Who are the good guys of WH40k?
Me.
What is with the obsession with having a clearly defined "good guy?"
>>739958809its low effort bait.
These guys
>>739958681Big breasted Tau
>>739958809I don't think anyone actually wants that in the setting. Just dumb internet conversation divorced from consequence.
my loving wife is. Say something nice to her.
>>739958809cheap circlejerk so people can say "See? The Imperium are the good guys, i now can feel good about being an absolute asshole to everyone"
>>739958809low iqs need someone to root for
>>739958681 The Imperium are the good guys
>>739958681>Digganobz>Farsight Enclaves>The 2nd Primarch>Skaven>female Ratlings>female Sslyth>female Ogryn>male Earth Caste TauThat's about it
>>739959121low IQ take
>>739959085This is the reason the Helldivers community is so fucking gay and obnoxious. Literally just all the same memes and jokes as 40Kiddies but instead of "muh emprah" its "muh liberty".
>>739958809Media literacy fags say you can't enjoy 40k because the Imperium are the bad guys. So... who are the good guys?
>>739958907t.
>>739958681Who are the good guys of WH40k?The Sons of the Phoenix
I have chud-fatigue...
>>739958681
>>739959085more like cheap engagement bait for retards who think anyone gives a shit about le good guys in 40k.>l-look they're saying the guard are the good guys, the empire, the spess muhreens, the ultrasmurfs>clearly 40k are fascists who need to be purged from their hobby to make way for Amazon™ revisions to get rid of anything resembling HMFY from the setting because it's MEANT TO BE X, Y, Z thing that I LIKEIt's so blatantly from these brainlets and bots.
>>739958681unironically these guys, but people aint ready for this conversation
>>739958681Orks
Eldar got a 2 second appearance doing nothing Tau and manlets got nothingThe previous trailers were far more kinoShould have started with Girlyman and Lion doing separate monologues of their fights with the other factions with the trailer ending with them meeting each other on the same battlefield
>>739959407Oh fuck right off, fuckstick.
>>739959367and?
>>739959448>told to not play with fire>play with fire anyway because clearly you know better than everyone>lose an eye and damn your legionMagnus is the smartest retard in the galaxy.
>>739959448>genuinely just wanted to help>got his teeth kicked in by everyone around himPoor guy.
>>739959293N
>>739959448Not even Magnus thinks he's a good guy, he might be one of the only traitors to admit he fucked up and is beyond saving. Tragic and self aware, yes, but not good.
>>739959448because people ignore thousand sons basically had a psyker utopia made from a hellhole planet. even magnus himself with his arrogance genuinely cared for his legion and well being people of people under their charge. he simply had the misfortune of going up against ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU god of chaos. hell, he was the only fucker who actually tried to warn horus of what was going on when he was deep in poison induced coma and converted over to chaos.
>>739958681>Who are the good guys of WH40k?EL EMPERADOR
>>739959663magnus in 40k is an asshole because all of his good aspects are gone
>>739959747Such is the consequence of consorting with chaos.
>>739958681The Tau
>>739959287medialiteracy retards will parrot how "the imperium is a satire of fascism" while conveniently ignoring the fact that the universe is written in a way that 100% morally justifies all the "le evil" shit it does and acts more as a fascist power fantasy than anything. They'll literally go "uhhh, the imperium are not the good guys because xenophobia and killing civilians is, like, objectively bad, okay" only for the writing to show time and time again that not being xenophobic and murderous results in anything from mass extinction events to straight up demonic takeover. "IT'S MAKING FUN OF YOU, CHUD" has to be the most hilarious case of cognitive dissonance and raw copium in fandom history to date.
>>739959448>I tried so hard>and got so far>but in the end>it doesn't even matter>i had to fall>to lose it all>but in the end, it doesn't even matter
>>739958681The Space Marines obviously
>>739958681AVENGERS ASSEMBLE
>>739959564>>739959578both of these are true. I imagine the hypocrisy at nikea really chaffed his ego.>ban the use of psychic powers within legions>white scars and space wolves don't have "warp magic">stormseers and rune priests are TOTALLY different, guys
>>739959824Taught are an analogue of humanity before the fall, only in fast forward, they may not even get a chance to have an AI rebellion before the galaxy Grimdarks them. Every naive introduction to new races backfires against them.
Grimdark constantly sets up nowin situations for every single faction. Unless you want a setting that gives them an easy out you better accept everyone making those hard decisions.
>>739959448Knowledge is so great bros no seriously knowledge is the greatest weapon and guess what I know a cool spell that turns us all into dust. Yeah we will be living dust inside our armors and we will be eternally enslaved by Tzeentch does that sound cool or what?And then they fucked themselves over beyond repair
>>739960105The people bitching about it just want another Rings of Power situation in order to hang the IP dead for good.Same as they did with D&D.
>>739959861>One eyed...
>>739960125To be fair Magnus was PISSED when he learned what Ahriman did (without his permission) and wants to reverse it
>>739960274i mean, Ahriman himself is on a life long quest to reverse his own spell. Every single Ahriman novel (there are like 4 by now) is about this one single quest to undo the Rubric
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0hD3KBwoiA
>>739958681Farsight Enclave like this anon said >>739959154>Unlike the Tau Empire, everyone, regardless of caste, can pursue whatever they want and to their passion/desire. A Fire Caste warrior can one day decide to be an artist, and an Earth Caste mechanic can one day decide to become a pilot.>Humans and Tau have an equal pairing in society. Humans help the Tau establish the part of space they now occupy to drive out the Orks and have decided to give humans full partnership and citizenship.>On top of Tau mechs and artillery, they also go into battle using Imperial tanks and weaponry that was left over from the human colonists.>Run the society as a council in the form of a Military Junta, where war leaders from all the planets get together to decide the future of the empire.But they are so small and insignificant that they might as well not even exist, but as an idea, which kind of fits with the whole Grim Darkness thing.
>goodies but with no power to truly make a differenceTau, specifically Enclave Farsight>goodies with power to make a differenceEldar that are not Biel-TanAny Space Marine chapter that follows what Robot Girlyman has to sayNecrons
>>739960536>NecronsLolLmao even
>>739958809Put me in the screen cap. Anyways the answer is the humans that arent corrupted retards. 40k is just reverse star wars. If the sith did what they did but had good intentions
There is nothing interesting about any of the Primarchs. (except possibly Magnus the Red's original sculpt lmao)It's literally the most boring part of the setting next to the old obsession with Abaddon and what he was going to do next.
>>739960387Undo? UNDO?
>>739958681Blud Rehvans are the good guys
>>739960483>Didn't even make the latest edition trailerHAHAHAHAHA!
>>739958681the salamanders, known for hunting down dragons and cooking them in lava and volcanic ash
>>739958681Nobody, just various factions acting according to their interests. I guess as a very general thing you could say that all the factions opposing Chaos are "good guys" to some degree, but that doesn't mean they're allied or good guys to each other.
>>739958681They're all evil
>>739960428>canonical appearance of the emperorHOLEEE SHIIIIIEEEET
>>739961269always was
Of all the races Orks actually enjoy what they do. Dork elves are just constantly afraid to get backstabbed, the Tau are brainwashed and factually irrelevant, every Chaos Legion is just coping at this point and the Tyranids don't even have a concept of fun.
>>739958681Relictors.
>>739958681Necrons are the good guys>Actively tries to close the great rift via pylons>Awakes the tomb worlds to combat tyranids, daemons, etc.>Celestial Orrery>Can Negotiate >God batteries >Spares those who fight fairly>Blueman runs away from The King in terror>Space Elves avoid them completely >Destroyer LegionsAgain, Necrons are the only hope of this grimdark galaxy
>>739961450>Chaos Legion is just copingyeahhonestly kinda pathetic after 10,000 years Perturabo and the Iron Warriors even care about the Imperium anymore.
>>739961628because time is subjective in the warp. they haven't actually lived through 10 000 years.
>>739960483The fact they're so insignificant is a point in their favorite. They can be a sole enclave of genuine actual goodness in an otherwise shitty evil filled galaxy without affecting anything.
why do """"people"""" want peacehammer so bad? so they can turn it into DnD degeneratehammer fucking slaneesh cultists
>>739960483>Farsight Enclavethey might be on a slow path to becoming khorne worshippers, though. they're a tau society ran by the fire caste.
>>739959669>had a psyker utopia made from a hellhole planet>he simply had the misfortune of going up against ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU god of chaosWhat are the odds?
>>739961628It's honestly kind of funny how the whole thing just happened because of daddy issues.>inb4 but muh corrupting influence of ChaosIf Horus and the rest of the Primarchs weren't this autistic humanity would rule the stars by now
>>739961994T'au don't have enough of a soul to fall to chaos. Though Farsight himself is functionally immortal because he killed as shit ton of demons with a sword that steals the victims remaining life span, and demons are immortal so he stole immortal a couple hundred times
>>739961946>so they can turn it into DnD degeneratehammerThat already happened with Wrath and Glory
>>739962283You can't really play mixed groups in WanG just either imperial, Eldar or Ork groups
>>739962212>tfw ethereals hear Farsight has been alive for 300+ years already
>>739962212>T'au don't have enough of a soul to fall to chaos.The Fire Warrior protag nearly did
>>739958681the people that don't bother taking part in this god awful overrated slop franchise
>>739962362It's build to let you mix groups because it follows the modern D&D philosophy of everyone can be whatever they want without thought or consequence
>>739962576>It's build to let you mix groups because it follows the modern D&D philosophy of everyone can be whatever they want without thought or consequencereally?at least in WFRP they discourage that with Skink PCs and provide a multitude of reasons on why they wouldn't work with Human Conquistadors in Lustria
>>739962684A lot of people take liberties with WFRP. Hell, who even rolls for race/profession anymore? Bonus is not that significant.
the lamenters
>>739962684It's the opposite in Wrath and Glory they acknowledge that it would be weird for an ork, a sister of battle, a commissar and a random ganger to work together but the system encourages you to "come up with a reason" as to why they would work together
>>739962684Its a very special circumstance, because Wrath and Glory plays in a system that is entirely surrounded and cut off from the wider galaxy by the great rift. So you are kinda like an apocalypse survivor working for a Rogue Trader who is stranded there. You can play Deathskull orks (the mercenary ork clan) and craftworld/ corsair eldar (they occasionally work for rogue traders anyways)
>>739958681Youre a human so the good guys are the imperium.Every other factions wants to rape us, kill us and eat us. And not necessarily in that order.Side in your own interest or you deserve whatever comes your own way.
>>739962749>who even rolls for race/profession anymore?Me, anon random Carrer charts are fun
>>739962891the reason is that your Rogue Trader/ Inquisitor boss told you to and you have the chance to obey or die
>>739962907Tau has humans, Chaos has a shit ton of humans.
>>739962947h-here I go
the space elves
>>739962907>i cannot insert myself in a fiction property into anything that isnt literally medo you also lack internal monologue? Where do they find these retards
>>739962147Death guard are my boys and I fully agree.Mortarion never forgave emp for saving his life when his adopted dad was about to kill him.Then there was some stuff about always feeling unappreciated because dad didnt have time for him.But 100% it boils down to Maggie's fault blowing up the wall to warn E of chaos.
A hypothetical group of Dark Age of humanity era humans time travelling forward from the past to see humanity's degradation and going back in time to prevent the inevitable. They'd almost certainly do a closed loop and inevitably cause what they seek to prevent. But whatever, their heart would be in the right place.
>>739963035>35Depending on the race you rolled(it was probably human) you were either a Sevent a Advisor, an artist evoy or a spy
>>739960023Why do the elves armor have a 6 pack
>>739959407Polniggers like you belong in a woodchipper
>>739958681Give me 1 (one) reason it's not the boyz.
>>739963280cause they're basically like a fungal plague?
>>739960023
>>739963280>oi, 'ughie, Primarch 'omelanda done fucked me wife
>>739958681>could just get up any time he wants to>chooses to endure unimaginable pain and contest the sum total of all evil in existence every millisecond until the end of eternity and beyond>no self interest, just does so for the sake of humanity>rejected divinity so he could retain humanity to better serve his people>superior fashion aesthetics and sense of taste>protecs
>>739963068So youd rather identify with the space rapists and you call me a retard.I bet you genuinely say the emperor was evil and the imperium are the bad guys
>>739962973>tau has humans Gelded slaves >chaos tooMind raped crazy people.
>>739963628i take the side of whomever i want, whenever i want, for whatever reason i want. How is this hard to grasp? I can enjoy playing as Space Marines today, Guard tomorrow, Chaos a week later, right after a session where i root for Necrons, Eldar, Nids or Orks.Its a entertainment property, not second life.
>>739961946Obviously. They want it to be another venue for le girlbossing cafe writing.
>>739963523>>could just get up any time he wants toIs that true? I thought he was pretty much a corpse fused to the chair?
>>739961269That's always basically been his canonical appearance. A withered corpse hooked up to innumerable tubes. That's what blanks see when they look at him. And his 'true' appearance in the Warp is just an ordinary tired old man of Anatolian heritage, that's what Malcador sees as the Emperor's own self-image.
>>739964001he cant get up, but even if he could, doing so would re-open the tear the Magnus tore and flood Terra with demons
>>739958681WARNIGGER 40Oz
>>739962947Just a cheeky roll
>>739963252Go elsewhere to ruin another nerd franchise you walking disease vector.
>>739964001He could divert his power to heal himself at any time. But that would mean taking attention away from the Chaos Gods and Terra would be instantly consumed by the Warp, the Astronomicon would be lost, Humanity would lose the ability to operate as an intergalactic society, the beating heart of the Imperium and the brain of the Administratum would be no more, the Solar fleet would be gone and with it the strategic military advantage of the Imperium, and much more importantly to the Emperor, all the trillions and trillions of souls he is safeguarding from Chaos in the Warp would be devoured, decisively losing the Great Game.And yes Games Wokeslop would really REALLY like to retcon that this is all part of some sort of self-interested or evil plot and the Emperor was BAD FASCIST CIS MAN NOBODY GOOD EVIL IS RELATIVE YAY COMMUNISM AMAZON PLEASE PLEASE BUY US PLEASE but it is so hard coded into the lore that all of this is beneficent that it they really can't without breaking everything. Yes the Emperor can just get up any time he wants. Yes, he does it simply to protec.
Imperium , but only -ONLY- because literally every other faction want to extinguish the human race. The only alternative are the tao, who want greater good enslavement, which is basically the exact same thing as what the Imperium but with a blue tint is doing so frankly it's a coinflip. You'll be in labor camps or front line fodder regardless if it's for man on throne or 5head aliens. I have not watched, read, played, or touched anything warhammer and will stand by my headcanon.
>>739964158>>739964654Why don't they just move everything off of earth and rebuild the astronomican elsewhere then?
>>739964941STOP ASKING QUESTIONS, HERETIC
why do the guys who guard the golden throne have long, eldar looking helmets
>>739964941The Golden Throne is a deus ex machina that not even the Necrons and Dark Eldar can understand.
>>739964941Nobody knows how it works.Nobody knows how to fix it.Nobody knows how to turn it off.Nobody knows how to turn it back on again.
>>739958681Anyone who kills Tau is a good guy.
>>739964941Why don't the Jews just not worship Israel and live somewhere else?Anon what is logical, is not rational in a religious society.
>>739964941Why don't they just give him a text to speech device?
>>739965275They did and he said a slur :^(
>>739964158Couldn't necron tech be used to close the tear and allow him to regenerate?
>>739964941there's that dangerous type of talk again
>>739960483>Humans and Tau have an equal pairing in society . . . decided to give humans full partnership and citizenship.aaaand chaos incursion because permissiveness is an open door to that shit
I'm a human so everyone trying to kill humans are bad which leaves me and humanity to be the good guys by default
>>739958681Tzeench
>>739962947>no wood elf lawyer aerîn brockovich
>>739959287Lets just cut straight to the quick.Media Literacy fags want to discourage everyone from enjoying 40k because they hate 40k's traditional audience and want to destroy the hobby to spite them.
>>739965486I don't think it really matters.As a human, you're going to apply human reasoning to alien lifeforms which is obviously going to make you bewildered by them. However, in game settings and basically all fiction, these alien lifeforms are created by humans already and had their motivations and structure already human designed...
do the AdMech actually believe the Emperor and the Omnissiah are the same being or are they just paying lip service to the idea
I can't wait for Total Warhammer40k to release and a mod to change it into 30k - Horus Heresy. Look, I just don't like WH40K for the large armies and battles, I see it more as a strike force type gameplay/ setting with far smaller squads but more specialised.However, I like 30k because it has those enormous armies and numbers with the Legions and I want a mod for the Total War game to make that a reality, a Horus Heresy mod campaign you just know someone will make it and I can't fucking wait. I want to fucking kill so many traitor bastards and I will, again and again and again. Starting with that BASTARD Erebus.
>>739964001I like to think he's just been fueled by passive aggressive spite for the last 10,000 years>no no no I'll just sit here and let you guys handle it since you toooootally don't need me. hey it looks like you're doing such a great job! oh no no I couldn't just step in and ruin your autonomy...
>>739958681Why are 40k thread allowed despite not being video games? We don't have Forgotten Realms/DnD threads with people talking about their campaigns just because some games use the ruleset/lore.
Hire me games workshop.
>>739966139>nooo how can they allow a non xitter non e-celeb thread this is a travestyGo play at being a wannabe janny somewhere else. Like in oncoming traffic.
>>739966203>>739965205
>>739966139I've been in a few BG3 threads where all we talk about is Drow lore/Drow society and Drow women.
>>739960428>lasguns shooting distinct yellow boltsthe era of the FAR SUPERIOR red pulsed beam lasgun is truly fucking over, isn't it? why does gamesworkshop always have to pick the lamest and fucking gayest option?
>>739959824>>739960065Yep, the auxilliary races spawned a Chaos god and the T'au will become more xenophobic than the Imperium within next 1000 years
how much longer must i wait for total war 40k
>>739966139Warhammer 40k is video games no matter how much tabletopfags cry and scream that it isn't.
>>739966203Good job, Terra now has exploded and created a second eye of terror
>>739966819Better?
>>739959448In a universe without tzeentch, sure. In a universe with tzeentch they are just the pure embodiment of the “road to hell paved with good intentions” trope
>>739963523>gets up, stretches>says "nobody's gonna believe you anyway" to the nearest custodes>sits back
>>739964173>73probably got Stevodore anonSo a guy that transport cargo from ships to land
>>739958793This guy gets itThe game isn't about meta gaming and you're meant to embody your faction 's core tenets and values
ENTER
>>739964941>>739966203>>739966819>>739966910Astronomican outage aside, wouldn't it be possible to seal Magnus' fuckup with necron blackstone tech?
>>739960428really fucking good video, reminds me of the old times and no fucking gay shit like women fighting
>>739959828They are also dumbasses because the Imperium has nothing to do with fascism. It is a feudal society. It always has been. It is Warhammer Fantasy in Space which is a Feudal Society. There are Fascist planets inside of the Imperium. But that is a specific planet and not the whole. There are Theocratic planets. There are democracies. There are republics. But all need to pay a tax to the overlord and for the most part go about their business. The overlord only steps in if either the tax stops flowing or there is demonic or alien subversion of the planet. I am tired of idiots not knowing what fascism is.
>>739967359Necron blackstone tech seals off the Warp, which also means no Warp travel, no astropaths e.t.c. It even has the ability to turn normal non-psyker humans insane. Look into what happened to human worlds within the Pariah Nexus. Even if that would work, you all forgetting that Terra is the first World, it's the most important planet to humanity to the Imperium in the entirety of the Galaxy and the most important person on that planet is the Emperor. You think you're going to convince the Custodes to move the Emperor? You're going to have to fight the ten thousand.
>>739967310he is literally me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYhBOV00FEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYhBOV00FEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqYhBOV00FEARE WE READY
>>739966636While I 'do' like 40k threads if 40k is video games then so is>Forgotten Realms>Star Wars>LotR>most major scale historical conflicts>the Bibleand so on
>>739966237There's a difference between bg3 thread where people talk about Forgotten Realms and Forgotten Realms thread retard
>>739967913I can't stand his accent. Fuck off.
>>739967917So why is this a problem? You act like you've never heard the term "multimedia franchise" before.
>you will not be missedwhat did they mean by this?you can just tell reddit is gonna be insufferable about this line
>>739968058>So why is this a problem?I'm autistic. Double standards bug me.Again, I speak as someone who DOES enjoy 40k threads.
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>>739959448Magnustard deserves only death.
>>739962212>T'au don't have enough of a soul to fall to chaosAnd other copes T'au fans like to tell themselves. I'm sure Farsight feeding people to the immortality sword is going to have no consequences at all in 40k. lel.
>>739958681Necrons, our HEROES
>>739959512>doing nothingThey are living peacefully while everyone else dies covered in mud.
>>739968185>I'm autistic.Oh, nevermind then. Your input is worthless.
>>739958681>>739958809The Tau are the Better ones so far.
>>739968153It's the version from rogue trader
>>739968245>futa
>>739960483Based Farsight, the Actual Heroes of the Galaxy
>>739961373me hooked up to palantir's goonstation in 2030
>>739960889No, they will innocent eldars and Tau.
>>739968153It's the original version.
>>739968526>innocent eldar
>>739968305Yes!
>>739965168Kill the Imperials.
>>739958681Alpha legion
>>739968565That Little girl eldar they burned for no reason, you fool
>>739968302Well, I'M certain it won't. It's like the Eldar, you can't have consequences if writers give so little of a shit about you that they'll only touch you by company mandate.
>>739965168Ever once in a while something good happens.I had no hope that there would ever be a follow up to Chaos Gate Daemonhunters, which was so out randomly blue good that I figured it must have been an accidentCautiously optimistic now.
>>739959448So true King
>>739968654no reason?
>>739958681Only drones multicultu antifa mindbroken drones think that the Imperium are not the good guys.Everybody is right-wing for the people they actually care about.
>>739968457>>739968245Slannesh Abomination.
>>739963916you can have that with all the grimderp bullshit that makes it amazinghell it happens all the time, female commissars, female rogue traders, female tech priests, fucking sisters of battle, all high ranking women who can girlboss all over the galaxy but people don't want that for some reason
The good guys are whoever look the coolest.And that is obviously the Dark Angels, my personal heroes.
>>739967310Warhammer 40k is like.Cyborgs vs OrksImperial Swines vs Star ElvesDark Elves vs Dino ants"Infected" (genestealer cult) vs DwarvesAliens (Tau) vs War demonsLust demons vs Alien RobotsPlague Demons vs Mind DemonsWe need Skavens here.
>>739959448>never tell your sons what the warp of chaos is>one of them starts hearing whispers and giving him super natural powers>your son naturally thinks this is a good thing and keeps listening to it>oh no oh god oh fuckunironically why didn't the emprah confide in magnus what tzeentch and chaos is since he was suppose to be the psyker primarch
>>739968695psycho mantis?
>>739968695Yes
this ur emperor?
>>739968902Dark Vengance was a nice break from the Ultramarine future that came after it.
>>739969098Nuh uh
>>739968943>We need Skavens here.We already have a clown faction in 40k. You can keep it contained in AOS where it belongs lmao.
>>739969112
>>739969629Holt is such a CHAD. Commissars aren't as all powerful as they were in the times this game came out.
>>739969112No, but this is.
>>739969705Not as badass as Commissar Graves though.
>>739969705Holt remains the only Commissar I find actually cool.
The good guys are your dudes and that's about it.
>>739958809This bait is older than you are.
>>739969551They would fit perfectly in the Concept of this Universe.
>>739970063Orks already cover everything skaven do. They have tech, religion and swarm aspects, but better than reddit rats.
>>739968943So... factions in short are:HumansCyborgsCultsOrksStar elvesDark elves Dwarven Aliens (Tau)Robots (Necrons)Beasts (Tyranid)Beast Cults (Genestealers)Chaos:War demonsLust DemonsPlague DemonsMind Demons
>>739970309>but better than reddit rats.Hahahahahaha!
>>739970382Thanks for proving me right. Good job,
>>739958809Star wars and marvel fans migrating to other properties
>>739958681The Tyranid.Chaos is evil for the sake of evil.Humans are evil for the sake of fighting evil..Tau are buttfuckers and therefore sinners.Necrons fucked everything up because they're full of envy.Orks are all about wrath and have nothing else that tickles their taints.Eldar are elves and therefore damned by default.The Tyranid want to eliminate all life in the system, which is bad for life in the system, but that'll close space-hell as it has nothing else to feed on and that's good.
So Necrons are the real good guys. Thanks guys.
>>739970704You welcome
Well let's establish that every single faction wants to rule the galaxy. Tau is the most benevolent since they want to bring in everyone to their empire "legally".Elder and Necrons, aside from a few factions within them, want to lord over everyone but otherwise not give a fuck about races they consider lesser.Tyranids/Orks are just beasts so they are neutral.Humanity under the Imperium actively wants to genocide any race they deem inferior, so they are evil.Chaos is obviously pure evil.
>Hey you know how we need those special stones just to not get raped later?>The ones that can only be found on our old worlds, now filled with daemon immigrants?>The ones that even a s̶u̶p̶e̶r̶ human jaw can shatter?>Yea we're gonna slap em on the front of your armorDo Eldar REALLY? If you need direct skin contact, then why not just shape spirit stones into buttplugs?
>>739971874>then why not just shape spirit stones into buttplugs?Would end up summoning slaanesh
>>739968689Same. I just hope they didnt stretch themselves too thin with all those factions and a bigger roaster for the player as well.Now watch all those factions in the trailer be DLC.
>>739958809Americans.T. American
>>739960387>searching for anything to reverse the rubric>eldar resurrects a bunch of rubric marines after meeting them in the webway>eldar shit immediately blasts a hole in the webway launching them into the warp
>>739968960>why was the emperor bad at guiding his sonsBecause we wouldn't have the current setting if the emperor was good at raising kids.
With the advent of femstodes, how long do you think it will take for the reveal that half of all space marines have been women all along?On an unrelated note, what do you call that which corrupts all it touches and can create nothing of it's own?
>>739958681>the good guysmy faction>the bad guyseveryone else
>>739958896Their the fungys. Get it cause they are the fun guys who are fungus
>>739971862>the Imperium actively wants to genocide any race they deem inferiorIn the past before The Great Crusade humanity made deals with xenos,During The Long Night they turned their backs on humanity.Some took advantage of the situation to invade human worlds.The Emperor had a rightful hate boner against the xeno filth for that.Now in the 41k Millenium humanity just hate xenos but there was a good reason for it.
>>739958681>Good guysThe sexy ones>Bad guysThe ugly ones.Simple as.
>>739958681>Who are the good guys of WH40k?orksthey're just having fun
Will I enjoy rogue trader if I never had any interest in warhammer but loved xcom ew
>>739973769yes, it can work as a good introduction to the setting without much previous knowledge
>>739973769YeahThe game is pretty self explanatory and most werid terms have a link you can hover over to read the definitionIt's pretty noob friendly.
>>739973769Not really, it's more a CRPG than a tactical X-com like game. There are plenty of other Warhammer 40k X-com like games though, Daemonhunters 1 or Mechanicus 1, especially Daemonhunters Chaosgate. You'll have far more fun with that.
>>739973769>OwlcuckNo
>>739973769Rogue Trader is a CRPG, not a tactical game like XCOM or Jagged Alliance
>>739973769>but loved xcom ewjust so you know anon this is kind of like asking if you'll like crusader kings because you liked kingdom come deliverance. they're pretty different genres
>>739959828Arguably in like rogue trader imperium was legitimately written as a bad thing since that was just supposed to be the backdrop and had a parody undercurrent, but that hasn't really been true for a long time.GW has been writing them as serious protagonists who are basically right even if their methods are extreme and go too far sometimes ever since, so it's funny how the "media literacy" fags, who probably weren't even around back then, keep insisting imperium is bad.The best part though is the cognitive dissonance. Despite GW obviously been trying to appeal to those modern audience fags in other ways the imperium being right basically never really changed, so I have no idea how they manage to keep believing it.
>>739974793On second thought, it has to be some sort of cope to "allow" themselves to enjoy the setting without being like those chuds who take it seriously
>>739974228>>739974275Ah from a glance it seemed that the combat is quite similar to xcom. I’m not averse to crpgs if I get to scratch the grid based tactics itch.>>739974130Looks good I’ll check these out
>>739961628It's more like they want to fuck with the Imperial Fists rather
>>739974946Maybe part of it, but GW has been turboleft woke as shit for decades.
>>739974130To hard gave up
>>739974947It’s turn based and grid but the tactics part is thin, it’s hard to not trivialize everything to end in one turn very quickly.
>>739973769Mechanicus is the more XCOM like game
>>739969705COMMISSAR Holt.
>>739973151The Emperor was objectively correct to destroy them. It is natural for every species to prioritize themselves above others. The non-humans will always seek to place themselves above humans. And humans will always seek to place themselves above non-humans. Do unto others before they do it unto you and do it first.
>>739958681None. Everyone is varied degree of asshole.
>>739968689My interest immediately died when it's Primaris again.At least Grey Knights were untouched.
>>739958681The Squats
Objectively speaking the Eldar or Tau are the least dangerous if they were to achieve their goals. Yes the Tau rule through mind control but the outcome of the Tau empire is pretty just and utopian compared to what everybody else offers. I'm not really sure what the Eldar would do if they regained their power. They would probably want to kill everybody to retake their planets but it could be peaceful as well.
>>739964941Because the Emperor alone understands how it all works. 10,000 years of social, cultural, economic and military build up and concentration on Earth and Mars can't just be 'moved' in terms of the Imperium. The Void Dragon is sealed up on Mars and can't be moved without something horrible happening (and nobody besides the Emperor even knows it is there). The Imperial Palace, the Golden Throne and Atronomican are simply not capable of being moved or replaced. There are things sealed in the Imperial Palace that are simply too dangerous to exist elsewhere, let alone be moved. There are trillions and trillions of humans in the Segmentum Solar that would be annihilated if the webway gate in the palace suddenly turns the entire Solar System into another Eye of Terror.The whole point is the Chaos Gods carefully maneuvered the Emperor into a stalemate situation where they could slowly corrupt and decay the Imperium with nothing he could do about it. Chaos' victory would have been eventually assured if not for Tzeench being unable to keep it in his pants and changing the rules of the game with the Great Rift. Just as planned.
>>739977317>carefully maneuvered the emperor being a colossal retard is not the chaos gods carefully maneuvering, and chaos is fucked anyway once the nids finally reach into the galaxy in force after however long it's been
>>739958809Amerigoylems literally need to be fed a narrative about doing good. They're unable to simple enjoy being evil (which they are)
>>739977317Emperor is sort of retarded to have built it all on earth anyway. At the time emperor reconquered it humans were an interstellar species for thousands of years and it was a shithole nobody cared about despite being the human homeworld.
>>739958681My Rogue Trader Iconoclast and his space cthon son
>>739977532There was no specific part of the Emperor's plan that was not perfectly logical and purposeful. The only thing that really went wrong was Magnus being the mother of all retards. And that was Tzeench being Tzeench. And the Emperor, in the end, just couldn't out-4D chess something that exists on the 5D level. Or maybe he could, knowing Tzeench would naturally eventually go full retard in order to prevent the game from ending.>>739977759Earth and Mars still contained all the Golden Age technology, Webway connection, and the Void Dragon Shard. That was immutable.
>>739958681NecronsThe stars were theirs and shall be theirs again
The orkz are the good guysThey simply do everything for the love of the game. They live happy and they die happy. Everyone else is just in pure suffering mode. How can you even compete?
>>739970309Pretty sure the Imperium fit better with Skaven with their hive worlds and stuff and swarm of guardsmen
>>739966098varies, some do, some dont
What faction has the biggest problem with 'all of our infantry units look the exact fucking same?' I think it's Sisters, the only one that looks different is Repentia.
>>739977759The Golden Throne was already in Terra since the Emperor left humanity alone as Alexander the Great.The Void Dragon was already imprisoned in Mars before the Martians became cyborg tech cultists.
>OP's questionYou have to put good into context here. Are they good because they fight evil/chaos? Are they good because they never did anything wrong? Are they good because they're mostly defensive? Retributive?Its easier to define which ones are the bad guys. Anyway, the thread topic has so many responses already its pointless to give OP another (you) for the bait, especially since the discussions won't be at all novel. All I can say is put in more effort into your topics, but at least its not a twitter screencap, gacha, or culture war thread so you have that going for you.
>>739965472>aaaand chaos incursion because permissiveness is an open door to that shitPermissiveness produced the Many-Armed God, a representation of the Greater Good. So far, it appears wholly benevolent.
>>739958809Narcissism. A narcissist is all about looking proper and good, and has an extremely weak sense of self and identity. That means they can't play a "bad" guy or play a "bad" game because that means they would also be seen as a "bad" or "dumb" person. So they need to play a "good" guy, or have people acknowledge what they are doing is "good" so that they will be seen as a "good" or "smart" person. They need constant validation of their image being correct, and constant emotional validation that they are doing the correct things so that their image is correct.Narcissism is usually developed early in childhood from receiving too much praise and adulation over even the smallest and inconsequential achievements, but even adults can develop NPD when they have too much smoke blown up their asses and too much praise for accomplishing what amounts to nothing.Now, you are probably going, "Wait a tick, that sounds a lot like those "people" who go around moralizing and condemning others while throwing around -ist and -phobe words! It also sounds like the faggots who go around insisting a shit game is actually misunderstood and kino!" Yes. Exactly. Congratulations. You now know what is the biggest mental health crisis in the Western World: rampant narcissism and insecurity that can't allow someone to be seen as enjoying or liking something that isn't universally seen as the "good" or "smart" choice.
>>739959448>hiding the truth of the warp from the general publicbasically a necessity, people IRL would definitely worship demons if they knew how>hiding the truth of the warp from your normal, human military and those adjacent to themstill probably a good idea, they're just people and the information would inevitably leak>hiding the truth of the warp from your race of turbo-augmented super-soldiers specifically designed to fight aliens and demonsborderline, your average muhreen does not think that differently from a normal human and while they could be trusted to keep the secret, it might not be reasonable to expect them to never ever turn to chaos, especially in really bad situations where they may see it as an option, even when told it's never ever an option>hiding the truth of the warp from your genetically engineered general-sons who you expect to conquer the galaxy in your steadkinda retarded, but I can understanding keeping it from some of the more fucked up ones like curze and angron>hiding the truth of the warp from your giga-psyker general-son who spends loads of time astrally projecting himself into the warp and with whom you have had loads of conversations and who is so loyal to you he almost killed himself and his entire legion after the incidentsee pic
>>739981696>your average muhreenThey have human thoughts but they are far more disciplined, far more aggressive, far more enthusiastic for battle, and in general have much more of a mentality suited for constant warfare.They don't think like the average person, you can say they're much more autistic.
>>739981696The Emperor did literally nothing right.
>>739981940>The Emperor did literally nothing rightHis aesthetic is immaculate.
>>739981940When you think about it, who has done anything right in 40k?
>>739982000Jaghatai Khan. He failed to accomplish any of his goals, but he always made the correct choice every time, he just didn't have enough power to influence things enough.
>>739964941The answer to every question you have about Warhammer 40k boils down to the following:Because a long time ago some Magic Frogs had a war with the Q Continuum from Star Trek over what reality -- i.e., the materium -- was gonna look like.No I am not joking.Yes this is the reason the seat of Humanity's power cannot be moved from Terra. That location was, like Cadia, significant in the fabric/properties of what is now known as the materium/immaterium and its current fluxuating connection/separationAlso the Emperor imprisoned something there from that long-ago war -- technically on Mars -- that is incredibly important to humanity.It is the Emperor on Terra, a man ascended to the ability of competing on the level of a Space Frog or Q, that is holding together the status quo of reality with force of will. Part of the irony is that the only thing that saved him and all of humanity from oblivion the faith he so arrogantly dismissed as toxic during his heyday, despite its very obvious downsides.>>739969551Skaven are in 40k, and have communicated with 40k races. Or I guess it's more accurate to say that time, space, and dimensions mean nothing within the Warp.Kaldor Draigo confirms that all realities, timelines, and possibilities are all connected and that the concept vs concept battle within the warp doesn't give a shit about your ability to comprehend how or why. It really doesn't matter if all of Fantasy is one planet in the Eye of Terror, or if all of 40k exists within Caledor Dragontamer's Vortex. The stakes are exactly the same, run in parallel, and impact one another as the heroism, tragedy, and despair of each echo through all things.
>>739982057Yeah well if the Emperor was strong enough he could've just easily stomped Horus, instead of almost losing, and then kicked the chaos gods' collective asses.
>>739982061I miss the frogs.
>>739969112not likely, it's been pretty heavily implied that nobody actually knows what the big E looks like since he's passively brainblasting everyone in his presence to see what they want to see in himeven nulls/blanks aren't 100% immune to warp influence and E is basically a chaos god in (im)mortal flesh so he just makes them see what seems like an average-looking manperhaps he's just a really powerful genestealer patriarch playing the long con
>>739960483it is funny how it genuinely annoys people that the farsight enclave is mostly decent. whether it's on an oddball political level or a pure creative "I like it when everyone sucks and the universe forces you to suck" level, the farsight enclave continuing to exist without being raped by chaos for being decent always draws ire
>>739982135>perhaps he's just a really powerful genestealer patriarch playing the long conMy personal opinion is that the Emperor of Mankind is Conan the Barbarian supercharged with Dark Age of Technology giga-science and is the last, and greatest, of the Men of Gold. Malcador was his tard wrangler.
>>739958681the happy go lucky orkz they just wanna have fun
>>739982436first person horror game where you're a hapless villager in a medieval setting and you start running into these mushrooms completely unaware or untelegraphed that you're in the 40k universe
>no good guys exi-
>>739970319Thanks
Is there a way to fix the steam release of fire warrior or should i just download the gog release?
>>739958681>Who are the good guys of WH40k?
>>739958681The necrons
>>739980992this is my favorite part about SoB as a star wars refugeei like a nice uniform army
>>739958681The A.I.Except when they get corrupted by Chaos because Chaos is great at hacking and programming.
>>739977069truth nuke
>>739962779this
>>739983954Resin sucks ass to work and build with>toxic fumes>pointy bits break apart just by touching them>vehicles are a pain in the ass to print>mostly garbage pre-supports means you have to build supports yourself to fit your printer specs>super gluing bits together is annoying compared to plastic adhesive on plasticAll that being said, I'd still sooner buy from a printer shop than directly through GW.
>>739966278While I do like the red beam more the yellow blast isn’t new it shows up in the art even the old art far more than the red beam.
>>739984534sounds cooler though
Emperor lore is so retardedSo a bunch of literal ooga booga neanderthals did some ooga booga magic and sacrificed themselves and become some giga nigga?lmao
>>739984748Psykers gonna fuck-everything-up-for-everyone
The trailer makes it look like the Emprah is about to stand up and become a menace for the Imperium and against Chaos
>>739984803It makes no sense.It stands to reason some literal prehistoric retards would not be more adept at that than all the humanity that came after, including the newborn psykers that would keep spawning
>>739984748this is unironacly the BEST emperor backstory
>>739958681The objectively correct answers are: >The Farsight EnclaveOr>SalamandersThe Farsight Enclave have to cope with the fact they’re so minuscule & irrelevant to the grand scale of the setting that they tangibly can achieve nothing outside of just managing to exist. Salamanders have to cope with the fact that despite their humanitarian aims, the Imperium will worsen every human life they save, and their actions will only truly improve the lives of humans specifically on Nocturne and nowhere else. If you aren’t fortunate enough to be part of the Farsight Enclave or be born in territory controlled by Salamanders, then objectively you will be ruled by some form of evil regardless of your own quality of life. >>739958793This is the intended spirit to have in the setting.
>>739958681Necron
>>739984929I think they were all perpetual psykers so, ya know, they had extra oomph I guessMalcador was a perpetual psyker too..
Probably the Drukhari realistically. The whole universe must suffer for what its become. Turn the whole thing into an ikea
>>739984748Thats the only emperor lore I enjoy.
>>739984748It makes the Emperor’s own actions even more retarded because if you have the understanding that he’s a collective super-consciousness instead of an immortal human psyker who tripped balls on his own ego, then his own limited human decisions that cause fuck ups just out the super-consciousness as too fallible to trust.
>>739985110>nu lore
>>739985290Just because youre part of a collective of people doesnt make that collective smart
>>739981696Knowledge about chaos increases risk of corruption
>>739984748they sacrificed themselves and made a reasonably powerful perpetual psyker. he didn't become a giganiga until during/after the age of technology.
How the fuck is total war 40k going to play with mostly ranged armies wielding guns and tanks/walkers>>739985290They covered that in the dark imperium stuff. Guilliman experienced the emperors mind as completely fragmented between all the personalities now, all of them in agony and incoherent.
>>739985290It's my understanding that the Emperor is a super super-genius who lived through humanity's golden age of super tech.So why didn't he recreate much of it? Is his genetic engineering better than peak humanity's?Was he unable to?
>>739958681Nids cuz they're cute
>>739985919Inventing technology and improving people’s lives is stupid when you can instead kill billions of humans in an intergalactic crusade & replace all human cultures, philosophy, religion, and general metaphysical understanding of reality with blind dogmatic obedience to the intergalactic superstate you created.
>>739982561>The Village, except the stupid twist is that they're on a 40k Feudal World
>>739982561That’s kind of the plot of one of the books
>>739984748I mean, he had a LOT of time to become all cultured & shit.
>>739985138If you're an absolute psychopath, it probably isBut you have to contend with the fact that you have competitors that are just as willing to turn you into a lampshade.
>>739985946Nids don’t have a terrible deal if you can manage to be a genestealer patriarch. All the other genestealers are super fucked though.
>>739985919he spent those years gooning and letting robots memorize all that shit like everyone else
>>739958681A handful of individuals among the Imperium, Craftworld Eldar, and Tau
>>739958681>Who are the good guys of WH40k?Rogue Traders followed by Seneschals followed by the Rogue Trader's wife.Everyone else is categorically evil and no crime against them is too extreme.
>>739986090Wait, was the Emperor a space-commie?Is that why the universe is in such a terrible state, they let a space commie be in charge?
The Blood Pact
>>739986302Why do you think the Imperium has literal commissars?
>>739958681>No Ethereals, no Ethereal mindrape>True believers of the Greater Good. Egalitarian (everyone/all aliens are equal) martial society>Adaptable, willing to use all strategies and alien/human technology>Combat doctrine where they like close-quarter combat along with far-range.>More are finding ways to defect to the EnclavesYou have to admit, they probably are the place you'd want to be born in, but the fact that you know how the rest of the universe is and you can get gangraped at any moment would leave you dejected.
>>739985919They tried to it just takes time especially when there are horrific aliens trying to kill and eat you>>739986090Khrave claws typed this post
>>739960483Farsight is the only based Tau.Sadly it sucks to live there because they're broke and under perpetual(er) war. But godamm even I want to hope from time to time.
>The Galaxy is super fucked and you're all doomed.And as a Rogue Trader, I'll be drunkenly singing with a Space Harem of Alien Babes until the very end. Dying happy is about the greatest achievement in the Imperium of Man.
>>739960029Literally Magnus's fault. If he didn't start all but summoning demons while saying that he is very smart, all others are ignorant idiots and the future will prove him right, all while mangling Plato's cave, maybe others would accept Librarians.
>>739986398Because you weren't supposed to turn around.Only to acknowledge that he was in town.
>>739958681I think the entire series is for chronic losers and retards.
>>739968960The Emperor SPECIFICALLY told Magnus about Chaos and warned him several times to stop fucking around with it. But Magnus thought he was the smartest person in the universe for whom nothing would ever go wrong, so of course he didn't listen.
>>739968960The Emprah wanted half and even 3/4 of the Primarchs to go full traitor.He only really wanted Horus, Guilliman, Lion and Dorn to remain, the others are expendable and would have gotten Thunder Warrior'd.
>>739959243you might be possibly autistic
So, which Loyalist Primarch is coming back next? I was at first hoping for Dorn, but I think it'll probably be Jaghatai Khan.
>>739986147name of the book? sounds like a fun read
How many traitor legions have loyalists dreadnaughts?There's the Anchorite and Rylanor, are there more?
>>739983286>*Sterilizes human populations to keep them from overbreeding beyond Tau control*>*Sterilizes human populations that they judge are too hard to control anyway*>*Attaches mind-control helmets to Vespids*>*Lies to everyone about daemons just being weird aliens and magic not being real*>*Forces their own species to exist in artificial castes where you have no freedom to pursue your own desires*Pfft... nothing personnel, kid...
>>739987636There's a World Eaters one who was awakened in the middle of the Heresy and he went apeshit at the traitors before getting destroyed.There were a lot of Death Guard dreadnoughts on Istvaan 3.
>>739987720Don't forget that the Ethereal are likely a proxy species installed by the Eldar, too.
>>739987636>How many traitor legions have loyalists dreadnaughts?Better question : how many traitor legions have dreadnoughts at all? I'm not talking about Helbrutes, I'm talking about the actual "space marine too wounded to live but too important to die" dreadnoughts who actually looked at their traitor primarchs and went "You know what, he makes some very good points"?
>>739959448>Knows Horus is the one that set up the burning of Prospero in the first place after getting bailed out by Tzeentch.>Joins him anyway to attack TerraMagnus is and always will be a massive cuck.
>>739958681The Imperium of course. Anything that keeps humanity going is objectively good, anything that threatens humanity is objectively evil. Any other stance on this is brainlet reddit cope.
>>739988130A lot
>>739960428>Gork cameoBASED
>>739988130At this point, I don't think any of the Traitor Primarchs care enough about their Space Marines to spend the time putting them in a Dreadnought.
>>739987604Knights of macragge. I haven’t read it myself but the plot has Cato sicarius and some other marines stranded on a fuedal world where they are fighting orks
>>739988315Obviously, plus the fact that with Chaos none of the important enough CSM truly die anymore, they just wait to respawn which renders the point of dreadnought internment moot. But that would only apply in the present. I'm asking about dreads that were that way before the heresy who threw their lot in with Horus' side.
>>739958681Unequivocally the Tau
>>739967913cringe hammer
>>739988468They either died or mutated. They still do have non helbrute dreadnoughts like ferrum infernis dreadnoughts but they are far more rare
They should make an animated Horus heresy series but have it styled like wwe
>>739987720>>*Sterilizes human populations to keep them from overbreeding beyond Tau control*>>*Sterilizes human populations that they judge are too hard to control anyway*I like the lore tidbit that the Tau's insanely strict population control and monitoring means they never have a Genestealer problem desu.
>>739987720tbf they did an excellent job creating communism in space
>>739958809Tolkien understood. There is objective good and objective evil. Grey morality is mentally ill cope from liberal faggots.
>>739988298thats clearly Mork dumbass
>>739988627>I like the lore tidbit that the Tau's insanely strict population control and monitoring means they never have a Genestealer problem desu.Until that one run-in with Cain.
>>739988435cheers anon
>>739988663there is no grey in 40k every faction is blackyou can say there can be now shadow without light but what if the shadow was always there and it was just to dark to see it
>>739962821>Doesn't wrath and glory have a card that references love can bloom?
>>739988627>I like the lore tidbit that the Tau's insanely strict population control and monitoring means they never have a Genestealer problem desu.I dislike this mainly because no faction has genestealer problems ever except the Imperium. Same with Chaos corruption.
>>739958681whoever makes me dick hardso the space murder elves
>>739988704That was on an imperial planet that the tau was vassalizing through soft power.
>>739988860Yeah but that's still genestealers being the Tau's problem now.
>>739958681the ones most fervently convinced they are doing the right thingsisters of battleword bearers
>>739988813>no faction has genestealer problems ever except the Imperium. Same with Chaos corruption.Technically there are other minor xenos races that have these issues but they rarely get any major lore presence, Chaos aligned Xenos are what got Fulgrim corrupted in the first place.I can't believe Chaos Marines gave us a new model for a minor Xenos races before Tau Aux desu.
>>739961946Because it's natural to want good to win in a story and nobody gives a fuck about the tabletop.
>>739986560do you know anyone that is a citizen of a military Junta? you could ask one of those buttfucked African nations how good it is to live there.the Incentives are not aligned with you living a long and happy life.
>>739989028>Because it's natural to want good to winYou just recently got a fuckton of memes about a show where people wanted the opposite.
wasn't his mind supposed to be in the warp? and wasn't he supposed to have no eyes?
>>739988994>chaos space marines working with xenoshow realistic is this anyways? sure they're traitor but the ones not getting mindraped by a chaos God still hold most of their beliefs when they where loyalists they just think the emperor is the man keeping them down but their disgust towards anything xenos is most likely still firmly lodged within them
>>739988994All the major non-human races in the setting are playing with haxx active, to make them capable of threatening the imperium. Humans are the main characters of the setting, and the good guys.
>>739967917We regularly have threads about those things too
>>739989212Not space marines, but the Blood Pact works with anyone and everyone
>>739958681Strong lesbian black women
>>739989212Red Corsairs specifically are a massive band of pirates, renegades and other outcasts where the only thing binding them together is wanting to pillage the Imperium. They're not as organized or as "principled" as some other traitor legions.
>>739989212>the Iron Warriors have utilized xenos in their auxillaries and warbands, though they remain fundamentally xenophobic and view these alliances as purely pragmatic.
>>739989212All things being equal there's probably a chaos equivalent to the agreement between the Swords of Ultramar and Iyanden.
>>739989084Tbf that's only bad because Africans are so fucking stupid. A smart military junta is basically a very good aristocracy.
>>739982061so basically at some point or another, a warp rift will take a dookie of skaven who made a warp gate miscalculation?
>>739988298That's omegon
>>739991076thats alpharius
>>739977759>it was a shithole nobody cared about despite being the human homeworld.What? No, it was still the core of human civilization during DAoT, even if not as centralized.
I'm still very unclear on if space marines can have sex, and if so, if they can have kids.
>>739991076>>739991346They're the same thing.
>>739991564doesn't matter they'd only sex the sisters with cute girl cocks
>>739991564They can but they are too autistic to bother
>>739987506GW is so butthurt over TTS for absolutely no reason, it'll never be Dorn.
>>739992523It's not for no reason, it's because it was ruining the reputation of their product. They have a legitimate grievance.
>>739988047Which is kinda weird, cuz I could've sworn that the Tau have fucked up Eldar worlds a bunch of times.
>>739958793Correct answer.
>>739988181On one hand, he could properly blame the one who did the worst thing imaginable to him.On the other hand, he could kill a bunch of furries.
>>739991564They can totally have sex. The kids thing is up in the air, cuz who the fuck wants to delve into geneseed autism.
>>739992523tts is dogshit for redditors made by trannies. gw was based for once by shutting that shit down
>>739992751they literally cannot
>>739993027They literally can have sex. They still have cock n balls but they've been hypo-conditioned into having no sex drive. Chaos Space Marines rape a lot especially Emperor's children and Nightlords. Which proves they still 'literally' can. Before his fall, Fulgrim has multiple wives and fucked a lot.
>>739987506I hope they all dieTired of fucking marvel super hero writing
>>739993209I hope they all come back. Just to specifically spite you. That'll be Grimdark, for you.
>>739992586There's almost always something weird going on when that happens, though. Like in the Battle of Ka'mais back in M39, during which the Tau just so happened to get their hands on some wraithguards and were fascinated by the tech, no doubt inspiring some of their future battlesuit designs. And then when that had happened, it was "discovered" that the initial raid that prompted the Tau counteroffensive was actually performed by the Drukhari, and the Tau left in apologies to the Eldar.It's almost like the whole thing was a setup for the Tau to discover the Wraithguards.
>>739959448Whoever decided he should have horn tit rondels really should be taken out the back and shot. Much like Magnus himself.
>>739958681The only group operating as a genuine meritocracy.
>>739993246>i want to make [thing] worse because it will make someone on the internet mad :)twitter really has done a number on zoomgroids
>>739994118>twitter>zoomgroidsRagebaiting is as old as time itself.
>>739991025Given that GW has been more flexible with the 40k and Fantasy lore in response to popular media than ever before -- Titus/Guilliman/Ultramar being the most notable example in their flagship astartes chapter actually moving the story forward for the first time in forever -- a lot is possible from a lore perspective. The Old Ones referenced in 40k are confirmed the same Old Ones in fantasy, and Skaven are in possession of artifacts that are clearly connected across realms. While there are other means of effective teleportation/fast travel in WHF, Skaven are also the only faction apart from Chaos in WHF that actively use warp transport - via gnawholes, Skitterleap, and the now canon Skittergates -- and their whole society basically revolves around fucking around with the warp in the most OSHA unapproved ways possible.That being said -- highly, highly improbable to be done in anything other than a cute easter egg because Orkfags are irrational. Space skaven would be fun -- reckless innovation as a coutnerpoint to the Tau. For now, I just think it's kind of neat from a lore perspective think that rats are also skulking around in the warp on their own business outside of the reach of the Astronomicon's light and underneath the attention of everyone else, very lore appropriate.
>>739991564>They can fuck?Yes they can, problem is the mental training and all the other shit removes the horny from the Astartes as a whole from his mind (maybe in 30k and Space Wolves but the dogs suck ass so who cares). Chaos Marines? For sure but most are into torture and killing not fucking and raping.>Kids?No. One of the biggest points of Space Marines is to make them infertile so they cant replace baseline humans.
>>739982561Something likehttps://haunted-ps1.fandom.com/wiki/The_Snow_of_Basidia
>>739994102A meritocracy of literal fucking retardsThey spend more time fighting each other, and the people who fight them know that. You can't best Khornefaggots, so just make them fight one another, and then they die out and stop being a problem.
>>739994434>The Old Ones referenced in 40k are confirmed the same Old Ones in fantasy, and Skaven are in possession of artifacts that are clearly connected across realmsI could be misremembering things but I recall GW saying that 40k is not the future of Fantasy.In essence they're more an alternate universe.To put in comic book terms one is regular DC universe and the other is Gotham by Gaslight DC universe.
>>739991564The Inquisition is the Empire's cancer.https://youtu.be/ipU6F4Q7tvQ?si=e9Tp0AIvSYqJPUuD
>>739994102Khorne is a hard one to pass onUpsides>meritocracy>fairness>purity>freedom>superstrength>sick armor>gnarliest axes>coolest battle cryDownsides>you're retardedlike lolretard or actually>actually retardedbut what if I just stop yelling for a sec->you're too retarded to think of that let alone do itFlip side>you're so retarded that it doesn't bother you
>>739958793Based
>>739987506No more loyalist Primarch returning. Girlyman suffering alone for everything is retarded and backwards is more fun.
>>739996119>Girlyman suffering aloneAnon, the Lion is back too.
>>739969770yoo is that cavill?
>>739996160Lion seems to be thriving in 40k since he's a combat focused Primarch. He's quite better off since politics, logistics and other human issue seems to be resolved by intimidation or bashing the guy and replacing him with the guy agrees with the Lion.
>>739996416He's also handling those other things by way of being the de facto highest Imperial authority in Imperium Nihilus, on top of his crusade of getting rid of the Fallen by redeeming them.
>>739958681Emprah.Anything else is fake and gay.
>>739968305TRVTH NVKE
>>739960635If you woke up and their was mold and mice running all over your house, would you be a bad guy for cleaning that shit up? No.Now you know how Necron feel.
>>739959407In what fucking universe is the IoM HFY?
>>739987731That was a good book. I member it cutting back to the world eaters ship as the dreadnaughts are tearing through walls killing indiscriminately
>>739958809It's a game/setting for kids. Nuance isn't their strong suite.
>>739958681>decided to buy darktide>game runs below 60fps>gameplay is super funbros i don't think i wanna refund it
>>739958681None. Even for all the factions you could see as the bad guys, you can come up with reasons for why they act that way outside of just being evil.Even for the Dark Eldar you could say that they are just trying to avoid having their souls eaten by Slaanesh, and there are not enough soul gems for all of them. Although I'd still say the Dark Eldar are the objectively most evil faction due to all the shit they do that would not be really necessary to achieve that goal.
>>739960029>>stormseers and rune priests are TOTALLY different, guysAren't they actually pretty different? IIRC, they are more strongly protected from the warp due to all the rituals they throw around it that serve as a layer of protection, compared to the Thousands Sons who even pre-fall just tapped into the warp no shits given.
>>739958681people who don't support Goyhammer and Goyshop
>>739968960Magnus is the one who has the least excuses, because Emps explicitly told him about the dangers of the warp again and again.He didn't put a name on the gods, but he warned him about dangerous entities more than once.
>>739958681Humanity/thread
>>739999731Including all the black, brown, and Indian people, right?
>>739999964there are no indians in the 41st millennium. All people of indian ancestry were the first to be made into servitors and psyker sacrifices for the emperor
>>740000073>implyingAnon, there's a literal planet of them dedicated to being the Imperium's tech support.
>>739999964He clearly said humanity.
>>740000073Let me guess, the hive city in Ethiopia is full of A10 Norwegians too?
>>739987731That Death Guard Dreadnought who hugged the Death Guard Captain as they both succumbed to the virus bombs.
>>739999964Unparriable nuke against 90% of HFYfaggotry that's just incel wehrabooism about a space Fourth Reich. They're just too much of a pussy to admit it.
>>740000141All Scandinavians were completely wiped out by the Emperor because they were too independent.https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Scandian
>>740000116>SAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE SCRAP CODE YOU BLOODY BENCHOD!
>>740000169Which book?
>>740000331YOU REDEEMED THE STC IN YOUR OWN FUCKING ACCOUNT
>>739960428No T'au'va?
>>739994795Lmao
>>739958681The iconoclast rogue trader
>>739959564Emperor should have realized that Magnus would never do something so retarded without good reason. He should have heeded his warning and sent literally any other legion to arrest him
>>739958681The paypiggies. Just buy the [product] and you're good boy, piggie.
>>739958681Chaos
>>739966102An all around shit opinion from an HHfag and an Erebus hater
>>739958681Red corsairs because taxation is theft/thread
>>740001637slop
>>740000379The Flight of the Eisenstein, it was more from the perspective of the Death Guard at Istvaan 3 rather than Emp Children or Lunar Wolves.
>>740001482You wouldn't get it because you're a Chaos Fag.
>>739958681Meme answer There are no good guys. In the grim dark future there's only war.Real answer probably the Tau
>>740001637theft you say?
>>739958681The Imperium. Aliens are incapable of being good and Chaos worships actual daemons. Everything the Imperium does is inherently justified as it's for the survival of humanity. Only faggots and retards can't understand this.
>>740003186Medium quality larp
>>740003186
The super straight white males.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIei9eGtZGcRats are gooder though.
>>740003252>Faction has literal angels and Saints fighting against unholy monsters>"Erm, akshully they're evil"Grow up.
>>739968153They know (You) can't handle female Custodes and Astartes and are glad that you're leaving the hobby.
>>740003963>literal angelsYou mean emp's warp demons thoughever E himself is righteous but his shit hole empire isn't
>>739958681Realistically, the only good guys are the normal people living in some simple feudal town farmland on Planet Bumfucknowhere that have never heard of the warp, somehow have been lucky enough to avoid conflict, and are just trying to rear their space goats in peace.
>>740000223True
I want the necron to win>made it their personal goal to seal the warp from material plane forever, because old ones fucked up>have the means to achieve that too>some nemesors are willing to send warnings for adversaries to withdraw before the slaughter, some would spare the living too because they longed to become flesh again>interactions between the named necrons like trazyn and orikan can be fun, even non-canon such as amarkhun and zaa being bro was good>so technologically superior it's not even funny, personal weapon somehow can destroy imperator titan (tachyon arrow)>hard counter the biggest threat to the galaxy : tyranids>if the necron won they'd just walk around chilling or going back to sleep (too much trouble fighting among each others, the body can be reconstructed but the mind engram is lost forever)>it's been like 60 million years let them win something
>>739958809GW themselves wanted to make the Tau the good guys at one point because they didn't want the main guys to be a bunch of space nazis. After the Tau failed to get over with anyone, they've further balkanized the Imperium armies and muddied some of their objectively evil traits.
>>739960023Kino
>>739959448TrvkeIf you read their books pre-fall they were actually the most humane legion on par with Salamanders, while furry subhumans were WE-tier retarded savages only without the excuse of Butcher's Nails. TS' fall into damnation(through no fault of their own) is the biggest tragedy of 40k.
>>739960483>everyone, regardless of caste, can pursue whatever they want and to their passion/desireGee I wonder if this can ever backfire horribly in 40k universe.
>>739981696So what is the truth of the Warp?
>>740005773That everyone is going to Hell no matter what because aliens are fucking stupid and ruined everything for everyone.
>>740005953wtf i hate eldars (even more) now
>>740005953>no matter whatHow does the emperor save people from this? he keeps bringing people back from the dead, does he go rescue their souls in hell?
Chaos are the good guys because they're not hypocrites and are just created by intelligent life to begin with, so humanity and all other sentient life intended chaos into exsistence, and the god emperor is a hypocrite anti social faggot who fucked things up so bad his own sons told him to fuck off and joined up with chaos which shows you how bad he was, dude could see future time events and still fucked up and he's an ass anyways since he's so pragmatic it turned him into a douche plus he should know humanity's evil and creates chaos and will never stop creating chaos because humanity is retarded and could never have emotional control so chaos will always exsist, but chaos is evil and loves being evil so you have to like them for their honesty and unapologetic evil, humanity suck in comparison with their gay religious hypocrisy and tranny delusion of being good when the imperium is worse than chaos in every way, corpse starch,. Services ect, imperium is brutal compared to chaos. Chaos and the orks are the good guys because they're evil or murderous and don't give you a long speech to justify their evil or pillaging, they're just having fun, same with tyrannids cause they're just mindless thing monsters who have no other nature. Not like the religious retard douches that is the imperium and everyone else. Maybe necrons are on this list as well dunno possible dark eldar toAnyways imperium or the bad guys hands down
>>739960023Lenses on his helmet are too small for my tastes.
>>739958681Imperium>b-but it's heckin opressive and faschistIt's still on humanity's side while literally every other faction would exterminate or enslave it given the chance
>>740006369>How does the emperor save people from thisHe can't, not after the Heresy. His original goal was to remove Humanity's ties to the Warp so that they could live (and die) in peace without the predations of the Chaos Gods. The Chaos Gods ruined this and now the Emperor's only focus is to protect Humanity going forward and hope they can reach a new solution.
>>740006434>they're not hypocrites and are just created by intelligent life to begin withThe same can be said about Eldar, Humans, Orks. All were created by intelligent life(Old Ones).
>>740006369>How does the emperor save people from this?People that believe in the Emperor in their dying moments actually get sucked up by him not the chaos gods. Dosen't really matter because only Psykers experience a afterlife. Normal humans just turn into ambient warp energy.
Aren't there good eldar that just fucked off because they knew the constant orgies were going to destroy everything?
>>739959085The Imperium are the bad guys, via word of god, just saying. It's also why Chaos and Skaven won and Dark Elves were always correct in what was Warhammer Fantasy.
>>740006681Retard, he quite literally does fly down to hell to save guilliman.
>>740006789No, those were cowards who opted to run away from the issue rather than actually fight it. The surviving Eldar know this and use various copes to try and justify it, but at the end of the day they all know that it's their fault and that they should be dead.
>>740006692Yes but chaos are literally the shadow or Tulpa of intelligent life, they're the mirror or reflection or your darkest desires and mindset, so thats why chaos is different, in order to condemn them you have to condemn yourself since they're literally created by your intent and thoughts, chaos are the good guys because they're purer than hypocritical humans or sentient life. They don't lie about their nature like all other sentient life in warhammer, and orks are good boys
>>740006789Craftworld eldar are descendants of eldar that were already apart from the general poulace even at that time. They don't really represent their old culture.
>>740006876He revives Guilliman's body and is able to do so because Primarch souls were made in part with Warp sorcery, making them immortal within the Warp as pseudo-Daemonic entities.He can literally only do that for Primarchs, even Celestine's process is finite and torturous.
>>740007039>he can literally only do that for primarchs>and you know, celestine with some difficultyand also yarrick nowand this entire order of sisters for some reasonemps is growing stronger bwo
>>740003186>Everything the Imperium does is inherently justified as it's for the survival of humanityImperium probably contributed more to the cause of the destruction of humanity than literally everyone else, including Chaos Gods. Even assuming the goals of the Imperium as the best for the survival, if the system wasn't completely fucked with the back, front and self-stabbing assholes at all levels undermining every and all great hero, all xenos would've been wiped out thousands of years ago.
>>740007332Yarrick was never dead in the first place, just wounded.
>>740007374his head was exploded
>>740007369>Imperium probably contributed more to the cause of the destruction of humanity than literally everyone elseRetard, the Eldar literally made the Chaos Gods.
>>740007425A single one, and all four of them wouldn't be a problem if the Imperium actually worked for the survival of humanity first of all, instead of power, glory and wealth of the nobles/bureaucrats/generals/priests of both faiths.
>>740007403His head being taken trophy was never canon.But he WAS dead, at least mortally wounded, and saved somehow, could be some miracle of medical tech but probably the Emperor there is no definitive answer.
Magnus indeed did nothing wrong. He was supposed to do nothing and he did it wrong.
>>739958809most people are decent and well-meaning, and don't want to play a villainous scumbag
>>740006789Craftworld Eldar were already a thing before the fall and their society got more rigid. There's also exodites which are like Eldar Amish riding dinosaurs and shit.
>>740006672>Imperium>on humanity's sideSomebody didn't read the fluff.
I’m a big fan of legions who suffer. Lamenters, White Consuls, Celestial Lions. Good shit.
>>739959307>sons
>>739960023That looks so low effort.Not that I'm surprised because Eldar.
>>740008724 Thousands of them.
>>740006789Yeah. Retarded imperiumfaggots try to blame the Craftworlders for Slaanesh when in truth they were the ones who were telling everyone who would listen that shit was going bad, and finally fucked off when it became apparent that there was nothing they could do to stop the impending doom of their civilization.
>>739959243>reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee stop having fun!!! reeeeeeeeeeeeee
aren't there literally a million+ worlds under Imperium control? Why can't one of them be a peaceful world with no issues?Seems like the writers are just creatively bankrupt
>>740008984>the same fucking "haha face le wall" meme for the trillionth time is having fun
>Guilliman wakes up>Khorne berserker just says fuck it and charges at himBASED BASED BASED
>>740009007There are peaceful worlds but they arent relevant until they stop being peaceful. Everything gets consumed by war or gets consumed by the imperium fueling their war machine
I really hate the warhammer/WoW/Darksiders trend of massive bulky armor with fuckhuge pauldrons. Just seems so childish and lame
>>740009007They changed it from an RPG/tabletop setting with some lore for you to set your own stories in, to a Marvel/Star Wars abortion with a plotline and at best 30 characters that matter in a galaxy with maybe 20 locations. And it sucks.
>>739958681Me, I am the good guy.
>>740009273ahh so they've been infested with wokeshit too? Shame...
>>740009007Come home, Son of the Emperor.
>>740009312How the fuck did you conclude this from my post
>>739988813I think it sort of makes some sense in-universe. You never see any xenos that don't have some natural resistance to chaos because they've all gone extinct already before they had a chance to become a major power.
>>740009360>Marvel/Star Wars abortion???
>>739958681Nurgle
>>739965486There are dozens of human factions thoughNot just the imperium and all the chaos cults, there are multiple sects of each especially within the inquisition, like the ones that want to assasinate the corpse on the golden throne so the emperor's soul can reincarnate vs the ones that want to do a mass sacrifice of all his biological children all at once which would hopefully give him enough of a jolt to wake up and then the ones who serve only the high lords and do not want him coming back at all
>>739966102I want Cavil's 40k show to start with the great crusade and by end of season 1 is just before HH kicks offSeason 2 is the start of the Heresy and ends with the dropsite massacre
>>740009867>Cavil's 40k showthis shit is never coming out, its a moneylaundering scheme
>>740009983It will come out, each episode will cost tens of millions of dollars, and they will look like shit
>>740009007Most of them literally areA tiny fraction of the entire imperium is at war at any given time, its actually all propaganda to get more meat for the grinder if everyone thinks their planet is just weeks away from an ork waaghh! or drukhari raidersBut then again you have hive gangs with populations the same as your average European country going to war with each other in most hive cities
>>740009983It's taking time because he's guarding the lore.
>>740009983Amazon made everyone sign NDAs, this has been confirmed by Cavill himself in an interview
>>740008883Craftworlders are a bunch of Johnny-Come-Latelies who only began to understand what was going on when things were literally on fire. They were so late some Craftworlds didn't even manage to make it out as they were escaping. The Exodites were the real ones who understood that the hedonistic revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the eldar race.
>>740010363Wrong the Craftworlds were living separate from the main body of the Eldar empire for millennia before the fall. The only reason there is so many elves at all is because the Craftworlds made a last trip to the Crone Worlds to pick up anyone that wanted to escape.
>>740010165>A tiny fraction of the entire imperium is at war at any given timeThis is only somewhat true. The vast majority of the Imperium is always at some level of conflict. Whether this is internecine fighting, dealing with local Orks, quelling cultists, dealing with native Xenos or any number of other issues, there is only war.
whats it like being an ork?whats a quentessential orky thought?
>>740010363You are just wrong.As>>740010652 explained the reason why some craftworlds were caught in the eye of terror was because they were trying to save the Eldar still sane enough to flee from the core worlds right up to the last proverbial minute. The culture and society of the craftworlders was separate from the hedonism that led to slaanesh and rejected that path. The only living eldar who on some level are to blame for Slaanesh are the dark eldar who are essentially a surviving remnant/splinter/evolution of the pleasure cults and aristocrats of the prey fall eldar who only stuck around by the caveat of the webway protecting them from being immediately devoured by slaanesh at the moment of his birth
>>740011296FightanShootanGoin' FASTOccaisonally having enough brain power to kill your boss and take his place but forgetting there are bigger boys than you
>>740009007pretty much what >>740010165 saidsome worlds can thousands of years without any trouble, no xenos attacks, no chaos or chaos cults, nothingand some worlds have never known such threats
>>739988663>Grey morality is mentally ill cope from liberal faggots.Ever read the Iliad? It's all grey. Tolkien is a faggot and i'm sick of Tolkien fags and their gay fantasy for children and mentally ill cripple
