What did critically acclaimed Final Fantasy Producer, Yoshi-P, mean by this?
He forgot that 8 year olds aren't watching Game of Thrones and the last FF also came out before they were born
>proceeds to get mogged by dq, octopath, bravely default, and pixel remasters
Children don't like turn based shit as much as action. Hell, while I love turn based games now, when I was 6-8ish, they kinda frustrated me. Going from Kirby Super Star to Tactics Ogre was a bit of a learning curve, and I was a very sore loser.Doesn't help that people think gen a are completely retarded with all the "look gen a can't locate files!" type articles coming out. They think anything that takes a modicum of brainpower will be ignored by the kids.
Trash game will forever stay trash
>>739931094Honestly I think the idea of "A Final Fantasy game with KIngdom Hearts combat" has been something "younger fans" have been wanting for a long time...Except that that was true in like 2006 when Versus XIII was announced. So the "younger fans" who wanted that aren't necessarily young anymore. Idk what actually young people would want from Final Fantasy.Probably action would appeal more, but they could probably get away with going closer to turn-based again. Idk.
>>739931094AAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA
It's that easy
>>739931548BD2's art style is a bad example since it's shit.
Why is it so difficult for them to make a game just like 7, 8, 9 or 10 again?
>>739931094And they thought that little Timmy is going to pick up Final Fantasy Sixteen because of this?
>try to appeal to kids>unskippable faggot cutsceneDon't let yoshitpiss near your children
>>739931094And how'd that work out for them?
>>739931717I want to mating press Lune.
>>739931643>8Nah.
Worrying about "expected sales" is exactly what's wrong with the modern industry. If you make a quality game sales will follow. BG3 wasn't expecting to sell nearly as many copies as it did and that game has a D&D turnbased dice roll system.
>>739931094>generic medieval fantasy settingIf he really want younger audience then he should make the setting more gen z friendly like backrooms or virtual Roblox Minecraft worldAnd add coop feature. Zoomers don't really care about gameplay. It could be walking simulator and it will still do well
I just want another FF8, FF10 or FF13 again.Expedition 33 came closest to that feeling in 20 years to the point I now consider E33 the successor franchise.
>>739931094every company that abandons it's og fanbase to appeal to tourists deserves to fail
>>739931643It wouldn't even cost that much. They made 3 of them in like 4 or 5 years with 1995 technology . It makes no sense why they don't do this. The backgrounds are still good enough for the modern day if they aren't compressed to hell. Even as a side game... like just fucking make one instead of HD2D Octopath slop.
>massive woke flop with gay scene that no one asked for, banned in mudslime countries
>>739932320>Expedition 33 came closest to that feeling in 20 years to the point I now consider E33 the successor franchise.Same. I couldn't believe I was playing a real Final Fantasy again.
>TWO threads to cryNigga just make threads about turn based games
>>739932412You would be surprised how addicting being angry in the internet is
>>739931548Didn't those bomb too?
>>739931323>Hell, while I love turn based games now, when I was 6-8ish, they kinda frustrated me. Going from Kirby Super Star to Tactics Ogre was a bit of a learning curve, and I was a very sore loser.The problem here is you went from a kid's action game to an adult's SRPG instead of a kid's RPG.
>>739931094>Gets mogged by Persona
>>739931643The existence of Halo. I'm playing FFXIII rn, and I'm realizing how radically Halo changed the entire industry. Regenerating health, autosaving at checkpoints instead of a manual save system, the game being a purely combat focused experience...I was reading some interviews about how FFXIII was trying to be a blend of FPS and JRPG gameplay, and I think it's Halo that just fucked everything up.
Atlus won.
>>739932556>>739932687Funny since the biggest persona haters are smtfags
>>739931548>random encountersNo.
>>739932780You don't like JRPGs.
>>739931094They'll probably recycle rebirth combat and add the turn based option like trails 1stThe main problems were >Ps5 only>3 games>No party Make an entire new game multiplatform and a party system
>>739932770smt also mogs anything made by squenix
>>739931094they forgot the part about making the real-time combat good and not shallow as shit too, then it would've been alright ditching turn-based
>>739931094Problem is they also half-assed the combat system.>get DMC combat director to work on it>still needs to playable by people who never touched an action gameIt's astonishing how modding FF16's combat makes the damn thing better.
>>739932836>Smtfag had to hide behind persona Funny
>>739932819I like good JRPGs.
>>739932925Good JRPGs have random encounters because testing your resource management is part of the genre.
>>739932913im not even sure what this means. i like both
>>739932913SMTfags were always cowards and never got over Persona success over SMT
>>739932819Random encounters have thankfully gone the way of the dodo and everyone is better off for it. Being able to see the encounters while they respawn after a set period of time or having them spawn in chasing you is infinitely better to randomly getting hit with an encounter. It promotes the player dodging if they don't want to get into a battle meaning they have to be paying attention, allows them to ignore fights later on when they don't need items or farming, and is just generally better.Just look at how Pokemon immediately got more enjoyable to play because they got rid of it, especially when they started showing shinies too. Yeah, the games aren't exactly better as a whole, but in terms of the general flow it's so much better. PLA is basically one of their best because of it.
>>739932984>implying resource management is difficult in any jrpg random encounters or not
>>739931398>Afterlife GamesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>739932913>makes point that zoomers love Persona so turning away from turn based is retarded>Anon completely misses the point
>>739932984With all the safety nets today resource management doesn't really matter. Random encounters are the vestigial system that doesn't do anything but be annoying speed bumps when you can pick a trivial difficulty level, healing is automatic or comes at trivial expense, and autosaving has replaced paced blue crystals.
>>739933219So drop all that shit, retard.>>739933150>i've only played PS1 era final fantasy>>739933021>It promotes the player dodging if they don't want to get into a battleBut you're not supposed to. Dungeon crawling is supposed to be a test, not something you just dodge.
>>739932984you like running? enjoy your higher encounter rate.
>>739931643>Why is it so difficult for them to make a game just like 7, 8, 9 or 10 again?Because those games were made by a different company.
>>739932001Get in line.
>>739933321Which do you think is likelier to happen? All those QoL features people jerk off to get dropped, or random encounters disappear?
>>739931643people like to pretend like squeenix isn't making turn-based games. their problem is they want western aaa money from final fantasy, their flagship series. which means chasing trends.
>>739932894>It's astonishing how modding FF16's combat makes the damn thing better.FF16's combat has good bones. The problem is that it has no meat. And the +1% dmg skills and accessories are like tissue paper amount of skin left over on top of the aforementioned good bones doesn't help. I wouldn't mind if they completely ditch turn based and expand on the action gimmick as long as the make combat as customizable as earlier FF parties. There's a big empty void in the industry for action JRPGs that isn't gacha.
>>739931094Better game than 15
>>73993346515 is the best one though
>>739931094People like DMC and they made a game that was Final Fantasy with DMC combat. The problem was the story, which aimed for Game of Thrones but with all the trappings of Final Fantasy (the monsters, the crystals, the summons) which clashed with the twisted personalities of the various antagonists throughout the game.
>>739933321>Dungeon crawling is supposed to be a test, not something you just dodge.The dodging still takes skill, especially in small spaces or when they get crowded, and by completely ignoring them all you do is make specific scenarios harder. There's a tradeoff for ignoring battles.
>>73993349315 lacks polish, but it's a step in the right direction and they later perfected that with Rebirth.
>>739933219I think most JRPG devs don't put nearly enough effort into how those systems work. Game like Romancing SaGa 2 was doing this shit 30 years ago and even trying things like running narrowing your field of vision so you were trading faster movement for lowered ability to avoid encounters, for example.
>>739933674Yeah, I'm genuinely surprised they didn't use Remake's combat as basis for future games since it seems to tick both boxes.
>>739933436Chasing trends has led to FF sales declining though.
If the combat is Remake was so good, why did Rebirth flop the hardest of any recent FF?
>>739931643they are though, both 16 and the ps1 era games were made with the same philosophy in mind7 was also all about the story and being cinematic and having big hype moments with a huge budget
>>739933882Because it's the part 2 of a remake that lasts for TEN years
That explanation never made sense when fucking pokemon is still going strong with turn based gameplay.
>>739934060because pokemon crowd are not the jrpg crowd
>>739931094they failed miserably to capture the younger audience so they made a separation hail mary by begging tendies to buy remake and it also failed.
>>739934123desperation*
>>739931094anyone who likes this game should be hanged i thinkfucking MMO niggers destroyed what FF is about
>>739934123To be fair tendies didn't even mass buying xenoblade
>>739934060The producer, YoshiP, has a enormous chip on his shoulder with RPG games. He either outright despises them or doesn't get them, either way his work always tries to steer games towards action slop. The MMO too has all its RP elements gotten gutted in the past years, now its all about twitch reflex combat.
>>739933846XVI was developed around the same time as 7R, I believe. Yeah, I don't really get it either. I probably think they believed they could get away with a barebones game because KH did, but even the worst KH game has more content and deeper combat than XVI.
>>739934179Problem with games on Nintendo home consoles has generally been the fact audience primarily wants more Nintendo first party games. Just look at what sold on the Wii compared to how many consoles were sold. Xenoblade Chronicles succeeding was a fluke.
>>739934297Is that the cope we're going with now?
>>739934179Xenoblade audience is on pc but they won't ever port the games
>>739931094"Four dudes in a line taking turns to attack" is the absolute lowest form of gameplay. There are good ways to do turn-based, but the final fantasy formula is the bare minimum of "gameplay"
>>739934060Pokemon is for furries and pedos. Just look at the threads
>>739931323Nigger, Pokemon. The problem with appealing to kids isn't whether it's turn based or action, the problem is that kids do not know what the fuck Final Fantasy is because they don't make them often enough anymore. Kids have short attention spans. and they don't stay kids forever. If you don't put out a game at LEAST every other year, you have lost them. They will move on to something else.Final Fantasy 13 released in 2009. Final Fantasy 15 (we're not counting the fucking MMOs. Counting the MMOs makes you a fucking faggot) released in 2016. Seven years later. Final Fantasy 16 came out in 2023. Seven more years later.A "kid" who played Final Fantasy 13 at the age of 9 was 16 when 15 came out, and 22 when 16 came out. He's not a fucking kid anymore. Meanwhile in the same span of time, Pokemon released 12 paired mainline releases (11 if you don't count Ultra Sun/Moon, 8 if you don't count remakes and USUM). Release frequency is why they can't retain an audience. The games being turn based is a cope they came up with for their failures.
>>739934445people forget we had nothing but ff13 trilogy for the ENTIRE 7th generation and that was when final fantasy the brand really took a hit
Atlus is going to release Persona 6 the same year as Remake 3 and embarrass Squeenix again.
>>739934060It's not. That's why ninty is experimenting with the let's-go variant and other actiony spinoffs. We might see mainline Pokemon dying out
>>739931094>gets mogged by Atlus and the frenchSure showed them.
>>739934627what?
>>739931094It doesn't matter because Expedition showed that turn based wasn't the problem.
>>739934952It's more that name recognition and big budget will always impress majority of people. That's simply how it is. SE was always big, but today no one else can really throw that much money at a JRPG.
>>739932819bravely default did a good job with random encounters.give the player the option to turn it off.
>>739934872We get it, you are a salty final fantasy sissy, please continue seething
>>739934526The 7th gen was a really fucking bad generation for Japanese legacy IPs almost across the board. Not even Nintendo was immune outside of their flagship IPs (though striking initial gold with Wii Sports financially cushioned them far better than most other Japanese devs at the time). Shit, Square Enix alone got hammered on this with several IPs. Kingdom Hearts also got piped badly with KH3 missing not only the 7th gen but most of the 8th gen as well, and having to fill the space with a glut of prequels/interquels instead that turned the leadup to KH3 into fucking homework.
>>739931094Older generation ditchs Final Fantasy 16 for appealing to a younger generation.
>>739935098>picbecause they were competently written.just look at FF7 OG and the remake/rebirth games.it's like night and day
>>739934952>still sells rather decently overall.The last two games underperformed and generated huge losses to the company because they spent hundreds of millions making them.Dragon Quest generated more sales in less production cost
>>739931548Visions of Mana's story might be too simple. If the characters were a little more conflicted about killing themselves for their ritual, it might be a little more interesting.
>>739935098>>739935226I'd argue JRPGs were saved by portables during 7th gen.
>>739935226>Kingdom Hearts also got piped badly with KH3 missing not only the 7th gen but most of the 8th gen as well, and having to fill the space with a glut of prequels/interquels instead that turned the leadup to KH3 into fucking homework.Wouldn't be so bad if said Kingdom Hearts games were on consoles you are asking too much of your fans to buy scattered handhelds to keep up with inferior gameplay and a continuously BADLY written story. And in the end all the bullshit led to Kingdom Hearts 3 selling good but mostly due to HYPE itself. Kingdom Hearts 4 has no such hype. Kingdom Hearts 4 deserves to sell like shit.Especially when you consider all the burned out old fart fans while younger gamers don't give a fuck about Kingdom Hearts as a series. To them its some cringe old shit for old farts. Square Enix doesn't realize that Kingdom Hearts is not like Sonic or Mario, it does NOT stand the test of time.
>>739935098this mindset is what killed JRPGs and gaming in generalonce they realized that making more cinematic, high budget games that feel more like movies than video games was more profitable, there was no going back. and of course it will get more and more expensive with each game to keep people engaged. it's all FF7's fault
>>739934297Xeno is first party you dumb cunt.>>739934445Yeah SE was commenting about this for DQ, legacy is good but IP lacks usual fleeting demographic
>>739935521problem is both disney and squeenix are a joke nowadays. kingdom hearts existed because there was that period when people cared for the surreal crossover it offered.
>>739934297>audience primarily wants more Nintendo first party games>Xenoblade Chronicles succeeding was a fluke???
>>739935350Handheld gaming was the unsung hero in general for Gen 7, especially for Japanese gaming. Depending on how you classify handhelds, you could also chalk up the 3DS to Gen 7 (since it had a nearly two-year lead on the WiiU), which was arguably the hardest a handheld ever had to carry underdelivering consoles.>>739935521>Wouldn't be so bad if said Kingdom Hearts games were on consoles you are asking too much of your fans to buy scattered handhelds to keep up with inferior gameplay and a continuously BADLY written storyThis certainly made it worse. You needed a GBA, a DS, a PSP, and a 3DS to keep up with the series between Kingdom Hearts 2 and 3. Absolutely fucking insane ask to bridge two games.>>739935639Yep, novelty was a huge factor in KH1-2's favor. KH3 struck while the iron was cold, and KH4 is going to strike when the iron is buried deep in ice like Captain America.
>>739931548I didn't like any of these games and I disagree with several of these things. In fact, I lost interest in JRPG is because turn-based games with an actual budget, great non-cartoony visuals and ambitious stories haven't been made in 20 years.
>>739935927answer is to leave kingdom hearts alone in the past. fans always want sequels, but unless there's actual creative drive behind it you just get shitty cash grabs.
>>739933436>people like to pretend like squeenix isn't making turn-based games.What people usually mean when they say they want turn-based games is that they want what Final Fantasy, and JRPGs in general, used to be during the PS1/2 era. Turn-based games with an actual budget, settings that aren't just medieval fantasy and stories that aren't just 1-step above muh demon lord tier.
>>739935521>>739935786>waiting lets people skip most of the bullshit entirely thanks to HD Remix>except the two handheld games they glossed over with cutscene collections that don't even give full context to everything because they just didn't feel like bothering with those despite functionally having to remake KH1 from the ground up with 2's engine>also here's some SUPER IMPORTANT MOVIE STUFF of the mobile game - that covers maybe 1/4th of the gradual ideas of everything shitting the bed that has zero context for everything ELSE going on with that game's insanity>KH3 literally has to have game summaries and it's still not enough because most people just won't fucking read anywayAt this point the series is better off just rebooting or fucking off in an entirely new direction instead of continuing the Sora nightmares of ongoing continuity because Nomura being dragged around between projects and fucking about on his own terms has just ruined everything.
>>739933882Because Remake was garbage in every other aspect and the combat wasn't that great either.
>>739936076My contention is that KH didn't need to be so many games or last this long. The concepts and worlds would've been played out to a fine extent with like 3 major console games and 3 interquel/prequel handheld games, ideally finished by the end of the PS3 era (at least the console entries).
>>739936079I mean, I'd settle for rpg-maker tier shit with a good writer, graphic artist, and composer on board. You go back to earlier 2-d FFs, and they still hold up extremely well, despite having tile graphics and design that are practically freeware in 2026.A skeleton crew of key, competent people are the difference between an enduring legend, and slop that's too filthy even for itch.io.
16 is still better than the entire xenoblade franchise
>>739935532The obsession with cinematography is just one part. JRPGs used to be known (and maligned by western snobs) for their story focus, but between the never-ending desire for mass appeal, safety, censorship and sanitization JRPGs haven't had interesting stories in a long time. I can't even say they have stagnated. They have straight-up regressed.
>>739931094Final Fantasy 17: We want the Call of Duty audience
>>739935098>Xeno>High budgetReally mate.
>DQ>FF>KH>All in limbo because SE has no idea what to do with themArgh
>4 year old newsI hote you motherfuckers so goddamn much
>>739936573>About the stories in RPGs I can't stand the generic fantasy bullshit.you say this, but I have the exact opposite problem. most jrpgs are just fantasy kitchen sinks rather than anything with defined settings and story. that's why exceptions stand out.
>>739936595DQ is hardly in some sort of inactivity, between at least one game or spinoff a year at minimum. It's actually funny how many people completely overlook shit because of a long quiet gap on a mainline game. But we can point that at FF which has grown too reliant on FF14 tiding over quiet periods and got too stagnant for its own good, and definitely at KH which has nothing to show but cancellations and retarded bullshit.
>>739936534Xenosaga cost a fuck of a lot at the time, anon. You can really tell with the production values in ep1, that they had high expectations for it that fell flat and got them the Suit Talk before the next entry.Xenogears really wasn't though, yeah.
>>739936302>Xeno constantly lore dump but everything makes sense if you actually play games in order>Need track some dead phone game because nomura autismo can't fucking shove everything in one placeI still don't know why people even tolerate this shit.
Daily FFXVI seethe threadHas to be the most popular Final Fantasy ever made
>>739936694Xenoblade is also smart enough to treat its games with straight up expansions for a lesser price, as well as the massive benefit of all 4 main games being on ONE PLATFORM. Like holy shit one cannot underestimate the advantage of having your general audience having literally everything accessible in one place with plenty to chew on for those that keep loving it.
>>739936595All square has to do is give the KH games native switch 2 ports and not the cloud shit. Easy fucking money with little to no effort needed. Nintendo always had a healthy kingdom hearts fanbase
>>739931548I don't want any of thatYou guys really play those baby anime games?
>>739936694Because multimedia franchises were once considered a viable strategy. Mind you, I don't mean "tangential stuff that expands the story in optional ways". Look up .hack series.
>>739936769I genuinely forgot this abomination exists.
>>739936694Honestly, Saga still wouldn't make complete sense if not for the encyclopedia in EP3.There is a ton of shit that wasn't properly explained in any episode or side-game. If they never included that encyclopedia, you would've had to rely on the ODM and a couple other bible publications to make sense of things.At least with Gears, you didn't need Perfect Works to understand what you just played. Just what might-have-been.
>>739936894SE are so lazy man, all of those games would run fine on Switch 1 bar KH3Fucking hellNow they've removed the demos, i assume the native versions are comingToo fucking late(I say this but people will buy them anyway baka)
>>739936693>Blow ton of money on London orchestra>Get fucked later on due lack of money, bandai namco merger and usual lack of experience plus management being retarded.At least XB2 escaped whole curse in a roundabout way. I mean whole staff was too busy with zelda but both ended up quite successful.>>739936764XB1 wasn't even supposed to be a xeno game at first, problem now is that whole trilogy was just few lines of xenosaga lore.And none of those games are available at moment.
>>739937023I'd buy the collection. It'd be like when I used to play the games on DS, 3DS, and PSP. Good memories
>>739937023Demos missingjust checked the shop and yeah they are gone. When did that happen? Melody of memory still has its demo.
>>739936894>you can buy the entire collection for chump change on PS4>$50+ EACH on Epic and SteamSqueenix really is genuinely retarded.
>>739937398I hope the Epic money was worth it for Square, it legit ruined so many of their PC gamesJacks gameTWEWY2The KH seriesShake my fucking head
>>739931094>Final Fantasy 16 ditched turn-based combat to appeal to younger generationsFor how many more years are you going to continue making this thread, OP?
>>739936902Xenosaga DS fixed ton of stuff but never got localized.
>>739937581There was a fanpatch team working on it, might be finished by now or very soon
>>739937398because it's the age old "we can't quantity, so we'll gauge every sale for maximum profit". I assume their math says it's worth it.>pic relatedoooof
>>739937023It's astounding how many companies just squandered the hype given to them by SSBU.>Atlus took almost 4 goddamn years after Joker's reveal to port over mainline Persona games that would've easily run just fine on Switch>Square Enix didn't port DQ 4 or 8 to Switch and their entire sweet ass time shitting out a 2DHDslop remake of DQ3>Microsoft just dumped ROMs for Banjo Kazooie on NSO years after their Smash reveal>Namco didn't do shit with Tekken (or even anything tangential like a port of SC2HD with all three guest fighters) on Nintendo, not even a gimme like a Switch port of TTT2 (WHICH ALREADY HAD EXCLUSIVE NINTENDO CONTENT ON WIIU)>Square Enix cheaply rushed cloud ports of KH just to have them available when Sora was revealedSNK of all companies seemed to be the only ones who had some idea of what they had with Smash. They already had an established presence with their successful ACA releases on Switch, they embraced Smash's revival of Terry's classic FF2/RBS design and walked back his KoF14 redesign in 15, and went all-in on making Terry their foremost mascot/rep for crossovers (even retroactively sidelining Kyo Kusanagi in new official art for rereleases of old crossover games with Capcom and making Terry out as Ryu's SNK rival lol).
>>739937638People who were desperate enough to pay those prices didn't really care for timed Epic exclusivity, sadly.
>>739931094I never understood the buisness standpoint of alienating an old audience to cater to a new audience that'll most likely fail to grab their attention.
>>739937876because people age, anon. you need to keep renewing your audience. these ain't flying simulators.
>>739936824Xenosaga anime is quite shitty because it tried compress 4 disks worth of story in 13 episodes.It really makes me worry about any sort of XB adaptation.
>>739938174>Xenosaga anime is quite shitty because it tried compress 4 disks worth of story in 13 episodes.Yes, but on the flipside there's stuff like Tales of Symphonia animation.
>>739937960And on the other side adhering to "if it ain't broke don't fix it" rings true also. Yeah make some gameplay changes and updates over time but don't overhaul everything
>>739931094E33 proved turn-based combat can be good.
>>739937703>Square Enix didn't port DQThere is a "dq" festival on steam right nowWell turn you can only buy 1+2 hd, 3hd (no original), the uglier version of 11 that was made for the switch, VII remake (aka a uglier version than the ps1) and some bullshit like monsters (not the good one), treasures, heroes, builders...Just sell me the original you retard, I litteraly can't buy any original numeroted dq
>>739937876Because the gamble is always "new audience outnumbers the old core crowd = we can get more money from them". Ideally you'll do something that retains the old crowd as well.
>>739937960People fucking hated digimon playing gameplay roulette till they finally settled on Story/World gameplay loop. Meanwhile pokemon has none of that because gameplay is more or less same since forever.
>>739938260>Yeah make some gameplay changes and updates over time but don't overhaul everythingYou could do this when you were releasing a game every year or every other year. Now games take 5+ years to release so you can't really do minute incremental changes. You want to go full hog. Compare FF13 and FF15.
>>739938412pokemon be pokemon.
SE spends hundreds of millions to make FF games that look average at best. They need to go with a stylized approach over their current art styles and release games quicker. XVI being a flop wouldn't sting as much and they could have moved on and learned their lesson about betraying their core audience.
XVI sold 3mRebieth sold 2mE33 sold 8mThat is all
>>739938446>Waste fuckllions scanning rocks, buying prada purse collection, facescanning some model that nobody gives a shit, hiring gackt for gorllionth time....Yeah no wonder why it takes 10 years to make a single game.
>>739931094>to appeal to younger generations>the most popular games and franchises amongst the younger generations are all turnbasedKek. Next time do your market research more thoroughly
jrpgs peaked in the NES era when they were ultima clones but with good presentation
>>739932828This
>>739939065Also the big industry plant game last year that sold quite well was a turn-based RPG heavily inspired by games like Square's own turn-based games. This isn't an earnest failure of market research. Square Enix's flagship game teams just keep trying to rebel against the enduring past and mistakenly view turn-based gameplay as the central point of that nostalgia they hate.
>>739938446>ff13A game plagued with development hell and an engine that barely functioned?
>>739939769SAAR!
>>739931094Funny. Young people flocked to turn based games like Persona while abandoning whatever the fuck FF turned into after XIII.
>>739940189>only Indians criticize SqueenixIs that really what we're going with now
>>739940242Saar! please be buying the Enix game saar izaat improvement with you compulsory purchase of my game saar!
>>739931094>14TH JUL 2022
>>739931094>What did critically acclaimed Final Fantasy Producer, Yoshi-P, mean by this?That he's too much of a lame duck to take any risks. Making the game action based isn't a brave step - FF15 and FF7R already did that. Pairing that action with FFXIV style world building and aesthetics was also not a brave step. Yoshi P framing the design decisions around appealing to a younger audience as opposed to him just taking the safe path is pure nonsense. At this point it'd unironically be a braver to remake FF1 - create-a-party and all - than it would be to slop out another action combat Final Fantasy game budgeted with a 5 million sale break-even. I hope SE get this shit back on track and get people interested in their games because it's pretty sad to see their sales trends dip this low, and you can't even blame it entirely on aging gamers and young audiences literally never buying new games because CAPCOM is killing it. Even Konami's Silent Hill push is doing well. I just want SE to give Final Fantasy to a couple crazy people and rip off FFX-2 combat please. Fuck I'd even take a Final Fantasy set in Tokyo at this point please just try something and don't let Yoshi-P touch it.
>>739931548bold choice to pick only games that commercially flopped and were shat on as well to make the point
The issue is that Final Fantasy does not have any younger audience. Nobody under 30 gives a fuck about the FF IP.
>>739935990The issue isnt turn based games itself. Its mostly that if u make it turn based it needs some strategic thinking or a hook that gives it difficulty and spices up the combat. The use of life is prolly the best turn based jrpg i have played in ages, but games like that never get the popularity they deserve. Most gamer are really bad at games and dont care about quality, just quick dopamine hits, gype and brand.
>>739940601XIV is very popular with zoomer girls and trannies
The average fan of ff is over 40 years old. It's a dad series
a lot of the classic gameplay systems in JRPGs make sense in older NES/SNES era JRPGs because they were focused on dungeon crawling but the genre moved away from that to pander to a wider audience so it's a mess nowshit like random encounters and long dungeons don't work when there's no resource management or exploration. the games are all about going from cutscene location A to cutscene location B now
>>739940601fags, furries and trannies under 30 use ff14 to erp. Basically 2nd life for weebs, but without normal people bullying em into suicide.
They can't come out and admit that they no longer want to make turnbased games as they view them as antiquated. Instead they lie that the market doesn't want them despite sales signaling it does. Now they're stuck having to explain to shareholders why a turnbased game inspired by their old games that supposedly nobody wants anymore has broke 8 million units sold and will be over 10 million by years end
>>739935098>XenosagaI'm the only person who play that and I did so a few years ago not on release. It was godly in narrative but fuck me they couldn't do turn-based jrpg combat worth a fuck. I liked the turn boost mechanic though.
>>739935226>>739935521>>739936089I want to point out that Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep and Dream Drop Distance are in fact the "real" KH3 and KH4. Because the plot, gameplay and worlds are significantly more realized than whatever we got with ""Kingdom Hearts 3"" proper.Reminder that Dream Drop Distance got both the Three Musketeers and Fantasia world. Those are literally Disney Royalty in terms of IP. Kingdom Hearts 3 recieved no equivalent to those two which significantly diminishes the finale-like nature of the entry.It cannot be overstated how crazy it is that the 3DS entry of Kingdom Hearts got the two most anticipated worlds in the franchise.
>>739931094Good. Turn based combat is something born from hardware limitations and it kills all enjoyment while also severely limiting gameplay design.
>>739940673This. The people in charge of FF are scared to death to challenge the player in any meaningful way.
>>739935786>>739935521>>739936089Why are we pretending that Square didn't release easy ways to play / watch the portable games before 3 came out exactly for this reason?
>>739940913E33 is ue5 asset store slop, whos dad funded the game and advertising to market it per small indie angle to fool retards and rally em as useful tools. The game itself isnt better than the modern FF turds, if you remove the weird parasocial attachment people have for both. Games these days just live and die by hype and parasocial attachment whether it be the brand or idea the game markets. Quality these days plays barely a role in anything.
>>739941063Do you have reading comprehension?
>>739940981There were action RPGs even back during the 80's you moron.
>>739940601No. That's a symptom of the real issue. The games are just bad, have been since X if we're being honest. Inertia carried them through the XIII trilogy but XV shattered any illusion that FF is still a premium series
>>739936595>all healthy franchises with big fanbases >decide to abandon said established fanbases to chase the mythical wider audience because number must go up>number goes down instead
>>739941139Do you?>omg they made it impossible to follow along! We just have to ignore that they made it easy because uhh...I have to whine and bitch!
I liked it
>>739941752The third post you quoted points out the problem with that.
>>739931094The problem isn't "turn based vs real time" but the fact that final fantasy has such a slow release schedule that they fail to build a young fanbase.Between the years 1991-2001 we got final fantasy IV-X. If you were a young child at the time you almost always had a new release to play during your formative years.Between 2016-2016 we have gotten... final fantasy XVI. Technically remake and rebirth if you want to count them, but for a child that grew up during this time that's far too few games to get attached to the series.
>>739941854You think the fucker actually read through what he quoted? No. He noticed people criticizing Square Enix, saw red, and just flew into a rage.
>>739931548Since when do JRPGs have simple storylines? Not even sure what game that is.
Explain
>>739932564I don't recall a single moment of first person gameplay in FFXIII. What part are you referring to?
>>739932523Octopath 2 is actually well-liked. It sadly didn't get as much sales compared to the first game since the first game felt like a beta and people were already getting worn out by the HD-2D gimmick others copied before OT2 dropped.
>>739942283ass marketing in the literal sense and people espousing so much about how it's such a life changing game despite the combat arguably being the weakest part of the overall package alongside the pseudo open zone structure; versus a niche series that is so up its own ass about itself that the only way you can really enjoy or comprehend most of it is to play every single 60-80 hour game one by one after another while having shoestring budgets and only obsessed JRPG fans with a penchant for visual novel levels of wordswordswords care about.it's the difference between a successful AAA game with mainstream appeal, versus a hyper niche franchise i can't even call a single A unless voice actors in japan count.
>>7399422831 year, Automata is almost 10 years old
>>739931319would be cool if earlier FF got 2.5d remakes
>>739942283Trials is complete utter dogshit, I still don't understand why this entire boards sucks it's dick so hard. There are better RPGM games for $2 for fucks sake.
>>739942418Trails is an interesting case where being so long running and having an image of "bro, you NEED to play all the games to get the story" is actively harming the series at this point. Remastering first few games is unironically an excellent move because at some point you run out of new releases you can claim they're excellent starting points.
>>739942532Series that has five good games. Starting with Cold Steel it turned into a modern JRPG with all the cancer that entails.
>>739942618I have never played cold steel. Hell, I have only played 1 game in the series which was sky 1st and it was a pretty magical game for me. It clicked really well with what I wanted at the time.
>>739942656not to be rude, but you've basically played a prologue. if you want to avoid the rest of that carnage, wait for the remake of 2nd which is inevitable, because that's the real meat and potatoes, unless you're talking the original 1st in which case just grab the original 2nd. besides 3rd closing up some loose plot ends as more of an aftermath with a different cast focus, you can safely stop there because it's a void rabbit hole from hell.
>>739942575They should make them their own game or at least trilogy
>>739942465>Automata is almost 10 years oldThat's a lie! You're lying to me!
>>739942575it's just a very long winded series
>>739942745I played some Japanese version of it on the vita a long time ago. I remember I was feeling in a pretty good place with it. More wouldn't hurt and I was curious to see where it was going, but also pretty satisfied with the experience I got out of that one game. So I decided not to rush anything and let it be for a while. But then I just never came back to play the sequel.
>>739942418>ass marketing in the literal sense
Botted thread.
>>739931094Did the so called "younger generations" even buy this fucking game?FF16 appeals to no one
>>739941746DQ has to get younger people into the series because the average age of DQ fans in Japan is around 40-60 years old, while FF fags are around 30-40 years old, Poketards in the other hand have a wider age group between 10-40.
>>739942465So what's stopping smt, saga or octopath to sell that much?
>>739931323Explain BG3, StS, Expedition 33, and Persona, then.Taking turns is ingrained into our brains. Human beings enjoy it by default and it's why so many games from thousands of years have used these systems.
>>739943124zero mainstream appeal.>smtthe closet by being associated with persona, but it's poorly marketed outside of japan and only appeals to atlus fans, no one else. they're just "too out there" for most folks. persona cheats by effectively being self-insert school games that is insanely popular for folks.>sagasquare doesn't even market these games outside of twitter and the occasional nintendo direct sizzle reel. also just way too complicated for normies.>octopaththey tried, by god they really have, but a new IP + lacking the visual oomph as what felt like budget games to most resulted in them being a very niche audience too. same shit happened with bravely default, except BD skullfucked itself with questionable sequels.
>>739941192And they were all shit too because the systems could only allow so little "action".
>>739943124They look like shit to normies
>>739943124Unironically it is because people are stupid and foolishly use FF as a gold standard when they haven't made a timeless game in like 25 years. The older games have also aged rather poorly outside of like 2 of them.Meanwhile SMT and others have made advancements and iterations to the genre but people ignore them because they've been normie-pilled into thinking "anime bad" while simultaneously wanking BotW for featuring twinks and statutory rape (they used that side quest with the child zora and adult hylian not once, but twice).The mindset of the modern gamer has quite literally been warped into "Japan bad except when Nintendo does it," and most people have never really bothered to question that mindset. They blatantly ignore the frequent 90+ metacritic games that Atlus makes and refuse to touch them out of flawed principles.
>>739943741What fucking advancements? It's barely evolved from the first few entries.
>>739943307>>739943682>>739943741So the problem is graphics then
>>739943741Atlus is associated with Sega and by that time nintendo yakuzas used to spend A LOT of money to make Sega invisible and give them always a lower score
>>739943035i know a few tumblrtard e-girls who love it because of the romance, they're also XIVfags though
>>739931548>random battlesNever liked this shit
>>739942283Nier is fully carried by 2B's ass
>>739946673It's not even a particularly good ass. Eve's ass and game is 2B's but superior in everybway
>>739931094No japense turn based game is worth it after 33
Newer generations don't even have the attention span to learn and master a combo+juggle character action system.Unless it happens to appeal heavily to their ADHD hyperfocus.And FF16 has a very watered down system anyway.
>>739931548>random battlesjust copy trails or personacompletely random encounters suck ass
>>739946735Yeah, Stellar Blade didn't exist when 2B came to be (heh), also it's probably heavily influenced by Nier Automata. It's good that Eve pushed the limit beyond.
>>739946735Eve has the Korean debuff
>>739931094I'm sure there are currently more kids who play Pokemon than kids playing Devil May Cry, so this is a pretty shitty argument.
>>739946835they work for actual dungeon crawlers, not for open world shit
>>739931094Ignoring everything else: appealing younger generations is completely retarded. 1) there is less of them compared to millennials or gen x2) they have 0 purchasing power3) gen Z grew up with mobile gaming, console/pc gaming is completely alien to themI will never understand SE's chase of the younger gen instead of going for the older one that actually grew up with their games.
>>739947068>be young generation™>somehow can afford a PS5 and a game>checks options on YouTube/reviews>this one game is panned by 35+ year-old ancientfags who hate the series betraying its roots>don't buy it and look for another game
Why is it that people who claim to "true fans" of this series are also the ones who are most likely to talk about how shitty and outdated the old games are? Hell, some of them will claim cheap replacements like Octopath and Bravely are equal or better than them. What a strange breed of "fans".
Was Final Fantasy XVI on sale recently? There are daily threads about it now and they were gone for a while. There were just the usual Square ragebait and 7 Rebirth threads.
>>739947540>talk about how shitty and outdated the old games are?The fuck are you talking about? Everyone praises every pre-12 game
>>739947660Anons consider shitposts saying how 4 and 6 are shit by other anons who played those a dozen times each as non-ironic.
>>739941131>UE5 slopSo are the new FF games, complete with gay indian lovers and Cosmo canyon becoming a generic hotel area.
>>739942283Pokemon total sales 515 million.Explain
>>739942532People like it for what it tries to be rather than what it is. The concept is interesting. The execution sucks. The pacing is also so awful I gave up 4 games ago.
>>739947660Really? I was told repeatedly by zoomies that I was a living fossil who can't get on with the times for not liking XVI, while actual living fossils told me that the series was always "slop" and that either>lufia, terranigma and breath of fire were the actual good ones and I should kill myself for being a normieOr>that jrpgs in general are slop and that only western crpgs are valid, and I should an hero for being a pleb
>>739947540because most of them only like the one FF game they played as a kid and nothing elsehow many people ITT even played the NES trilogy, and I mean the actual NES games not the remakes
>>739948080Minor grammar mistake
>>739942287https://web.archive.org/web/20120206214545/http://www.1up.com/previews/final-fantasy-xiii-rpg
>ctrl+f "troon">ctrl+f "boomer">ctrl+f "barry">0 resultsHuh? Where's that action combat 7R schizo? This should be his thread
Why are pixel releases doing so well comparatively
>>739947553It's FF haters who are still hurt by FF popularity in the past
>>739948564That's literally beating a metaphorical dead horse.
>>739948880People LOVE being angry. You will see more threads about FF than about all those other jrpgs
>>739948880Oh I know. FF haters won as soon as FF lost the normie audience. Even FF7 fans are losing interest or aging out of the hobby. FF doesn't need haters, it's dying on its own. And yet the people who were mad at FF being popular 20 years ago have held on to the grudge. I guess I can't blame them for wanting to dance on FF grave now that they've won
>we have to appeal to a younger audience>we have to appeal to a western audience >we have to appeal to a broader audience SE might be the most retarded company in gaming history.
>>739942249It's called Pokemon. And it fufills every single one of those desires from JRPG fans. And guess what? It's the biggest JRPG franchise in existence. I
>>739931094I would have been perfectly happy with action combat if it had been any goodToo bad the game was trash in every way other than a few tracks of the ost, the combat being among the worst offenders.
>>739949118angry about what? they're laughing as ff circles the drain. if xvi and rebirth were selling 15 million each they'd be angry. if xiv was going from strength to strength instead of limping along like a zombie, they'd be angry.are you just pretending they're angry to feel better? and in your head, what is it they're angry about today?
>>739931094Good call, as a 2001 zoomer i avoided FF because tuen based is boring and outdated, but 15 (my first FF) was actually really fun, and i enjoyed being able to fly around with swords as Noctis, and im playing on getting 16 soon after i beat Death Stranding. So id say its a good change, because its brought me into this old series.
>>739931323>Tactics OgreWho the fuck plays TO as a 8 years old?
>>739949181Nobody is angry at FF these days. People might lament or cheer on its demise, but anger is not one of the emotions being felt.
>>739949925It's the same level of anger you feel when you realise you've stepped in shit and you have to scrape it off. It's there, but it's buried under disgust.
>>739949682Yes, people love being angry. I mean it's been TWENTY years, you are telling me people still never got over it and are unable to talk about other jrpgs? It's like that feminist meme where women rather enter feminist careers over real careers
Only /v/ could dig up old news and treat it like new news, just to be gigantic faggots.
>>739949391it worked for capcom
>>739950002??you didn't answer the question then said something about feministsagain, why do you think they're angry at ff in its current state? its more likely they're just pointing and laughing at gramps because he's fallen and cant get up
>>739950006we know it's old news, this mindset is still a problem and there's nothing else to talk about because i dont care about sextape or whatever the kids are posting about now
FFags love to celebrate prematurely and shit up /v/ with constant threads pre-release, but cry when they get reminded of their dead franchise once in a while.
>>739933846If they make something new using the 7R combat as the baseline, for the love of all that's holy, ditch the stagger gage: it has plagued the franchise since XIII and it's a crutch if i ever saw one.
Expedition 33 mindbroke Square.
the fanmade XVI demake demo looks fun, I didnt play the actual game but I'll play that if they release a full game
>>739940962>finally gets a Fantasia world>it only has the bare minimum representation from the safest pieces, a.k.a. Nutcracker, Pastoral and Sorcerer's Apprentice>Chernabog fight is for Riku only and it's a glorified dive in sectionAs someone who's childhood was heavily defined by the Rite of Spring segment, this was disappointing. And i can guess something based on that was considered at some point because the T-Rex dream eater in the 3 Musketeers world really feels out of place, so probably it's a retooled asset, similar to the monkey unversed in BbS which likely were going to be in the Jungle Book world.
>>739931094FF 16 was goodFf 15 (Royal Edition) was goodFf7Rebirth was pretty goodBut ya'll rather play some Persona-esque virgin game or DQ a.k.a. "the same fucking thing all over again"
>>739950367He knows that, he's just one of the gramps and he's trying to cope.
>>739938235Almost all anime adaptations from game suffer from cutting a lot of important stuff due to being too condensed. The TWEWY anime is laughable because of it, just for one example, but to me the cake is taken by Star Ocean EX, which adapts literally only the first half of the game, and badly too.
giving rights to women was a mistake, we should take them away and locked them into a dungeon without internet and only bring them out to impregnate them. that would fix every ruined franchise, especially FF
>14th July 2022
>>739931094Lower the budget and target your old audience. Zoomers don't give a single shit about Final Fantasy.If you want FF to sell to zoomers you're going to make it multiplayer, a simulator, or a vampire survivor clone.
>>739936694>Announces Novel that will bridge video game with movie>Cancels book>release the movie
>>739931094/v/ complains about roll slop and especially turn based combat for years, Clair Obscur is both, it really boggles the mind how astroturfed that product was
>>739951449it was melodrama shit for women, every single twitch thot and vtuber acted like it was the best game ever
mmo devs give you mmo quality. (boring tedium for retards)
>>739951094Yea OP is a huge fucking faggot anyone with a brain knows the last turn base final fantasy game was FF13 or FF10 if you want to be technical which was 17/ 26 years ago
>>739931094Bringing in a new audience makes business sense, what doesn't make sense is getting rid of the huge audience of paying customers you already have. It's like taking a giant corporation and trying to be a startup again.
>>739931094>I THOUGHT ABOUT THE EXPECTED SALES OF FINAL FANTASY XVI AND THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE TO DELIVERLol 3 years after launch and still no sales update, meanwhile Octopath has had multiple.
Evidently it worked, it outsold Octopath and Rebirth
>>739931094>Persona basically took the FF target audience with turn based combat>ignore this>probably looking at how KH has a younger audience than FF but ignoring that it's because KH is not as old and has Disney in itIs this guy retarded?
>>739951886Worked how? It undersold it's competitors by an enormous margin.
>>739951886Not a high bar. XVI is the most profitable game for SE in a long timeYoshi-P knows how to ship a game under budget and on time
>>739951821It just recently hit 7 million. Very strong legs for a series with such a small budget.
I just wish we had an action game with a Job System.SoP is too masocore to be enjoyable in higher difficulties.
>>739932412There was actually a 3rd and I believe a 4th thread as well. He does this every single day and has been doing it for years. When he's not samefag shitposting about XVI, he is defending VII Remake or Rebirth in one of those threads that he also makes several of every single day.
>>739952000Uh huh.
>people are talking about game mechanics and shit>americans wake up>thread devolves into brand wars and sales faggotary
I wanted to know how to remap my buttons in DMC5 because playing Nero and Dante is hurting my hand.
>>739952174It's all so tiresome man.Why can't we just talk about fucking games.
>>739952138Meanwhile their turn based games are actually turning a profit.
>please stop reminding us that yoshitpiss was wrong and that xvi was a flop at every single level of its existence Kek no
>>739952258>spend big money trying to appease to everybody>appease to nobody>spend less money appealing to niches>niches buy your productThis is a fucking mystery, how do fucking magnets work. Also are Bravely 2, Octopath 2 and Triangle Strategy worth it? The discourse online around these games is completely schizo and there are no demos other than Octopath 2.I finally finished my backlog after years and am looking for new stuff. I heard the Front Mission remakes are trash and that's a bummer.
>>739952464>Bravely 2, Octopath 2 and Triangle Strategy worth it?Bravely 2 isn't as good as the 3DS games but it's alright if you're itching for an FF3/5-like job system game. Octopath 2 is a much better game than the first, highly recommend.Haven't played TS
>>739952174Blame the op for being a nigger
>>739931643But they are. The games you mentioned are the beginning of the linear movieshit garbage we have today.They should go back to at least V in order to be successful again. See >>739931319
>>739931094>open thread about sales>get mad that people are talking about sales>samefag about how mad you areWhy does he/they (singular) do this every time?
>>739932523IIRC:>OT2Did well for its budget, pretty sure the devs did the customary "X UNITS SOLD!!!" tweet.>VoMFlopped, but studio was also closed DAYS before it released.>BD2I think this one did relatively poorly.>Digimon Time Stranger.Did pretty good IIRC, the main deal is the budget and Dev time, but no one went out and said it "Underperformed" IIRC.
>>739950367Because you don't play jrpgs, I'm just laughing at the constant FF threads instead of giving attention to other jrpgs
>>739952174I still think they should have added the bits in the game
>>739952981The bits and leviathan dlc accessories that alter how eikon abilities work should've been late game gear.Just cooldown/damage is too fucking lame.
>>739931094That's a lot of bullshit. Anytime someone says something like, the kids, casuals, women, etc don't like turn base games say "What about Pokémon".
i havent played any games made after 2018
>>739952401>he posted the articles againFF7 Demake and 16 trannies are going to seethe at you now.....
>>739952174What mechanics? Mash square and use abilities off cool down. They paid to consul Platinum games and ignored everything they said to dumb the game down for retards who can't into action games.
>>739953161How haven’t you killed yourself? There been so many interesting games that came out after that date. My self just played nine sols and enjoyed it alot
>>739951821It's not a good look for FF when Square Enix will announce DQ sales even in English but remains quiet about FF7R and FFXVI
>>739931094What's FFXVI story even about? Shit was so forgettableThat's the problem i think, you can make something old like FFVI work with action combat but you can't make up for your game being unremarkable
>>739953223NTA but that’s probably the worse way to play the game and make fights last 2/3 times longer than someone that knows what their skills do
>>739952174Why lie? People from the start of the game have been talking about how shit the series is these days
>>739953356The same retards keep complaining about HP bloat of enemies, when even boss fights don't usually take longer than 4~5min if we're not talking about the kaijuu eikon battles.I wonder why.
>>739953275there's pretty much an endless amount of old games that are actually good, im just playing those i might play games like nine sols one day if i get sick of what im playing but when i look at something like ff16 or 7 remake i just feel like this hobby is something completely different than the gaming i like
>>739931094It also ditched the rpg elements. Dumbest fucking company on the planet.
>>739953452Like maybe at the very start it may be hp bloated if you have no idea what you’re doing but with the addition of garuda you should be fine and test out the skills and see what they do lol like. Like looked at my past ffxvi videos and random fights can easily last like a few seconds if you know what you’re doing
>>739936637>Valkyrie Profile>also The spin off didn't sell as it should beThe franchise deserved better
>>739931319Bravely Default 2 sold like dogshit though.
>>739931094This crap was so bad it made me nostalgic for XV.
What made these four so magical and special?
People want controllable party members and a Job system, even if it's party members with predefined roles that takes inspiration from Jobs. Yet SE insists that FF should be a solo action RPG with the occasional AI controlled guest character.
>>739931094Turn-cringe combat became obsolete the minute Zelda dropped in 1986. No amount of nostalgia will take away this simple fact.
Oldfags should remember this happened once before the Squeenix in the 2000s. During the >everything going 3D brown n bloom shootan military spess mahreens... I guess we have to give up everything we were good at in the 2d , pixel art, turn based sphere >Things go completely to hell, it takes a decade for them to figure out that no, people liked what we used to do However making the same mistake again is insane. Real time combat is okay too in the right places, but trying to appeal to younger players with fortnight twitch action bullshit or whatever and changing major tentpole titles because of it is just not going to work. Even back in the day they could sell both Kingdom Hearts or Dissidia alongside turn based titles of some sort. Just the same that more recently Stranger of Paradise was an "action-y final fantasy". However, I must reiterate constantly that SQUARE ENIX IS THE MOST UNEVEN MAJOR JAPANESE PUBLISHER. Sometimes they do the right thing, sometimes they do major stupidity. Taking forever to bring Kingdom Sharts to PC for instance, THEN locking it to Epic for ages which didnt' sell, etc.. is part of the stupid. Likewise, when some games didn't have JP audio (Final Fantasy IV 3D Remake), or how they took fucking forever to get Bravely Default to PC (and when they did with the HD Remaster it is still censored globally because they couldn't be assed to have both a JP version and western version. Thankfully there is a mod to fix at least the player outfits - if the mod maker will update it to fix the rest of it who knows), yet whined that Bravely Default II didn't sell very well even showing up randomly on PC with no fanfare, when it should have had BD1 and Bravely Second release BEFORE it. Likewise, we still don't have The World Ends With You Final Remix on anything but Switch, yet they get upset about how NEO TWEWY didn't make a fortune when its a DIRECT sequel. Fuck, SE is so fucking uneven its keyboard cats publishing
>>739954618Part of it was the Party system. In a group with different personalities the main character has dynamics to play off and against. For example in FF8 you had Squall the brooding moody cunt, but then you had Zell the try-hard happy go lucky always there to give a thumbs up and a smile. It makes Squall that much more interesting, or FF9 with Zidane when he can play off against other personalities rather than in FF16 it's just relentlessly "Clive...Clive...Clive...brooding...man...fuck...I hate everything and want the world to burn...fuck...JOSHUA!...fuck... hate my Mother"
>>739952975>I'm just laughinggood, so the ff haters are laughing as ff dies, and the remaining ff fans are also laughing because there are constant laugh at ff threads
>>739931094>Ditches turn based combat >Next 2 GOTYs in a row are turn based combatKEK. It must be embarrassing to be so out of touch...
>>739952401Why do modern FF fans act like no game ever meets Square expectations? It seems like there are a few examples where there sales expectations were met and surpassed.
>>739955779It seems they only ever exceed expectations when they had little to begin with. It's like expecting a game to be a financial flop but finding out it broke even
SE could easily test the viability of TB games by greenlighting a modestly budget "AA" remake of one of the older games, like 5. They won't because it might be too big of a success, then they'll have to explain to shareholders why they've spent the past decade turning the series into a shitty DmC clone.
I like when SE fans try to be smuggies even when drowning in Ls
>>739955779Flopped tranime kiddieslopI'd rather play XVI and Redditbirth
FFXVI will probably get a less-fucked Director's Cut version for its eventual Switch 2 port, to actually reach the 'younger generation' this time.
>>739956853Actually it was very successful in doing that already according to the Director/v/ just likes to pretend otherwise
meanwhile bg3 & e33 came out soon after & blew everything out of the water. turn based games are a lot of fun. they just have to be good.
>>739956960They can claim that but young people couldn't care less about it. Observable reality says otherwise
Why don't companies just make call of dooty clones and call it a day?
>>739957005Your niche online hate bubble is not realityFFXVI is the most successful FF in a very long time
>>739956436mindbroken V13 trannies have been "i'm not mad, haha, you're mad, haha"ing for over a decade
>>739956853Yoshi bet that stuff on the success of the PC version. I'm thinking that the switch 2 port will probably just be a straight port.
>>739957437The PC version being a straight port is why I didn't touch it in the first place. People had legitimate gripes with the original release, and nothing was addressed.
>>739934445Kids that grew up in the NES to the roughly 360 era took for granted how you could get a sequel to a game yearly or every other year.FF 4 -> FF 5 -> FF 6 All came out 18 months from each other because they could just brute force it heading straight into the next game after completing the previous one but due to games being more complex these days, it's impossible to do that. What studios have to do now is develop these games concurrently if they want releases to happen in a timely mannerTeam Asano leadership has talked about this where their games may seem simple to make compared to AAA slop but they still all take roughly 5 years and it makes sense when looking at their output after Octopath TravelerHD2D Output:Octopath Traveler - 2018Triangle Strategy/Live A Live - 2022Octopath Traveler 2 - 2023DQ3 HD2D - 2024DQ1+2 and Octopath Traveler 0 - 2025Adventures of Elliot - 2026They're only able to do this by having different teams working concurrently>Acquire OutputOcto 1 - 2018Octo 2 - 20236 year gap>ClaytechworksBravely Default 2 - 2021Adventures of Elliot - 20265 Year gap>ArtdinkTriangle Strategy - 2022DQ3 HD2D -2024DQ1+2 HD2D -2025- This one is a bit more complicated and still a mystery since DQ remakes were originally handled by another studio called Amata K.K before dev was transferred to Artdrink similar to how CC2 was taken off 7 Remake before being brought inhouse. Still a mystery how they were able to get it done as quick as they did since the initial reveal trailer looks vastly different than how the remakes looked at release
>>739957437They're doing the same with part 3
>>739957859That sounds more like a sure thing than something contingent on sales.
>>739960721ThisFFVII will be milked forever. Anyone who expects part 3 to be a satisfying conclusion is going to get KH3'd all over again.
>>739931453>Idk what actually young people would want from Final Fantasybeing able to play as the characters in Fortnite
>>739933436their last turn based rpg with an actual budget was almost 10 years and it was a fucking enix game
>>739940841Isn't that every single popular MMO since the dawn of time?
>>739940459To be fair, Yoshi-P took a big risk with XIV's current expansion and it didn't pay off. He's getting too old for risk-taking. We need a replacement.
>>739940914XS3 have the best implementation of whole thing.
>>739931453Young people don't want anything from FF because they don't know or care what it is.
>>739931643Structurally western economies are incapable of maintain the standard and quality of industry from 30 years ago.
>>739957437>buy the port and maybe we'll give this game playable party members!what the fuck happened to this series
>>739931094And they gave the game a combat system that is made for an 8 hour game, not a 40 hour one, which the game is.
>>739931094It's been rumored that a lot of FF16's design decisions were made at Sony's request. Notice how all of the other franchises kept turn-based combat and sold way more especially on Switch? Don't know if DQ12 is also going to be turn-based, because apparently Sony requested a lot of things for that too, before S-E broke off from PS exclusivity.
>>739957437PC version sold a mil on its own though it did wellSo at the very least FFXVI sold 4.5M not bad at all
>>739960807Rebirth sold like dogshit so I think the VII golden goose is actually cooked this time
>>739931323Turns out you're just retarded. I was playing the OG NES Dragon Warrior games at that age. DW2 is absolutely peak.Did I still prefer Mega Man and Castlevania? Yeah. But I wasn't "frustrated" with DW2. I fucking loved that game.
>>739950556It's funny because Xenoblade 1 already solved the stagger issue long ago.>Can only stagger an enemy if you do a specific sequence of debuffs>Each character only knows 1-2 of the moves required, so you need to coordinate their attacks in the correct order>The enemy can interrupt the sequence with a counterattack or by protecting themselvesAnd Monolith haven't fucked with it ever since.
>Appeal to a younger a audience>For a franchise that's old enough to own property>Franchise who truly reached its peak the 7th iteration of it that came out in 97.Actual retards.
>>739957437Lmao I remember when those trannies were saying that PC will save its sales.
>>739942283quantity vs quality
>>739942283Turd-Based games don't sell anymore. Nobody buys them.
>>739933021Retarded dumbfuck namefaggot.Pokemon dropped hard in quality the moment they dropped random battles.Theres no fucking tension without it, you're just a lazy retard. Fuck you
>>7399657958 million people bought a game made by the worst people on earth(the french).
>>739966158pokemon has never been a high quality franchise and dropped off a cliff with gen 6
>>739955548>they managed to fuck up the Party systemI'm glad I didn't play FF16.
>>739943124Average gamer has brown skin and a 70iqWhy would games like smt that touch on different ideologies, mythologies and religion appeal to a broccoli haired brainlet.Let the little niggas play fortnite and forza and whatever, let em be happy. I would just really prefer if these companies stopped trying to capture them because they want awful games and I like good games
>>739951449Everyone who complains about turn based combat is a sub 70iq negroid. They dont represent me.
>>739955548True that about the contrasting of personalities.I like this picture because it's like X and IX telling VII and VIII "don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened" while XII looks on knowing the future will be dogshit.
Should I get it?
Faggot game
>>739968145>that pictureToo full of cute boys considering Dissidia NT was as bad as it was.
>>739968475why is he showcasing the controller during the gay scene like it's a vibrating dildo
>Hate 16>Keeps talking about itWhy? Just ignore it and let it fade into obscurity.
>>739970147It was such an unforgettable and moving experience that anon-kun literally cannot let it goThey do say the closest thing to love is hate.
>>739967420FF16 didn't really even have a proper party system. Every "party member" was a plot-mandated guest ally with no growth or interesting tidbits of their own, so they were story-focused. And basically everyone that wasn't Clive existed to push Clive's story in some way or another. They completely missed the point of Final Fantasy in almost every single way to try to make a cinematic movie action game and fucked it all up.
>>739970147wouldve been easier back then when it didnt take 7+ years for a new main game
>>739972504Practically every RPG system felt like it was tacked on at the end, especially the level system.Made no sense that some random asshole in a desert was somehow stronger than a fucking Eikon.
>>739931094
>>739970147Shitting on it is more fun than the game.
I think it was a dumb fucking idea to give a mainline entry to yoship, whos claim to fame is making boring ass simple mmo quests. And when given the budget to make a real game? What does he do?Good Value DMC with mmo fetch quests and grinding. Brilliant, thank god squuenix has some intelligent men at the head.
>>739942283>Left>NISA "localization">Right>One of the best female asses of the generationShould tell you everything you need to know
>>739966158>Thinking the random encounters being removed somehow affects the bad writing, linear maps, or dumbing down of the trainers.It did nothing of the sort and changed nothing, it only improved the general flow of actually going from one place to another and meant you might actually realistically see rare encounters without having to luck into them or knowing they exist.Again, PLA is one of Pokemon's best games simply because of all the new mechanics it added that every game starting from it should make mandatory, actually let players explore again (Even if the maps are mostly barebones outside of stuff to catch), and introduced tons of quality of life changes that you would argue are also a "drop in quality".
>>739962623>what the fuck happenedThey made it PS5 exclusive* while also trying to conform to Sony's playbook for AAA releases.
>>739943124Simplicity or overcomplication, the look of being low budget, and difficulty.SMT doesn't succeed because>It has no appeal for anyone but people heavily into multiple country's mythologies or religions, or are already Fatlus fanboys.>The designs are all over the place and many of them are intentionally unappealing.>It's primarily filled with VN-level dialogue and text.>It looks very low budget for basically any game they've ever released including SMTV.>Has complicated or annoying mechanics.Simple example is the recruitment system.>Pushes people away who are religious and can't separate fiction from their own beliefs.Simple examples being summoning Satan and YHVH as a boss.>Its combat wants you using buffs, debuffs, and taking elemental advantages which most people are not used to in JRPGs to the degree it asks you just to progress the story.>Occasionally has nonsense like Mot.Persona works because of the school setting, dating, and social links.SaGa doesn't succeed simply because of its roster size and how freeform it is. It's overwhelming and leads to a disjointed experience a lot of people don't like. That's ignoring the fact that they never advertise the games when they do localize them. I have a relative who only knows it exists because of the gacha that went EoS.Octopath has actively tried seriously to appeal to people and they simply do not want it past the niche of one or two million people each time. You could argue this is because of the whole "Play through a character entirely and then they join up with others" thing so you're dedicated to specific stories for hours. It's also visually ugly, many people dislike the HD2D thing it has going on. I think it's fine.I think going multiplat with it specifically was also a really retarded idea because a big reason why the first one sold as much as it did was that it was exclusive to the Switch and seemed like its own personal JRPG
>>739931548random encounters should be mandatory
>>739966158>Pokemon dropped hard in quality the moment they dropped random battles.Pokemon dropped off hard because of Game Freak, everyone just spammed repels to ward off random battles anyways.>>739937876If you alienate the old crowd you can do dogshit decisions since the new crowd wont have a frame of reference. You have to think from a business perspective because none of these shits are your friends.
>>739942618FOUR okay games, because Azure is overrated and deserves no fucking glazing except for its gameplay.>>739942575Maybe they should fucking conclude their important storylines in one fucking game instead of padding out their stories and almost any time they've tried to engage in proper writing its one of the worst written pieces of shit ever in a video game.A fucking curse is what causes a country to go to war? Piss off.
>>739931323Children love board games and board games are turd based. You're fucking retarded. What children don't like is when you treat them like fucking retards, which is what every modern game does.
Turd-Based games just don't sell anymore. Nobody buys them. J-Action kino is the way forward for Final Fantasy.
>>739931548>Random encounter every 5 stepsThere's nothing worse besides escort quests
>>739982821There are only a few things sadder than a 15 fanboy, and thats a 16 one.
>>73998301816 is the best one though15 is trash
>>739931094>>739974853Yoshi-P did save FF14 and turn it into basically the only Square Enix product from the 21st century that consistently makes money (other than them shoving 2B's fat white ass into gacha collabs). FF14 also got tons of praise for its story, which is only amazing relative to other MMOs, which treat story as an afterthought. This confused the suits at Square and made them think he could actually make a good single-player game if given the opportunity, which he obviously can't.
>>739983246He did thoughXVI is a 9/10 at least
>>739983246XVI and XIV stories are much better than the majority of mainline Final Fantasy games and most AAA games
>>739931548So the "critics" like>real time battles>overly complicated Stories>Hyperrealistic art-styles>Zero-fanserviceso what game would embody each?
>>739932542This game is so easy the final boss's weakness is cure and your party member's are usually much stronger than you?
>watered down DMC with 0 rpg mechanics who is this game for?
>>739983365>XVI and XIV stories are much better than the majority of mainline Final Fantasy games and most AAA gamesMost AAA games are gun/ball/action slop (CoD, FIFA, Monster Hunter, Assassin's Creed) that barely have stories at all, not really a high bar to clear. And FFXIV's story is very hit-and-miss. ARR is garbage, HW is good, SB is ok, SHB is good, EW is good, DT is garbage.
>>739942532A. it has some of the best turn-based combat in the entire genre and actually has difficultyB. it has the most fleshed-out world in the genre with an enormous cast of likable charactersThe problem with trails is - the pacing is often pretty glacial with large chunks of the game with barely anything happening. You often have no idea what the main conflict of the game even is until like 2/3 of the way through- the character designs are pretty generic- not much in terms of optional exploration, every area is an area you visit in the main story- often bogged down by dogshit sidequests- in cold steel it descends into a harem anime, series also seems to suffer from kinda bad anime writing generally as it goes on- villains often have the pattern of show up->accomplish nothing->call it a test and teleport away- pretty much nobody ever dies so it hardly ever feels like there's any stakes
>>739931094i straight up forgot this game existed.
better to have a harem game than waiting for estelle and josuha to fuck each other after 30 years of waiting
>>739983638I'd bump ARR up if you do Coils storyline as that's basically the real MSQ. Most of ARR has really good worldbuilding as well.
>>739931323I'm 47 and I also despise turn-based trash, so I would say this is a universal thing. I don't reject turn-based combat because the combat is bad per se, but because it is repetitive, slow and just plain boring.That said, I played Starcraft, Quake 2, Ocarina of Time, Baldur's Gate 2 et al. when I was young instead of rotting my gamer brain with Pokemon, so maybe that has something to do with it.
>>739984071>I'd bump ARR up if you do Coils storyline as that's basically the real MSQThe problem is almost nobody does Coils since it's entirely optional. >Most of ARR has really good worldbuilding as well. ARR has good worldbuilding but it's bogged down in endless fetchquest bullshit. The Company of Heroes questline literally has you collecting cheese, wine, and other supplies for a fucking party over multiple hours of gameplay (including at least one dungeon, Brayflox), and the payoff is fucking nothing. And the story is riddled with this nonsense. You could cut ARR in half and not a single thing of value would be lost.
>>739983246Is it April yet? I still haven't heard about these RPG mechanics.
>>739931094Not a fantasyfag. All of the "recent" ones look like they don't have any color or personality while pretending to be deep by having their MC's kick the bucket.
>>739974853Creative Studio 1 (the Final Fantasy studio) is busy with the Remake trilogy, so somebody else had to make a new mainline Final Fantasy game.Anyway, Final Fantasy XVI is an excellent game despite its faults. It probably also has the best protagonist, waifu and love story in the series.
>>739984665FFXVI is a very enjoyable tv show, taking classic JRPG themes and incorporating elements of popular American stories like Game of Thrones, with stunning art direction and music. I'm just not sure why I had to hold a controller in my hands and occasionally press x to make the scenes progress.
>>739984790but the epic set pieces bro
>>739984790>Final Fantasy XVI has no combatThe cope is real.Final Fantasy hasn't been turn-based pixel slop in decades, old man. Move on with your life. Go and play Pokémon or something.
>>739931094turd based sissies are mentally ill.
>>739961227Why do you want them to make a big budget turd based game when excrement 33 came out and you retards say how little it cost to make?
Tabata won
>>739931319DQI and II remakes were genuinely great, especially II. III was oddly the worst of the bunch.
posting the same bullshit huh
>>739950556I actually liked it in Lightning Returns, but it basically only works if you "Solved" the enemy and it also involved hitting specific parts of an enemy and it worked nicely with the rhythm, but holy fuck it's satisfying once you hit that specific sequence that instantly melts an enemy there because you are doing like 3 Stagger conditions at once (of varying specificity), it has been downhill since though and it was the only time it really felt nice.
>>739932687Getting bought out by sega and giving every penny they make to fund dogshit kek.
Uh oh. Melty.
>>739940209>>739951978Everything not named 5 sells like shit.
>>739985629its sunk cost fallacy, he spend his whole life dick sucking FF
>>739932564But they already did resonance of fate
He's chimpin out.
>>739985629UH OHBarry turn-sissy melty...kek
starting to think bro got the SE of FF7 and now is coping
>>739931094They've been saying this since 13 & retards keep parroting it like its new because they dont understand it was never coming back
>>739985629Fake News.
>>739934278KH1 is barebones and simple but the core gameplay feels tight enough that it does give a great arpg feel. KH2(FM) then tweaks it and becomes a stellar Action game with light rpg elements
>>739985629>3 days til launch>not even 1k preordersLolol
check if Rebirth has more current players than metaflop for me sissy.
rebirth fags really think turning RED XIII into a disney character is good
>>739985781How funny that turn-based is even deader in Japan than the rest of the world. If it isn't Dragon Quest pixel slop, then nobody will buy it.
>>739985917Oh no nono IT HAPPENED AGAINAHAHHAHAHA
>>739985917Nothing to do with the combat style and everything to do with Redditbirth being woke trash.
>>739986226DEI had to sneak them in
>>739985369Kek trueXVI won bigly
>>739986104
>>739985917Keep coping
>>739985917>>739986104Still coping, Barry?
>>739931643E33 was basically X but better combat
>>739985917>>739986104Grok can we get an image of Bluey choking out CloudThe weak should fear the strong
>>739985917>>739986104How did SE fall this far holy shit.
>>739985359Oh there's plenty of mindless button mashing in between the cutscenes. Not too different from FFXIV's MSQ dungeons. The difference is FFXIV has an endgame with raiding at the end, as well as a whole social scene.
>>739985781no wonder these poorfags got bought out by seg -ACK!
>>739986460They've fallen so far that their main competition is Atlus who has to give all their money to Sega KEK
>>739931548Retard
>>739986474>f16 end game is a fuck rogue like mode/arcade to compete vs others.NOOOOOO!
>>739986575Keep on coping turn-troon. SE is never going back to no-sales turn slop no matter how many seethe threads you make. >>739985781 >>739985673
>>739986460SE is doing fine. It's only Final Fantasy that has been an unmitigated financial failure. Rebirth still hasn't even sold 2 million copies.
>>739985369>raped by dqm3Grim
the problem is that square-enix will never be enix
>>739986823>still coping
>>739986823Actually it can be argued they haven't sold even 1 million. SE loves to show off their combined sales like they do in your pic but they haven't update Remake + Rebirth to 8 million combined sales yet.
>>739931094It's got to sting knowing E33 sold 3x more with 10% of the budget.
>>739986104Kek
>>739986226They flat out said they make games for western ideals now. It's not surprising that this is what FF has become.
>>739986823The cope is insane. Get a fucking life, you mentally retarded sales schizo.
>>739985917>>739986104This is like the 4th time Bluey btfo FF7 Remakes. Wtf is actually going on.?
>>739987629How is this post different from this anon's>>739931398? They're using e celeb/journalist reviews to back up their logic rather than their own opinion.
>>73993392716's story and characters were not very good, cinematic but not that interesting and entertaining. If story would've actually been good a lot of things could have been forgiven but not even halfway through it and story already falls apart. The story is so boring the game legit gets carried by the flashy combat.>>739934060It makes perfect sense when you look at the statistics and realize Pokemon's audience are 30+ years olds, not to mention the degenerate furries and pedos.
>>739982821>Turd-Based games just don't sell anymore. Nobody buys them.>J-Action kino is the way forward for Final Fantasy.TRUKE.I can hardly wait for Final Fantasy XVII!
>>739952258I don't think it has to do with turn based as much as making games for their fans instead of whatever the fuck remake and xvi are trying to prove.
>>739931094>Make modern game for teens>10 fucking years later it finally releases and they're now adults and dont even think about you anymore>decade behind trends and now your game is the same shit as the other 500 titles the medium offered
>>739986823But I thought Squeenix said they weren't going to talk about sales milestones anymore after Rebirth? Why the change of heart?
>>739934060Pokemon has systemized turn based gameplay like Gran Blue Fantasy or Epic Seven or Trails. Final Fantasy has turn based gameplay that is more of an addon to the game than a system
>>739988209They never said that. It was some Nomurafaggot coping that FF16 got an announcement and Rebirth is the only big budget FF to not get one. They never even slowed down bragging about sales.
You people are insane. Its a single entry. That is BETTER than the last FOUR main line Final Fantasy games whether you want to pretend or otherwise. And you act like it killed and raped your fucking family. Get over yourselves.
>>739988286Making bad games is objectively worse than murder or rape. It affects vastly more people.
>>73998828612 and 15 are better games.
>>739986823You struck a nerve.
>>739988286turd based fags are mentally ill please understand. Of course they wouldn't even buy 17 even if it was turd based.
>>739987997>I can hardly wait for Final Fantasy XVII!I have very high hopes, because Creative Studio 1 pumps out excellent quality. Sadly it is a a few years away. They will finish Kingdom Hearts 4 after Remake Part 3 has released.
>>739931094I'm sure the younger audience LOVES dry drawn out dialogue as they walk from fetch quest to fetch quest like a bad MMO
>entire thread is just 2 schizos samefaggingFF fans are so insecure holy fuck
>>739988286Correct, FFXVI is 10/10>>73998843812 maybe, 15 you're actually retarded or you live openworldslop too much
>>739985917Grim.
>>739986823>look it up>it's trueFuck me, Rebirth is gonna be the death of SE.
>necrobumping his shit thread with falseflaggingFinal Fantasy fans are probably the most subhuman retards to visit this board, even below jeets and gachafags.
>>739986823Common turnBASED Ws like always
>>739993969Nigga most FF fags are boomers who moved on, this is an autistic who has a hateboner for FF
>>739993969This. Final Fantatroons are cancer and need to be treated like ponyfags.
>>739994087Yeah bro, you bump a dead FF thread with 2 hours since the last post because you hate the franchise so much. Go be a clown somewhere else.
>>739994542It's the same bad news to aim for ragebaitIt's the same schizo obsessed with FF and never got over it
>>7399941547 & 16 fans have done irreparable damage to the fanbase's reputation.8 fags have finally been dethroned.
>>739994154Kys zeldaTROON, you will never make this your special place
>>739994661Tendies can get quarantined too, Rajesh.
>>739994750Ok zeldatroon
>>739994789Okay tendietroon
>>739957437KEKAROO
>>739986430Parry and dodge in turn base is dogshit
>>739993969Nah. It is some mentally ill schizo from Bangladesh that has a hate boner for Final Fantasy and a lot of time on his hands.VII Remake Part 3 is going to be announced within a few days, so expect him to have another mental breakdown and samefag nonstop until the game is released.
>>739996614Stop necrobumping retard tranny. Nobody cares about your dead game.
>>739996679They are desperate to keep the conversation alive. Even if all of them are negative. Any publicity is good publicity to a street shitter.
>>739996679You actually seem to care a lot about it, nigger.
>another ff hate thread is gonna hit bump limitgrim
>>739996929Final Fantasy threads constantly hit the bump limit. That is just how much people care about Final Fantasy.
>>739996679Based and true. It releases in a few days and it's not even top 5 on the eShop.
>the necrobumper marketer finally revealed his face>he was the shitskin Aerith spammer/marketer all alongBUY A FUCKING AD
>>739997050>Jimbo has to lie to copeGrim.
>>739997050Go woke go broke.
>>739997287Keep on coping, schizo. You lost.
>>739997050>pander to west by making the gayest ff ever>70% of npcs are brown>can't even reach top 7 despite all their effortsOof.
>>739997050>losing to fucking strayWhat in the actual fuck lmao
>>739931319FFXVI did very well though.
>>739987715This dudes only claim to fame is shitting on Rebirth and he hit 100k subs over night.
>FFXVI did very well though.
>>739997618There is a huge market for Rebirth hate.
>>739997618He is making 30 dollars on hour long hate videos that nobody watches. It is actually kind of sad.
>>739997736I can tell. Even the hate threads easily hit bump limit like this one just did.
>>739931094yoshitpiss is a hack and killed FF
>>740000467Based last post
>>739997787Nobody cares about FF7 anymore, even less care enough to keep hating on that. Most sane individuals just move on.
