>equip a greatsword that weighs around 5lbs in real life>player character starts smashing it into the ground like a retard, as if it was a giant heap of raw ironwhy do devs keep doing this
>>739923707Blame berserker
>>739923707doubt you could swing it any better weak ass bitch
You know what game doesn't have this problem?
>>739925168H-HAYAI
>>739925168Taking 30 hits to beat basic enemies because of the retarded level scaling system is far worse than unrealistically heavy greatswords
>>739923707>DEX greatsword doesn't have the DEX greatsword movesetAngeryFrusterated
>>739925265Oblivion's major issue is a stupid typo in the damage calculation system that results in every melee weapon doing approximately half the damage they're supposed to.It's why you can disarm a goblin, who's bare fists do MORE damage than their weapon.Additionally the game is absolutely balanced around you enchanting the fuck out of your weapons.
>>739923707Because it's cool.
>equip big sword on small witch>it's cute
>>739925412Only if you're a retard.
The real answer is mostly a frame-to-DPS sliding scale that needs to be tuned according to the gameplay that is also (generally) balanced around enemy movement data and the same tame-to-DPS sliding scale on the inverse. A weapon needs to be a specific rate of frames fast enough to not be inherently useless in most combat situations, but also cannot be so fast as to trivialize standard combat elements. The upper limit of frames needs to be animated to account for "X" frames (these are your pointlessly heavy and slow weapons like the Demon King Greathammer), but weapons that go down from there are still going down the scale appropriately, with the fastest knives and daggers setting a baseline. Whatever is towards the upper end rather than the upper limit is supposed to then have animations that fill up that many frames, but natural swordplay does not yield that kind of visual, hence the "need" to animate them as if they are all 30lb+ hunks of steel that can barely be held by their masters. There are some weapons that are also swung around like they weigh less than 1lb when in reality they would be substantially heavier, but they're on the "lower" end of frames, and thus are animated as if they are featherweight.
>>739925483>me so smart, big sword going clang is beneath me
>>739925721Not beating the retard allegations.
>>739925721Only acceptable if it's buster sword or dragon slayer tier gigantic. A regular zweihander really isn't THAT heavy especially if wielded by some gigachad maxed out on strength.
>>739925412rapidly spinning and twirling a 180cm blade of death around is cooler AND accurate to reality
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>people who've never swung a sword before, getting tired after 2-3 swings>if they can even do it once without hurting themselves
>>7399237075lbs feels a lot heavier due to the distribution of weight
>>739923707You didn't bought bushido blade.You didn't forced your favorite youtuber to play it.Enjoy shit unrealistic swordfghiting
>>739923707>5 pounds5 pounds were the weight of heavy mauls, 2h swords were like 2.5-3 at most.
>sword that should slice something in half in one go >spend 10 minutes hacking at the same enemy
>>739925872I'm may be retarded but at least I'm not a no taste faggot (You)
>>739926765You're talking about literally sakura right?Swords are pretty lightweightThey're basically razors to poke someone at distance, not fucking steel bars.
>>739926958>but at least I'm not a no taste faggot>thinks slamming your sword on the ground like a retarded ape is coolThe unfortunate fact of the matter is that you actually are.
>>739925265You can just adjust the difficulty slider. Then the game suddenly doesnt have that peoblem.
>>739923707The ones in games are much heavier.
>>739925138Its not about strength, its about technique. You move with the sword and use its momentum to continue into the next swing, you don't fight against it.
>>739925412A properly used greatsword is badass.
>>739926765You ever owned a machete? That's functionally identical to many small swords.
I love absurdly big swords, bros
>>739925357just edit your regulations.bin and change the models of one that does use it, you can even change the sound effects, scaling, etc.or use modengine to be able to load models off your parts folder :)>muh onlinelollmao
Real life greatswords would also break if you tried to hit a dragon with them.So maybe your realism is autism.
SOME of the greatswords in the game have a more sensible moveset but its really rare for some reason. i dont know why they are so obsessed with the idea of them being ultra heavy slamming hammershttps://youtu.be/NKMAnDkmczc?si=-srU10Vfp08VYR3R&t=39
>>739925412its not cool at all. i could understand this for the retarded, over-the-top anime swords but not regular swords like zweihanders and shit.
>>739927098>no u!!!No taste in comebacks either.
>>739925437which game?
>>739928710mu online
>>739926653No wonder the wolf school was so good, look at these moves.
>>739928710path of exile
>>739924067My love for you is like a truck BERSERKER Would you like to making fuckBERSERKER
>>739923707Fromsoft recycled their animations and never bothered to make semi realistic attack animations EXCEPT for that ONE specific greatsword moveset that was put in dark souls 2 for the mirrah greatsword and then they used it for ds3 and then recycled it for elden ring but other than that one, the rest are unga bunga bullshit.
>>739928152is this frottage
>>739929125Just two dudes about to slay some pussy.
>>739923707>make the greatest greatsword ever included in a video game>don't put it in your next game
>>739923707>but muh weight
>>739929339this shit rockedI wish we had another UGS with a spear skill
>>739928152>right handed Raime
>>739925557the thing is you can make it work with the ds2 greatsword moveset, which reappears in ds3 and elden ring for certain weaponsand it works with great katanas in sotebut for some reason they love the greatsword slams and hate realistic sword techniques (except for katanas again)
>>739923707>another HEMAfag thread seething about muh historical accuracyman you people are clownsdevs aren't as retarded as you think. They don't follow irl logic for the simple reason that real life sword fights and techniques are fucking boring to see and it's time you learn to deal with itwhen's the last time you've seen a movie of TV show with a scene of a person drowning in the waters but shown in the way that people actually drown irl?? fucking never that's right. And that's because the real thing is boring and has no entertainment value. The same applies to sword fighting, real life is boring and fiction is way more entertaining
Why does the troll bait? What has to be wrong with a man for him to enjoy pretending to be retarded just to make anonymous strangers mad?
>>739929668The closest thing I've found is the Zweihander with Giant Hunt on it, but even then it doesn't hold a candle to the original.
>>739925359i was looking to play for the first timedoes the unofficial patch fix this>play remastercan tell you already. i cant run it
>>739923707You keep playing games made by faggots, stop doing that
>>739930710Shut the fuck up, man. Honestly, it's literally no different from guns being portrayed in stupidly inaccurate ways to "spice it up". You're the fucking tranny localizer of medieval weapons.
You guys forget that irl movesets are exclusively designed to fight humans. When fighting much larger and less agile monsters, more committed swings make sense
>>739934170>more committed swingsThat's fair, but just because you're overcommitting a swing doesn't mean the sword would suddenly get super heavy and cumbersome. This whole "problem" can really just be solved by giving the huge caveman swings to ridiculously large swords/hammers/clubs, and having regular swords attack more realistically.
>Historically, a functional Zweihänder (German two-handed sword) weighed between 5 to 8 pounds (2.3 to 3.6 kg)It's also long as fuck. You try swinging something like that around constantly.
>>739933957It’s boring dude. Nothing you do will ever change the fact that real life puts people to sleep. I’ll take a thousand fromsoft rollslop games or other jrpgs on the discount bin with unrealistic fighting over any shit that tries to be historically accurate
>>739923707>>player character starts smashing it into the ground like a retard, as if it was a giant heap of raw ironPeak
The fancy greatsword moveset still has the player drag the weapon across the ground for some reason. I like Elden Ring’s Light Greatswords a lot, though in reality there’s only three and I don’t like the Rellana paired one since the powerstance set sucks on that class and it’s just a four-stat-ash-stick so I don’t care. Milady and Lesa’s Sword are good enough.
>>739934578>this>boringhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWISsk0cy74You are a bing bang wahoo retard.
>>739923707I don't think it is supposed to weight 5lbs which is why the tip is always glued to the ground.
>>739923707The zweihanders in souls games are way bigger than any irl zweihander
>>739934581From the moment the zweihander did an overhead hit and it not only did it cave in the enemies head but crumpled their entire posture to the ground like they were just hit be a ton of bricks, I knew, THIS is peak
>>739923707You should see what they do with warhammers
>>739923707You should think about it from game design standpoint.You get an infinite hurricane that can advance toward you and cut across your path twice a second. Is this reactable on per-swing basis? parryable? hardly.you can tank it or you can run away until the animation is over.I suppose that's why most games have shorter attack strings, animations that are very telegraphed and ground slamming. the type of game you'd get with realistic movement of a 2h sword wouldn't be as fun.
>>739935691I love a super huge big bonk weapon, but watching someone use momentum and leverage to cleave a zweihander around like a whirlwind is just crazy cool.>>739935785I don't think people would think the huge telegraphed attacks looked weird if the weapons were all properly oversized and meaty looking.
>>739935691Where is picrel from?
>>739935898Right, but op implies he wants realism on lighter weapons. which is why I explained what I think, that this sort of combat would not be as satisfying.
>>739935898>I don't think people would think the huge telegraphed attacks looked weird if the weapons were all properly oversized and meaty looking.Zweihander is just right for the amount of metal it has, at least the one used in the game.>>739936032my harddrive
>>739925168>>739925437>>739926653Remember to ignore 'games' with westslop combat
>>739936207Very based, keep on keeping on.
>>739936207Why do you have pictures of burly men swinging phallic shapes in your hard drive anon.
>>739923707>5lbsI don't know which burger units those are but I'm gonna assume you meant 50lbs at least>smashin it into the groundIf it's heavy and you swing it and miss, it will keep going due to momentum. What exactly are you complaining about?In fact I don't get how this thread has almost 100 replies and everyone seems to understand OPs post as if it's not retarded
>>739936427Swords are way lighter than you think.
>>739936427>50lbsAbsolute retard. Swords are at most 2-4 kilos heavy. That's 4-8lbs, rounded up.
>>739936207is that the anon on /fit/ who train just by swing sword?
>>739936427>sword weights at least 22,68 kgwhat a fucking retard
>>739936559or a barbell bar i forgot
>>739928231That's actually a good point. Given the threats in a fantasy world, all weapons probably would be forged to have more weight to them for dealing with various monsters.You couldn't get away with just making weapons for the purpose of killing people, you would need them to be more versatile. If you're fighting orcs, you're going to need more weight to your greatsword otherwise it's just going to get stuck in muscle, and then orc will rip your arms off.
>>739936559yup
>>739928152I can't decide if |||FUGS||| is better in DS2 or DS3. In 2 if you time the L2 just right you can negate all damage it seems which is cool AF, but you need 30 fucking dex for a strength weapon. In 3 you get Stomp which only heavily boosts defences for a second, but now the 30 dex requirement is gone.
>>739936453>>739936483>>739936593Ok, I checked, indeed 10kg swords are rare. Which is what I was thinking of, probably from some ceremonial version.But given the context of Dark Souls and the size of the blades in game I'd say it's not that far fetched. And the really big ones could easily go over 50.
>>739936771The real answer is DaS3 version 1.00They MASSIVELY nerfed in day 1 patch for some reason.
>>739937001Due to the length of the blade and the leverage effect, that 2.5kg will feel like 100kg at the tip.
>>739937079What nerfs?
>>739933530>does the unofficial patch fix thisNope! Nobody seems interested in fixing such a trivial thing that completely rebalances the game for the better.
>>739923707it's not just the weight, it's the force behind your swing. you're fighting some kind of monster, if you lose he's going to rape your anus while it eats your head.how much force would you put behind your swing to prevent that from happening? do you think baseball players can stop mid-swing? they're swinging simple wood though.
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>>739933530playing as a pure mage is the most fun you can have in oblivion anyway especially once you start making custom spells and become omnipotent
>>739930243>hateare you sure it's not just complete ignorance?
>>739936635Swords are made to be light and easy to maneuver because the main danger isn't the impact, but the edge allowing you to turn your entire reach into a lethal space with every tiny movement.If a sword is unable to outright gore muscle and disembowel an unarmored enemy in a single quick motion, you just wouldn't use a sword, you'd use an axe, hammer, spear, polearm, or some other weapon that's made for what you're trying to achieve rather than trying to force a sword to fill a role it doesn't excel in.
>>739937456The handle of a sword like that is made to easily leverage the weapon, and loop all the momentum from your swing around into an immediate second swing, or otherwise reposition yourself. Letting your weapon crash into the ground wastes all that energy, and forces you to spend your time dragging it back up to swing it again, leaving you open to getting anus raped and your head eaten.
>>739936771>|||FUGS|||what did he mean by this
>>739925138They probably could, they're really light weapons for their size because of how balanced their center of gravity usually was.
>>739933530It doesn't. What makes Oblivion bearable is if you enchant your weapon with some kind of magic damage and later craft and cast "vulnerability to x element (touch)" later.Enemies will melt in 2~3 swings, even less. But it still demands quite a stock of soul gems or a clever use of the Star of Azura. Morrowind was similarly retarded with this.If you want a "pure" melee build, I have bad news for you. Even if you raise your str to 100 and your skill to 100, you'll notice that the real problem is the HP bloat.
The problem isn't that they keep the greatsword fantasy of GUTS from award-winning series BERSERK, is that they already had an alternative moveset as early as DS2 but they refuse to use it or expand it somehow for lighter greatswords.The ones that are giant slabs of iron are fine with the classic moveset. It's a game, not a HEMA simulator.
>>739923707It's a game, it's not meant to be realistic. What I don't get tho is that the Knight's Greatsword and the Banished Knight's Greatsword have more sophisticated movesets that, while still slow and exaggerated, better reflect European swordsmanship, so why didn't they give that moveset to more swords? At least the "civilized" type swords. And then you could still give the "grog smash" moveset to the greatswords used by monsters like the Iron Greatsword or the Forked Greatsword.>>739925138>t. never held a sword in his life
>>739923707Whenever I find a sword it's a gamble between having the unga bunga caveman moveset with my character banging the floor until the edge of the sword is dull or the elaborate knightly one with the cool swings. At some point I gave up on those swords and picked the dismounter because most of the great swords have the UNGA! moveset. And in the dlc I picked the milady and never went back. Alternating between it and the gigachad dragon killing sword. >but that means your build wasn't optimized if you use bothno shit
>>739936771The stomp has block frames, hyper armor and a pancake follow up attack.
>>739939512From used to mix and match animations across weapon types more than they did, but have chosen to reduce it since DS3.We get some special moves or attacks for special weapons here and there, but for regular types of weapons they have chosen to keep the basic moveset for almost all of them.Maybe balancing reasons? Familiarity with a moveset although properties like range and stagger values?Elden Ring has a handful of cases of weapons that look like they should have a different moveset but just have the universal version.
>>739928231But what if I want an indestructible sword with a cool moveset, huh?
>>739925168Total Skeleton Death
>>739936771>ambidextrous by default with mirrored movesets across the board so you can play as a leftie swordsman for a -5% damage buff>using Atoria's great sword in this way unlocks its true potential because he was left handedI still think about it sometimes from the sheer novelty but haven't seen many vidya that employed it at scale.
>>739939475DSII at least tried to give some variance in the movesets for the great sword beyond unga bunging it. You have some twirly bullshit with stuff like the flamberge and royal greatsword while claymore is always consistent with that lunge.
>>739940331Not many video games really have you equip gear based on your hands rather than the weapon/shield slots.Link in 3D zelda used to be left-handed but they changed him to right-handed during the motion control era and I think that's been kept ever since.And I thought Artorias used his sword left-handed because his main hand got crushed. Would make more sense than his greatshield arm but that's just lore autism and nothing in the game says either way.
>>739940572The Loyce greatsword is a beautiful piece of schizo moveset. I think it even has longsword moves in there.
>>739939298>center of balance changes the mass of the objectHoly retard!
>>739923707torque forceif you hold a 5lbs sword at 90 degrees the actual weight you're holding up is more like 30lbs
>>739940708>doesn't know about torqueHoly retard!
>>739939248Its just so cool that even the name needs to stand out. I love |||LEDO||| Greathammer too.
>>739940708changes the weight not the mass
unga bunga
>>739939665It does for sure and its really fun. But think about it, now we have to keep drinking blue cuck juice just to do it. While in DS2 you can spam that move forever.
>>739940974>parries u with a toothpick
>>739941121The FP consumption is very low IIRC. Meanwhile stamina costs in DS2 were very punishing.It's just the question of how many times you realistically would need to spam that between bonfires.
>>739939512>so why didn't they give that moveset to more swords?Maybe they treated those swords with the new moveset as experiments because they weren't sure how it would be received so they limited it to just them. People loved it so maybe the next game that isn't some shitty side project like Nightreign or the Switch exclusive will give that moveset to more swords.
>>739942527That specific moveset was in DS2 and in a couple of swords in DS3. They just put it again in a couple of swords in ER.I don't think From likes the idea of a big variation of movesets within a weapon category if we're not talking about one specific move or a weapon art/ash of war.
>>739924067You mean Berserk, right? Because the Dragonslayer was an honest to god elongated metal flat brick.
>>739925359>Additionally the game is absolutely balanced around you enchanting the fuck out of your weapons.So you had to use magic like a sissy or you were fucked?
>>739925265>basic enemiesCan't you read? That's a hero skeleton that's one of a kind.
>>739942690Memes aside, Skeleton Champions and high-tiered Zombies have absolute massive HP Pools. And Skeletons parry you so you can't even mash them from the front.
>>739923707This is why I only use the Knights Greatsword or Banished Knights Greatsword in Elden Ring. That Mirrah Moveset is sick as hell, and actually looks like you know what you're doing. The Milady is fun as hell because of this. Although I find it to be way stronger in PVP than PVE. The poise damage is too low on the R1s.
>>739942793Enjoy ruining your sword's blade by scraping it against the floor like a complete noob.
>>739940159wtf bro
>>739934578>Wanting technique and skill in your weapon movesets is "boring"You know what's actually boring, swinging around a 2kg sword like you're a retard with a tree branch.
>>739940159
>>739942690With a bones that strong, how did he ever die in the first place?
>>739942996Fall damage.
>>739934752Look at the types of dudes acting out those routines. That tells you everything.
>>739926765The average person is fat, you're crazy if you think they won't be out of breath swinging their arms around a couple of times.
>>739942621Huh, I didn't play DS2 but I don't remember it being in DS3. I guess I did play DS3 much less than ER because the pvp didn't quite click yet just then and one melee and one pyro playthrough was enough.
>>739943448The greatsword you get from killing the cancerous big tree and transposing its boss soul has that moveset. And its looks and moveset is based on the DS2 sword you get through Lucatiel's questline.I don't remember other DS3 weapons that use that moveset. And then we get those two elden ring greatswords.
>>739939248Spoiler tags on discord
>>739943501Oh yeah, it's used by the Drakeblood GS in both DS2 and DS3.
>>739943501>>739943874The hollowslayer moveset.Yeh yeh its not the original name but its what caught on in the community.
>>739925168>Skeleton Heromy hero TANKED that
>>739942669You have no choice in Oblivion, you enchant your weapons or you die. Even a basic-bitch Clanfear (level 13 velociraptor thing) will do more damage than a maxxed strength/skill/equipment TWO HANDER weapon.
