I loved it. Fuck you.
>>739859275nah fuck you
>>739859275Fuck this >>739860424 guy, OP, I am with you. I enjoyed it very much.
>>739859275Because it's a good game. A lot of the quests are absolute peak.
>>739859275This nigga loves trash. Oh no no no no no. HE'S A FOOKIN RACOOON
>>739859275It was a decent one time playthrough game. it could have been better with a better story, more risks, more high beats and more lows. It felt pretty flat through the whole thing
>>739859275Ah, fuck you, Leatherman!
>>739859275Same. It was amazing. My favorite Final Fantasy is 4 so it's not like I'm a nu-fan. I like all FINAL FANTASY games except 2 and 13. 11 and 14 aren't real games so i dont count them.
>>739859275I am so happy for you.
>>739860571I wanna plap Jill so hard just from this gif alone
>>739859275Why are you mad at us? It's your fault for having shit taste.
>>739862079She literally a kid in that gif
It's a solid 7/10, which used to be a respectable number before the internet was irreparably damaged by YouTuber and Twitch fags that make everything out to either be the worst or best thing ever for views.
It was incredibly dull, the only interesting part was the first couple hours and then it turns into an empty world with boring, padded quests and bland combat that makes Goy of War look like it has depth. Voice acting was ok, but they kill off Cid pretty early who is the only good VA among the cast. SoP is much more enjoyable as a game and a FF entry. XVI simply...exists.
>>739862194esl kun...
I had more fun playing it that 7 rebirth
>>739859275Is it true there's no party members?
>start of the game until you finally fight garuda as ifritholy fuck this is the best FF has been in a long time, I can't wait to see the rest of what they cooked up>literally everything after the garuda fight that isn't a cutscene including cid is the worst shit you've ever done in a gamethe team obviously did the amateur mistake of refining the intro of the game too much and they forgot to fix the rest of itafter I was flying in literal outer space shooting explosions at bahamut and 20 minutes later it wanted me to track down faggot retard bandits in the fucking desert shithole encampment I turned it off and never went back
>>739862079Adult Jill is the girl you are looking for, anon.
Trash game will forever stay trash
>>739862741see>>739862292
>>739862726Young and Adult Jill are hot
>>739862292There were a bunch of YouTubers streaming FF16 when it came out. Most of them aren't even into action games or FF so they were clearly paid streams. They played it and that was it, never talked about the game again. It just shows how forgettable the game was. Left zero impression on people once they were done with it like any other hollywood slop these days.
>>739860571>A lot of the quests are absolute peakOnly if we count the DLC because the sidequests are pretty homogenized.
>>739861489>except 2Why? 2 is fun.
>>739859275why say that? that's rude
It was a solid game
It was a shitty game
Why did these games have the exact same plot and similar gameplay and level-up systems?
Why don't you try making a thread on /vrpg/ and see if the people there agree with you
>>739862546No party members? In FF? That would be ridiculous
>>739863163Arise > XVI
>>739863245They're both mediocre but I agree with that.
Its on sale right now. Thinking of getting it for a..gaming illiterate family member. He sucks at navigating open world games and sucks at combat in most games. If he played it he would be using all the casual mode accessories. But the game is basically a hallway simulator right? I imagine it would be hard to get lost or struggle much with those things on.
>>739863673>But the game is basically a hallway simulator right?There are open areas and also regions where you will need to use the map to navigate, but for the most part the game is a corridor simulator.
>>739862971It's weird how repetitive attack animations from PS2 and even PS1 games are more spectacular and memorable than the boring-ass summon fights in XVI.
>>739859275No fuck you, outside of visuals there is literally nothing praise worthy about this game. The combat is complete garbage, one of the worst action games I've played in a long while, it's unresponsive and the visual clutter is so obnoxious you can't see shit that's happening around you and the traversal through the maps is mind numbingly slow and boring. Never even touching the story and characters just the gameplay alone puts XVI below even XV as one of, if not honestly THE worst playing game in the entire series.
>>739863673Why would you give him this instead of Bejeweled at that rate
>>739863163Both are the worst games in their respective series, funny that.
>>739859275Good for you anon. Other people loved final fantasy 13 and 15, maybe you should check those out too.
>>739862516>I had more fun playing it that 7 rebirthI refuse to believe that.I played Rebirth first, having done so made 16 a near unplayable experience. By comparison, 16 felt so slow and dull, I was forced into one playstyle and even basic movement felt like a clunky chore, the game outside a few segments was anti-fun. FF16 is objectively much inferior gameplay-wise and the story doesn't reach it's potential, the characters couldn't be more bland if I didn't see the name "Jill" in this thread I wouldn't have remembered her or any character outside of Clive. The game was okay but it didn't have the polish of a mainline FF
>>739864692He still wants a 'real' game with plot, some feeling of exploration and world even if he sucks at it. He doesnt wanna play stuff like Tetris. And he shuts me down when I bring up stuff like Stardew thinking its too childish and not good graphics. But at the same time hes the kind of guy who asks for help with like 75% of Far Cry missions on the easiest setting.
>>739859275I can believe it when someone claims Halo or FIFA is their favorite game. I cannot believe it when anyone claims they loved this title.
>>739859275>Absolutely boring characters>Quest design is atrocious>Gameplay is stale and has 0 variation>Less than 0 RPG mechanics>None of the charm other FF titles haveIt fails as an action game, it fails as an RPG, it fails as an FF game. It is, I assume, a decent movie for the Netflix generation.
>>739859275i thought it was like a 6/10, i was surprised to see how vitriolic people get over it though (like itt)
>>739859275I liked it a lot too, OP. Personally, I have it a 9.3/10 and Clive is easily one of the best FF protagonists, Top 5, even. I just wish the ultimate antagonist was better.
>>739860571Why couldn't I have a girl who loved me unconditionally for being who I was?Its not fair.
>>739863163>Ice queen girlfriendJill was never an ice queen. When she met Clive again, she's under the assumption he was a random soldier trying to kill her.
>>739859275I’ll try it one of these days
>>739865420Its 60% off right now
>>739865475I already own it, I just can't seem to sit down to actually play it. I keep telling myself "I'll play it next" but invariably play something else instead.
>>739862292I'd put it a little lower in the 6.X/10 range, which mind you is still infinitely superior to the pile of flaming dogshit that 15 was. It was kinda surreal seeing so many people on here treat the game like it was some kind of cataclysmic betrayal of the franchise, when the series hasn't been good since 9. Final Fantasy has been a franchise exclusively catered to fujoshis and mentally ill troons for like two decades now.
>>739867578>since 9
>>739859275How did you love the braindead skill cycling combat, the mmo tier side quests, or the shitty little empty level design?
>>739859275You can really tell they had the d-team working on this while the talent made Rebirth
I need to finish it. I forget where I was even at, but I think it was a bit after Titan. Did the dlc and updates make some skills better? I recall that I think the best dps was some multi hit thing you placed and then comboed on top of it.
>>739863163Square is known for copying the absolute fuck out of vastly superior games and this bullshit actually made someone straight up leave the company.It's extremely blatant with FFXIII ripping off FFVII, FFX, Digital Devil Saga and Persona 3. The director is a complete hack.
>>739860571>Because it's a good game.No, it's a mediocre game. And that's ok. You are allowed to like things that are just mediocre. Quit getting your self worth from the mistaken belief that you only like things that are actually of high quality. Even the best people can enjoy substandard products and entertainment.
>>739859275I hate to quote SBFP since Pat and Woolie are retards but he described it best:Its like you giving you a sports car and you cant go beyond 2nd gearThe game has so much combat potential that goes unexplored due to cooldowns and limited skill slots, youre playing with only 1/3rd of the toys on your toolbox
>>739859275XVI has a 7/10 gameplay and a 3/10 story.I can't believe this is from the same series as VII which has a 10/10 story.In a decade you won't remember some extremely mid hack-and-slash mechanics. You will remember the story. Or in this case you won't because the story in XVI is unwashed ass
FF as a series peaked at FFXV. XVI was doomed from the start, boring story didn't help.
>>739863163Never played ToA but some of these are a bit of a strech>Salve breaks free with likeable rebellious leaderFF6>Ice queen girlfriend slowly opens upThey're childhood friends and she never needed to open up>Cid's kid helps the protagonistMidadol existed as Cid's son in FF5>political strige and ancient aliens, advanced lost technologyHas been a trope in FF since literally the first game>Plot segment to get a ship workingSame as above
>>739869215>boring story didn't help.Luckily XVI remedied that.
What's better 15 or 16?
>>739870463
>Action RPG with no RPG mechanics.
>>739859275Fuck my bussy
>>739862741>ecelebs! tell me how to feel about this game!
>>739859275I liked it enough but I don't like the hyperfocus on Clive. Like he's surrounded by all these characters but literally nobody else but him matters anyway. very shonen writing like DBZ and Naruto where the longer it goes the more other characters other than Goku and Naruto really don't matter. In fact, Clive and Naruto share so much in common.
>>739859275That's fine, it's allowed to be what it isMy beef is with how they royally fucked 7R
>>739872446Ironically Type-0 is the opposite of that. It tells a much edgier and more mature story than XVI, but it suffers from not having a proper main character to focus on.
>>739863018>Why?Sucked dick, man. The leveling system is retarded and the story sucked.
>>739873029nta, but yeah, I agree, a pretty janky leveling system Points for ambition, but imo it didn't stick the landing
I love it too. It's a great game held back by stupid decisions : no overworld, no big town, weak trash mob variety, 2 skills per Eikon, lack of animations/dynamic camera during dialogues
>>73987046316, you play as a badass straight white male instead of 4 homosexuals
>>739859275>>739860571Boring combat with damage sponge enemies and no elemental weaknesses + forgettable feth quests
>>739873604>damage sponge enemiespeople who say this are shit at the game
>>739873604There's a good reason why real FF fans hate XVI. Admitting you like XVI is the same as admitting you're a braindead retard who rejects the depth of rpg mechanics
>>73987046316 and it's not even closethe game is good. Not great, not incredible, but clearly not as bad as retards make it up to be. And definitely better than any FF post 9
>>739873774>nooooo you can't like y if you liked xff16 haters are pathetic
>>739873774my top 3 FFs are IV, V and IX, and I loved XVI. Now what?
>>739873774name one FF game that's not 10 where any of this matters
>>739873604>damage spongeyou are bad at the game
>>739873774the depth of rpg mechanics in question :
>>739873712>>739873936Post a webm with you killing enemies fast
>>739873774Not even hardcore DMC fags force themselves to like DMC2 just because it's part of the franchise in name. No Yoko Taro fag forces themselves to love Drakengard 2 because it carries the name. It's the same with FF16.It's not a real FF and it never will be.
>>739859275>I loved it. Fuck you.dont worry dude, you shouldnt give a fuck what retarded/v thinks.they just mad that they are bad at real time combat.they hating on newer ff games just because its not turned based or fully atb./v is still the most retarded place for opinions. just ignore those moronsh ere.as soon a final fantasy game will give them turned based combat system, they will praise is like candy, if the rest sucks, they will not care.
>>739874006Don't have one on hand but you can watch youtube videos showing you how it's done. As long as you combo enemies with magic burst, charged magic, aerial attacks and lunge/downthrust and Torgal they'll melt. But something tells me you're one of those retards spamming square while waiting for cooldowns
>>739864746>XVI>worstnot when XIII exists
Oh, he's mad now he's gone back to samefagging again. Yoshipiss cult is so pathetic.
>>739873850> And definitely better than any FF post 9
>>739874103XVI is absolutely worse than XIII, XIII at least has some interesting progression and gameplay customization to keep my interest enough to finish it. I dropped XVI before I even got to the half way point it's so fucking boring.
>>739874102What you just described seems too long SO the game does have damage sponge enemies
>>739874154it takes 10 seconds to execute this full combo which kills/stagger most enemies so you can finish them off with eikon abilities if needed, you're just retarded.
>>739873901>IVMy nigga. Sometimes simple is better. Loved the story and the characters.
>>739873969Or>Grind the same bullshit for 10 hours to one shot every boss
>>739874146DOGSHIT opinion. Kill yourself, low IQ retard.
>>739874451>seething ad hominum and not even a hint of an argumentcope
I'm going to play through the game again when i'm on vacation, with ultimaniac settings for the base game. Can't wait
>>739873712>>739873936>>739874048You literally just spam the 1 optimal combo over and over while waiting for your special moves to cooldown so you can cycle through them. That's it for the entire fucking game, zero change, and it's piss easy. Even doing the S rank hunts as soon as they appear halfway through the game isn't challenging whatsoever on the hardest difficulty.The fact that you even think someone could find this game hard at all shows you're colossal shitters, which explains why you think it's good.
>>739874451I agree with him only if he means the first game alone, but XIII as a trilogy is definitely far superior to XVI.
>>739874146Eat a dick revisionist. Both games have shit gameplay, but ff13 story and characters are shittier.
>>739874139I don't consider SoP to be mainline, but yeah I loved it as well more than any FF after 9
>>739874567XVI's story and characters are dog shit so XIII having some degree of progression and customization puts it a half step above XVI which doesn't even try this is also why it's the worst game in the series. Cope
Talking about FFI am playing Rebirth as Part 3 will probably be announced soon, I thought cool i'll finish Rebirth and wait a year for part 3.Holy fuck this game is big, too fucking big, padded to fucking shit. I am at mid-Junon i think now, played like 11 hours, admittedly doing things like the card game or shitty ass artifact quests. I get online to check a walkthrough and THIS SHIT IS THE START OF THE FUCKING GAME.I am liking the game but holy fuck is this even worth it, or should I switch to easy and rush the main story
>>739874593Is it worth it for the gameplay? Are the characters engaging? I kind of got spoiled on major parts of the story.
>>739874712No, the silly side content is unironically more fun than the main story.
>>739874768I refuse to believe this, the artifact quest in Junon which was doing the Fort minigame 4 fucking times the same fucking shit and running around random places just to, again, do this shitty ass fucking minigame made me want to fucking quit on the spot. Literally padding for the sake of it. It could have been>Go there>Do the minigame>Get artifactInstead its repeated 4x to blow up game length
>>739874765NTA but yes and yes also getting spoiled for SoP doesn't really ruin anything cause the story doesn't ever really try to hide things from you.
>>739874531>zero changemy brother in christ you can combo eikon abilities with Clive base moveset in so many different ways, leading to creative combos and player expression, you don't just "wait for your special moves to cooldown"No wonder people are fucking dogshit at the game if they think like this. Anyway, nice to see you Barry.
Agreed, definitely underrated. But Japs need to give the hardest difficulty option at the beginning. wtf are they thinking?
>>739874765the gameplay is good, even very good, but too easy to break the game. I had to play the DLCs without the Chaos gauge because it basically allows you to remain immortal forever and it becomes a mashfest. But without it bosses basically kill you in 2 hits so it's up to you.As for the characters/stories, can't talk for everyone but it felt very cringe and ridiculous at first and when I finished the game I was like "okay Jack is the greatest protag of all time" and I ended up really liking it. I guess it's not for everyone but somewhere down the road it just "clicks" and becomes great.The real issues with the game are the abysmal leveldesign/dungeon progression and the awful art direction.
Only retards bring up hard mode to defend this garbage, missing the point that this is not DMC. No higher difficulty should be locked behind new game+. DMC games get away with that because they are not 30 hour long games with shitty side content and massive amounts of cutscenes.
>>739874881>my brother in christ you can combo eikon abilities with Clive base moveset in so many different waysand they're all slower and worse than just doing the standard combo + spamming after cooldown
>>739874998>the gameplay is good, even very good,SoP came out first and it outshone everything FF16's combat has to offer, not to mention Rebirth came out not long after and corrected everything FF16 did wrong. You can't just call FF16's combat very good when you have these two games to compare. If you disagree, then you're either a retard or you didn't play them.
>>739875151I was talking about SoP, dumbass.I also liked XVI. I overall liked XVI more than SoP, but it doesnt mean I don't consider SoP's gameplay superior
>>739875103No they are not, and i know what i'm talking about.
>>739875207>No they are notyes, they objectively are
>>739874998>>739874830Alright maybe I'll check it out next time there's a sale.
>>739875191Then you're just a braindead retard like this>>739873774 Anon said. I bet you enjoy nuGoW slop too.
>>739874998Yeah unfortunately I think SoP has the weakest DLC TN has ever made.
>>739859275>I'm retardedGood for you buddy>>739860571I liked bringing random items to random NPCs. And it's telling that you never post old Jill because she only looks cute for 10 minutes in a flashback
>>739875207based anon>>739875296>waaaaah you can't like different things you must have the same tastes as meeeeeeebased retard. only played nuGoW 1 and only started having fun in the valkyries. Rest of the game was boring, sorry.everyone is based on this thread today, what a treat
>>739873029>TES style leveling is bad because... it just isSo you haven't played it and you're just parroting youtuber opinions, got it. Story wise it's much better than garbage like 5 which you have no problem with
If you like FF16 you should play swapslop gacha because the gameplay is exactly the same. And there's as many bloated cinematics. Except with gacha you get interesting sidequest chains once in a while and there's actual world exploration.
>>739875568Ironically this
>>739859275My dick loves Clive. He is so hot
>>739876164>9 in SOpinion discarded
>single player action game designed around cooldownsSomebody kick out the old farts at SE already because they are out of touch.
>>739875394>And it's telling that you never post old Jill because she only looks cute for 10 minutes in a flashback>Jill>Not cuteare you gay?
>>739876232I genuinely want to know who the fuck it is at SE that is obsessed with this blatantly and provably incorrect view that zoomers just want action games.
>>739876276Some consulting firm probably feeds them that narrative
>>739876204It's quite good
>>739876232It was designed by mmo devs who have made nothing but mmos. It's 100% your own fault if you expected some kind of creativity from those retards.
>>739876232The battle system is great, juggling between different cooldowns while pulling off stylish combos, the problem is barely any enemy is interesting to fight with this system, so it ends up not feeling good. Ultimaniac mode reflects how great it can be
>>739876398It's as flawed as 8 is but without any of the unique and interesting charm that makes 8 tolerable and worth playing. I'd say 9 is genuinely one of the worst games in the series because not only is it flawed but it's also really fucking boring in both gameplay and story.
>>739876409It's insane how E33 looks like the final fantasy game while FF16 looks like some action slop by Korea. The retards at SE are too braindead to break away from "FF must constantly evolve with these shitty button mashing action gameplay."
>>739876470>The battle system is greatlol no, it's poorman's DMC and mogged by basically every single character action game ever made.
>>739876470So many posts defend this dogshit game but not a single one posts a clip of its gameplay. Really makes you think, huh?
>>739876684that's like any game thread where people talk about gameplayyou can just youtube ff16 ultimaniac to see how cool it gets
>>739876645The anon defending it is either shitposting or hasn't played a single good action game in his life. But I guess there's no point in explaining he'll just call anyone who disagrees a hater anyway.
>mainline FF game>only one character Did they just run out of money or is FF17 being developed in the background? These are unsustainable
>>739859275Finally realize 4chan has Square Enix Derangement Syndrome?
>>739876775The main issue with 16 is that the gameplay it's trying to have does not even slightly mesh with Final Fantasy, the enemies do not feel fun to fight against cause they're all just Final Fantasy enemies and not ones designed for the combat like any DMC or NG is and the game's pacing and structure is still the exact same as any other Final Fantasy so you have an action game that are typically like 10-15 hours long at best but stretched out into 60 fucking hour game and the game gets old so fucking quickly. Seriously WHO THE FUCK OK'D THIS GAME?
>>739875428You didn't play FF2. Just because it's identical to SaGa and TES on the surface, doesn't mean it works the same as them.
>>739876263Probably not gay. My gay friend loves Jill both as a character and her design/looks.Maybe a tranny.
>>739876276Turn Based games can sell 5~10 million.Action games can sell 60 million.Square tries that and gets neither.
>>739862741Can you people even form an opinion on your own or do you always need a youtuber to tell you how to feel about a game?
>>739876972you're replying to Bazztek aka Barry, what do you think?
>>739876164>9 in SOpinion approved
Regular enemy >Cycle through skill, congrats you killed itBoss>Use regular combo and/or low CD skill and during stagger phase just dump every CD you have into it. Congrats, you can now kill bosses.
>>739865312Because you're not even making the effort to put yourself out there.
>>739876972How do you know he's not one of those e celebs sharing his own opinion?
>>739877064The real Barry uses twitter screencaps, like this.
>>739877112I think you mean>just get Leviathan from the DLC and shoot everyone until they die
>>739859275Fuck you, leather man!It's no dmc but I liked the combat in this game
>>739877112You can play DMC as a shitter as well.FF16 there are ways to use your high CD skills and have them just in time to finish the boss in their first stagger phase.But it feels even more like an MMO. The burst raid buff windows timing and stuff lmfao
>>739877324It removes DMC directionals, which permit a high skill ceiling but are prone to a lot of input error and trades them for button charging or double presses. It's a fine tradeoff.Cooldowns should've worked within some kind of gauge you build by using your Eikon power or magic burst combos but it is what it is.
>>739877184This guy made his brand on ragebaiting nu-FF fans. I admire people who expose themselves online to strangers just to garner hate.These fuckers probably try to doxx him all the time.
>>739877226I think you mean>Pulsing electric ball+>Bahamut Laser>>739877410I can play through DMC3 with more than the basic 3 hit combo because variations open up. Directionals are also not on CD in DMCNow if you want to get hyper autistic and play this MMO fantasy you dream of you can do this instead.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWf6GkTewTg
>>739877551Yeah I shot everyone while having that ball up and I did use the Bahamut laser (+ 3 other ultimates) on every stagger
>Here is your new shitty numbered Final Fantasy game. >Now wait 8 years for the next shitty Final Fantasy game :)Imagine being a fan of this franchise.
>>739877493If bait works, then it just means there was truth in his statement to begin with.
>>739877184Outside of the 1st point being a pretty weak argument since it's a meta criticism basically all of those points are completely 100% correct.
>>739877609Rebirth gives me hope that the next mainline one will be great but I don't blame anyone for losing faith after XV and XVI did irreparable damage to this franchise.
>>739877676I absolutely hate what Rebirth and Remake did to the FF story but I will admit outside of that it is really good.
>>739877676XIII and XV did irreparable damage to the franchise, no one cared about XVI.
mention a square enix game and watch the autistic schizo SE haters flock like a moth to a flame
>>739877753A single moth can't flock anywhere
>>739877551>>739877579I tried having Zantetsuken lv5 primed for the stagger, then used the electric ball + bahamut + the odin multihit that fills up zantetsuken fast.With two max Zantets + other ults during stagger, bosses just melt at once. That one Ultima multihit ult also hits very hard but your electric ball will probaby have vanished and the priority is to use it to refill Zantetsuken.Pair all of this with that extra stagger bonus damage accessory and everything is a cakewalk and dies in 2~3 minutes. The HP sponge complaint is just an early game thing.And you can use your high CD skills as openers and they will be back to be used during stagger while also melting their yellow bar so the stagger itself comes early.It's a pretty basic MMO 2minute burst rotation disguised as DMC. But you gotta get a lot of AP to master some skills and these optimal Eikons are only unlocked very late in the game, so it's something to be used during NG+ in Hard mode.
>>739877618Autistic obsessed fans are very defensive of their IP. That guy gets FF7 schizos in a meltdown.I enjoyed the new games for what they are but he has a lot of valid points. He just goes a little overboard because he's a content creator and needs engagement.
>>739877551>nooticed the button smashing in the icons
>>739878319Yea Lightning Rod + Dancing Steel is the actual play. Iirc with a specific lategame/NG+ equipment you don't even need the former to build Lv. 5.
>>739859275There is zero reason for this game and franchise to exist now that Crimson Desert is out. Koreans annhilated the japs at their own game.
>>739878393I just had 2 genji gloves (5%/10%) and the bonus damage Bit, maybe playing around those specific cooldown/damage accessories could be better damage.But that + popping a lionheart tonic was more than enough to finishg everything fast. Even in Kairos gate, although S-ranks demand a more methodical and slower play and you don't get items or accessories in there.Ultimaniac Mode is brutal in punishing mistakes but that setup also works well because it only depender on Eikons and cooldowns, no items or gear.
>>739878393Whoa, how does the Odin leviathan dlc accessory work? I never figured out its phrasing and was just too lazy to test it.
>>739860571It may well have the worst collection of sidequests I've ever had the misfortune of experiencing in my life.
>>739879447The MMO influence is really obvious there. It's like they just wanna tell the stories of these outposts but they're too lazy to think of gameplay so you have 5 different quests to fetch flowersThe one thing that annoyed me most about the game though is that exploration is completely pointless. What the fuck do you mean I went through these rocks to get that shiny pickup and it was literally 5 gil?
>>739859275Much better than rebirth remake XV XIII that’s for sure. Top 5 FF for sure too. Has obvious flaws, but the fact that it tells a good complete story with an amazing OST, a combat system that isnt emphasised at all by the starter difficulty, yet shines so nicely if you put the time in, it sort of makes up for the lack of character interaction and strange pacing/mmo like design. Many larper DMC “fans” like to shit on this game, but genuinely an asuras wrath/game of thrones/DMC esque game with FF4/5 like aesthetic is some of the most unique cool shit ever
Bait used to be believable
>>739859275 Barry may be a shitposter but he is right about this on. It's trash. I regretted buying it so much. It could've been good but the game was clearly released 3 years too early. After Cid dies they don't know what to do and just speedrun the plot, fill it with typical final fantasy bullshit "me vs god" that nobody likes
>>739879583There are the very odd and rare inconspicuous chest with an accessory, I think 1 or 2 contain weapons and 2 contain one vambrace and a belt each. And that's it.And you probably have better gear than these ones you find because if you're exploring to find them, you probably do side quests and crafted better gear.
>>739875207End game combo is just looping 6 mini timestop cutscenes so its very boring too, you don't know what you are talking about. That's what happen when both highest single damage attack is also a field nuke. 6 slots with fucking cool downs sucks for an action game. They should have just added a 9 slot mode that bans more than one super or something more creative ambitious by the end.
>>739883126>6 slotsanon...
>>739859275Why do people act like fucking baboons over this game whenever it gets brought up? It's not great but nowhere near the worst shit I've ever played
>>739883472As someone mentioned, /v/ has Square Enix Derangement Syndrome. Which is strange because I'm positive most are now zoomers that weren't even alive to be old enough to play the games that made Final Fantasy big (4 through 10).
FF16 is easily the worst FF game they ever made. >No party play>Shallow action combat>Redundent crafting system and a waste of resources>No incentive to explore besides getting a chest with 3 animal fangs in for the redundent crafting system>No status or elemental effectsI honestly think FF13 is better despite it being a linear game.
>>739884372>>No status or elemental effectsThat's an outdated model anyway. It was just a way for turn-based to implement rock-paper-scissors.In Rebirth it's a marginal way to cause more stagger and a little bit more damage. But since you can't change elemental properties of attacks on the fly, it's either trial and error or reload, no adjustment o skill involved.
>>739883472Because I've always longed for another western FF game like XII but with better combat system, massive map to explore, bigger party roster, job system, politically focused story, rideable airship. XVI felt like the closest to that at first glance, and to my surprise, it has none of this not one bit. And to add salt to the wound, it doubled down on what I hate about past recent FFs, making it even worse. There's a difference between a game that just disappoints and a game that outright feels like an insult for playing and I will not tolerate that. You may say that's just my personal opinion and yeah, sure I'm a retard for getting my hopes up on nuFF but I paid full price for this dogshit game, so I have every right to talk about why it's garbage. Whether anyone believes me or not that's not my problem.
>>739884570Yeah bro, just cast an ice magic against an ice monster. Im sure it will hurt it
>>739884680you are a retard for getting your hopes up for nuFF
>>739859275FF died with 12
>>739884570That rock-paper-scissors mechanic is what gives combat its depth. It lets players get creative, think strategically and take advantage of the system. It takes trial and error to find the best approach and that's where the fun comes from. Take all that away, and you're just left with an action game where only reflexes and memory matter. And at that point you might as well be playing Souls slop.
I gave the demo a chance but it was cutscene slop
>>739859275I liked it for the most part but it's deeply flawed. Main complaints being it's trivially easy, the side quests are an actual waste of time, and the spectacle peaking too early. Also a lot of wasted potential with characters like Jill.
>>739884997>take advantage of the system>hey, here's a fire monster, use ice!>oh you can't use ice because you equipped thunder! good luck reloading
Is this worth playing? Its on sale for about 20 bucks on PSN right now or about 30 bucks with the dlc.
>>739859275It sucked. Fuck you.
>>739860571Post more young Jill being breedable
>>739887395wait never mind the dlc edition one is not on sale anymore
YoshitPiss 16 is the worst FF.
>>739884814"Ice" doesn't mean anything. If a snowy region creature gets pierced by an ice stalagmite, it will get hurt from it.Same as acid can "burn" anything fiery if it's not a completely elemental form. And even then it's video game logic you should use "ice" or "water", why not "wind" to put off the fire?Elemental system is just a retarded cope. Any sysem with counters and effective moves is what counts.
mmo dev gives you mmo quality
>>739887560Fire melts ice. Water puts out fire. Earth puts out fire. How are elemental systems cope
>>739862971>They played it and that was it, never talked about the gameThat's all streaming, retard. People watch them for the new shit, not to ramble about what came years ago
>>739867924>Square is known for copying the absolute fuck out of vastly superior games Okay, but what does that have to do with Tales?
>>739859275Sick game, has flaws but was fun overall, shits on 15 hard but I still have no hope for Final Fantasy ever being consistently good ever again.
>>739887723At the current era, it's somewhat intuitive, but remember we had ice beat fire in some games without an individual water element.The thing is, what makes you think, is effective moves and counters, elemental whatever isn't needed. FF16 has neither.
>>739887962It depends. If a game leaves enough of an impression, there will be opportunities for them to talk about it again. Every streamer talks about FF10 at least more than once after they're done with the game, but never FF16.
I liked it enough to play 150h and grab all achievements on Steam.But I can't disagree with anons that found this title too weird for a mainline FF. Even after the weirdness of FF12/13/15?This series is too schizo now to have any kind of consensus within its playerbase. Be sure that by the time 17 ever releases, the 16 lovers will complain they went the Rebirth Action RPG route or even went back to Turn-based.FF in the old days said they tried to reinvent the wheel but at the end of the day things like ATB, Materia, Junction and CTB were all variations within a theme.
>>739873969heres the thing though. the storytelling was so good that you had no idea it would be this easy. most of you retards used potions and shit. dont fucking lie and say you didnt.all that matters is how the fight feels the first time you encounter it. everything after that is cringe
>>739883472I don't have much investment in Square or FF in general so I'm not in a position for it to see it as a betrayal to the series or having some bone to pick with Square that I can use this as a weapon against, but even so, I was pretty incredulous over how bad it was. It is just mediocre in many ways, but it's also so plainly derivative of other things that its consistently worse than in so many ways, it has this veneer where it seems like it's trying to appear 'soulful' and deep despite being anything but and it's so overwrought and tedious, especially if you do the sidequests, that there's plenty of time for the distaste for it to sink in and fester. I remember a point during one sidequest in the middle of the game where I just had an epiphany of disbelief listening to the bore that was the dialogue where the idea that any part of this or anything that preceded it was meant to be interesting or entertaining on any level felt like pure insanity. If it had a lot of those same mediocre qualities but I wasn't stuck thinking about them so long it probably would have just been forgettable instead of making me be outright insulted by it.
>>739891826It's funny because I'm pretty sure you're gonna lose to rufus just playing like that at the level Cloud has around 488HP.And the webm. has no Darkstar, so it may already have been set up for comedic purposes of "autoattack to win".That isn't a particularly hard battle, though. And FF7 isn't a particularly difficult jrpg or anything like that. Some of the hard bosses like that robot or the Shinra manor optional boss are one of the handful of bosses very casual players could find difficult. And the notorious Demon Wall, of course.
>>739892175Yeah. Sidequests in FF16 are very, very dull. I really enjoyed the game in my FF Mode NG+ run because I just skipped every skippable cutscene and just had fun with the barebones combat.Not all are as bad as this final fantasy, but unfortunately JRPGs still have the worst side quests in this new era of "quests with journal markers" of video game.Way back when side quests were just unmarked optional and not common side activities in games, they did fine.
>>739891749Weird isn't the right word, it's an insult. Old FF always experimented with new things to innovate the gameplay but XVI doesn't do that. They straight up admitted they dropped the RPG elements on purpose just to bait a modern audience, because apparently they thought FF was too complicated for newcomers. That's not innovation, it's regression with cheap marketing. XVI is an AAA experiment to see how much you can bait people into buying a braindead mainline FF game and I'd say they succeeded. Just look at this thread and how many retards are still defending this garbage.
>>739892301I think XVI is an outlier as bad sidequests go. I played SMTV:V and Unicorn Overlord not long after XVI, as other new RPGs go, and I remember thinking constantly about how their sidequests blew XVI out of the water. Especially Unicorn Overlord, which stood out in particular because it puts its fetch quests into their own little category obviously realizing they shouldn't be held on the same level as more expansive sidequests. What in Unicorn Overlord would be a short-and-sweet thing you do on the side as you're doing other stuff would in XVI be a dedicated sidequest with boring dialogue and attention drawn to it despite the actual content of it being carrying some wooden planks across the hub.
>>739891749People will complain even if 17 is just 16's combat with any of the shit people asked for from it, they'll probably also complain if they ape modern Trails togglable action/turn-based combat too. People complaining about how the game works is par for the course because SE will refuse to just modernize any old system consistently
>>739892576Spending years building up an audience, only to abandon them for a perceived "broader" one will always be the most retarded thing modern corporations ever do. You are actively destroying the foundation of your business.
>>739859275I liked it too, but it's a mid game. It has some good stuff but even more flaws.
>remove 80% of side quests, use the spare time to flesh out the main cast, give Jill more screen time in general>remove regional leader subplots or heavily alter then so they no longer feel like a shitty filler>remove Torgal from dpad, give him a contextual button press akin to Exceed, use dpad so you could switch between 4 eikons freely>each eikon can now use all skills + ultimate at once>remove cooldowns, replace them with FF7r ATB instead>completely overhaul the itemization and make it as impactful as DLC items, give Clive more charm slots as the game progresses so he has access to more and more customization, tie some powerful game altering abilities to weapons>rewrite the last third of the story, instead of wasting Anabella, turn her into a central villain who was secretly on a power trip to get the power of Ancients as she fucks and sucks her way through Marika style, until she eventually gains control over it and becomes FF12 Ultima Honestly that's not a big list of fixes compared to what would be needed to turn 13 and 15 into good games.
>>739892576I think more people need to understand the problem is that XVI is built entirely on course correction from XV, but only as an "accessible story driven action game", not a Final Fantasy title or a JRPG, and the parts of it that work under those contexts are almost coincidental or afterthoughts from it being conceived in a boardroom setting
>>739892850Well, I can tell you that most of that modern audience didn't care enough to come back and buy the DLC. I still remember when XVI's DLC came out there was absolutely no hype at all. It just quietly released, then quietly canceled any updates that were planned and moved on. This is why you should never betray your old audience
>>739893136The people who made FF what it was are no longer there. I don't mean in the sense that particular people are gone(while that is true), I mean in the sense that their mindsets and attitudes about FF are completely different.
>>739893136You can't blame XV for XVI being so lackluster. XV's main problem besides the story was its janky combat but it still had plenty of content and exploration to make up for it, and they even added playable characters and more through free updates. Just because XVI's combat is a bit better doesn't mean it's okay to ditch everything XV actually got right.XVI doesn't build anything upon XV, Rebirth does.
>>739893573>, and they even added playable characters and more through free updatesBro that shit is not and never should have been acceptablewhat kind of retarded RPG add playable party members years after the fact
>>73987046316 is coherent at least, 15 is just utter nonsense the whole way through
I carry nothing but contempt in my heart for anyone who'd play FF14, 15 or 16 and go "yeah, that was absolutely on par with 6, 7, 8 or 9."
You know the weirdest shit? Square could always make these games as spin-offs.They did FF USA, FF Legends and others.Even games that anons love and also hate like SoP aren't that contentious because it's a FF Origin title or whatever.Is it just because old good, new bad? Not exactly. Even if it's fucking beer, if you change a formula that a lot of costumers enjoyed for years, there is the slim chance the new change will not be enjoyed by those with tastes tailored to the old version.You release it as a new, side flavor or whatever it is. There is the very slim chance the new formula is universally loved, but as a decision maker in a big company I wouldn't bet millions of dollars and years of development in a risk like that.
>>739893803>Square could always make these games as spin-offs.They could, but then they sell less
>>739870463They're so different it's hard to answer that. See how that is a problem? All they share is the name Final Fantasy and being a mainline title.How could I tell you which one is better without knowing your particular tastes for vydia?I'm pretty neutral towards FF15, but on release both FF15 and MGS5 were so disappointing to me that I stopped hyping new video game releases.I didn't care about FF16 at all so anything good or bad it did was a decent surprise for me. Low expectations.
>>739893663XV's party members were planned all the way back in Versus XIII but the game was so rushed they didn't have time to make them work. So they just focused everything on Noctis and promised to add the party members back later. Here's the ironic part, XVI launched with the same lack of party members as XV did at launch. They said they'd think about adding them if the game sold well and we never heard about it again. What do you make of that?
>>739893916Would you rather sell a spin-off title for a little bit less or slowly dillute your main series' fanbase and sell less overall after all?I do think 7 Rebirth is a better game than 16 if we don't consider the retarded plot changes (just gameplay), but it ultimately sold less.
>>739859275For what it was, I agree. Same with 15.
>>73987046316 and it's not even close. 15 is a frankensein's monster. 16 is a misguided but finished product. If 16 got as much post-release attention as 15 needed to be fixed into a semi playable state, it would be one of the best mainline games at this point.
>>739884372type 0 is better they tried the hub system of monster hunter and I think they had something going to bad they didn't apply that.
>>739873325Clive got raped by his gay masters when he was a slave.
>>739870463The one with multiple playable characters, different weapons, magic, crafting, minigames, elemental systems.Is also the better game.
>>739894803There isn't a crafting system in XV unless you're talking about the multiplayer.
>>739895109Why doesn't 16 have a multiplayer despite being made by MMO faggots?
>>739869874It isn't that SOME of those things can also be cliches from other games.It's that all of them are present in the exact same order, at the same places in the plot.
>>739869874>Orange, red and greenBig deal, they're colors.>Place them in order: Orange, Red, Green, Green, Red, Orange, Red, Red Red...>Someone right after you: Orange, Red, Green, Green, Red, Orange, Red, Red Red...You: Pure coincidence, they're just colors, there's bound to be similarities, there's no evidence one person copied the other, they just happen to be in the same order for no reason.
>>739859275I fucked it. Love you.
>>739860571too bad they didn't do more with here character unfortunately everything is about Clive as he is the only playable one
A rollercoaster ride until Bahamut, then Odin and Ultima just have basic bitch stages and boss battles.What the fuck happened.
never trusting "creative" business unit 3 again. I regret buying this shit on launch
>what if asuras wrath was 99% filler
dion is a based homo
>not a good action game>not a good rpg>not a good movie gameWho is this for?
>>739896767People who worship brands like Final Fantasy and refuse to play other kinds of games.
>>739896767Doesn't need to be good, only needs a fuckhuge marketing budget.As for the actual answer? It's for the producers to jerk themselves off.
