Fire Emblem is a B-tier series in the SRPG genre. It was the best of its time when its peers were FFT and Langrisser, but with the rise of XCOM, Troubleshooter, and RC Bakery in the past decade, the genre has surpassed FE.
Troubleshooter that good?
>>739915750Yes
My favorite fire emblem is the forest emblem where the person gets mad and bans people talking about a video game on the video game board.
who plays fire emblem anymore...they appeal to troons too much now
>>739915859>now
>>739915750No
Big Javelin so mad at being exposed they blew up the thread.
>>739915969Fighter bros also were winning too hard for janny's liking
>>739915876well since three houses. the signs were there since fates. they went all in with engage though and that's why no one played it
But is 70 percent hitrate a good thing or not?
>>739916069It's good if it's for a risk I take, and bad if it's for a risk I don't take.
>Troubleshooter>RF Bakery
>Replaying PoR>Mordecai and Lethe show up>Run through like 5 guys each>Lethe proceeds to 1v1 an armor knightWhy does the game pretend she can even hurt one?
>>739916146She can hurt them on normal mode
>>739915687None of the games you are comparing are remotely similar. Trying to say one SRPG/TRPG is better than another is moot when they all have significant enough gameplay differences to appeal to totally different people.
>>739915687Some of the GBA romhacks are A-Tier games, though. It's much like with Pokemon. The potential for greatness is there, but Nintendo always fucks up something about the game or other, and also makes it for babies.
>>739916652GBA FE romhacks wish they were even 10% as good as Pokemon romhacks. They're all tranny garbage with zero innovation and all using the same exact portrait splices where you can obviously tell which GBA character was used as the base.
>>739915687>Rise of X-comX-com's almost as old as FE is.UFO Defense has been top dog for 3 decades and still hasnt been toppled.
>>739916652ROMhacks are even worse slop than the official games
Everyone post their best map design idea and once we hit 20 let’s shit out the romhack
>>739918903Castle defense map against enemies with siege tomes and weapons that ignore terrain so you can't just park somebody on the throne
>>739918903Let's just copy-paste some of the best maps in the series and call it a day.
>>739919021My idea could go after yours. I posted it yesterday where you have to capture the macguffin from the castle treasury then escape while getting hounded by reinforcementsOh never mind you said defense so mine will be some other random chapter
>>739918903We already have a /vfeg/ romhack
>the sole survivor of the nohrian war due to how reinforcements enter the map
>>739919929We don't have a good one, just a few cheaply rewritten lines and sprites
>>739918903but we already did that with engage
>>73991890364x64 size
>>739916059?Engage had a trap character that is treated as a man by the game's own mechanics. I've only seen troons bitch about it.
>>739915687Damn, 46 years of the SRPG genre, and the best we have is XCOM Troubleshooter and RC Bakery
>>739918903BIG EMPTY FIELD RANDOMLY PLACED ENEMIESI'M A GENIUS
>>739916059>since fatesNewfag, FE RD had literal gay characters.
>>739920661>in faggot headcanons*
thoughts on wanting to fuck fem alear now?
>>739920697Heather is canon, retard.
>>739920661if you could read it says appeal to troons. having gay characters doesn't mean appealing to them like they do now retard
>>739918903Player Ballisticians
>>739918903A thracia fog maze with trap room teleport tiles and Enrage/sleep/petrify/silence/tina's steal staff mages who have infinite range and staff usage. The chapter boss also instantly crit kills the first unit that initiates combat with it each turn
>>739920661NTA, He's talking about that one lesbo that no one remembers from Radiant Dawn kek. Cmon don't be a downie it's very obvious they've gotten way more gay now with their 'everyone is bi' shit'
Nino!
So, thoughts on the leak?
>>739921648Nino
>>739921521>everyone is biThis doesnt even feel gay since everyone is just (you)sexual
>>739915750playing it now, 80 hours in. FUCK yes it is
>>739915750It utterly mogs FE.
>>739921975>>739921990Why the hell is yunaka in it?
>>739921956Still gay but kinda true I guess. Got a feeling that in the next one it's gonna be that everyone really is bi tho
>>739918903A sheep-herding simulator where you have to escort green soldiers down a large corridor while flying enemies keep spawning and coming in to gank them.
>>739915687To be fair, the ones you named are all the only ones that are able to contend with it. FE still mogs most of the genre.
>>739922045Irene mogs Yunaka as well.
>>739921990People always say this about games that dont give me what I like about fe.
>>739921883>brown leaki didnt care lol
>>739922204yeah it won't give you what you want from FE. but it's still fucking God tier and you should play it if you like the genre and not just FE
>>739922197Lmao no, she gets tit mogged hard by yunaka
Fire emblem was never good and it's time to accept it
>>739922204It doesn't have to give you exactly what FE is, it just has to give a shit about the tactical gameplay on the maps and not in the menus. That's the bar that separates shit SRPGs from good ones.
Jagged Alliance 2 is still the gold standard
>>739922045you mean why the hell was Irene in Engage?
>>739922252Flat is Justice my melanin enriched friend.
>muh maps
>>739915750I'd rather play Mystaria/Blazing Heroes
>>739922358>god I can't believe you fags actually care about having more than just empty squares
>>739922197>>739922252Let's be real Giselle titmogs and is the best.
>>739922461Anne flatmogs and is the best actually
>>739922456Guess what the most popular fe map is
Flat?
>>739922503Anne is a low quality loli unfortunately
>>739922602Sadly this is irrefutable, even to me, a genius at the peak of my intellect.
i think feg troons should go back
>>739922826Why haven't you troony?
Marriage with Marianne!
>>739922559flatwi is sexy and she was to me at 14 when i played for the first time as well
>>739922535Conquest 10?
>>739922898For the last time, Dorte. Humans and horses cannot legally or morally marry under the church of Seiros.
I'm biting the bullet and pirating Troubleshooters
Can we talk about the leaks instead
>>739922998Does it have any porn mods?
>>739915687Advance wars surpassed it from the very start, FE only gets by on waifus.
>>739922998Is it really biting the bullet if you're stealing it though?
>>739922898>marriage for horse fuckerswhat did the troon mean by this?
>>739922998You can't pirate it, that's like, illegal and stuff!
>>739923162I want to rape chibi Veyle!
>>739915687>XCOM, Troubleshooter, and RC BakeryNo thanks I'm not interested in western games
>>739921125>those pumps
>>739923096We can't fill an entire thread with a conversation about two measly artbook pages of generic enemy designs.>>739923112AW is based but it doesn't belong in this conversation. It's not an SRPG, just a strategy game.
>>739923108How tf should I know? I haven't even played it yet.>>739923121It still represents an expenditure of unrecoverable time and effort on my part for a CURRENT YEAR game which is a highly risky proposition.
>>739916146Good ol' ludonarrative dissonance. The funnier part is that you can easily get them killed on the next map before you even officially recruit them.
>>739923213The last two are Korean and chink not western
>>739923396X-Com is British, which is a part of the middle east.
>>739923096We tried that and that's why this thread exists. Because the last thread got jannied. So bait posts it is
>>739923096What's there to talk about?>punchbros are back>uhh... and punchsissies too, I guess>brigand look like Merrin
>>739915687/v/, what are the best FE and FElike games to play right now? Does FF tactics mog us?
>>739923534>Best FETH>Best FE-likeValkyria Chronicles
>>739923429Kek
Sex with brigand Merrin
>>739923162I pirated Engage and then bought a copy because I loved it so much.
>>739923534There's not a lot of FElikes at all, to get your fix outside the main games you either have to go to the notFEs Kaga made, the romhacking scene, or Dark Deity 1/2 and Lost Eidolons and those latter ones are all kinda shit. >>739923576How is VC anything like FE?
>>739923630>I pirated EngageMAY YOU BE CAUGHT
>>739923576maybe if you're a 3hrt
>>739923576>Valkyria ChroniclesYou wot m8 VC is usually considered not anime xcom if anything
>>739923576>Valkyria ChroniclesMan, I love that series, but it has almost nothing in common with FE besides the genre. It's not even on a grid.
Reminder that every currently dead SRPG franchise, especially Valkyria Chronicles, would still be alive today if they added dating and shipping mechanics like Fire Emblem. The people have spoken, strategy isn't important, fucking anime girls is.
>>739915687>It was the best of its time when its peers were FFTLOL
>>739923112I like having characters and not faceless units
>>739923902Save a post that good for the next OP!
>>739923902Sakura wars had it and it's dead tho
>>739923993No amount of waifu romances could save gameplay that bad.
>>739923902Fortune's Weave will kill Fire Emblem on consoles. Mobileslop from here on out.
>>739923993Sakura Wars was never properly exposed and marketed to the West.
>>739923902True enough, Valkyria Chronicles is absolutely fucking STACKED with fuckable women. Very wasted potential. I'm surprised it doesn't get more fanart.
>>739923993Sega was run into the ground by poor management.
>>739924587Time to load that save state fren
>>739924587>parkedcar.webm
>>739924587Lucklets... when will they learn?
Who's your favorite scrimblo you always bring out no matter how shit?
>>739924795Marcus
>>739924795Marisa
>>739924795Nino
>>739924795the lolikeets
>>739923162Evil Veyle would pirate games.And play Heroes.
>>739924808Bait>>739924820Based>>739924853Cringe>>739924860Based Department is on the line sir
>>739924893Evil Veyle would mock FEHfags while schlicking to Kurt.
>>739924941Evil Veyle would mock FEH players, but still play FEH and get angry at the game.
>>739924795the best swordmaster, ignore her class
>>739924795Mia!
>>739924795I feel like any answer I give will be met with someone saying "they're not a scrimblo!"
>>739925193inhumanely based
>>739923242>a CURRENT YEAR gameit's over 6 years old
>two threads
>>739925424let me guess, its a 3hrt one
>>739925193Sweaty tomboy pits...
>>7399254453hrt
>>739925424>>739925445This thread had too much highbrow gameplay and SRPG genre discussion for 3Hfags.
3hrt are mentally ill what else is new
>>739923902Genuinely the problem with VC is that they kept insisting on making new rosters with every title instead of making a bullshit AU scenario where self-insert-kun can fuck best girl
>>739920661Navarre and Ogma have been gay with each other since FE1
>get incredible momentum with the release of three houses>fuck it all up by releasing the vtuber vomit that was engagedoes feh make that much money that ISIS can act this retarded?
>>739925659kys fujo
>>739924587I had the exact same thing happen to me on the exact same enemy
>get normalfag and troons onboardno thanks
>>739925685It did. Then IS filled FEH with Engage banners, and now it only makes a fraction of what it used to.
i think ISIS should gatekeep harder with engage 2
>>739925354is this supposed to be Amelia?
FE lost its dignity. It's dead.Play Troubleshooter et al.
>>739925740It would be hilarious if FW releases just in time to qualify for CYL to keep cucking Engayge.
>/feg/ troons arrived to bring up their shitty gacha and Engage derangement syndromeGood thread while it lasted.
>>739925424first day on /v/? FE is allowed 2 threads up 24/7/365. but once a game is 2 weeks old it's time to pack it up and move it to /vg/.
So should we fire up a Troubleshooter general bros? Sounds like the vibe is shifting that way here.
>>739915687>troubleshooterNice try not falling for that garbage again, it's so goddamn wordy AND easy.
>>739925943it's literally one guy
>>739925827Jotunheim Amelia, who was also a General beforehand.
>>739925943We love Troubleshooter but it doesn't have the momentum to keep a general.
>>739924795Norne
>>739925948this dumbass played on normal lmao >>739925971cope tranny, there are at least 4 of us itt and i'm playing it as we speak.>>739925943>>739926009there's a general on /vst/ it's just pretty slow obviously
>>739924795The green haired bow shitter
>>739926092You're gonna have to be more specific, anon
>>739926113The one the relays always spite kill
>>739926150>relaysFaggotry. Gonna assume you mean Wolt.
>>739926076>there's a general on /vst/ it's just pretty slow obviouslyNice, I'll head over
Gameplay?
i've been neglecting beasts, my teams around level 40-45, where should i go tame a decent beast at?
>>739926587posted in the wrong tab but feel free to answer me troubleshooterchads
>>739926390Go on
>>739918903ok here is my map. it took me 1 millions hours to make. you have to deploy on the boats at the bottom. the top right castle spawns reinforcements every 3 turns. at the start of turn 4 a player reinforcement spawns on the far right village and blows up the bridge. at the start of turn 6 an allied force spawns from the top left and captures the castle. enemy formations with ballistas start on all of the 3 ridges at the bottom plus on the bottom left cliff, but if you kill an enemy on the cliff all of the ballistas retreat.
>>739926587you can get drakis around that level if you find their secret nest. their side mission is level 44 once you find the secret nest. ice timas are probably the best timas since they are tanky
>>739926701aryan effortpost award
>>73992670110/10 I laughed
>>739926701That's a huge map
>>739927481
>>739926701needs more trauma dump
>>739918903Let's make a rout map where you have to kill a bunch of dodgy flying enemies that multiply themselves every turn and you have to traverse every corner of a large cave with Gaiden swamp terrain in the middle to slow your units down. No, you can't deploy any fliers.
How many angelic robes should I buy in Ch16 of FE6?
>>739918903Seize throne, but the boss is invincible and has to be pushed off the throne with something like an Engage smash attack or one of the gambits in 3H. The boss also has personal skills that make it extremely unlikely to hit unless you manage a hit rate of 100 via supports.
>>739927706As much as you can, but only after you bought your needed promo items
>>739927859That's literally just an arrive map with an extra step
>>739929470Yeah, my idea behind it was a somewhat early map in the game to test if the player understood basic mechanics like smash and support hit bonuses as well as if they're checking enemy skills.
>>739915790>>739921975>>739921990I bought it cause it's 70% off. You better not be lying.
>>739915687>the rise of XCOMXCOM has been a dormant series for like the past 8 years
Man, River of Regrets is so much easier when you ritualistically sacrifice the youngest green child unit.
>>739930158just bear with the slow start, it's worth it
>>739931115
The shove skill should let you crash enemies into each other.
>>739918903Defend, but one guy starts on the throne and everyone else starts on the edge of the map.
>>739918903Map with shifting warp tiles but they effect the enemy as well
>>739930503Yeah but XCOM has a shit ton of clones that have kept its type of SRPG style alive.
>>739915687Hey Guy, take a load off buddy relax!
>>739931576Isn't this just BBD?
>>739931240Alright, I overwrote my save when prepping for the next chapter. That child has canonically died. I didn't get anything for saving the rest, so next time I will just use the greens as bait.
>>739915687But none of these are set in anime fantasy worlds ruled by superhumans with unusually-colored hair, so they can't replace Fire Emblem.
>>739932939You don't deserve that Rescue Staff.
>>739931853clones such asand
>>739932036Idk what BBD is.
>>739938347He means the protect Zephiel chapter of FE7.
>>739932036>>739938658Thracia chapter 13 is a more accurate comparison.
I recently finished Shadow of Valentia, it this the Fire Emblem with the worst maps out of all other games?It had so many maps with only 1 choke point where everyone needed to go through. Fuck that sand map from pic related too, everything was made for flying units.
>>739932969This desu, I dont want guns, I dont want realism. I want anime dudes with swords and magic
>>739939549Echoes' maps get bashed a lot but most of them aren't bad to play. They're just overly simple.Awakening has much worse quality maps.
>>739915687I'm pretty sure nuXCOM is dead
needs more engage girl posting
>>739926113All of them
>>739944963even RD rolf?
>>739923162
is the pugilist class leak true?
I like good units. I like that they're strong and useful even if some of them can be boring.
>>739915750Seems like a million times more grindy than FE, which again just proves people have no idea why FE is popular.
>>739946779None of the grind is required to beat the game. It's the equivalent overkill of doing memebuilds in Awakening where you go through seven different classes just to win more.
>>739946535Yes
>>739915687>waa waa my Mario side character didn't get into stinky bros
>>739947220Comparing your game to Awakening does not make me want to play it.
>>739946535We don't really know but it looks real.
>>739940183>Echoes' maps>most of them aren't bad to play(lol
>>739947669That's okay, you wouldn't enjoy it anyway with reading comprehension as bad as yours
How did they end up making a girl better than everyone else in the game including the main character, the empress, the giga stacy, and the camilla rip off?
>>739948953I dont think watermelons have horns or braids
>>739915687Imagine being so wrong
>>739948739Sorry I just can't take the shills seriously when you're so hyperbolic in shitting on the series your game is supposedly supposed to have the same fanbase for >>739915687 >>739921990. You don't even bother trying to explain how it "mogs" FE. You just declare it and historically it's never true.
>>739948953Best girl can be hard to predict sometimes
>>739948953calm down anon
>>739949148*game is supposed
>>739949185
>>739949242stfu, id rape ivy too
>>739948953>black character has a retainer named after melonsWho wrote this script? Framme?
>>739949490>>black character has a retainer named after melonskek
Are flying wyvern mages just too strong?
>>739949573only if they are females
>>739949573>Dark Flier, but slowNot in Ivy's case. There's nothing all that Wyvern-like about her in a good way, just all the stereotypically bad wyvern traits. She uses limp-wristed staves and tomes and her fat ass weighs her serpent down.
>>739949490>framme when the new game is 90% timmeras
>>739949663Wyverns seem really strong in most cases>>739949736Ivy has lots of ways to shore up her weaknesses and I've never felt betrayed if I invested in her. She's a little slow but can sped up in a number of ways.
>>739942929Yup, Firaxis fucked up Civilization beyond belief and the guys that made nuCOM what it was also fucked off from the company.
ii want ivy to break my lance with her axe
ivy + goldmary paizuri
>>739939549Yeah, by far. Gaiden was always made fun of for being dogshit, it’s like kaga made all of those maps before FE1 while brainstorming then was forced to release them after FE1 did well. There are like 9 different 1 tile choke boat/bridge/gate maps, it’s crazy bad.
>>739949663Camilla is busted even if she didn't have magic though. It's just Wyverns in general that are busted.
>>739936405>>739942929>>739949954>Phoenix Point>Xenonauts>Xenonauts 2>Hard West>Hard West 2>Troubleshooter>Marvel Midnight Suns>Star Wars Zero CompanyAnd those are just the big ones, there's probably smaller indie ones I'm forgetting. X-COMfags are eating more than well.
>>739948953>>739949490>Uncultured swine think its melon and not meringue
>>739951468 im pretty sure the merrinfag knows about merrin
>>739948953>How did they end up making a girl better than everyone else in the game And who would that girl be?
>>739951641loli Anna
>>739915687We need to round up and gas all the FFT diapershitters.You do not play the genre.You are the ff7 fags of the sprg genre.
>>739951298There’s the two Warhammer XCOMs as well. One of them released last week. Tactical Breach Wizards is also XCOM-like, but that is more of a puzzle game because the whole game is like 1-2 turn scenarios with a couple of units against a couple of enemies.
>>739951664Lolitanna should have caught on
>>739951667Are you implying FF7 is bad? It’s very fun and memorable. 8’s the dogshit one.
>>739951828No Final Fantasy is good
>>739951667>>739951853kill yourself you contrarian faggot
>>739951853And what JRPGs are then? Stop being a schizophrenic contrarian because there have been enough variations in the FF genre and tone to cover pretty much everything about JRPGs.
>>739952135>And what JRPGs are then?Not many. I would say Trails and SMT have the best track record of all of the big-name series I've tried.
>>739952283I mean those are both fun too but I don’t see how you can say all FFs are dogshit without being a contrarian if you just named a dungeon crawler with minimal plot and a coming of age story with insane amounts of SoL scenes
>>739952283you're a fucking retard. there's no explanation for liking Trails and saying there is no good FF game aside from pure unfiltered contrarianismtie the noose already you fucking fag. i bet you haven't even finished 2 Trails games either
>>739915687Agreed. Only the first one, and Thracia up to 8 are good games. The very first game is surprisingly playable for a 1990 strategy game.
>>739952628What's wrong with FE3?
>>739952513FF has extremely boring and braindead gameplay. The ones I played had nonsense stories, too. I really don't get what there is to like coming from someone that doesn't have nostalgia from playing it as a kid or whatever.
>inb4 its the retard that thinks that fighting any random encounter more than once while exploring is "grinding"
>>739915790>go to buy it cause 70% off >already own it>0 hours played Am I retarded? Why do I keep doing this to myself when im drunk and high buying games and never playing them
>>739952853Random encounters are a shit mechanic to put in SRPGs in the first place.
>>739952916in this case your intoxicated self did you a favor. game is kino
>>739952919I hate all random encounters in all games. So annoying and dumb
>>739952554I've played FC, SC, Third, CS1, and CS2. I burned out halfway though zero a couple years back though.
>>739952853Your favorite games are bad. You have bad taste in video games.
>>739952982Downloading now but ill have to play it after I finish this Korean srpg I bought friday, stardust. Overall im finding the amount of trpgs/ srpgs to play right now is in a great spot. Lots of choice.
>>739952997t. has never played Strange Journey
>>739953081how's Stardust? i'm just learning about it from this post
>>739952803You can say the exact same thing about Trails and SMT because the gameplay is 99% equivalent. Spamming earth wall clock up and white gehenna or the demon’s weakness for a second turn (which remains the same in every atlas game) is not something it takes a genius to figure out.
>>739952919Good thing those games aren’t SRPGs… do you have some sort of mental problem?
>>739953029>>739952997>>739952919Any form of mild friction and you start crying up a storm. No wonder /vfeg/ is easy to bait.
>>739953158Its good, cute chili pixel art if you enjoy that art style. Story starts out really chill (main characters just want to join adventurers guild and be a hero!) And it gets darker / more adult. Core gameplay loop is like, wake up, go to guild and watch cutscene / get story for next quest, fuck about town for a little then leave town which takes you straight to another combat. Not like a whole lot of exploring to do, pretty guided in that way. But im finding the art and voice acting charming (ive never played a game with Korean only voice acting) and the gameplay engaging to try and build movesets that give you long combos. The "abilities" your character can do are presented as cards, but its not a deck builder - you always have access to every card each turn so its really just your skill set. Last thing: its not super difficult (yet) im only in chapter 3 but unless it changes later its a low moderate difficulty.
What would it take to make a SRPG that mogs the FE series?
>>739953289Didn't realize you were referring to the guys talking about JRPGs because you didn't quote anyone you retard. If you don't quote anyone, it's common sense to assume you're talking about the general topic of the thread instead, which is SRPGs. Next time, stop being a little bitch and reply properly.
>>739953369Chibi not chili, sorry
>>739953224>You can say the exact same thing about Trails and SMT because the gameplay is 99% equivalentIt simply isn't. You're being very reductionist trying to elevate FF gameplay into being something on parity with a game like IV Apocalypse, which just obviously isn't true to anyone who's played these games.
>>739953373Having real map design.(Note: Many SRPGs fail this simple task)
>>739953224>He says while praising a series that inevitably devolves into letting a handful of juggernauts handle 95% of the combatRPG and all of their derivatives are generally not that difficult or complex.
>>739953373Map design at least on par with random FE maps, to begin with. For some reason, only IS knows how to make proper srpg maps.
>>739953308That was my first post on the subject, you're replying to multiple people. You're the one who is easy to bait.
>>739953483>create the most complex map>it doesnt matter because enemies dont threaten you, so its more about dealing with whatever map gimmick the devs decided to cook up
>>739953369thanks i like the art so i downloaded the demo
>>739953512You already fell for the bait little bro.
>>739953580>enemies dont threaten youPlay non-GBA/PoR emblem already.
Hallmark of being a fan of a shit game is that you don't defend it on any level and instead try to attack everything else so you can pretend we're *all* rolling in shit.
>>739953373The problem with this genre is that its fans see opacity in systems as a virtue. The amount of goddamn mouthbreathing retards who think Unicorn Overlord would be improved if it hid the forecast from you is testament to this. Players really like it when they don't understand the game mechanics. Gameplay should be so complicated and mystifying that no one can figure out the combat formulae without datamining the game.Until SRPG devs and fans get real and realize simplicity is art, nothing will change on the whole.
>>739953449It obviously is true to anyone who has played those games unless you somehow think clicking the electric button on a water demon or fire button on an ice demon is hard
>>739953614Yeah man I hope u enjoy it but nbd if not everyone has their own tastes
>>739952853>random encounters are not grindingWhat else do you call an endless supply of fodder enemies whose only purpose is wasting your time?
>>739953771I don't think you've played the game I'm referring to, frankly
>>739953685You want an additional table in a hallway bro, you have terrible ideas
>>739953647FE4's enemies are not dangerous.FE5's enemies are generally not that strong outside of cases like Galzus, Reinhardt and that guy in Dadgar's gaiden. The difficulty in 5 comes from several other things.RD's difficulty is wildly inconsistent and mostly concentrated in the DBs.Do you want me to go on?
>>739953823My ideas align with the best-selling games in the genre, so maybe you should fix your slop and it wouldn't be a dead series with shit grindfag gameplay.
>>739953820he obviously hasn't, the game would rape that faggots asshole until it bleeds. which is impressive considering the beating that thing usually takes.
>>739953494>only IS knows how to make proper srpg mapsI really hope this actually ends up ringing true for FW.
>>739953853Are we pretending FE4 doesn't have threatening enemies?
>>739953820Nice cope, I’ve played SMT 3, SJR, 4, 4a, and V and they have the same demons in the same order with the same weaknesses and the same skills and a 99% equivalent “hit weakness to get an extra turn” system
>>739953964>The very last fucking map of the game
>>739953853FE11/12 Hard modes? CQ Lunatic? Engage Lunatic? Hell even Awakening and 3H, despite not being too strategically sound, have threatening enemies. Also the difficulty coming from other things in 5 is fine, the point is that it's there alongside the intricate map design.
There are only 3 enemies that can even kill someone in PoR: the black haired laguz that sells the dancer, the black knight, and ashnard
>>739954026The point is that map design by itself is not all you need for a good srpg.
>>739953969I think 4a on War difficulty would rape you pretty hard if your view of the combat is so simplistic. And I don't think it's even terribly hard, but compared to a mindnumbing experience like FF it may as well be battle toads.
>>739954117Yes that's true but it's usually the one area that most SRPGs are most lacking in, so it's the proper answer to the original anon's question.
>>739953814Next you'll say that rout maps arent interesting like the average redditor
>>739954193FF is amusing because many of them are deeper than you'd think but SE made the skill floor low on purpose by allowing grinding or mechanic abuse
>>739954193I think you’re just making shit up to justify your contrarianism. Buffing and spamming the reflect damage button isn’t esoteric either.
I'm glad we're establishing FFfags are mentally ill.
>>739954406>spamming the reflect damage button isn’t esoteric either.Tetra/makarakarn usually make the big bosses enter rape mode and spam almighty on your ass. It tends to be a really bad idea.
>>739954525Which fanbase can't use their own general again?
>>739954529So don’t use it on the 3 enemies that do that? Do you think any of these are actual points? The gameplay is bog-standard JRPG gameplay where the fundamental set of buff, attack, defend, heal is no different from other series.
>>739954638Are you retarded?
>>739954638I love how every single example you're giving us is vanilla IV.
>>739954638Well your argument is that reflect skills and buffing trivialize the hardest fights, but said bosses are undoing all of your buffs/debuffs with 1 action and reflecting literally doesn't work.
>>739954615We love Gilliam here
>>739954525this coming from a FE tendie is incredible.
These threads turn into such fucking cringe hugboxes whenever any other S/JRPG series is brought up
FF has the worst gameplay in the entire jarpig genre
>>739954803My argument was that they trivialize the game and that for the specific fights they do not work, do not use them. >>739954798*in your mind
>>739954939Yeah because it really exposes people that obviously dont know what they're talking about.
>FE discussionTalks about FE>Other SRPG discussionSeethes about FE
>>739954947FF1 and 3 were pretty acceptable for the era and FF4 and 5 were better than what was around it.
>>739955149Lol lmao, you wish
>>739955149This whole thread is literally FEfags seething at every other SRPG series and regurgitating the most surface level takes about games they probably didn't even play
>>739955431Nobody is seething, we're establishing superiority.
>>739955431Nigga did you look at the OP
>>739955518never played Troubleshooter.jpg
I like fire emblem.
>>739955518>FE fags pretending FE6 11A is the average FE map when they have legions of wide open maps or maps with irrelevant terrain
>>739955431Cope, the op is straight up seethe at FE because he'd rather do that than just make a thread to talk about Troubleshooter or whatever.
>>739955518Thanks for proving my point you gigafaggot
>>739955585>Most women are under 5'6>I'm 5'8 thoughLiterally you rn>>739955605Yes, FE has shitty wide open maps but those maps are less common and also generally considered shit by most FE fans because we actually have standards.>>739955629What was your point nigger, you don't even have one.
>>739955720>Literally you rnthe image says "every" not "most".
If your game isn't also interesting in a flat plain, it's not interesting.
>>739955770It's an old image that's been posted here for years, I don't think Troubleshooter was even a thing yet. But yeah, even if Troubleshooter is just as good or better, it still doesn't change 95% of SRPGs historically being accurate to the bottom.
>>739955815Why are you even playing a SRPG if you don't care about the map design?
none of the fags reposting the same 3 template pics about other srpg design have ever played anything other than fire emblem btw
>>739955815Yeah and none of the games with flat plains as their most common maps are interesting.
>>739955815The grvke that btfo hallway sissies
>>739955815I'm curious what "flat plain" games were good.
>>739955882Cope, I've played a bunch of games in this genre and only FE and the games listed in the OP stand at the top. (well I haven't played Troubleshooter but it looks like it plays similar to XCOM)
>>739955851NTA but OP here, read the OP. Thanks. Old games were boring and slow open field simulators, but that hasn’t been the case in the genre in 15+ years.
>>739955876Who said I didn't?
>>739953964>CriticalThis is the big problem with FE4 enemy quality. Hardly any of the enemies can crit. This means there's quite literally almost no surprises to the enemy's offensive capability. I think it would be much better if all enemies could crit using a typical crit formula, like half skill checked against luck.
>>739955940Hey I recognize you, aren't you the retard that called Conquest 10 an open map?
>>739955720>actually have standards>most fe fans praise games like PoR and 3HL M A O
>>739956078No, that was someone else, but you do have a hard time telling anyone who disagrees with you apart.
>>739956062With the Jugdral crit formula and literally no way to reduce crit chances on your units, that sounds like shit ngl
>>739956062JP romhacks often have two factor pursuit and critical. A generic formula and one for having the skill.
>>739956152> I think it would be much better if all enemies could crit using a typical crit formula, like half skill checked against luck.
>>739956234Umm, my point stands? That just makes anyone with low luck at perpetual risk of explosion with no way to mitigate it. This isn't FE5 where you can hold a scroll or something.
>>739955950D&D 4E
>>739956390That's not really an SRPG...
>>739955149Literally the other way around, most srpgfags are generally okay with feBut GOD help you if you bring up another srpg in fe threads. It's not even limited to srpgs even just jrpgs. It's basically what >>739954939Said
>>739956123The people who have standards for maps and the people who praise 3H are two separate parts of the fanbase with little to no overlap.
>>739956643That is not true at all, SRPGfags have always historically seethed about FE here on /v/. Also again as the other anon pointed out, this thread literally started with OP seething about FE. The SRPGfag cries out in pain as he strikes you.
>>739956305You'd need 15 Luck to void crit from everyone without a +Skl weapon/ring if you didnt have access to Nihil. Sigurd for example has 7 Lck and 20% growth at Level 5, so with his average luck of 12, he's already immune to crit from all units with up to 25 Skl.
>>739956724>a bait op meant to be bait is clearly a representation of srpgsfagsLmao.
>>739956837Just saying, acting like FEfags are the instigators here when the OP is literally bait is disingenuous.
>>739956152>>739956305I would probably balance it so that it's the regular 3x final damage for everyone, but units with the critical skill get a crit bonus and deal 4x damage instead.
>>739956784Dude half of Gen 1 caps their level with like 5-8 luck
>>739956837FE doesn't need to bait srpgs for its threads to gain traction.
>>739955518You didn’t have to call out shining force like that.
>>739956914>for its threads to gain traction.This entire thread literally only exists because trying to talk about the artbook leak yesterday got the thread deleted
>>739957019And yet nobody is talking about said leak here at all...
>>739955518>bottom picture is just gaiden and awakening
>>739957056Because it's a fucking nothingburger
>>739957067Awakening maps are far more like the top
>>739957067Yes and FE fans generally consider those games to have the worst maps in the series. We have standards.
>>739950402>There are like 9 different 1 tile choke boat/bridge/gate maps, it’s crazy bad.people complain about this all the time, but they never mention how easy it is to get 3, 4, and even 5 range in that game. if it was a regular fire emblem the maps would really suck to play, but it's completely different when you have a squad of pegasus knights with 2-3 range and no weakness to bows and 1-5 range archers and mages.
>>739957190>We have standardsClearly not if Awakening sold like crazy
>>739956305That SHOULD be the case though. It actually gives some value to the tanky units if the memedon doing 30x2 could randomly get destroyed from full HP
>>739957284We as in the hardcore fans who care about game design in the first place, not the normalfags who like the series for the Persona aspects.
>>739957320Actually it just makes shitters like Arden even worse because he also happens to have like the lowest luck stat in the game lmao.
Holy fucking larp thread
>>739957351>not the normalfags who like the series for the Persona aspectsThey're the main audience tho???There's a reason why 3H sold the most
>>739956724How was myself accurately and fairly placing FE in a relatively high position on the scale “seething” at FE? You could say I was seething at FFT or Langrisser because I called them dogshit.
>>739957396Larpers to the left larpers to the right
>>739957190>>739957284>Awakening was meant to have tougher maps>Komuro had them dumbed down for herI will always hate that woman.There's a decent chance those old maps were either used for paralogues or just taken straight into Conquest.
I used to think fe7hhm was hard, but im watching two guys on youtube stream it and roflstomp it while paying no attention to the game. How tf did we lose on this game so many times?
>>739957784FE7 is still the hardest gba game. We never beat it
>>739957784Because we're doing three challenge runs at once (passing the sav around, trusting strangers with the sav and ironman) and we're not giving ourselves any leeway for anything resembling cheating.
>>739957784because of divas who cry wnd kill runs on purpose when their scrimblo dies
>>739957784scrimblo gooners cannot keep themselves in check when it comes to gba games that aren't FE6. and when every new player goons another new useless scrimblo you just end up with a team of useless low level scrimblos instead of one scrimblo who is at least somewhat comparable to a real unit due to the favoritism they have been given.
>>739957936These guys are playing an ironman too
>>739958002*ironman
>>739957967Pent...
if other srpgs are bad because they have boring maps how come fire emblem isn't also bad because it has boring mechanics? do maps really have more weight on the scale than ability to interact with units in ways besides 1 range attack and 2 range attack?
>>739958074Yes
>>739958074FE would do well to evolve beyond the 1-2 range limiter
>>739958074Everyone being able to snipe each other across the map is part of why other SRPGs are so damn thoughtless and boring.
>>739958057It'd be funny if someone scrimblomaxxed louise
>>739958057>pent crashes out and leaves the army with all his stuff if his archerfu dieshe just becomes more and more zased every thread
>>739958123what was the last FE with 1-2 range, awakening/fates?
>>739958247I'm not a fan of Ash, but I appreciate this artist and their "young schoolboy dating his stacked teacher" images.
>>739958205It actually makes them way more thoughtful since you can’t just click on the sniper from across the map with your mount and one shot him without getting touched
>>739957967>>739957970That narrative doesn't work when fags assassinate "scrimblos" such as Gilliam for no reason other than spite at people wanting to use him
>>739958205No it's not.
>>739958226the hand axe alone has been in nearly every game? 1-2 range never went away what's this history revisionism? it is occasionally nerfed (but not really) but it has never been removed, they have never even tried really.
>>739958226I mean 1-2 range for 99% of combat. Fates had the spy shuriken and awakening probably had a longbow somewhere
>>739958205This, worse yet are AoEs. These things always break the games in half, with the best strat being to just spam the living shit out of them every map.
>>739958453There's not even that many srpgs with aoes like the only series I know that uses them is srw and even then those have enemies that can literally the same thing too
>>739958431Hand axe doesn't fit the narrative
>>739958542>enemies that can literally the same thing tooThe problem is that AoEs are way stronger in a player's hand than an enemy's hand. The enemy AI is never smart enough to protect themselves against them or to use them nearly as well as a non idiotic player.
>>739957967>>739957970the whole general is scrimblo gooners who are you fooling?
>>739958703Generals can't be scrimblos
>>739958636>FFT
>>739958747Name this obscure platformer character then
>>739958882Nigga you posted a blank image
>>739958636What games are you specifically talking about? Because in most of them the AoEs have the longest cooldowns and lowest bit chances or in the case of grenades, no meaningful damage. The reason enemy units don’t spam AoEs and they are usually limited to bosses is that players would cry endlessly if they got their ass torn open while moving their units across the map without scouting the terrain with whatever units have a map reveal skill.
AW > FE
Remember the time Xenonauts' AI was so good that it could find out where your guys were by knowing where you weren't and then bombarded your general location with grenades from out of LOS? Yeah there's a reason games don't do that.
>>739959125>Remember the time Xenonauts' AI was so good that it could find out where your guys were by knowing where you weren't and then bombarded your general location with grenades from out of LOS?Intresting, I'll check that game out. I've been looking for more competent cpus
>>739959038tell me more
>>739959423This is the word filter that shut the fuck up in town of Salem changes to so I always immediately think of that
>>739959315That got patched out because it was barely playable.Play Brutal AI OpenXCOM Extended if you want a similar experience, but once blaster launchers are a thing you can't really do anything.
>>739915687
>>739959125This, if you make the ai too intelligent then you run the risk of hard filtering casuals who'll call it unfair
>>739959838Boo, I'll have to find an unpatched version then. Fucking causals
>>739960007But it actually WAS unfair. You couldn't do shit about it.
>>739960000
>>739960147Is this a bot
>>739960194no
>>739958453map attacks are good because they punish blobbing.
>>739960147>9960000septuples incoming in 40,000 more posts bros
>>739960319Formations are good, actually.
>>739960361Your specific formation was bad though because it got nuked by the AoE
Lemonade
>>739961546Citrinne would make delicious lemonade
For me it's Shamir
>>739961834I'm still mad that they censored kiria, even in the art book.
>>739962060I'm not defending censorship, but honestly I think the modified version looks better. The original looks too trashy, like something she wouldn't wear when you look at how she is in game. Like if you said that was concept art and the final version was what we got I'd say we got the better deal.What I'm mad about is the concept art had this fucking god tier outfit for her and we didn't get it
>>739958542Troubleshooter does AOE balance pretty well imo, between the cooldowns, only certain characters having huge ones, and cover/maps making it not always simple to hit everyone you want. but when you line up a fat one it's so fucking satisfying
>>739962187she is an idol it's a stage outfit not what she normally wears. also the uncensored version is a way better design because of the way it blocks colors. the censored version makes her entire lower body a dark void.
>>739962924>it's a stage outfit not what she normally wearI'm aware. But look at her other outfits and you can see how much the Reincarnation outfit stands out. And yes I know her base outfit has her panty strings peeking out but still.
>>739961834fuck off
>>739958636AoEs are generally weak, inaccurate and/or expensive. Not to mention that some of them might have cooldowns and/or a weird attack radius which means warping your entire team formation to spam them.
mangs just lost fe8...
>>739964174Nooooooooooooooo
>>739964174Post lose screen
>>739964174He threw because he doesn’t like the modern games so he didn’t want to play them
>>739964174See? People keep saying FE8 is easy but even he lost to it, and he's played a bunch of these games.So at least I'm on the same level as mangs.
>>739964174>lost on the easiest game in the series(lol
How do you guys fall for this every time?
>>739966304I literally asked him to post the lose screen
Ogre Battle was ludokino and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>739966308Kek
Mangs just lost his car keys...
>>739966308>colgatefags imagine themselves kings
vaike just lost his iron axe...
Vaike > Robin
>>739955587SAME
>>739966308Advance Wars is not an RPG, stop trying to lump it in with the others
SRPG Studio 2 is releasing later this year bros
I'm neutral on Fire Emblem
>>739967337no one on this general will ever use it
>>739967379Sadly this general is made up of hoi polloi and not hoi aristoi
>>739918903Gimmick map where you have to solve a riddle that requires you to visit certain tiles in the right order, which then makes an optional boss character vulnerable. Doing this leads to a gaiden chapter.
Mangs just lost his hair
>>739967337Does it actually look good now? SRPG Studio looks even worse than RPG Maker games from 20 years ago.
>>739967940>Does it actually look good now?wow if only there were some kind of searching device you could use to answer this for yourself..
>>739967940No, not really. It’s still the niche offshoot of RPG Maker for people who want to make FE but can’t code.
The thing I find comical about engage is that alear’s signature weapon is called oligoludia, which means “few play” in greekThe game is fun though
>>739968995willy glans
>>739915750Fuck yes it is. Its korean cringekino at times with its translation but holy shit it has so much soul, passion, and its so much fucking fun. AND THAT FUCKING SOUNDTRACK.
>>739967337>>739967379Someday....
>Cheecky looking female outlaw.Did Engage copy Yunaka?
>>739969695I gave that glownigger all of my statboosters because I thought it would be funny and she 200x2’d every unit on the map
>>739969695lol at the thought of anyone copying anything from Engage
>>739969759>glowniggerExpand on this spicy schizo take of Cia
>>739969824Her name being CIA and her class being a rogue/thief aka medieval spy equivalent
>>739969759An energy drop or 2 isn't saving Yunaka from dealing shit damage after the early-game
>>739969695Copying is like second nature to Asians.
>>739969779What that ESLtard meant to type was that Engage copied that chick from Dark Deity.
Modding Engage to replace Seadall with Goldmary as the dancer!
>>739966308This cope is pathetic as fuck.
>>739971071There are no copes here, only cold hard truths.
>>739971178Japanese interviews are generally humble as fuck with them putting themselves down. In terms of how much of a cultural impact the respective series made, Matsuno mogs FE.In fact, a lot FE fans have a permanent chip on their shoulder by trying to assert themselves as being superior/dominant because not many people cared about the games before Awakening/3H two games that they look down on.t. Kaga Saga fan.
>>739969695just wait till you see EVA and then play fates chapter 10
>>739971683The final cope, an appeal to popularity
>>739971868>He says while coping over something as subjective as difficultyYou were already a retard by including AW in a srpg image in the first place. Not beating the allegations of the average FE fan being insecure as fuck.
>>739972185I'm not even the guy you were arguing with. You're just crazy for thinking anyone here cares about le cultural impact.>Not beating the allegations of the average FE fan being insecure as fuckIt's pretty obvious who the insecure ones are when FE threads are about FE, and faggots like OP can only get their shit "discussed" by attacking FE.
>>739972185It's relevant because for years FFTards acted like FE was the casual baby series when it was always the other way around.
What was the high guard of fire emblem?
>>739972459qualitywise definitely 3H
>>739972459Fortune's Weave
>>739972459776
>>739972459What exactly is a highguard
>>739972403Well FFT posters were correct to say that however hypocritical it may have been
>>739972459iron18
>>739972403FFT has a shitload of mechanical meat to hang off of while FE is relatively barren in comparison. Depends on why you're calling FE casual. AW is pretty casual compared to a hardcore wargame like ASL but it's not a particularly easy game when you get down to it.
>>739972360Lmao. FE threads for the past few months have to disguise themselves or else they don't last. Did you forget what happened to the FW leak thread? /vfeg/ threads are just you scurrying around like rats hiding from mods because you dont want to reclaim your own damn general.
>>739972791Impressive how this entire post has nothing to do with anything I said
>>739915687I have no fucking idea what Troubleshooter or RC Bakery are and I consider myself an avid follower of vidya news.
>>739972860Both are on steam and probably tendie consoles too
>>739972776All of FFT's "meat" is in its menus, not in its actual gameplay. In FE, you employ strategies directly on the maps to achieve victory, in FFT your victory is achieved in the job class and equipment menus, as soon as you have built your busted unit you already won. This is the central problem that most SRPGs have and why games like FE and X-COM are superior because those games actually ask the player to think and make smart, decisive decisions during gameplay.
>>739972854Its impressive how retarded you are. No wonder you think a bait thread like this was made by other srpgfags and not a FE fag trying to hide from mods again.
RC Bakery looks incredibly terrible, to be honest.
>>739968995Liberation seems like the true signature weapon. I dont ever recall using the one you mentioned. Makes no sense to assign them an unknown weapon as their signature
>>739973025>Once you've built your busted unit you've wonMeanwhile FE just hands you the OP super unit(s) to do all the work for you.
>>739973025Apparently you did not understand what I said. Also, that's fully applicable to X-COM. t. has beaten Superhuman ironman
>>739973032What the fuck are you even talking about? I've never understood your type of poster who just replies over and over with vaguely aggressive white noise in lieu of any actual point or argument.
In hindsight I think engage was mediocre
>>739973168FFT does that too with units like Orlandeau.>>739973169X-COM is kino because it achieves a perfect balance of both. Yeah you do a lot of strengthening outside the maps but they still make your decisions in the map count. You can't play stupid or you lose the soldiers that you managed to get to survive multiple battles and thus waste your resources. Maps in X-Com also aren't just empty squares, which like FE is something I consider a prerequisite to having a good strategy game.
>>739973025>as soon as you have built your busted unit you already won>>>>>>>
>>739973309NTA but you're a retard.
>>739973156I said that because it’s the ultimate unlock for alear’s engage ring, but yeah liberation is the starting weapon
>>739973579Stop being a retard, units like Seth and Sigurd are not the norm.
>>739973309"Pretending not understand things" award winner of the thread.
>>739972791Clean up /vg/ from the faggy mods making it unusable and I'll consider it
>>739973652/g/ is working as intended. You were exiled for a reason.
>>739973589pathetic samefag
>>739973637How many more do you want me to name?
>>739972791Nowi raped their clitties and they won’t go back unless they can hog all of the OPs. Seriously, that’s why they all left. They weren’t allowed to attention whore the first post.
>>739973309>>739972854>other srpg fags>make their own threads>fe fags>cant make their own threads without being modded>let gacha slop fags run them out of their own general>make hundreds of images to pretend that their games are better>constantly lose ironmans on easy games like FE7 and FE8
>>739973710At least name Camilla, Ivy, Ryoma, and Robin too
>>739973783This post is just one big goomba fallacy
>>739973691>/g/I mean, we do emulate the games here, but it seems more vidya related than computer/tech related to me. Seems perfect on /v/, especially with the new entry right around the corner.
>>739973637>Holy Bow Alm>Palla>Sigurd>FE5 has so many combat gods that Kaga invented fatigue to get you to rotate them>Miledy and Percival shit all over the rest of the cast on HM>A not insignificant chunk of the prepromotes in 7>Seth>Titania and your BEXP dumped juggernaut>Ike, Haar, Laguz Royals
>Using prepromotesStop stealing exp from the good units
>>739973783>let gacha slop fags run them out of their own generalIdk why I'm supposed to want to post on /vg/ in the first place. The entire board is schizo namefags and drama.
>>739973816Ivy doesn't really fit there. She can't enemy-phase, she's just a nuke.The others all pictured or listed are omnitanks.
>>739973420I was way more concerned with losing flying armor than I was with losing the unit in the flying armor, up until you get psychics that are completely optional to beat the game.
>>739974112That's only if you let your general fall to ruins like /feg/ and /ffg/.
>>739973816Camilla and Ivy won't carry your average joe shmo through the harder difficulties of their games if he's not good at FE. >>739974057Neither will half of these. Powerful units =/= hard carries.
>>739974112That retard you're replying to is one of the schizo /vg/ fags who's desperate for attention. He's seething because anons know better than to interact with him.
>>739974073Back to 2004 gamefaqs with ye
>>739972459Engage. Pushed hard only to not make a splash in the slightest.
>>739974252Post exp rank
>>739974249Why is he afraid of using his trip? I thought tripfags couldn't stand not having attention.
>>739974232The average joe can get Seth and Sigurd killed. What's your point?
>>739974249Projection
>>739974339My point is that there's a big difference between units like Seth and units like Camilla or Miledy or Dagdar. It's dumb to put them all on the same pedestal.
>>739974428Put on your trip coward
>>739974264>Saaar please talk about 3H saaaarBernie is my favorite character saaaaar
>>739974332Because people will start posting Gullveig, and he'll freak out even faster.
>>739974471As strong as Seth and Sigurd are in their respective games, you're seriously overestimating them. There's enough stuff in FE4 Gen 1 that can seriously fuck his shit up if you're careless.
>muh PercivalHis hit rates are actually kinda ass against things that matter. His only support that can keep up with him is Cecilia, who sucks and doesn't give accuracy.
>>7399747656 has ass hit rates in general unless you use swords/tomes or abuse supports.
>>739974765Lmao he has 16 base skill and access to swords.
>>739974707>There's enough stuff in FE4 Gen 1 that can seriously fuck his shit upOne time, just for fun, I tried starting a run of FE4 where I did nothing but drive Sigurd as far forward as possible every turn, and I didn't even get to take the first castle because he got hit by an axe and died.
>>739974918skill issue
Alan>Percival>B-but Percival has better statsAlan has far better supports and a solid stat spread too.
>>739974765>supportsopinion discarded
>>739974128She can enemy phase, she just needs you know what. That's just how Engage is balanced.
>>739974849>supportsThat's just it though, by the time you get Percival, your early game units can easily have 4-5 support ranks adding up to as much as +20-25 hit.
Man imagine ending a brutal Ironman due to soft lock.
>>739975030>That gameplay mechanic doesn't count!(lol
>>739975042You know what even spawns right next to her fully charged when she joins you It’s funny how little the devs respected the players intelligence that they slap the game breaking strategy right in your face in a narrative moment too
>>739975064FE6's support gain for most of the cast is hot garbage and require you intentionally mainpulate positioning to avoid wasting points.Only like Roy/Lilina, Ward/Lot and Alan/Lance/Marcus will organically form supports without you actively trying for them.
>>739974887>swords
>>739975114Arena and boss abuse also gameplay mechanics. Still degenerate to spam end turn for supports you'd never otherwise get.
Most srpgs would be much better if they had permadeath
>>739975186>take the route with highly evasive bosses on thrones>act surprised when units have suspect hit rates
>>739975191>degenerateLet me check my care pocket right quick. Nope it's empty.
>>739975186>NOT THE STATIONARY THRONE BOSS
>>739975097
>>739975191>spam end turn for supports you'd never otherwise getThat's you screwing up, you can easily get several characters to 3x supports or even 5x supports before Percival joins at all. Even antisocial ass Rutger cane easily have supports built up with Dieck and Clarine at that point.
>>739975180It takes 3 maps to complete one rank of the slowest supports in the game (4 for A) while playing at A rank Tactics pace.
>>739975347Clarine/Rutger and Alan/Lance are basically the only supports you're getting in normal play. Maybe Lilina/Roy if you're using her.
>>739975354That's not counting aiming for the fast supports, either. Alan and Lance's support is absolutely disgusting for how early it is accessible, for instance.
>>739975354>>739975450If the units have disparate movement, you're basically sandbagging the mount to build up supports.
>>739975413Basically any unit of a squad has fast supports with its squad, close relation characters such as Thany and Tate are also fast, plus it's piss easy to build supports you specifically aim for. Just don't try to do all 1+1 supports in one run.
>>739975560Yes, and?
>>739975560>you're basically sandbagging the mount to build up supportsYes, that's exactly why I said>His only support that can keep up with him is CeciliaI've been trying to build his supports with Douglas and Lalum, but it is not going well. Meanwhile, I'm already almost at Douglas-Lalum A because they both have 5 move.
>>739975560>What is rescue
>>739975712If you rescue them you can't build support. If you're wasting someone else's actions to rescue and drop them for support you're just bucking the sandbagging off to someone else.
>>739975712A staff I don't have because I fed a child to Lyon's soldiers.
>>739975801He doesn't know how to rescue drop efficientlySkill issue
>>739975826>you don't get the rescue staff if you don't know how to use the rescue commandPottery.
>>739975996Oh, I knew how to use it.But Amelia was about to die, so I plopped the kid down to take the hit.
>>739975964My name? Generated. But my friends call me Genny.
>>739975964>I'm ready to slop!
>>739975335KWAB
>>739975335Did he lose the Lightsphere?
Last for Azura
>>739975964Cute Genny.
