purchase can last.
>>739846428No one is spending money on Quake or Doom and yet those games still continue to live.
>>739846429Governments don't need "Precedent" to act within areas that are already de facto under their jurisdiction. That's not how fucking laws work.
>>739846329The whale does not give a shit about sunsetting games they've spent money. They crave novelty. The ones that do are often mid-sized whales that are financially devastated by their expenditures beyond the game itself.
>>739846095The question was answered by the very post it was replying to.
>>739846579Bold to speak for the whales there, buddy. Well I'm going to speak for them too, and I say they want everything they buy to be accessible forever.
>>739846429>you can play good gamesAND I can stop corporations from overstepping their bounds and taking my games away as I play indies.Win-win. You cant refute this point in any way.
>>739839840Lolberts are either people with financial incentive to (those companies that want to rape), or legitimate retards that fell for propaganda.Lolbert twitter legitimately advocates for legalizing child labor, just to give you some perspective into these “people’s” mindsets.
>>739840939This anon >>739840876 is blatant falseflag, pretending to be something SKG isn't to attract hate toward it
>>739846565True but they also exist in an economic niche, it doesn't preclude that they are supported in some way or fashion, just in the most minimal way possible. Time is money after all.
>>739846659do tell, how exactly can the corporations take away your indie games?
>>739846429>IF I CANT PLAY CORPORATE GAAS SLOP THEN WHAT CAN I PLAY???>good games. you can play good games.You see corporate cuckold, this misdirection towards indies simply wont work on me, because Idgaf about corporate games. But I DO care about the sheer power corporations have and the sheer amount of bullshit they can get away with. So I shall cut them down to size, before this becomes a problen that directly concerns me and the games I want to play.
>>739846705I want more than just small indie games to be playable after five years.
>>739843902The usual (You) problem.Self-agency was a mistake.
>>739846693And that's why I think that parts of SKG is a good thing to allow people who have time to spare to keep games that they like alive without having to reverse engineer shit and have the threat of publishers beating them down.I don't mind a game dying because literally no one giving a shit anymore and not playing, but it should have the possibility of becoming "alive" again if people gave a shit and put time into it years after the fact. Current model disallows such a possibility.
VETO THE MOTIONVETOOOO THE MOTION
>>739824724Kill yourself you antiwhite vermin.
>>739846705>We have acquired this indie studio and all their assets>Now you have to sign up for this mandatory login and always online drm to play this game you purchased>server goes under>Lol no refunds! Thanks for playing!
>>739846739>>739846768>>739846805so you just want more government control, got it.the jews are right, normalniggers ARE cattle that'll literally fucking beg for the boot.
>>739824992Nigga a bill made it out of committee that's step oneRead a book, preferably one on civics
>>739846876>still defending corporations being able to take your things awayYou are such a sad human being
>>739846662Hows your 401k, anon?
>>739846876Yes, I am in favor of using the government to my own ends and not letting only corporations have access to the levers of power.
>>739846876Let's be honest, a boot in modern society is being licked, either being worn by a government official or a CEO in a suit. Unless you go full anarchy (Good fucking luck), there is some hierarchical standing. Trying to argue over which boot tastes better is redundant.
>>WE HAD NO IDEA THAT THE GAME COULD POSSIBLY END ITS LIFE CYCLE AT SOME POINT>Actually it says right here in the EULA that this can happen.>>BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE EULA BEFORE I BOUGHT IT>Yes you did, it's freely available online. Plus, you have the option to refund if you disagree with the EULA after purchase.>>B-BUT I CAN'T BE EXPECTED TO READ A CONTRACT BEFORE AGREEING TO IT, WHAT IF IT SAYS THEY CAN KILL ME?>That's silly, plus this argument is about informed consent. You can't claim that you weren't informed if you agreed to the contract.Case closed. It's called personal responsibility.
>>739840984You niggers keep saying that shit, yet government having power got us safety standards, cleaner air, workers rights, etc.Meanwhile I can guarantee you that eventually Fire Exits would become monetized and require you watch 2 ads before being able to open (and the server glitches out anyways and doesn’t let you out during a fire). That shit doesn’t exist because government would fuck anyone up trying to pull that shit.
>>739844973only ones made by retarded devs like uhhh whatever the robot one is called
>>739846975Not legally binding, next.
>>739846963The moneyed interest of the people must always triumph over the ever-tightening will of a statemonger.
>>739846876You never did properly answer the question of "what control are we giving them". Just some bullshit about "precedent"
>>739846975EULA's are not legally enforceable, and no other legal document would allow for shit like your license being taken away "for any or no reason". That is an unfair contractual term and would be shot down in any other context.
>>739847037I don't agree, and I rather like regulations stopping me from being sold rotten meat and piss soda.
>>739844248>You're content with scammers being rewarded for dragging your entire hobby down.We are talking about the BIG PUBLISHER right?Scamming us into "buying game", more like "buy license to play their game until they decide to pull the plug".I prefer paying for Indie game, some of them don't even bother to have copy protection, and the multiplayer one can often be easily hosted on private servers.
>>739844747they just ripped off Quake and didn't get sued
>>739847037And the moneyed interest of the people is bent towards owning and keeping their purchased games.
>>739837641Could you stop defending antiwhite vandals destroying our nation and erasuring our Western values?Faggot
>>739847170>erasuringHello saar
>>739846994Yes anon, the government surely invented something called morality. It surely also invented something like systems theory management of which it always passes in flying colors, after all a system does what it purports to do rather than what it actually does. Those were all great hallmarks of the government intervening! The visible hand, or rather boot, if you will.
>>739844705>Child Labor laws are actually a crutch!Genuinely, fucking kill yourself.
>>739838475People like you should kill yourselves.Only one defending this shit is you.Plenty of great games aren't playable now due to official servers being dead and never getting fan ones.Devs can release server code so we can run them ourselves. Costs devs fuck all.Die in a ditch.
>>739847116Then so it shall if deemed true enough. In economics and sociology, this is what's known to be a "revealed preference".
>>739847260Morality has always been a threat to the bottom line. Surely you aren't arguing that corporations prefer to act in a moral manner?
>>739847068>unwritten rules and invisible lines in the sand? nope those dont exist.retards like you are why we needed the bill of rights. so that dumbasses like yourself wouldnt turn to the government to trade all your freedoms for security.
>>739831750>>739837605>>739840016>The pedophile right is still seething that you can't frame people for fraud in California. Nice to have yet another smoking gun that pedophiles, rightoids and corpos are all the same group.Consumer rights are coming for gamers in America, ESA shills,
>>739847338I'm saying moralfaggotry is not the end-all be-all.
>>739847359Wow so your answer is "Fucking nothing". No, unwritten rules and lines in the sand do not exist. If you can't legally challenge the law, then it gets passed whenever the government damn well pleases.
>Who cares if someone is being scammed from their products, their fault for purchasing it!Unironic, literal jeet mindset. This is how they think and operate when they call elderly people.
>>739845935If it's not government-approved it means I got the game illegally, so it doesn't change anything.Also buying good game is a (You) problem, "useless" game would be far worse if there are no laws (at all) to defend that you still intended some fun out of it.
>>739847334>and never getting fan ones.so the games were so unpopular that nobody even wanted to make a fan server?
>>739847359>>unwritten rules and invisible lines in the sand? nope those dont exist.Of course not. You write them down because "unwritten rules and lines in the sand" are nebulous gray area bullshit meant to be exploited without any consequence. SKG was started by a corporation doing just that
>>739847462>I'm actually a brilliant blue eyed Aryan because I got scammed by The Crewwhat did he mean by this?
>>739847471The government says piracy is illegal.
>>739839169Thefact you strawman with shooters when dozens of genres have online compotents shows how vile and dishonest yiu are kike. Plus many shooters are widely different so further dishonest.You lost and got raped.
>>739825991California is too busy passing laws based on race. They still won’t stop you from being deported.
>>739845981America has a proud tradition of corporations whining about any regulation that favors the working man over their profits.Of course the bigger pushers of this fear mongering right now are the ESA given their propaganda was riddled with lies about SKG to the point, Ross had to make a video to refute it all line by line to make sure the ESA's lies didn't take root.
>>739847554Thanks for putting words in my mouth dickhead.Telling people "just don't get scammed lol" is the jeet mindset when they perform scam calls. It's also the same with chinks, gypsy and all other forms of low life scum.
>>739847335>Then so it shall if deemed true enoughDeemed by whom?
>>739847372You're invoking something that cannot be reversed or so mired in red tape when it becomes hostile to not only the end-user but also the industry. This is yet another future when you let the government intervene into your hobby.
>>739839914And what aboutindie games with online functions?What happens when those indie devs kill the official servers?Nigger.
>>739847359lmfaoYou can't even articulate it
>>739844973>even multiplayer indie games rely on central server architecturePretty much every indie uses a p2p structure with one dev hosted server for matchmaking. That does not mean they need that server to function, it's just there for convenience sake. You'll still be able to play those game alone and all devs would have to do is add a prompt for directly punching in an IP address.
>>739847669Market realities.
>>739833960Industry should've self-regulated better than. Eat my entire ass.
>>739847759Market realities that can be manipulated? Hm.
>>739847750Like SKG is asking for. Got it.
>>739846994It's so retarded. The argument is fallacious bullshit about how trying to fix any problem might potentially cause vague and nebulous problems down the line possibly and that makes it a non-starter. Meanwhile everyone is actively being fucked in the ass by corporations enabled very specifically by the lack of regulation. They never have any examples of the regulation actually causing some knock-on cascade nightmare. Meanwhile the lack of regulation, or since we're talking about California the repeal of regulation, causes exactly those kinds of death-spiral situations, as with Enron.
>>739847807Piracy and emulation are a direct result of these realities, anon.
>>739846853>corporate cuckold stopped replyingKek so much for muh indies huh?
>>739846876>so you just want more government control, got it.As opposed to corporation control? Yes, I'll obviously make sure to keep control over the governmentGo lick your Libertarian leader's dick before he shadowbans you for being part of the duckspeak woke enemy.
> The bill applies to digitally sold games. However, it excludes games provided via subscription services, free-to-play games, and games that are inherently playable offline indefinitely. It also prohibits the continued sale or distribution of games that have become unusable due to service termination.California and meaningless feel good legislation with massive loopholes? A match made in heaven!If this is how the bill ends up being enacted, it will only push more big game developers into making their titles subscription only. A win for gamers' rights, I suppose.
>>739847882GO on, make infinite subscription and F2P games. It worked so well for television subscription services after all.
>>739847697>>739847697>If you don't allow corporations to steal your video games and money, you'll open pandora's box that will mark the end of video games.Imagine thinking this fear mongering would work /here/.
>>739847828>They never have any examples of the regulation actually causing some knock-on cascade nightmareIn this instance I am pro government but I have an example: IP laws. Theoretically, should protect creators and their works so they can profit off of them, but it has been so mangled due to corporations that creators see diddly of their own works while coporations profit off of them and tell people who actually give a shit about the property to fuck off.
Any reason everybody ITT isn't banned for being underage?
>>739847882>instead of a game being ripped out of your hands at a random point in time you'll have a clear expiration date...where's the problem exactly?
>>739847876>Must... buy... The Crew... I'm under corporate control!lol you government bootlickers are pathetic
>>739847834And DRM exists entirely to maniplulate those realities, yes. Thanks for proving my point
So what happens when this becomes promulgated, games will now have to be sold with expiry dates?
>>739847759People don't care about corpo profits and market shenanigans. We want protections for products we pay for, and a Government that doesn't let corpos screw us over. Its that simple. Fuck you capitalist pig. Get the fuck out of my state. California's leadership will guide citizens toward a market that puts people over profits.
>>739824606>Only for games released after January 1st, 2027Who fucking cares. This is a nothing bill.
>>739847980paid posters need to drive up site engagement so buying advertising looks more appealing
>>739848061Both of those exist in the same reality. The problem arises when the government steps in and says DRM should be mandatory.
>>739847565Corporation also say piracy is illegal, in fact for them consumers owning anything should be illegal.
>>739847260>Yes anon, the government surely invented something called morality.It doesn’t matter if the government requires Fire Exits out of the kindness of their heart or not.What does matter is those regulations do fucking exist and apply to everyone.Under your No Government method, Fire Exits aren’t legally required or regulated. That means all the great things about Fire Exits we enjoy today, like them being free to use and existing in every building, would NOT exist.Several buildings would not have a Fire Exit.Several others will have faulty Fire Exits that don’t open properly.Others would use fucking Subscription based models, so if you want to use it, you’d have to pay monthly for it.You MIGHT find some building that has a functional Fire Exit that’s free, ad-free, with 0 bullshit that we see with regulations. BUT that WON’T be every building you go into. When there is a fire, it WON’T always be that one.In what sense is the no Bullshit Fire Exits required by law everywhere worse than 99.9% Bullshit Fire Exits?
>>739848049>Must....defend.....Ubisoft.....killing games.....Government bad......You are truly pathetic vermin
>>739848091no, but they will require to give 60 days notice before officially shutting down
>>739848170Corporations are not who passes laws.
>>739847697Everybody watch. Every time the government does anything related to video games, this guy is going to go "I TOLD YOU, YOU BROKE THE INVISIBLE LINE YOU FOOLS"
>>739848168>The problem arises when the government steps in and says DRM should be mandatory.Which they do after megacorps lobby, pester, bribe and armtwist them to. I dont need to mention Nintendo's exploits on that front
>>739848232The lobbying industry says hello. Same with the "donations" given to candidates.
>>739848278>>739848280You're so close into getting it. Why do you think those incentives are even there? There must be some kind of body politic enabling it? For whatever reason? Despite it clearly impacting both the consumer and industry?
But Deus Ex told me corporations and government working together was real terror.
>>739848346Yes, surely what is allowing corporations to rape everybody to death is that there is a government to bribe, if we just get rid of the government then the corporations will be so happy they will give us free things.
>>739848367That's because it is.
>>739848441Who is saying to get rid of the government?
>>739848516You sure seem to dislike the government, dislike the consumers utilizing the government, and dislike corporations bribing the government. So what purpose do you hold for governance? A single long sheet of paper of basic and immutable rules, and an armed force that enforced them?
>>739848346>Why do you think those incentives are even there? There must be some kind of body politic enabling it? For whatever reason? Despite it clearly impacting both the consumer and industry?Excellent questions. We should stop corporations from being able to influence govenment decisions.>No no no, look away from the corporations, this is all the government's fault, dont blame the poor corposI cant even begin to comprehend this doublethink. You want to blame the government for passing bullshit laws and legislations, but not the corporations directly influencing (and in some cases, outright demanding) them to draft and pass said legislations. What the fuck?
>>739848049>I bought The Crew>we don't care, we pulled the plug, what you gonna do? not buy from us? our AI trollfarm are branding you as a woke commies pedo and us as defender of freddom
>>739847965Disney being absolute niggers aside, I would argue that on the whole, copyright laws have been a big benefit to the US. It's definitely got massive gaping issues (I would argue mostly caused by corporations and the "small government" faggots put in place by the judicial system that bend over for the corporations) but it seems preferable to the alternative of letting plagiarists steal all of your shit all the time, which is what happens in other countries that don't have robust IP laws.
>>739847882Californians are literally so statemongered they see it as a moral argument every single time. They are of an inconsolable, oversocialized and overpoliticized people. It reminds me of people using the fire exits and seat belt argument ad nauseam as some bizarre reason to bring in more government intervention wholesale, absent even of that of any deadly danger being an issue.
>>739848367Because it is.And this is the government fighting corporations, which is how it's supposed to work.
>>739848232The way you shit on those who actually defend you, corpo have less problem bribing them. At least that way they get money and won't be called commies all day for defending democracy.You get what you sow
>>739838017>So why should such cancer be ignored and not purged?This question has remained unanswered for 3 hours.
>>739848713Of course, that's why I mentioned the idea being sound, I wouldn't want to get rid of it entirely, but the way it has been fucked up in the past decades is staggering, and is one of the shields that a lot of shills in these threads hide behind.
>>739848749But enough about texas
>>739848686>literally arguing that the corporation is forcing you to buy the game
>>739848346So if we want corporation to not control us like a mafia, we need a democratic government with laws against that.Got it.
>>739848871You are shifting what is being discussed here. At what point am I "shitting people that defend me"? Am I anti-government? Do I seek to upturn our republic? No, you fucking moron. I just want video games to be left the fuck alone from the claws of the state.
>>739849002>literally lying to imply that corporation should have the right to take stuff away from you
>>739849002Nobody argued anything being forced. You need to argue why a corporation should have the ability to revoke access of a good they sold you whenever they feel like it.
>>739849154The claws of the state are already deep in video games, this changes nothing.
>>739849208Licenses can be revoked.
>>739849154>I just want video games to be left the fuck alone from the claws of the state.Then you need to prevent the corporation from using the state as bogeyman as their claws take games away from you
>>739849287Perpetual licenses are treated as a good, and they cannot be revoked.>but it wasn't perpetualYou don't get to say your game might be arbitrarily revoked at some time, you yourself don't know.
>>739849354which corporation is taking my indie games from me?
>>739849287And they have to comply with the law, otherwise they're null and void. I can write that you owe me everything you own in a contract we sign and it still won't mean you actually owe me.
STOPKILLINGGAMES
>>739849354What corpo is taking games away from me?
>>739849287And why would they deserve the right to do it as they wish without any reason?Why would you want everything to be licenses so the big man can take it away as he wish?
>>739824724>not wanting corporations to steal money from you is communism nowAmerica is too far gone
>>739849457STOPBEINGGAY
>>739849514Bootlicker
>>739849481>big manThe government? Barring that end-of-life plans and user-based post-game revival projects do exist, I don't see how enacting this into law would only do more good than harm.
>>739849465Any given corporation you buy games from that wishes to?>but I only buy indie gamesSo you logically don't care that we're limiting corporations.
>>739849439You never heard of corporation suing indy devs because they were ever so slightly inspired by their own product?Oh naive you are.
>>739849439>>739849465Find out when they buy out your indie game studio. :)
>>739824606If California is for it you know it's horrible for the consumer. Fuck it this shit needs to stop. Stop stop killing games.
>>739849573You've never actually owned a company or even company stock have you? Then you'd realize that's an actual good thing.
>>739849629It's been a consistently bad thing from my perspective as the consumer.
>>739849465Start reading EULA.
>>739849603On the contrary, this is one of the few times California is based. SKG!
>>739849629My games get taken away from me, which is what I'm worried about. Most indie companies aren't publicly traded, you retard. I couldn't invest in them even if I wanted.
>>739849565>>739849573so SKG should be about stopping large corporations from fucking with indie devs/studios rather than trying to preserve 3 GAAS slop games, then.
in Califagia you literally cannot legally run a company without hiring a certain number of women and trannieswhat a good idea giving them full power over video games
>>739849809No, actually I want the corporations to not kill their games either. Them not being able to kill the games of studios they bought is just a cool bonus.
>>739849882>giving themThey literally already have it. Nobody is giving them anything.
>>739849809If I pay money, I expect to be able to play that game indefinitely.
>>739849882>Government does bad thing>Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to do good thingsThey already have their claws in the vidya industry by your own example numbnuts, this is just getting them to do something good while they are strangling the vidya industry.
>>739849986muh invisible lines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44JXLX7wRDQNew pro consumer education video just dropped.Add it to this one which really goes into detail about how corporations are the sole villain in this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLDMOAlWLfc
>>739849287>Licenses can be revokedYep, corposhills are still so fucking stupid that they think using legalese arguments wins them favors.Products arent licenses, cuckold. That's why the government is bitchslapping you right now.
>>739849559Government man couldn't because he'd be bound by laws, made by representative you vote for.>Barring that end-of-life plansDecided solely by the corps, sometime the "plan" is just to take the game away from you (and make you look like a crybaby if you complain).>user-based post-game revival projects do exist,Usually illegal unless the game is abandonware.>I don't see how enacting this into law would only do more good than harm.Not limiting yourself to the Californian current proposal, SKG type law would encourage GOOD end-of-life plans and user-based post game revival to exist.It's win-win based on your own criteria
>>739849992what about when hardware/OS changes make the game unplayable, do you want the government for force devs to fix those games too?
>>739850101No bills demand this. Fortunately, devs are only being held to make their game playable for the hardware that exists at the time.
>>739850101Well yes. I paid money after all.
>>739850078Let's start talking like educated adults in this thread then by capping off with this question since we're all speculating. What do you think is the perverse incentive that gets created with this bill?
>>739849629>Then you'd realize Popcap getting acquired and strangled by EA is an actual good thing.You dont care about videogames
>>739849882How is asking them to not delete games, giving them power?
>>739850194I care more about videogames than you can possibly imagine.
>>739850243>hello yes wokeland? im giving you FULL PERMISSION to REGULATE AND RESTRICT MY HOBBY>ok. you now need 50 niggers, 50 women, 50 faggots, and 50 trannies in every game.>NOOOOOOOOOO HOW COULD I HAVE POSSIBLY SEEN THIS COMING!!!
>>739849809No it's about to stop large corporation from being allowed practice that fuck with consumers.They can buy out indies studio as long it's done legally,>than trying to preserve 3 GAAS slop games, then.Are you defending GAAS? Because not defending SKG literally mean preserving GAAS instead of "game you own".You get to chose if you preserve the game you bought, not them.
>>739850287>Indies getting acquired by megacorps is an actual good thing. You very clearly and provably dont care about videogames at all.
>>739850101all people are asking for is>don't give games a kill switch. why the fuck would you kill a game?>if the game requires servers, let people host their own so the game will keep workingtl;dr don't steal people's moneymicrosoft didn't destroy my copy of word 95. why can't you do the same for your shitty gacha?
>>739850371Why couldn't they have done this before now?
>>739850419I care about video games so much that I extend that notion in its market and industry capacity and robustness.
>>739850371Your smoothbrain ass is conflating SKG with DEI.
>>739850371They already do that willingly.
>>739850371They've not been given any permission over the hobby that they held before.They can literally only act once a company has made and then attempted to shut down their game.
>>739850371>>ok. you now need 50 niggers, 50 women, 50 faggots, and 50 trannies in every game.we already got those thanks to an unregulated market that lets corporations inject them without repercussions, you stupid retard
>>739850496So in other words, you care about video games only insofar as them being economically optimized. Fundamentally, this means you have no care of video games but do despise consumers.
>>739850496>I extend that notion in its market and industry capacity and robustness.So no, you dont care about videogames. Just the money flowing in the industry.
>>739850571>corpo games are the only games!the absolute state of SKG trannies.
>>739850573>>739850604Just playing video games doesn't make an industry. I can be someone that hasn't played a video game since 2005 but if I am involved within its economics, I am simply doing more than simply consuming it.
>>739850617>just only play indie titles forever>also get fucked if a corporation buys the indie dev
>>739850193I thought you wanted to talk like educated adult. So why are you asking a dumb childishly loaded question?Your question is in fact more speculating than what SKG is about, since SKG would incentivize good practice we've already tested before: Games that are mostly up to the player to keep alive.
Something tells me this guy likes steam chart threads.
>>739850026>the government already ruined things so just let them ruin things morethe power of progressive thinking
>>739850678>Just playing video games doesn't make an industryYeah, it did. That's all videogames were prior to 2008. You have proven yet again that you dont give a single fuck about videogames.
>>739850752indie devs only get bought if they let the corporation buy them.if an indie dev is so low as to let a corpo buy them out, they would've inevitably done the shitty corpo things themselves.
>>739850839How would SKG ruin things more?
>>739850839As compared to corporations, who we all know only make good decisions.
>>739850914Someone never learned about hostile takeovers.>but they don't have stock to buyYou can force a company to sell in many ways.
>>739851006do tell, how can you force an indie dev to sell out?
>>739850458they are literally doing it now with your helpthat is the point
>>739850914>ndie devs only get bought if they let the corporation buy themNobody in this shitty board is this fucking naive. You really think you're fooling anybody?
>>739851092Buy their building out from under them if they have an office, exert market pressures to ensure they have a rough time advertising or selling their game, any number of underhanded but legal tactics can be employed you know.
>>739851112and they couldnt do this earlier because....
>>739851112So they were helping me the whole time? Well then I support them I guess. If they try a different law, I won't support them. Seems pretty easy.
>>739851160ok so SKG should be about preventing that rather than preserving two GAAS slop games.
>>739851230>If they try a different law, I won't support them. Seems pretty easy.thats the funny part, they wont NEED your support because they can just say>oh but people wanted this other game regulating law so its OK!you are a useful idiot thats helping them get their foot in the door
>>739847359Fuck the Bill of RightsFuck the US ConstitutionFuck the Founding FathersFuck Jews, Niggers, Trannies, etc.And most importantlyFUCK JANNIES
>>739851236No, I'm going to instead pass a law that stops corporations from killing their own games AND killing indie games they buy. I'll also stop indie devs for doing it by themselves, fuck it.
>>739850371>full permissionagain, how is asking them to not delete games, giving them full permission?
>>739851236>SKG should be about preventing that rather than preserving two GAAS slop games.If you feel that way, go start another petition to prevent that. Dont try to derail an existing initiative.Well, not like you could do either. If you could, you wouldnt be here shitposting for a paycheck
>>739851236Nah, SKG as is will prevent any actual games from being actually damaged even after a hostile takeover, so I see no harm to it.
>>739851379That's not how laws work, retard.>look, we were allowed to pass a law, that means we can pass any other lawThere are already regulations on the books regarding games. Nothing new is happening. No new precedent is being set.
>>739851236>ok so SKG should be about something elseThe desperation is palpable. You corporate rats are really having a bad day today
>>739851483thats literally how they operate, learn how beurocratic government works before its too late.the government is not your friend, it will never be your friend, you are falling for bait that'll be used to make things so much worse for you down the line.
>>739851645>that's how they operateOkay so there was no stopping them to begin with, I'll still support the brief win before the inevitable infinite assrape I guess. Woe is us, but I still don't want corporations killing games.
>>739851379And if we let corporations get away with what they're doing right now, it will embolden them. Say goodbye to your game the moment a sequel comes out, or anything a publisher released that's older than 10 years, or any you dare to mod, or dare to run on an unsanctioned OS, or post it online in a way thay vaguely hurts the company's reputation.
>>739851645Yeah so we should just accept corporate bullshit quietly. Because the alternative to resisting them is so much worse. Is that your point?
>>739851728again you are giving them permission. stop before its too late.
>>739846975court rooms wipe their asses with EULA's all the time friend.
Do you think any government will implement a good law for this or they will fail spectacularly because most of them are boomers who don't understand this field and they will pass laws that do nothing or even give more power to devs to screw us?
>>739851762NOOOOOO STOP PLEASE STOP LETTING GAMES LIVE THEY NEED TO FUCKING DIE STOP NOOOOOOOOOOOOOlol
>>739851762hmmmm, nah. It's worth it to fuck corporations over.
>>739851762They don't need my permission, clearly. You said so yourself, if they pass any law in a field, they can pass every law they feel like without any permission. They have already passed gaming regulations before this, we're already doomed.
>>739851762>NO! STOP! THINK OF MY MASTER'S PROFITS IF HE CAN'T KILL HIS GAME ON THE LAUNCH DAY OF THE SEQUEL!I think I'm good. The government exists in part to be a power counterbalancing corporations where people can't.
>>739851221I nootice he's ignoring this question...
>>739851645They aren't your friend, but in this case, they are your ally against your real enemy, corporations stealing your money.
>>739851645>But if you allow the government to do [good thing] then they might continue doing [good thing]Good. Video Games are underregulated, even in Europe where the government gives a slight shit about its people.Cry more.
>>739850936yes because bad corporations go out of business while bad governments just take more of your shit when they fuck up
>>739851762They need permission?
>>739849287by that logic then piracy isn't stealing.
>>739852003You don't actually believe that do you? No, corporations get bailed out, sometimes by other corporations.
>>739852032It isn't. It's copying.
>>739851762I’m giving then permission to protect me and protect my rights
>>739851645>>739851762>the corposhill is so defeated and exhausted that all he can do is weakly beg people to stop nowYou love to see it.
>>739852003>yes because bad corporations go out of businessSource
>>739851006>You can force a company to sell in many ways.Usually require a fucking lot of effort, many of them being completely fucking illegals.>>739851160Extremely costly and time-consuming to buy out one indie dev, and if the indie dev is JUST THAT GOOD, he'll be Mojang rich, selling his game to corpo for BILLIONS knowing it was dying anyway and that players are looking into other indies pearl now.Not every "underhanded but legal tactics" are rewarding you know.
>>739852165good morning saar
>>739852165>yeah but the consumers deserve it anyways, the corporation spent a lot of money to kill your gameInstead, I'm just gonna make it illegal? Sorry. Just gonna change the law. Just going to. Oops.
>>739851236SKG would already fight against that since it would prevent corpo from making undue profit using GAAS and instead have to compete with indy developers on game you actually own
>>739852271>the ESL shill is now trying to present regulations on corporations as pro-corporate
I don't think selling a license should be a thing. Like, in the first place. I think when you sell software that should include everything short of the right for a buyer to re-publish it. It's files on their computer, they have permission to copy and paste and modify them.
>>739851645>the government is not your friend, it will never be your friend,It's not but it is yours, and it is your only tool against your enemies, like plutocrat corps trying to take government away from you.
>>739831750Most people in NY are registered Democrats because the primary matters more than the general election.
>>739844747Lost technology. Like pyramids or hanging gardens.
>>739824606thats great, but California is a spearheading state to make us all verify our age on PCs for even offline user profiles.
I'm really sick of talking to this idiot. His entire stance just hinges on the asinine idea that we're giving the government tacit permission to rape our babies by asking them to stop corpo scams.
>>739852370License aren't evil by default.Not every software can be self-supporting from start to the moment you move away. So the license is also a contract saying the developers is required to help you use it for a finite/indefinite duration, or move on to another software, including competitors.There's just no reason you should be coerced into buying licence when a different model would be fairer and better.
>>739824606>play live service>it stops being live>they still want serviceSure, that checks out.
>>739852003Lolbert Fantasy: Companies doing morally bad things get punished for it by the market.Reality: Company does morally bad thing because its profittable, and rarely see justice without government intervention.Sometimes its boiling pot.Sometimes its whales keeping them afloat.Sometimes its shareholders funding them.Sometimes they delete negative reviews and threat employees to give positive reviews.Sometimes (actually most of the time) they just cover-up their wrong doing.Sometimes that just fucking kill people who would be whistleblowers.The “Free Market” Method requires you to jump through multiple hoops to prevent a conpany from fucking you in the ass.The “Socialist-Communism-1984” Method just requires the government to step in.
>>739852980this was probably a really epic gift to give a kid two years ago.
>>739852792Anon, it's high time you realized you're talking to a paid shill. There was never any chance of you getting through to him, he's just some jeet posting lines off a premade script in a language he can just barely understand
>>739853132At least we can show onlookers how much he's talking out his ass.
>>739852792Just remember to avoid the low effort dumbass.
>>739852068It is funny to see the corpo shills resorting to russian tactics and seeing people even ignoring that tired and true derailing bait, which makes the shills fear and desperation further erode their will.
>>739851221>it didn't happen yet so therefore it can't happen even though I am actively trying to make it happenthe power of progressive logic
>>739853894I still have yet to see how this is going to change anything. You keep saying that this is the real turning point but you can't even evidence that, just fearmonger.
>>739853894You can't answer the question.
>>739851798>court rooms wipe their asses with EULA's all the time friend.I'm too stupid to be allowed to knowingly agree to a contract because... I'm a gamer!
>Bricks & Minifigs has been getting into hotwater recently>Taking $200,000 worth of Legos from an elderly man>Breaking contracts>Lying directly about what was on the contract>Lying to the family about giving it back after having the family record an apology video>Asking the family to apologize to them in the first place>Caught sending out emails to have their employees lie, deny, and delay everything>After losing small claims court, literally fucking closes down the store>Corporate straight up told the family to fuck off and they’ll make sure bigger lawsuit would drain them their entire wealth>They’re still doing this after millions of views across multiple YouTubers and having their entire reputation destroyed and losing more money than the $200,000 they stoleAnd Anti-SKGniggers expect me to side with companies like Ubisoft and give my consumer/employee rights up.This Yids are breaking the law already. With NEGATIVE profits.Imagine the shit they would do without the law being in the way? They would have just taken the life savings worth of Legos, killed the family for technically being on their property, and majority of people wouldn’t be the wiser. If an E-celeb wanted to expose them, they’d just bribe YouTube and have their account perma-banned.And this shit only happens in America because of corpo bootlicking faggots who think Child Labor laws and 40 hour work weeks are the devil, while Europeans get to enjoy their rights not to be fucked over by corporations.
>>739833960Hey I agree with your point of view! Governments shouldn't meddle with private properties! That being said, what do you think about copyrights, anon?
>>739824606>contact your state senate representatives right away, convince them to give this bill their full unconditional supportWhy would they need convincing to pass a bill that gives their regulatory offices more Power?
>>739854132What power, tho
>>739854029I refuse to be held to a contract that has no legal bearing on anything. I simply do not care about what the EULA tells me, it is corporate fanfiction.
>>739854171It's in the name for their offices.
>>739853306The audience are aware of their bullshit and know what to look for. The corposhill shill can scream BUY INDIE GAMES all he wants because that's the only thing he can say. He cant say that corporations being able to revoke purchases on a whim is a problem, but he cant defend it in any way either so the only option available is to shift attention away from that fact.
>>739824606>with their approval and a signature from Governor Gavin Newsom himself.He won't sign it unless it has some caveat where the studio can pay him a few million to be exempt.
>>739850371>”But if you have the government just protect your consumer rights, THEY’LL JUST ADD 5,000 NIGGERS AND TRANNIES AND FAGGOTS TO YOUR GAME!!!”>*Ignores games already doing this*>*Ignores games and media already having plenty of regulations already, for normal people’s benefits*>*Ignore how if the government wanted to do that, they could have just done it already*When Republican lose in 2028, I want Democrats to make being a Libertarian/Republican retard illegal and start gunning down people in the street. IQs will suddenly increase despite the NlGGERs still roaming around. Next burn the US constitution, all of George Orwell’s Library, all Lolbert books like shit written by Hoppe, and erase all evidence of its existance so future generations don’t grow up sucking corporate cum through a straw.Fuck you.
>>739854664>He won't sign itIt empowers the bureaucracy; that's the open door all of this is pushing on.
>>739855307The bureaucracy is not empowered by this in any way. This is not the first games regulation ever.
>>739855426>This is not the first games regulation everCorrect, it's more regulation, which means more Power to the bureaucracy.
>>739855491In other words, you think all regulation is bad, and that the perfect way to do anything is to never use the government and only let the corporations use it.
UGHHJH NOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST NOT SUPPORT US CORPORATIONS WHEN WE SHUT DOWN THE GAME YOU PAID FOR AHHHHHHHHH
>>739824724>it's communism to be anti-cronyismLAAARP
I'm as Libertarian as they come, but sometimes a corporation DOES need to get violently assfucked by the government for refusing to actually adhere to the free market and respecting consumers
>>739855753That checks out for me, freedom goes both ways.
>>739855662With how they're trying to frame communism as anything even slightly pro consumer, they're going to inadvertently make this comic a reality.
>>739854231oh well then if that's how consumers operate I wonder why corporations think it's ok for them to shut down a game whenever they feel like it
>>739855574>you think all regulation is badNo. When did I say "bad"?>the perfect way to do anything is to never use the government and only let the corporations use itWhat part of "pushing on an open door" did you miss?>>739855753>I'm as Libertarian as they come, butSo you're not. Good, you have at least one (1) shred of sanity.>>739855850>freedom goes both waysNo, it a-way, always. It's called hierarchy.
>>739824724HE'S A SABATUER, GET HIM!
>>739855919Huff my balls
>>739855887Which is why we wield the government as a bludgeon anyway. Your EULA isn't real and I can prove it.
>>739831660>all the momentum of this initiative is thanks to this retardwould have died if he said nothing lmao
>>739855952I'll accept your concession instead.
>>739855887>I wonder why corporations think it's ok for them to shut down a game whenever they feel like itProbably some kind of deluded confidence that they're untouchable and there's no way the stupid goyim gamers would ever unite against themWelp, here we are.
>>739840984This is literally the same level of power they already had. They're just now applying it to the corpos instead of the common man.
>>739856575>They're just now applying it to the corpos instead of the common manA certain section of small-potato "corpos," dwarfed in both size and Power by a company most well-known as a search engine, yes.
>>739857414Well if Alphabet already controls the government, who fucking cares? They won't be able to kill games either>they're going to make everything subscription basedGood luck.
>>739857542>if Alphabet already controls the government, who fucking cares?Wow, I wonder where all of those internet ID laws are coming from...>>they're going to make everything subscription basedYour brain is a polished sphere.
>>739857414This is the video games board, mister.
>>739857651Okay, so the government is evil, and the corporations are running it. So why do I oppose the stop killing games measures? Apparently my support or opposition does fucking nothing.
>>739857721And?>>739857749>So why do I oppose the stop killing games measures?Do you? You seemed to be defending them.>Apparently my support or opposition does fucking nothingCorrect. The Government can and will ignore any petition or referendum that comes to its desk if it goes against their interests, and will only approve one if it benefits their interests. Hence, "pushing on an open door." Did you ever think democracy, political "muh representation," would make you more "free"? No, it just made Authority more dishonest, more duplicitous, more subversive; all on the backs of dishonest, duplicitous, subversive oikophobes 250 years ago.
>>739858106Okay, so you're here to preach that everyone is powerless, nothing we think matters, and that the Alphabet US state will win. Okay,Well I still support SKG.
>>739858106>Do you? You seemed to be defending them.Do I know what rhetorical means!?
>>739858106We talk about video games here.
>>739858203>everyone is powerless, nothing we think matters, and that the Alphabet US state will winThat is a neutral reading of the current political reality of the West, yes. Good thing we got rid of that evil, rotten, Tyrannical™ Monarchy, huh?
>>739858308Yeah, instead of a handful of insane pedophiles, we could be at the beck and call of merely a single insane pedophile!
>>739855887>>739856181It's because video game publishers saw how movie and TV streaming gutted the physical market of owning movies and TVs in favor of streaming to the point they could take away shows from people and they just accepted it and thought gamers would be equally whipped dogs.Hell IIRC one of the heads of Ubisoft said that gamers are used to owning their games and that's something they needed to change.
>>739858471At least no one would breathe down your neck saying (You) "chose" the insane pedophile. At least if the insane pedophile was insane enough to displease his Army, there'd be no incentive to just wait around until someone else was in charge. At least the fickle masses wouldn't have a hand in electing a revolving door of Elites who will only end up supporting old agendas a day into their term.
>>739858813So yeah, it's generally worse. The dream of an autocracy is a good ruler. The reality of an autocracy is every single autocracy.
How does this work? Will anyone who actually knows what they're talking about go to argue for or against this bill to get it passed or is it just a bunch of boomer politicians who don't know anything voting on it?
>>739858889Read the bottom of >>739858106 again; democracy didn't make the muh heckin' Authoritarianism™ go away, it just made it sneakier.
>>739859068No, it made it distributed. Intrinsically less efficient.
>>739859157>Intrinsically less efficientAnd you think that's a good thing.
>>739859289Yes, it is typically better to add inefficiencies to bodies that only every try t fuck everyone else's life up. A king gives a decree, people die. A senate floors a decree, they talk about it for three years, and it might eventually pass with so many compromises nothing changes.
>>739859472>A king gives a decree, people dieSovereign is he who decides the state of exception. Remember 2020?
>>739859531And you think 2020 would somehow have gone better under a Kingdom? A King doesn't need "Emergency power". The King just does shit. I still have yet to hear a single advantage that Monarchy brings me.
