Although shit, it's actually better than both Sonic Adventure 2 and Heroes. It's like the absolute pinnacle of 4/10.
>>739881034all of those 3D Sonic games are similarly awful. The only way they're worse than each other is if they have more awful unskippable cutscenes or long loading times.
>>739881034I don't know if it's better than SA2 or Heroes but it's definitely better than Shadow. It's fun in a kuso kind of way where you have to adapt to the game's fuckery as opposed to being outright miserable to play>>739881228You're retarded also Sonic Adventure 1 is based
>>739881446Only low IQ people who use the word "based" unironically like shitty 3D sonic games.
>>739881034>Sonic Adventure 2qrd? is it that much worse than 1?
>>739882396Yes, it resembles SA1 superficially but they redesigned all the different gameplay styles to be ass while also somehow making the controls, camera and level design 10x worse and full of repetitive switch hunting maze bullshit, bizarre collision glitches, and gotcha traps. SA1 isn't great but it's comfy while 2 is anti-comfy.
bait
>>739881034Bro, the game doesn't even function properly. What the hell are you smoking?
>>739885291And the other ones do?
>>739881034It has a SOVL that is undeniable IMO. It really is just the technical and structural mess of its implementation that made it a weak entry. Playing as the characters, even the shitty side-ones is passable for what it's worth. But having to wait on the loads between levels and hubs, and the way hub missions are made is not, so if you start playing the game like it was meant to be played, it becomes a real snoozefest.It was clearly supposed to have the same "flow" as Sonic Adventure 1, which instantly loads every hub instance after a short freeze-frame. But 06 freeze-frames for 2 seconds, then it loads forever, and then the town environments are oversized and flat, and Sonic can't even run fast or use momentum based physics to make it "fun" to go around these open environments.The map design in SA1 isn't anything remarkable, but it's charming, because Sonic Team literally took a tour around the world together and took pictures that they used for reference. I dont' think they took a trip to Venice the same way for 06, and it shows, because there's no soul in Soleanna town.It took me 3 playthroughs before I realized the central hub area has the same monument from the Opening Cutscene, and it just looks completely uninteresting in-game.
>>739885823Yes.
>>739881034bait 3/10
>>739881034What sort of bait is this? Do zoomers unironically think Sonic 06 was good or a hidden gem? I've seen some of them defending this game and it blows my fucking mind. I actually wanted to get this game when it first came out, but when 10 year old me saw the reviews, I never looked back at this turd ever again outside of looking at all the glitch/bug compilations.>>739885823Literally yes. Sonic 06 is not even a finished game and it has so many bugs that it's borderline unplayable. There are some bugs in SA2 and Heroes but they both are relatively finished and at worst, they're both okay (SA2 is a masterpiece but Heroes is more mixed but overall on the mediocre side of decent).
>>739887291So you admit to having not played the game, yet you still believe you're qualified to give an opinion on it.
>>739887641You don't have to play a game to have an opinion on it when you can just look at all the footage of all the bugs and other genuine issues this piece of shit has.You're basically saying you have to eat shit to know it tastes bad and bad for you.
>>739887895Equating eating shit to playing a video game. Yup, mentally deficient tendie confirmed (no need to deny that you are one, it is already evident from your defense of SA2 and your concession has been pre-accepted)
>>739888146SA2 is a Dreamcast, PC and Nintendo Gamecube game and Sonic Heroes was on the PS2, PC, Gamecube and the Xbox. The fact that you didn't know that shows that you are a retarded baiting zoomer.
This image is an understatement at this point.
>>739887641I've beaten the game three times in my life, as embarrassing as that is to admit. He's right, the game is dogshit, unfinished or not. You don't really need to play it to know this, but it helps you appreciate just how dogshit it can be, and its moments of "oh hey this isn't TOO bad actually", which are few and far between. Shadow's stages are actually kind of okay if you can tolerate the button mashing ""combat,"" because he's slower than Sonic and thus controls better, and doesn't have janky mach speed sections.It's not literally the worst game ever made, but it's sure as shit not a hidden gem, either. It's just a fascinating curiosity, historically speaking, as a Sonicfag. Nothing more, nothing less.And I love the game to death, but SA2 is by no stretch of the imagination a "masterpiece," lmfao, c'mon now, be serious.
>>739888380Stopped reading at the second sentence.Cry more fucking loser.
>>739888380>And I love the game to death, but SA2 is by no stretch of the imagination a "masterpiece," lmfao, c'mon now, be serious.Fair enough, but it's absolutely better than Sonic 06 along with pretty much every other Sonic game. I genuinely do not get why people die on the hill that the game that destroyed Sonic's reputation for at least a decade is actually good. SEGA wants to forget this game existed honestly and I don't blame them. Even if it's entertainingly bad, it's still bad.
Why are people trying to force this idea that this massive piece of shit had any redeeming qualities about it.
>>739881034i feel bad for the Project 06 people because even if you remake the game to have good controls, the story and design is still absolute garbageand the game's ending is literally "it never happened" it's like they were trying to make it as horrible as possible. The Last Story completely negates anything that happens as well, since Mephiles just "has" all the emeralds with him and Sonic is killed in a cutscenethey can also time travel at will but for some reason never do anything worthwhile with it
>>739885823Better than 06 does by miles, yes.
>>739881228FPBP
>>739886247Copying Final Fantasy is now "SOVL"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNoMI_Cx6YU
Did anyone notice that PS3 version has worse graphics than 360 version?
>>739887291>Literally yes. Sonic 06 is not even a finished game and it has so many bugs that it's borderline unplayable.The game is feature-complete and has literally everything they planned for it. The script leaked in 05 and other than a few name changes it was 1:1 the same plot as we got, and any mentions of "Desert" was not a hub area, and they were already using Magic Portals for the stages.The game WAS finished, but it wasn't very polished. But is Sonic Heroes polished? I don't think it was. The approach to not write Sonic's movement with proper physics or momentum is a simple failure of game direction, not the game being "unfinished".And with a few code-fix mods, the game even feels pretty polished.
I'd like someone in this thread to actually justify OP's stance about it being better than SA2 (OP is obviously baiting). I can't think of a single aspect that it does better. It plays worse, has worse level design, has no chao garden at all, looks worse, has a worse story, and is way more buggy. The only real talking point would be the OST and even that is highly subjective
>>739890301Oh my days....
>>739890301>And with a few code-fix mods, the game even feels pretty polished.nigger the story is a 1/10 and the levels are at best, 5/10you cannot go fast in this game unless it's a scripted eventthere are halfpipes that have massive amount of boost pads because Sonic will slow down massively before reaching the end of the segmentrail grinding is literally just grind in a straight line before reaching the next rail to homing attack, at least in Heroes they had you dodge shitflame core and aquatic base have literal copy/paste segments
>>739890752nta but the story is fine. obviously its not perfect but its not "indefensible dogshit" like sensationalizers like to pretend. the level design is not that bad and people have praised kingdom valley for years. the other stuff is indefensible yes because ST used an fps character controller for some reason. but once you learn the gameplay it can be fun in its own right.
>>739890301>The game WAS finishedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MWEHwvcnyMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5njB_3qTywThis game was released as a fucking alpha. It's nowhere near finished.>And with a few code-fix mods, the game even feels pretty polished.No shit it plays better when you fix the host of issues with the game. Let me guess, you're playing the remake/recomp that fixes all the problems and not the original Sonic 06 on PS3/360? Yeah, that looks fine. Not SA2 levels of good, but playable and enjoyable. The original Sonic 06 is genuine kusoge but in an entertaining at least.>>739890571The OST in Sonic 06 is inoffensive at worst. "His World" is good though but it's the only song in the OST that's on par with the lesser tracks in SA2>>739890752Don't forget that stupid animation where Sonic is flailing in the air while still moving forward whenever he collides with something in one of those scripted speed sections of the game.
>>739881034>better than both Sonic Adventure 2 and Heroesdo you have anything to back that up or are you just a contrarian faggot
>>739891104>the story is finethe beginning of the Last Story completely invalidates anything that happened except that Sonic and Elise now have a relationshipMephiles kills Sonic in a cutscene and just "has" all the chaos emeralds with him. Don't forget the ending which is "it literally never happened"Sonic and Elise have 0 chemistry and their story means absolute jack shitthe Hedgehogs can time travel at will (given that Sonic just chooses to go to the past before the ship crashes) but he can't go back in time to the point where Elise was kidnapped in the first placeBlaze just eats Iblis' because "her soul is alit with flames", she is not royalty since her origin is a retcon in this gameyou could go on for years about the plotholes and the retarded story even down to the scene of Elise kissing Sonic that made no fucking sense. Why did everyone die in the end of the world but them?
>>739888262Yes but it's exclusively tendies who worship a bad game to such a ridiculous extent. Fatherless behavior.
>>739888380>SA2 is by no stretch of the imagination a "masterpieceIt is compared to every other 3D Sonic.
>>739890752>nigger the story is a 1/10 and the levels are at best, 5/10The story's bigger moments actually have a bit of oomph to them, and they wouldnt've if it was actually bad like you say it is.I'm personally a sucker for the "Sonic is a fairy" stories (someone at Sonic Team actually said that btw) where Sonic's role is that of some type of magical being to another person, and enriches their life with realizing they have hope and opportunities, and then he's whisked away as the story closes, and they've found something that makes them happy.To me the whole Elise thing has less to do with "romance" as it has to do with the fact that she is a princess, which symbolizes her as an adult with responsibilities, but a feeling that this is holding her back from expressing herself (also the "don't cry" thing) and in going on this adventure with Sonic, she lets loose and learns she can be a princess, carry her duties out but not as a burden, but with happiness, because she was inspired by the optimism that is portrayed in Sonic.So in my view, this is one of the most satisfying narratives in the Sonic series bar none. I hold it above Sonic Heroes, Sonic Frontiers, Forces, Lost World, and give or take Shadow the Hedgehog. It's even better than Unleashed to me. Shadow is really disappointing narratively, because they're sort of whitewashing Shadow's legacy, and the story itself is so gimmicky with the branching level structure that none of the "who I am" theme really pays off. Meanwhile in 06, his ending made me go "hell yeah Shadow"Stories like SA1 and SA2 have their moments and hold up. Secret Rings is actually great if you overlook its cheaper animatic design, and Colors is great in how focused it is. Unleashed isn't bad, but honestly I don't think the "Sonic & Chip" stuff is good at all.
>>739891230>The OST in Sonic 06 is inoffensive at worst. "His World" is good though but it's the only song in the OST that's on par with the lesser tracks in SA2I know you think the Jun Senoue butt rock in SA1~Shadow The Hedgehog is great, but it isn't. 06's OST is pretty phenomenal though. Several level tracks have some real catchy tunes and great melodic motifs. I love Crisis City, Kingdom Valley and Radical train, and I love the different staging of the music as well. The sample orchestrated version of His World over Solaris Phase 2 is also really satisfying with its "and then... and then... and THEN" buildup, but honestly 06 deserves a full remake where they scrap and rebuild the hub environment, make the cutscenes less puppetlike, but keep the aesthetic grit of the game and make as much of it look like the opening cinematic as possible, and then for the love of god, use a fully orchestrated OST anywhere you hear strings, because a lot of it was synthesized.
Just wanted to say that anyone who played through any Sonic game with English VAs, well, you didn’t beat the game Sonic 06 for all its faults has a particularly good performance in Japanese (and SA2 has probably the worst one, shitty audio mixing everywhere, random cutouts and phoned in delivery)
>>739890752>nigger the story is a 1/10Not even a sentence in and the post is already redditfaggot-slop.
>>739881034Anyone who shit talks Heroes has a skill issue.This has never not been the case.>>739893671P06 isn't 06
>>739894048sa1 has the worst japanese voice track what
>>739881034>Speed wont be enough this timeWhen was it ever enough?
>>739888374Calling sonic 06 mediocre is just not accurate, you clearly havent played it.Sonic forces is mediocre. Sonic 06 is a game of extremes, it is both a very soulful, beautiful game with suprisingly good level design and nightmare levels of unfinished jank, horrible controls and bizzare story beats. It's all over the place and very worth playing out of curiousity if you emulate it to cut down on all the horrible loading times.
>>739893819Sonic 06's music is extremely generic and unmemorable. No one can remember anything from Sonic 06 BUT the main theme. Everyone knows and loves the soundtracks of SA1 and SA2 (minus Big's theme) because they actually went out of there way to properly theme the music to the environments and not try and make a movie soundtrack.
>>73989684106's music is tailored to the environment though. And SA2's music is tailored to the character you're playing and not the environment.I think 06's music is simply too White for you and your mongoloid brain can't process it's beauty
>>739896841>t. listens to robot nigger babble
>>739881034>>739881228>there are "humans" defending '06this is a dark timeline, please just nuke the earth.
>>739881034The big problem with '06 is the bugs.We've all seen let's plays and glitch compilations of this shit. Remember how everyone goes through that loop in the first stage? Well turns out it's for a reason as it's actually easier to glitch through the loop than use it properly.And that's the issue. The glitches are abundant and consistent. The softlock in the Silver boss fight? Also ridiculously easy to trigger. As are all the issues with Silvers powers when playing as him.You have to know how to work around these bugs to avoid them, and that makes for a tremendously shit game.
itt: trannies who never played 06 claiming its shit because some youtube tranny they watched said it was le bad 100 years ago
>>739894701Okay, but THIS is not P-06 (be impressed)
>>739881034>Better presentation than any of the 2020's Sonic games>Better voice acting than any of the 2020's Sonic gamesThe bar is officially in hell and how have we fallen so far that this game genuinely feels more soulful in comparison? Sonic hasn't been Sonic since post 2009 and it's actually embarrassing. Imagine being mogged by fucking Pac-Man or Mega Man in the current day in terms of actually being true to your artistic intent and having a better production value.
>>739897725It has Amy like she's supposed to be. That's enough for me.
It's as good as Heroes, and better than everything since
>>739896841>No one can remember anything from Sonic 06 BUT the main theme.That's not true, people know that one that just copied Flashman's stage theme.
>>739887641>>739890301No amount of P06 dicksucking will ever make Sonic 06 actually good: the sooner everyone understands that, the better.
>>739899190Sonic 06 has a lot of very good qualities, you havent played it lol.
>>739897780Amy is getting cucked during this entire game and she's still being treated with more respect than nowadays
>>739899836Doesn’t help that Lisa Ortiz was her best VA while Cindy Robinson went from sounding like Minnie Mouse to a literal Grandma over the course of 15 years.We had the GOAT and she got replaced with fucking coal.
Sonic 06 was the game that snapped me out of being a Sonicfag and no amount of my childhood adoration of the franchise could cope with the illusion shattering disaster of an experience it was.>t. preordered and bought day 1
>>739881034No it isn't.
>>739899836Someone didn't choose Amy in the Trial of Love.
>>739901381Funny, Forces was that for me.
>>739899190I'm sorry that I enjoy playing this.
>>739901381Kind of funny, i always hated sonicfags as a kid, but i played sonic 06 recently in my adult years and found it very enjoyable. Very bad, but still enjoyable. Nothing beats 3&k or mania though.
>>739901723I used to hate Advance 2 and dick suck Advance 1.Now Advance 1 is clunky and slow while Advance 2 is what should be the basis for all 2D Sonic games. And the decomp with widescreen and the drop dash isn't even out!
>>739900030Cindy Robinson is still a goated VA. She's just a... TERRIBLE Amy, and that's the modern casting in a nutshell. They struck right by casting Travis Willingham to replace Dan Green though, but now that the modern cast is getting slowly replaced, I wish they would stop finding sound-alikes, and go back to Knuckles sounding like "just a man" because his new VA sounds like a guy trying to sound like Travis Willingham instead of trying to sound like Knuckles, if that makes sense. I also don't want Sonic to get a nigga VA just because the guy from Prime (who actually WOULD have been the new Sonic since Frontiers, but RCS revolted against Sega and won) just because he superficially sounds like RCS.To be honest, I think that situation had more to do with RCS's white pride than Sonic, now that I think about it. Imagine getting a phone call saying you're not reprising your voice role because a ginner has replaced you.
>>739901987Yeah I don't know. I don't want black creatures anywhere near Sonic either, but I also can't stand RCS as Sonic.He's a fine actor, but his voice doesn't fit him and he has voiced him ever since the scripts went to shit with Colors. I want a high-energy, confident, brave, playful Sonic like in Heroes.I likewise want a threatening Eggman and not old grampa pollock dragging his feet reading ian's retcon list and being a gay single dad.
>>739891673>her origin is a retcon in this gameNo it isn't.
>>739891104>the story is fineNice try memphishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2z0hmzLlIs
>>739902217>Yeah I don't know. I don't want black creatures anywhere near Sonic either, but I also can't stand RCS as Sonic.I think he's been great, but he's no Ryan Drummond or Jason Griffith. Griffith got his share of hate because he wasn't the "original voice of game Sonic" but honestly even in the games where he's "bad" he was pretty all right. The dubbing in 06 screams "DUBBED" with voice direction that rivals Metal Gear Solid 3 in how bad it is, but it's not really "bad" in the end. It's completely servicable and the actors delivered their lines professionally, and I really like Griffith's voice for Sonic. He sounds a little bit like Sean Schemmel as Goku, and his voice simultaneously sounds strange enough, that it really fits this cartoony character. But I like how he made Sonic sound like "a guy".
