>just let players balance the game for you bro
Skill issue.
Should have moved down, there was enough room
>>739932335OP Is brown
>>739932335Buy an ad.
>>739932335this game is so fucking ugly
>>739932335Rollslop
>>739932335Eh, not skilled enough to use the hammer. The daggers might be more your speed.
Who's bright idea was it to make a gameboy color game in widescreen
>>739932335So you can burrow under pits? That doesn't make any sense.
>>739932335>hourly seethe threadman they really got the whole favela out for this one
>>739932792those tree sprites are actual dogshit, and why do they refuse to match the colors to surrounding tiles when they dont even abide by any color palette restrictions?
>>739932335I know it sounds autistic but the pixels not being aligned to a grid and smoothly moving around everywhere is really bothering me, it feels amateurish.
>>739932335enemies can just one shot you? kek
>>739933119ok
>>739933047But no pits are burrowed under in that webm?
>>739933047They're actually jumping out of the ground next to the pit at the last second, the game is pretty lenient in what's considered in or not, and you have a couple of frames to jump even when you're completely over a pit.
>>739932335Looks like a fun gameplaychad game. I'll pirate it after the hype dies down cause I still think Yacht club dying would be funny.
>>739933119Committing to this artstyle means shit like this sticks out like a sore thumb.
The z-axis in this piece of shit is just completely broken and nonsensical. Just one of many reasons it feels exceptionally amateur for something from a supposedly great developer.
>>739932335Why did they make the game so goddamn ugly. There's plenty of good pixel art out there but this is just abrasive, like rubbing my eyes with sandpaper.
>>739933119>it feels amateurishthat's because it is, when things slide around like that especially when the character jumps all the sense of depth is gone, instead of it looking like the characters are in the world it looks like they're separate cutouts that are above it, theres no illusion
>>739932335>one shot from an enemy that appears to be relatively commonand im supposed to believe all the shilling for this game is organic?
we have purposely made the ugly, as a joke
>>739933552>that's because it is *made up schizo babble*
>>739933790sorry your eyes dont work broski
>>739933552It seems like it could easily be fixable too. Surely you could just play the game at internal 1x res and then blow it up, everything seems MOSTLY fine aside from that.
>>739933821nice english fatso
>>739933119It sounds autistic because it is. Because you're retarded.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-ukfGcTJtYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzEU19PUVuESame level of smoothness. Holy fuck you niggers are actually brain damaged.
>>739933114the ground is already brown and they probably wanted to very clearly separate your burrow/walk zone and collision objects.in that sense it makes sense, but I'm not a fan of the colors as well.
>>739932792Pippistrellp hurt my eyes
>>739934394Anon I don't know what kind of gotcha you were going for but compare your videos to OP. When I say "aligned to a pixel grid" it means you can't have half-step movements, they couldn't do that at all on the NES or gameboy because it was obviously impossible at that resolution. You can riff on me for extreme nitpicking but it's true, it makes things a lot smoother than they should be because you're not moving pixel by pixel, which matters if you're going for authenticity.
>>739933119Set Pixel Scale to 1x instead of Auto to make the mixels go away.
>>739934885Are there gameplay repercussions? I assume it's less responsive then.
1 hit kill is always bullshit. I hope the game fails and Yacht Club Games die.
>>739934394You're a retard who doesn't even understand the problem, shut up.
>>739934994Nah the visuals should be completely decoupled from the gameplay, maybe it might be inconsistent with hitboxes and all but it wouldn't affect things like input lag or whatever.
>>739934783because the game isn't aligned by default, but there is a setting to make it bewhy it isnt on by default is a mystery
>>739932335i have rollslop fatigue just from watching this
>>739934783I don't think they're going for authenticity, dude. They're going for an aesthetic.I knew you would comment about subpixels but I honestly don't think it's a bad thing. I think you are the first person in the world to make that complaint.>>739935024>problemkys
>>739935097>I don't think they're going for authenticity, dude. They're going for an aesthetic.I disagree since they've gone in on it so hard to the point that it's received pushback when they could've just made a few small compromises to the palette, etc in order to make it more palatable. That they've gone for subpixels as a default just makes that all the more baffling when they've already gone almost the entire length to make it authentic, and it's not even that much of a divisive decision too, like I've never ever seen someone who thought "ugh old games are way too jarring and snappy I need things to be extremely smooth" but a cursory search of the steam discussions has people complaining about the subpixel movement
>>739935301https://steamcommunity.com/app/1875580/discussions/0/658233614222455201/?ctp=3
>>739933157Links awakening but with one-shot bs does not sound like my cup of tea.
>>739932335I get that the dev is well known but why exactly is this dime a dozen slop getting so much attention? There are literally dozens if not hundreds of indie games that are almost identical in gameplay to this.
>>739935092I don't think this is true.There's a pixel fit setting but that's just whether it stretches things out to fill the monitor or just use the largest integer scale that fits.
>>739935638the pixel scale is separated from the screen sizesee >>739935323
>>739935063So the game still runs at a higher resolution than what it displays, only now you get visuals that don't match up with what's actually happening?Pass.
>>739935301>>739935323do console versions (switch etc) have that scaling option or only the steam release?
>>739932335The hitboxes make no sense for an isometric gameIt's like if you were playing a beat me up and you were able to stand away from a large boss and still hit his head just because his sprite was taller
>>739935921Seems like they do https://www.rpgsite.net/feature/20428-mina-the-hollower-switch-2-vs-steam-deck-ps5-pro-rog-ally-pc-hdr
>>739935968its old fashioned and intentional. its also a double edge sword and the enemies use it against youyou are playing a gameboy color styled game and saying "uhhhh, why is it like this"
>>739936056...are you admitting it's bad design and defending it?
>>739935720Even most actual Game Boy games track subpixel values for object positions.
>>739932335I know some people really love it when games give you a huge amount of modifiers to adjust the difficulty exactly to your liking, but I just find it annoying. If the game's design is fucked in some way, like the game is too slow (The Dark Ages) or too easy or difficult, the easy way out is just to give players a fuckton of modifiers and let them design their own game, but I don't want to design a game. That's the designer's job, and it doesn't change the fact the game's design is flawed. I encountered this with Revita, which has so many annoying little design flaws in it that you can "fix" with the numerous accessibility options the game throws at you. No mouse lock in windowed mode by default? The visuals are so busy by default that obstacles like spikes get hidden by all the debris enemies leave behind? WELL, YOU CAN FIX IT BY TURNING ON THESE OPTIONS!! It just makes it fucking annoying to discuss a game's flaws because hurr hurr just fix it yourself. Why can't you just design a good fucking game!? Not that Mina looks bad or anything, but just have people fucking deal with the difficulty. It's how we did it all the time in the 90s and 2000s and if a game was too difficult you either got good or played something else and we all just lived with the results.Slightly relevant closing argument; I once made a game that some people complained was too hard because "lives are outdated" and "I don't like timers in games". I ended up just putting in an assist mode that gives the player infinite lives, more health and making bottomless pits hurt you rather than insta-kill you. That way I still had a say over how the game was experienced, but still made it more accessible for players who don't like the "rough" edges of old-school games. Not like the game was super punishing, but some people think it's the game's fault if they ever see a game over screen these days it feels like.
>>739936352Shibro........
>>739936414N-No...? Was it that obvious?
>>739936443no... it just means I'm terminally online
>>739934394>>739933119https://youtu.be/YzEU19PUVuE?t=4860https://youtu.be/0JkcXC0JE4A?t=7179
>>739933119It is an autistic thing to care about, but it is indeed amateurish and I absolutely cannot dishonest pixels.I didn't play it but did that shit happen in hollow knight? All the redditors sucked their dick for being autistic with pixel precision.
>>739936735Hollow Knight uses smooth 2D art, how would it suffer from mixels?
>>739936735Well the problem here is with the low res pixel art style, I haven't played it either but hollow knight is a high res drawn art game. I'm assuming what you're referring to is that the hitboxes in hollow knight are probably exactly matching the attack visuals instead of internally being literal boxes and circles like most games.
>>739936352I can't count the amount of times I tried to convey this point to people. I guess it just comes down to first principles or what value you like to place in games. I don't mind the options and modifiers, in fact I do think they have their place but it's in the endgame phase, when you're done with the main game and you want to squeeze out the most you can out of it. If you really enjoyed a game you'll want to just fuck around with it. But at least in the first playthrough I do want it to be a concise and well thought out experience. After that you can fuck around with difficulty settings and other modifiers if you like the game enough.
>>739936781>>739936816Sorry I'm a retard, I meant Shovel Knight
>>739936967Oh, yea that game has the same problem. It's just more of a problem in Mina because it's aping a style with an even lower resolution.>>739936908Yeah, back in the day we called them cheats and you had to look them up or do some specific shit to unlock them. I don't want my first experience with a game to involve having to tweak options for an hour just so I can get the "best" experience, I just want to play the fucking game someone designed.
>>739932335Why can't they just make a simple fun game which would actually be on a GBA? This is mechanicslop
>>739932335>all that effort for like 50 bones
>>739936908>>739937047>>739936352Wow if only there were some handy trick you could do where you simply don't open that menu at all or touch anything?Like I get it with Dark Ages because that game forces you into that menu at the start when setting up your difficulty. For Mina you just start up the game and ignore it unless you're some sort of retard looking for something to complain about.
>>739937695And that results in discussions like these:>the dark ages is too slow>SO JUST MAKE THE GAME FASTER, THE GAME SHOWS>yeah but how would I know it would be an issue before playing it? by default->THIS WASN'T AN ISSUE FOR ME, YOU LOST, I ACCEPT YOUR CONCESSIONDo you see my headache? And I need to stress that this is paraphrasing actual arguments I've had about the game online, it just made discussing TDA frustrating. Just design a good game, don't make me do it.
>>739934394in these classic games things can't move between pixels because it's physically impossible, each pixel is already as small as it can bemina is a low resolution picture stretched to hell, so every in game "pixel" is made out of several real pixels, so in-game pixels lose alignment with the game's presented resolutionbut of course a tranny shilling this garbage can't understand that
>>739936352these modifiers exist specifically because these talentless devs know they messed up the game and hope players can balance it messing with cheats
>>739937695>man the game's balance kinda sucks>EEERRRMMM JUST CHANGE IT CHUD?>i shouldnt have to do that, the devs are the ones that are supposed to balance the game>EEERRRMMM JUST DONT OPEN THAT MENU THEN, CHUD?
this game is gay
>>739938325>THIS GAME IS TOO HARD>turn on easy mode>I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO TURN ON EASY MODE THIS GAME IS BADLY MADEHey I can do it too.
>>739932335furrys are a cult. They will relentlessly shill any game with a furry character (for free) and praise it to the high heavens, regardless of how shit the game actually is.
>>739938372>"easy mode" is actually 5000 toggles and scales you have to fuck with individually for four hours before the game is balanced correctly.no, the devs need to balance the game. thats their job, not mine.
>>739938372There isn't an easy mode though, there's dozens and dozens of modifiers. I'm typically not a fan of difficulty settings, but at least they're a one and done choice.
>>739934394>2026>being THIS fucking stupidShiggy diggy
>>739933119they do when the game is set to 1x zoom, play at 1x if you care
>>739937695DumbassWhen devs have these options they use them deliberately to not bother balancing or designing their game themselves>just play it on default settingsIt fucking sucks donkey balls on default settings you retard. Make a good game
>>739932335>>739932547Imagine taking femprotag slop seriously as if it wasn't just a glorified softcore porn game to goon to.
>>739938454just turn on assist or veteran mode and call it a day then
>>739934783>You can riff on me for extreme nitpickingOkay, I will.
