GOOD MORNING WHITERUN
Morrowind better
Oblivion better
>Kikebride's self insert is an insane preacher
>>739973150Why did people hate him again? He was based and everything he said was true.
Daggerfall better
Talos the mighty! Talos the unerring! Talos the unassailable! To you we give praise! We are but maggots, writhing in the filth of our own corruption! While you have ascended from the dung of mortality, and now walk among the stars! But you were once man! Aye! And as man, you said, “Let me show you the power of Talos Stormcrown, born of the North, where my breath is long winter. I breathe now, in royalty,and reshape this land which is mine. I do this for you, Red Legions, for I love you.”Aye, love. Love! Even as man, great Talos cherished us. For he saw in us, in each of us, the future of Skyrim! The future of Tamriel! And there it is, friends! The ugly truth!We are the children of man! Talos is the true god of man! Ascended from flesh, to rule the realm of spirit! The very idea is inconceivable to our Elven overlords! Sharing the heavens with us? With man? Ha! They can barely tolerate our presence on earth! Today, they take away your faith. But what of tomorrow? What then? Do the elves take your homes? Your businesses? Your children? Your very lives?And what does the Empire do? Nothing! Nay, worse than nothing! The Imperial machine enforces the will of the Thalmor! Against its own people! So rise up! Rise up, children of the Empire! Rise up, Stormcloaks! Embrace the word of mighty Talos, he who is both man and Divine! For we are the children of man! And we shall inherit both the heavens and the earth! And we, not the Elves or their toadies, will rule Skyrim! Forever! Terrible and powerful Talos! We, your unworthy servants, give praise! For only through your grace and benevolence may we truly reach enlightenment! And deserve our praise you do, for we are one! Ere you ascended and the Eight became Nine, you walked among us, great Talos, not as god, but as man! Trust in me, Whiterun! Trust in the words of Heimskr! For I am the chosen of Talos!I alone have been anointed by the Ninth to spread his holy word!
>>739973319Because people don't like being forced to notice things.
>>739973319Talos is an allegory for Jesus. The Aldmeri are (((them))). Both sides are shit.
>>739973150>that part where he goes on a racist tirade about dark elves and redguards, even saying stuff like “they’re ALL thieving bootlipped motherfuckers!” wtf that was out of left field
What I would like to know is why would the emperor agree to the restriction in worshiping Talos?He is key to the empire's existence, to rescind Talos is the same as rescinding the empire itself.
>>739973532starfield essentially has space christians, space protestants/orthodox(?) and literal space muslims (the va’ruun) with one of the DLCs’ stories literally being “look they’re just a strange foreign culture and they also have extremist zealots”
>>7399736151. cuz they got their ass beat by the thalmor and the victor is free to enforce whatever demands they want on the loser2. the septim dynasty ended in oblivion, the current imperial dynasty probably doesn't feel much connection to talos
>>739973615Because in practice everyone was still worshipping Talos. They didn't start cracking down on them until after the Storomcloak rebellion started.
>>739973319He's annoying.That part of Whiterun would be nice to relax in if it weren't for his yelling.
>>739973615Because the Empire is a shell of its former self and has abandoned its roots. Also it doesn't even have the same bloodline ruling it anymore. The current rulers didn't give a shit about the implications of outlawing Talos worship, they just wanted the war to be over so they could get back to just stagnating instead of actively crumbling.
Battlespire better.
What happens if you kill him?
>>739973150>BREATHE NOW!>EMBRACE THE POWERFUL TACOS!
>>739973854Probably nothing but if you side with the Stormcloaks his house gets destroyed by a giant rock from a Stormcloak catapult which makes me think Bethesda was probably trying to paint the Stormcloaks as hypocrites>they claim to fight for the home of Nords and Talos but they literally destroy a Nord Talos worshipper's houseOr some bullshit like that.
>>739973720But they didn't though, the Empire was winning and turning the war around after getting blitzkrieged in the initial surprise attack and on the verge of complete victory.With redguards ready to push into Domonion land but the emperor not only snatched a draw out of the jaws of victory, he gave back land that they had won back as part of the peace treaty.Talos is basically the spiritual backbone of the Empire.
>>739974063>Or some bullshit like that.
AND THERE IT IS FRIENDSTHEUGLYTRUTH
>>739974147Considering they kill the Thalmor in Markarth if they take the city this is probably an oversight or a result of them not having enough time. Either way "the Stormcloaks secretly support the Thalmor" is a retarded argument because the Imperials OPENLY support the Thalmor.
>>739973615To bide time because men will recover faster than elvesEveryone still loves and worships Talos, they just don't make massive political events over it to keep the ceasefire while they prepare the armies for war againThat's why there's one understrength legion dealing with Skyrim and all the rest are about to go to war with the elves
>>739974313It's because the main quest requires you to go to the embassy and they were too lazy to write an alterative for if you'd finished the civil war with the Stormcloaks. It doesn't mean anything lore wise, even if retards desperately try to pretend it does.
>>739973848god damn the Nords in this game are hot
>>739973796Most of the Septims were terrible emperors and Mede is a god damn war hero
>>739974147Because killing the Thalmor does nothing for taking control of Skyrim.
>>739973848is that the one with the daedra loli
>>739973150I LOVE MOIST TOWELETTES
>>739974138>complete victoryThey were pushing the elves off their home turf, they had no capability to push the war back to them>redguards ready to push into dominion landNo they weren't, they got bailed out by legion forces that went """""AWOL"""""" and most of Hammerfell was still absolutely fuckedMan had no idea how bad the elves position was, only that they'd managed to claw back from total victory and had a chance for respite
>>739973150>rise up, RIIIIIIISE into the ass of elves!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjowXhOn4cE
>>739974313That theory is for utter brainless retardsThe truth in the matter is the Thalmor support the stormcloaks (like trying to stop Ulfric getting ACKd at the start) because it weakens the Empire who are their actual enemy. The Empire does not like the AD, they are only allowed in Skyrim to keep the treaty a while longer because Ulfric had to make a massive open thing about being able to worship Talos even though everyone was already doing that and the Elves had no casus belli that the treaty wasn't being enforcedDid anyone actually play the damn game?
>>739974771This is like when people deny that Trump is a Russian asset. Language is too confusing for them.
>>739974147Why would they start a war with the Dominion while already fighting a war with the empire
>>739974439>To bide timeThis is the stupidest and most ignorant cope Empirecucks love to throw around.
>>739974846People confuse what an asset in the world of intelligence agencies and global politics means compared to an active agentOne does not have to be pro something to be an asset for them>>739974906The fuck are you on about retard? Ceasefires to rearm, resupply and move around assets for the next fight are common as fuck. Maybe actually bring an argument you historically illiterate retard
>>739974771Again, if the Stormcloaks are being unknowingly puppeted by the Thalmor that's still better than the Imperials who are knowingly being puppeted by the Thalmor.
>>739974771It all goes back to brown retard not knowing what an “asset” is in geopolitics and intelligence. Hint hint, it does not mean someone is working with youc for you, or has any of the same interests at all.People are so fucking stupid they take it as canon that ulfric is a thalmor agent because they said he was a useful idiot causing division and strife in Skyrim
>>739975217Neither side is being puppeted you retard, one is waging a civil war against the other out of delusions and weakening it while its prepping for another massive war against the elvesThat's why there's fuck all legion assets actually in Skyrim, the rest are all in Cyrodiil ready for the next fightJust admit you've been hoodwinked into 5th columnist positions, you probably do it irl too
>>739975276Im brown and told anons what an asset was in intelligence terms 15 years ago. You're a nigger. You don't fit in.
>>739975217They are not puppets in any way. When Jesus was alive you could say he was a useful asset to the Persians because he was causing social upheaval in the Roman Empire. This does not mean he is a puppet to the Persians or has any relation at all with them.
>>739975009I'm on about you empirecucks being ignorant of the Great War. The Empire had ample time to prepare for a suspected Thalmor invasion after they lost Valenwood. Instead they did nothing, the Blades were wiped out, they surrender Hammerfell to the Thalmor. How stupid does one have to be to think that an even weaker Empire, who also has the Thalmor involved in their governments, can put up an actual fight all of a sudden?
>>739975276Pretty much, although you can throw them a bone because iirc the letter does mention something about him becoming unresponsive or something? Which implies actual open direct contact, but if that was just when they were fireballing his cock as a prisoner to get him to confess during the war I'm not sure
>>739975346The Empire are allied with the Thalmor. The Stormcloaks are not. I do not want to be allied to the Thalmor, so I side with the Stormcloaks. It's that simple.
>15 years later, the worst, least fleshed out and least significant questline in skyrim is still the main point of contention Over time, I've come to realize, gamers are retarded.
>>739975370How stupid are you to think people are omnipotent and that fog of war isn't a very real thing?Also guess what, the Elves recover significantly slower than mankind, so even with its losses the decades that pass let man recover a hell of a lot faster than elves doAre you actually stupid?
I never bother with the war
>>739975480No, the Empire is not allied to the Thalmor. The Thalmor are in Skyrim because of Ulfric causing the Markarth incident even though everyone was already worshipping Talos fine. It showed the AD that the Empire was openly violating the treatyHow do you accept that the Thalmor were at the execution trying to get Ulfrics head off the block?
>>739975009>People confuse what an asset in the world of intelligence agencies and global politics means compared to an active agent>One does not have to be pro something to be an asset for themYeah, you just have to know which levers to pull. The best kind of plan is the kind of plan that relies on people doing what they would naturally do in a given situation.
>>739975614I think it's funny when my nord companion starts yelling xenophobic phrases at enemies during battle while I'm a fucking argonian or something
>>739975637>No, the Empire is not allied to the Thalmor.lmao the mental gymnastics are insane
>>739975676One only had to study the cold war for 30 seconds to understand the concept, amazingly that's too much for most>>739975727Do you have any conception of what an ally actually is? Ulfric, Jarl of some shithole city in Skyrim can not dictate to the Empire when he should start his war and burn the peace treaty. He made the AD aware that the treaty was openly being violated (even though it was never enforced anyway) out of pride which meant the empire even started it up on his whim, or allowed them into SkyrimThe idiot did it himself, which is probably why he's still considered an asset
>>739975559This has nothing to do with omnipotence or fog of war retard. The Empire tried to stop the Thalmor from taking Valenwood and failed. Anyone with a brain would start preparing for a potential war when a rival faction openly usurps your territory. Fast recovery doesn't really matter when elves have the magical advantage and espionage. Empiretards love to forget that their cucks have no problem taking elven gold.
>glitches under ground so i can loot the blacksmith chestwhat you going to do nord boy
>>739973198>>739973223Modded Skyrim > Modded Morrowind >Vanilla Morrowind > Modded Oblivion >Vanilla Skyrim >Vanilla Oblivion
>>739976020Then they tried to stop them taking Cyrodiil and succeeded, and despite bloody fighting over the entire continent managed to destroy much of the elven forces and got rid of some of their main advantages. Yes, fast recovery does matter when it takes significantly longer for your enemies to do so, and if those advantages were so vital why didn't the AD win outright when their assets were at their strongest? Your other rambling is just autistic tamr/int/Why do you think a poor province causing a civil war and killing more men (who we know are prepping for war 2.0) is a good thing?
>>739974063his house is destroyed regardless IIRCand if you side with the imperials he's supposed to be imprisoned, but the game is buggy about it
>>739973150just finished Enderal best standalone mod ive played of this shit game
>>739976267They did not succeed you fucking ignorant retard. The Thalmor took the Imperial City, which is why the Emperor surrendered and signed the White-Gold Concordant. I don't know why you're trying to argue with me when you don't even know such basic lore.The AD weren't trying to destroy man in one fell swoop you retard, they wanted access to the Towers, which they got upon their victory.
>>739976682>battle of the red ringYou're an absolute fucking spastic I hope the irony of your post is not lost on you
>>739976661>Skyrim Gameplay without the actual TES world building and lore that makes it bearable and good.
>>739976661>best standalone mod ive played of this shit gameNah, not even close. Vicn's mods blow it the fuck out of the water.
>>739976850You might honestly be too stupid to hold a conversation with. I need you to think for two seconds, what was the objective at the battle of the red ring?
>>739977058Oh maybe it was the retaking of the Imperial city, the slaughter of the AD forces there and the subsequent removal of the AD from CyrodiilStupid cunt
>>739977110Right, you dumb shit ,the "retaking of the Imperial City", and why did they have to retake it? Because they fucking LOST it you stupid fucking dog, how are you this fucking dumb? Holy shit, it beggars belief that you're capable of stringing together two sentences with such a tiny brain.
>>739977303What the fuck does having temporarily lost it have to do with the AD being beaten back out of Cyrodiil you utter mouth breathing mongoloid faggot?Do you even know what you are arguing?>>Then they tried to stop them taking Cyrodiil and succeeded>They did not succeed you fucking ignorant retard. The Thalmor took the Imperial CityYou are incredibly fucking stupid, and can't even remember what the fuck retarded pointless idea you're trying to cook up is for 30 secondsKill yourself
Why does everyone care about this doomer plotline? Thalmor remain at significant advantage because the war happened at all, not because of who you won it for.
>>739973319I love him and he speaks the truth about Talos and Man. I get a mod that lets Balgruuf side with the Stormcloaks and keeps Heimskr around too.
Aranea is a based follower
>>739977560And wife.
>>739977418Because they weren't beaten out of Cyrodil you fucking retard. The Empire had to screw over their own soldiers just to get enough manpower to retake the Imperial City. Which led to the Empire surrendering almost immediately afterwards, you worthless cretin.
>>739975907How does any of that mindless drivel change the fact that the Empire are allied with the Thalmor and the Stormcloaks aren't?
>>739973319Because people in 2011 were hecking jerks and atheism was popular so they though preacher guy = bad
>>739973319He's based he's just kind of annoying>FOR I LOOOOOOOVE YOU!
>>739977695They didn't surrender you fucking spastic, nor did they screw over their own soldiers. In fact a general let men go fight on in Hammerfell rather than force them to go fight in CyrodiilYes, killing the enemies armies and driving them out, then negotiating a treaty that gets your enemy out of your land is called driving out your enemy you utter cock sucking low IQ half wit cunt, you are a utter subhuman retard it's incredibly you even understand how to access the Internet, and the day you die the average IQ of planet earth will increase. That'll be a good day
>>739977937They surrendered you fucking retard, which is why they had to sign the White-Gold Concordant. Yeah, the general let them go fight in Hammerfell because that what they were originally meant to do, not turn around and retake the Imperial City. They lost, there was no negotiation, because the Treaty was nearly identical to the one the AD presented them prior to the war. They disbanded the Blades, gave away Hammerfell and outlawed Talos worship. I don't where your dumb ass is getting the idea that they AD were kicked out of Cyrodil, because the treaty gave them authority to roam Empire lands to make sure the conditions were actually enforced. You are such a lowbrow moron, common sense is no doubt beyond you.
>>739973720In hindsight, Dagon pulled a galaxy brained 5D chess move by causing the Oblivion crisis:>give Dagon all of Nirnor>permanently end the Septum dynasty Obviously the first demand is unreasonable, which then makes the second appealing, but by using the Amulet of Kings to repel Dagon & end the dynasty.. Dagon still got everything he wanted by causing everlasting, monumental change that Tamriel is still forced to recon with even hundreds of years later.
>>739974620Yes, after the elves launched their surprise attack they were about to completely push them off all land their land because the elves were after their initial sucker punch were losing badly and losing ground, that's when the peace treaty was signed.That treaty also gave away land the redgaurds had won back and wanted to push into thalmor lands to punish them hard, when the treaty was signed so of course they pulled out of the empire when the emperor sold them out like that and stopped all momentum for a win.As for the legion there were no direct support from them after the war, it did imply that there was some indirect help but no forces going awol to help.But what is the point of helping them after you tried selling them out?The only reason the Dominion gained so much ground is because the Blades all failed and got killed, leaving the empire completely off guard when the surprise attack happened.Every Blade agent in Sommerset got caught, had their head cut off and sent to the emperor when they demanded terms that he refused, all those demands were fulfilled by the treaty.The elves were losing the war and the emperor basically gave them everything they demanded prior to launching the sneak attack making the whole war a waste for the empire when he signed the treaty, it was just as bad if he had just given in to their demands initially since he did not punish them for everything they did.The old empire would have utterly crushed them for what they did.
>>739973150The Imperials want to kidnap this man and sell him piece by piece to their Altmer overlords
>>739976982send a link
>>739973532Talos is fucking Thor.
>the Imperials are ICE>the Nords are racists who hate refugeesWho am I, a liberal leftwing feminist (male) with he/they pronouns, meant to support?
>>739979793https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/135682https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11894https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/33146https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/11896
>>739980001>soulslop asset dump modderlol
https://vocaroo.com/19wmLi0crAul
>>739973150Skyrim belongs to the Empire because all of Tamriel belongs to Imperials
Praise Talos.
>>739981604The empire wouldn't even exist without Nords carrying their military
>>739981604...and historically, the Imperials belong to the Bretons.
>>739976982>some random jeet-tier quest mods are in any way comparable to a 150+ hour free game with like 30 VAsunironically kill yourself
I like the Inigo mod
>>739983195Iniggo
>>739979436The old empire was only able to conquer Summerset because Tiber Septum cheated by using the Numidium. It’s part of why the elves hate the empire so much to begin with, and for most Thalmor this event is still a living memory for them.
>>739979880You’re supposed to interpret the game through its own world & immerse yourself in it instead of interpreting it through the lens of modern day politics that have no relevancy on a fantasy world. First time playing I played as a Khajiit who sided with storm cloaks because skooma is illegal under the Empire. Less empire = more skooma
>>739983386and the Thalmor are using Vaermina's Orb as a global all-seeing spy satellite
>>739974846You spelled Israeli wrong
>>739975637>because of Ulfric causing the Markarth incidentJust gonna ignore how it was the Jarl who requested Ulfric's aid in the first place and promised free Talos worship in exchange? Both sides are equally responsible here. You can certainly argue that the whole situation was a dumb mistake that the AD then exploited, but pinning it all on Ulfric chimping out is disingenuous. The Jarl was the one who took the deal to begin with, and Ulfric demanding that they honor the deal before letting them back into Markarth isn't unreasonable.
AYO WHERE THE ARGONIAN WOMEN AT?
I can't believe Jeremy Soule won't be conducting for TES VI, his work was the real heart of Bethesda's games to me. Despite all the bugs, all the shit writing, the mediocre gameplay, I could always turn to Soule's music and walk away with nothing but raw appreciation and a moved soul.https://youtu.be/_34gUVqLkAo
Oh, there once was a hero named Ragnar the RedWho came riding to Whiterun from ole Rorikstead
>>739973615Because the empire betrayed itself and is LITERALLY illegitimate dumbass
>>739983386>cheatedWhat? How would you consider that cheating by using a weapon at your disposal?
>>739973615>He is key to the empire's existence, to rescind Talos is the same as rescinding the empire itself.Because the Empire needs times to recover. According to the Empire.>nevermind an entire generation of imperial children grew up on the idea Talos was a man and not a god>nevermind Imperial citizens now say "By the Eight" as naturally as breathing>nevermind that the Imperial aligned Jarls are happily in Thalmor's pockets and openly attend their parties>nevermind that Thalmor can openly intercede and participate in the Empire's affairs>nevermind that members of the High Queen's court do a lot of businesses with the Thalmors>nevermind that by the time the Empire 'recovered', the majority of Imperial soldiers won't even remember Talos was worshiped as a god once upon a timeThe Empire is definitely going to fight the Thalmor one day. Trust the plan.
>>739985535pretty much everyone involved in making the previous games good is gone, as has all resistance to ESO fanfic and microtransaction blurbs being "canon" (as in, referenced on UESP)
>>739986098It’s an asspull akin to America nuking Japan to end WW2. Talos didn’t fight the Altmer, he just rewrote reality to put himself in charge of Summerset. It was physically impossible for his armies to win in actual fight.
>>739986209Just two more weeks bro
