just make it f2p 61 days before

>>739939882
>Excludes F2P
So Paladins isn't saved?

>>739939882
>Excludes F2P
>Excludes the biggest offender
But why?

>>739940071
Because they haven't scammed you out of your money. Unless you are a paypig that is.

>>739940071
This, at least now it is a nothing burger for burgers.

>>739940071
those aren't real games and don't matter

So what games would this actually apply to?

>>739940106
>>739940275
They are full of microtransactions, and those microtransactions aren't sold as subscriptions in most cases. They are also sold as purchases, and yet you have zero right to keep them? Yes, I know most of them are worthless dogshit games, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to get away with scamming people. This is bullshit.

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>>739939882
>excludes F2P and subscription based games
>must provide patch for continued access AKA "ok here's a shitty singleplayer test instance that you dont have to log in for"
so in other words SKG trannies got NOTHING (as they were warned would happen countless times) and have now killed videogames by inviting endless bureaucrats into "their" hobby (lets be real none of them actually play videogames so they dont care) because they couldnt just play better games (again they never played videogames, they just wanted the feelzgud social justice points)
great going, guys. real team players! at least i'll have copies of my favorite indie games before they start the mandates for diversity quotas and FBI backdoors.

>we're broke and can't afford any more development time to make the patch or issue refunds
>files for bankruptcy
Congratulations to everyone involved.

>>739940314
what would you keep them for?
i guess if you must then extract the textures or models. or maybe take screenshot, print it and put it on your wall so you can forever remember that green cape that you paid 20 cents 10 years ago because the default brown cape was too boring looking

>>739940475
This isn't the European initiative, retard. This is in California, that nobody even expected to happen. This is still a big win.

>>739940563
>gets nothing
>invites leeches to hobby
>europiss initiative is going to go the same way
>"i-im winning!"
you're licking the very boot you accused us of licking because you just couldnt help but buy corpo slop and spend infinite money on cosmetics.

>>739940536
This isn't just about that. It would be better to discourage developers from making F2P shit in the first place. Not reward them for it by alloweing them to bypass the law that other games have to obey.

>>739940145
Take notes because this is how it's gonna go for yurofags as well.

America always leads with yurope limping along belated behind it

>>739940720
dont forget that even with these rules, nothing's stopping the devs of paid GAAS slop from going
>ok we made the game free a month ago and now we're shutting down the servers in two months
>since its free we dont need to do anything lmao bye

>>739940563
Big win for whom? What the fuck did I win? I don't feel like I won anything. Tell me, what the fuck did I win?

>>739940314
I mean I agree they are to be sunset as well like any other product, but it is better to start with things that are a purchase upfront before you tackle the dragon that is microtransactions. Set a precedent with SKG first.

>>739940783
>Burgers think malicious compliance isn't a thing
Always funny.

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>>739941175
>Big win for whom? What the fuck did I win? I don't feel like I won anything. Tell me, what the fuck did I win?

>>739939882
So realistically when can I expect to be able to play the crew 1?
I want to play it for 30 minutes, remember how mid the game is and uninstall it. It is my right as a gamer.

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>>739941175
you won exactly what we told you you'd win: fucking NOTHING
the government is not your friend. we tried to warn you, now you get to reap the consequences.
them stopping here is the BEST CASE btw.

>>739941381
Stop replying to your own comment, Klaus

Games die because gamers stop playing them. Developers just bury them.

>>739939882
So doesn’t this finally fuck over denuvo? All games that use denuvo must remove it at some point? Get fucked Sega. Fucking assholes putting Denuvo on everything and never fucking removing it.

>>739940039
Sure isn't
>>739940514
This is to stop companies like Ubisoft who clearly aren't going bankrupt but will pull the plug on a game 6+ months after release so they only have to have one live services game that doesn't compete with any of their other products.

note: supposed to. we'll see how it's actually used. Doubtful any real game devs are ever inconvenienced by it

>>739941550
No, it doesn't, I am pretty sure.

>>739940071
Unironically, lobbyists.
They more than likley compromised as a means to pass this very popular and "easy win" bill to get popularity points but with the thanks of a few "donations" added this loophole to basically allow companies to keep doing what they're doing.

>>739940783
>>739941319
That's literally not allowed according to the posted ruleset. They either provide a patched method for continued access (aka offline mode for previously online-only game/removing anti-piracy measures so people can pirate it and control it themselves as it's soon to become vaporware), OR provide refunds. They can't just turn the game into a FTP and get away with doing so because they've already made all of their money via typical pay-to-play. That wouldn't fly in literally any court on the planet.

>>739941369
It's only for games that release AFTER the laws go into effect last I checked. As unfortunate as that may be, it makes sense since you can't realistically expect the developers of long-dead games to return to and fix them up (doubly so for the many developers that don't even exist anymore).

>>739941625
Denuvo requires online check ins to single player games. That’s exactly this

>>739941786
and thats when you get the
>here's a patch that gives you a shitty singleplayer test instance that doesnt even have training bots
>you can still play the game, we dont need to give you more.

>>739941786
So I actually paid for Overwatch and Pubg back then, I hope this means someday we can actually fuck around with private servers and mods freely

>>739941864
>and that's where you get the [Malicious compliance]
Sorry retard, but it doesnt work that way.

>>739940475
>>must provide patch for continued access AKA "ok here's a shitty singleplayer test instance that you dont have to log in for"
that's your assumption, if a game is meant to be played multiplayer then they're likely going to have to patch in peer-to-peer multiplayer or being able to host private dedicated servers

>>739941838
Maybe, but they would only have to remove it after they stop selling the game, which they would probably do regardless, since it costs them tens of thousands of dollars every month per game. No?

>>739939882
>excludes f2p and subscription based games
kek its fucking over

F2P/Subscription stuff should be covered by their own special thing anyway I guess since that's stickier

>>739941175
>>739941381
No more 40 dollar game + tax GaaS that will get taken from your library 2 years in bullshit. Now if a company wants to pull that shit they'd have to go all the way and be F2P.

Not the end all of GaaS cancer but a objective blow on SOME GaaS cancer.
>>739940783
Rules based on state of release so unless they want to refund all the people that bought it- not gonna fly.

>>739941927
>>739941941
>>739941968
>t-the government is still my friend!
>they'll... they'll do the right thing... t-they have to! i signed a petition!!!
lol. what will it take for you guys to learn that they really arent?

It should at least ensure that companies cant treat legal action if someone tries to bring back a dead f2p game or gacha, etc

>>739941968
what happens if someone does F2P early access or beta or however you want to call it, and transitions into paid?
Like Heroes of Newerth, for instance

>>739941864
>Companies are bastards anyway so instead of fighting back and making them bleed any chance I'd have they shoukd just be allowed to do whatever they want
What an odd way of thinking.
Like even if you sincerely believe that surely making shit as troublesome for them is an objective net positive, no?

>>739942020
>N-no! NO! YOU'LL SUFFER FOR THIS!!!
Lmao. Stop crying corpocuck.

>>739942102
>THE GOVERNMENT IS MY FRIEND, THESE COMPANIES WILL HURT!
>NOOOOOO STOP IMPLEMENTING EASY TO ABUSE LOOPHOLES LIKE HAVING IT NOT APPLY TO SUBSCRIPTION GAMES AAACKKK
you SKG trannies will never learn, will you?

>>739941945
Except Sega doesn’t remove it ever. Fucking Sonic Forces still has it and I am sure it sells all of like three copies per month. They keep it on everything out of spite.

>>739942070
Not sure but Steam has that big ol' banner that says "Early Access= Not Full Release Game" so that might play a part on how its categorized.

>>739942151
>I totally hate corpo's guys I just would never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever desire to make anything inconvenience for them
Kay.
So that guy is a ckear shill or NARC or something, right?

>>739942020
>NOOO, profit driven companies who would sell my kidneys for 1 dollar are my best friends!!!! I must protect them at all costs!!!

>>739939882
>The slop will flow forever
You goyim are the dumbest mother fuckers...

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I know you kids literally know nothing about civics but nothing has passed yet. The bill is out of committee and will be discussed in the state senate and then will either be sent back to committee, tabled, or eventually scheduled for a vote.

Reminder that these threads have nothing to do with gaming and exist to radicalize you

>>739941941
>Bro just "patch in" p2p
This is the level of technical understanding skg brings to the table.

>>739942398
confusion and fatigue is also a facet of propaganda, friend

>>739942479
>is also
fuck now I'm tired lmao
are also... facets*
but also it is actually plausible someone might just be happy to be "taken seriously"

>>739940475

>Excludes games that arent part of the original SKG initiative
>SEE YOU FAILED JUST LIKE I TOLD YOU!!! GOVERNMENT BAD!!! PLEASE STOP HURTING THE POOR CORPORATIONS SAAAAARRR!!!!
I dont know when you were reduced to this pathetic begging, but damn if I dont enjoy the show you're putting on for me

>>739942398
You are the propaganda. It has every everything to do with gaming.

>>739942223
>>739942247
its as easy as playing better games.
we have tried telling you this over, and over, and over.
but no, you just couldnt do that. you had to keep buying the corpo slop while begging the government to fix your poor choices for you.
now not only have you gotten LITERALLY FUCKING NOTHING, but you've opened the floodgates bureaucratic hell, and that WILL kill gaming.
worse, it'll kill everything but the corporate slop because they have the manpower to deal with the endless bureaucrat bullshit while indies dont
we tried to warn you, but you just couldnt listen.

>>739942528
"SKG was supposed to ignore the biggest offenders!" does not send the message you think it does.

>>739942520
That person would be an idiot child
This is not a serious issue

>>739942562
>Making things more inconvenient for companies is going to KILL vidya for.... reasons!!!
Shouldn't you be raping some ferrets right now Thor?

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>>739942595
>SKG was supposed to ignore the biggest offenders
So that it could stay within scope and address the issue of PURCHASED PRODUCTS being taken away. That F2Ps and MMO games arent.
Come on shill, this is absolutely pitiful. Everyone knows what this is about

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>>739942562
>All you had to do was ignore the corporate cock up your ass saaar!
Ancaps, lmao. Evergreen entertainment

>>739942732
>Everyone knows what this is about
It's about an autist with a severe mold infestation from not cleaning himself misunderstanding copyright and then getting boosted into a culture war by Steve Bannon

>>739939882
Is it only refunds excluded, or access in general? What's the point of excluding access when every game by AAA is GaaS these days?

What's up with the bootlicking MIGAtards here on /v/?

>>739940475
>before they start the mandates for diversity quotas and FBI backdoors
Before? Anon, this shit's already the case.

>>739942876
>Enters le ebic gamergate 2.0 pol thread
>Wonders why there's pol posting
You're not too bright are you?

>>739942876
>Let's deploy the left-right divide and conquer tactic! The goyim must fight eachother, and not us!

>>739941864
That's how you get sued.
>B-b-but the law says--
Fun fact: Judges don't give a shit. They can look at your patch and say that wasn't good enough compensation.

>>739942562
>we tried to warn you
>we
Not like there was ever any doubt, but it's still nice to see confirmation that this was a coordinated disinformation campaign.
I guess Babel media isnt getting paid for this project. Oh well.

>>739942838
>t. ferretfucker

>>739942876
TDS swings both ways, a lot of people still dont realise this. I cant wait till Trump is out of politics, and I dont even dislike him, I fucking hate that politics permiates everything and the kind of people that make politics their entire personality are all revolving around Trump.

Politics is fucking gay, and the Right also wants censorship and bible thumper shit now too, Im not on board with this trite just because its not leftist trannies doing it.

>>739943098
>>739942990
Stop. Not falling for it.

>>739942787
the corporate cock is only there if you buy corporate games.
i do not buy corporate games, you shouldnt buy corporate games either.
but now that you've gotten the government involved, government dick is going to be in EVERYONEs ass. and at the end of the day you're not even getting what you wanted.
good job, i guess.
>>739942732
why not name it "stop taking away the things i bought" then?
SKG implies you want to, y'know, preserve games. if its just about purchased products being taken away then you're not really interested in saving videogames. you just want the government to save you from your own poor choices.

>>739943098
>Implying his shit will be gone when he dies
Trump has successfully turned the US government into a grift machine and it's not turning back just because some 80 year old dies. The states are literally in a gerrymandering war, the entire concept of representative democracy has been abandoned by both sides.

Imagine the whiplash these boomers receive as they are busy passing the 100 billion to Israel bill and the next one up is about bing bing wahoos

>>739943150
>if its just about purchased products (ie videogames) being taken away then you're not really interested in saving videogames
Lmfao you're really beaten down and out of narratives at this point, arent you?

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>>739943150
The proper way to save games is to lobby for antitrust action to forcibly break up the mega publishers and re-divide development and publishing, but the SKG crowd is way too fucking stupid to grasp a complex action like that. They just want free shit.

>>739940475
of course it's a tf2troon schizo who would be so eager to shove a corpo boot up his ass, valve cocksuckers are mentally ill

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>>739939882
The anti-SKG argument is so retarded that the only real logic I can understand to keep my sanity is that it's a bunch of astrosurfing payed by Ubisoft and other corporations.

Like the singular argument seemingly repeated over and over this thread is:
>Oh well the Bill doesn't cover EVERYTHING.
>So we should have NOTHING!
>I'm TOTALLY against corpo's guys but if they can still jump through hoops then I think we should just let them do WHATEVER THEY WAAAANT!
It is geniunly pathetic.

>>739943150
>i do not buy corporate games, you shouldnt buy corporate games either
>Just ignore the corporate cock saaar!
Lol. Answer the question, cuck.
Why should corporates be allowed to take sold and purchased games away while hiding behind "legal grey area! muh EULA!"?

>>739943283
>commie crying about muh capitalism again
I bet you haven't even finished college you dumb mutt

>>739943406
Antitrust enforcement has absolutely nothing to do with socialism or communism
It's literally protecting the free market

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>>739943254
>SAVE VIDEOGAMES! WE NEED TO SAVE VIDEOGAMES!!!
>[law passed: only saving P2P games. F2P and subscription games are not saved]
>looks like videogames werent saved
>oh no see, i only wanted to save the videogames i had personal investment in
>... so you dont want to save videogames, only products
>REEEEEEEEE STUPID FUCKING CORPORATE SHILL!!! I SAVED VIDEOGAMES!!!!

>>739939882
This was days ago at this point, you won, congratulations, can you just learn to be gracious in victory instead of continuously rubbing it in the noses of us sane people.

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>>739941175
Mr.Schlomo can't just pull a plug on a game only because it is unprofitable
Discourages always online for singleplayer games outright
Hell it encourages coop games to have peer-to-peer connection instead of central server

>>739943521
Mhhm >>739943314

>>739943521
See >>739942990

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>>739943521
>You dont want to save videogames! You just want to keep playing the games you purchased and own without corpoations killing them!!!!
.......you shills truly are the dumbest motherfuckers on this board

>>739942398
>and exist to radicalize you
Sorry anon but I will never support AAA gaming policies and support any and all pushback against their shitty business plans

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>>739939882
What a nice day to own video games.

>>739943283
>is to lobby for antitrust action
With what money?

>>739943617
if you wanted to save videogames you'd want to save ALL videogames.
why do you not want to save all videogames? are YOU a corporate shill for a subscription service game?
i think you are.

>>739943521
>[law passed: only saving P2P games. F2P and subscription games are not saved]
>looks like videogames werent saved
>... so you dont want to save videogames, only products
>>739943150
>i do not buy corporate games, you shouldnt buy corporate games either

>corporate games dont count and dont deserve to be saved until they need to for narrative convenience
You really cant make this shit up.

>>739943703
Lobbying and PAC donating are often conflated but they are two different things
I really wish you kids would take a civics class before diving headfirst into fights you obviously don't understand.

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>>739943521
SKG was never gonna solve all gaming problems, that is unrealistic, what SKG DOES want to do is to set up a precedent that AAA publishers can't do whatever they want and tackle at least one big issue
Gaming as a market is unregulated, and while some retards think that's good, its not because in an unregulated market, the biggest scum who manages to monetise every penny wins, so its long past the time it had some rules

insane behavior dude

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>>739943130
Its not team sports anon, I dont like any of these people
>cultists that shine the boots of the government that doesnt give a fuck about them but for their taxes, but gives exception to the whims of niggers and trannies, with suicidal empathy from behind armed security and walls. The drive culture into the ground and call it progress, but progress towards what if the result is everyone is less happy and things get worse across the board, but at least a tranny didnt kill themselves
vs
>cultists that shine the boots of the government that doesnt give a fuck about them but for their taxes, but gives exception to the whims of religious psychopaths and oligarchs who think people need to live in cardboard boxes so they can drill for oil for the sake of wealth rather than posterity of anyone but themselves. They own everything and its still not enough, YOU have to own less
Im sorry anon, If these are the sides I want nothing to do with it. America is in its "were going to build golden statues and put the leaders name on everything to take credit for things the leader had nothing to do with while were in debt and control of the empire is crumbling" phase. Reminder there is a Trump bible and phone, as in, there are people so ignorant of the state of things that they would buy a phone made in China that is run by the American government, just to support the dear leader, and actual blasphemy of making branded bibles with his own name...There is no helping these kinds of people. Trump in his first term was at least entertaining, the people supporting him now are without principles.

I dont like any of these people, also the sooner boomers die the sooner some actual progress can be made towards shaping the world for people who actually grew up in a world with the internet.

>>739943825
>Gaming as a market is unregulated
No, it's actually pretty clearly regulated, you kids just refuse to accept how copyright law functions

>>739943728
>if you wanted to save videogames you'd want to save ALL videogames
I do. Including corporate games. Including crappy games like the Crew.
SKG is an initiative towards that direction, starting with games purchased and owned as products.
Are you the same retard as >>739940475? Because that would make you a massive hypocrite

>>739943825
>what SKG DOES want to do is to set up a precedent that...
... the government can set whatever regulations and laws they want on videogames, this permanently killing the hobby.

>>739943901
>i want to save all games...
>except for icky yucky F2P games and stinky nasty subscription service games.
think about what you're saying.
>EVERYONE. THAT. DISAGREES. WITH. ME. IS. ONE. PERSON!!!
whew lad, be careful.

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You know you are winning when shills are in full damage control

>>739943314
I think it's mostly just shitposting anyway, but there's probably some consoomers, legit deranged ancaps or learned helplessness doomersmad everything didn't get fixed at once so it's all hopless.
I for one welcome any pushback against corpos and the fact that consumer and ownership rights seem to be getting a bit of traction.

>>739943982
>EVERYONE. THAT. DISAGREES. WITH. ME. IS. ONE. PERSON!!!
No, everyone that disagrees is Indian payed by Ubisoft.

>>739944014
>You know you're right when people call you a dumbass
This mindset has caused more damage to the nation's IQ in the last ten years than all the leaded gas that was ever made

>>739943982
>>except for icky yucky F2P games and stinky nasty subscription service games.
Where did I say that, shill?
>NOOO SAAAR THAT'S NOT ME SAAAARRRR!!!!!
Kek hypocrite shill confirmed.

>>739943921
>the government can set whatever regulations and laws they want on videogames
Such as?

>>739944059
>where did i say that?
here >>739942732
>NO YOU JUST HAVE TO BE THAT OTHER PERSON I HATE BECAUSE... BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU ARENT HIM!!!

>>739943550
Uh-oh kike mad

>>739944057
No, I know Im winning because shills still cant answer this simple question>>739943331

>>739944021
I mean, there has been a whole slew of of reports and doors blown open that revealed there is an entire industry of developing countries (Mostly India) being paid to astroturf fake consensus.

While you're probably right I would not be surprised if a quarter posts here are unironically just a bunch of Indians doing anything for a paycheck.
Maybe Thai's.

>>739940071
F2Paypigs deserve to suffer

>>739944145
>So that it could stay within scope
Now I know you're illiterate too
>NOOO SAAR BELIEVE ME SAAAR THAT'S NOT ME SAAAARRRR!!!!

Unironically HOW do you ever give a refund for F2P game?
That's the main issue, for that and subscription model

>>739944057
honestly there's no point in debating with these "people"
as seen in this thread, they can take a devastating loss (the biggest 'killed games' offenders being excluded in the "save videogames law") and somehow spin it into a win
they are delusional and the only reasoning possible is a bullet to the back of the head before they ask the government to stick their greedy hands into more shit.

>>739944318
>Unironically HOW do you ever give a refund for F2P game?
Microtransactions bought
>Can that be recorded?
Yeah, I forgot how but Steam itself has the ability to even tell tyou how much you spent on microtransactions in a game.

Subscriptions is the only real geniunly iffy weird case scenerio.

>people on /v/ still playing triple gAAAy
Have fun with all that faggotry, normgroids

>>739944405
Microtransactions are iffy too I would say, publisher could reasonably argue that it doesn't count as paying for the game and as such can't be refunded, especially with an old judge who doesn't play vidya

>corpocucks are now unironically crying for f2p and subscription games to be saved as well
Lmao where were you when Ross won so hard even his loudest haters started siding with him?

>>739944525
Is it?
>I bought an add on for the game expecting it can be used
>Thus I own it
Like, is it that much diffrent from say an expansion pack?

>>739944532
everyone calling me a retard is a corporate shill: the baby's guide to SKG discourse.

>>739944692
You are calling him a retard, but you are not calling him a liar.

>>739939882
If it's not retroactive then what this essentially kills are "timed" games like ubislop, much like SKG. You obviously can't run a business by refunding all your customers.

Of course, none of it is really a problem because providing a final patch for a game you no longer support costs peanuts. To this day, ancient games from 2000s have a master server running keeping up serverlists for the players because it doesn't cost much. Providing a final patch is similarly negligibly inexpensive.

>>739939882
leave it to americans to half ass shit in order to pretend they're actually doing something meaningful

>>739944810
thats implied with me calling him a retard, retard.

>>739944610
>Come on its like five bucks
>What if he got bored like a year before the game shuttered? Do we really have to give him a refund?
>He already could play the game, microtransactions are add-ons that aren't necessary for the game and thus we need not refund it
etc. etc.
They will try to weasel out of it as much as they can, and we need to consider normies and probably old judges who have no fucking clue what everyone is talking about
Personally I think they should target whatever the fuck Destiny 2 was doing with removing expansions

>>739944810
>>739944886
additionally, liar doesnt even make sense in that context. its not a lie if you truly belive it, it just makes you wrong.

>>739943825
>SKG now going full mask off with the statism

>>739944156
>>739943331
>1 hour later
>still no answer
Kek! What's wrong, shills? Cant denounce your masters without getting fired?

>>739945765
that has been answered countless times before:
>STOP TELLING THE BUREAUCRATS TO FUCK WITH YOUR HOBBY
>IT WILL NEVER END THE WAY (YOU) WANT IT TO.
but as usual you simply refuse to listen.

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>The bill is being introduced before the Division servers go offline

We just can't stop winning, offlinebros

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>>739945853
>Why should corporates be allowed to take sold and purchased games away while hiding behind "legal grey area! muh EULA!"?
>Because!
>......because?
>Uhhh....STOP TELLING THE BUREAUCRATS TO FUCK WITH YOUR HOBBY IT WONT END WELL FOR YOU TO GO AGAINST MEGACORP WAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!!
And there you have it. The smoking gun.
Not only are there shills itt, they cant badmouth their employers either.

>>739945964
in front of you are two buttons:
>button A fixes an objectively bad but completely ignorable problem for 10 minutes, but nukes everything and kills everyone after
>button B does nothing
which one do you press?

>>739940514
Stops Japanese niggers from pulling a Gundam Evolution

>>739946031
>but nukes everything and kills everyone after
How pray tell? The industry can only get better from where it is right now.

>>739940025
hmmmmm, good point. Are they allowed to do this?

>>739946031
Except button A doesn't nuke anything.

>>739946031
Button A
>NOOOO SAAAR DONT PRESS THAT SAAAR YOU MIGHT NUKE EVERYTHIGN SAAAR JUST IGNORE THE OBJECTIVELY BAD THING SAAAARRRR!!!!!
You dont offer alternatives nor do you want the problem to be fixed. All you do is scream the solution is bad.
Now what group might be vested in protecting this obviously tilted status quo?
This is how everyone knows you do this for a paycheck.

>>739945853
>Yes goy, stop trying to engage in representative democracy, it will never end well :)
>Just go home and consume product, I promise you voting with your wallet works :)

>>739944021
>I think it's mostly just shitposting anyway
>ironic shitposting
>post-GG+2016 elections-era

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>>739940071
The entire point of SKG is that you own the game and it shouldn't be taken from you after you already bought it. You can't really say you own or bought a F2P or subscription based game, they are quite literally services.

>>739945945
Sadly, how bills often work is the law is only applied the time of it's signing and doesn't effect retroactive laws. Any vidya released beforehand do not need to abide by it.
Sorry man, Ubishart can fuck you over still.

>>739942454
no one said it was easy shill faggot. But if a Deb has to legally make a p2p server during development then it changes everything

Kill yourself

Why are people opposing stop killing game movement? Isn't it better for consumers overall?

>>739946316
Big companies pay indian engagement farms shitloads of money to try to control the narrative
That's how you now it's good for the consumer

>>739946316
"Something something gubment bad" is always what the arguments of the people opposing skg come down to.

>>739946316
>people
Agencies like >>739944014 are hired to cry GOVERNMENT BAD!!! because with the EU and CA governments involved, SKG is rapidly growing out of control

>>739946316
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing
>https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-08404-9
Like, many are just idiots that can't comprehend the idsea of not having billionaire overlords but a good chunk is geniunly just Indians scamming said morons.

>>739946127
>the industry can only get better... by getting the government involved!
you have no idea what kind of parasite you're attaching to "your" hobby.
please look into other times the government has started regulating crap so you can at least prepare for the shitstorm you've invited.
>>739946223
the alternative is not buying the corporate slop.
i know, this sounds like impossible task for cattle such as yourself. you feel an impulsive need to buy everything whenever exposed to manipulative market tactics.
but it is possible, and you'll save so much money doing so!

>>739946514
>the alternative is not buying the corporate slop
see >>739943331
I love bullying jeetshills. You are literally too stupid to go off script after it's been rendered useless

>>739946316
generations of amerifats have been so cucked by propaganda they truly believe individual action is a solution to societal problems.
see
>>739946514
this stupid bootlicker gives corpo slime no agency, the consumer just needs to stop buying bad things, no matter how bad the dice are stacked in the megacorps favor. a brainless slave snookered by the billionares he supposedly hates.

>>739946256
No. Most microtransactions are sold as purchases, not as a service. For example, if you buy a skin, and you can't play the game that would render the purchase void.

>>739946625
Listen man, he gets payed like 3 bucks an hour and has 17 kids to feed you don't have to bully him.

>>739939882
Corpobros.....
Not like this......

>>739940071
So they can pass a law that accomplishes nothing (in true california fashion)

>>739946706
The bullying will continue until morale improves

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>>739939882
>>739943825

>>739941381
this is literally what was written on the initiative's site though. the people in the movement doing the lobbying literally got what they wanted in totality.

SKG literally always excluded F2P games. everyone who wanted to extend this to F2P's functions knew there was going to be a second battle, even if they ignored that making end of life plans the industry standard for paid games would trickle down to free eventually.

as a reminder, this movement started after ubisoft sunset a game that you paid $60 for.

>>739946792
>muh commies
Post nose

>>739946792
Yes, yes... owning things is communism...

>>739940475
why are you under the impression that governments need an invitation to regulate something?

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>>739946670
Like several people mentioned, it could also just be another third worlder astrosurfer
>inb4 that's unlikely
Remember when 4chan was hacked and IP leaks showed that something like 40% of /pol/ users came from Isreal?
Or when the CIA just... admitted they come here? Like, all the time. And Ubisoft?

This place became one of the biggest honeypots for governments and corporations of the internet- you geniunly cannot trust like a quarter of the people here.

>>739946625
>i dont like you. THAT MEANS YOU'RE A JEET SHILL!!!
no, im a gamer that doesnt want the government adding 50000 bureaucratic layers of nonsense to my hobby.
i dont care what corporate niggers are doing because their games are mass appeal slop that only normalfags buy.
what i do care about is retards like yourself trying to get the government involved because they literally always make things worse.
i mean fuck this guy himself >>739943825 ADMITS that SKG is only to get the foot in the door for worse government regulations and restrictions.
fuck you, fuck off, please leave my hobby alone.

>>739946514
Oh, you mean
>40 hour work week and regulating employment in general
>public fire brigades
>ending asbestos and leather paint
>kneecapping tobacco companies
>outlawing hard drugs
>traffic rules
>zoning laws
>outlawing harmful shit in food
>mandating drug testing
>building codes
>electrical safety for appliances
>right to return a purchased product
But who am I kidding, you're Indian, of course YOUR government has never done shit for you.

>>739940475
>TF2tranny
>retarded post
Like pottery

>>739940025
>gets sued to hell and beyond for malicious compliance

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>>739946841
the shills think we can't see their obvious newspeak

>>739946901
>yeah bro the like, 5 good government policies justify the literal tens of thousands of bad ones.

>>739946898
>they're recruiting gamers to the cause now
Grim

>>739946948
In [BRAND] we trust

>>739946898
NTA anon but everything from the all lowercase to just general tone really does scream Indian, man.
You gotta work on your deception game Amir.

>>739946950
>literal tens of thousands
>can't name one

>>739946898
>i dont care what corporate niggers are doing
And I do care, because if they are prevented from doing it then they'll be forced to dedicate resources into making better games. Just like I don't want 20% of my country's GDP to go into hard drugs, and so hard drugs are illegal.

>>739946950
Name at least as many bad policies as I named good ones.

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>>739946898
>i dont care what corporate niggers are doing
You should

>>739940071
>But why?
To get a foot in the door.
Right now consumer rights when it come to vidya is an absolute Wild West.
SKG's doesn't aim to solve everything, SKG aim to have the legislators confirm that the shit that wouldn't fly when selling a microwave shouldn't fly when selling Tetris.

That's why it exclude *everything* that the industry might have a 0.01% valid argument against. It's not about saving games in one fell swoop.
It's about finally getting an anchor point from which the entire arsenal of consumer protection will potentially become directly usable against the industry's many bullshit practices.

That's why the industry is hysterical against it.
They know what the mold man is actually trying to do.
They know it's going to cost them WAY, WAY more than just letting people play games that don't bring profits anymore.

>>739940563
Kind of hilarious that california is bending the knee just as badly as europe. I wonder if a state can be kicked out of the union.

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>>739940475
>because they couldnt just play better games
This part is actually true. I support SKG, but it's undeniable that you wouldn't run into the problem of your game being taken from you if you just had better taste. Not a single one of these paid service games is good. A lot of problems with the game industry is the result of consumers supporting bad practices (early access, day 1 DLC, serviceslop, etc.). But anytime you point this out you just get called a corpo while the people buying the corposlop get a pass somehow.

>>739946898
>i dont care what corporate niggers are doing because their games are mass appeal slop that only normalfags buy.
>That's why I want you to ignore them and do nothing about them despite admitting what they're doing is objectively bad
Jeetshill confirmed. I love how every time you get mad and deny it you also say stupid shit that further proves what you really are

>>739940071
How are you going to sue and reprimand a Chinese company? Good fucking luck. Any law that isn't enforceable doesn't really exist

>>739947248
This is true.
However the reason we need this in the first place is because no matter how much you scream "stop buying bad games" normies are going to normie at the end of the day and the absolute milisecond one corpo see's another corpo get away with bullshit- they ALL sttart pulling bullshit.

>>739947018
>>739947104
the fact that you yourselves dont know any is proof enough that you dont know enough to be saying
>yes, getting the government involved is a good idea! government regulation always goes right because uhhhh zoning laws
>>739947053
>because if they are prevented from doing it then they'll be forced to dedicate resources into making better games
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT?
YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THEY'LL JUST MAKE GOOD GAMES INSTEAD OF MOVING ONTO THE NEXT SCUMMY PRACTICE?
boy i wish i was even half as naive as you. then i might support SKG!

>>739947248
I can control my own actions but I can't control other people's, and other people will still play them. Only regulations can stop this scam.If nothing is done thgs are only going to get worse. The past 2 decades are the proof.

>>739947364
Bad case of learned helpness right there.

>>739946031
>objectively bad but completely ignorable problem
>>739946898
>i dont care what corporate niggers are doing
>JUST IGNORE IT SAAAR!!!!
I hope you realize this >you can just ignore this objectively bad thing! mentality is why your "developed" nation STILL has a public defacation and open sewers problem.

>>739947505
helplessness*

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>>739942562
How's your "free market", vote with your wallet cancer-in-a-bottle working out for you?
Government bad, am I right?

>>739947364
the "next scummy practice" in this case is moving on to making everything f2p to avoid that law

this is within calculations. the law that's been crafted is an inducement. if you don't want to be affected by it in any way, there's literally only one action to take.

they'll die by inducing netflix fatigue into their consumer base (already dwindling because of console/PC price hikes) and, in the presence of a freed up market space, devs that aren't quite as retarded will benefit.

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>>739947248
>>739947351
>>739947430
i dont care if normalfags get scammed out of their cash.
i used to care, really. but after watching them for so long its impossible to me to not just turn the other way when these retards keep fucking falling for the same scams.
they fall for everything from GAAS slop to
>helo sirs i am de stem comunity sooport. plz gib me all ur items or u wil los ur accont
and will do so over and over until they have nothing left to get scammed with.
its impossible to help them because they refuse to learn.
no amount of regulations or laws are going to keep the scammer and the scammed apart unless you start infringing on personal freedoms on the consumer's part (and even that wont work in the end)
its like a tragic love story that you desperately want to stop, but cant.

>>739940783

Corpo bootlicking retards continue to be retarded, what a shock.

>>739947908
>i dont care if normalfags get scammed out of their cash.
So you're fine with living in a shithole filled with shitty corpo trash? Why?

>>739947990
read the rest of the post.
and to answer that question specifically, in the digital world you quite literally do not even have to look at it. its not like real life where there's competition for physical space.

>>739947908
Slurp on Ubi-dick then, fag

>>739947908
>no amount of regulations or laws are going to keep the scammer and the scammed apart unless you start infringing on personal freedoms on the consumer's part (and even that wont work in the end)
You're right. Lets stop treating scams as punishable offences. It doesnt do any good.
And you wonder why posters call you indian

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>>739947908
>i dont care if normalfags get scammed out of their cash.

>>739947746
>they'll die by inducing netflix fatigue into their consumer base

this is already happening with gacha games as new high budget ones keep releasing that siphon money away from the monopoly that hoyoverse held in the gacha space for years. But even these new gachas releasing like nte, endfield, ananta, silver palace, etc are going to struggle to make enough money to cover their upkeep costs and eventually go under if they don't carve out their own niche before then. So if even MORE companies try to jump into the f2p market just to escape new regulations then they are setting themselves up for failure and the market will decide their fate.

>>739948052
>read the rest of the post.
I did. Your argument has clearly been about the whole of government regulation.
>...the digital world
You are fucking retarded, too stupid to understand the knock on effects of unregulated markets. Read some history or kill yourself.

>>739948060
>>739948103
>>739948105
>>739948143
unless your solution is to nuke india you dont actually want to stop the scammers, you only want to get rid of the consequence for getting scammed.

>>739948165
My solution is to nuke india.

>200 posts of crying F2P cumsoomers
Only single player games deserve to be saved desu, MMO slop is designed to waste your time and everything bad that has ever happened in vidya originated in some shitty online game, the loot boxes the grinding the skins all that shit comes from some world of goycraft, only most retarded of goycattle would cry over a fucking overwatch type shit not being protected by this law, those are no more games than youtube ragebait videos are movies.

>>739947908
I don't care if you don't care. You lost, shill faggot.

>>739947908

>>739948165
>you dont actually want to stop the scammers
What in the fuck is this jeet talking about?
I want to stop the scammers precisely because I cant nuke india without starting armageddon as they're a nuclear country too as the punchile to some cosmic joke

>>739948165
Once again your retarded
>corpos have no agency
bullshit comes up again. Post your script so we don't have to run through this again.

>>739948258
>indians
>being able to launch nukes properly
cmon anon...

>>739948165
Nuking india would cause a literal fecal fallout that circles the earth twice before finally dissipating.
That place needs something else.

>>739948307
>j-j-just kill the scammers?
>but if we do that, we wont need government regulation!

>>739948367
And if you neck yourself, I won't have to read your posts!

>>739948319
They dont need to do it properly to fuck everything up. They're nukes.

>>739948406
that wont stop the scammers.
>>739948409
yeah, it'll make india even worse! (a win for the rest of the globe)

>>739947364
>The gubmunt has a million bad policies!
>Okay, then name five
>Noooo why do I have to prove anything to you? You should know them!
Please keep posting low effort shill, you're only making people like SKG more

>>739948165
Nuking India will just have corpo's move their set-up in Thailand or some other poor South Asian country they can make dirt farmers do anything for 2 bucks an hour.

Why blame everyone else but the actual thing causing the problems?

>>739939882
>60 days notice before going offline, must provide patch for continued access or refunds (Excludes F2P and Subscription based Games).
Very reasonable. Rare for california.

>>739948485
what do you think happens to the corporations set up in india if we turn the entire nation into a crater?
and that gives me another idea, we nuke california too! most of these scam companies are set up there.

>>739947364
>THEY'LL JUST MAKE GOOD GAMES INSTEAD OF MOVING ONTO THE NEXT SCUMMY PRACTICE?
Correct, you reductive faggot. Just like corporations tend not to firebomb their competition because they'll be thrown into jail. Scum are kept in line and do less scummy shit precisely because we make laws that fuck them over if they try more scummy shit.

>>739940475
>and have now killed videogames by inviting endless bureaucrats into "their" hobby
This. We need to completely remove copyright laws, since they're nothing but "bureaucrats" ruining the industry. ;)

>Literal satanic pedophiles run your goverment
Gamers: Sadly nothing we can do
>Goverment does anything to video games
Gamers: WE WILL FORM AN ANGRY MOB AND YELL AT CONGRESS WITH PITCHFORKS! IM HECKIN MAD

Lol you deserve to be replaced and lose your country's faggots

>>739948648
>Yes goy, don't try to make things incrementally better goy!
>Don't you know? The only way to enact change is to be controlled opposi- I mean to take a hardline stance and oppose everything at once!

>>739941864
>>739940475
That is so much better than what we have right now IE you get nothing. The Crew is literally playable in single player (because nobody bought the fucking game lmao) but instead of just adding a single player patch Ubisoft killed the whole thing as a final "Fuck you" to the people stupid enough to have bought it.

>>739948648
>Literal satanic pedophiles run your goverment
>Gamers: Sadly nothing we can do
There really isn't. The satanic pedophiles do not care about video games, they care the world for making sure they have fresh meat to rape, kill, and eat. What a stupid fucking comparison from a brown ESL lmao

>>739948648
>But what about all the starving people in Africa?! Why aren't SKG helping them?!

>>739948648
Then what do you propose? Every time someone recommended action, you called them a CIA glowie.

>>739948946
you know that if Rossman was railing about the epstein files that they would shift to that too lmao

>>739940475
Since this is a dumb fucking post, might as well chime in and talk about Team Fortress 2. This entire discussion is about if companies axe the whole fucking game when they put it into maintenance mode, you know, like TF2 has been for the past 20 years.

>>739949041
Doesn't TF2 have dedicated servers?

>>739946687
You don't need to buy the skin to play the game. Maybe a future bill can convert f2p better. >>739946687

>>739946893
Hi Karma, I hope your transition is going well.

>>739939882
#NINTENDO
#CIA
#FBI
oh no no no anti-SKG sisters we keep getting owned, how can this be happening?!

>>739942454
Meanwhile this guy can't comprehend games being built from the ground up with this eventuality in mind.

>>739949186
I thought it was one button to create a local server? Haven't played tf2 in a decade.

>>739949041
tf2 was made to be a good game, and as such the devs included dedicated servers.
the games people are bitching and moaning about were not made to be good games, and do not have any kind of end of life plan.
forcing devs to include an end of life plan will NOT suddenly make GAAS scam good. and i can only assume that many SKG supporters think it will.

>>739949289
I geniunly have zero clue what the fuck this is refrencing.

>>739949406
>forcing devs to include an end of life plan will NOT suddenly make GAAS scam good
But it will still force devs to include an end of life plan for the game. Now why would you be against that?

>>739946316
you have to understand the amerimutt mindset, they are dogs, golems, human husks controlled by banks, corporations and media

>>739946316
Be glad they're not spamming CP like they did in previous SKG threads

>>739949406
>forcing devs to include an end of life plan will NOT suddenly make GAAS scam good.
It will punish them for being lazy, though. I love making bad devs suffer.

>>739947279
They could threaten to ban those chinese gacha games, which would mean they would have to comply if they want to continue operating there. Which they definitely would want to do, as making an end of life plan is a minimal operating expense for them in order to access the western market.

>>739949596
don't know how these guys do it so consistently, posting cp on 4chan should be like talking about planning some terrorist attack or shooting, I'd expect these guys to eventually be found and not be running around posting this vile shit for months or years on a literal honeypot site what the fuck is the police doing

>>739949461
Because people that buy those deserve to be scammed

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>>739940071
Rome wasn't built in a day.

>>739939882
This shit is so fabricated, since it doesn't fix shit at all.
It is obvious a corpo law trying in a subtle way hoping that the EU decides to copy them.
I don't know if my post makes sense or not. I just woke up, lol

>>739949951
>Because people deserve to be scammed
Thirdworlders really do think like this and then wonder why their nations are third world shitholes

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>>739949041
Perhaps, but the stark difference in my opinion is that even if all TF2 servers go down right now, even the inventory servers, I can still play TF2 with my mates on LAN or community servers, I just won't be able to access my inventory and all would have to play with default loadouts.

>>739949860
>I'd expect
Oh you sweet summer child. Watching and possessing cp was made legal in India a while ago. Guess where these "people" live?
That aside, they spammed candydoll and insta lolis. Not actual cp.

>>739949951
Gacha always deserves the rope.
>>739950072
I think I get you regulatory capture sucks.

>>739948165
The only reason NOT to nuke India is that radioactive fallout doesn't respect country borders.

>>739946898
I'm sorry Ubisoft won't be able to scam you with always online crap anymore

>>739949461
>Now why would you be against that?
ignore this retard >>739949951
it tricks people into thinking the scam has been "fixed"
GAAS itself is the scam because GAAS games are a collection of extremely predatory marketing practices that trick normalfags into spending significant amounts of money for pixels, amounts of money many times greater than what they'd usually spend.
the game getting shut down and you losing everything is merely the consequence of buying into that scam.
all you're doing by removing the consequence of buying into it is making retarded normalfags more comfortable in getting scammed.
you need to target GAAS itself otherwise people will keep getting scammed and keep spending significant amounts of money on predatory games.

suppose you have a scam ad right?
and then rather than trying to get the ad taken down, you actually try to keep the ad up because
>but boomers might realize they've been scammed and get sad
thats SKG.
>inb4 "but its to preserve games!"
as proven earlier in this thread its clearly not since they dont care about F2P and subscription service games. its just so that scammed retards dont have to face the consequences of getting scammed

>>739950154
>I can still play TF2 with my mates on LAN or community servers, I just won't be able to access my inventory and all would have to play with default loadouts.
Technically alot of community servers let you alter your loadouts with server-side weapons.

>>739940071
>>739941757
Actually it's because SKG set realistic boundaries that excluded free games from the beginning, which you would know if you paid attention. If the argument is "I paid for this so I should get to keep it" or "they shouldn't be allowed to sell games and then destroy them", then the argument doesn't apply to free games which are not paid for and not sold. It's because some games are sold as products that the publishers can be forced to do anything at all. There's no legal argument for "if you make something for free and nobody buys it then you can't destroy it".

>>739949832
california =/= western market

>>739946256
That's the argument that SKG runs on for practical purposes, but Ross Scott personally is autistic about game preservation for the sake of it, F2P or not. Scamming consumers is just a convenient side-effect

>>739950473
>the game getting shut down and you losing everything is merely the consequence of buying into that scam.
And that makes it okay for corpos to just pull the plug, disable purchased products......why?
SKG is about making sure the customer gets to keep the product they purchased, scam or not.
Again, why do you have a problem with that?

>>739950786
why do you want to keep getting scammed?

>>739950473
>and then rather than trying to get the ad taken down, you actually try to keep the ad up because
>>but boomers might realize they've been scammed and get sad
>thats SKG.
You do realize government agencies are what take scams down, right? Like, you report scams to the police so they can take action and prosecute the scammers.
That's exactly what SKG is doing.
What the fuck is wrong with corposhills. Is this the newest script you've been assigned? It sucks.

>>739950971
Why are you okay with corporations taking things away?

>>739950473
>if you don't kill the very concept of GAAS then you haven't done any good for gaming
Shut the fuck up. SKG is about halting the ways that games become unplayable at the behest of the company that owns them, not about the basic monetization scheme of the games.
I do not care about "muh predatory purchases". Companies will always find a way to ensure more normalfags spend money on their game than actual fans, if you didn't come to peace with this in the 10s then you went insane in the 10s, there is no third option.

>>739939882
That just means every single game that is focused on MO will be f2p or subscription base

>>739947908
thats ok anon, but i dont mind if the publishers/developers of games that cost 70+ bucks and I coincidentally enjoy dont get nuked out of existence because jewberg and shillstein decide to sunset it after 2 years due to the product not reaching some profit threshold

>>739951096
>hurrr u want 2 get rid of scam dat meanz ur a corpo scam shill
i am of the opinion that the vast majority of people dont know what they want.
you think you want scam games to stay around forever, but you dont.
your mind is weak, and you fall for scams as often as you breathe.
you need... stronger willed people. to make the right choice for you in terms of getting rid of the scam games.
of course the other option here is
>the jews are right, fuck you you're nothing more than cattle, wallow in the shit that you're literally begging for (perpetual scam games)

>>739951374
You think the only way a game could ever possibly be in a state where the publisher could take it away to make more money on a sequel or something is because it was a scam in the first place.
You are wrong and retarded.

>>739951374
I'll ask again.
Why are you okay with corporations taking things away?

>>739951540
Because the thing they're taking away is a SCAM and everyone knows you can't actually do anything about a scam, you just personally ignore it and hope it goes away eventually!

>>739951374
>i am of the opinion that the vast majority of people dont know what they want
Well Im pretty sure the vast majority of the people want to keep the things they purchased without some corpo going "nuh uh" and disabling it.
But what do I know? Im just basing this off the petition you swore up and down would be rejected and fail last year

>>739951605
>you can't actually do anything about a scam
Well, the government disagrees with you there.

>>739951605
Your continual question dodging amuses me. Please proceed.

>>739951736
>>739951782
Anons. I'm not him. I am shitposting with a parody of his position. I know he's stupid, but damn.

>>739951485
>>739951540
>>739951631
suppose someone has crack
do you
>A: let him keep the crack because he "wanted it" and "bought it with his own money"
>B: take the crack away because that shit will ruin him over time and doesnt know what he wants
A is you begging to keep the scam games around because you want to give all your money to corpos until your broke and homeless.
B is stronger willed people taking the scam games away because you dont know what you want.

>>739952030
Come on, you could at least try to come up with something that doesn't sound ridiculous right off the bat.

>>739952150
its only ridiculous to you because you're the hypothetical crack addict
>cmon man just let me keep playing the GAAS game and giving the corpo money
>cmon man i just need summa dat GAAS y'know? just a few more dollars to throw at the corpo cmon!
>PLEASE MAN DONT TAKE MA GAAS AWAY!

>>739952030
>B is stronger willed people taking the scam games away because you dont know what you want
B also happens to be the same corpos selling those same scam games to begin with. Now why would you leave that part out?
>>739952150
His script got thoroughly derailed so he has to try a new one where corpos are takign things away because the "customers dont know what they want"

>>739952030
C: this isn't about fucking GAAS you retard, stop trying to make it about GAAS. It's about games that have an actual reason to rely on servers, for multiplayer, that are still at risk of being shut down. Any effects it'll have on GAAS are knockdown.

>>739951374
Okay, then I want corporations destroyed and bankrupted for ever making scams in the first place. If they make even a single F2P gacha game, they are stripped of all assets and their IPs are immediately put into public domain.

>>739952302
>no see its the corpos trying to take ma GAAS away man! thats why i gotta keep giving dem money y'know?
and so you have chosen to be a jew's pay-slave.
there is no helping you.

>>739952438
>thats why i gotta keep giving dem money y'know?
No, that's why I got the government involved to stop that.
That's why you're here crying and kvetching.

>>739952438
In what world do you live where SKG results in corpos getting more money for the game they sunsetted and gave out offline tools for?

>>739952507
>>739952596
as said earlier, SKG being established will make people more comfortable giving corpos money.
this is the exact opposite of what you want.
you should want the scam (GAAS) ripped away entirely, you should not want state mandated eternal scams.
last post from me, make those final (you)s count.

>>739952753
Once again you imply that SKG will force the scam to be "eternal". But once they sunset the game for "eternal" play that also cuts them off from getting more money, thus cuts the game off from being a scam. See how everyone else is getting confused?

In case any posters are wondering what this dumbass shill is trying to pull with his ebomics and retarded drug analogy:
He admitted here >>739946031 that what corpos do is an indefensibly bad thing and that his best solution to deal with their cancerous practices is to just ignore them and let them get away with it. Naturally, his entire script fell to pieces after that, and Im guessing he got chewed out by his boss for it.
So.now he's trying to pretend corporations taking things away is for your own good because they're better and stronger willed people.

>>739952753
>this is the exact opposite of what you want.
As I said here >>739951631 What I (and SKG as a whole) want is to keep and play the games I purchased and own without corporate interference.
Retard.

>>739946031
A. A one million times over.
>NOOO YOU WILL NUKE US AAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
I don't care if the problem is "ignorable", it is not a problem the corporate entities should have the power to make real, and I will take away that power.

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>>739939882
How does the law define 'free to play' and 'subscription based'? If a game has a demo/trial, does that make it F2P? If you sell a game and add an optional subscription, does that make it 'subscription based'?

>>739952753
>a fair market is a state mandated eternal scam
Huh?

>>739953231
No you see the very existence of the gameplay that was stuck behind the GAAS part is the actual scam of GAAS. Letting that gameplay continue to exist will somehow magically continue getting people scammed, even though the game no longer has any way to provide money to the corporate entities that made it.

lmao "government"
lmao "laws"

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>>739940475
Watching these posters move the goalposts has been incredibly funny
>LOL IT'S JUST A PETITION THIS IS NEVER GONNA GO ANYWHERE
>LOL SO WHAT IF IT GOT ALL THE SIGNATURES IT NEEDED THEY'RE JUST GONNA TELL YOU TO FUCK YOURSELVES WITHOUT DISCUSSING IT SERIOUSLY
>LOL SO WHAT IF THE GUY MADE A SPEECH IN THE EU PARLIAMENT THEY DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING
>LOL WHO CARES IF THEY'RE PASSING LAWS THEY DON'T COVER EVERY SINGLE USE CASE

>>739939882
why does ross sound like a normal human and not like a whiny nasally voiced subhuman in these videos?

>>739939882
Who gives a rat's arse about burger laws? Theirs souls (if they had one) is owned by corporations.