Hot TakeI think Demon's Souls is the best Souls game, better than Dark Souls 1 and Elden Ring
It's my second favorite besides Bloodborne. Well, maybe third. Sekiro is really good too.
Played it for the first time this year, it was better than Elden Ring but not Dark Souls
>>739912398>Hot Takenot really, only dark souls babbys disagree
Actual hot takeI take DaS2 is the best in the quadrology
I used to have Bloodborne above it but I replayed that game last year and it was a lot worse than I remembered it being. Still good but DeS, DS1, and even ER were way better. I still like it more than DS2 and DS3 though.
>>739912470>SekiroSekiro is not Souls
I'll take it over any dark souls game except the first half of 1. I will not take it over BB tho
>>739912398never played DS because im not buying a ps3 for one game.However I cant wait to buy a ps4 to play Bloodborne againI dont make the rules, thats just how it is
>>739912740What year is this post from? 2015?
>>739912740You can emulate both.
>>739912782funny enough, 2015 is around the time i checked out of society
sekiro > everything else
>>739912740OP hereDon't make this mistake, I did.I played it last year for the first time and funny enough its the one i played last, after i played all of them.The game is just excellent, its game design is absolutely top tier, its well paced and has great ideas, its lacking in harder bosses and weapon movesets, so its less flashy, but the bosses are actually all unique and each has their own gimmick and puzzle, so in a way they are actually better than dark souls 1 bosses which are all dodge and kill crap. Its highly atmospheric and has coherent world that makes sense, unlike the link fire bullshit nonsense from dark souls, feels like a cheap copycat to sell the franchise more, demon's souls world feels genuine and thought out just like bloodborne but demon souls has way more depth into its design.Go play it, the emulator is good, its smooth and runs it well, if you are so petty go play the remake at least, its visually great, but the og is the best, and its the first one too so its creative.but at least play the game. dont miss out on it.
>>739912398Comparing demon souls to dark souls is so hard. I love both for a lot of different reasons. I hope fromsoft does another game with levels in it, it feels so natural compared to the open world stuff
>>739913057I'm already 32 years old, Im starting to think it will be a game I play with my son when hes old enough. t. kissless virgin
>>739912398>I think Demon's Souls is the best Souls game, better than Dark Souls 1 and Elden RingIn order1. Bloodborne2. Demon's Souls3. Dark Souls 14. Sekiro5. Elden Ring6. Dark Souls 37. Dark Souls 2Doesn't mean Dark Souls 2 is bad. I kinda love it more than the rest but I don't think it's objectively a very good Souls game.
Dark Souls 1, Sekiro, Bloodborne, and Elden Ring are all better. Demon's Souls is better than Dark Souls 3 and 2
>>739912496Yeah, that sure is a flaming homosexual take.
>>739913057Why don't you like DS1's world design and story? It probably has the best in the series next to DeS
>>739912398Have only played the remake and thought it was weird/mid, should i play the og
>>739912496Truth
has demons souls is just the boring prototype for dark souls. once you go dark souls you just dont go back. i was amazed at how the """remaster""" was largely just a downgrade. meanwhile sotfs was kino and largely improved the game.
>>739912398Claiming that DS1 is the best and everything else it trash is your garden variety Super Contrarian. You've pushed beyond that point to claim that Demon's Souls (aka a flawed tech demo for DS1) is even better than that, and ascended to Super Contrarian 2. Are you gonna stop there? Or do you have it in you to go even further beyond and claim that all souls games are bad and that King's Field is better?
>>739915293Depends on why you thought it was midMechanically it's pretty much identical but it has way better art direction and atmosphere, even if the graphics and the animations might be a bit outdated nowadays
>>739912398It definitely wasn't the best but I liked all the weird shit which got removed in the sequels
>>739912398Sekiro > Bloodborne > DaS2 > DaS:PTDE > DeS (2009) > DaS3 > Nightreign > Elden Ring
I started with Demon's Souls therefore it's the best one.
>>739915582It was def the art direction/atmosphere, did not feel like from, so maybe i will make my cute ds2 girl in the og and play it
>>739915695Those are the exact aspects of the demake that everyone hates it for. I remember when I was watching a friend play it when it came out and he got to Flamelurker and my jaw dropped because the arena was unrecognizable. It looked like a fucking Diablo game.
>>739912398I will consider this and consider giving Demon Souls another try one day, after recently finishing DS1, and coming away unimpressed. Thread on that soon
>>739915695Yeah then definitely give the original a try, it's much more coherent and definitely has that original Form feel
>>739915793Yeah i remembered it having really generic fire shaders, looked like a western game
>>739912398>I think Demon's Souls is the best Souls game, better than Dark Souls 1Just say you want to talk about Demon's Souls bro.There has never been a good souls thread EVER that started like this.>I think X is the best game in the series and all the other are SHITIt's the perfect recipe for a garbage thread.
>>739912398This is not a hot take here, and Demon Souls is dogshit.
>>739915479>meanwhile sotfs was kino and largely improved the game.retard.Reminder that Original Dark Souls 2 is superior to Shit of the First Scholar:1. SOTFS ruined the lighting system, cranked up exposure and ruined the entire aesthetic of the game.2. SOTFS enemy TYPE placement is nonsensical and illogical, it ruins immersion and environmental storytelling.3. SOTFS healing upgrade item placement (estus flask shards and sublime bonedust) are inferior to that of the Orginal Dark Souls 2.4. SOTFS ruins the progression, flow and exploration of the game by adding a lot of shitty petrified statues blocking off areas for no good reason.5. SOTFS nerfed many bosses and their damage, turning the game into a casualized garbage game. 6. SOTFS nerfed a lot of the encounters with the normal enemies too, only a few encounters were made harder in SOTFS. Contrary to popular belief, as a whole SOTFS is much easier than the Original Dark Souls 2. SOTFS is a casualized garbage game.
>>739915479>>739916327What happened to the Sun in Shit of the First Scholar version?
>>739912398It's good because it actually has a story that is coherent and can be pieced together even though it's very basic.
I unironically think the Lords of the Fallen reboot is better than elden ring. ER is too bloated and the level design in LotF is really good
>>739912398Demon's Souls is a Sony masterpiece, while Dark Souls is multiplatform slop with an emo sounding name. Bluepoint ruined From's masterpiece but I still applaud them for highlighting the importance of artistic intention over graphical fidelity.
>>739916327NTA but so if I platinumed the original DS2 on PS3, then I played the superior version?
it's really good, probably the second best after DS1, miss the interconnected world and wish it was a little bit more challenging, but it has unmatched atmosphere, music and art direction in general, archstones 1 and 3 are fantastic
>>739912398idk if thats a hot take.agreed in any case.
>>739912740You could get a PS5 and play the DeS remake and get a digital copy of Bloodborne.
DeS is still the most interesting one imo and there are still some things it does better than any of the games that come after it, eg. has the best poison swamp level they've ever made to name one thingThen Fromsoft turned into Ubisoft, Japan and just kept on going like Assassin's Creed with increasingly mass appeal products to cash out.Sometimes we get a good one that pushes things a bit differently like Sekiro or BB.
>>739912398Its not my favorite, but I respect this take. Because Demon's Souls is overflowing with sovl. Its part of the reason us remake haters are so ass blasted when we talk about it. The vibe in DeS is unlike anything else they've done.
>>739915026It's a ripoff of DeS, i am afraid, Blighttown is just a copy of the valley of defilement which DeS does better
>>739914430respectable ranking
>>739917642>Blighttown is just a copy of the valley of defilement which DeS does betterc'mon man. I love Demon's Souls, but Blighttown is a much better level than Valley of Defilement
>>739917701Such a dishonest take.The valley of defilement ends with the maiden astrae, one of the best bosses in souls games, blighttown is just an asset flip with a spider no one cares about with no lore or story or gameplay (you can skip the area if you pick the master key), DeS nails the filth factor of it all, you feel like you are in soup of abortions
>>739912398It has only two levels that are good, rest are either shit or forgettable
DS2 < DeS < BB < DS3 < DS1 < ER
>>739918031nta valley of defilement is one of the main reasons I WILL NOT replay that game
>>739912398DeS is held back by three things1-it's only playable by emulation and normalfags consider that a sin against their god2- the dogshit remake3-ds1 stealing everything DeS did well and basterdizing it
>>739918031>maiden astrae, one of the best bosses in souls gamesPeak reddit go back.
>>739918031>The valley of defilement ends with the maiden astrae, one of the best bosses in souls gamesAgreed> blighttown is just an asset flip withHow is it an asset flip? It has great verticality and paths and ladders going everywhere. Valley is just a swamp you trudge through for the most part. The little village at the end of the Valley is much simpler. >a spider no one cares about with no lore or story or gameplayDon't diss Quelaag like that. Shes one of the most iconic bosses in tha game.>(you can skip the area if you pick the master key)You cannot. You have to ring the bell behind Quelaag to get to Sen's Fortress. You are thinking of the Depths> DeS nails the filth factor of it all, you feel like you are in soup of abortionsAgreedBoth of your points I agree with are entirely within Astrea's fight/ arena. The actual level leading up to it is less interesting in my opinion.
>>739912398Eh, the hot one is still 2.DeS is high tier, disliked mostly by people that started playing the series later.
>>739918432hot as in the same forced discussion every single time because some people aren't capable of moving on from ds2?
>>739918432Ds2 is the best for making cute girls besides elden ring
>>739918491Maybe I should have said the weird take. DaS2 is my least favourite in the series. Anyway what I meant was that liking DeS is not so special. A lot of people used to prefer it to DaS on release.
>>739918204Exactly my point. See this is how good DeS is, a cazzie like you gets absolutely raped and traumatized by it because of his lack of skills, did blighttown do this to you? No you get a key and you skip it.>>739918349The enemies are reused, the mosquitos, the platforms, the swamp, the textures, the concept, the rats>Shes one of the most iconic bosses in tha game.You don't believe this, she is not iconic at all, her brother and her sister maybe but she is just another gatekeeper>You are thinking of the DepthsNo i meant blighttown, there is a shortcut you can use to skip it all including the depths if you have the master key, you don't have to go through it all
>>739916327>DS2 Heide knights are wandering knights because their home was destroyed>SOTFS moves them back inIt‘s so fucking stupid
>>739918268How is the existence of another game lowering the quality of that game? It's one thing if it's the new lore or some shit, but they don't make any changes like that, right? Making a dude look different has no bearing on the original?
>>739919019Do me a favor and type demon souls on google images and type demon souls on any search engine, what do you see? the real DeS or the poopmake? it's it doesn't exist
Demon's Souls has the better aesthetics, and being turned undead when you die is ugly.
>>739919095I don't get you. Are you worried about how other people perceive the game, so that lowers your own enjoyment of the original...?
>>739918943>You don't believe this, she is not iconic at allYou're wrong. Most people would agree that she is an iconic part of Dark Souls.>No i meant blighttown, there is a shortcut you can use to skip it all including the depths if you have the master key, you don't have to go through it allNope. You still have to descend through blighttown and cross the swamp and fight Quelaag.
>>739918971>heide knights' home was destroyed>but there's an area associated with heide in the game that's still populated, not even exclusively by insane hollows or monsters but actual people you can talk tothis was stupid in the first place
>>739919478Pretending not to understand the point?
>>739919671Dude, I am thoroughly confused. You said Demon's Souls was held back by three things. One of those things being the Remake. So I'm asking how is the original game being held back by the remake when it's two separate games?
The holy three are Bloodborne, Dark Souls, Lies of P
>>739919834The original can never be ported to PC or next gen console because the remake is so embedded everywhere, if a port ever comes it will be a remake, here i spelled out for you you low IQ moron, you subhuman moutbreathing faggot
>>739919671NTA but being obtuse after realizing you said something retarded isn't a gotcha.
>>739919915Oh look the retard speaks. >This is his justification Stay in your basement, autist. You're a fucking idiot and the remake has no bearing on the quality of the independent, original game.
>>739919915That doesn't make any sense...
>I think Demon's Souls is the best Souls gameMost progenitors to successful franchise are objectively, relative to era, the the best -- it's why they became successful franchises.>everything that is popularised, is diminished to pander to the lowest consumer denominator
>>739912496Why do pajeets love championing their objectively shit taste in vidya by plastering homo-erotic imagery over it? I see this happen with Fallout 3 fans too.
>>739917701The only thing Blighttown has over the Valley of Defilement is verticality and how precarious and claustrophobic the level feels. 5-1 is better designed because it doesn't have ladders all over the place segmenting the level and allowing you to cheese enemies. It also doesn't rely on cheap gimmicks like toxic blowdart snipers that are hidden in the dark and fire breathing dogs that are so small certain weapons can't even hit them. Instead, when they play tricks on you like floorboards that break and enemies that play dead, they are telegraphed clearly and can be dealt with without requiring projectiles. One of my favorite tricks they pull is halfway through 5-1 when they put a giant Depraved One far away but frame it so that he looks normal sized from your perspective and it only becomes clear he's twice your size when you aggro him.5-2 is still the best poison swamp From Software has ever created because not only is it huge, it uses darkness to magnify the scale by hiding how big it is and places far away lights and items to guide you and encourage you to explore more. The poison as a hazard feels less cheap than Blighttown because they actually put the merchant with poison healing items in the middle of 5-1 and 5-2 instead of fucking you over and putting her in the aqueduct before the Depths like in DaS. The bottom of Blighttown doesn't even compare because it's so small and you can explore it with no consequences because of the easily accessed bonfire and the bright lighting.The only problems I have with the Valley of Defilement are that the bosses of 5-1 and 5-2 are kind of shit but 5-3 makes up for it. In terms of poison swamp levels, From Software still hasn't surpassed it.
>>739912740Bro, you can play it on PC very easily. If you need to use a controller, you can just plug it into your pc but honestly ds plays fine without one
>>739920381Good point, this was my issue with a lot of aspects in ds1, it takes from DeS and adds nothing, like the iron golem for instance, a ripoff of the Tower Knight boss fight without the depth, a rushed boss fight made to sprinkle at the end of the level, Pinwheel is just an inferior Fool's idol with no traps that punk the player, the gargoyles are just the maneaters
>>739912470Sekiro is not a souls game
>>739912398Back when Dark Souls first released it was a common opinion that DeS was better. To be fair I do think DS1 made some improvements and the first half of the game is an absolute banger but DS1 released in kind of a rough state and even after that was addressed everything after Ornstein & Smough is kind of weak. I considered S&O the end of the game like half a dozen characters, unless I was really having fun with a build. DS1's open world was cool but for just getting my hands on stuff and going straight to the gear I wanted I think DeS's world select has it beat.Frankly I think a big part of why people prefer DS1 is because that's when Souls really became a big cultural thing and it's the one most people started with (before 3) so it had to be the best. Unfortunately as is always the case when a niche thing goes mainstream most people missed the real point of the thing and muh difficulty MLGfags took everything over. Hell, even the marketing for Demon's Souls after it started gaining traction was muh difficulty.
>>739912496Zaki didn't even work on it...
>>739922685Then he should've been ashamed to put himself in the credits. DESU after Dark Souls 3 I don't know why people still see his involvement as a silver bullet, IMO everything after Bloodborne has been increasingly lame.
>>739912398I don't think Elden Ring has a lot of batters out there, by and large it's just obnoxious and bloated.DS1 does still have, in the series, the worst area (dragon butt eyefck lavaland), the worst bossfight (non-quitout/firebomb cheesed Bed of Chaos) and the worst regular fight (Double Sanctuary Guardian after you beat Artorias) and it's amazing they haven't fucked up that bad before or since. Got it all out of the way in the one game.
>>739923575He wasn't involved with ds3, he came in at the end of the development
>>739923575He's not listed as a director on Dark Souls 2 like he is on the other ones.
>>739912398I love Demon's Souls, but this is the most baby's first contrarian take about FromSoft games. Actually, I take it back, that'd be >>739912496>>739916327Based knower
>>739912496The DLC heavily rehabilitated my view on the game despite being disappointed when playing it on release. I also appreciate that they were weren't afraid to try new ideas with it and change some of the core systems so drastically. But the quality of the game is so inconsistent overall and a lot of the new ideas ended up being so dogshit that I can't call it the best.
>>739920973That's actually how i feel about Dark Souls 1, coming from Demon's Souls. And I think when i played Dark Souls 3, it made me dislike 1 even more kind of retroactively, because it was just the same stuff all over again. There's a few others bits and pieces that were in DeS and just re-used again in Ds1. Which on its own it isn't a problem, but they start to add up.
As owner of black phantom with the little guide book I agree it is the best game.>pure bladestonemfw
>>739924852>replaying DeS recently for funsies, just a quick run>black skellie drops pure bladestone incidentally as I was passing through Shrine>feel the cosmic hate of 50,000 anons warm my heart>drop it off the nearest cliff because I don't need it
>>739925047
Only problem with Bloodborne is it needed a more fleshed out hubworld/refuge with guaranteed villagers. I don’t understand why you needed to feel so isolated in a megacity
>>739920973I think maturing is realizing how Dark Souls takes a lot from Demon's Souls and all the praise went for Dark Souls over the years, while Demon's Souls got shafted and forgotten.It also shows that From Software are not as good as their reputation suggested, taking games like Elden Ring and Dark Souls they got the mass appeal but when you dig under it, the games borrow a lot from Demon's Souls, ultimately it becomes a boss rush challenge games for streamers and less about the single player experience with a learn curve and overcoming puzzles.Take any boss from Dark Souls or Elden Ring or even Bloodborne and compare to Demon's Souls, you will notice how in DeS each boss is unique and has their own puzzle like purpose and challenge, contrary to that in DaS and ER the bosses are just more moves and bigger damage, the only thing you need every time is to just dodge their attacks and hit them in the opening window. DeS shows smart game design all over your playtime, DaS shows just improvements nothing is genuinely clever except the interconnected world.And Elden Ring is just quantity over quality, it has nothing, the more years that pass the less value Elden Cringe has imo. Truly overrated game.
>>739925232Did you play the game? everyone went insane or will go insane
>>739912398I have no idea how anyone could think thatThe level design is extremely linear and the world is not even a little bit connected, you just access each world from a hubOn top of that, it has the worst bosses in the series, there isn't a single hard boss in the entire game, I don't think I died twice to any boss, hell for the last boss I had 99 grasses so it was quite literally impossible to die, you have to try really hard to die to a boss in DeS
>>739925425I get that, but from a gameplay perspective, there was no reason to not have 1-2 guaranteed refugees with their own questlines in the cathedral ward. Would not have made the world any less interesting.
>>739925347lol
>>739925547>linearNot true, individual areas all have alternate routes, options, secrets and branches. Not idea how you can look at something like Stonefang Tunnels 2 and say "yeah that's linear".>not connectedWho cares.>I didn't die because 99 grassYou can stack 99 Humanity if you just want to cheese, who cares.
>>739925347The spider, the flamelurker and the storm king are the ones i kept retrying over and over cause i just couldn't get the timing right or some of the mobs took bits of my health
>>739914430I genuinely don't understand how anyone can rate BB that high when it's obviously the worst next to DS2.
>>739925547>The level design is extremely linear and the world is not even a little bit connected, you just access each world from a hubMy favorite part. 'Muh interconnected world' is cancer and the other souls games are weakened by it and its illusion of choice.
>>739918512post one so I can laugh my ass off
>>739912398Elden ring sucks so much, I have no idea why it has such a huge following.
>>739919594>heide knights' home was destroyed>usurpers, invaders, scammers and randoms invade the ruins with easeyou are stupid
where my scraping spear niggas at?
>>739928808open-world = massive normalfag appeal
>>739912398Undeniable truths aren't hot takes.
>>739919865>trying to sneak in dark stools like we wouldn't notice
>>739912398Hot takeWuchang is the best Souls game
>>739930848I wish I could get DeS running on my emulator.
>>739918943>See this is how good DeS is,If how this game manages to be so mid then I agree
>>739912398Actual hot take, i think all of the games are generally enjoyable except elden ring. I dont understand the seething vitriol any of them get, as well as, the masterbatory love that they get save DeS. Although thats really only because i played it when it was new and at the time it was genuinely novel to have a (mainstream) game that was punishing
>>739933869thats not an uncommon opinion
>>739912496it's not the best but it's better than 3
>>739935010Basically every competent soulsclone is better than 3 so that's not a high par
>>739915582Got it on emulator and yeah this is way better. I like the pacing and the world system more than some of the later games
>>739912496Praise the Rat King!
>>739912398armor sets peaked in DeS
>>739912398It's the best on the basis that before it, there was no Souls game. If you played it back when it was released, there was nothing like it.Reddit and normies latched to Dark Souls and claimed it's the best because they didn't play Demon's Souls.
>>739912398>discordant horns for another puzzle boss
>>739938568>normies
>>739938678muh shibboleths
>>739912398this game felt ethereal the first time i played it
>>739941472it's the bloom combined with the fact that the player character's foot steps don't make any noise
>>739912398It's not a hot take unless you are part of the normie avalanche that joined with Dark Souls 1. If you had played DeS first all you could think while playing DS1 is how blatant they were in making the same game but slightly different. Areas, enemies, characters, 80% of the game is just asset flip DeS.And then you have these same DS1 fanboys saying DS3 is just fanservice and DS1 remixed. It's better to ignore whatever 360 zoomer americans have to say about the Souls games.>and Elden RingDS1 at least is a good game, Elden Ring is genuine dogshit so of course it's better than that.
>>739912471what a shit take, "the completed, consistently well produced game is worse than the half baked unfinished pile of shit with occasional gems that is dark souls"
>>739919019>>739919478it doesn't lower my enjoyment of the game, but it's a shame that we now get to see some incompetent studio's horrible remake compared and put next to the same cultural spot as original DaS. imagine if you looked up mona lisa or a mozart song and instead of the actual images of it you would get someone's fucking weirdass remake of it coming up first. don't you think that would be a little annoying and a bit inappropriate?saying "DeS was ruined" doesn't necessarily mean the game is less enjoyable for what it is, but that it was metaphorically shat-on.
>>739912398On some crusty place like this where a whole bunch of sad, wealthy guys virtue signal their "superior taste" to other men like a bunch of simians, this take is safer than two layers of condoms. Kill yourself.
>>739938568>>739941783True, I feel like Dark Souls 1 is such a Reddit game
>>739923919>>739924107Normally I detest frogposting but I think this calls for it.
>pc poors getting excited over playing some old ps3 game lol
>>739916327Dark souls 2 is trash anyway who cares
>>739918268Dude you can pick up a shitty ps3 for like 50 bucks nowadays wdym only playable by emulation
>>739941930Anon, DeS literally has a 6th archstone which was meant to be an area and was never completed... I mean I love it but cmon.
>>739913057>but the bosses are actually all unique and each has their own gimmick and puzzle, so in a way they are actually better than dark souls 1 bosses which are all dodge and kill crap.This is a flaw. Variety is a crutch of developers that don't trust their game mechanics to actually be fun.
>>739918512Kek with those huge manshoulders?
>>739943965yeah but you don't feel like the game is unfinished because it doesn't make go through half baked areas, if it weren't for the broken archstone the vast majority of players would not even realize
>>739943965Its better to cut the content rather than deliver it unfinished.
>>739912398Kings field 4 > Demon souls > Dark souls simple as. The okayish action games that come later can't compete
>>739912398I disagree but I don't feel like arguing about it.
>>739943908>Dude you can pick up a shitty ps3 for like 50 bucks nowadaysDeS copies cost more than the ps3 itself
>>739912398Dangerously based.All tho for me its DaS1,but DeS has way too much (SOVL) to be ignored and not be considered one of the best souls game to ever exist.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3nckWeT-m0
>>739945910So? I got a used copy of des for 20 and a new one for a 100
I like all the souls games except ds2, only issue i have with 3 is that it feels like they added a fuckton of extra bonfires last minute, and the fanservice in places where it barely makes sense. Elden ring is mostly fun because you can completely break the game with OP ashes and spirits
>>739918031Maiden Astraea got mogged by Rennala.
>DeS thread with not one webm of gameplay why it's actually goodshocking
>>739916327
>you only think dark souls is better because it was your first game in the series>but actually demon souls is better because it was my first game in the serieswhat kind of mental illnes is this
>>739912398It has the best level design, story, atmosphere, the tendency system and arguably hub if you exclude Majula maybe. Also comparing it to slop like Elden Shit is retarded
In Demons Souls your brain is your is your best tool, not iframes. You're there, as an adventurer, just trying to make through in a difficult situation anyway you can.
>>739947174>It's the best because *vague non-gameplay slop* reasonsEvery Demons'S Shits take
>>739947098>Königsring
>>739925347Puzzles are fucking lame. That is why people don't like them.
>>739947284It also has the best gameplay focused around exploration, environmental challenges, tension over lack of checkpoints and sense of accomplishment when you figure out the boss and beat them in a handcrafted and important battle
>>739922008>Back when Dark Souls first released it was a common opinion that DeS was better.No it wasn't. DS1 was immediately viewed as a total improvement.
>>739947590You are trying to reason with someone that said level design is "vague non-gameplay slop". They aren't worth your time, they've been raised with brainrot instant gratification ADHD "games", anything that asks their brains to think is automatically rejected, see >>739947526.
>>739928808Actually good combat.
>>739947590The game is too linear for there to be any exploration. You just walk in a straight line the entire time.
>>739947817What deep thoughts did you apply to beating the Armored Spider?
>>739947839>Actually good combat.Spam jump + L2 to stunlock everything to death while your clone takes the aggro.Elden Ring was one of the biggest mistakes in gaming history. Normies and zoomers destroy everything they touch.
>>739947776>No it wasn't.DS1fags and rewriting history go together like porn & nachos.
>>739948401>i deliberately searched a phrase and found people saying itThere are people that will say anything about anything. The vast majority reception when Dark Souls came out was that it was a better game.
>>739948401>cherry picking 3 fags back from 2012.
>>739948697>>739948508>i deliberately searched a phrase and found people saying itYeah the bar I set was>common opinionHave fun proving>vast majority
>>739912496my king. I kneel
>>739948889>common opinionIt wasn't ever common.
>>739912496Literally the only Souls game that I genuinely like and still replay from time to time.
>>739948968Was.Is.Will continue to be.
>>739949068>>739948907I seriously don't get it, everything about ds2 looks and plays like shit, the world isn't interesting at all and isn't even coherent. This has to be bait
>>739949263Is this bait too?
>>739949263some people simply enjoy the taste of shit
>>739949263>hyperbolic retardyeah i'm not surprised you don't understand anything
>>739912398I respectfully disagree.>most of the worlds are bland and boring with 3-1 and world 4 being the only real stand outs. World 1 in general is just bland as fuck also kill whoever made the bridge level>worst swamp in the series (and that's saying a lot)>fuck ass hitboxes all over the place>a lot of ugly armor and weapons>the world tendency stuff was a cool idea but is completely busted now and didn't work particularly great originally. >the soul hp ring rendered the main gimmick kinda pointless within the first levelLike it's fine, a good game even, but I feel like the vast majority of people that try and claim it's the best are simply doing so out of contrarianism or because they hyper focus on the stuff it does well and ignore / don't remember the bad parts because they haven't played it in years.
>>739947913Linear games are the only ones with exploration. Open worlds are just repetitive fetch quest and dungeons slop
>>739950751they hated him because he told the truth
>>739912398>hot take>it's actually the most lukewarm, milquetoast take imaginableNot even worth baiting people with "milktoast" for
>>739917351You're better off not playing it all then
>>739949341>>739949480Enjoy eating shit I guess
>>739919019Just say you don't consider video games art.
>play on release>click to swing sword>MASSIVE input delay>check online>people saying input delay is everywhere, need a gamepad to circumvent it>alt+f4>install best mod, uninstall.exe>still haven't tried it sinceThey probably patched it by now, but who cares?
>>739950751Dark Souls is non-linear. It also has much worse balance than Elden Ring. It also has proportionately larger filler areas than Elden Ring, like Darkroot Garden and Basin that are huge, empty, and simple to navigate. Elden Ring doesn't have any parts that are proportionately such a large part of the game while also being that void.We were also talking about Demon's Souls, that is entirely linear and which you 'explore' by holding forward the entire time.
>>739950751This, but literally.Especially the image.
>>739951959What game are you talking about man
>>739951980>Dark Souls is non-linear. It also has much worse balance than Elden Ring.It also has proportionately larger filler areas than Elden Ring, like Darkroot Garden and Basin that are huge, empty, and simple to navigate.Congratulations, you just discovered why DS1 is the worst. It had openworld-isms that thankfully got reverted in BB and DS3. Don't tell the DS1 fanboys though, they think holding the sprint button for 10 minutes through barren fields until you reach an elevator that takes you back to another area is some kind of genius unprecedented game design triumph.
>>739912398My favourite after ds1Excellent game, I'd play it more often if it was on PC
>>739951461I disagree. I do share the general sentiment that the DeS remake is inferior to the original but even a pale imitation of a really good game is still pretty good. If they'd just port the original I'd recommend that in a heartbeat but AFAIK the distribution rights are still fucked.
>>739952275I liked darkroot, the hydra was cool and finding the secret path with the ladder was a nice touch. Also those cat enemies fuck your shit up
>>739952490Hello? Emulator?Emu + graphics mod, for high res, thats the way to go if u dont own a ps3. Fuck the Snoy Remake version.
You could have just not been a retard, why do you HAVE to say dumb shit all the time? Are you twelve?
>>739952857This.Also, you need to be 18+ to be here.
>>739912398i miss the time before le prepare to die xD
>>739953259This never happened because you just hit the enemy with a big sword or halberd and he dies before he can do anything.
>>739953751it literally happened to me my first time
>>739954127Should have pressed R2
>>739912496just played it again and while it isn't my fav, I like it a lot and way more than 3 (dogshit) and ER (bloated)
What I can't get over with DeS is how much better the textures/normal maps look than what the PS3 can actually deliver on. Night & fucking day difference emulating it even at 1080p.
>>739912398Yeah, it's pretty good. It's a shame that it's unfinished.
>>739954768Im literally watching this nigga's stream vod from his ds2 playthru, and it really makes me want to play ds2 again. Question is, are there any mods worthy trying that add additional content and other interesting stuff that would give u a dif. experience replaying the game from start to finish?
>>739954768DS3 should've had more time in the oven and ER should've had less. If I ever get to meet God I'm going to ask him how much money From paid GRRM to call the magical college "Learnia."
>>739955452https://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls2/mods/978
>>739956286Oh sht! This actually looks pretty cool, i might give it a try.Thank you anon.
>>739912398>>739914430I'd say it's this order:>Elden Ring>Dark Souls 3>Dark Souls>Bloodborne>Dark Souls II>Demon's Souls>Sekiro
>>739944073Yes but singers dress makes you busty af
>>739912398What your favorite souls game is tells a lot about you>desPoser>dasNostalgiafag>das2Contrarian>bbPatrician (or snoyfag)>das3Pvp sweatlord or ultra casual>sekiroMovie gamer (those who know, know)>ERnormalfag plebeian
Honestly, DS2 SotFS haters get the rope. Who cares that it downgraded some aspects? DS Remaster didn't even add anything.Anyway, we are never getting Demon's Souls, Bloodborne, or Duskbloods on PC. Fromdrones get the rope. I...get the rope.
>>739960745i played bloodborne on pc in 2019
>>739953259>i miss the time before le prepare to die xD>comic is quite literally a "le prepare to die xD" jokeAre des fags this oblivious or are they just mad that bamco's marketing got in on the meme just like when corpos started doing "le epic fail" jokes?
>>739915512Yes
>>739941930for half of it Dark Souls is an improvement on Demon's Souls on every department, better and bigger, it truly feels like a sequel
>>739915512How can DeS be the flawed tech demo when the ripoff is the unfinished rushed game, Lost Izalith ??? HELLOOOO!!
>>739912398Extremely tepid take. Only zoomers disagree.
>>739961069this but das2 in comparison to das1
>>739958685Poor taste
>>739960987I do think its funny that at a certain point people will start shilling for King's Field because actually having good gameplay is plebian and real men play bad games and actually just listen to OSTs.
>>739961675Kingshit clones tend to be better games than soulclones
I'm playing through the DS3 ringed city right now after being gaslit for a decade about how it's apparently some of the best content Fromsoft has ever put out and it has cemented my belief that most of the DS3 defenders are complete posers that haven't actually played this shit.This DLC is SO ASS it's unbelievableRespawning enemies, forced cover/stealth sections, the CONSTANT ganks, a poison swamp, thralls, curse enemies, toxic enemies, enemies that have more hp than midgame bosses but come in groups, enemies that chunk you for 2/3 of your healthbar with completely unassuming attacks, a completely linear layout...You literally can not be a DS2 hater and then defend the steaming pile of dogshit that is DS3.
>>739912496It might not be the best, but it aged the best.
>>739962173It's more fun when you're good at the game.
>>739962434is this that new lighting mod
>>739962434>it aged the bestthis is cap
>>739962897I don't know what cap means lil zoomie
>>739961675King's Field's gameplay is very fun unless you think gameplay just means combat.
>>739961675A long time ago I played a KF4 (3?) romhack with improved speed and movement and such and it was really good. It was whatever game had the skeleton basement but that part was replaced with a disco party and the Spooky Scary Skeletons song. The skeletons were still enemies though and I remember them pushing my shit in.
>>739962173I just finished a replay of DS3 and I killed the majority of bosses first try. Even bosses like Midir, Gael, and Friede who I remember struggling with in 2016. Obviously a lot of that is down to experience and muscle memory, so I can't knock the game too hard for it. After all, my fav souls games, DS1 and BB have a lot of bosses that are even easier. But I'm not a "muh bosses" kind of player of these games. My issue with DS3 is this question: If the bosses don't hold up too well, what's left? In the case of DS3? I don't think there is much. Its overly linear, derivative, and has only a few well designed levels
>>739962945it means you're wrong
>>739963243bosses were never the point of soulshit and i'm not sure if the boss rush attitude started with bb or ds3 but either way it has to fucking die
>>739963243You followed a build guide and went straight STR so of course you were OP for the bosses. Shitforbrains.
>>739963670I'm just giving my honest opinion. No need to strawman. I have 100s of hours in DS3. This last run was a quality build sword & board. Used a regular longsword and a small shield for parries. If its any consolation, DS3 is still the most fun I've ever had with invasions. I spent hours in this run just invading and doing covenant shit. I'm still sad how neutered they made it in Elden Ring.
Is the story/setting better than DS1? I don't like how much vague-posting there is in it, or how poorly the lore is represented by gameplay.
>>739963585Agreed. Obviously BB was the beginning of fast souls, but that game has a lot of design choices that align more with earlier games. DS3, in my opinion, feels like the beginning of the bosses obsession. Particularly because that was a lot of people's entry into Fromsoft games, and so they became more attached to the bosses because the game lacks in all other areas.
>>739964148some of my favourite soulshits are what many would consider the black sheeps of the soulclone family like the surge series and lotf2023, but those are because they have such excellent level (and in the case of lotf, world) design that i can't help but to love them. using only one checkpoint throughout a giant sprawling level or going through a level and suddenly realising you've come to an earlier point in the game, that's some kino right there
DeS is a great game and DaS PC edition destroyed all Souls discussion.
>>739912496it definitely had the most fun builds.
>>739912398It's a very typical nostalgia driven take.The games have continuously evolved and improved over time. Demon's Souls is good, but it's very bare bones in some ways compared to the newer games.It's tiresome.
>>739964396>Console war bullshitYou destroyed all Souls discussion.
>>739918031VoD and Blighttown are both badAstrea is good (terrible boss fight though) but pretending the spider bitches are bad and lack story depth is seething retardation
>>739964747>wasn't here to see it in real timeAs per usual.
>>739912398I've never played DeS, this game has linear levels at the end of which you teleport back to the main hub like in DaS2 except it's a separate place from the rest of the world like in DaS3? Doesn't sound very good
>>739964810>VoD and Blighttown are both badBoth are fantastic and the best examples of what a good level should be like. If you don't like them, you never liked Souls games
>>739964872>wasn't here to see it in real timeI got into DeS via a Korean guy through a World of Darkness campaign when I was in college. I was in the threads before the /vg/ split and I saw people like you and Lucifer fuck things up then blame everyone else like women do.
>>739947174>tendency systemAbsolutely not
>>739950751I like freedom like an immersive sim game, like Dishonroed or BG3 or Deus Ex, but i dont lie freedom like Breath of the Wild or Elden Ring, to go anywhere you like is as you said just tiresome, but freedom to approach combat and encounters or at least giving you freedom to choose between multiple different ways, thats the freedom i can get behind.
>>739965034No they're not, blighttown has better design early on before the actual swap, but both aren't very good. Blighttown is actually abysmal though because of the toxic niggers, but even more than that because of how much it tanks framesFROM have never made a good swamp level you shit eating cuckold
>>739961675KF's biggest issue is that its controls are varying degrees of sluggish. Once you adjust to them they're all very solidly designed games.>>739963224I'm afraid most KF games have something that could be described as a "skeleton basement." The easiest way to know if it's KF4 or not is if the rom you emulated was for PS2. If it was a PS1 rom, then it was a hack for 1, 2, or 3.
>>739966256>Blighttown is actually abysmal though because of the toxic niggersThat's a GOOD piece of design you retarded nigger. Challenge in these games used to come from a combination of environmental dangers and smart enemy placements, this is literally what made Souls games good and interesting. Then From started to pivot to wider levels with more checkpoints where the challenge comes mostly from the enemies, culminating in Elden Slop where 90% of the game is flat empty fields you run past with checkpoints every 5 steps and all people talk about is boss slop From pandering to retards like you is precisely why the series went to shit
>hot take>post factweird OP but ok
>>739967413They weren't a challenge at all though you faggot, it wasn't particularly good enemy placement, it was just hiding enemies that could pretty much guarantee your death in darkness while the cure item was rareDeS and Dks1 are my favourites, I don't like Elden Ring anywhere near as much, fuck off with your random strawman bullshit, 5 and Blighttown are just shitty levels and later games bonfire spam or shitty open worlds don't make them retroactively better you moronBlighttown had verticality, that was the only good thing about it, and that was entirely nullified by the fact ir ran ducking terribly on all hardware
>>739967630>They weren't a challenge at all though you faggotThat's why you were just bitching about it like a faggot? >it wasn't particularly good enemy placement, it was just [interesting and unique level scenario]You're such a retard>DeS and Dks1 are my favouritesThey're your ''favorites'' but you clearly don't know what made those games good, levels like VoD and Blighttown made DeS and DaS1 special
>>739967987I'm saying it was shit because it was shit, it's nothing to do with if it was a challenge. If it was a (good not arbitrary) challenge it wouldn't be so shitBlighttown is fucking dogshit and your dropped framerate and bland open swamp aren't special, they're fucking trash.No wonder you love them, you're an absolute spastic, eat shit somewhere else faggot
>>739968297You are a braindead low IQ subhuman lol
>>739962173>what do you mean you added different challenges besides stunlocking braindead enemies with R1???
>>739963243>My issue with DS3 is this question: If the bosses don't hold up too well, what's left?Only the best and most consistent level design in the entire series.
>>739912398I think Dark Souls is better overall but there are definitely some things that Demon's Souls did better like having an actual consequence for dying.
>see some epic powerful enemy in the open world>skip right past itelden snore
>>739968976>nooo why don't you like shitty brown 12fps level!!!!>you're not a true souls fan if you don't think literal shit is the peakLmao
>>739912398I agree
>Dark Souls 2>A pure continuation of the souls formulae.>Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring>The continued degradation of the souls formula due to negative influence from bloodborne trannies.
Some time ago a channel I like featured a game called Queen's Domain. I liked it, I was wondering what other people thought about it.
>>739916062First time on this website? If you don't include bait in the OP your thread dies on page 10.
i dont like bloodborne sekiro or elden ring
>>739969275>Only the best and most consistent level design in the entire seriesI vehemently disagree
>>739969595are you familiar with lunacid and verho
>>739912740>im not buying a ps3 to play the one i never played>but i am buying a ps4 to play the one i already playedWhy buy either system when you can emulate?
>>739970625The post is from 2015
>>739948007I've been with the series since DS1 and I think ER is easily the best game from has made. Maybe you're just an outlier.
>>739912398remember 2017-2021 /v/ where that guy obsessed with EpicNameBro's sister (who ENB totally wasnt fucking on the down low" would spam her in these threadswhere is he now
>>739970682I wasnt even born then
>>739949263its called surrealism, chud
>>739918204The draw distance is fixed on RPCS3 so the valley is less aids while keeping its S O V L .
>>739912398>loved elden ring>hated shadow of the erdtree and think it's fromsoft at their most autistic without anyone to rein them inanyone else?
>>739969275Demon's 1-1 mogs the entirety of DS3's levels
>>739947098>lets butcher the entire lighting engine of the game and how the game looks so we can make having a torch out in the dark areas (less than 10% of the game) look slightly betterLMAO, not doing Shit of the First Scholar any good there buddy.
>>739960508>>sekiro>Movie gamer (those who know, know)SEKINOOOOOOOOO
>>739970807No i don't remember that cause i'm not a faggot NPC who follows coontuber lives
>>739916327Not enough people bring up how ugly Scholar is with the insanely high contrast.
>>739972194neither do i but if you posted in a souls thread that guy would be in there spamming them,
>>739912398>better than Dark Souls 1Respect but disagree>and Elden RingHot shit is better than Elden Ring, not a relevant metric
>>739970581Lunacid yes, Verho no.
>>739963243The bosses do hold up though. Just because a boss isn't difficult doesn't make them bad, otherwise the only game that's even half decent is Elden Ring and every boss in the future should be PCR or Malenia otherwise they'd be shit.
>>739973189I didn't say they were bad. Many of them are really good. They just aren't the main reason I like these games.
>>739967413cool art, saved. And, you are right anon.>>739967630You are wrong.
>>739963243Dark Souls 3 had the least development time out of all Souls games, the game is butchered and patched together just like Dark Souls 2. The original version of Dark Souls 3 was absolute kino, Bandai Scamco ruined it once again. Dark Souls 3 needed at least 1 more year of full development before release.
>>739963670>STR1H Dex Swords are best weapon in the game you poser.
>>739973921>removed corpse bonfire mechanic 6 months from launch>remove frampt/kaathe final boss 3 months from launchwhat the fuck were they doing
>>739974703>removed God Grave zone>removed 2 entry points into Irithyll>removed the design that Stormruler was supposed to be used to kill Cursewood, but also forgot to remove the message on the groundin Yhorm boss room that says this...>removed Bleeding Eclipse Sun serpent invasion end stage of the gameAnd much much more...
>>739912789Too difficult for zoomers I explained this a million times and they still can’t do it
>>739974703>>739974885Let's be real, if they kept all that in without a year of delays, we would've gotten another Lost Izalith or three. Demon Ruins 2.0 was bad enough as is
>>739973921Abyss Watchers being much harder and leading straight to Irithyll would be so awesome, I really dislike that after Abyss Watchers we have to enter Catacombs, always felt wrong and garbage to me.
>>739975206Yep, Bandai Scamco was too powerful at that period and could push FromSoftware around as they pleased, so glad those days are over. I hope FromSoftware reveals Project FMC next week and that it will be their first game they self-publish world wide so Bandai Scamco never gets my money again.Everytime I replay DaS trilogy, I have fun, but know these games would be so much better if they had proper development time, funding and no meddling from Bandai Scamco.
>>739975509>self-publishThey're owned by Kadokawa bwo
just replayed DS2 because I wanted to go through DLC again. it's still so good.
dark souls 3 is easily the worst souls game. it's bloodborne 2 in disguise. they just put a bloodborne skin over dark souls and ruined everything that made it unique.everything after dark souls 1 probably actually is bad if we're being honest.demon's souls and dark souls 1 chads won...
>>739975709Despite BB being my fav from game I agree with this, DS3 should not have played like it.
For me nothing can compare to when I bought dark souls 1 on release the rest were good but it just seemed like they spent so much time polishing ds1 compared to the others.On a side note, I'm playing lies of p and can't tell if the electric circular sawblade does strike or slash damage. It says it's a blunt weapon but there's too much conflicting information. It's all so tiresome...
I have anti ER fatigue.You reactionaries are doing the same thing I saw you do woth DS2 forever ago, and I was right then im right now.
>>739975709>ds3 is bad because it's a reskined bloodborne but the reskinned demon souls is goodThe Cognitive dissonance and the dishonesty of ds1cels should be studied
>>739973352This is the correct take. Souls was always at its best when the "boss" was the level itself and the actual boss was just the punctuation mark at the end. Sen's, Blighttown, Latria, Shrine of Amana, Boletaria, etc. are what stick with you. Not some 9 phase anime duel with delayed rollcatch slop.
>>739975592They self-publish in Japan and have been preparing to self-publish world wide for several years now. Kadokawa doesn't publish games... I think they are more anime related company, despite having some game developers.
It's actually insane from has made 7 goty in a row, essentially. Demons, 1 2 3, Sekiro, Bloodborne, ER
>>739975618FromSoftware will never ever make a better snow zone than Frozen Eleum Loyce, I love this DLC so much. I also love Frigid Outskirts, only low IQ casuals complain about this optional area, it is phenomenally well designed and a mini-puzzle and IQ check.
>>739976861>Shrine of amana the posterboy of unfair rape fest levels
>>739975709>it's bloodborne 2 in disguiseNo, it isn't. It doesn't have the core design elements that make Bloodborne a good game.>>739976317>DS3 should not have played like itDS3 doesn't play like Bloodborne at all. DS3 plays much faster than Bloodborne.
>>739976531open-world sucks and ruins the souls formula, go away secondary.
>>739977186I'd break your head in stupid fucking zoomer
>>739977068IQ issue + Skill issue.Shrine of Amana is awesome.
>>739977186Kill yourself you fake fuck
there isn't a single hot take concerning from software games. Everyone wants to be a special snowflake in one of the most successful franchise in video game history.
>>739976896They're a media publishing conglomerate. They started with novels and magazines for any subject, but also branched out to film, music & idols, anime & manga, games, and even tourism. They own streaming/broadcasting networks like ATX and Niconico as well.
>>739977210I am most likely older than you, no need to get emotional.
>>739977278seethe more ER secondary, you losers will never ever belong, true Souls fans laugh at you.
>>739976861>muh levels are the real challengeYou can have both, challenging levels and difficult bosses if the levels have shortcuts and extra bonfires, so you dont have to make the boss a gimmick puzzle or something painfully easy to beat. Thats why Demon Souls is worse compared to DS1, the inter-connected world with bonfires and shortcuts opening the map is way better and cooler compared to Demon's structure, which was never used again. >levels are what stick with youLol, lmao even. Sounds like a boss that requires minimal skill instantly filters you.
I like all Souls games by FromSoft. My favorite is Demon's Souls on PS3 because of the Scraping Spear and people online being able to freely send hate-mail to me.
>>739977329>>739977383No you aren't cunt Fake fake soulless larper everything you say is in someone else's voice Go back to kiwifarms reddit Twitter whatever whole you came from You are fucking nothing know I won't even read your replies you pathetic husk
>>739977396>bonfires and shortcutsThose originated from DeS, secondary>compared to Demon's structure, which was never used againUntil you acquire the lord vessel
>>739977450>No you aren't cuntHow old are you?>Fake fake soulless larper everything you say is in someone else's voiceStop projecting secondary, I actually experienced Souls properly and have my own opinions.>Go back to kiwifarms reddit Twitter whatever whole you came fromI only ever used YouTube and 4chan, nothing else.>You are fucking nothing know I won't even read your replies you pathetic huskSeething secondary, I really hit the nail on its head with my original comment, lol.
Bonfires in front of a boss are the worst game design ideas they introduced
>>739977493Demon's Souls (2009) is so underrated.I wish FromSoftware had the balls to return to its level-select world design approach again, it is the complete opposite of Elden Cringe.
>>739977646Yes.Why use good level design and clever shortcuts when you can crap out sight of grace and stakes of marika all over the place.Elden Cringe is such a garbage game.
every new soulsclone has that annoying ass 180 hop back so the janky boss can reset its tracking AOE attacks,elden ring killed boss fight mechanics forever
>>739977646>>739977851Tell me with a straight face that you like the runback to Bed of Chaos.
>>739978369Didn't need to do a runback, the boss is stupid easy gimmick, how shit are you?
>>739978369I genuinely do. I enjoy unique gameplay experiences and bosses. I don't care what Miyazaki has to say about Bed of Chaos, it is one of the better bosses in Dark Souls, if Miyazaki doesn't comprehend that, then that is his problem. It offers unique challenge and experience that no other boss offers in Dark Souls 1. Smart players know what tools to use to overcome Bed of Chaos.I also love the runback to Blue Smelter Demon in Dark Souls 2.I also love Frigid Outskirts: >>739977026
>>739977851bosses like melania would have been nerf'd to the ground if you had a to do a proper run back
>>739978738>if you had a to do a proper run backThat is where "clever shortcut" comes into play, you would know if you weren't an Elden Cringe secondary.
>>739978789why do a "shortcut" when i can just fight her again?Why do you like wasting time? Are you jobless?
>>739978945>why do a "shortcut" when i can just fight her again?Why respawn at a stake or grace instead of restarting the boss fight right away?Why have a world or level at all?Just make a boss select fighter game at this point.Elden Cringe secondaries are the worst.
>>739979154>just make a boss select fighter game at this pointThats what wukong did and it shits all over souls games
>>739979257Go play your soulless chinese ching chong game then. People with actual good taste will keep enjoying FromSoftware games. Except Elden Cringe, that is an open-world abomination
>>739979518Bodied that gook
>>739912398I can't rank them. They all do something good but at the same time none of them have ever got it perfect.
>>739912398I got to the end of the game, had my share of PvP and then dropped it and didn't look back. Probably won't ever beat it since the bottom the nexus just contains a pathetic worm.
>>739912398I got to the end of the game, had my share of PvP and then dropped it and didn't look back. Probably won't ever beat it since the bottom the nexus just contains a pathetic worm.Elden Ring is the best one because these games are purely products and just build off each other endlessly until Fortniteslopsouls dropped.
>>739912496I rate dark souls 1 higher than it, but dark souls 2 is infinitely replayable
>>739973921Every souls game dealt with this, Dark Souls 2 was initially a story about going to the past where you meat the young fire keeper
>>739912470Sekiro is a souls game but it's not good.
>>739977002Wouldn't say they are all gotys.2009 is easily demon's souls, the rest of the games don't really compared, arkham asylum is solid tho, the rest not so much.2011 is a top contender but i'll give it for portal 2 over dark souls2014 with 2 is decent choice, but i personally choose divinity for reviving crpgs in a modern way.2015 with bloodborne i agree2016 dark souls 3 doesnt deserve it, i had fun with it, but i'll give it to either doom or dishonored 22019 sekiro is a top contender, but i just love outer wilds more, sekiro is deserved though2022 elden ring, not hard choice but honestly 2022 is a weak year, if it had come it 2023 i'd pick bg3 over it without looking back.so for me: 3 gotys/2 runner ups5 possible gotys2 games i won't pick5/7 - 3/7 not a bad score at all.
Thank Allah they removed world tendency after Demon's Souls
>>739912398Old monster hunter is better than all those
>>739912398This is the only Souls game I have, because some Gamestop employee recommended it to me back in like 2010. I didn't really care for it, and haven't played a Soulslike since. Should I give Dark Souls a try, or should I try to finish Demon's Souls first?
>>739983072Play Elden Ring
>>739983072>Should I give Dark Souls a tryYes.>should I try to finish Demon's Souls first?Yes. Finish it first, u wont regret it.
>>739983072Finish DeS, you don't have to play any of them, Dark souls 1 is a derrivative asset flip of Demon souls, Dark souls 2 is a game from some other dimension, dark souls 3 is what if we casualized demon souls (see pic rel), i recommend playing Sekiro after that since it will be a new experience for you then play Bloodborne then Dark souls 2
>>739920381truthful post; the shanty half of blighttown is very well-designed navigationwise and balanced around estus but is worse off in combat. Blighttown's swamp is pretty lame, much worse than walking through the valley swamp in the rain and seeing the village lights grow closer in the distance.
>>739963585Bosses were always the point of Souls games, you fucking poser.
>>739973189>and every boss in the future should be PCR or Malenia otherwise they'd be shit.This is true. Morgott is the floor for future games.
>>739973921Bosses appearing in the 'wrong arena' in promo footage isn't meaningful. In Elden Ring's promos, you have bosses and enemies placed in random locations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3Huy2cdih0Here you have Lansseax in Caelid, the Bell Bearing Hunter in Stormveil, a Fire Monk boss where Red Wolf is, etc. They just put stuff in locations that look cool for trailers.
>>739964872God, this art is fucking gay
>>739975709Elden Ring is by far the best. Bloodborne and DS3 are the first Souls games to have interesting gameplay. Elden Ring is them but better.
>>739912398Factual and true. I asked From Software and they agree.
>>739978583"Unique gameplay experiences" are a cope that shitty game designers lean on when the basic mechanics of the game aren't fun enough to stand on their own.
>>739964518Played all souls games last year. Demon Souls was the best.
>>739983072Just play Elden Ring.
>>739912398i wouldn't go that far but demons/ds1/ds2(especially dlc) are definitely better than ds3 and er.bloodborne i don't consider a souls game even though i consider elden ring one.
>>739984190Why huff your own farts when you don't know what you are talking about?
>>739984752You're the kind of mongoloid that posts "videogames are... le art" on xitter then attaches a shitty Elden Ring skybox like it proves your point.
At least we can all agree Dark Souls 3 was the worst Souls game
>>739984825You are the kind of tranny who mutilates himself and moves the goal post when caught talking out of his ass
>>739984752Yeah, and Elden Ring had a cut cataclysm system that was meant to reshape a few maps when you played. Like turning Radahn's arena into a pit that led down to Mohg or reshaping the Snowfields. But there's no conspiracy around it. The idea was too ambitious and was dropped. All games have cut or redone systems. Dark Souls 3 having things like certain bosses in different arenas when promo pics or vids were taken is nothing unique. Same with its day-night system.
>>739984862Well, it's the safest, which means it's the most mid.
>>739984492>I asked From Software and they agreenot quite
>>739984939Bloodborne does feel the most complete of all the games obviously built around Miyazaki's favorite bag of tropes. The story is arguably even coherent and doesn't have a thousand loose ends or innuendos driving the plot.
>>739985143>The story is arguably even coherent and doesn't have a thousand loose ends or innuendos driving the plot.Why is there an inbred squid worshiping the spider boss's corpse i just beat 2 minutes ago? what happened to the guy in the intro?
>>739912398Repost from a few days ago butt...DaS > BB > ER > DaS3 > DaS2 SoTFS > Shit > DaS2
>>739984939Miyazaki isn't Fromsoftware
>>739985450They were a borderline shovelware company before him and when he retires they'll go back to that.
>>739985497Mad bitch
>>739985294>intro guyprolly turned into a wolf or got eaten by a wolf >ebrietasShe's explained >rom corpse A loose end. Could argue that it was just another vacuous spider made from a choir member that Ebrietas liked and who later died. Maybe her surrogate child.
>>739985556He's right. No one gave a shit about King's Field or Evergrace or any of that shit and Armored Core only had an audience because mechafags have to play what they get
>>739985364>forgot DSDaS3 > DS > DaS2 SoTFS
>>739912398It's the best souls game, and it has the best broadsword in the souls series. Coincidence?!
>>739919483if it wasnt for her having her tits out she wouldnt be half as "iconic"
>>739985640Grew up playing tenchu before i knew what fromsoftware even is, your kind are the soulless fanboys who love to suck whatever dev and build a cult of personality around him like redditors with kojima, peak NPC behavior
>>739985812>soulless fanboys>while gloating about being a soulless fanboy who plays dogshit slopOk anon, you're right, I can't dicksuck this mid company as hard as you
>>739984432from your comment i jsut know you were born after 2008.
>>739985989Name an interesting enemy to fight in Demon's Souls. Where the moment to moment actual combat is intense and enjoyable. Now compare that to the Lothric Knights in DS3. The latter is just better.
Miyazaki isn't perfect, he can and will make shit when unchecked, proof being he is doing a fortnite-like on switch 2 next
>>739918268I fucking abhor the remake but using any loading screen photos in that collage was a mistake made by a total tourist. FROM got lazy and used Sage Freke's face preset for ALL of them. The loading screens featuring Lord Rydell, Scirvir, Satsuki (and more that I don't even remember) all use Freke's mug. The comparison between two Rydells is simply inaccurate.
>>739985450>>739985556He directed Demon's Souls yet he didn't name it as a favorite
>>739987067see>>739985450
>>739987417see>>739987067
>>739986212People said Nightreign was going to suck and then they made the best combat in the entire Souls series that people became massively addicted to.
>>739987484idk. I thought it was just okay. Its not the type of game I want from them.
>>739987067Demon's Souls was always a compromised product because it started as a knock-off Oblivion.
>>739987484I have news for you
>>739987470see>>739985450
>>739984559Are you talking about the remake?
>>739987685see>>739987067
>>739986105>>739987484>muh combatwrong franchise
>>739983270You are mentally ill.
>>739989023Souls games have like 4 buttons and two of them are for hitting things. The dialog is almost all madlibs nonsense entirely written for atmosphere and the quest design is borderline non-existent. Combat is literally the only thing that makes these games anything other than Screenshot Simulators.
>>739989113The level design with the combat, even though it was/is simple, made me fall in love with it. It's a dungeon crawler, really.
>>739989280>dungeon crawlerSaw this meme answer coming
>>739985812This site is just normalfags and zoomers who judge video games based off of how popular they are now because they are normies, they don't know about the cult fanbase Kings Field or Armored Core had and wouldn't care because their favorite streamer doesn't play them.
>>739989335is it not? there's no open world to explore, no questlines or choices to be made that have an effect beyond what your reward is. yeah, you arent literally in a dungeon, but just because you can see the sky doesn't mean it isnt a dungeon crawler?Kings Field, one of their only other decent series was a dungeon crawler and Demons Souls was a spiritual successor to KF
>>739989405Nice cope, but every faggot ass kid tried to play Armored Core games for the robits and got regularly filtered by bankruptcy and King's Field is literally a TES knock off. If you weren't LARPing as lel unc you'd know this. Fromsoft just pumped out garbage for poor people prior to making MonHunlikes and revisionism won't change that.
>>739989463>Dungeon crawler>with checkpoints >and regenerating supplies>that turbo spergs sprint through and no-hit for internet points Demon's Souls is as close as it gets because you don't have regenerating flasks and you can feasibly screw yourself into a situation that requires farming but it is not a dungeon crawler. These are action RPGs.
>>739989405The problem with these faggots is whoever they build a cult of personality around can't be critiqued and everything he shits has to be worshiped, i see this coming for the next fortnite game he has planned on switch and whatever multiplayer based flavor of the month turd, these soulless cocksuckers will be here to suck him off
>>739989724cool strawman
>>739989773Just let them copejerk each other because they played shit games when they were younger and they think that makes them cool to other anons. They even have to openly admit that all that garbage was "cult" mid-cope which is a big bullet through their foot.
>>739989691>with checkpointsA lot of Dungeon Crawlers also let you save/load wherever you want. Ultima Underworld comes to mind. Daggerfall does the same. Legend of Grimrock does. >regenerating suppliesLike a lot of other games.>turbo spergs I don't really care how people play the game. Just because they play a certain way doesn't mean it's not the genre anymore.
>>739989984>A lot of Dungeon Crawlers also let you save/load wherever you wantOriginal Daggerfall has limited saves so you can't fully abuse them and that's different than dying leading you to simply being respawned mid-dungeon as a built-in failsafe complete with a new stock of heals. You have to actively plan your saves and keep track of them, because those aren't necessarily action games focused on invincible rolls and hack and slash combat.>Like a lot of other games.No dungeon crawler examples here huh.>I don't really care how people play the game. Just because they play a certain way doesn't mean it's not the genre anymore.Not an argument. These aren't dungeon crawlers and this meme answer is only forced on /v/.
>>739990207>examples hereDaggerfall, you can rest anywhere you can want and regen Health, Mana, and Stamina. Any game with resting is included as well, so that would include Opernecia.Vaporum does, from what I rmemeber. I think the Etrian series did so as well? I mean, what do you mean by regenerating supplies at this point?
>>739991246>Daggerfall, you can rest anywhere you can want and regen Health, Mana, and Stamina.You need to make it safe to rest and this is emulating table-top which dungeon crawling originates from. I can see that these other games are also first-person RPGs that actually feature dungeon crawling with maps and resource management beyond a set of regenerating flasks and a couple status items you MIGHT use. These games also don't seem to feature a skill-based rolling mechanic and other action game features like real-time combat. In fact, they seem turn-based like table-top as well.>I mean, what do you mean by regenerating supplies at this point?You're the one moving the goal post here because you can't accept that Souls games are action games with the lightest amount of RPG involvement.
>>739991682>Souls games are action games with the lightest amount of RPG involvement.They are, yeah. I wasn't trying to disput that or anytihng, I just said I thought they were like dungeon crawlers to me. Sorry if you thought this was an argument or something, I just wanted to talk about vidya gaems.
>>739991682>Souls games are action games with the lightest amount of RPG involvement.i disagree that's it light. you choose to ignore the rpg aspects and players threw a fit when from tried to double down on the rpg aspects in dark souls 2, but the rpg elements are very relevant if you choose to engage with them.
>>739992093What are the RPG aspects? Personally i never cared for games calling themselves an RPG just because you have a stat sheet.
>>739985812>tenchuFromsoft only developed Shadow Assault and a PSP port. The rest were Acquire or K2.
>>739992245NTA but I bet you won't call an RPG an RPG unless it's turn based, right?
>>739992245ok well i'm talking about the common usage of the term rpg. if a game needs to be planescape for you to count it then there's not really any point in discussing it since we're coming from different places
>>739925047>>drop it off the nearest cliff because I don't need itSure you did bro
>>739992289yes. pokemon leaf green specifically is the only real RPG>>739992315oh, okay. i just meant that I think you need more than being able to put points into strength to hold heavier weapons. i meant more so in having choices of your character. like fallout, neverwinter nights, and games like that
>>739991995You were literally arguing that combat doesn't define these games because they are somehow, vaguely, dungeon crawlers just because King's Field came first and there's vague connections between King's Field and Demon's Souls. Dungeon crawlers are typically turn-based and even when they're not you're pretty reliant on your resources on-top your ability to step back and forth and bat away at something. In turn-based dungeon crawlers you're especially reliant on your resources and ability to strategize to win encounters and survive the crawl. Even if you can save the game, and if you're poor at choosing when to save the game you can still absolutely screw yourself, and perhaps be forced to reload outside the dungeon to re-evaluate your situation depending on the game.In Souls games you can pop buff items and still typically eat shit because you haven't mastered your 10-13 frame roll or you mismanaged your stamina as you hide behind your 100% phys damage reduction medium shield while also trying to dish out a variety of light combos and heavy attacks because you're absolutely playing an action game first which is why people can complete them without leveling at all or even using the EXP/Money double source to buy things to support a dungeon run. There's no reason to muddy up these genres just because you treasure some of Fromsoft's level design within them when so many genres are already blending together or even being perverted into original definitions like the "Metroidvania" which is just a 2D action platformer with an expansive map.
>>739992093>if you choose to engage with themIt shouldn't be a choice if they mattered. Sekiro is a souls game built out of the same frame as Demon's Souls and your stats are regulated to items you use to upgrade them because combat is the focus. You could do the same thing to every Souls game and they'd still retain their inherent draw, you just make the items upgrade 1 of 4 things>STR>DEX>INT>FAIbecause the games are about skill regardless of whether or not there's easy ways to deal with things. I played Dark Souls 2 and all I ever did was 2hand a blunt weapon and beat things to death while rolling because I knew to level ADP in order to re-achieve the action game.
in dark souls 1 i played a mage build and had to resource manage my spellsin dark souls 2 i played like a bitch with a shield and rapier poking and blocking everythingin dark souls 3 i played a mage build with heavy abuse of the invisibly spell to progressin elden ring i didn't get good against promised consort i stacked resistance to holy with gear and buffsyou choosing to play naked two handed is you picking that as your build. it's not the default or correct way to play, it's simply one option of many.
>>739992467>literally arguingI wasn't trying to.You should take a breather, anon. I don't care that much about this conversation to read all that you typed, so sorry and have a good day.
>>739992650>I want to discuss vidya>but not really, I'm leavingOk anon
that was actually my second dark souls 1 playthrough. my first(which i never finished) i used the black bow of pharis to kill the iron golem and smough. i didn't play an epic rollspam action game i took advantage of my build to safely kill my opponent from range
>>739992668Ha, yeah, I wanted to earlier. You kinda put me off of it.
>>739992637>in dark souls 1 i played a mage build and had to resource manage my spellsYou are still playing an action game using ranged attacks>in dark souls 2 i played like a bitch with a shield and rapier poking and blocking everythingthat's because the idea was to 1-up Dark Souls 1 in difficulty and it was largely ass>in dark souls 3 i played a mage build with heavy abuse of the invisibly spell to progressI got nothing to say, skipped it>in elden ring i didn't get good against promised consort i stacked resistance to holy with gear and buffsI'm not going to pretend this saved you, you just poked at him with a tower shield didn't you>you choosing to play naked two handed is you picking that as your build. it's not the default or correct way to play, it's simply one option of many.It's Elden Ring, you jump in place with two weapons in your hand and use your very generous medium roll regardless of what you're wearing and win. Anything else is just a complication and you >choosing to engage with the RPG aspectswhen it shouldn't be a choice, but it is an action game first
>>739992765What did you do when the bosses got close to you?
>>739992768>argue stupid shit>can't argue your side because it's wrong>back down and lie, claim you just wanted discussion>tuck tail and run
>>739992927Eh, You're more interested in proving I lost an argument than talking about the games themselves, which is kinda my point.
>>739993492You just summed up the majority of my interactions on /v/
>>739993492You are literally refusing to read paragraphs of video game related discussion because you are assblasted over being wrong and you wanted a hugbox where someone tickles your dick while discussing how deeply intricate the level design of these games are when ultimate areas in games like Bloodborne boil down to big circles with ass-rapeable pigs filling them.Sorry the action-RPGs aren't dungeon crawlers and "builds" that consistent of plugging 2 stats with levels until you do enough damage to kill things to don't really constitute "role-playing".
>>739993710>big circles with ass-rapeable pigs filling themkino
>>739993741Fucking blows honestly, and the "run through this shit as fast as you can" area followed by a spider gauntlet before it doesn't really make it any better. btw I'm still waiting for the faggot with the "bow build" that takes 20 minutes to kill a boss to explain what he did when Smough ate Ornstein's corpse and walked at him, or even admit to how he managed to kill Ornstein at all. I imagine he had to summon someone better at the action game than him, or at least summon Solaire since he refuses to learn the basic dodge mechanic.
>>739993710I just don't think we're having the same conversation. I said Souls games feel like dungeon crawlers to me, yet you seem to be arguing against the claim that Souls are literally traditional dungeon crawlers. Those aren't the same statement. You responded as if I claimed Dark Souls belongs in the same genre as Wizardry. Beyond that, I don't really care about "winning" a genre argument.
>>739912398That's not a hot take, that's just bars. This and DS1 had the most focused design, DS3 onward barely hold together coheisevely. It's absurd they are still using shit like weapon upgrades being tiered in fucking elden ring
>>739944039And they are correct, because ER bosses are dogshit
>>739993954You're still here? Didn't you woefully announce your depature?>I said Souls games feel like dungeon crawlers to me>The level design with the combat, even though it was/is simple, made me fall in love with it. It's a dungeon crawler, really.You know I can scroll up in the thread, right? Your attempts to lie and pointlessly save face on the anonymous image board while pretending to not care are fucking stupid and it doesn't matter what something "feels like to you" at all and nor does it matter what your opinion of "roll spamming" is when really you'll eat shit for spamming roll because it has start-up and recovery frames. You know, like a fighting game animation, which makes these games close to fighting games than dungeon crawlers even despite your warped perception of the purposefully ugly ass areas connected by ladders and lifts.
>>739994094The person fluffing up ER bosses is full of shit anyway when you can effectively roll forward in sets of 3 and safely dodge most things any ER boss does, jumping and crouching can almost add flavor to things but you can still just roll almost everything and it isn't even difficult.Dark Souls 1 is a medium shield game.
>>739994153Yeah, I thought I was leaving to go out to eat, but decided to eat some leftovers. Anyway, I don't think I'm lying. When I said "it's a dungeon crawler, really," I wasn't making a strict genre classification. I was describing what aspects of the game appeal to me, which wolud be the exploration, the atmosphere, interconnected areas, and the constant push deeper into hostile territory remind me more of a dungeon crawlers than a fighting game. You're free to disagree, but disagreement isn't proof that I'm lying.
>>739994405You're literally lying about what you said when the post of you saying something different is right there and you're recontextualizing it because it is a retarded statement based on personal vibes that other retards on this retarded board share. Maybe these games feel like dungeon crawls to you because you're so shit at them you're crawling through the game in 100+ hour runs where you die to every boss 100+ times, but that really isn't the case and you are wrong.Every fag on this board pushing this rhetoric just feels hurt when DMCfags or someone bullies them for playing slow, clunky, relatively easy action games where the RPG mechanics only seek to ease the experience for the player as they mooks in a circle and grind to a higher level.Except for in Sekiro where you don't have that option and you must learn to L1.
>>739994705I'm not lying. I just didn't give every bit of information and personal belief in my first post, because I didn't think I was going to have to. I have since then expanded on to that, so... what do you want from me now? I already apologized as it's clear you're very upset. You're inventing these reasons as to why I would enjoy the series, but I told you why. Do that thing you can do where you scroll up and you'll find it. I'm not bad at that series, I know them pretty well and the combat is simple enough you can figure it out and kind of memorize it. It's a rhythm game, really. I don't know where you're getting this about me hating DMC or something, as I enjoyed them way back when I played them. I had more of a struggle with DMC3 than I did any Souls game. But I'm not emotionally ruined by it or anything. And I don't know why you're pivoting into another unrelated argument about difficulty and RPG mechanics.
>>739995161>I already apologized as it's clear you're very upsetApologizing is pathetic of you and imagining me being upset as I slap your ass around the thread for being a retard is doubly pathetic especially as you hang around and pretend to not care.>proceeds to parrot common Souls talking points to hide the skill issueTriply pathetic. Sorry you crawl through these games while getting your teeth kicked in by every other boss. Maybe 10 extra levels in strength would help, surely, since it is an epic dungeon crawling RPG series.
>>739995398Someone who isn't upset doesn't react like that, anon.
>>739995591Why would I "react" any other way to some retard who pussied out of an argument they started and proceeded to back-pedal about wanting "discussion" and then refused to read what I had to say before blogposting about eating sad leftovers and is now coping with reaction images?You're only worth shitting on and you've proven it over and over.
>>739912398It is but only the PS3 version played on a 480i CRT TV.
>>739995753Okay, sweetie. Give me your argument and I will respond.
>>739995882Make an argument against why you shouldn't just put a gun to your head and bring your parent's disappointment to a thunderous climax
>>739975131I did it.
>>739995953not an argument.
>>739995953>calls someone out for posting reaction images>posts reaction image himself
>>739996318>faggot retard who runs on vibes and ambience brow beaten into memerylove to see it
>>739996390Does it upset you?
>>739912398i liked dark souls 1 a lot more.
>hes responding to himself now
>>739996527Is that your final cope, dungeon-crawler-san?
>>739996397Schizo gibberish.
>>739996735>can't readSorry, forgot you're a retard who lies to himself and expects everyone to go along with it too
oh shit, it really is schizo babble
>>739912398better than ds1 is a hot take but better than erthats not too hard even ds2 is better than that shit
funny how DeS becomes popular now that timmy can pirate it on his toaster pc
>(You) deprivationthe finalest cope, enjoy your action RPG, retard/v/ is so embarrassing being populated by these retards expecting a hugbox echo-chamber
>>739996785ad hominem.
The best version
>>739997015>muh fallacy Thought it wasn't an argument, thought you wanted vidjyah diskushun
>>739997069actual schizo
>>739997069Retard.
>>739912496This legit shouldn't be a hot take. It absolutely nails how Souls should play and its actual flaws are minor compared to other games. People who just shit on it are outright ignoramuses.
>>739997171https://youtu.be/6h9ZHnm4zbMhttps://youtu.be/BvYREko9BhY
>>739997154Only schizos with a long list of "schizos" they keep track of call other people schizos on /v/, I'll be another shadowy figure living rent free in your head every moment you post on the board.Poor anon! You'll claim every Demon's Souls thread that Jimbo schizo is there to ruin your good times on vee
>>739997169Which cope is it, NPC /v/irgin retards?
>>739989582Kings Field is nothing like Elder Scrolls, it's more like Ultima Underground and yes, they filtered the low IQ casual kids who played them, which is why they were cult games, I don't care about normalfag opinions. I own these games from when they came out.
>>739997282King's Field is literally a putrid TES clone and TES is already pretty putrid by itself. I don't care how much time you wasted playing shit games.
>>739912496>Rat king>Pirate cove>Magmaland on top of a fart castleTRVKE
>>739912398It's peak..The level designThe weird ass weapon movesetsThe gimmicky bossesStill waiting for Demon's Souls 2
>>739997348The only thing it has in common with The Elder Scrolls is being first person with swords and magic with dungeons being a part of the gameplay, Kings Field 1 came out the same year as the first Elder Scrolls, which was not a big budget success at the time.
>>739997509>Arena comes out>Fromslopware rushes out a miserable copy by the end of the year>but its 3D...and on consoles....so its different and just better!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1HalAnv6HsA history of aping garbage to make worse garbage, what a developer
>>739997594It's much more like Ultima Underground, which was popular in Japan and had been out for a while, nothing like Elder Scrolls.
>>739912398>easiest souls game >best souls gameThere's a pattern here. Challenge fags btfo.
>>739997641>no anon it isn't like that first person bat-at-things slop>it's more like THIS first person bat-at-things slop>it is very important you recognize which slop game Fromsoft is ripping off!>you will NEVER be in my cult of the 3 dozen people who King's Field and actually enjoy it
ultimate filter is enjoying ER Night reign if you are a loner pleb or have a crew of people who enjoy games.
>>739914430I don't get why they never tried to do DS1 world design again. DS1 has clumsy art direction, a mediocre story, jank and boring bosses, but the world is just so much more interesting to explore than their other games.Also, Elden Ring is too low there. Yeah some of the bosses are sloppy and the open world sucks, but it has the best core combat mechanics of any of the souls games.
>>739925347Morgott and Rellana mog every single DeS and DS boss. Having an actual complex AI makes for a much more interesting gameplay experience than a puzzle gimmick.
>>739912398Dark Souls and Bloodborne for me.
>>739948007The way the games buffs and talismans work does encourage a spammy play style. If you play with a consecutive attack build, or just use a weapon where spamming the same attack isn't worth it, you'll see how great ER's combat is. Every single boss gives you opportunities to get charged heavy attacks in, and unlike say DS3 taking the opportunity is actually worth it. A lot of attacks can be dodged with a jump, so you can stay aggressive while dodging, and using light attacks is still worth it to keep up stance damage or your consecutive attack buff. That's not to mention how much more interesting the bosses attack patterns are, they actually react to where you are positioned and what you do, their older games really only gave the bosses a couple of gap closers if the player was running away too much. Parrying is also actually balanced in ER since bosses that would be trivialized by it take multiple parties to stagger. Really, ER's biggest problem is that there are too many ways to trivialize the game with OP builds. The player should not have to think about nerfing himself just to keep having fun. Obviously challenge runs have always been a thing, but even in my first playthrough I had to stop using several weapons because they were trivializing the game (and I still use Blasphemous Blade on the Godskin Duo since that makes it so easy I am effectively skipping that dogshit boss)
>>739949263I like the Arthurian aesthetics. Still, I didn't like the game and dropped it. Never finished it.
>>739967413Holy based...
>>739967630not him but 5 and blighttown are pure unfiltered kino
>>739975509Fromsissies love being bullied by bamco cock
>>739975709Bloodborne is godtier. Level design is top notch and it does away with retarded estus. You must not have played it
>>739982835World tendency was dope, you're just a shitter
>>739984432LOLWUT
>DeS: Best environments>DS: Best world inter-connectivity>DS2: Best DLC and Spell/Weapon Variety>DS3: Best Boss Fights by Amount>BB: Best Weapons and Lore>Sekiro: Best Combat>ER: Best CustomizationI just fucking like them all, bros
>>739983929>ds3tourist outing himselfkek
>>739984752Goddamn this looks like shit!!! I'm glad they finished kinosouls 3 and turned it into a masterpiece
>>739986308Freke is just that handsome
>>739997734Well, one game is about exploring a massive open world full of maze like dungeons where you collect loot, while Kings Field or Ultima Underground are focused on atmosphere and exploration but you are too retarded to notice the difference.
>>739998957Wrong, here is the fixed version:>DeS: Best atmosphere, best swamp zone FromSoftware ever made (Swamp of Sorrow)>DaS: Best non-linear inteconnected closed-world design ever made, best lore and theme out of all FromSoftware games.>DaS2: Best customization, build variety and PvP. Best snow area FromSoftware ever made (Frozen Eleum Loyce)>Bloodborne: Best weapons, best OST, best surprises and creativity. Used to have the best bosses and combat, until it was defeated by Sekiro>Sekiro: Best combat, Best bosses, Best characters.>DaS3: uhm... it is okay...? best references I guess to both DaS1 and DaS2... yikers.>ER: open-world slop garbage.
>>739998959Not even DaS3 babies are that retarded, that anon is 100% an Elden Cringe secondary.
>>739969402>Reeeee why isn't this open world game forcing me to interact with every single enemyFuck off back to DSII where you belong.
>>740001818>elden tourist thinks he can dunk on das2grim
>>740001854DaS2 is dogshit
>>740001864Not that anon, but you will always be a secondary Elden DOGSHIT Ring normalfag, we true Souls fans spit on you and laugh at you losers, you will never ever belong.
>>739912398Elden ring is so overrated. from has made better games previously
>>740001957Kek true soulsfans realised DaS2 was unredeemable trash on release and played bloodborne instead
Each souls game was good on release , the only one which really stands today out is Elden Ring
>>740002238>not playing bothGrasping hard like a true Elden DOGSHIT Ring secondary normalfag.Sekiro > Bloodborne > DaS2 > DaS:PTDE > DeS (2009) > DaS3 > Nightreign > Shit > Elden DOGSHIT Ring
>>740002342I'm just going to leave you alone because having taste this bad must be suffering enough
>>740002342tsmt
