If you use the "rewind feature" or save states that's now standard on many NES and SNES games available on NSO, you DID NOT by any stretch of the imagination beat the god damn game.
Sure, but I played it from beginning to end ;)
Is it really 10 inches
I can't refute that, my dick isn't as big
How did Mike cuck James so hard
>e-retard thread
This thread is absolutely BROWN BRICKS
>>739828192>OP: How mike sees himself>picrel: how the rest see him
>>739828192They hated him because he told the truth.
>>739829362James is mentally challengedOnly a retard would be friends with a monster shlong subhuman gobloid cretin
It's funny how this totally innocuous argument made so many seethe. It's true.Complete the game? Yes. "Beat" the game? No.It's like someone with an aimbot talking about their K/D ratio being the best in the deathmatch.
>>739828192I still beat all the challenges and levels the game has, I just cut out all of the back tracking and repetition that old games depended on to waste more of your time and/or take more of your money. Dying to a boss and having to do the entire game and/or level over is bullshit and devs know it, thats why its a game design that hasn't really returned and checkpoints/saving is now the norm.
>>>/vr/
>>739828192If you beat a modern port of a game using the modern port's features, you absolutely beat that port of the game. Die mad about it faggot.
>>739828192He has a pointBut also I dont care
>>739830402Does someone who uses an aimbot have good accuracy?
>>739830402No, you didn't
>>739830435Why are you so mad? You didn't beat the game but you're mad about it?
>>739830763Yes, it aims for you. It's a cheat tool.
>>739830926just like rewinding and save states cheats for you
>>739828192Mikes a faggot but he is correct. Pressing undo everytime a bird hits you into a pit in Ninja Gaiden 2 doesnt count as beating it.
>>739830763Apples to oranges. Save states arent completing difficult platforming sections or auto-killing enemies and bosses for you the way aim bot aims for you. You still have to beat the boss or the level with your own skill, but now you dont have to spend 15 more minutes redoing things you already mastered just to get to the part of the game you actually need to learn to beat.
>>739828192>If you cheat, you didn't beat the game.Seems pretty self-evident?
what if I use a save state cause I was sleepy
>>739830763Save states are more comparable to check points or just a standard save feature. Saving in a videogame doesnt mean you didnt beat it.
>>739831354but you didn't beat anything without using a save state, cheating ass retard
>>739831559But I did. Saving before a boss so I dont have to track through the monotonous level again doesnt mean I still didnt memorize the bosses moves and push the right buttons to make his health go down. I did the same things you did to beat the boss.
>>739828192New Loco Banditos when?
>>739828192I beat the games well over a decade ago. I'm allowed to cheat this time.
>>739829919Both are mentally challenged. James is just better at hiding it now while Mike still acts like a 12 year old.
>>739828192I only consider beating the game if you complete it using the same ruleset used in any% speedruns, but without the timer.This means you can turn off/on the console, close and open the game, hard reset, glitches etc...You don't need to do it on one sitting, you just can't use things that wouldn't be permitted on a speedrun.You don't need to complete the game to beat it.But completing the game doesn't necessarily mean you beat it.
>>739831806No, you didn't lmao thats why you had to save the game lil zoomnigger, because you couldn't beat the game
>>739830869Why does me beating a game using the built in features of that game upset you so much?
>>739832292I did though. I beat the level, then i beat the boss at the end of the level. The save state just helps me not have to beat the level 20 more times just so i can keep attempting the boss fight. I know you're not arguing in good faith but its still fun to see you autists seethe.
>>739832390Read your own post.You didn't beat the game.Those features weren't built in the game before it was ported.
>>739828192>owns a legit copy of Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire>has a 10-inch cockMike "Motherfucking" Matei won at the game of life.
>>739832487His initial post specifies that he beat the port. Which he did. Using port features.
i never got into the habit of save states tried to start using them on password screens but always forget
>>739828192On the other hand, some old games were retarded with the save points.
>>739832487But theyre an official feature of the modern port. The devs put in it so it can be used. Do you REEEEEE like this at people who save in morrowind or new vegas and say they didnt actually "beat" the game? Lol
Ok Mr. anon reading this gay post I wrote, let's say you used save states to practice a hard part of the game without having to redo the level. You DID replay the whole game without save states to test your "mastery" afterwards, right? Please say yes...
>>739832390>built in featuresdumb zoomnigger>>739832482You didn't, you had to save because it was to hard for you to beat :)
>>739828192Based. Kids these days need to learn how to get gud.
>>739832528he didn't beat the game
>>739832629You did something that gave you an advantage that wasn't available when the game came out and wasn't planned by the devs, so no. You didn't beat the game. We didn't have "practice saves" back in the day, and we beat the games just fine.
>>739832629>>739832594the only legitimate use of save states is as a replacement for screenshotting/writing down a password so literally only on password screens
>>739832708This, if you use ANY save states to practice you WILL NEVER BEST THE GAME
>>739832487>>739832634>dumb zoomniggerWait until you dumbfags learn I'm 40 and pissed off nerds like you in the 90s by using the Konami code and Game Genie.
>>739832708I didn't do shit besides ask a question nigger now answer the question or fuck off if it doesn't apply to you. Holy fuck you people are autistic.
>>739830402Cope: The Post
>>739828192BROWNRICKS
>>739832796GET GUD NIGGER THAT'S YOUR ANSWER PLAY THE GAME LIKE IT WAS SUPPOSE TO
>>739832634Still beat the game just like you. Same enemies, same obstacles, same mastery of mechanics, just less of my time wasted.
We should dox "pepole" that don't use savestates btw
>>739832854Hang yourself on Twitch or something
>>739828192Agreed of course, but none of them are worth the pain of going through legit. This kind of game design dies for a reason.
>>739832854You didn't beat shit except your small meat you virgin loser.
>>739828192Why do people make Twitter ragebait threads, when you can make actual on topic threads like these and get 3x more people mad? Nobody ever agrees on this topic.
>>739832795you still never beat the game 40yo zoomnigger
I use save states and I say I've beat those games. Nobody can tell the difference between me and a seething autist who doesn't use save states, and it's great.
if i played thorough half life start to finish on hard without saving once did i beat the game?
>>739832984I did beat the game and it makes you SO MAD.
>>739830402unfathomably basedonly retards waste their life on repeating the part of the game they've already played through after dying, especially if it's a whole fucking level or some retarded long boss runbackst. fellow quicksave chad
>>739833046Yes but it has to be pistol and crowbar only
>>739832854No you didn't lmfao you needed save states because you couldn't beat it
>>739833048You don't even play games.
>>739833085it was crowbar for anything up close and pistol if it was too far away to thwack and i did it in VR too
>>739833048You didn't that's why you are mad and trying to convince yourself you did(you didn't btw)
>>739832984>I beat skyrim and I made sure to save every hour so I dont lose my progress>REEEEEE YOU DIDNT ACTUALLY NEAT IT YOU HAVE TO BEAT IT WITHOUT SAVING NOOOOOthis is how retarded you sound.
I will not play old dungeon crawlers without save states. Specially those retarded games with one save point at the beginning of the 1,000,000 floor dungeon. No shortcuts between floors either, gahook! I only save states at the start of floors. Saves days of time.
notice how the frogniggers and le redditchad posters all suck at games lmfao
>>739833173Skyrim doesn't have save states dumb-dumb.
>>739833236unlike us based trans folks, who play games AND LIFE on hard mode
>>739833109>>739833159SEETHING LMAO
>>739833173>b-but modern g-game!!1!1!I accept your concession, retarded didn't beat the game nigger
>>739828192Didnt all those games come with shit like cheats for extra lives and level skips?
Based. To think that zoomeroids think using savestates/rewinds are quality of life features.
>>739833324
>>739833293Good for you little trans frogposter, but you didn't beat the game, Hope this helped!
>>739830402Doing the entire level and boss in one go is the challenge retard. You didn't beat shit, you went on a sightseeing tour
>>739833365Some of them did, but those were usually just dev tools that got left in as an easter egg for dedicated gamers and guide book readers.
>>739833365get a load of the retard
>>739832854This. I do the same with ER, I just rewind on bosses. If the boss hits me, its bad game design.
I am sad you do not approve, Internet stranger
>>739833329So no argument, got it. Saving aint cheating.
If you use the warp pipes you didn't beat the game
a lot of "people" in this thread never beat festers quest and it shows
Just for argument's sake, what if, perchance, I, maybe, do not care about the specific metric of "beating the game according to random onionface person's opinion". Again, a mere phylosophical devil's advocate.
The real important piece here isn't any social prestige or validation, it's that using save states and shit to force custom checkpoints or outright cheese sections of retro action games fundamentally breaks the design of the game itself. I'm not going to open the whole "are games art" debate on top of this already shit thread, but if you're playing games to appreciate them as intentional creations (as opposed to "I need bright lights to make my brain stop talking") then you fundamentally remove intended pacing, tension, and general design elements using said features.
maybe if zoomers stopped watching nigger streamers and gooning to mtf onlyfans whores they could actually beat a game without cheating one day
>>739830402Now they make you waste your time running around in empty open worlds, so nothing has changed.
>>739833709Then leave the thread and go play how you want without waiting for someone on /v/ to approve of your behavior. Unless you're just here to shitpost, then enjoy yourself.
>>739833460>Doing the entire level and boss in one go is the challenge retard. You didn't beat shit, you went on a sightseeing tourSave states literally prevent sightseeing tours that consist of spending 2-3 minutes running back to the boss.
>>739828192I just use speed up.
>>739833729And improve the game. My art is clearly superior because I'm having more fun with it
>>739833740lmao zoomers doing anything except fapping to cuck porn, yeah right
>>739833709then you have no problem admitting you did not beat game, but we all know that you do care, a lot
>>739833460But I did beat it. I still jumped over the traps, killed the enemies, took a hit here or there, died a couple times, etc. I just used a save state before the boss to save time because old games were designed to be repetitive time wasters. Still beat the challenges, still experienced everything the game had to offer.The fact that normal people both valuing their time and still beating the same games as you pisses all you autists off is hilarious
>use save states on hard part>get so good at it you no longer need them on replay
>>739833945You didn't beat the game.
>>739833875>YOU DIDN'T BEAT THE GAME>ADMIT IT>YOU DIDN'T BEAT IT>YOU DIDN'T BEAT IT>Heh, you care so much about thisNTA but I beat the game
the user above is trans btw
>>739833945This is ultimately why retards hate save states. You can get just as good if not better at the game in a fraction of the time because you used a normal modern feature that respects your time.
>>739833945Ugguu mommy I need save states in muh haard paaarts mommyyy I can't beat them like a man mommy IT'S HARD MOMMY IT'S NOT FAIR BUAAHHH
>>739833709then you should be fine with people saying that you didnt beat the game (which you in fact didnt), without going into a passive aggressive spergout to defend your ego.
>>739832854>same mastery of mechanicsThis is absolutely not true. In a lot of retro games, replaying the game is exactly how you obtain higher mastery of the mechanics. It's doubtful you utilised the game's scoring system, which very often was how you obtained extra lives, and obtaining score is tied to player skill. In Revenge of Shinobi on the Mega Drive for example, you obtain a point bonus at the end of the stage for not using ninjutsu, which helps build toward more extra lives, and increases your healthbar. Replaying the game and understanding these mechanics makes the gameplay completely different from a first playthrough. It is selectively choosing to ignore elements of the game design for the sake of "convenience."Would you think someone who does a "no death run" of a game by loading a state every time they died, and someone who does it without savestates, are of the same level of skill?
>>739834012if you didn't care you would just admit you didn't beat the game, yet here you are trying to convince yourself you accomplished somethingSAD!
>>739828192I don't use these features. I also don't give a shit if someone else does. It doesn't affect me in any way.
>>739828192I won't refute this but I had still had fun playing the game so it doesn't really matter to me that much.
>>739834096I can beat castlevania levels with my eyes closed but the bosses are where I struggle. Making me redo the levels I already mastered just so I can attempt the boss again is definitionally time wasting game design.
>>739834096>because you do X that must mean that you do Y and ZSave states mean I can spend more time playing the game, therefore I'm going to be better than you
>>739834310>It's unfair the boss beats me! I should not face any consequences for losing! I am too pathetic to get gud so I cheat...
>>739834360Why don't you load your last save and try to actually answer his question this time?
>>739828192Reminder that he cucked Joe Redifer
>>739834309You dare bring logic and humility here
>>739830926So things that are absent from the game itself that gives you an edge over the inherent mechanics or "rules" of the game are cheating?>>739831548I bet you used to change the rules of games when you were a kid so you always won.>>739831806>I did the same things you did to beat the boss.Let's say someone makes a save state every single second. Is that still valid?There's one extra button you pressed that I didn't: the one that made you skip the whole game."The game" isn't just getting to the end, it's getting to the end while the game tries to stop you. If you get to the end, within the rules, then you "beat" the game, as in you bested it. If you change the rules to make yourself win, then you changed the game, and you didn't beat it.Let's say that two people are playing a game where one person has to get from one side of the room to the other, and the opponent needs to stop him. If the opponent tackles the room-crosser and pins them, then the room-crosser must return to the wall and start again.Now let's say the room-crosser stands up and says "okay, because I've already taken five steps, I'm going to start again from where I am now", is that a valid move within the rules of the game?
>>739834310you can't beat the game, maybe try getting good
>>739832698Again, since illiterate is your middle name, he beat the port.
>>739830402>I removed the penalty for fucking up so I beat the game despite fucking up"No."
All of these modern collections of old games include save states and rewind and thus are NOT cheating because the literal company who created / owns the games allows it
Imagine being so bad at video games you cheat with save states then you cope by deceiving yourself beliving you beat the game.
>>739834309based fun haver who admits they didn't beat the game
>>739834593>I BOUGH THE IP SO THE CANON IS MIIIINEEEEEE
>>739834420>he used a modern feature the devs added to play the game, THATS NOT FAIR!!! He didnt beat the game even though he technically did! I beat it betterer!You dont have a lot going on in your life, do you kid?
>playing chess with someone>you make a move>they counter-move>this puts you in a worse position>"Wait, let's go back, so I'll do THIS move instead.">"Okay, then I'll do--">"No, you have to do the same move as last time, only I get to take back moves.">Later...>"Yes, I won!"Of course you won, moron.It's why playing games with blunder alerts and warning markers doesn't count to your ELO.
>>739834310There will always still be individual variance in each run back through the level. I would be doubtful that you reach the boss with the same health, same amount of hearts, same weapon level etc every single time. In castlevania specifically some bosses don't have enough candles to get your whip to maximum, or don't provide certain subweapons beforehand, so loading a state and dying are fundamentally different experiences. You haven't mastered the stage because the boss is part of that stage.
>>739834667Oh are we debating canon now?
>>739834545did not beat the game
>>739834717>autist cant distinguish between reality and videogamesKek
Mike was (as usual) right.
>roll a 5 and land on a snake>"Haha tough luck br-">"Uh ackshually I'm just gonna roll again until I get a better roll. I'll be back here anyway so what's the point of going all the way down?"
>>739834845Games have rules. What do you think the "games" part of the word "video games" means?Also it's called a comparison, or analogy, but you have to shift definitions so you don't look like a retard.
>>739834542But I did? I beat the levels, the bosses, I even got the "congratulations" screen just like you.
>>739834445I did load a save
>>7398346831-) It's not the devs who added that feature. It was the port team.2-)Buying a game doesn't mean you beat it3-)You are still using features not found in the original release of the game, thus you didn't finish it4-)go back to r*ddit to your peers.
>>739834979And if the devs add a save feature to their own game, thats officially updating the "rules" of the game. Checkmate retard
Why did they remove the poster count again?
>>739834096>Would you think someone who does a "no death run" of a game by loading a state every time they died, and someone who does it without savestates, are of the same level of skill?They both beat the game. The problem with your reasoning is that just beating the game is not a meaningful measure of skill. If a retard spends 200 hours completing a game and eventually brute forces his way through the game without savestates, while another person uses a savestate one time to skip a lengthly boss intro cutscene after they died, are they equally skilled?
>>739835003>I beat the levelsNo you didn't. The aim is to get to the end of the level while the game tries to stop you. If the game stops you (i.e., you died) then the game beat you.
It's not that you got through easier, it's that you missed the actual experience provided for youIt's for people who don't want to play the games
>>739834972If that is officially stated as being a viable option for the players then it's not cheating
>>739835130It wasn't the original devs during the original development of the game that added that feature. Also, that feature is not part of the game itself, but part of the emulator running it, ergo it is a cheat and you didn't beat the game.
>>739831806Not them but isnt this just brute forcing gameplay/puzzles by spamming attempts rather than actually putting in effort?
>>739835003No, you had to use save states because you couldn't beat the game without them
>>739835130But they don't add a save feature to the game, do they? Do you know what a ROM is? What is being used to play the game on your computer (or whatever)? They didn't add it to THE GAME, they added it to the emulator (for example).It's the modern equivalent of a Game Genie: a layer added to the game in order to give yourself an unintended advantage against the rules of the game.
>>739832482Its like playing a card game and drawing a card then seeing its bad, discard it. Then you draw a new one. Repeat until you get your win con.Its cheating.
>>739835223>>739835316>they added it to the emulatorPedantry
>>739835003>>739835362Oh never mind you openly cheat, use infinite health/ammo/magic etc and just beat games that way.Just watch a yt video lets play instead?
>>739835396>If I call it pedantry it doesn't count!Just like it doesn't count when you "finished" the game.
>>739835206They want the kudos, but don't want to put it any effort.Just what I'd expect from the looksmaxx generation.
>>739828192Those features are good, as they allow the physiologically subhuman to still complete games tailored to their own deficient skill sets.It is also good that it creates a market for such beings, where their lesser aesthetic sensibilities are pandered to.The only issue is when such beings believe they are my equals.I am 100% serious with this post and will not be arguing my position.
>>739835130Only beating 1.0 version of the game counts as beating it
>>739835396Not at all. Can you put your rewind capable version of Super Mario Bros. onto a NES and play it with rewind and save states?
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>Don't mind me, guys, just beating the game,
>>739835489This guy stocks shelves at a Walmart
>I'm just being time efficient by using a save state before the boss! Even though the boss is considered part of the stage, I'm just as skilled as those who played through the stages again>When they re-released the game, they added save states so you're supposed to use them! That's the intention even though that wasn't part of the design by the original developers! Btw I hate remakes because they don't follow the original developer's visionThe amount of cope from save state scummers is unreal.
>>739835580Wouldn't the equivalent be just spooning the porridge right into the toilet bowl?>I ate the porridge just like you.>Look, it ended up in the same place.Also>food analogy
>>739835540Nah, the NES is outdated. They've got objectively better systems nowadays that they sell their games on. They also gave us save states to improve the experience
>save statesdidn't beat the game>looked up a guidedidn't beat the game>had someone complete a level for youdidn't beat the game>used a turbo controllerdidn't beat the game>used macrosdidn't beat the game>didn't beat it on the hardest difficultydidn't beat the gamegot any other times you didn't beat the game or is this the definitive list?
>>739835658>>>I'm just being time efficient by using a save state before the boss! Even though the boss is considered part of the stage, I'm just as skilled as those who played through the stages againCorrect. In fact, I'm better than them since by removing filler content I beat the game in less time and can go on to play other games.
>>739832758What if I'm playing and an emergency shows up, say an accident involving a relative that I need to respond to, or my boss calls me and asks me to do something urgently, you name it, but things that can't be ignored, in this case is it valid to save state so that I can resume playing after I'm done with whatever interrupted me?
>>739830402basedfags think old games were hardcore because gamers weren't lily livered sissies like they're now, but it was to cover the fact they asked for 60 dollars from the 1989 for a 40 minute game
>>739830402>I still beat all the challenges and levels the game has, I just cut out all of the back tracking and repetitionConsistency is the only true proof of skill. You did not beat the game.
>>739835726>Nah, the NES is outdated. They've got objectively better systems nowadays that they sell their games on. They also gave us save states to improve the experienceIrrelevant.
>>739835136because retards like you were too stupid to read it right.
>>739835735>didn't beat it when it came out when you were 5>had to grow up first like a dirty fucking CHEATER
>>739835794>>739835773>>739835761>>739835759>>739835736>>739835735>>739835726MOINEYCRAFTA
Ehy do savestatefags care about beating the game? I thought it was just a game and it doesn't matter?Why are they so defensive?
>>739835761>He was poor growing up.
>>739835761You should have no trouble beating those games in 40 minutes then?
>>739828397
>>739835759>or my boss calls me and asks me to do something urgentlyDo you think the kind of person sperging out about whether or not someone else beat a single-player NES game is gainfully employed?
>>739829815yes. corny but Mike is actually pretty funny
>>739835735>gettimg advice from your cousin>didn't beat the gamenew savestatefag cope dropped
>>739835876Who'd want to? They're shit
For being rebels save stateniggers sure are sweating defending their cheating
>>739835862Because they want the kudos. Like people who hate War and Peace on audio book playing while they're doing chores who say "Yeah, I read War and Peace."
>>739835981It's like people listening to music that isn't live. If you're driving and you've got the radio on, did you really listen to a song? I don't think so
>>739835847You joke but this is actually how the mind of a retro game purist works. Theyre stunted man children who need to latch on to their glory days (5-10 years of age). If you didnt do something exactly like them you "cheated."
>>739835981I think the person listening to war and peace did accomplish something whereas the savescummer is really just lying to themselves and pretend they don't care
>>739835876without having to replay entire level upon death and entire game when I run out of lives, sureokay 40 minutes is a reach but most of them are doable under 2 hours
Let's say that someone beat the game using save states did beat it, and they are just as experienced with the game as someone who beat it without save states.In this situation, if you were to sit the two down and say to them "Okay, whoever either beats the game first, or gets furthest WITHOUT save states, wins" who is more likely to win? Surely by the metric of "using save states and not using them is the same" just from this set up it'd be impossible to say, correct?
cheaters in raped shambles
>>739836202Pretty much
Using save states isn't beating the game.Listening to audiobooks isn't reading the novel.Masturbating to porn isn't having sex.>>739836256But they wont change their ways, because they're weak, which is why they cheat to begin with.
>>739836202The guy who plays the game raw will naturally complete it faster, because he didn't beat a level one time by sheer chance and decided he was a master at it and therefore didn't need to practice it anymore.
>>739836202Impossible to test because knowing what comes next in a game is cheating
>>739836134I do think it's interesting how they ascribe status to "beating" a game and try very hard to keep that status. If somebody tells me they beat a game I don't assume they're an expert, I just assume that they've seen all the content and I can talk to them about the mechanics/plot.
>>739836202I unironically think it'd be a toss up. Non save state users like to think they got better at the game for doing the same monotonous things over and over but the save state user still memorized patterns and mastered inputs, just in a faster more efficient way. At the end of the day you see boomers who beat megaman or ninja gaiden back in the day STILL struggle at the same difficult parts that most people get stuck on for their first play through, despite all those extra hours of play time.
>>739834520>I bet you used to change the rules of games when you were a kid so you always won.Look around you retard, this is the way winners operate in the real world. Only losers whine about people not following muh rules.
>HS graduation day, diploma in hand>grandpa saunters over to you>you took the bus to school?>we didn't have those back in the day, git gud >its like you didn't even go to school>you didn't graduate in my eyes kidunc ass thread, and I'm an unc.
>>739836521They both beat the game already nigga READ
>>739828391People who get upset about others using savestates really are just butthurt that you didn't SUFFER to see the content like they did.That's not to say save scumming can't ruin an experience, but a lot of difficult games aren't designed in a way where it's actually fun or rewarding to overcome the challenge.
>>739836608Yeah, I know. That's the point. Learn to read, nigga
fags who are against quicksaves must be trannies because only they are terminally online and jobless so their only achievement in life is speedrunning or bragging about wasting time replaying same levels again and again beating some nes slop without quicksaves
>>739836601We don't have IRL save states to retake the SAT an infinite number of times until we guess our way to 100%.
>>739836134not to self dont eat " chicken" sold by street venders
>>739828192Used to beat games like this when I was a kid, now I just want to chill, and finish games with save states, so far I haven't played a game with rewind gimmick.
They would've used save states if technology allowed it. There were games that tried, but they gave you as long-ass password to put in.
>>739836687>I used save states, did I beat the game?>"no">OMG FUCKING TRANNIES WHY DO YOU CARE JKWEBIKFDLKBVFKLALSThis is you
>>739836202I think the person who did it without savestates is more likely to choke on the harder sections since they'd have more spaced out practice on them, it's why even people who do 1CCs for old arcade games still use savestates to practice before putting a run together
>>739836727
why can't my PC do the "suspend" type stuff that like a playstation can do
>>739836801Nobody asked you if they beat the game, they just state that they have
>>739836814The wait time and study between retakes is you playing the level again :)Well that or getting held back a year for being too retarded to pass the SAT.
>>739836850because Microsoft is garbage who cant make an OS to save its life
>>739836868Several people ITT have asked thoughbeit
>>739836875Replays are cheating
>>739835464>They want the kudosIt's actually the opposite. People who use save states don't give a fuck about kudos, they just want to experience the entire game efficiently and move on to the next. It's tryhard autismo zoom zooms that expect kudos for beating the game "the way 90s kids did" except they're too young and retarded to realize the vast majority of 90s kids used Game Genie and when save states were invented everyone celebrated. Then these zoom zooms get mad when nobody cares about their challenge runs.
>>739836628I hate walkthroughs/guides. I ruined souls and zeldas like that. Wanna check one specific thing? Oops! You've got trapped in a hyperlink web of spoilers!
>>739828192Remember, boys, you absolutely beat the game and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Except you're just, you know, not superstars like us who actually beat it.
>>739836202Let me ask you this. Do you think the human brain learns how to perform a difficult manual task by doing the motions one after another in immediate succession, or if you get to attempt the task once every few hours and if you dont get it right you have to spend the next few hours doing completely different tasks?
>>739837021DING DING DINGGames are fucking toys and should be treated as such. If you want to be a tryhard like your favorite e-celeb streamer, go troon out and run for AGDQ.
>>739836875>The wait time and study between retakes is you playing the level again :)But there is no enforced wait time. You can take it as quickly as possible without any study time needed. The SAT is literally one of the closest things to a save state in standardized testing there is, which is why it's comical you picked it.
>>739836628>filler words>"content"
>>739837139>spend the next few hours doing completely different tasks?That's not how video games work. The jump mechanics don't just randomly change moment to moment.>>739837021Exactly. They COMPLETED the game. They didn't "BEAT" it, but they did EXPERIENCE it.Let's just agree on that, shall we? Yes, you experienced every level, and completed every stage (with help), but you didn't beat it.Now everyone can be happy.
>>739830402He told the truth to a crowd full of people who's not mentally ready for it. What happens next will shock you.
>>739828192I wish the mods could rangeban the Shartranny redditor from 4chan an for good.Because the joke that is this retarded thread spam died years ago when mike was exposed as a hypocrite too.
>>739837021Based knower. You can see it in this thread when they call it "cheating" or even compare it to aimbot, because they genuinely weren't around for games that had cheat codes or tip lines.
>>739837372>That's not how video games work. The jump mechanics don't just randomly change moment to moment.Fair, but the point still stands. The save state user has the benefit of making adjustments and correcting behavior faster and in a way that the brain learns it better. The non save state user needs to start all over before they can even attempt to correct what they did wrong the last time.
>>739830402>Dying to a boss and having to do the entire game and/or level over is bullshit and devs know itthey still do that. bosses just have second phases that are the real boss while first phase is the filler warm up. retards just never noticed.
I just want to tell you that if you use save states then I am superior to you, and better at video games.
>>739836547even more interesting how hard you cling onto "beating" a game with cheats if you claim to not care about said status.
>>739837634Not exactly the same, bosses always had phases like dracula in castlevania. This would be like dying to Ornstein/Smoug or Seath in Dark Souls and the game forces you to start at the beginning of the game, level 1 zero souls, rering the bells. Thats how a lot of old games used to be
>>739837676Well, because I beat it of course - same as you.
>>739836134>>739836547t. didn't beat the game
>>739837838yeah you clearly do care about said status a lot.
>>739837642
>>739836601funny because school has been dumbed down greatly over the years just like videogames.
>>739837934Not him but if you derive status from beating a videogame or how you beat it, and you care how others beat it, youre a fucking loser.
>>739838081if you dont care then stop coping and leave the thread.you clearly do care though, because it hurts your ego.
>>739838081not him but, you didn't beat the game
Love when they switch to the faux "masculine apathy" frame. Doesn't look like a gay cope or anything.
>>739838136Ego isn't part of it. Why do you assume it is?
>>739837934Not really, and I'm quite curious how you got that- in my original post I literally said that when someone beats a game all it means is that I can talk about the gameplay/plot with them, hell I explicitly mentioned I don't consider people who beat the games experts.
>>739837021>efficientlyThat's the thing, the amount of games you experience isn't something that needs to be minmaxed.
Idc + i used rewind + fast forward + savestates + i beat the game + your a nigger
>>739838081You are an even bigger loser because you don't even have the status.
>>739837021Based. I legit dont give a fuck when a smelly autist says I didnt beat a game for saving. I played the game, beat the challenges, experienced all the levels and mechanics, had fun and moved on to the next game.
>>739838220ego is 100% part of it.its why you faggots get so defensive over it instead of just saying "yeah i didnt beat the game" and moving on.you want to be part of the big boy club but you cant and you get angry when people point it out that you didnt actually experience it.
>>739838156The fuck does this gay post mean? Speak American, libtard.
>>739838432>I consume product then proceed to consume next product>No time to enjoy product. No time to get gud. Just consume and move on. Your generation makes me sick. On top of all you are shit at video games.
>>739837021>People who use save states don't give a fuck about kudoslol
>>739828192They should let me disable it, it's too tempting to use it when you're playing some bullshit like Donkey Kong Country. It's like the whole "no set mode" thing in the new pokemon games. Instead of deciding that you want it to be harder once, you have to decide it hundreds of times by pressing "no" every time it asks you if you want to change pokemon.
>>739832482bodied that millenial freak
>>739831354>You still have to beat the boss or the level with your own skill, but now you dont have to spend 15 more minutes redoing things you already mastered just to get to the part of the game you actually need to learn to beat.The skill IS beating the whole thing in one go. You didn't master it because of 1 fluke.
>>739837021I am glad you are aware I am better than you at video games. Your gay cope post told me all I needed to know.
>>739838535stop being a weak willed bitch.
>>739838432you do give a fuck though.
>>739838459I don't attach value to beating a game in the same way I don't consider reading a book or watching a movie to be an achievement
>>739838634thats clearly not the case.
>>739835145Notice how none of the anti-save state niggers can refute this, because it throws a wrench into their autistic minds. They literally cannot conceive of someone without skill beating a game, or someone with skill using savestates.
>>739838741
>>739828192That tweet was like defining a law of the universe.Its godly truth.
>>739838702No, you're fighting a battle that exists solely in your your head
>>739838741damn are you this upset that nobody replied to your retarded post?
>>739838769Yes. You "played" the game. You didn't "beat" the game. That's the contention.
>>739837021true brother, that's why i watch my video games at 2x speed
>>739838846thats also not the case.if the claim didnt hurt your ego you wouldnt be in this very thread defending save scumming.
>>739838850>no argumentI accept your concession, and have beaten you.
>>739838520>forced to grind through the same level 50 times>taking the time to enjoy the gameEven you dont believe that. Save states unironically let you enjoy playing retro games without wasting your time with back tracking.
>>739838958now that was a fucking terrible movie.
>>739838979>grind???
>>739838601>"Okay, you have to not eat for two whole days before this surgery, but I'm going to have a guy follow you around the whole time with a cart of cheesecake and apple pie and hamburgers and pizza">"Doc, can you have him not do that? I could go that long without eating no problem if he wasn't there.">"What's wrong, don't you have any discipline? Also he's going to constantly be replacing the old food with newer food so that right up until the end of your fast it will smell even better and be even more tempting"
As a boomer, I'm willing to concede on a few things pragmatically. Like is there some unskipabble cutscene or something? Yeah, that's kind of innocuous and don't blame you. Now let's say the game was designed to have a long stretch of gameplay where you're tested without some kind of save, like it's meant to be a guantlet that you complete without continuing--then using save states is cheating. You can beat a game but still have cheated, as well, if it makes you feel better.
>retroon fags think they're hot shit for not using savestates
>>739839070didnt read
>>739838979Nigger 50 tries is nothing. You are a weak little BITCH.
>>739838290>the amount of games you experience isn't something that needs to be minmaxedI will die someday and I will not have beaten every game by then, so yes I do need to minmax to experience as much as possible before the end.
>>739838947That's just narrow mindedness. I could be here for the lols. I could be here because you're annoying and I want to tease you. Maybe I'm curious, are these guys trolling or do they REALLY care this much about beating a game? Give me 10 minutes, a willingness to come up with answers and I could give you a list. As could any other anonThe idea that it's ego, and ego alone, comes from your bonce
>>739828192If you save right before a boss who gives a shit, you're just saving time.Rewinding back and forth during fights absolutely isn't beating the game, though, you're completely removing the need for reaction time or any kind of skill, you're just bruteforcing it through trial and error to find the exact right spot to land every second.
>>739839165Nobody hates having to play retro games quite like retro game purists. Ive seen you retards legit rip your hair out and tug on your dicks when 20 more minutes of your life are wasted after a single death.
>>739839208it is 100% ego.
>>739839135I accept your apology
>>739839070>explaining concepts to americans>"now think of a burger you can't eat"
>>739835735>>used a turbo controllerwrong because consoles let you swap out controls for any controller and dont ban third partiesif a P-Cuck said "durrr dark souls doesnt work on kb+m" youd laugh at him
>>739839216sorry that you find out this way, but neither is beating the game.
>>739839192you didnt experience it though.
>>739836547you cant talk about mechanics if you didnt actually experience them as intended lol. if you use undos on chess against cpus im gonna assume you dont know shit about chess
>>739839402>no argumentshocker.
>>739839464kinda the same way that saying that grass is green isnt an argument.
Retards will put up with shit mechanics in games that are only there to prevent people from beating them in a single rental period and act like that's some sort of accomplishment worth gatekeeping. It's sad really.
I've gotten so poisoned by true "YDNBTG" states that now I don't consider any game beaten unless I do it without a game over. I've applied 1cc logic to every single video game ever and I hate it.
>>739839192You honestly need to learn what opportunity cost is and realize it is an inevitable price you always pay for everything you do, so it's much better to make sure when you're spending time on an opportunity like playing a video game that it's at least quality time with it. Basically there's a difference between spending time playing a video game and spending time pressing buttons, and the more you get to cheating the close you are to not actually "playing" a game and really you're no more than just meaninglessly pressing buttons to pass time.
>>739839585whoops, it was disdain for videogames all along!
>>739839585Don't play the bastardized American versions then
How it feels to make retro games fun with savestates, rewind and fast forward and to ultimately beat them.
BROWN BRICKS
>>739838979this is like bitching that you cant pick up the ball in soccer and throw it in the net
>>739839793you didn't actually beat them tho,it's just like watching a longplay of the game,no stakes = you accomplished nothingyou are just a passive observer,which is really really sad
>>739839793Wait until you discover video players.
>>739839793>I dont like playing games, just let me win
>>739839829Not at all, save states dont actually change the way the game is played.
>>739839881Nobody plays (retro) videogames to feel accomplishment except for fat retards that have nothing in their life besides vidya
>>739839585game rentals are banned in japan, they werent designing it for youjaps also dont creditfeed arcades, they start from the beginning with every quarter
>>739839591Same and I'll apply it to if there's a weapon or item that's too good. I don't even agree with the fucking premise but I still find myself doing it. Save me from myself.
>>739839881>playing the game is like watching someone else play the gameAre you retarded?
>>739839585Gamer playing baseball:>strike three, you're out>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS IS ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY YOU HAVE TO LET ME KEEP TRYING OVER AND OVER UNTIL I WIN YOU CANT PUNISH ME FOR MY MISTAKES
>here to save your save-scamming addiction- go to site, make anonymous account- login with your emulator- enable HARDCORE MODE>hardcore disables savestates and rewinding- play the games as if it was 1994 and you are playing it legit on the real console- get your skills checked faggot, see how good you really are.>pro tip>don't go for 100% as in most games the achievements are retarded>just go for the "game beat" status
>>739839343>used a game genieyou didn't beat the game
>>739840134you didnt beat bowling if you bowled infinite balls until you got perfect strikes every time
>>739840029accomplishment in general is doing something hard, and overcoming thatbecoming better, evolving, doing something that your past self could not.like I bet all of you faggots cannot even beat Mario Bros 1 without savestates.fucking larpers. absolute fake gamers, pathetic
>>739840165>cheevos: on>hardcore mode: offYep, it's gaming time
>>739839298In the end when you beat the game it makes it all worth it. You reach a level of hype you will never know.
>>739840134Yes, you "played" it. You didn't "beat" it. Beating it means accepting the designer's terms. There is no such thing as a singleplayer game, every game is player vs designer. Every game is a phantom of the designer: you are not beating it if you change the phantom, you are playing against yourself because you created the phantom.
>>739840246I still overcame the challenges of the game and got better, I just did it in less time. I didnt have to trek through the easy parts 20 times in a row to get back to the hard parts.
>>739840206game genie modifies content of games, not how a human inputs. also consoles absolutely wanna ban game genie lol, they never went after madcatz
>>739840246Thanks for the info chatgpt but i play games to relax. I feel accomplishment for tackling challenges in real life.
>>739828192If you used save states, guides or rewind, you didn't beat the game. Not only you cheated the game, but also yourself. You brag about your "achievements" to others, yet deep down you know that it was all fake. You didn't experience anything, the challenge, the frustration, the overcoming, improving your skills. You just took a glimpse of what the game has to offer, the same level as "beating a game watching someone else beat it on YouTube". Even a crown made with fake gold, still shines from far away. You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't learn. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.
Kill yourself, retard. Come and stop me from doing it. No one cares, and the older you get, the more embarrassing this sort of thinking.How about "now I have more people to talk with about this hardboiled, 35 year-old platformer"? More people have enjoyed the thing you like, and in that way, you are able to get more out of it.
>>739840386I did beat the game though and I agree its does feel great.
again.I bet most of you absolute clown faggots who think you can just enable no-clip other cheats like rewinding every 0.4 seconds and then claim that you "beat a game"you are absolute pathetic losers,try thisBeat Mario Bros 1 without rewinding or savestates.go ahead.boot it now.you can use the wraps and I want to see how you do in 8-3 and 8-4.Mario Bros 1 is an ancient game way before my time, but it is a benchmark.it is simple enough and requires some true skill and reflexes.if you cannot beat it, then you are a fake larper,simple as>b-but-but I watched a longplay of the game on youtube!>it's like I beat it myself!you are delusional
>>739840512>um i love challenging myself but i would NEVER EVER EVER challenge myself in my leisure time>i COULD beat it but i DONT. im smart i just dont apply myself
>>739840530legendary copy pasta.
>>739828192>"rewind feature"What the fuck is that? Rewind, what games uses that term? I understand save files.
>>739840134You don't learn math by using a calculator
>>739840639An emulator like Mesen has a rewind feature, Sands of Time style.
>>739840546>More people have enjoyed the thing you like, and in that way, you are able to get more out of it.im not because they didnt enjoy the same thing. i dont talk anime with people that watched a 4kids dub or a fan reedit
>>739840507>console manufacturers don't want to ban turbo controllersyou still didn't beat the game
>>739840647You objectively do you retard, ever take a college course?
>>739840031I used to credit feed as a kid but I stopped because its a very hollow experience.
>>739840581I do challenge myself in my leasure time, just not in videogames, ESPECIALLY not in retro games. Biggest waste of time on the planet
>>739840486>challenge: Beat this level without dying too much or else you go back to the beginning*presses the nullify challenge button*SEE? I BEATED IT JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!
>>739840029what do you have in your life?
>>739840830>MOOOOOOOOOOM im smart i just dont try, i have Fs but im actually smarter than everyone else
>>739840846AVGN did an episode where he had a fictional cheat button,and then he would push the button the the credits would roll and they say >I beat it!I thought he was joking but it so fucking sad to see that people like that exist IRL
>>739840709Oh, what a piss baby. That is still an experience the other person had. No, it is not your experience — another win! "Oh, yeah, man, that boss is tough. I (You) was dedicated to studying the level, so I had to grind it out until I understood it inside and out.""Oh, I have only watched it subbed, do they change any of the characters?"There is no need to be like this; your parents love you, and people want to talk about cool shit, so let them absorb it however they may.
I beat the game.
>>739840846There is no challenge in doing the easy parts 100 times in a row.
>>739840547You don't have that extra pressure when using save states. It's not the same intensity. You didn't beat the game.
>>739840165I just dont use retro achievements because achievements are for gay retards and also dont save scum because I dont have the self control of an obese black woman.Its that simple.
>>739840938Pipe down retroon
>>739840743College courses you take after having done elementary, where a calculator is cheating. Math means you do operations in your head so you actually understand what the fuck you're doing instead of pressing buttons like a monkey.
>>739840951>>739840962yeah, this one.
>>739840964This is like when smash pros said they should skip pools and go straight to finals lmao. You're being tested on consistency retard, not flukes. Beating it 1/1000000 of a time doesnt matter, the game wants you to beat it 100% of the time
>>739839109>retroonliterally all your modern games are full of non-whites and faggots, kek
>>739840975>pressurePressure doesnt mean shit. If you beat the levels and bosses, you beat the game. How you feel while you beat it is irrelevant.
>>739840546Actually the older I get the more I see cheating in games as embarrassing and pathetic desu.And I dont want to discuss games with cheaters. There is nothing of value to get out of them.I dont want every retard in the medium, thats how things got as bad as they are.
>>739840994I clearly said to fix your save-scamming addiction and to ignore achievements and just beat the game.are you legit retarded? do you need to go to a brain doctor?
>>739840961>piss babytranny term
>>739841175With that mindset I genuinely don't understand what you find enjoyable about playing video games.
>>739841175>If you beat the levels and bosses,Yes but you didnt beat the GAME. the GAME is ONE WHOLE experience, not a series of discrete challenges. Your grade in school ranks you based on the whole year, you can't pass because you did good on one test.
>>739841217simply dont save scum.
I can sidestep this whole "beating the game" thing by just shifting the frame. If one such unc'd out, purist moron does not want to abandon the "you didn't beat the game" hill, then I will say, "yeah, I saw all the content."Boom. An absolute fact, irrefutable on the grounds that the game has been experienced front to back. Plenty of people do this whack shit trying to get all the achievements on games because that is the point at which they feel they have mastered the content. Fine, not my idea of finishing the thing, and says nothing about my play experience.
How I feel after beating the favorite childhood game of a fat, balding loser using savestates and rewind
>>739841239gimme a fukken break, dude
Look at the joy she is experiencing from "beating" the game.
>>739841274Its called having fun retard, I dont expect an autist to understand. "Pressure" being the metric by which you complete a game is retarded.
>>739841385Gamer plays chess:>So what if I undoed over and over until I beat the CPU? I saw all of the games content, and it was pretty shallow. Where's the RPG grinding and random elements to give me 1000s of hours of content?
>>739841462kys
>>739841385I saw all the content on youtube too.
>>739841501Game are about losing and dying and failure. Achievements meant nothing without adversity. Sex with prostitutes does not erase virginity.
>>739841160>your
>>739841385>"yeah, I saw all the content."This is exactly the mindset you should have though. Nobody is disputing this. Thanks for understanding at last.
>>739841175>How you feel while you beat it is irrelevant.wrong. not like you'd know, given that you havent beaten the game.
>>739841489holy fuck, it just occurred to me,if everyone playing today is using this shit, then they will never improve, never,and then gamedevs will cater to those morons by making extremely easy games with no stakeslike yellow paint everwhere, or invincibility, or sections where when you fuckup it's no big, because you respawn like 2 seconds before you died.fuck.
>>739841198 herei'm trans btw
>>739841198May your procession be festive. Best to you, then..
>>739840530Anyone who brags about beating a video game is a turbo faggot, save states or not.
>>739840961fandom is about shared experience, i dont want people that do not share my experiences trying to claim fandom
>>739841576I use save states and still lose and die all the time, but the second my death means i lose all my progress for the last half hour? Nah im good. Sex is still sex.
>yeah I wrote a book>what do you mean I didn't write the book because I used chatGPT? I only asked the LLM to skip the icky prose parts for me so I could focus on dialogue :)
>>739841687what the fuck are you doing here you absolute buffoon>>>/tv/
>>739841687sorry that game was too hard for you.
>>739841582>caring about grammar on the mongolian basketball sitetell 'em, sis!
>thread almost 4 years>361 replies so farzoomers triggered.
>>739841726You cant make this shit up savestateniggers think prosties means they're not virgins LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIT'S FUCKING OVER THE DEBATE IS DEAD
>>739841726I could excuse savestates for practice,but in the end you need to beat the game legitimately
>y-y-you d-d-d-didin't b-beat the game!!>p-please respect me i'm a hardcore gayma!!!
>>739841872>yearshours
>>739828192You're allowed to use save states if:1. You need to leave but will come back to play later. Back in the day you had to let the console on. Now you don't.2. The game uses passwords. No point in writing passwords, just save the game in the start of the stage you left.
>>739841726You're not entitled to keep progress. Challenge literally means how much progress you lose on failure.
>>739841891I dont need to do anything retard, your opinions have no power over others.
>>739828192I saw the credits roll, that’s all I care about. Those games are designed to cheese you anyway because you’d be able to breeze through them in 10 minutes if they didn’t.
>gamer plays chess>WTF YOU CAN'T USE THE QUEEN, SHE'S TOO OP, YDBTG
>>739841504Chess does not have stages or a story, or art assets blocked behind progression. I understand what you are saying, yet there is way less reason to game digital chess, a practice ground for a live game in which cheating is possible but contra the competitive nature of the sport.Finding a way to deepen my enjoyment on my personal entertainment software, if seeing all the content while softening the edge surrounding progression is my idea of deepening my enjoyment, flies in the face of nothing and no one.
>>739841285In school if I fail the test for chapter 10, I don't have to go back and re take the tests for chapters 1 - 9.
>>739841962actually they do, it's a long story.
>>739841872Zoomer Derangement Syndrome
>>739841986I want all my pieces to be queensYas queen slay
>>739841872Lmao, this is how fucking millennials dressed. Look who's slacking on their /fa/shion shit.
>>739828192I appreciate how Mike indirectly called the movie James’ Icarus moment that ruined the channel in the brown bricks video.
>>739841986You can use queens though, you just can't rewind your move every time the opponent takes a piece because you felt losing it was unfair.
>>739841726>Sex is still sex.you are having gay sex.
>>739841956If the game has save states I actually think I am entitled to use them.
>>739828192True.If you didn't beat the game on original hardware with an original controller you did not beat the game.
lotta crying no game beating nigger who are also trans and underage ITT lmfao
Just got told i didn't beat the game by a 50 year old virgin onlineI need a moment
>>739841504Retard plays chess:>oh you knocked out one of my pawns, lets reset the whole board now, we have to start over
>>739842157uh oh somebody's about to get sued by billy mitchell!
>>739841986>cheater plays chess IRL>literally has a time-machine and can go back in time and retry moves over and over until he beats the opponent>after 3051 rewinds he """beat""" the opponentFair and square!!
>>739842041But if you fail and fail and fail and fail then you have to repeat the whole year, regardless of if you did well on 1 or 2 tests. You have to redo everything, including the tests you already passed.
>yea, this is me 25 years ago.>I like to play unc retro games btw>but I use savestates because they are too difficulty or unfair to me>...if I beat the game?!... yes, of course I did!
>have sex with sex doll >i lost my virginityzoomerbros…
>>739828192“I beat Silver Surfer for NES without save states or rewind” is my go-to panty-dropper line.
>>739842157Honest to god, this is the end-all be-all. You beat the game as it came out before there were even options allowing a different approach.
>>739841985>you'd be able to beat soccer if you could just pick up the ball and throw it in the netwhoaaaaa..............
You didn't sneed the game
>>739841985https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUeeFybkRxAyou are a 100% faggot
>adopt wife's son>i got a girl pregnant not like this savestatesisters….
>you didn't beat the game
>>739842017then watch a youtube video
>SAAAAAAAAAR I PAID FOR DIPLOMA FROM BHARAT STUDIES UNIVERSITY WHICH MEAN I AM QUALIFIED TO COMPUTER PROGRAMMER SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR|Saveshitters are JEETS.
>>739842017you don't need to pretend you beat the game for that
>>739842336I got to the final boss in Ninja Gaiden1 and its such horseshit that I never beat it.I couldve just savescummed right there and it wouldve been over in ten second but I prefer to keep it unbeaten. One day I might even return and actually beat it and then it will be some cool closure moment.I dont have that gay entitlement most have.
>>739842268>>739842336You keep thrashing and insulting like you think I care, and I genuinely don’t. Nobody cares that you did a no-death run on Contra. Good for you if it makes you feel accomplishment or whatever, but this weird expectation that everyone has to treat their beep bloop toys like serious business is just odd and honestly kind of amusing. I just picture Comic Book Guy (pre-girlfriend) angrily typing away.
>>739842426>wife gives birth>baby is black>mfw I refuse to leave cause im not a save state scrub and I see everything through to the endWe're the dads who stepped up
YOU DID NOT BEAT THE GAME
>>739828192Buying a Game Genie and manually entering longass hexcodes codes does count thoughever because of the effort and suffering you have to put in to get the infinite lives or invincibility.
>>739842641You declared you care the moment you replied to the thread instead of hiding it or just lurking lol
>>739842641Doing a no-death run on Contra is pretty cool.
>>739842446[Good] Games are meant to be played, no? You seem like the type to agree, so why, in all your impotence, gatekeep folk and suggest a lesser experience?
>>739842185you can shut up now
>>739842685>baby is black>kill wife and baby>beat the game sorry savestatecuck, maybe next time
Players who use save states or play on Easy mode are the equivalent of special needs kids partaking in something, they are trying their best despite their disability and it's okay for them to experience something that isn't the intended way.
>>739842641you faggots have been going on for hours about how you totally do not care and how everybody who cares is actually a loser caricature from a washed cartoon and how you dont actually care about videogames.almost like you're not telling the true story.
>>739842824you will never beat the game
>he just beat his second game using savestates
Mike is a pimp, and it's completely reddit and cringe to say otherwise
>>739842641first of all , calm down, no reason to get this upset,we are talking about a hobby here.second,you are free to play and enjoy any game however you wish,it is your experience and in the end, if you are enjoying yourself, then good, this is the point, enjoy and have a good timeHOWEVERplease please please please do not claim that you "BEAT" a game when you activated cheats and just strolled through it,it makes you a fucking liar, a fucking disgusting behavior.just don't say anything.you can experience all the games in the world with hacking or no-clipping or rewinding,or using cheat codes to see all the content etc,please keep it to yourself,that urge of you to speak and say >I BEAT IT BECAUSE I SAVESCAMMEDplease surpess it and fucking say nothing,I think that deep down you know it is wrong,do not compare yourself to other legit players like this guy >>739842579thanks
>>739842953Welp. Suburbs status: rocked.Here is your golden star, sweet pea.
>>739842824They dont actually care about the integrity of videogames or challenges or whatever the fuck. They just want to feel superior to you
Zoomers will never know the feeling of getting a 1cc clear of an arcade game in a room of actual spectators cheering you on.
>>739842579This is a perfect post that encapsulates the purist mindset. He hypes up the game's "horseshit" difficulty but absolutely refuses to go back to play it because the experience was so unfulfilling. These people don't play games because they're good games, they play them for the status. Failure to launch labubus
savestates are jewish
>>739828192Best all games on nso, watch my vid on how I did it
>>739843034here's your nothing, zoomgroid
>>739836202if the person who used save States only did it to skip "level start" cutscenes then they could be getting the ultimate training from it. I think of games like Gouls and Ghosts, you could make a save state after a section and only be rewinding 5 seconds ago, or you could be reloading after a life. They could be training for moment-to-moment reactions and learning the optimal way to respond to threats at different altitudes or angles. "practicing one punch a thousand times" type shit. So unfortunately I don't think your hypothetical difference in the two players' styles of grinding provide any evidence to favor one or the other as much as RNG can dick someone and just put them in a bad situation in the micro moment to moment basis.
>>739842685>american anti-save state analogy involves interracial sex for some reasonwtf is wrong with you people?
>>739843169I care about the integrity and challenge of videogames AND I feel superior to you.literally nothing but upsides.
>>739843189Savestateniggers will NEVER, EVER feel this. THIS is what THEY want to take away.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvi4cskxvY
Just completing a game wouldn't be a big milestone anyways, hundreds of thousands of people already did it, the only path forward is doing it faster with or without 100% then you jump into the speedrunner territory, so you realize what you did wasn't an achievement, you're just one of many, and you're not even considered competitive or relevant in any significant way, so yes, you are as much of a casual than that guy doing savestates, you're stuck in a crab bucket and never realized it.If you're so macho and tough about your game, go and best that tranny who's running circles around it, you know, like a manly man.
>>739843191Thats a very mentally ill interpretation.
>>739843191Genuine laugh you got out of me. Thank you for pointing that one out.
>>739842990>it's just a hobby, you're free to enjoy it however you wantbut then>you're a disgusting liar with a disgusting behavior because you play it in a preferred wayYou losers really have a form of autism so powerful that even the best psychiatrists could never cure. I wouldn't be surprised that if you're living in a lawless society, you fucks would gun down people who play games in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable.
>>739835706>'e's niver 'eard o' tha Nae True Scotsman fallacy
>>739843191yet here you are claiming you beat a game you couldn't beat, jewcattle dubai chocolate
>>739843397retarded
>>739843345>he said, posting on 4chan
>>739843473problem, redditor?
>>739843406The only mentally-ills are gaymers who thinks playing games in a certain way is some kind of achievement in life.
>>739843382good.not every achievement and experience is for everyone,let faggots be faggotslet them cheating faggots eat slop and never improve at anything in their lives.it's their destiny,I don't want them to change, I want them to keep being the pathetic slobs they are.am I wrong?
>>739843523there is only right way and its absolutely an achievement.
>>739843418Why are you having meltdown because people aren't indulging in your delusions?Savestatetroons will never be real winners
>>739828192I bet the games and there is nothing you can do or say to take that way from me faggot.
>>739843418learn to read fucking idiot.You are a liar if you claim that you beat a game when you have cheated.again, go see a brain doctor please
>>739843471I accept your concession.
Mike won
>>739830402>I still beatCoping two words in. You "experienced" the game in a palatable way you could digest. You didn't beat it though
>>739843523You are literally saying you identify as beating the game like a mentally ill tranny
>>739843382Gaymers who use save states will never be invited to be on these event stages, terrible gamers I do agree but the autism I see here is profoundly unhinged. I don't get what you're trying to prove here.
>>739835626based and gamgeniepilled>>739835653nah, they aren't even smart enough to stock shelves. probably unloads trucks
>>739843726Stop enabling trans winners you tranny faggot
>>739843609>>739843418I'm not that anon. Now I'm going to up both of your status to RETARDedness for assuming everyone who replies to you is 'that anon'. Congratulations for being an eternal september nigger(s).
>>739843418>>739843618To me the whole discourse is you can say you beat the game but you cheated. And the real contention is more the person having to admit that circumventing challenges with save states is in fact cheating. So much modern discourse is about someone doing something wrong, like cheating in a game or being a tranny, and trying to make everyone else accept it as right. Like dude, just cheat and just cut your dick off if you want, but we're going to call it like it is.
>>739843418>I wouldn't be surprised that if you're living in a lawless society, you fucks would gun down people who play games in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable.that would be the dream.>cheatersbeheaded in the town square>gacha tardscastrated>open world slopperskneecaps brokenJust me and the boys, cleaning up gaming town.
>>739843406Its the only interpretation>the difficulty really in this game is so bullshit I hated playing it to the point i stopped for years>maybe one day when im not still malding I'll try again so that I can actually feel accomplished in life for beating a videogameMeanwhile i use a single save state, beat the boss, feel accomplished and move on with my life. Feelsgood
>>739843687I never said that. I don't understand how you would even come up with that conclusion other than you're a literal retard. I feel sorry for your parents.
State?SavedGame?Beat
>>739843874>I AM A REAL WINNER I DID BEAT THE GAME YOU SAVESTATEPHOBE!!!1!1!dilate
>>739843918I want online cheaters to literally be executed via firing squad but am completely ok with emulation/piracy. Where am I on the political compass?
>>739843918Nah you just post shitty reaction images in the comfort of your room. The outside world scares you, try again.
>>739844027pretty well adjusted person I'd say.>>739844043sounds like a projection
>>739843979Story?Experienced Main character?Literally meNuVagina?Dilated
>>739841198>the older I get the more I see cheating in games as embarrassing and pathetic desu.really got those life priorities in order, don't you?
>>739843918>open world sloppers: kneecaps brokenI FUCKING KNEEL
>boomers when you beat a game using rewind
>>739843990Ironic when it's literally troons who are good at these kind of games. Evidence? Go look at any speedrunning event. You're not a tranny are you?
>>739844126yeah. may sound crazy but people can have multiple things going on at the same time.
>actually i identify as a woman because i chopped my cock offFuck off I dont believe in that made up nonsense>actually i identify as having beat the game because i pressed the beat-the-game-buttonSO TRUE!
>>739843942you will never beat the game, you have no high scores, you are mentally sick savestatranny abomination twisted by rewind features
>>739836628>Playing video games is SUFFERINGNever change /v/
>>739844192troons love memerunning they dont play arcade games or nes games for score
>>739844090What have you done so far to fulfill your reality of rounding up all cheaters and gachafags? None.>muh 'projection'Like a broken record, probably retarded too since that's all you can say.
>>739844192Ironic because you are literally a reality denying tranny lmfao savestates are your hrt and bottom surgery
>>739830402>all these seething repliesYou sure struck a nerve with this truth nuke.
>>739844256Nigga go play Stardew Valley you know what he meant
>>739844268So what is it now? They don't use save states, but they do beat the game with an impressive fashion remembering all the moves in said classic games but suddenly it doesn't count because you don't accept the reality of the situation?
>>739844192Speedrunenrs hate actually playing video games. Just put any troon in front of an autoscroller where they are forced to play the level and can't just do some weird glitch to skip it. It's basically a contest to see who is best at playing games the least amount.
>H-he didn't beat the game, I saw him use savestates!!
>>739844202how do save-staters even refute this?
reseting the game and sitting through the intro screen and then loading your save which is about 30 seconds in Earthbound then finding a starman just for the Sword of Kings instead of loading a state save because the drop rate is refreshed upon the encounter and saving time.but apparently it's not the proper way to play according to Loco Bandito faggot saving cock pictures on google image.
>>739844410they think they're real women just like you think you really beat the game
>>739844256But you guys actually do suffer. You talk endlessly about how much you hate the BS and unfair shit in old games, or about how poorly designed things are. You scream and cry when you die because you know you just wasted hours out of your life. Suddenly when someone feels the same way but does something about it (with official features of a remaster/collection) its now a problem. Pure, unfiltered autism.
>>739844520ignore like the trannies they are
>>739844219>>739844358Again, only trannies think achievements and playing a game through specific ways is something to be proud about. I would agree using save states could be considered cheating (there are anons here who articulated that point perfectly), but to say that "you never beat the game"? Pure unadulterated autism.
>>739828192Not all of us have a thousand hours to beat cheap tricks that only existed to fight rentals and to get you to buy the game guide.
I can beat games without save states, but that doesn't make anyone mad. I use save states specifically because it pisses nerds off and that increases my enjoyment immensely.
>>739844678Then games aren't for you, normalfaggot. Get back in the fucking wagie cage
>>739844587What I will say is this is more of rare item drops being bullshit especially from rare monster encounters. If you can suppress your OCD, it's not too bad. Like I got Paula's rare frying pan without trying the last playthrough so that added a nice surprise that I don't usually care about.
>>739844590But it's trannies who are obsessed with these classic games. It's trannies who spend all their time in their room playing these classics, scoffing others who use the 'rewind' system. You're contradicting with yourself.
>>739844290gee willy almost like the scenario of societal collapse hasnt happened yet you are pretty damn stupid. not surprising though, given that you save scum.
>>739844424This. Speedrunning rewards glitching or subverting the game's design. Scoring rewards engaging with design. No wonder troons love it. Troonlover speedrooner Karl Jobst fought scorechad Big Billy.
>>739828192The thing about those features is that actually makes games harder.1) If you rely on them your skill never improves and 2) They fuck with your perception of the difficulty of a game. If you use save states to get to the next level of a game instead of building your skill up naturally, the game will feel much harder than it actually is. Because you're not supposed to be that far into the game because you don't have the skill to be there yet.
>>739844424I've meet speedrunners and I've never heard them make the claim that they hate playing games. All of them can play and beat the game with an impressive time normally, no glitches or bugs; obviously since it's a speedrunning competition it's encourage to use said glitches and bugs to hit the credit as fast as possible. Also some of them are troons, but I ain't no transphobe. So yes, I stand with my statement of those defending not using 'save states' as literal troon. Many of you are troons in denial.
>>739844678muh rental cope is almost as bad as the coin eating cope.
>>739844779Are you really flexing because you beat a game in a certain way? If society truly collapse, I hope your gayming skill could save you from your impending doom :)
>>739844587Mike literally did a stream where he was loading SNES roms and timing them because he wants games to go as fast as possible from boot to play lol. He specifically shits on earthbound for taking too longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7RjR32KFe0
>>739844920>I ain't no transphobeHa, fag.
>>739844848save scummers usually save before every single action and reload when they fail. and if they succeed with that one single action they save again.
>>739828192Don't care.
>>739844665>>739844752>>739844665>I BEAT THE GAME I HAVE TO BEAT IT SO BAD I HAVE TO CHEAT AND USE SAVE STATES I DID BEAT THE GAME DO NOT SAY I DIDNT BEAT THE GAME YOU HECKING BIGOTyou will never beat the game, savestatetranny kek
>>739844989goddamn not the passive aggressive emote you are actually boiling right now lmao
>>739844935>>739844748And checkpoints are artificial difficulty if you have to play the same 3 levels just to try and get to the boss again.
>>739844678and you never will beat them
>>739844678game rentals are illegal in japan nigger
>>739844602>You talk endlessly about how much you hate the BS and unfair shit in old games, or about how poorly designed things areI don't play poorly designed games though, that sounds like a you problem.>You scream and cry when you die because you know you just wasted hours out of your life.No I don't, you don't know me. This just sounds like projection on your part. I enjoy getting better at great games and if I die that just means I need to get better and work on my understanding of the game. I've been playing a lot of L4D2 custom campaigns on expert and also been trying to 1cc Mushi Futari, and dying in these games is enjoyable to be because it helps me get better, and they're just fun and well designed at a baseline. It's not my fault if you're forcing yourself to savescum through some shitty NES game you don't enjoy, and the completion of which will bring you no greater understanding due to the bruteforcing you engaged in.
>>739843418They simply can't see that they're the ones throwing a hissy fit. There's no getting through to them, it'll just keep going round and round their heads until the kick the bucket. Because they're weak and have no self awarenessBeat the game btw
>>739845002very autistic but based. slow startups or load times suck extra hard on games you want to boot up very often.
>>739828192>4 hours>bump limit reachedKudos OP, you're a KING unironically
>>739844202fucking kek, saved
>>739845112>But what about japan!It's a known fact that difficulty tweaks exist between jap and American releases.
>>739844737>I cut my dick off and take estrogen to own the transphobespowerful….
>>739844935>devs: "yeah we did that shit lol">some retard on 4chan: NOOO ITS COPE VIDEOGAMES WOULDNT DO THAT ITS ABOUT SKILL AND HONORI actually kinda feel bad for you
>>739845262meds
>>739845162none of those games you're talking about are cakewalks in japan lol. youre probably thinking normie shit like ninjagaiden or castlevania or megaman which are barely any different
>>739845294???????????
>>739845294>Normie>Ninja Gaiden
>>739845287>get BTFO>cries about the other person being crazy
>>739845262Yeah japan's main target audience was NOT their own country where 40% of households had famicoms and they had a coin shortage because of arcades, it was actually the barren wasteland of America where you had to go HERE COMES THE CHOOCHOO TRAIN with toys to make them buy videogames
>>739845423They're just autistic. I entered this thread under the assumption that they're all trolling, but now that it looks like their meltdowns are genuine I just feel sad
Just beat Megaman, rewind came in clutch
>>739845287Just saying man. Devs talk all the time about how games were made to be hard and have all kinds of bullshit so you paid more into the cabinets or didnt beat it in an hour at home. Its actual fact.
why does james just spam buttons like a spastic retard in every game he plays live, without even considering other tacticsHes like a 70 yar old boomer who has never played videogames beforehttps://youtu.be/bQ_EALSEsTM?t=751
>>739845580>using rewind for an easy gamemental illness
>>739845363love my "obscure game" that sold millions and has an english release and stayed enough in public memory long enough to have a reboot carried on brand name 20 years later
>>739845361Ok, this is pathetic if true
>>739845608meds
>>739845657>
>>739845692you're actually mentally illhope you get that fixedyou still live with your mom too?
>>739845608If an arcade game was too hard then people just wouldnt play it lol. People act like we never had baby RPGs since the 80s and were only stuck with hardcore shmups or something
savestatetroons got gaped
>i beat the Lost Woods. I did a save state every time it sent me back to the start thoughNo, you didn't actually
>>739845818self-depictions aren't allowed here, this is a video game board.
>>739845882they also act like every arcade game was super hard when tons of them were piss easy on purpose.harder ones were specifically developed because arcade fiends demanded a bigger challenge.
>>739845608most arcade games punish creditfeeding>hmmm more than one continue? no final boss or second loop for you
>>739845656Did you know Mike Matei, the worshipped lord and advocate against save states and rewind, has used the pause trick in mega man 1? He exploited the game with a bug the developers never intended, does that mean he never beat the game?
>>739845838I AM HARDCORE I AM HARDCORE I AM HARDCORE I AM HARDCORE
>>739845162If you play the japanese version, you didn't beat the game. You have to engage with slop anti-rental mechanics or you'll make the nerds online angry.
>>739845947>
>>739846068>I AM A REAL WOMAN I AM A REAL WOMAN I AM A REAL WOMAN!
>I passed the exam. But i could retry a question every time i got a wrong answerNo, you didn't
>>739846134>posts another depiction of xirselves for some reasonyou lost, sharteen.
>>739845692>>739845838 (me)>>739846068lol, I managed to mentally break the autistic speedrun tranny
>>739846065flexing knowing that tech is more important.I used it in the past but I dont anymore.
>>739845580Nice, congrats man. Time for Mega Man 2, you won't need to rewind as much because it's easier than the first game.
Yes i beat the gameYes i value my timeYes i used rewindYes i had funYes you are madYes you will stay mad
>>739846065no because its ok to use glitches, broken strats, broken characters because it's the devs fault for leaving them in. devs balance the game, not the player. once the game ships, everything in it is intentional (wavedashing/bhopping was left in on purpose)consequently, this is why quicksaves in PeeSee games are bad because they're developer approved savestates which means the game is bad and unfun because theres no reason not to use them. in doom if you have a hundred enemies chasing you you can quicksave-load and they'll forget lol.
>>739846302also "what the devs intended" is murky. in sonic 1 spikes can hit you during hitstun so spike pits are dangerous. people thought this was a glitch until decomp found spikes were specially programmed to do that
>>739846215>
>>739846286>Yes I am a woman>Yes I have a penis >Yes I used hrt>Yes I feel valid>Yes you are a bigot>Yes you will stay transphobic
>>739846302save states and rewind go against the intended vision and terms the developers have established, glitches and exploits fall under this exact terminology. If you can't beat the game fair and square, how have you beaten the game? Your mom accidentally forgetting it's 8 o'clock and it's time for bed time doesn't mean you automatically deserve to stay up later.
>>739846225nigger im not antisavestate lol
>>739846439No I won't go back to the 1st level when I dieNo I won't mention I used save states when I tell people I beat the gameNo you can't stop me
>>739846410>spikes were specially programmed to do thatYuji Naka said the opposite.https://info.sonicretro.org/Spike_bug
>>739846480too bad he can't savestate irl to avoid embarrassing xerself
>>739846439Cashnado alarm!!
>>739846457savestates are not part of the game, glitches are. except when savestates are part of the game then it sucks. its also devs fault for adding savestates and not incentivizing players not to use them. retroachievements-style enforcement should be everywhere>Your mom accidentally forgetting it's 8 o'clock and it's time for bed time doesn't mean you automatically deserve to stay up later.just because its illegal to jaywalk doesnt mean im not gonna do it. its the state's fault for not enforcing it
>>739846302doom at least has levels so you can just save at the start.quick save in older PC RPGs is fucking terrible.you never know when you are actually meant to save they just make you do it whenever. but that means any sort of difficulty goes straight out of the window I hate it.
>>739846518we already established you're a tranny
>>739846634Glitches are not intentionally part of the game and are usually an oversight, once the game is out there is no going back to fix it so this is an unfair argument. What if the developers did notice it and would fix it but couldn't? You are still doing something to give yourself an advantage that is unintended. >just because its illegal to jaywalk doesnt mean im not gonna do it. its the state's fault for not enforcing itAppeal to authority fallacy.
>>739846843>What if the developers did notice it and would fix it but couldn't? devs must be more vigilant. bugtesting is literally 80% of coding lol. i think of the megaman engine dev that programmed medical machines and had to be extremely fastidious about bugs because bugs could kill people
>>739846928also: sports. literally 99% of sports rules are just closing loopholes. also that one game show where the guy studied the pattern and won a bajillion dollars, and the production seethed because he wasnt technically breaking any rules
