When a game is designed well, it's geared towards a specific audience in terms of difficulty. This takes the form of attack patterns, AI, items, save points, and anti-frustration measures. Fangames and mods are made by and usually geared towards people more familiar with the game and tend to be harder to account for taste. What is a good balance between giving extra challenge to veteran players and not being frustratingly difficult, and how do you go about making extra challenge rewarding?
>>739906984>What is a good balance between giving extra challenge to veteran players and not being frustratingly difficult, and how do you go about making extra challenge rewarding?Honestly, the best answer is just making multiple difficulty options available at the start.Not a fangame, but people have been bugging FromSoft to add difficulty options to their games for ages now, and while those guys are annoying shits, they do have a point, because at least they'd be able to play their gimped version of the game without fucking up my challenge by just having FromSoft nerf the game to hell and back.I'm still pissed FromSoft nerfed Balteus and I will never not be pissed about that.
>>739906984>What is a good balance between giving extra challenge to veteran players and not being frustratingly difficult, and how do you go about making extra challenge rewarding?I think that the main story should be easy enough for most to get through, but still test the player more and more as the game progresses, gradually. I think the best way for this in RPGs at least is to have side content with big rewards that demand more out of the player's skill than the main quest. Like beefed up versions of bosses that were already beaten
>>739906984I think the original UT kinda handled this poorly, with the only real challenges of the game being present exclusively in the genocide route, and with there only being the two of them anyway.I'd have less to complain about if Toby actually went back and finished that hard mode, since that seems way better in terms of being a decent challenge, but that's never gonna happen, and I don't think I've seen any fangames ever try and recreate that for themselves.
>>739906984if this is the thread, glad to see it has a name now
>>739907990to answer your question, Unitale is a good example of hard but fair battles
>>739908064Gotta love a hard butt fair.
>>739908153My personal favourite Is "Your Battle", it has creative attack patterns that aren't just "300 blasters and bones"
>>739908246Ah, that one.I can respect that one, but I think one of the endings to it scared the shit out of me as a kid, if it's the one I'm thinking of.
Now that I think about it, why couldn't Chujin just absorb the blue soul and cross the barrier (he's a boss monster), then absorb 6 more souls and break the barrier while also becoming a god?What was the point of the serum?
>>739908538Probably to add more depth to his character, or Ashore wouldn't be happy about it
>>739908538I think it's said at one point that Chujin thought having seven souls still wouldn't be enough anyway, but maybe I'm misremembering.Besides, using the soul to cross the barrier and harvest more souls?That's cause an awful lot of property damage.
>>739908623God asriel carried Chara through the human world and was still overpowered by them despite not striking back (no pun intended)The scientist never stood a chance
Reposting the Reynault/Anon image, for anyone who missed it and wants to see it: https://files.catbox.moe/wu6s5k.png
>>739908950what the hell happened to his limbs
>>739908538>What was the point of the serum?You see, the point of the serum was-
>>739909093Did they ever explain why he was a boss monster in the first place?
>>739909040Misplaced them.
>>739909136I expected him to survive an explosion or somethingAs for your image, not a big fan of hmoma, would rather have Racter fuck him
>>739909116They barely even explain *how* he's a boss monster, just that he has "the boss monster gene", despite that almost certainly not being how boss monsters work to begin with, given that they don't have blood, or organs, or most anything that actual biological lifeforms have.I can appreciate the speculative evolution though, I guess.
I'm at a loss here on what to do with my game. I really do not care for bullet hells, and only tolerate the bullet hell mechanics in Undertale and Deltarune. I play those games almost entirely for the story and writing, and most of what I enjoy in the gameplay is the resource management side of things. And most of my engagement with the gameplay is done so to either minimize or mitigate the bullet dodging as much as possible.I genuinely hate doing the schizo bosses like Jevil, Gerson, or the Knight because of how much I dislike being forced to dodge difficult patterns.It seems like all my proposed solutions would just end up alienating all the other people who play Deltarune fangames, but if I don't implement them then I'd be working on a game that I hate playing.
Any cool combat mods?I saw an encounter randomized for UT that took shit from other mods as well. No UTY though but the first dummy battle had everyone included.https://x.com/MelonGod77e/status/2058249525899518294?s=20
>>739909216Don't care sharty.
>>739909331Huh?
>>739909230Damm, that's really a lazy plot device
>>739909243>It seems like all my proposed solutions would just end up alienating all the other people who play Deltarune fangames, but if I don't implement them then I'd be working on a game that I hate playing.Well, you could try and make both, to the best of your ability.A version of the game that caters to people who like how UTDR play, and a version that works the way *you* want it to above all else.Sometimes you can't address both problems at once, the best way to do it is to just make two versions.Or you can try and pull off the same miracle that Warren Spector did with Deus Ex, but that might be a longshot.
>>739908538I always thought Yellow implied Chujin's bloodline had nascent potential for boss monsterhood but needed the serum to unlock it. Otherwise none of it makes any fucking sense. Boss Chujin should have been able to go toe-to-toe with the dusty dancer and Kanako shouldn't have needed roids to become strong.But no, on reread it sounds like they were supposed to be Boss Monsters already. The whole Ketsukane plot is a dumpster fire. Hell, any normal monster that extracts a human soul is supposed to be able to fuse with it (that's why humans were scared of them in the first place) so it shouldn't even matter
>>739909350Obvious contrarianism with the "would rather have Racter fuck him", just the sharty acting up again.He also has some problem with hmofa too, which he's jibbered on about at length before.
>>739909553I don't know who are you talking about, I was the anon who was called a "sharty", I don't mind hfoma though
>>739909643Don't care, didn't ask.
This was for the librarby anon, reposted for anyone who wanted to see it:>Ceroba, having successfully harvested Clover's soul, descends into the True Lab, ready to finally fulfill Chujin's legacy after so long>The layout is unfamiliar to her, having never seen this area of the lab before, but it doesn't take long before she finds her daughter's body, being able to sense her lifeforce >Ceroba sees Kanako, laying motionless in a bed, along with a dozen or so other monsters, like just another test subject>Ceroba briefly wells up with rage, before she gets control of herself>After all, did she treat her daughter any better? She's the reason she's down here to begin with, isn't she?>But after all this time, she's here to ensure her sacrifice wasn't in vain>Ceroba sets the soul container on the ground, removing the lid so she can begin the procedure, as based on Chujin's work>The soul slowly floats out of its prison, the fight having been beaten out of it not minutes ago>It lets out a weak pulse of energy as it lingers in the air, as if to give some indication that it has any life left at all>Ceroba feels the pulse pass over her, shuddering at the strange, electric feeling it gives her>Suddenly, before she can react, Kanako's body jolts upright, stiff as a board, and grabs the weakened soul, before stuffing it in her mouth seemingly without thought or hesitation>She holds it in her open maw, her tongue running over it as if to savor its girth>The soul pulses with energy again, seeming to wake Kanako from her mindless state, as she pushes the soul deeper into her mouth with her vulpine tongue, forcefully swallowing it with a visible bulge and glow in her throat>Her entire body begins to glow, then shine, with the same bright yellow as the soul she just devoured, indicating a successful subjugation and absorption of the soul of justice
>>739908782Two things wrong with this. The first is that Chara was actually in control carrying their own body into the human world, Asriel himself states as such.The second was when the humans attacked them, Chara was going to kill all of them, and could have easily done so, but Asriel resisted, which is what got them killed, another fact Asriel himself admitted.
>>739909784>Ceroba is shocked, having just witnessed her daughter return from the brink of death, while also effortlessly absorbing a human soul, albeit in an... unorthodox manner>She begins to speak, breaking the silence that had hung over the dark room up until that point>"K-Kanako... you're alive!", hugging her daughter as her eyes well up from joy>Kanako's thoughts however, seemed to be focused on something else>Her stomach growled as she spoke>"Hi mom... do you have anything else to eat? I feel like I haven't eaten in forever...">Ceroba was surprised at how relaxed Kanako seemed to be, but supposed she wouldn't have felt all the time that had passed if she'd been asleep all along down here in the lab>"Ah, of course dear, but right now we need to focus on finishing what your father started.">She presented an empty syringe to Kanako>"Now that you've absorbed the soul, this should be as easy as-">"No!", Kanako shouted, her eyes glowing with rage towards her mother>"I've been down here for so long, I'm hungry, and I want food NOW!">Ceroba backed away to give Kanako some space, after all, she had every right to be angry after what had happened the last time she used a syringe on her>"Kanako, please, calm down, I just need to finish this, we're so close to fulfilling your father's wishes!">Kanako rose out of her bed, power emanating off of her from the absorbed soul>"I don't care what daddy wanted, not until I get what I want!">Ceroba backed away even further, no longer considering herself safe in Kanako's presence>Kanako stared at her mother, trembling with concern and fear at her own livid daughter>She pondered how Ceroba was acting right now, trembling with fear and anxiety, cowering... like prey>Kanako had an idea
>>739909839>She bolted towards her mother, who just narrowly managed to avoid her now feral spawn>Ceroba was terrified, confused, and knew she couldn't take on Kanako like this, if she could even bear the thought of having to fight her child at all>As Kanako readied herself to lunge after Ceroba once more, Ceroba took the time to make a break for the elevator out of the lab, hoping to get Dr.Alphys's assistance in pacifying Kanako>She made her way through the darkness of the True Lab, avoiding Kanako's attempts at tackling her whenever she got too close>The elevator was in sight, its light being a beacon of hope in the otherwise oppressive facility>As Ceroba approached her salvation, she suddenly found her ankle locked in place, seemingly caught on thin air, causing her to stop dead in her tracks as she slammed into the ground with a painful thud>She looked towards her now-twisted ankle to see a magic restraint, much like her own>Kanako had caught up with her>"Hee hee hee, that was fun mommy! But I'm still hungry, so it's time for you to give me what I want!">She spoke with a sadistic glee, like a predator savoring the thrill of the hunt>Immobilized, Ceroba had no other choice than to try and appeal to her daughter, as crazed as she may be>"Kanako, please, we can get you as much food as you want once we're out of here, but we need to finish Chujin's plan!">Kanako wasn't listening anymore>She licked her lips as she approached her prey, listening to her mother's attempts at getting her to calm down, basking in how utterly helpless she was before her>Kanako grabbed Ceroba by the shoulders, gazing into her mother's terrified eyes, as her mouth began to open to an unnatural size
>>739909892>With but a moment of delay, she plunged her mother into her gaping maw head-first, taking satisfaction in her feeble kicks and screams as she tried to escape becoming her daughter's meal>Kanako focused all of her newfound strength at her throat, slowly forcing Ceroba down, not allowing her the slightest chance of escape, while drawing the process out as long as possible>Kanako watched as Ceroba's legs passed beyond the event horizon that was her mouth, and as her mother eventually settled in her now-bulging stomach>She sat on the jade green floor, brimming with satisfaction as she felt her prey squirming in its cramped, fleshy prison>Ceroba continued to make muffled cries to Kanako, begging for her life, as Kanako's stomach slowly disintegrated her body, providing Kanako with the meal she so greatly craved>"It's okay mommy, this won't take too long...", she said, further taunting her helpless mother, rubbing her bloated stomach at the same time>As time went by, Kanako's belly shrank, and Ceroba was nothing more than fat on her daughter's belly>Suddenly, Kanako felt a great pressure building from within, releasing a massive belch, with a lingering scent of her mother hanging in the air>She rose, pleased with her hunt, but her hunger far from satisfied>She looked towards the elevator to the main floor of the lab, and realized what that meant for her>"Hm, you weren't very tasty, mommy...">"Maybe I'll find someone better out there!">Kanako boarded the elevator, its doors closing, leaving the lab in darkness once again
>make thread for game design discussion>fetish content moves here>game design discussion stays in the other placeI'm understanding now why the goyim are treated with contempt.
>>739910051trying to make an existing discussion move threads is like trying to walk up a wall.
>>739910114It's worked before, people just chose not to this time.
>>739909784>>739909839>>739909892>>739909954???
>>739910051we are too focused on our autism clash to move it here
>>739910292It was pointed out how the fat Kanako thing never ventured into vore, despite that seeming like an obvious thing it could've gone into, and I said I'd do it if I felt I could do it justice even though I don't like vore, and the librarby anon told me to "do my worst", which made me wanna do it.So, it was for him, really.
>>739909243try looking around places for inspiration like abandoned buildings or arcades, to give you some gameplay ideas to interpret
>>739909815my bad I forgoteven then, what could he do? Throw explosive vials at them?
>>739909784>>739909839>>739909892>>739909954annnd reposted elsewhere. thanks for the rare service
>>739909494I can't make two entirely separate games. I can barely make the one.>Or you can try and pull off the same miracle that Warren Spector did with Deus ExAs far as I'm concerned that's the gold standard all RPGs should strive for, and its better to attempt it and fail than to not bother making their RPG choice based.
>>739910458What? How are those two things related at all?
ocs ranked from worst to best>queztali>cole>pastra>wiki>bedo>reynault>racter>val>zaer>cody>luzma
>>739910979Aren't Kanako, Martlet, and Ceroba technically also oc's.
>>739910779>I can't make two entirely separate games. I can barely make the one.Well, you're gonna have to reconcile this somehow, can't just throw in the towel.>As far as I'm concerned that's the gold standard all RPGs should strive for, and its better to attempt it and fail than to not bother making their RPG choice based.I agree.I think there is some kind of middle ground you can achieve here, but it's gonna take a lot of work and iteration to get there.Warren Spector himself said that Deus Ex didn't even work properly until just a month or so before launch, so getting everything to work together smoothly might take a while, and it might not come together until you're already nearing the point where you wanna have it released and done.I don't blame you for not having a good solution to this off the top of your head, it's a really tricky thing to manage.Best I can say is to do what you think is right, anon.
>>739910829exactly
>>739910979>reynault being exactly in the middlePerfect, no notes.
>>739911064I meant specifically from these threads>>739911241that's because he's fr*nch
>>739911064DRY kanako, melody, sadie and gizmo then
>>739911617three of these are form UTY
>>739911665The DRY version of all of them, do I have to write DRY in front of every name?
>>739911402Deltarune Yellow Kanako, when you think about it, is an oc from these threads.She's nothing like the Kanako from UTY, who barely has a personality.
>>739911215So you were just shitposting then, and didn't really have a point.
>>739911665To be fair, Melody, Sadie and Gizmo are pretty much OCs, they have very little going on for them in terms of personality in UTY, with Melody only sharing her soul trait and dislike for monsters from her Yellow counterpart
UT sex mods when
>>739911708they have the exact same designs>>739911790Isn't Melody a human? I don't remember her in the original game
>>739909839>No one pointed out that Ceroba was willing to inject Kanako again right after she woke upFunniest part of the green, she really hasn't learned anything
>>739911940>Isn't Melody a human? I don't remember her in the original gameShe's the blue soul human, you know, a very important plot point in UTY's pacifist story, she's even more of an OC than DRY!Kanako since at least Kanako had a design in Yellow
>>739912031Kanako seemed pretty upset about it if you ask me.
>>739912072oh, the one Axis killed I don't remember her well, probably because her tape was hidden behind Chujins grave
>>739910979>Naranja is both on the highest point and the lowest pointPerfectly balanced as all things should be.Also you forgot about Darkblade and Kitsy (The kitsunes from Oldentale) and Bradley (Human from Geltarune), and while Cody is funny whenever we mention him, he's not from these threads.
>>739911940>they have the exact same designsDoesn't make them the same characters unless you are rating them only on their apperance, if that was the case should have specified then
>>739911818There's Uddertale and Love Maniac
>>739912206I don't know much about them, their games aren't in a playable state yet unfortunately, and I only added Cody because the fangame was funny
>>739912219I'd included DRY characters but I haven't tried it yet
>>739912206is there a demo for naranja or does it only exist in peoples heads
>>739912457surprisingly it exists, but right now is just a short demo that represents about half of an area, it ends with a mini boss fighthttps://rentry.org/mtt-fangames
Why don't more fangames have complex moral choices like Deltatraveler?
>>739912302>their games aren't in a playable state yet unfortunatelyI mean, you did include other Oldentale characters on that list
>>739912572this fangame is the prime example of story first, fighting second
>>739912572Nothing's ever gonna beat the ME3 approach.
>>739912535I'm really hyped for this fangame because it has unique stuff and would be a shame to enter in devhell
>>739912639because that's the only ones I know Wiki's design is solid and actually resembles a goat unlike whatever the Dreemurs are supposed to be
>>739912646Actually its fights are pretty good, at least from Section 2 and beyond, they're just not talked about because they're normal and the writing is wild
>>739912572>>739912678I raise you this
>>739912776that's my problem with the writing, it tends to be over the top edgy, and the guy who was meant to be edgy was rectonned to feel bad for killing Suzy
>>739912825Alright, that's a good one.See, these are the sorts of moral decisions we need more of.
>>739912825Nobody besides Toby himself is brave enough to put rape in a UTDR fangame
>>739912878you should know that child murder is their limit, and there's a popular kid's franchise known for that
>>739912825>N: "h-huh kris whats going on?">ACT>SNOWRAPE
>>739912773so is the list based on design? or personality?>a goat unlike whatever the Dreemurs are supposed to beCenturies of inbreeding will result in that
>>739912978Ok, how do you go on in the next chapters? She won't be happy to see moss eater at the festival
>>739913005it's based on bothDespite Queztali being neat for being based on Aztec gods, she's insufferable, and Pastra's an unique species, she just has anger issues
>>739913030You know Noelle would enjoy that sort of thing
>>739910979Quetzali unbirthing Val
>>739909815You really want this to be another shouting match, don't you?>>739910596He's spouting his personal reading as indisputable fact again.
>>739909243twist the battle system into something you likelook at how cooking with kindness adapted the combat into a cooking gameyou could just make a unique soul with its unique gimmick and base the entire game around that
>>739913113>Despite Queztali being neat for being based on Aztec gods, she's insufferable,what the fuck you on about, she barely even has enough dialogue how is she insufferable?
>>739912572DELTATRAVELER is the perfect example of every single bad habit of the UTDR fandom outside of 4chan. People who made it have NONE of the sensibilities that make UT/DR so special, and all the bullshit to make it retarded. They lack the paideia to create a fulfilling story. It is nothing but a caricature of fanon bullshit.
>>739913410and everyone out of here praised it for it (mostly dumb kids that also made their own "sands undertell fight phase 1292498394" takes)
>>739907839But what if people aren't playing for the gameplay though? Say they don't like the difficulty and just want the story. You can't just watch a youtube video because game's stories are tied to interactivity, it has to be your choice to mean anything to you. So by doing things that way you lock a large portion of players out of the things they're playing the game to experience.
>>739913394it's the way she talks and how she treats Zaer like a simple hobo
So does anyone else here dislike the shmup side of Undertale and Deltarune's gameplay, or is it really just me?
>>739913669I find it inoffensive, why do you dislike it? just general dislike for shmups?I'm not a fan of bullet hells but even the hardest fights in UT/DR don't get near the levels of true shmups that I've tried
>>739913669Got a friend of mine who dislikes it, but he kinda just sucks at it, and also he has nerve damage in his fingers that stop him from being good at video games.I like it though, I find it really fun.
>>739907959The issue with hard mode is that its an entirely separate game he'd have to go back and make, after he's already finished the game and gotten all the rewards a dev could get out of it. He really has no motive to complete it, and people get very little out of it compared to the main game. Meanwhile it requires almost the same amount of effort.For fangame devs, just completing the main game is nigh impossible (just look at how many never even complete a demo), so post launch content is just a pipe dream as it creating a whole second game.
>>739913669I don't know what that means
>>739908538He thought that plan wouldn't work because humans are too strong. So he wanted to make an army of super monsters to use in addition to souls.
>>>/vrpg/3992483Just continuing this discussion from the other thread, but yes and no. Some of them seem to get popular on e6, while others don’t. Even that recent Starmooch pic, despite the comic style and rather provocative nature, didn’t seem to gather much attentionSame thing with that Martlet anon. They either get a lot of attention or don’t
>>739913669I greatly enjoy UT/DR's shmup gameplay, feels like an evolution of Mario & Luigi's dodging minigame.
>>739913842shmup stands for "shoot em up" which is the style of game where you control a tiny character dodging multiple bulletslike tyrian or 2hu
>>739913814Hm, I guess.Maybe you could take the easy way, and just make the harder difficulties mostly stat-based instead.That wouldn't be the most compelling way of handling it, but it would work, just a simple easy mode and a hard mode.Or you could add something like the skulls in Halo, that would be cool.
>>739913558nigga everything outside of 4chan is a circlejerk. It's what happens when you force namefagging. But this is by design, the algorithm forces the creation of what I call "autocults", FULLY AUTOMATED CULT CREATION, if everyone is a cult you know exactly what to sell to them, which is why even dogshit like DELTATRAVELER gets praised.
>>739913865You'd think he would've heard about the Story of Undertale and how Asriel could've destroyed every human if he wanted to.
>>739913878Don't drag that in here, I've been keeping an eye on that other thread, looks like a mess.
>>739913340Well the issue is that I'm stuck with the red soul for narrative reasons. I can't and won't change that. And I already had plot integral things involving soul modes planned that I'm also not changing.
>>739913906ohwell it's not a real challenge if you know the roots, except the roaring knight fight, fuck that guy
>>739914034I didn’t read the rest of those replies until now, yeah I’m just gonna ignore whatever samefagging thats going on (hopefully)
>>739913620She has the tism, let her talk about her hyper fixation>she treats Zaer like a simple hoboHe kind of is a simple hobo so far
>>739909540>Kanako shouldn't have needed roids to become strong.Well she wouldn't have if Chujin hadn't died, but with him dead she's lost her sole source of more soul, which is where her power comes from.
>>739914180You could always do the tried and true method of "protagonist finds an equipment really early on which the entire basis of the gameplay is built upon"So just make the protag find some item that then you can base/justify the game on and change the dodging gimmick, like maybe a tennis racket so you do it more pong like instead of pure dodging, or the trash can from the axis fight in UTY
>>739910979What's wrong with Wiki and Quetzali?
>>739914006I wouldn't really totally agree with this. Like yeah, to a more extreme degree circlejerking can happen outside of 4chan, but that really isn't a quality that's unique to 4chan, or even because of there being names associated with people.Like you can look at the TF2 threads on the Steam Forums, and the TF2 threads on /v/ from time to time, and really the only difference is that it's way more blatantly obvious that it's a circle jerk, and the level of mental illness that's on display on the steam forums.You know, since on the Steam Forums they have to run several alts instead of just going>Nuh uh if you think I'm at all circlejerking actually I'm 47 different people>That's right me, phone me also agrees with me that I'm several people and there's no bs going on
>>739911180These are nice words, but they aren't really helpful at all. Deus Ex didn't have to worry about tying its narrative into the gameplay like I do, nor did it have to keep track of a long, branching, and highly interactive narrative with plenty of variation between routes, and it didn't have to worry about inheriting a fanbase which seems to have the exact opposite likes and dislikes from the person making it.
>>739914404You find a GUN as soon as the game starts and by using magic that weapon can turn into other guns like a shotgun or an assault rifle, the shmup battle box is replaced with a FPS or rail shooter minigame
>>739912646The story is terrible though.
>>739914290he's more than that and I will feel bad for killing him at the inevitable Geno route
>>739912776Undertale Green is better because it owns the edge instead of trying to punish the player so it can feel better about itself.
>>739914408I already explained the snake, and Wiki is ok at best
>>739913030Noelle is very excited to see (you) tomorrow.
>>739914701that's the issue, it's like a playable version of those sprite comic AUs (cough cough Inverted Fate cough)
>>739913669I like shmups and find UTDR's raw gameplay, stripped of any fight-specific gimmicks, serviceable. The large hitbox relative to the bounding box of the fight space reduces the complexity of the patterns (without adding gimmicks) but it feels fine and is greatly helped when factoring in both fight gimmicks and the flavor brought by the text and visuals of the enemies you fight. I think fangames so often recycle the blue and yellow soul modes because they add a large, relatively non-gimmicky element to their fights and even add more on top; The Upper Hand adds a double jump to the blue soul, GG!Sans in Underfell gives the blue soul an 8-way airdash, Deltarune and UTY independently add charged shots to the yellow soul and UTY also has a dash with i-frames.I think UTDR can easily get away with fights that wouldn't be considered interesting in a pure shmup thanks to the theming and how patterns can have build up and payoffs with the dialogue preceding each attack. And then when the stops are finally pulled in a fight like Asgore, Zartlet, the Knight etc. that sudden difficulty spike combined with the tone shift does so much heavy lifting in getting the player engaged.
>>739912773Well here's the kitsune siblings
>>739915027that's a good one
>>739913117The truth is she's fantasized about being pinned down and raped for a long time (though it usually involved women on women) and she has a lot of repressed romantic feelings towards Kris, and she's a masochist with a fear fetish. That interaction scratched her brain in all the right ways.
>>739915008I still don't buy Zenith Martlet, for a final boss her design is mediocre at best
>>739913620Excuse me, she called him "The World's Strongest Hobo". That's a very prestigious tittle and also very accurate, as he is homeless and is really strong.
>>739915153well that's something ok from her
>>739912825waht game?
>>739912535>it existsawesome!>it's random catbox linksgod damn it. i'll run it anyway, but still
I've had that song stuck in my head so long now that I basically know it by heart.And so the goat's torment continues.
>>739914536Well, I tossed a suggestion your way in the other place, maybe that could help, at least as an idea.
>>739914480I agree some places on 4chan are circlejerky (/vg/ is fucking circlejerk central) but it isn't DESIGNED to be this way. Inversely shit like xitter and the likes are all fucking designed to just rot your brain through the algorithm. It's why there's this huge phenomenon of secondaries pretending to like shit like Silent Hill 2, OFF, Earthbound, Serial Experiments Lain, Monogatari, etc. They were shaped and taught by the algorithm to pretend to like shit because it's the only way to get "in" the specific autocult.
>>739915027Darkblade paws and implied Kitsy pawsI hope Kitsy has big, dangerous claws like her brother, they would contrast well with her design especially since her hands and feet are obscured by her dress in her one piece of concept art; it's like F.A.N.G from Street Fighter wearing those long sleeves that obscure his long, poison-covered hands.
>>739915251Aw man, I fucked up the size.
>>739915223>>it's random catbox links>god damn it. i'll run it anyway, but stillNote that the devs here recommend running the downloaded file through an antivirus every time they post a new update.
>>739915213black souls
>>739915485dork souls
>>739915119>for a final boss her design is mediocre at bestBecause Sans's design is exatly what comes to your mind when you think of a final boss
>>739913727I don't like the gameplay of it. Its too hard to keep track of all the bullets and dodge precisely, and its not hard in a fun way. I just avoid the rest of the genre altogether because it looks like a miserable experience. >>739913743>He also has nerve damageMan, playing on the level of the physically disabled, guess that's where I'm at now.>>739914182>>739913889>>739915008I suppose that is why I like Deltarune despite actively disliking the genre as a whole, but I still actively dislike the bullet hell portion of the game, and like the game despite it, rather than because of it, likely due to all the sweet coatings the game puts on the bullet hell (emphasis on the hell) to make it feel worth it. Still sometimes fails to accomplish that like with Gerson, The Knight, Jevil, or the Titan, but otherwise it does a great job of making me tolerate gameplay I would otherwise hate.All that said, it does seem it really is just me who dislikes the bullet hell part of Deltarune and Undertale.
>>739914028I assume he did and didn't believe that part of it.
>>739915563>Man, playing on the level of the physically disabled, guess that's where I'm at now.Hey, I also have various minor disabilities like that, and I'm great at video games.Truly, we can do anything we set our minds to.
>>739915535I don't get how she could transform into that big ass bird with zero fighting experience and strength realistically she'd turn into a menting mess
>>739913983I was thinking hitbox size might be an easy way to make the game harder without making a completely new game. Maybe also sprinkling in harder patterns here and there in existing fights.>Or you could add something like the skulls in Halo, that would be cooWhat's that?
>>739915672>I was thinking hitbox size might be an easy way to make the game harder without making a completely new game. Maybe also sprinkling in harder patterns here and there in existing fights.Not sure about that first one, but that second one, perfect, that's exactly what I wanna see.>What's that?Difficulty modifiers you enable before starting a level and that can't be turned off without quitting the level.Like the Iron skull (makes it so if you die you restart the level, or start back from a checkpoint if anyone dies in multiplayer), Thunderstorm (upgrades all the enemies to a higher level of themselves with different behaviors and weapons), Grunt Birthday Party (makes grunts explode into confetti with the sound of children cheering when you get a headshot, it doesn't make anything harder I just like it), etc.Stuff like that, little things that make the game harder without just being "enemies do more damage and take more damage to kill", it keeps things interesting, and I think that could work well with Oldentale, though obviously they'd have to be different modifiers for an RPG as opposed to a shooter.
>>739915670>I don't get how she could transform into that big ass bird with zero fighting experience and strengthShe's a royal guard, she has training experience, and of course she's much stronger than you average monster, if she weren't she wouldn't be a boss fight>realistically she'd turn into a menting messWe don't know what happens when a healthy monster is injected with raw DT, the amalgams used to be fallen down monsters, they miraculously recovered after the injection and remained like that for a while until they began to melt.
>>739914404>>739914584These would be fun, but I feel like the game would have to be designed and written from the start around that instead of pivoted to that later on. Plus you run into the issue of removing the "defining" trait of Undertale's gameplay.Basically everything I had planned was already written around making that bullet dodging something into something I would enjoy by adding additional mechanics, but now I find that that may trivialize the combat and remove the appeal for everyone that isn't me.
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>>739914886I think you can already kill him in that combat demo Naranja released over a year ago.
>>739915895hmm well yet again it's another lazy plot device, she'd just faced Clover head on with no mcguffin shit
>>739915935>Plus you run into the issue of removing the "defining" trait of Undertale's gameplay.Cooking with Kindness already did that, you could still add some bullet hell from time to time as a sort of gimmick.>but now I find that that may trivialize the combat and remove the appeal for everyone that isn't me.Look, as long as the game isn't even easier than Undertale I doubt most people would complain.
>>739915326Well do I have good news for you.
>>739916012also Undyne literally injects that shit before defending MK
>>739909784Please dont word it as being "for the librarby anon". At least spare me the dignity of people thinking im into that.At least just say its my fault this happened
>>739916012>hmm well yet again it's another lazy plot device, she'd just faced Clover head on with no mcguffin shitBy that point Clover had killed dozens of monsters and already beaten Martlet once, there would be no much point in fighting Clover again unless she got something that could make stronger.I will agree that the DT syringe is poorly implemented and it should have been Chujin's soul serum.
>>739915308I think we can all agree that the infinite scroll algae-rhythm was forged in the devil's workshop. If socmeds were like forums I think the Internet would be a better place for it. Instead of demanding every second of your time all the time.
>>739915350It's funny to imagine this is how souls talking works.
>>739915251For a second I thought this was Wiki and the soul in the Nanquest hotel
>>739916113there were other monsters that could do something about itSans faced Frisk without needing vials or shit while the literal royal guard had to take drugs
>>739916095>Please dont word it as being "for the librarby anon". At least spare me the dignity of people thinking im into that.Oh, my bad.Really it was more like it was done on request at your own word than anything else.Yes, much better.>At least just say its my fault this happenedYou go knocking on enough doors asking to see the devil, eventually he'll answer.
>>739916134ex fucking actly. Bottom line is that normiefication ruins everything, because normies are such soulless subhumans, eventually people who sell their product will make it appeal to low-hanging fruit
>>739916226>there were other monsters that could do something about itSans faced Frisk without needing vials or shit while the literal royal guard had to take drugsSans is an special case since he can just break the rules of the game at will, no one other monster could take down a LV19 human, at that point they become unstoppable, even Undyne, already being among the strongest monsters and after getting an anime powerup, was still weak compared to a LV9 human
>>739915650I actually do suspect my terrible shmup skills may be due to ADHD. I can't drive for similar reason, I simply can't keep track of operating my own car and all the other cars on the road at the same time. I can't keep track of the soul and all the bullets either. Plus it has the added effect of making me genuinely not want to set my mind to unfulfilling things like getting good at a game I suck at. My brain just starts screaming at me about how this is work and not fun and I should be doing literally anything else.
>>739916134A bigger issue I think is that the format for twitter sucks, the userbase is garbage too, and this carried over to bluesky and all the various not-twitters that exist now.
>>739916220I don't think I'd be much help to her in the hotel like that, seems a bit beyond my expertise.Best I can do is annoy the fuck out of her with random songs I got stuck in my head.
>>739915893>Not sure about that first oneUndertale has really forgiving hitboxes. If you wanted to make the game hard, you could just make the hitboxes on bullets the same size as the sprite. Would make dodging harder.
Today I will remind them
>>739915895Chujin specifically singled her out for being a prime candidate for serum testing. So she's not just a healthy monster, but physically different from other monsters in some way that makes her compatible with super serums.
>>739916063No she doesn't. She's just built different.
>>739916510Why did they make him George Droyd?
Most faved image on e6 featuring Kanako and Clover from these threads.https://files.catbox.moe/0hst74.pngMost faved image on e6 featuring Ceroba from these threads.https://files.catbox.moe/zs61k0.pngMost faved image on e6 featuring Martlet from these threads.https://files.catbox.moe/7aisdo.pngMost faved image on e6 featuring Zenith Martlet from these threads.https://files.catbox.moe/xe05o5.png
>>739916696Chujin was working on the ningenlink technology before dying to soulcancer
>>739916696something something master and slavealso the delta thread got axed and I think we're next
>>739916464Hm, maybe.But anyway, you get my point, letting people make their own difficulty through modifiers and such is probably the best solution.As long as it's *before* the game actually starts, not something you do mid-game.Like, just do something like [picrel], that'll give people the ability to make the game as difficult as they want, or even easier if they want it to be.Everyone's happy, at least somewhat.Specific modifiers like the skulls would still be cool though, but for general difficulty, this should cover it.
>>739916730Will that mysterious anon that dropped the best Kanaclover comic ever return?
These trolling attempts get sadder and sadder each time.
>>739916826Maybe, maybe not, at least they left us with a quality set of Kanaclover images.
>>739916983???
>>739916510Can't wait to see human versions of the fangame characters drawn in the most unappealing artstyle imaginable
>>739916772Ningenlink technology and DT-reactors.
>>739909954Now that there's a vore green for UTY, this would be a good opportunity to write more ideas for greens that are "edgy" like vore On that topic I always thought Zenith Mooch had a design that was literally built for something vore related, anyone who's seen sig's drawing knows what I mean
>>739916983No trolling behaviour has happened yet, stop trying to stir something up.
>>739916783I really dislike in depth slider screens that modify difficulty like this. It adds too much complexity to the wrong places in a game. I prefer simple Easy, Medium, Hard. Anything more and it feels like the dev is telling the player "Don't like it? Well balance the game yourself if you know so much about balancing."
>>739916263>You go knocking on enough doors asking to see the devil, eventually he'll answer.On one hand I feel like I shouldnt discourage writing, even if its something terrifying to me, and then on the other hand I thought my response was a humorous way to state my fear at what was surely inevitable.Instead I damned us all!I'll get it on the shadow librarby when im back to my computer later this weekend, but one day I hope I inspire something nice and sweet into existence.Have a recently found starlo image
>>739917023Could this be the artist?https://www.furaffinity.net/user/papilrux/
>>739917118macro involving the zenith serum
>>739915563>Its too hard to keep track of all the bullets and dodge preciselyYou wouldn't like some of Toby's inspirations
>>739917118A green based on the unbirthing stuff, but Clover's soul goes up the wrong hole instead and gets digested in Zartlet's stomach.Only to come out again, a few hours later.
>>739917118>Zenith MoochHow big is this creature? I can't post an NSFW image on /v/ unfortunately, but you can see in one of sig's pics she's holding Asgore's crown between her fingers. And she's MASSIVE next to Zenith Martlet, so how big does that make her?
>>739917251No shit, that's why I dislike the genre so much.
>>739917201>"Don't like it? Well balance the game yourself if you know so much about balancing."As someone who's felt that way before, yes, exactly.That's what I want.Like, when I played Nine Sols, I found the game to be piss easy past a certain point, and I was disappointed to find that the game didn't have any harder difficulty options, only a variable easier mode.So, I went and found a mod that lets me invert the variables the game lets you play around with to make the game easier, to make the game *harder* for myself, and I fucking loved it.I'm telling you, it works great, being able to make the game as hard as I want, without infringing on anyone else's ability to play the game, is literally the best possible solution here, everyone wins.
>>739912535this is unbelievably soulful
>>739917238>https://www.furaffinity.net/user/papilrux/lightning doesnt look the same
>>739917204>but one day I hope I inspire something nice and sweet into existence.I want you to know that I thought of something even worse while I was working on that green.I almost certainly won't make that one, because it's the closest thing I've felt to actual evil in a very long time now, but I just thought you should know.You have inspired more than you know.
>>739914480Shut up, faggatron.
>>739917314So Zenith Martlet essentially ends up doing this to Clover.https://files.catbox.moe/iucwln.png
>>739917201you see to interpret the most minor of things as personal attacks
I'm so happy I found you! Now, how about we discuss the only good boss in Yellow?
>>739917616[anon he was replying to]Nah, I think he was just being hyperbolic like that, a figure of speech.Probably.
>>739917238Doubt. I checked the profile, and there was no HMOFA. Those set of images were very “HMOFA” like
>>739917451Quetzali or the out of bounds stuff?
>>739917530"Transformers! Robots in this guy!"
>>739917745yes
>>739917619while Flowey's inclusion is dubious he makes up for it for such a ludokino bossfight
>>739917124NTA, but they’re right if they’re referring to the e6 fav count thing. The guy is trying to push a narrative that unbirthing is super popular when it’s more like pregnancy is just popular
>>739917801Hey I'm the anon who posted the links. I posted them in relation to the topic of which works the artists drew here that had the most upvotes and favs on e6.There was no pushing narrative involved when I made the post. That's an assumption on your part.
>>739917424>That's what I want.I don't want to make that game though. The concept of exhastively complex difficulty options just bothers me, to the point I don't want to put serious work and effort into it.Maybe I could just put a config file somewhere that lets you tweak that stuff, sorta like Half Life does. That doesn't offend me like putting a dedicated options screen for it in the game would.
>>739917524Why thats the opposite of what I want to see! I cant, and wont try to stop you, but at the least please consider not saying its -for- me.Pretty please.Whatever gets you writing though is better than if you dont write at all. Even if it causes me psychic damage.
I've been so preoccupied talking about difficulty in game design today that I haven't gotten any work done on my Martlet talon fetish image, dammit.
>>739917451I love the OOB areas as a concept. Fits the setting so well and has a lot of narrative potential. The Undertale farlands would make a fun level. And maybe Val would treat it like the hyperbolic time chamber and try to use its harsh conditions to train, even they aren't actually comparable at all.
>>739917986>That doesn't offend me like putting a dedicated options screen for it in the game would.I don't mean in the game world, I just mean as something under a dropdown menu when I'm starting a new game, something you just deal with once and then never bother with again for the duration of your playthrough.
>>739918056Me too, not a Martlet talon fetish image, but a short story I've been procrastinating on for over a week now.
>>739917736there are somehttps://www.furaffinity.net/view/57063573/https://www.furaffinity.net/view/61482877/https://www.furaffinity.net/view/62469096/
>>739918043>I cant, and wont try to stop you, but at the least please consider not saying its -for- me.I already said I don't actually really want to make it, but the sheer suffering it would inflict on other people from the knowledge of it's existence is almost tempting me.You would be wise to hold your tongue, dear librarby anon.>Whatever gets you writing though is better than if you dont write at all.Oh yes, I've seen you say as much before.After all, you gave me similar encouragement only a few days ago, as a matter of fact.[insert evil laugh]
>>739916510I still fucking hate this.Chujin has a slave
>>739906984which game is this?
i want my deltarune fangame to be little more on easier side so people can play it casually, I've been trying to visualize the "level design" DR's hallways did with the right amount of branching to keep the illusion of maze-like areas going
>>739918090>Val BETRAYED and TRAPPED in the HYPERBOLIC OOB AREA for XX YEARS
>>739918231Ah, I was wrong then. Still, the lighting doesn't look the same. Also, why would this particular individual not post that comic to their own page but to 4chan if they actually made it? Doesn't make sense, which is why I doubt it's this person as well. There's also 0 instances of Undertale mentions or work in their furaffinity or their SFW twitter accountThe only reason that it could be this person is if they're trying to protect themselves from harassment or judgement cause they drew something that would be controversial. It is very much worth noting every Kanaclover NSFW piece I've seen has originated from 4chan by a draw anon. None of the ""major"" UTY NSFW artists that have social media profiles have ever drawn Kanaclover, and 99% of them have never drawn Kanako or Clover in other sexual contexts either
>>739917616I don't literally see it as a personal attack. I just don't like it. Feels lazy on the dev's part and like a hassle on mine.
>>739918213Ah, hope you're able to get back to it soon, that sucks.
>>739918097>just mean as something under a dropdown menu when I'm starting a new gameI was talking about menus. I could do a skills.cfg that has exhaustive difficulty options in it, but something about putting it in the actual game itself feels wrong.
>>739918565>imageThis is how Starlo ended up becoming a yellow giant in that one green.
>>739918056I was supposed to be programming bounding boxes. But oh well, my eyes are too strained to stare intently at an IDE or do research today anyways.
>>739918623He wasn't actually betrayed, he just put himself in there to pretend he was edgy betrayed Goku
>>739918565>i want my deltarune fangame to be little more on easier side so people can play it casuallyWhich game are you making, I need to know what the only other game that's targeting the casual Undertale audience is. (Mine is Oldentale btw)
>>739918802I mean this is better than agonizing when trying to edit the dialogue on that story, but I can't run away from it forever.
>>739918850>but something about putting it in the actual game itself feels wrong.I fuckin' swear man...I really think the best way to appeal to the most people, to yourself and to others, when it comes to the difficulty, is to just have a menu built in that lets people play the game how they want, so those of us who want an actual challenge can get that, and those who want an easier time can have that too.I don't know what else to say at this point, that seems like the best solution for the most people.Whatever flavor of autism this is, I just don't understand it.
>>739918994Ah, same.I'm currently sorta avoiding having to figure out how Martlet's face should look for her reaction to getting her talons licked, but I too will have to face this beast.
>>739917332probably like 50 feet or so, and the pics imply that she steals size from others so probably just keeps on getting bigger and bigger
>>739908538>>739909540he basically believed that even with the seven souls a war against humanity would still likely end horribly so his main hope was to make the majority of monsterkind as roided as possible to put them on "even" footing with beforehand. its just the serum required a boss monster soul to test on leaving him ultimately killing him and causing his wife to give their daughter super aids
>>739918885Ah, sorry about that eye strain, that can be rough.My eyes never usually seem to feel strained by themselves, usually I just get the migraines instead.
>>739919070 You're telling me that she canonically vores monsters to grow bigger?
>>739916510This artist is quite skilled and can draw the UTY characters pretty normally except for Starlo for some reason. I'm pretty sure 99% of the perception that Starlo was being portrayed as this big buff man was because of this artist and another one back in 2024I just can't see the appeal in it. His head shape + huge muscular body don't really work together, especially with the human like eyes drawn here. He's just too canonically cartoonish looking for all that, and I feel like as the "Chujin's parallel/rival" guy, it would be cursed if Starlo was that much larger than him
>>739919091That's stupid, a monster even with one human soul could wipe out a human village. A monster with seven souls could not only destroy the barrier but possibly rewrite reality. Just look at Asriel with seven, he literally has infinite attack and defense.
>>739919009I mean I could put instructions for editing the config in the readme and I could make the config easily readable. I just don't want to put it in the UI of the game itself.Yes its autism, but this whole thing is an autistic endeavor, so it comes with the territory.
>>739919331>I mean I could put instructions for editing the config in the readme and I could make the config easily readable. I just don't want to put it in the UI of the game itself.I guess, but that just feels like a really obtuse way of handling things when a menu would probably be as good, and probably more intuitive for people.And with less risk of breaking something too.>Yes its autism, but this whole thing is an autistic endeavor, so it comes with the territory.I know, but this is *really* specific.
>>739919263Fujos were really desperate for a ship in UTY
>>739919708Sparkplug is the real best UTYaoi pairing.
>>739919764>Sparkplugwhat?
>>739919808Dalv/Axis.
>>739919281Yeah, Toriel points out anyone who really wanted a final solution to the human problem just needed one human soul to slip the barrier and grab 6 random bystanders
>>739919571>And with less risk of breaking something tooI think I could just make the options easy to understand and have a way to easily fix them if you break them>I know, but this is *really* specific.This entire game is a collection of all my most specific things assembled into a single coherent experience. Again, its nothing but autism.
>>739919708I don't see it a problem with that inherently as there is also no canonical living straight ships in UTY besides some robots. The real question here is this: why didn't Starlo/Chujin take off in 2024 as the "fujo" pair instead of Corn Yaoi? I still can't wrap my head around this. Chujin is more attractive, interesting, and relevant than Dalv. He also is implied to have some level of relationship with Starlo unlike Dalv, and he already contrasts well against Starlo's personality. They are both "rivals" too, which fujos love. Is it just because Chujin is dead and married? Maybe. But, Kanaclover has one semi-dead half in it. Cocoapowder is even weirder as they both would hate each other
>>739919991I fuckin' guess man.In any event, I hope this serves as an adequate solution to the problem you were upset about.
>>739916510You forgot these sketches. They're not as bad I think
>>739920030Actually, good question, maybe they latched to corn yaoi because it felt more "canon" (Chujin is already dead) and Dalv was just standing right there doing nothing, they needed an excuse to draw him
>>739920296>lagEVERY TIME
>>739920296Samefag, but ok maybe it's a tad bit cursed. Still, here's another sketch. Ceroba looks actually hot
>>739920296I don't know why there are so many of these types who are fans with Jschlatt. You'd think his edgy jokes would've scared them off.
>>739920486>Ceroba looks actually hotBut nowhere near as hot as her normal self.
>>739920486They actually look good when they aren't smeared with grease
>>739916510That discussion was very fun, but I still fear we might be tempting fate with such things.
>>739920775Can't wait to see tumblerized black Val
>>739920806They're gonna turn all our scrimblos into abominations, Wiki's gonna be a h*man woman, oh dear god
>>739920883>Wiki's gonna be a h*man woman,A BLACK human woman, and not a cute one I'm afraid
>>739920983>A BLACK human woman, and not a cute one I'm afraidYou're scaring me anon, don't joke about stuff like that.
>>739921072Val if he unreal
>>739921310Huh.That's actually pretty good.Not sure about the gloves going on his talons though, don't think that's how kick boxing works.
>>739920584I can't find it since apparently it's been deleted for whatever reason, so just take my word for this. But, they once did an April Fool's VN art of Corn Yaoi with a clean anime like art style instead of the more paint like style you're seeing. So, they are just choosing to color their art like that lol
>>739921441NTA, but is that better or worse than it not being a choice?
>>739921610I guess it just comes down to a matter of preferences. We may not like the art style, but so many other people do (they had a lot of influence on the UTY fandom). As someone who doesn't like it, it's worse that it's a choice
>>739921387>Not sure about the gloves going on his talons though, don't think that's how kick boxing works.sometimes they do. I put the gloves on the talons because they didn't look good on the wings. I suppose monster Val fights mostly with kicks or by using his spurs, like a rooster would.
>>739918985GELtarune
>>739906984Hot Starlo/Martlet NSFW fanfic with some nice face-sittinghttps://rentry.co/q4kni38n
>>739920983No way, we all know the first rule of tumblrization is that the race choices have to make no sense. Her being black would make too much sense on account of her height and black fur. Therefor she will be Afghan-American (with vitiligo).
>>739921310Is that fucking Vacter?
>>739921959Cool, I guess its just you an me at Weenie Hutt Jr's. But I tell you what, I'm a goofy goober and I'm proud.
>>739922652You got it wrong, black people are wildcards when it comes to tumblrization, they are an exception to the common rules and you can make anyone black without rhyme or reason
>>739922698>Absorbing Val's soul turns Racter into an entirely different bird species
>>739922809Except the characters that should be black.
>>739922583Did you write this or find it somewhere?
>>739922879Racter is pretty chicken-like design wise, he's just got a baby face is all. Besides Val is very cocky.
>>739923109There's something off putting about this art style
>>739922927>>739922583I’m too scared to click. What’s in that fic?
>>739923138>Absorbing Val's soul makes Racter finally hit puberty>Val is very cocky.Yeah that's part of the joke.
>>739923234I skimmed through, saw that Starlo farted in Martlet's face, and immediately closed it. It's a text form of Catbox roulette. I wonder if someone actually put in the effort to write it or generated it.
>>739921310Is this official art?
>>739923415Yeah, I made it for fun while I was drawing an overworld sprite for a bird character, I actually ended recycling the talons from this drawing on that other character.
sex with monsters
>>739924443Fangame protagonist...
I did this earlier but forgot to post it.
>>739924879>Vacter>Yal(?)>Valley
>>739925064blblblblblblb yeah
>>739925064I thought the middle one was the Valssel.
>>739925126Nope, but I can make him grey if you want
>>739925164Sure, if you feel like it.
>>739921752>monster Val cockfightsAmazing stuff.
>>739924879wait whats the middle val supposed to be?
>>739925309Here you go, it's a 2 for 1 special
>>739922809This feels like a horrifying inverse to Joe Biden's "you ain't black".Anyone could be black, and that's terrifying.
>>739925705Cool, thanks.I like the idea of making a vessel and it getting that smirk before you're even done making it, like it's already got a mind of its own somehow.
>>739924879Val if he 'tegrityVal if he VasselVal if he forma de jobber
>>739925768Oh yeah, vessels don't have faces, whoops
>>739924879For some reason, Val dressed as Riley reminds me of that thing they did once in those old DC cartoons where they'd have Superman wear Batman's suit to get the drop on someone.Maybe Val's wearing Riley's clothes to bait Mr.Sunshine into getting closer, and he's gonna beat the shit out of him when he does.
>>739925705What happened to left Vassel's gloves?
>>739925812Nah, the smirk's funnier.Imagining just putting the head on a vessel, and it just gets the smirk instantly, vessel's already tainted.
>>739925939That's what you get for giving your vessel the gift of bravery
>>739925626For him those would just be fights.Unless chickens have their own division for corporeal arts.
>>739920983Toriel is a Muslim in that one infamous Humantale image, so to fulfill Wiki's "black sheep (goat) of the family" angle she needs to be a Black Israelite
>>739925681the forbidden one
>>739926326Awful, thank you.
>>739925939Shhh, nothing was forgotten and I did not accidentally make him shorter.
>>739926026Well most monsters don't want their eyes being gouged out or their throats slashed in a friendly sporting competition. Cockfights in the monster world are like illegal bareknuckle boxing.
>>739925768That was the gift you chose for it, cockyness
>>739926423I'm not the one who pointed that out, but I'll keep your mistakes in mind.Like all the different sprites we've been getting lately, like that fucked up Racter someone made a little while ago while trying to scale him properly.
>>739926483meant for >>739926126
>>739926423Not to be pedantic, buuuuuut, the arms on that Val are too apart from the rest of his body, he's missing the part of the tied jacket that can be seen on the sides of his pants.
>>739926326>The human-monster war was just whities killing whities>DAS RITE!
>>739926545I see that my perfect Racter is still remembered
>>739926326Bringing back the "monster israel" thing, I see
>>739926658I don't think anyone will have the privilege of forgetting anytime soon.Least of all him, the poor bastard.
>>739926483>illegal bareknuckle boxing.ah but you see, monster Val is wearing foot guards, this makes the fights totally legal, even if they don't actually cover the sharp parts of his talons.
>>739926603I yieldI wanna play some videogames
>>739926686They're the angel's chosen people
>>739926801reaction image for ants
>>739921752I just had an idea for a grown version of monster Val doing a striptease for the viewer by slowly taking off his talonguards with a cocky smirk.Sigh.
>>739926904...are you going to draw that?
What if Ceroba was a Hyena larping as a Japanese kitsune. Her only tell is her god awful laugh.
>>739926904I heard your foot fetish is pretty strong
>>739926980I... guess we'll see.I'll make a note of it for later, if nothing else.I just hate how clearly I can see it in my head, I could probably draw it with barely any references if I had to.
>>739926801Here you go, Valsel, I don't know why you recreated the sprite instead of just using the original for this.The mouthless version reminds me of the shadowboxer.
>>739927030Anon I swear to god.
>>739927023But foxes have an awful laugh too.
>>739906984Momrobahttps://files.catbox.moe/gj2imr.png
>>739927056>I could probably draw it with barely any references if I had to.Damm, that does sounds like a pretty strong fetish.
>>739927023>Her only tell is her god awful laugh.While I don't like the idea of her not being a fox, her having a big laugh like that does sound appealing.But as that other anon points out, foxes also make laughing noises anyway.
>>739927101You have only yourself to blame. You see an au swap of a character as a monster, and instantly imagine lewding an aged up version of him. You just can't help yourself.
>>739926801You done good anon. Are you the one that did the one where Anon is hugging both roba and chujin Rouxls style?
>>739927120Shut the up.I drew the second Luzma image I did with barely any references either, it happens sometimes.
>>739927059>The mouthless version reminds me of the shadowboxer.New schizo theory unlocked
>>739927101He's using an ACT on you, he knows this will make you easier to spare once he has to use the slap.
>>739927134It just kinda flashed into my head, it wasn't something I thought too hard about.
>>739927059Truth be told I got pretty excited when you guys said you liked my sprite the other day, I still really have no idea what I'm doing.
>>739927226You're only digging the hole deeper. Its so strong you don't even have to try, the images just come to you automatically.
>>739927239its fine, these silly sprites bring discussion to the threads
>>739927203...Fuck.That's kinda hot.The idea of adult bird monster Val getting an enemy to stand down by exploiting them having a foot fetish is... interesting.
>>739927173Hey, that's actually impressive, only the most experienced artists can draw with very little references, I guess the fetishes allow you to momentarily tap into your full potential.
I wish I could just whip up sprites like that on a whim. Takes me hours to draw that kind of stuff.
>>739927239NTA, but which sprite?I wanna know if I missed anything cool lately.
>>739927362> I guess the fetishes allow you to momentarily tap into your full potential.How strong is anon (forma foot fetish)?
>>739927374sometimes making small overworld sprites takes me hours too, but making edits can take much less time since you already have a base
>>739927362But I have no say over when, why, or how it ends up being activated, or how long it actually lasts.It really is like being possessed.
>>739927142>>739927375It was this one.
>>739927414The fetish forms sacrifices battle iq in exchange for speed, using it can be risky.
>>739927482Oh, that one.That is a good sprite animation, but that's a little more than "the other day" ago, isn't it?
>>739927510I'll have you know I was very focused when I drew Luzma that one time, it's hardly an intelligence debuff.If anything, it's a control debuff.
>>739927342>The idea of adult bird monster Val getting an enemy to stand down by exploiting them having a foot fetish is... interesting.Any trick is valid in battle, you can only blame yourself if you fall for them, specially in this case knowing you'll get slapped by a wing once the ACT is over.
>>739927454>>739927510Oh, so its like Ichigo's hollow form, cool. That must mean its really strong.
>>739913814I'd generate a ton of publicity and probably get a bunch of big-names revisiting Undertale to expose it to a viewer base who probably hasn't seen it before.Though, it's not like Toby is hurting for cash or recognition or anything.
>>739927572I think its called batting when its done with a wing
>>739927535Is it? I thought I posted it sort of recently when someone was asking about making sprites?
>>739927667>I thought I posted it sort of recently when someone was asking about making sprites?Oh, well I must've missed that, but I swear I remember seeing it back in April or something.
>>739927707I did make it a while ago, but I posted it as an example, I think, that or I had a dream I posted it in a thread last? week or the week before
>>739927654Now that I think about it, if monster Val has the gloves on his feet, then his "slap" would be done with the talons as well, but I'm not sure what the talon equivalent for a slap would be.
>>739927572I can handle a slap in exchange for that, sure.
>>739927750Well, it is a cool sprite anyway.
>>739927180The shadowboxer is actually a vessel?
>>739927808a kick, because his harmful attacks would be done with his spurs.
>>739927868Bingo
...Okay, I made a very quick paper sketch to remember the exact pose I had in mind when I had the idea forcefully inserted into my head.I think I accidentally convinced myself into doing it after I realized how easy it would be, despite the image I saw in my head not being a setup I've ever drawn before.Something about the idea of a character being cocky while showing off their feet/paws/talons/whatever, it just gets me.
>>739927829>Monster!Val fights drawanon>use Strip act>* You slowly and dramatically take off your talonguards to remove your limiters>* Drawanon begins to smile!>* Drawanon's willingness to fight... has dropped?>Use the Wake up kick technique on the damaged anon>Anon's spared sprite shows him still smiling instead of having a suprised face>You... both won?>You feel as if you shouldn't do that again
>>739928198Oh god damnit.Alright, that's pretty funny, you got me.
>>739928167That cocky cock really had an effect on you, huh?
>>739928301I don't think I'd have thought about it too much if I didn't spend an extra second thinking about that post talking about footguards or whatever.So, it was a combination of things.
>>739927023>female hyenaChujin is not ready for the surprise Hyena Roba is holding
>>739928952As if she didn't already peg him every night by default.You really think Chujin was the top in that relationship?
>>739928952kek based
I just realized that despite being a mashup of the two most common protagonist archetypes, Val ends up feeling pretty fresh because they aren't usually combined. JRPGs produced a million genki Gokus and silent protags, but not both. Even actual Toriyama designed silent protagonists don't have that shonen hero energy, they're just empty shells that happen to look DBZ.Val's archetypes play off each other: silent MCs get boring without a personality and shallow meathead protags get annoying when they never shut up
>>739927864I appreciate it, and if I did only dream posting it, oops.
>>739929554>I just realized that despite being a mashup of the two most common protagonist archetypes, Val ends up feeling pretty fresh because they aren't usually combined. JRPGs produced a million genki Gokus and silent protags, but not both.I think Val's concept is funny as whole, he's a main character that wants to fight, and exists within world of Undertale, one of the few games with a fandom that is against using violence at all, he's the opposite of what you'd expect from a main character in a UT fangame, its like he's from a different game genre.
>>739906984Pokemon fan games fail on this almost universally. Pokemon is fun because you are catching different pokemon in different locations. I dont want every single trainer battle or gym battle to be grinding and finding the 2 or 3 pokemon in that zone that are effective at beating the bosses/enemies. I want to be able to make a strong 6 pokemon that can pretty much get through most of the game.
>>739929878Its not just that the fanbase is against it, the setting itself isn't suited for it. The monsters are weak as shit, and all grinding for XP does is trivialize the combat. Val thinks he's in DBZ, when he's in its complete thematic and mechanical opposite.
>>739917118No one's gonna write a green of my giantess vore fanfic, huh.Guess I might have to write one myself unless if someone still wants to write one
>>739930374ok here's onemooch steals the button that makes people six gorillion feet tall, then goes all like "golly gee whilikers berries and cream I could go for a human" then eats you and you fall for like 8 seconds inside her stomach and break your neck and ribs bouncing off the bottom of ityou may cum now
>>739930032Most RPG fangames/rom hacks are made by autists that want more "challenge", and many times those people don't know anything about proper game design or just don't care
>>739930374As the person who wrote that Kanako/Ceroba vore green earlier, I actually don't like vore, I just did that to hurt the Librarby anon.Sorry.
I don't get it, what's the issue of turning a monster black when making a human design?
>>739931242Nothing. I wasn't apart of that discussion mind you, but it's not surprising to see it raised as an issue on /v/. There's a good chance anons doing this are either SEAsians or latinos considering a lot of them seem obsessed with UTY, which is even funnier
>>739931449>>739931242Almost got me that time, troll kun.
Does Geltarune have a demo?
>>739931607???
>>739932063It hasn't began development yet, but Oldentale has "Something Playable"
>>739932063>>739932342geltarune is the one with the mcdonalds wagie, it has nothing playable yet except these few clips
>>739932342Isn't Geltarune the one with the grey guy, Bradley?
>>739932419i didn't know that, I don't browse these threads much, only for UTN progress
>>739932406looks good
>>739906984Go all into the frustrating as long as you can make it exciting. For a player experienced with doing challenges, castrated difficulty feels like a tease, and usually comes at the cost of making it way harder to do something with more limits (as the balancing often amounts to making assrape attacks deal negligible damage, creating a large gap between playing casually and trying to do well). Obsessing with fairness can also lead to design that leaves too many exploits, or is too easy once you memorize it or learn how to use the mechanics well, as fairness often means trying to avoid frustrating players that won't care to learn anything outside of the bare minimum.
>>739932296Always replying like that, bad tell.
>>739930514Wow, that "green" was so bad that I think I'll try writing an actual green. Not only that, but I might make it a 2-part series.(Well, probably not immediately. I might post it to the start of next week's thread if I get to writing one.)
>>739927482I like this sprite
>>739932801You are confusing me
>>739928198Boy am I glad it was specifically monster Val that I had this idea for, otherwise I'd be permanently attaching a fetish to yet another UTN character.
>>739927023It's a common fan theory that she's not really a kitsune, since she doesn't have a tail (the other popular theory involving Ceroba's tail is that, because tail count is associated with wisdom, Ceroba having no tail makes her retarded). I like portraying her as a coyote, since that's a desert animal with a close-ish color scheme to her
>>739932801NTA but…What? Which poop dick whatever schizo are you talking about? I was just making fun of certain groups is all
>>739934212There's a guy who's been replying to people like that whenever someone mentions the possibility of trolling, not to mention the usual sharty almost always acts dumb whenever someone mentions him.
you're DRY heros,>coal>can of coke>axel>salty>gumbo (also known as feel licks)>meadow
>>739932406Is that a strawman?
>>739934462No it's someone's sincere postion
>>739934914I meant the man made of McDonald's straws on the right
>>739935198I think that was the joke.
>>739935198I know you did, that's the joke.
>>739935254>>739935270Man, that one sucked.
>>739935354Straws tend to do that
>>739935387That's the joke.
Sex with Fem Clover!
>>739936000dont you have a street to shit on?
>>739936129What?
>>739936167i mean you just kinda seem like a subhuman shitposter.usually you just come in here with the same bland and generic line that the humanfag"s" use in UT/DR threads and leave.
clover/cole is a straight white male here.
Only Cole is confirmed to be a boy though.
>cowBOYyou just want an excuse to spam ELQ no effort image posts.thats /vg/ tier behavior and we arent /vg/, so fuck off
https://files.catbox.moe/zm3mvu.pngthe zartrot has consumed me and i liked how the mooch one turned out so decided to do a lil TF comic thinghave a preview, not sure where im going with this
>>739938085Cool!
>>739938085Very cool Sig, nice.
>>739938085im no fan of muscles or height growth, but i do quite like that chest.>the zenith serum but it backfires completely and only makes martlet's breasts bigger
>>739938085I haven't been around in a while. What Mooch one?
>>739938085Holy Zart, thank you for this meal, Sig. Would share a Zart I drew but now is probably not the time for that
>>739938549Oh shit the lizard guy is here too?
>>739938085Once you go Zartlet, there's no going back Sig. The Zenith of monsterkind has consumed your thoughts.I think the Martlet tf looks nice, I'm sure you'll figure out where to get with it eventually.Maybe she adjusts overtime, a slight personality change, she realizes she's a lot more attractive etc...
>>739938810I just woke up.
>>739938993Rise and shine Sam
>>739938085never use spy for your goonslop, cracker
Pretty decent thread all around this time.Good discussion, new creative stuff, monster Val talons, good stuff in general.Have a good night everyone.
>>739939826that drawanon has been here longer than you.
>>739939826Cry harder sharty
>>739939885
>>739939950note how it says nothing about drawing it, basedkiddie.anyways dont you have homework to do? school's almost out you know, you still have a chance to fix your straight Fs!
>>739939950*EEEHHHH*, wrong!Do some actual reading instead of mindlessly following rhetorical bullshit kid, you might actually have an original thought for once in your life.(screenshot from "Science Stopped Believing in Porn Addiction, You Should, Too" by Dr.David J. Ley)
>>739940023It's my day out, so that means I can mock porn artistsAlso I'm not in school
>>739940156tl;dr
>Also I'm not in schoolwhy lie?
>>739940023The kid's up at 5:30 pm on a Sunday, and it's late May, he's clearly out of school for the summer.Just report him for being an underage user, no point arguing with someone who isn't supposed to be on this site to begin with.
>>739907234>Not a fangame, but people have been bugging FromSoft to add difficulty options to their games for ages nowThe games just need proper support for challenge runs on an initial playthrough without having to carry shit through to NG+.
>>739940385I still honestly think just giving the noobs what they want with an easy mode is a viable solution, as long as it keeps FromSoft from nerfing the game into unenjoyability for the rest of us.Seriously, all the final bosses in AC6 are complete jokes now, it fucking sucks.
>>739938549you can find it on sig's page on the blue site
>>739940212I'm 23 bro
>>739940502Sure, and I bet you click the "I'm 18" buttons on all those sites you swear you never go to, too.
>>739940454>I still honestly think just giving the noobs what they want with an easy mode is a viable solutionI also don't want shit to be nerfed, but the games need to be 'sot of hard' by default so that he player is encouraged to get good tools or summon if they can't deal with this themselves. The games really need to decide how to properly incorporate summoning into the games anyway, as everyone rightly treats it as a soft easy mode, despite the games never acknowledging that it's the one thing that lets you legit not beat shit yourself. The 'serious' mode should only let you summon players for the equivalent of NG+/ascetics that you've already beaten, and 'easy' should just let you summon without restriction.
>>739940537I'm sorry I don't suffer from porn addiction like you
>>739939850Have dreams of monster Val teasing you with his talons
>>739940729People can talk about porn if they want to, doesn't make them addicts.Seeing shit you don't like on an adult site doesn't mean it has to bend over backwards for you, especially given that you clearly aren't supposed to be on here.
>>739940791I don't want to see this shit man, at least give a warning first
>>739927114Don't click the link, it's not what you think it is.It's some super cursed shit with Ceroba and Clover.That's all you need to know.
>>739941031This is 4chan, this is what this site is.Don't like it, leave, which you should anyway, since this site is for adults.Seriously, fuck off kid, you really shouldn't be spending your time here.
to spite the soikiddie, i think im going to start a rimworld save soon running my favorite mod. no, its not THAT mod, its a different NSFW onewhich character set should i use?>UTY cast (dalv, martlet, ceroba, starlo, axis)>DRY cast (cole, kanako, sadie, gizmo, melody)>DRY2 cast (same as DRY but with the flower girls)>teen humans (kris, cole, melody, aged up val or aged down riley, CWK girl)
>>739941031go to fucking twitter for your sensitive content filters then
>>739938085Your posts have only become more impressive over the years
>>739941170Teen humans, I think it has potential for some funny shenanigans withh Val and Riley
>>739941232Much better than the Martlet drawanon, who can't draw anything good period, and just draws shit.
Interesting that the sharty and the guy with a hateboner for the unbirthing drawfag tend to show up at the same times so often.Much to think about.
>>739941141thanks for the advice >>739941152I'm an adult sir, why do you think of children when someone doesn't like porn?
>>739941396>why do people hate fetishes
>>739941307if i do the teen humans im leaving it at one of each soul color. undecided on val or riley, not sure who would fit better yet.it'd also be easier since i dont have to make several xenotypes lmao
>>739941170Do the UTY cast. It's always fun. On mine, Kanako usually dies early or gets hurt badly.
>>739941465SOU Frisk
>>739941572This. Lmao
>>739941396Interesting that someone always makes a comment about it, and makes an accusation as if they're intentionally trying stir something up.
>>739941465Val could be funnier, he also could end up dying quickly, if you're doing soul colors you should include Hope (girl from UT Futility) and the cyan girl from that foot fetish web comic
>>739941862>cyan girl from that foot fetish web comicLink so I know how to avoid it?
>>739941862i'd rather go with "notable" games and ones from here.futility doesnt have a release and i'd rather not taint my save with THAT cyan girl.i'd do UTN/OT cast sets as options but i dont remember enough about their character sets to accurately make them
>>739941957Its not literally a fetish comic, just something with a poorly disguised fetish on it
i don't understand this "sharty" guy, so far I haven't seen any søyjaks
>>739942106You could include a teen Bradley (GELtarune) then, he has purple soul
>>739942119The girl is very cute at least!
>>739942168ooh thats a tough one because im not going to subject a newer devanon's characters to the NSFW mod im gunna usei think if i go with the teen humans i'll stick with those five.
>>739942329Oh, I didn't notice the NSFW mention on your first post
Ceroba if she Snowdin.
>>739942497winter is coming
>>739942140He posted this >>739940191Also when you are around these people enough you recognize their mannerisms. They're the epitome of hypocritical moralists, since instead of talking to actual porn addicts they'll attack online artists and will be so obnoxious any chance of advancing their "cause" becomes damaged beyond repair.
>>739942725no offense but you sound like this right now
>>739938085Awesome art, Sig
>>739934440>salty
>>739943181in the weird route donut steel cole shoots her with a salt rocket launcher disintegrating her
>>739941170DRY1, I want to see the shenanigans
>>739942865>[zartlet art]>what the FUCK. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU. THATS NOT FUNNY. LIKE AT ALL.>god fucking damnit i need to shit up the thread right now i cant handle this
>>739941396Hey nigger, anons were mocking unbirthing well prior to the sharty showing up.
>>739941031Nigger, (you) clicked on a catbox link
>>739943378>>739943391curb your racism
>>739943526>scared of THE EVIL NIGGER WORD!!!!kid you gotta get off of 4chan.
>>739934135You indirectly made a connection with foot fetish to Val
anyone have that one mockup render an anon made for Kanako, Sadie, and Melody's proportions? I think he was using a Susie model for Kanako and Melody, and a Noelle model for Sadie.
>>739943565you are definitely not darkskin
>>739943773you dont understand what you're doing, child.you need to get off of 4chan before you fuck yourself up permanently.
>>739943851why are you calling me a child, are you obsessed with them?
>>739944683also I've been here since 2022, nothing can affect me anymore
>>739944683im calling you a child because you are one. and its absolutely vital that you get off of 4chan before you fuck yourself up for life.block the site so you cant come back on a whim, uninstall all of your social media, and enjoy your summer vacation.
>>739944683It's /v/. Of course everyone is obsessed with them
>>739944751I was born in 2002
>>739944883sure you were, and im the king of the moon.you can say it, but that doesnt make it true.you NEED to get off of 4chan.
>>739936000This but with all femhumans.
>>739944932All humans are femhumans!
>>739944932>>739945018you can stop samefagging now
>>739944737Nothing except furry porn
>the charaspammer is here
>>739944932this is why no one likes you
>inb4 i wake up and the charanigger is trying to start drama with us in the UT/DR thread again
>>739938085can't wait to see it finished
Canon Clover boob size at the end of the thread.
This wasn't a bad thread, we got some gameplay discussions, some wip art from sig and we witnessed the creation of bird Val
>>739945018Big if true.
>anti-nsfw soikiddie shuts up>charaspammer appears
>>739945309We can never have it right
>>739945309battat would be 100% against porn
>>739944928Alright, how old are you then?
NEVER GOON
>>739945405BATTAT'S THE NAME OF THE GAME!
>>739945539nope that's pluey
>>739945492Make me, bitch.
>>739945309>>739945492>Fictional character would agree with me
>>739945606That's... A minor...
>>739945606It's easy not to goon when you post ai slop
>>739945619If Susie knew what the internet do to her she'd use Grave Buster on them
>>739943675Anyone? Bueller?
>>739945684fuck you niggaKAMEKAMEHAAAAAAAA
>>739945630Never ever read Faust. You would lose your mind.
>>739945630Does it make it... (gulp) ...p-problematic medias???
>>739945742Correct
>>739945630Out of ten.
>>739945492GOONGOON TO MARTLET UNBIRTHING CLOVERGOON TO CEROBA PEGGING CHUJINGOON TO DRINKING LUZMA'S WIILKGOON TO LICKING BIRD VAL'S TALONSGOON TO EATING WIKI'S ASSGOON TO RACTER RAPEGOON GOON NEVER STOP GOONING
>>739945676WRONG! She would marry me
Remember Sans AUs are still Popular and more loved while only losers care for Yellow
>>739945684I don't think anyone has saved those, you'd have to find them on the archive
>>739945802PEDOPHILE >>739945807Stop>>739945847she's interested in girls and she's also a minor You lost, pedo cuck
>>739945873You have to be thirteen. Talk about internet-poisoned!
>>739945873>He doesn't want to get drunk drinking Luzma's wisp milkgay
>>739945870Dammit
>>739945289It's true Toby said it to me himself.
>>739945986Nah it's another anon pretending to be this twitter soicaca from above
>>739945986nah I just don't like porn>>739946081stop being weird towards women
oh god this thread is still going
>739946186>i hate porn>uses the porn websiteyou can't be real, no more (You)s for you.
>>739946231and worse, the charanigger found it.
>>739946186>stop being weird towards womenOkay, can I be weird about men then?
>>739946304don't do this to my goat
>>739946368but that's not a goat, this is
>>739946368i'd say "you should see the full image" but thats exposing porn to a minor.
>>739946121I will trust you, then.
>>739946412oh my fucking god man read the room
>>739946121>>739946438again, you can stop samefagging.this is the fangame thread, not your ELQ image dump.
>>739946587I don't think he can stop, he's always in every thread
>>739946465I think I've read the room well enough
>>739946678What the fuck man
just for our resident anti-porn-warrior before the thread dies.
>>739946750you didn't have to take us out with him
>>739946750Clover...easy on the cheeseburgers...
>>739946750SONION
Creatures
>>739947334Too over detailed pixel art
>>739947334green one looks like he's about to show off his ecchi collection unsolicited
