Why does Tobias foxworth hate living fathers?
do you have a good relationship with your father?
>>739844180The vast majority of the west has daddy issues
>>739844664yes
It feels closer to a trope, an adult mle father like homer simpson is the joke character
I have this theory, that characters are motivated and redeemed through hardships and adversity.
>>739845012Buddy, Asgore isn't getting redeemed.
>>739844664YesAm I literally the only millennial who does? Fuck.
>>739844180I know what he has done, MURDERER.
>>739844180>why does the guy with a fetish for teenage girlboss lesbians seem to have a weird relationship with the concept of masculinitygee whiz anon idk
>>739845425>guy with a fetish for teenage girlboss lesbiansis toby a tranny, all tranny's have this particular fetish
>>739844180Asgore should do some correction with his human daughter.
>>739845645Goddammit, she is hot.
>>739845645>>739845767Kris is a dude
>>739844180He simply slimed the pedophile actively grooming his adoptive human kid and got shit on for it. You just can't be a hero in this day and age.
>>739845828it was a moment of cervine weakness on account of estrus. she did nothing wrong
>>739845767I know right? The most beautiful human in Hometown!
>>739845142idk man a field of flowers engulfed in flames sounds kind of cool, I would never be subverted or lied to by in-game text
>>739844180Don't worry Asgore, I'll kill that piece of shit skeleton when I have the chance.
>>739845828Crazy that she's still circulating, somehow
>>739844180for liberal nepo babies abuse is kind of seen as a status symbol. it makes you special in a way, that's why they're all chasing mental illness to show off their stack of pills. it's a race to be the biggest victim of all, so even when you had a relatively normal father you recontextualize anything he did as abuse.
>>739845543not yet
>>739845543It's just a fetish for Vriska Serket and not a fetish for teenage girlboss lesbians
holy bot
I WILL GET A HAPPY ENDINGI WILL HAVE SUSIE AS MY TOMBOY GIRLFRIENDDREEMUR FAMILY WILL BE RESTORED WITH ASGORE, TORIEL, ASRIEL, KRIS AND HIS WIFE SUSIE EATING AT SINGLE DINING TABLE
>>739845425What if I told you Asgore is the one he displays as soft and feminine and Susie is the one he displays as masculine
>>739844664Yeah and almost everyone i know does as well, but then i go online and it seems like everyone has divorced parents and daddy issues. Is it an American thing?
>>739845543He'll transition one day
I like how a mildly negative portrayal of divorced parents leads a whole cavalcade of schizophrenic retarded /pol/fag tourists to spam threads seething because of the Dad wanting to get the family back togetherKeep it up, guys, I'm sure your retardation will pay off eventually
>>739845828Well we know how she did it. But why?
>>739852895she's just like that, no other explanation
>>739852176More like this is just a recurring trend in cartoons where you always have the straight male character that the writer has a raging hateboner for
>>739853190I genuinely don't understand how you play what we have of Deltarune so far and come away from it thinking that Toby hates Asgore.
>>739853190>More like this is just a recurring trend in cartoons where you always have the straight male character that the writer has a raging hateboner forIt's literally just people ripping off Homer simpsons. Not that anybody has a hate boner for Homer or similar characters. >>739853368I think it's mostly just that he gets humiliated in the end of Undertale.
>>739853643>I think it's mostly just that he gets humiliated in the end of Undertale.Does he really? Toriel gives him a lot of shit, but I always read that like you're supposed to question Toriel's takeaway on the situation, too, given that she ditched him in a time of grief and barely did fuck all to help either. If anything, Deltarune's push towards showing some of Toriel's more negative aspects through a different scenario seems made to make that clearer.
>>739850352>Vriskabut Toby was/is a Pyropefag. like he literally made all of terezi's themes and the most famous pre-undertale photo of tibert is him posing with a redglare cosplayer who absolutely raped him afterwardssusie even has the exact same saw teeth and "obligatory trait for fanart to latch onto forever" chalk eating habit.
Sans is so lucky...
>>739844180Next chapter will make or break the game.
>>739845645Asgore respects his human daughters too much to do that.
>>739853909He also chases the Vriska/Tavros dynamic in Undyne and Alphys
>>739845767>>739846502All humans are, honestly.
>>739854196That's not even remotely the same dynamic because Undyne's not a massive bitch and Alphys isn't a dead cripple.
>>739854046...I can't murder his 1 HP ass in Deltarune
>>739854196But that isn't the same dynamic at all.
>>739848506Kris couldn't let go of her and turned her into the knight for that reason.
>>739854090>GODTIERWe learn about Dess through Asgore being an exposition BITCH like usual(YOU) (yes, (YOU)) will tell Noelle your real nameONE last SCHIZO BOSSsans turning out to know more than he lets out >Meh tierMore Krusie scenesSusie gets arrestedCool gimmick fights>SHIT TIERSHITselle>NIGHTMARE TIERfucking flowey appears
>>739854253it's in the same league as comparing susie to terezi based on eating chalk and having sharp teeth
>>739844664I grew up in a single-father household and while it was rough financially (since he was barely ever home and emotionally distant) I love my dad dearly. Decades of distance makes it hard to open up and connect but I know he's trying, which also makes me smile.
>>739850970>I WILL HAVE SUSIE AS MY TOMBOY GIRLFRIEND>KRIS AND HIS WIFE SUSIE EATING AT SINGLE DINING TABLEThese are contradictory statements.
>>739854336They're also both weird colored monsters who spend their time taking over as hero of the story by breaking the rules of the game and bossing around a human male associated with the color blue and practical jokes who they have a will-they-wont-they ship with that eventually gets dropped when everyone turns out to be gay.
>>739854314>fucking flowey appearsWe will get a Flowey look a like even if that isn't literally him.
>>739854431doesn't john tell her to fuck off pretty quick all the way up until the epilogues where they magically have a thing going
determination is just the windy thingdeltarune and undertale are the same story pre and post scratch. the roaring is the reckoninggaster is doc scratch, friend is spades slick, everyman is charles dutton
>>739844180He doesn't hate Asgore. Putting him through pain is how he shows him his love unironically.
>>739854237Very true!
>>739854506Honestly I don't know, it's been a hot minute since I was on the Husscoaster and didn't pay attention to the epilogue shit at all or anything that came after, but I think the gist of it is Toberto just sorta combined both Scourge Sisters into one character, then made her a furry too for a triple-inversion haymaker corkscrew of obsessive players to appeal to (furries, self-inserter shipfags, and homosexuals).
>>739845767>>739845645Kris is male
>>739854750This very simple factual statement makes millions seethe
>>739854750Kris is female.
>>739844664No, he got consumed by a crack habit and disappeared into the streets after fucking up every job he had after the Army.
please stop engaging with the schizo
>>739854046built for big boner down the lane
>>739854750(Fe)male
>>739854978but i need to tell you about homosuck
>>739854314>fucking flowey appearsYou take that back bitch. OG Flowey tormenting the fun gang would be kino
>>739855079it would be cheap fanservice cam on you know it
He's setting up for a generationally funny rug pull where asgore and toriel get back together after sitting down and talking about their hangups
>>739854978>Get that nigger-bitch out of Castle Town!What did Ralsei mean by it?
Asgore is so lucky...
>>739845543he doesn't transition because doing that in Japan as a public figure is the worst you can do, i don't know any tranny dev
>>739854723Only the most enlightened can appreciate human beauty.
>>739855079It would make no sense dude, Flowey is Asriel and he's alive. Without Asriel he's just a flower, which is what the golden flower darkner will be.
post your yfw nothing is announced or even a single post is made for the entire month of june
>Deltafag thread>Look inside>That one same femkris poster using the same 4 images of tranny kris to horny bait people>Muh dess/knight/friend circle jerk.>Last kruise chad was seen days ago>More retarded horny baiting niggers>Something something tomboys>Zero new orignal theories or posters>Toby fox still getting cucked by his kike friends and unable to finish his goonslop for more than a decade.Predictable as always
>>739855375All true except the second to last one, we did theorize 2 threads ago (There's more in the archive, I'm expecting some anon to make a schizo collage of it soon)
>>739855367
>>739854046RIZZED UP, SEXED, AND GAPED
>>739855342Undertale Flowey tho. The two worlds could be connected via the dark world, Gaster does talk about some darker yet darker experiment or whatever. Either way it'd be up to Toby to justify but I think we already had this discussion before
>>739855129>>739855342through all of those resets, flowey was an entirely different person with next to no hint of asriel leftwhos to say if given a similar scenario, something thats "not" flowey cant appear? without speaking the exact same way too of course
>>739855367This is impossible. I'm not saying there's gonna be a Direct trailer or anything like that but there is no way Toby doesn't say anything at all during the entire month of June. It is IMPOSSIBLE that the testing and whatever else they're doing that by the end of June there is still so much work that they're completely unsure on a release date.
>>739855696See you after another entire month of radio silence.
>>739855641We probably did but these threads are the same discussions over and over anyways, plus you brought up a new point. I guess it's not impossible Flowey somehow gets into Deltarune via Gaster bullshit but I do wonder what the point of that would be, it could work as a spooky sequence of Kris being haunted where it's kept vague if it was even real or not.
>>739855686I do think not Flowey is likely to show up in 5 as the golden flower darkner, but it probably won't be him or act like Undertale Flowey.
>>739855375>Last kruise chad was seen days agoWhat happened to krusiefags anyway? They used to spam it like there's no tomorrow, now its just crickets. Even Ralsusiefags are more consistent, all three of them
>>739853909>>739845543terezi and vriska are not the girlboss archetype, they are well written characters with plenty of flaws. susie is not a girlboss if that's who you mean, a girlboss is characterized mainly by being flawless, super girly and feminine, and maybe EXPLICITLY dunking on male characters EXPLICITLY because she is a heckin female with high heels and lipstickustop calling every female character you hate a HECKIN girlboss nigger
>>739855938The looming threat of Suselle is too frightening, krusiefags hide away from it, you can find them in /trash/, but most of them are too scared to go outside of their thread.
>>739855938the krusie kruise is delayed until Chapter 5For some reason doefags are 10 times more dedicated than susiefags
>>739855938The anniversary stream genoslided them.
kris isn't the girl but he will be
>>739855938I was one of the orignal krusie chads, the quality posters left early augest 2025 and we are left in the dumb low iq niggers. I came back here yesterday after a year and these threads are fucking dead, deader yet dead. No one is even mentioning the noelle rape, that's how you know it's truly over. 2010 redditors masking their lingo and posting their trash on these threads claiming them as their own lmao
>>739856079I post about doe rape every day you fag DO YOU NOT SEE MY EFFORT?!
>>739856170Where's her cock?
>>739855938Everytime you complain about them not being here I kill a Krusiefag in my basement. There's only 4 left, previously 5 that YOU murdered.
>>739856170Your effort alone is great, but back in the early release of chapters 3+4, the boards would max out their kromer points to spam doe rape EVERYWHERE. That team spirit is lost, we even had a few drawfags
>>739856012>For some reason doefags are 10 times more dedicated than susiefagsKriselle actually has a chance of happening to some extent thanks to the Weird Route, unlike krusie, which will only ever "exist" in a handful of optional scenes.
>>739856193She only grows it when she's in Knight Mode.
>>739856079Weren't you the guy wanting everyone to go to a discord?
>>739856296Yea that's me, aren't you that one janny trying to ban me over it lmao? Don't you already get paid enough sheckles? Even discord/reddit troons have more orignal creations, people here are bootleg deltatroons
>>739850970there's only one ending, and that's the end of the dream called hometown
kris is a chad and he fucks ralsei
>>739856385kek fuck off then you retard you're part of the problem
>>739855807I have theory of how and why he would show up in deltarune but it's pure intuition schizo babble so not really worth discussing. I wouldn't put serious money down on Flowey appearing in deltarune, but I also wouldn't completely rule him out either
>>739856385You're a faggot
>>739856465No, I'm not, you poople are, nor do you own this board or thread, keep coping
>Kris never had the makings of a varsity vessel
>>739856385Yeah you can't save threads acting like that bro.
>>739856493Anyone who plays this game is, it's the matter of being a supeiror kruisefag like me or some smelly suselle troon like yourself
>>739856232Good, platonic Krusie works better anyway
>>739856486I mean, I wouldn't mind more schizobabble, it's not like there's much happening and these threads kinda feed on it. Like I said I don't think it's impossible, just unlikely.
>>739856563>broDon't you have xitter likes to farm gen-z "bro">>739856674Jannies will get mad at you for posting on a dead image board on a dead thread
>>739855938>What happened to krusiefags anyway?they all left several months ago due to not having the giga autism to stand these threads, same applies to most of the other posters.
>>739856719Jannies are more mad at you having a psychotic break over people laughing at you for suggesting we make a discord
>>739856385anon for as much as i've complained about the current state of these threads FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE DO NOT ACT LIKE DISCORD WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT. the anonymity is the only things keeping this place barrable and if you're really so upset about the lack of krusiebros just go to fucking sus bro its honestly not even that bad compared to the other generals
>>739846502>The most beautiful human in Hometown!yeah i mean just look at him
>>739856783>they all left several months ago due to not having the giga autism to stand these threadsWow, to think krusiefags are bunch of normies running at the first sight of hardship. They don't deserve their ship being canon
>>739856385Kek, you're still crying
Dess didn't molest Kris.She discovered asriel and Kris were fucking and she threatened to tell the police so Kris killed her
>>739857180jaru...
>this is the future krusiefags want
>>739856951You know shit is bad when the redditor is saying this.
>>739855583why can’t Sans be a cool stepdad?he’s already fucking your mom. no need to be asshole too
>>739857161>They don't deserve their ship being canonIt won't be, so don't worry.
>>739844180He is a jew and that's everything you need to know
>>739856939>>739856951>Jannies are more mad at you having a psychotic break How does this help them? even if the suggestion is retarded, at least it keeps the thread floating.>over people laughingNo one was laughing but me lmao, everyone else was seething>the anonymity is the only things keeping this place barrableDoesn't hurt to try, peeps will act like their dicks are getting cut for the 2nd time, more so I never said discord specifically, I was using it as an example, you can migrate to 7choon 8choon, or endchoon>>739857173Am I really tho? :3If your the ones engaging in my posts
>>739856719That's nice and all but what does that have to do with my post talking about Flowey in Deltarune or not? At least try discussing the game or posting your waifu.
>>739857378Yeah, you are. If you weren't, you wouldn't still be yapping about it.>EngagingSee anon, it's an exchange.I laugh at you, and you give me (you)s.It's a great deal.
>>739857407My waifu? she is the crocodile girl who said she babysitted kris, to be honest kris makes me mad a bit and jealous because I feel like she would be the type to molest and I didn't get molested by her when I was younger.I feel like it was be a very unique experience. Also I thought flowey was gonna time travel or jump thru dimensions in chapter 3 somehow
>>739857610this dude would get catfished by a jpeg
>>739857610Literally everyone wants to molest Kris, goddamn. That's a new girl wanting to molest him. Truly the most molested character of all time.
>>739857687Penis in your ass, u dare judge my waifu? grrr>>739857738The doe molested himCarolGastersusietorielthe icecream mansansthe list goes on and on
>>739857687Truly the most realistic female character Toby has ever written.
>>739856674tldr is Gaster yoinked Chara and Asriel's combined soul after they died and used in his experiments where he eventually got btfo while connecting UT/DR via the darkworlds. The combined soul is now supporting the darkworlds or maybe they're self sustaining and we use the combined soul to control Kris idk (it flashes red and white when activated). Anyway, Chara wishes to get her and Asriel's soul back so they can finally move on to the afterlife or whatever, she is the Angel that will be banished once met with her desire
I wanna put my pee pee in her mawuth or snout and feel her soft leathy cutey green/pink skin, her snout is probably so wide, it won't reach her throat
Why don't you guys collab and make Deltarune dating sim? You already have autism and are clearly unemployed.
>>739857829Susie is one of the few people that didn't and would never molest him.
>>739857610zamn, Asriel got to hit that??
>>739858016We could but then one guy turns it into a virus and bricks all of our systems as image_friend is flashed rapidly while earrape of toriel getting backshots blasts
Stop lusting after lizards
>>739857235Correct!>>739858135Not possible.
>>739857952This theory makes me feel a bit nostalgic because I remember hearing it in the Chapter 1 days but nobody really cares about it anymore. I do honestly think this is more likely than Flowey coming back but it's still very unlikely. Undertale itself never explains what happened to that soul even if it most likely got destroyed.
>>739858093He kissed her than said no way fag because he knew she was trouble.
>>739844664We get along okay because we both hate his wife (my stepmom).We don't really have much else in common. I play video games, he watches rapture slop on youtube.
>>739858212Death is not really possible in the world of deltarune because as we see with gerson, they just get revived in a lower realm that is unseen by common eyes. If asriel died he would be raslsei tier in the darkworld
ALL ABOARD THE KRUSIE KRUISE
>>739857328Toby Fox is a God-fearing white Christian man thoughever
>>739858558This. He is saving the white race... one thread at a time
>>739858324Gerson was only revived because his dust covered object was there and the Knight knew him. It's a rare case.
>>739844664Yeah he's cool.
>>739858212Flowey would have to be there to receive his soul, Chara couldn't just bring it to him wherever he is in UT, she's just a ghost after all. Either way, it's pure headcanon but its the only way I was able to connect all the info we have at least somewhat loosely.
>>739844664Yeah. I go on fishing trips with him and we have a lot of fun together
>>739858653Gerson was in the pastor's office before susie even entered that room. He appeared in both dark worlds without anyone needing to "summon" him. Both in susies dark world and the knighs so no, it's not a rare case, beings in deltarune do not die, they descend into a lower reality. The same way muttler has something to do with friend and echidna with shyren's sister, and possibly the other graves in the graveyard are all connections.
When will you dumbfucks realize that Kris is Toby's self-insert
>>739844180>Why does Tobias foxworth hate living fathers?Because he was molested.
>>739858792We know, he's getting cucked and insisting we go on the rape route, this was established a year ago but I like crocodile girls, not dyke reindeers
>>739858792Toby is a girl pretending to be a man?
>>739858783what the fuck is an encidna
>>739844664There is love there, but he clearly resents me for living my own life and not wanting to make a rural compound with him and my brother.
>>739844664he is better now, but years ago i was scared of him
>>739858653it's more than just the knight knowing who they were, whatever bond the knight had with gerson was very strong and gerson left a huge impression on the knight when he was still alive simply knowing who they were isn't enough, or else he would've been normal in susie's dark world or in castle town
>>739844664I did
>>739858885Jevil's colour scheme, spamton neo's wing and the green and purple serpent https://x.com/qnnbean/status/2038370331589537907?s=20
>>739858727Honestly it's at least an interesting fanfic even if I don't think it will happen, I feel like somethings are impossible to fully understand so far and we need to simply wait and see, we shouldn't try to put Undertale superglue over everything.
>>739858885it's a new meme for that one fister darkner we see in ralsei's explanation in ch3, friend is in the same one apparently in the files it's called 'echidna'
>>739855963Vriska was a well written character until Hussie decided to shove her back into the story after act 5.
>>739858783Gerson was there because Alvin grave robbed him and put his dust object in his office before the Knight made the Church Dark Fountain.
>>739859104Not my point strawman, my point was beings don't die, if the dark fountain was in the graveyard everyone would be alive there
>>739858885The test dummy that Toby decided to give a fancy name to.
>>739853643Have you seen nothing from the past decade
>>739859152Only if whoever made the fountain had a close connection to the dead people otherwise we would get statue Gerson again.
>>739859209But why? you're telling me almost everyone can come to castle town so therefore the knight knew every darkner or fallen lightner? Lancer turns into stone in chapter 2, if turning into stone because you didn't know someone or something was the case, lancer would be fine.
>>739858627How different would deltarune be if Toby started blasting test before working on it?
>>739844180It's because he resents that ASGORE is the coolest character in his games and he'll keep one-upping any future shitters no matter how hard they try to character assassinate him.
Tobias was originally going to do part 3 of the ARG this week or next but he's scared to do it now because Noelle Knight blew up here and his autism won't let him lie if someone sends in a response that's too specific
>>739859152The old man isn't Gerson. Gerson is dead. His soul was laid to rest.The old man is a "Darkner patterned after the memory of a loved one," created from the hammer ensouled with Gerson's dust.He's a simulacrum of Gerson, like Flowey was to Asriel. He's an imitation that can only be created from a loved one's memories, which is why he can't appear in Susie's Dark World or any other.
>>739858792>Kris is Toby's self-insertThat's a weird way of spelling Ralsei
>>739859409>he thinks that the ARG ever had a real answer
cookie cat theory
>>739859290Gerson actually can't go into Castle Town which proves my point that dustners are special cases.
>>739858875Reverse trap confirmed.
>>739859409we know too much
>>739859691We're spiritually connected to Toby... xitter trannies will never understand what it's like to understand a man you have never spoken to like this
/v/ should make a fangame called Deltarune Green. It will feature an all-new cast but in the same setting, ala Yellow. It should include everything we meme Deltarune should have but doesn't actually. Like:>MC is a human that canonically got molested>He's bullied (and raped) by a mean girl>He rapes his submissive childhood friend (she likes it)
>>739859431>His soul was laid to rest.We don't know that if souls break in deltarune for monsters like they do for undertale ones>The old man isn't GersonI'd argue it is gerson reincarnated as himself. He is alive and he clears interrupts and intercepts the prophecies both symbolically and literally. If your gonna use flowery as an example, Flowey was asriel but in a reduced form, and he is self aware of that, he talks about this in his genocide run, what are you on about. They are self-aware beings therefore alive.>which is why he can't appear in Susie's Dark World or any other.>>739859558Wrong, wrong, wrong.Circular logic, he can't go to castle town because you said so? gerson wasn't taken because alvin would know his father's ashes were robbed and contact the police, only to find out the only sheriff in the town is missing. Susie wouldn't take the hammer either because alivn has sentimental value with it so it's better to leave it there.
>>739844180If the father is dead, you can more easily have sex with your goat mom.
I'm gonna post this picture saying "APOLOGIZE" after Chapter 5 drops. Just a headsup.
>>739859762too much effortplus halfway in development we'd have to fight the pronoun horde trying to change the he/him protag into they/them
>>739859878i will be too busy playing the game as to not get spoilered to participate in the first couple threads
>>739844180Toby seems to have a good relationship with his dad. Yes his dad fucking looks like Epstein, it's not just you
>>739859932Deltatroons will look at this image and say smash
>>739859932Every picture I see of Toby just looks like a completely different dude
>>739859893Bro you fags spend 12 hours a day posting here. You clearly have the time and capability to do something productive.
>>739844664Yeah, specially since he died
>>739859986that happens when you wear makeup
>>739859878Only fake fans post during the first few threads, you're supposed to play the game.
>>739860012>Nooo why aren't your delta threads dead like this site!!1No one asked you to be here "bro"Gen X fag
>>739859932>spoilerkekkkk i was going to ask you if this was shooped. uncanny
>>739859017My gut says there must be a deeper connection between the two worlds that goes beyond it just being an AU and the Gaster stuff. After all, Deltarune is meant for people who played Undertale but I'm not going to bummed about it if I'm wrong. I keep noticing vague connections that reinforce it tho, like that conspicuous generator in true lab that has a red soul on it and a creepy smile above with red eyes for no good reason, kinda annoying desu.
>>739844664>go out to the bar to throw darts and drink with my dad>have done so for years>realize I have never seen any adult male hang out alone with his adult son in public for the past decadeThats probably not a good thing tbqh.
>>739859770>he can't go to castle town because you said so?Because Ralsei said so, actually. Play the game.
>>739844664yeah i dowe watch MST3K together and play video games all the time
>>739860012its not a lack of time so much as its a lack of adequate brainpower. staying on a task and learning new things is pure hell for a low iq retard like me
>>739844664he never talks to mebecause i never talk to himbecause he never talks to me
I have to redo my chapter 4 weird route save because I gave Tenna to Mettaton without thinking and now he won't be in Castle Town when it's time to go to the all you can freeze EXP buffet in the finale
>>739860210>Hurrr but ralsei said sooooLike he said about the prochecy? like he said about the roaring and how he actually doesn't either know anything, lies or summarizes things for you on purpose? Ralsei doesn't want you to get attached to the darkners or the dark world, he established that in chapter 3 with "the dark world isn't real" bs because it is real considering snowgrave and berdly's condition. Both the light world and the dark world effect each other and I don't trust that toothpaste fucker for any more intel in the future
>>739860186There's definitely some sort of bigger connection between games, yes. I don't disagree with that. Gaster is obviously the bridge between the two games but I think simulation theory is somewhat right that Gaster made the Deltarune world to fulfill his experiment, his Deltarune. The fact you recognize weird shit just means you have a theorist mind. Toby loves putting symbolism in his games.
>>739859932>quirk chungus coocoo dadyeah this nigga never got beaten and his father is a lesser figure than the mother
>>739844664Yeah. I'm thinking of becoming a truck driver just like him.
>>739860450>you can't joke around with your son or you're le weakkek even the most stoic men ever goofed off from time to time with people they love
>>739860486not what I implied lel
>>739857306>be a cool stepdadhe literally offered to dance with Kris and play whatever with kris but kris wanted to be a mopey faggot and hear his mom get fucked insteadsans (before learning how to tell how many times you've jerked off by looking at your expression) has no way of knowing the hell kris/susie went through. he isnt in the wrong
>>739858792>he doesn't knows about the "kris is toby and noelle is hussie" theory
>>739859932HAHAHAHAHA
>>739844664Went from a man who had everything to a man who barely has 10 bucks in his pocket. When I see him I only feel sadness and disappointment. I try to avoid him but it still hurts doing so.
>>739859770>>His soul was laid to rest.>We don't know that if souls break in deltarune>* ... When monsters die, their dust will be spread over what they loved.>* An object that symbolizes their existence. That object will be buried...>* And in such a way, their soul be able to rest, within that object, and the earth.>He is aliveBut he's not Gerson, in the same way that Tenna is not the same as Kris's television.>Flowey was asriel but in a reduced formFlowey was a flower that was infused with Asriel's dust and brought to life in a freak experiment. Asriel still died.You can make a philosophical argument about the nature of the SOUL and consciousness and identity, but the fact remains that Asriel died, just like Chara died, just like Gerson died.If you want to call whatever form they were brought back in "reincarnation," sure, but they were dead. Chara claims they were "reincarnated" in the Genocide ending but they also call themself a "demon," and it doesn't seem right to call Frisk the "reincarnation" of Chara. Frisk is different than Chara, even if they act similarly and even have Chara's memories, they're not the same. Chara died and their body is dead and buried.>he can't go to castle town because you said so?What do you think "... even if we tried to bring him to Castle Town, he..." means?>Hurrr but ralsei said sooooWhat the fuck makes you think you know better about how Ralsei's Castle Town works than Ralsei?You're arguing against the text of the game, this is the information that we have been given to work with. Ralsei says this is how the thing only he knows about works and we have been given no good reason to believe otherwise.Arguing that you don't need to accept that because you're outsmarting Toby Fox at the story that he's writing is fucking delusional.
>>739860607do you mean Noelle is temmie? Cause they're in a committed relationship or something right?
it's so awesome that Ralsei is the only Deltarune character with a 100% confirmed body count
>>739859932>Oh...? My full name? It's Tobeffry Foxward Epstein
you guys think alphys will ever be important?she is one of the mandatory characters, and has a mandatory scene in every chapter she appears in
>>739860991Fucking newfag. Lurk moar.ANDREW HUSSIE WAS RAPED IN THE SWELTERING SUMMER OF 2025
>>739860991no, i mean noelle is andrew hussie
>>739858792Kris is Toby's edgy perception of himselfRalsei is his homosexual tendencies that were at one point suppressed Susie is an idealized version of a girl who used to bully him in middle school, along with Porky from Earthbound. He's combining the popular "what if Porky opened up and actually allowed Ness to befriend him instead of pushing him away" concept with his own personal experience of wishing he had gotten closer to that girl and understood her betterNoelle is similarly the amalgamation of an old Church crush he had, along with Andrew Hussie. An old friend he grew distant from, who he has a lot of sweet and a lot of bitter memories with, who he might also want to be closer with again.
>>739860479If given the chance, every Krusiechad would gladly RIP Susie off of Noelle's arms and have Kris take her for himself.
>>739861062>spoonfeeding newfags
human dess is yet to be deboonked btw
>>739861146Someone would have probably brought it up at some point
>casually able to destroy the gerson statue>can fly>has fire magicwhat the fuck is this gay piece of shit hiding?
>>739861146Bro even Reddit already debunked it.
>>739861090you are trying too hard
Reddit already debunked Noelle Knight too. The only thing they didn't debunk is FemKris, because they psychologically refuse to engage with it.
>>739861271shut up cunt your grans retarded she walks up the stairs backwards
>>739861224EverythingHow have you not gotten it yet? Raleigh knows about (You). He probably knows the truth about Kris and the Knight. He knows how this story ends. Ralsei is simply just trying to play the role he's meant to at current.
>ralsei was able to destroy the gerson statue>kris has a bunch of powerful moves he only uses against spamton>literally everything with noelle in the WRis everyone but susie holding back
>>739861297oh just like how filthy plebbitors predicted KrisKnight, right?
>>739861062thank you for this anon. i feel like I just learned something I shouldn't have. i will now leave these threads until chapter 5 are it's
>>739861352She HATES when people don't tell her the full deal
>>739861297explain how ribbit deboonked noelle knight
>>739861320his gran's the king of pop?
Hey why is Ralsei so desperate for Kris to not go to the festival with Noelle anyways
if Kris is a dude then doesn't that make Berdly canonically bisexual for implying that they will fall for him over the phone?
>>739845828>That smileShe know her mom will bust her out
>>739861995It's a Toby fox game
>>739861884he's scared of what (you) want to do with her, even on the normal route clearly there's more to her than meets the eye
Burghley has a ten foot penis
>>739861995yes and it also makes the turbo lesbian known as noelle also bi because she's into kris as well
>>739844664Yeah, it's my mom that's not based
>>739862056Birds don't have penises.
>>739861995Every character is lesbian unless proven otherwise
>>739861995Ain't no way Kris is a dude
>>739861884He knows about the "weird route", something in the prophecy or in his inner knowledge as Asriel's notebook pointed out how the player can lead The Girl astray and how The Girl can become dangerous.
>>739862209but i thought susie was the girl? it was promised to me by the canonical official art
>>739862089bisexual*
>>739858260Cute Suze, cute (literally me).Remarkable the difference an eyelash or two on Susie makes
>>739861995Berdlys just trying to take what he can get
>>739862264welcome to Gran Rugpullismo 7
>>739862021this is what I've been saying. the fact that Ralsei wants to keep the player and Noelle apart so badly intrigues me. is it for his benefit or our benefit? are they mutually exclusive?
>>739861995Yes. MaleKris supporters believe both Berdly and Noelle are bisexuals despite the only supposed evidence stemming from the same person with an unconfirmed sex. Noelle is the most flaming lesbian ever, and Berdly explicitly states he is only interested in girls. They do not find it suspicious in the least.
>>739844180where the fuck is this from
>>739844664My dad is fucking awesome
>>739861884It might get weird
>>739862372They're both giga bisexual, spee. Berdly is desperate, Noelle is desperate, Susie is friendship starved and desperate too. These games are the bisexual olympics.
>>739860881-999 iq nigger strawman take, half the post isn't relevant, the other half is intellectualism. And I thought I was using 4chan not reddit, go back NOW
>>739862495>They're both giga bisexualZero evidence. The evidence we have shows the exact opposite. Noelle is extremely lesbian, and Berdly has a very specific taste in women.
I'm convinced Toby Fox is like 7 different dudes figuring out how long they can go without people noticing
>>739858792Always has been. Never let it be forgotten that everyone in Light World were originally supposed to be humans. Or the implications this brings to the fact that Sans is from DR, a plotpoint made before Toby added monsters to Hometown.
>>739852895HUMANMEN
>>739862558Can't wait for you to actually play the game one day.
>>739862562>I'm convinced Toby Fox is like 7 different dudesMakes sense, toby has 7 alter-egos and asgore was an allegory for his drunk father who beats him while he clutches with his bi-sexual personality while toriel was the allegory for his jewish whore mother
>tfw we're the only people in the entire internet knowledgably enough about Toby's life to realize DR is about his life
>>739862612Name a single time Noelle or Berdly show attraction to men.
DAILY REMINDER
>>739862671Kris is a guy and noelle can be raped to like him, she already had a cactus in his name even before he raped
>>739862509>people smarter than me are redditWhat did anon mean by this?
>>739862671She literally tries to get closer to Kris because she starts falling in love with him during the weird route
>>739862562it's not fair that somebody so successful and talented gets to be hot on top of that... i like to delude myself that at birth my looks were "traded" for some kind of talent, when in reality appearance is correlated with good genetics across the board...
>>739862372i don't think berdly ever explicitly tells the audience that he's straight but him consistently going for gamer girls leads credence to thatsame with noelle consistently only being interested in girls
>>739862737You were the same faggot who was arguing yesterday with another anon ragebaiting him, don't play pretend, janny's need to give you the isis treatment for this level of bait
>>739844664Yeah, I'm visiting his place this weekend, actually.
>>739862495berdly actively told noelle he wasn't interested in her romantically in ch2 and would prefer to stay as friends it's a misunderstanding, but he spoke his words truthfully
>>739862671
>>739862671nta but the homoerotic golden statue of himself with a hyperbolic package
>>739862797>janny's
>>739862707>heroes>not heroeseasy peasy lemon yeezy
>>739862736>>739862739>>739862828Circular argument. You assume Kris is a man and use that as proof that other characters are bi, therefore Kris is a man.
>>739862776To be fair, if we discount Kris, Noelle's only options are Berdley, Monster Kid, and fucking Snowy. Jockington isn't on the list because things would get weird with Catti Not exactly the best choices
>>739862902lmfao what is this bullshit fuck off to xitter you dumb tranny.
Biggest thing I have against Flowey coming back is that Asriel isn't dead. And it's not like Asriel's covering up his death with Asgore being in on it, either. There could be a Flowey-like in the Dark World all about gardens and flowers, but Flowey is so fundamentally Flowey that I can't see his personality being facelifted to a random Darkner. At most I can see some entirely new abomination made in his image like Petaly
>>739862825he talks about chicks + he invites krismas to the festival + >>739862836everyone is fucking bi in these games unless explicitly yaoi only
>>739862902Who else are they supposed to be into? Fucking Berdly?
>>739862869>rooditors final form was revealed to be a pol/ack because of misspellingYou need to go back
>>739862736>>739862739>>739862828Kris is a girl stupid
>>739862931I think Monster Kid is a girl and is dating Snowy.
>>739862875Notice how you're too scared to specify which is which with this shitpost reply? Yep.
>>739862985nah mk seems to be a bit unhappy to be snowy's project partner in ch1 and tells kris that he wishes kris would've arrived sooner so they could've been partners instead
Even for alphys Odds for carol
Is ANYONE straight in these games?
>>739863069Nice
>>739863019any non esl will instantly be able to tell which is which by how it's formatted, latinx
>>739863085I know the answer!
>>739863085Toriel and Sans.
>>739863085Much to Rudie's dismay, Asgore only fucks women. He is a lil' fruity though.
>>739863085Literally only Toriel and Carol until proven otherwise.
>>739863142And Asgore but he's so cucked it doesn't even matter
>>739863085AsgoreHe's a pathetic guy but he did hit it.
>>739863085carolasrielburgerpants (he still thinks he's talking to a girl)
>>739862902>argumentI wasn't arguing, nor assuming, kris is and always will be a guy, he's hardcoded to be brocoded, so no, you will not molest him, I'm gonna save him, even tho he threw me in the trash>>739862968>Kris is a girl stupidTranny tranny on wall, how many kiddos will you molest this fall?
>>739863176Asgore is gay with Rudy.
>>739862946I don't think anyone's predicting LITERALLY Flowey from Undertale, but Asgore projecting some warped image of his golden child onto the golden flower makes enough sense. It wouldn't act like Flowey, it would look like Flowey and maybe act like Asriel, kind of.
>>739863098>desperate deflection + desperate ad homYour concession? Rejected.
>>739863191Burgerpants will date the Nice Cream guy at the end of the plotline, 100%.
>whinging about Kris being boy or girl>when the game already tells us its a special third thingAt some point you have to realize Deltarune was made with the wokest of lenses. You retards are fighting over each other's (wrong) headcanons. Shut the fuck up already.
>>739863085pic related makes does froth and lizards blush
>>739863282
>>739863282but what's in their pants
>>739863098>there's only two heroes so far, fuck susie and noelleKEK
>>739863282>Pronouns: they/them[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24][25][26][27][28][29][30][31][32][33][34][35][36][37][38][39][40][41][42][43][44][45][46][47][48][49][50][51][52][53][54][55][56][57][58][59]wikiGODS...
>>739863282Kris needs to have either a penis or vagina. Pronouns don't change that.
Asgore isn't gay, Rudy is just a sexpest like Quagmire. If he wasn't crippled he'd be cheating on his wife.
>>739863365A special third leg.
>>739863365>>739863392Kris has a penis (average size), everyone knows that
>>739863392Undertale/Deltarune humans have featureless crotches with no genitals
>>739863367the dragon and the angel/ knight nothing says they can't work together
>>739863509>the dragon and the angel/ knight? Side characters>the real third hero? StarwalkerKEK
>>739863479FALSE
>>739863392Well I'm sure in the world of lesbian fish benchpressing cars and living fire you can have fun with your Penis & Vagina theory. I'm just pointing out face-value information that's been known since 2018.
>>739863581you know the truth
>>739863463Which is 7.5 inches, according to 2026 statistics btw
>>739863581>the real third hero? Starwalkerthat's the ORIGINALSTARWALKER
>>739844664I've made my peace with his and my flaws. He's a spineless, shit talking snake and I am too.I wonder if things will change once he kicks the bucket. God knows he's close to it.
>>739863639>>739863687ENTER
>>739863596that's just rubbing
>>739844664Mine went to abandon me with my autistic brother. Heavy alcoholic, which one would argue it was better for him to be out of the picture this way.My Grandfather was awesome though, he basically filled that role since he practically lived with us. He's not with us anymore (died naturally) but he lived long enough to teach me everything I needed to know.
>>739863596Poor krissy is desperate... imagine growing up around this and you're the only human in town...
>>739861352Susie is the only person who is not actually important to the prophecy, and has to work to get through while everyone else has Chosen One powers
>>739855367https://litter.catbox.moe/mkwnpgkt44kcgymb.mp4
>>739861352She was hitting 300s on Lancer in Chapter 1, you just gotta piss her off
Asriel and Pizzapants practiced with eachother.
>>739863924The practice? Testing how many burgers they can feed Dess in one day before she starts having heart complications.
>>739863918vs. susie is unironically the best song in deltarune to this day and i won't hear otherwise
>>739863918When Lancer was just standing there not defending himself at all?
>>739863839>Ew, old.
>>739864054Everyone else's big feats are all literal backstabs or ambushes, what's your point
>living fathers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDUVuk50v6U
>>739864047vs. susie (reprise) has been one of my most anticipated songs for years nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZmevLE0lb0
>>739855453>dustner dess>new and originalI've been trying to explain the parallels between gerson and dess for months
>>739864708yes but i can only trust toby to do it wellevery remix of vs. susie is shit because they all completely fail to capture the emotion of the original
I want to break this hags hip
>>739851000obviouslyhe said weird relationship with it
>>739855696It's just doomfags doomfagging.
It's been 10 years, but you haven't forgotten the lore from Undertale, right?
at various moments through the last year I've pointed out and complained about how every chapter feels like a completely different storybut with my monkey's paw track record with deltarune, I'm already anticipating chapter 5 will be the first one to follow the same tone and style from the previous chapter at it will be a drag
>>739865365
>>739865114she wants you to save and, or groom both her daughters. she Rudy only...unless you get the true secret ending
>>739865365not me, but people instantly memoryhole the previous release as soon as a new one comes out
>>739865686that was about flowey and (you)
>>739865686>our reportswhat the fuck do you mean by "our" sansare you a time janny or somethingi'm still flabbergasted about this and how there's absolutely 0 explanation for it
>>739865776>are you a time janny or something
>>739865776he does it for freethat's why he shags your mom
>Heaven knows>the story that we've born>from our hearts>Of the SHADOWS CUTTING DEEP>and the heroes that save usRemember that there are STILL Gaster deniers among us
>>739855938Krusiechads are the closest things to normal people this fandom hasThey're playing other games and waiting
>>739844664>schizophrenic>alcoholicNo. My mom was worse for being manipulative and neglectful. I fucking hate parents and the mentally ill.
>>739865881I don't think people really discuss the fact the town worships gaster as a god
>>739844664yes. i love him with my soulit feels so good to have loving parents and husband bros
>* Kris, Susie...>* There is a LEGEND in this land.>* A LEGEND that one day, two HEROES of LIGHT will arrive,>* And fulfill the ancient prophecy, foretold by time and space.>Oh my god, so like, the Angel, that's watching over all of us?>It has, like, this COOL prophecy, like, foretold by time and space.
>>739865470>CORRECT. DR. ALPHYS HAS A CRUSH ON...>THE UNKNOWABLE.>YOU SEE, ALPHYS BELIEVES THERE IS SOMEONE OUT THERE.>SOMEONE WATCHING HER.>SOMEONE SHE THINKS IS "CUTE" AND "INTERESTING.">HELLO, THEORETICAL PERSON.>DR. ALPHYS LIKES YOU.>TOO BAD YOU ARE NOT REAL.
Noelle vessel soon
>>739866469GOURYON SOUZEN!
>>739866617HUU
>>739866757I think that's how he says it when he does his "Inferno Divider" move in Remake lol
>WHETHER 11 HOURS OR 11 YEARS, DELTARUNE WILL BE WAITING.>HOW MUCH LONGER NOW...? MY DELTARUNE.Have we considered that the DELTARUNE could be an actual object of power like the Triforce that it's transparently based on, and the "ANGEL'S HEAVEN" could be like the Sacred Realm?What if the plan is as simple as literally making a wish for Dess?
>>739860229nicemine is always busy though but we occasionally play street fighter or darkstalkers 3.
>>739866873>deltarune is a magical object like the triforce>KEYGEN>jackenstein>we haven't heard from toby in (over) a monthSEND LINK
>>739866818Apparently what he says is "Pro-Violence!" when translated according to this video. Kinda dig his new voice, even if the old one is cooler.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNOZme1oPSM
>>739867196OHHH YEP that's the one. LMAO BORYOKU SANSEI. Damn I actually got it so wrong.
midnight hours...sweet release....
>>739865881I think it is very likely Deltarune will definitively answer who "what do you two think" refers to. Seemingly the entire point of Gaster in Undertale is foreshadowing Deltarune, and in that context "what do you two think" would be a very strange thing to write if you don't plan to reveal who is being referred to.
New theory: SANS is a furkang darkner who came to life in the light world, because he is the only one to posses his undertale ajcent abilities (teleportation)
>>739865943>one of (our) main goals to find gaster>from out point of view we're just trying to find the funny mystery man.>from kris's point of view we're going to force him to stare god in the face because "lol! dere's da mystery man!"
>>739865897>They're playing other games and waitingHow did he know? are you spying on me?
>>739859932Toby Fox had a dad?
>>739863839
>>739868000>god is also related to the janitor fucking kris's mom
>>739845828it wasnt grooming
>>739867951Since Chapter 2 I unironically think "you two" was Kris and Dess walking in on Gaster experimenting with the Dark World in the Shelter
>Spider-Butt, Spider-Butt>Only gives her spider donut!>Takes a cock, any size>Catches dicks just like flies!>Look out!>Here comes the Spider-Butt
>>739853774I really feel like a lot of Deltarune's asgore/toriel is just toby getting upset that more people took the side of the person who talked to you an entire tutorial, over the word of a person who has all of like five lines of dialogue before getting killed by the real final boss. Like, undertale presented toriel in a way where it was clear that she was completely in the wrong and simply making everything worse for everyone in order to satisfy her own consciousness (but even then she is doing this by lying to and killing kids) but no one cared so now deltarune is just really drilling it in that shes a massive selfish bitch and asgores only real mistake is loving her in the first place.
>>739868478>undertale presented toriel in a way where it was clear that she was completely in the wrongAsgorefags are so funny
>>739867903God am I glad that Lancer exists
>>739868547I'm not saying asgore was correct, but rather that the intended interpretation for undertale is that they are both wrong, but most people discussing the game did not come to this conclusion. And toby, by overcorrecting for people incorrectly thinking that toriel was correct and a moral guide in undertale, ended up defanging asgore and made him less of a character by just making his entire existence into an object lesson about how shit of a person toriel is.
>>739868547When the country needed her after the double kid death, she vanished and let Asgore's hot head rile everyone up to murder humans, and did nothing about the barrier or anti-human sentiment in the years since, she just hid some dank ruins apathetic (and probably drunk)That's just as bad leadership as Asgore, just in the opposite direction
>>739868556lancer is totally going to die, isn't he?what will be it>permanent petrification by the inevitable roaring>carol tears the jack of spades into shreads>we snowgrave him
>>739865776Alphys is his partner. They were both assistants under Gaster. Toby has said before that the two had history and would be closer if nobody else was around
>>739868547Toriel's idea of what Asgore should have done is complete human genocideShe was mad that Asgore half-assed it, and used an excuse to not move on the humans as long as he possibly could. She wasn't actually mad about the whole turbo racism thing, she was mad that he got everyone's hopes up
>>739844664YeaHes fucking rad
>>739868991Also important to note that if Toriel is the type of person to be OK with revenge genocide, she also probably helped Kris cover up the murder of Dess. Yes yes different universes and all that, but the core of these people are all the same. And Toriel is still the mom who tells her kid to not return his over due librarby book instead of paying the fine.
>>739868991Asgore announced to the undergroudn that he was going to do human genocide.Toriel explained what he could've done if that was truly what he wanted, and used that as evidence that he was a hypocritical coward that couldn't admit he regretted saying that.
>>739868710>she vanished and let Asgore's hot head rile everyone up to murder humansAsgore let hate and rage consume him and betrayed everything he stood for, and the people supported him for it. He refused to be talked down by Toriel, and eventually she gave up on him, refusing to be part of institutional child murder.Retreating to the Ruins to mourn her own dead children and trying to stop others from going to their death at Asgore's hands is not "just as bad" as deciding to murder children.>>739868695>the intended interpretation for undertale is that they are both wrongIn the 10th anniversary stream Toby talks about how he hoped to get across how every one of his characters has flaws and shortcomings, specifically citing Toriel as an example because one of his friends who playtested thought she was basically perfect. Toby made changes in response to this to make her flaws more apparent, but didn't feel that they were really necessary. Toby feels this way because he idealistically, foolishly, has too much faith in his audience's ability to read.Asgore and Toriel are both flawed characters. They even share many of the same flaws, both being too cowardly to use their power to do the right thing, and instead meekly hiding away waiting and hoping that another human child never comes.This does not mean that they are both equally in the wrong, however, because the reason that they're both hoping another child never comes is because Asgore has continuously and willingly decided of his own volition to have the child murdered.
>>739868991>>739869108>Toriel's idea of what Asgore should have done is complete human genocideblackest gorilla monkey illiterate knuckle-dragging ape can't understand the story of a game for children
>>739860479>a mom getting boyfriend means she's cucking her sonWhat the fuck is wrong with you people?
>>739869628*daughter
the problem with UT toriel is that she's mad that asgore didnt do the exact thing that got asriel killed>superweapon leaves home to simply put dead adopted daughter back at her home>superweapon comes back dead>however many years later, bitch of a wife decides to bitch and moan about him not simply taking one soul and gathering othersyeah no shit asgore decided to wait rather than going out and trying to collect six more souls, as far as he knows they have something stronger than a soul fused monster. the only realistic play there is to wait for all seven, otherwise he's risking all the time spent gathering the existing ones and tossing a boss monster soul away.
>>739865897Can confirm, I'm playing Warframe RN and am planning on making a Kris themed Kullervo And Kris Operator once I get around to doing his grind.
I just don't think people should kiss lizards.
>>739869918Good thing she is a dragon who shall grow wings and huge breasts and ass, breathe fire, and grow larger after attaining true love's kiss....
>>739868424>the spider web patterns of her leggings converge into her asshole
>>739869682
>>739869918You can't stop me
>>739870159i would alphys if she takes a shower and i'm not ashamed to admit it
>>739869628There are rules single parents are meant to follow in order to not fuck up their kids, Toriel broke those rules, in this case being sure that her hooking up with Sans is going to be a long term deal and then gradually introducing Sans more and more into Kris's life in that role.
>>739868478Undertale completely failed on giving any proper negative framing of Toriel. Every other main character had their own "yeah I fucked up" moment where they get humbled down, Toriel almost has hers when she acknowledges she couldn't stay on the ruins forever, but then she immediately shifts into shitting on Asgore. Even Alphys got a moment to get humbled, and she largely got away unpunished for what she did. But for Toriel you even get the option to go live with her.>>739869314Asgore saw his entire race get hunted down by humanity, and the survivors get imprisoned for eternity into a cave. Even then, he gave a chance, he took a human kid as his own, and then again humanity took it and his own son away again. Seven humans souls are nothing next to the lives of thousands of monsters. Toriel wanted to keep everyone else imprisoned for the sake of cheap moralism, the ONLY actual counter she has against Asgore was the war declaration, but the narration makes it seem she didn't even try talking him and others down despite the fact everyone respected her.And from what is probably an unintended consequence of lore that Toby didn't keep track of properly, the game has TWO instances where getting less than 7 souls is a terrible idea: Asriel and Chara, then Flowey. All those plans failed, while Asriel GoHD could have succeeded if he wasn't a bitch. This way, Asgore waiting for 7 souls was the best course of action anyway.>Toby made changes in response to this to make her flaws more apparentIn many ways, Toriel was a huge failure for Toby. By the anniversary stream, he specifically wanted her to not be just a mother, but that was the only thing most people took from her. And it isn't "le audience can't le read", the bulk of her character arc was about being an empty nest mother or bitching against her ex husband, her relationship with Sans is the closest thing to something else but that immediately gets pushed into a parental-esque role, again.
>>739870274One more thing:I do think succeeded with his "mother character" goals through Queen, she genuinelly has other things going on while still being identifiably a maternal character in many ways.Yet another thing:The Ol' Jitterbug was definitely another attempt at tearing the popular image of Toriel (and Sans) down.
>>739845425/thread
>>739870274>Every other main character had their own "yeah I fucked up" moment where they get humbled down
>>739870526That's nowhere near what everyone else had. She is just facing the fact she doesn't has the balls to stand for her goals, and the whole thing is undercut by her asking Frisk to never go back, yet again putting herself first. She never has a moment framed in an almost humiliating way where her world views get shattered (except in genocide but we're discussing pacifist here).MAYBE you could argue that Papyrus doesn't get that, but it's not like he has a huge flaw that must be addressed like everyone else, besides being naively full of himself.
>So Kris Dreemurr didn't make it. What a waste of goddamn time that was.>They were never the "Angel's Vessel." I'm the the only "Angel' we need.
>>739860786Make sure you show him you care, if you doHe may be in a dark place
>>739865365this drawing has to exist irl btw. theres snow shot that toby wouldnt put his deltarune fever dream scribble as a lore piece in undertale, especially since deltarune as a concept came first
>>739863282jesus christ lmao
>>739844664No, he never had any patience or room in his life for anyone else but himself.And now he wonders why I only visit him during holidays and few times in summer. Also he is now obsessed with health bullshit, First it was fibers, then it was special oils, now he discovered Keto, next year it will probably be carnivore diet or something.
why does toby fox hate heterosexuality and masculinity
>>739856395i like this theory
>>739858558>his game is filled with lesbian shit and they/thems>actively shits on fatherhoodsounds pretty kosher to me, rabbi
>>739864708It will be called 'vs. a monster' in the weird route when Susie finally catches on what you are up to.And it will be Kino
I WILL CLAIM AND SAVE NOELLE
>>739872117some BODY
>>739874045My beloved grey daughter...
>>739873754>>actively shits on fatherhoodHe still presents Asgore on a positive light despite the embarrassing moments, and have a special moment where Asgore checks on Kris during the bathroom crashoutAnd also, Rudy is still presented as a good father who cares about his daughter Noelle
>>739874225yeah, despite his constant humiliation ritual when toriel is nearby asgore does treat kris wellthe swatch memories also paint him in a favourable light iirc rudy is also presented as having a very positive relationship with noelle at the very least, but from what little we get with him and carol he seems to be too passive with her, which is now compounded by his absence in the housevery minor but snowy also seems to have a decent relationship with his father, from what little we see of it
Dess raped Kris.Kris killed Dess.
>>739873979>when Susie finally catches on what you are up toShe couldn't catch a cold, (you)'re going to directly show her what (you)'re up to for the sake of getting a good boss fight.
>>739871742Berdly is a lucky guy
>>739868170>attractive face>the biggest, ugliest, floppiest, most hot dog-lookin' ahh off-model titsThis seems to be a trend in Deltarune NSFW art, I have no idea why, and I hate it. No one ever draws Queen as a slender goddess, she's always got huge wrinkled grandma tits.
Toby's not gonna let him show up no matter how much you want him to.
>>739875079Why are you scared of feminine features
>>739874401Turns out human semen is toxic to monsters in large doses
>>739875461"Feminine features" is not universally equal to "potato sack tiddies".
>>739875552Why are you gay
>>739875559Why are you black
Imminent correction.
>>739860530>Offered to dance with KrisThis gives me the vibes of that Arthur picture where Binky slowly replaces his dad and one of the panels is>Binky is taking baths with my mom and it's making me uncomfortable>Nobody said you couldn't join us Arthur
>>739875935being krismas is suffering
if kris and noelle are just self inserts of toby fox and andrew hussie, who is susie?
>>739877050Reasonably, the schizo tranny who thinks she's Vriska and ruined Hussie's life.
>>739877103that's actually so based
>>739877050susie represents the fans>thinks they're important>forces themselves where they dont belong>* your choices dont matter>will inevitably be abandoned as the actual main characters move forward>>739877103>and ruined Hussie's life.QRD? im not well versed in homestuck, much less its drama.
>>739877103>ruined Hussie's lifetl;dr?the only thing I know about homestuck is the fact it was so common for people to draw pregnant art of the preteen characters that it had to be a specific rule against it
>>739844180His name is Robert
>>739844664YesBut I want his properties and investments.
>>739877153but anon you dont get it I AM IMPORTANT IM LITERALLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PERSON
>>739877153Susie represents the fans in the sense that we both are trying to defy the prophecy. The difference is that her way is probably the only way that has everybody live, while our way (The Weird Route) will probably destroy the world.
>>739877146It certainly gives off this extremely weird connotation to the entire love triangle thing if you think about it. I actually have no idea how you're supposed to look at it.I think Toby really just shouldn't have done all this in the first place.>>739877153Hussie started dating a 16 year old fan who thinks she's Vriska, that Vriska is based on her, and the other way around in 2012 or so.As the homestuck hypno fetish poster (huge faggot) can tell you, Vriska is basically Hussie's perfect girl. So having a real life Vriska was apparently a big deal for him.In the comic, Vriska's whole character arc was about how she isn't the main character. And in the afterlife she's made to accept that.After they started dating, Andrew Hussie's self insert- as in his actual author character- goes on a 20 page rant about how much he loves Vriska and is obsessed with her.What follows is an in-canon retcon of events where instead of dying, Vriska lives, and to sum it up- It becomes THE VRISKA SHOW.It's just VRISKA VRISKA VRISKA until the ending. The entire story bends tremendously to tell you that Vriska is the only character who mattered, the only character who cared, and the only character you should care about because everyone is just going along with whatever she tells them to do.And after the immense fallout of the fanbase calling Hussie a shit for how the comic ended- This girl who called herself Vriska turned on him, called him a groomer, and left him saying that everything he did was all his own fault (of course, pretending that she wasn't writing massive schizophrenic rants about how Vriska is literally her while dating him and the comic being entirely about Vriska).
>>739877796Jesus Christ.
>>739877796I'm not a moralfag but I will call him retarded for letting himself fall for this shitThen again if he was a turbo virgin sperg then him spilling his spaghetti for the first female to give him attention makes sense but that could just be me projecting.
>>739877796well im not sure what i was expecting but that certainly was not it.im actually at a complete loss of words. there's so much there i want to comment on but for the first time in my life the words are outright not coming to me.
>>739877990Hussie went out of his way to personally stand by everything he did while chasing 10 years younger pussy when the comic ended. Meaning that he personally made the decision that his own artistic credibility was worth less than his no-longer girlfriend (lol).And he's done like 20 other things to ruin his own life besides that, so he doesn't really deserve your empathy.
>>739877796I think you're combining two or three separate people. Most of the "I am literally Vriska" stuff was Kate the Tranny, who never dated Hussie and came along well after he made HS the Vriska Show. The 16-year old fan he dated/married/divorced was Shelby Cragg's (the girl Calliope was based on) sister. IPGD had a lot of influence over the writing of late HS, but she was more on the "pump Davekat and slander Jade" side of things.Incidentally, Hussie's currently dating yet another Vriska cosplayer half his age. She's an insane BPD control freak trying to go to war with the homestuck reddit, just like Kate the Tranny. He attracts this type because he is this type
>>739878285Yeah thank you scholar.Either way Vriska is the most obvious comparison to Susie in the whole Hussie=Noelle and Kris=Toby triangle, which still remains confusing if you whittle it down to Vriska not actually being a real person.I still think he really shouldn't have done this with all the weird implications.
>>739854046SLUT
>>739878384Erm Aktually Hussie is the soul and snowgrave is toby commenting on the fact that Hussie is a retard who lusts after mentally ill teenage girls.
Pack it up Knight theorists.
>>739878741>Snowgrave is Hussie possessing Toby to rape... himselfReally mysterious stuff.
>>739861146She has a gender so she can't be a real human, that's the rules.
>>739862417That's Veth from /sus/ down at /trash/.
>>739862946>>739863224Yeah, I expect the golden flower darkner to be Flowey 2.0, maybe even acting like how Papyrus thought Flowey was like as a subversion of it.
>>739865365Yes, I'm curious what's this drawing is about as Sans hasn't interacted with anyone in Deltarune that Frisk wouldn't recognize.
>>739865776It's obviously him and Papyrus/Gaster. Sans knows more than he lets on.
>>739863085toriel, asriel, sans, elnina, dogamy and dogaressa, carol, ralsei and berdly if you're a femkris truther
>>739866873The Deltarune is the prophecy. >The legend of this world: DELTARUNE
>>739863282well you see counterargument fuck you
>>739879642>The legend of this world: DELTARUNEObviously meaning the world itself is DELTARUNE.
>>739869703Asriel only died to the humans because he didn't fight back, this is something even the monsters knew. If Asgore was serious in his declaration humanity would've been dead already.
>>739879798This of course being headcanon that pretends the monsters weren't forced underground in the first place.If Asgore were serious about his declaration he'd be dead and the monsters would have nobody while Toriel sits around eating snails for 200 years.
>>739877796>>739878285The lesson seems to be to not date any cosplayers, they're insane.
>>739878384I thought Vriska was Dess, though.
>>739879931I don't think he would be dead but either humanity or monsterkind would be dead, yeah. Toriel’s point is that Asgore shouldn't be an indecisive coward and just pick a side.
>>739879616That artist is a big booba doe truther.
Aside from the "He's fucking temmy" memes, does this man have a girlfriend?
>>739869703that line exists to avoid people question about why asgore didn't just take two or three souls, cross the barrier and collect the rest (even if asriel and chara technically explain that). Asgore explicitly does not want another war but feel obligated to free his people so he's just doing it in the slowest way possibly which is why he immediately gives up the moment toriel tells him to fuck off.
>>739880485He had a ring in that one picture with the japanese delevopers
>>739877050omocat
>>739880061>Either humanity or monsterkindNo. Monsterkind already lost. Monsterkind has no chance. There is no reality where monsterkind ever wins. Or else we would be living in that reality.Seeing how Flowey becomes god-like in power with only 6 souls really skews people's sense of scaling.But you have to remember that even in a full on war, nobody fucking made it that far. No monster was capable of killing more than 2 or 3 guys and absorbing their souls before dying. That is the scaling you need to use. That the reason monsters never got to the point of god-like power- which is only 7 people- is because they're fundamentally too weak to even get there.Asgore would fucking die, and then nothing would happen.
Canon Kris boob size at the end of the thread.
>>739880657This but for the other two humans.
>>739880657damn threads over that fast huh?
>>739880581That's Dess.
>>739880708This but for the other human protagonist.
>>739880605Humans also fought alongside monsters according to Gerson in the 10th anniversary so it's more like none of them wanted to use a human soul, not even from their allies.
>>739880541which is the lucky lady?
>>739880864ME.
>>739880783There's also the fundamental mechanic of "rebelling souls" which seems infinitely more likely when we're talking about people you have killed just 5 minutes ago.Fundamentally all the souls of the 5 kids after Chara are docile because they had to have literally given up and just died, since they could reset infinitely underground. They only react (like Chara) to Frisk's determination, and immediately fuck Flowey over.There is no world, no headcanon that can imply Toriel's suggestion is actually valid, and it's simply a "gotcha" to own Asgore.Of course being angry enough to call for total humanigger death 2 was also a bad call.Toriel is just really a petty bitch who let 5 kids die and uses that as fuel to get back at her ex rather than take responsibility.
>>739880994I don't think Toriel’s suggestion is valid, it's just her calling Asgore out for not going through his promise, it's that simple.
>>739881045Yeah which is why I said it was just her being a petty bitch rather than, I dunno, doing the same thing she described but asking humans to help their dumb asses out instead.
>>739854046>>739880535What's her body count?
>>739881486Three
>>739855696>>739855367It's not like CH5 is going to feature out of field mechanics and visuals that are difficult to test. I'm pretty CH3 alone took the most amount of dev time of all the Chapters, Toby fox said that in comparison CH4 was way easier
>>739881486>What's her body count?How many male monsters are there in the town?
>>739881604>Chapter 3 took the most time because Toby wanted to make it as short as possibleReally weird how that shook out.
>>739881486Just Asgore.
>>739863085Berdly and Ralsei are either super straight or questionablely bi depending on your powerlevel
>>739881650Having the characters in your party feel like actual indepedent players in the minigame was probably an insane hurdle
>>739882424Yeah and the fact that people kept telling him that the chapter sucked and they had to remake it from the ground up with actual things instead of having a fucking FILLER CHAPTER in a 7 chapter game took up a lot of time.
