just stop playing them then
WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE???
>>739978287If you want a good MetroidVania, play The Amazing Spider-Man 2 on Game Boy.
I wouldn't be surprised if there were a few amazing ones that simply got lost in the sea of slop.
>>739978287Grime 2 is great. Never heard of the other ones.
>>739978494Sound advice, but that would involve OP and every other belly aching fag on this site to release the enormous chip.on their shoulder that comprises 90% of their identity
>>739978287I don't. Constance is a great game.
>>739978287Well it makes sense since metroidvanias are to indies what open world is to AAA gamesEssentially copy pasted and done to death
>>739978287Metroidvanias should tell us the amount of rooms they have as a dick measuring contest.
At this point, the only indievanias worth playing are the ones that look the most appealing to you. It kind of doesn't matter past that.
I just want them to have rich playstyle customization like Dawn of Sorrow did. Even Bloodstained, a carbon copy of DoS's mechanics on a technical level, failed to have a good enough variety of actually decent options compared to the cookie cutter best progression.
I wish more games would use the old episode-based structure of DOS games.Instead of a Metroidvania, a game with 5–6 well-polished linear levels, and to address the "problem" that the game might become repetitive, it would be enough to create 3 or 4 different episodes, each with its own theme and 5 or 6 new levels.
If I made an indievania, would you skip it and call it slop...
>>739979321Millennials are pretty much the boomers of video games, grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth and became the worst kinds of consumers imaginable
luv me mazes
Metroidvanias are the hardest genre to pull off why did every soulless indie dev jump onto the genre?
play Zexion
>>739978287I have "I have [thing] fatigue" fatigue.
>>739978287what's wrong with videogames existing? maybe you should just go live in a cabin in the woods with no electricity and no outside contact with the world if other people making things bothers you so much
>>739980840>Metroidvanias are the hardest genre to pull offIt's literally a melting pot of concepts, just do all of the gameplay and stitch it together.
>>739980840no they are not retarded tranny. they are the easiest genre to do. that's why there are so many of them
literally one of those came out this yearwhat do you mean fatigure, you retard? they arent making these kinds of games anymore because balatro clones take 1/8th of the time and despite being 90x more oversaturated, people still keep buying them (gambling addicts)
>>739980929>>739981397The genre is so easy to pull off that the overwhelming majority of metroidvanias are total ass and the good ones can be counted on two hands
>>739981621The GREAT ones can be counted on two hands. The ones that are good enough to kill some time and look pretty while doing it are nigh innumerable. It's a reliably decent formula where the biggest actual problem with it is oversaturation.
>>739981621every genre is like that except they are not as popular and easy to make as metroidvanias
>>739981716Oversaturation should have killed this one...
>>739982357Lost Ruins is actually halfway interesting in how it is deliberately slower paced. I do wish it were better overall but its emphasis on traps, status effects and spacing aren't tired ideas in the context of a metroidvania. This one tried something a little different.
>>739980929Then main crux is that the label "metroidvania" has become so genericized that literally any non-linear platformer gets it now.It should literally only be used for games either directly related to or directly inspired from Castlevania: Symphony of the Night and should share a majority of the gameplay elements.That also means no, Metroid games are NOT "metroidvanias". That's like calling a sedan an SUV.
>>739982718"Numbers go up" isn't a good enough reason to call something a separate genre.
>>739982790Yes it is.The RPG elements are a critical part of the gameplay and therefore one of the defining aspects of the label.
>>739982718You'd inevitably call them some form of "Action Adventure" (as all people espousing genre prescriptive end up doing as a catch-all) and you'd run into the same problem from similarly thinking boomers saying realtime gameplay immediately precludes anything from similarity with Colossal Cave Adventure.
>>739979360Looks gay and it's probably too easy
>>739983073>Action AdventurePersonally, I think that tag applies distinctly well to Metroidvanias. Also classic survival horrors, while we're at it. That said, I'm thinking of the term as its namesake implies and not the homogenized catch-all blob it's come to represent in the 21st century, like I see nothing wrong with referring to both Super Metroid and Symphony of the Night as such. Certainly more so than something like, I dunno, The Last of Us. I feel like that's where a genre term like action adventure loses the plot.
>>739981716>the great indie metroidvania games can be counted on 2 handsUnironically name 10
>>739982357This game is complete shit and easily the worst "Metroidvania" I have ever played.
>>739983436Rabi-RibiTouhou Luna NightsAstalon: Tears of the EarthJackie Ch-FUCK
>>739983718I finished Lost Ruins. I dropped Blasphemous in about 2 hours. I will definitely take Lost Ruins over that one.
>>739978494How am I supposed to pretend that indie games are bad if I only play the good ones that I know that I'll enjoy?
>>739980840you can reuse levels by locking abilities, that's why
>>739983436>>739983793I'll add Batbarian: Testament of the Primordials.
>>739982718I'm seeing Metroid maps from all of these games so I don't know about this fake-Metroidvania you speak of.
Objective requirements to be considered a true metroidvania:1. Interconnected world gated by ability acquisition/area bosses2. RPG-style character development system involving stats and equipable items3. Action/platformer style freeform gameplay that emphasizes positioning and precision instead of stamina rollslopAnything else isn't a fucking metroidvania
>>739983996>Metroidvania is just simply the map!Yep it's peak midwit time
Getting more health and missiles is RPG progression. You don't need the other stats.
Listen buddy its either this or deckbuilders
>>739984104No one has the ingenuity to design a deckbuilding metroidvania. Not yet at least.
>>739983851I don't care, the game is still crap. Blasphemous is also mediocre but at least it has an interesting religious aesthetic.
>indieyour fault for playing shit games
>>739978287iron bramble looks kinda cool ngl
>>739983436Hollow Knight, Nine Sols, Blasphemous, Bloodstained, Ender Lilies, Rabi-Ribi, Axiom Verge, Momodora, Ori, and Cave Story. The genre has overwhelmingly positive game after overwhelmingly positive game.
>>739979321Why do you think having a complaint is tantamount to an identity? It's like the "hating popular things isn't a personality" quip that people keep using. It's not actually about making an impression on you personally, believe it or not.
>>739980840>Hardest genre?The fuck? It's a maze with progression locked.behind shit like double jump and swim.
>>739984372Cave Story isn't a metroidvania and I'm tired of people trying to insist that it is just because you get access to the booster. If that's all it takes to qualify for some people then the fucking Megaman games are metroidvanias and I'm pretty certain we can agree that isn't the case.The game isn't designed for exploration and varying paths on the scale of any metroid game, most of it is a linear throughline and there are a handful of sidequests where backtracking is necessary.
>>739983162kinda like your dad
>>739981621>Two handsHow about zero. Shit like Metroid and Super Metroid are boring as fuck
>>739984453>ESL has arrivedPlease re-read his statement and try to figure out where your interpretation went wrong.
>>739980929Have you ever tried to make one? Easy to say it's "just" X Y Z, but making it all fit together so it's good is not easy.
>>739984316Play SNES umihara kawase instead
>>739984626I wouldn't know...
>>739984372Half of those games are hideous.
>>7399846237 of the games up there have sequels so you could easily remove Cave Story and count this on 3 hands.
>>739984659Illiterate retard, what do you think I misunderstood? Are you retarded enough to think I'm talking about difficulty of playing the games or designing them?
>>739978287I have that and pixel art fatigue.
>>739984837>ESL-kun attempts to backpedal It's okay bro
>>739984689unironically japslop
>>739978287Is there any post 2018 indievania that's actually better than HK? I played Luna Nights and Cave Story ages ago and loved them, but HK was such a drag I've never completed it after multiple attempts to get into it.It's looming shadow puts me off trying other indievanias, since they either copy HK or are directly compared to it.so are all indievanias so shit that they can't compete with a game I find mid as hell? Or did HK just luck out being the first one and there are some better ones?
Some dev should make a Metroivania Slay the Spire clone with a pick-3 roguelike mechanic and a quirky RPG plot about depression
>>739978287Good thing you aren't the target audience.
>>739984950No, play An Untitled Story instead.
>>739984914>Hurry durr, I made the wrong presumption because I can't read without arduous context, and now I have to save face on a Laotian basket weaving boardFollow up question: when someone mentions mazes or shit locked behind morph ball, do you think they're talking about difficulty or stupid design? Answer truthfully, brown
>>739984689looks kinda retarded ngl
>>739985082You can stop now, you knowYou are just digging yourself deeper
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2671230/BLADECHIMERA/this was fun
>>739978287I don't. More please
>>739978287This Indie game:>An action metroidvania inspired by Castlevania, Momodora, and Shantae.>Fast and stylish combat with combos, dodges, and vampiric abilities.>Explore your former kingdom, now overrun by traitors and lowly mortals.>Unlock new powers, craft your build, and become an unstoppable force.>Forge monstrous alliances and defeat the heroes of the story.>Reclaim the Kingdom of Haven Thorn and take revenge on the hunters who stole it from you.
>>739978494No!I'm almost enjoying my anger!
only the normies and zoomiest (and the dirhard minority) gave a fuck about these after liek 15+ years ago
>>739985213It was also woke
>>739984950Astalon and Zexion have none of the souls shit in them
>>739985210Deeper into what? What are you afraid of?
>>739983162Other way around. People find the bosses too hard.
>>739984689Extremely based.
>>739985263>another crackheaded indie game with satanic overtones and menstrual blood all over the placeNo.
>>739978494fpbp
im sick of metroidvanias becoming soulslikes.authentic metroid is a power trip where you become an unstoppable force with unrivaled hp, damage, and mobility. a fucking 2d darksouls wannabe will never give you that because the focus has to be all on the combat from start to finish. a series of dodge rolls against a simon says boss fight is not why I play these games.I want an evolving toolkit with meaningful options. silk song has like 5 core upgrades and I only care about 2. the rest are just non-stacking combat gear that you opt into, and they stop mattering at all once you find what you like.
>>739985284Your anger at not playing videogames. What a surprise
>>739985693people shit on SotN for being too easy, but I was having a blast with the Crissaegrim
>>739983718>>739984176It's not a bad game but something tells me your issue with it is the anime girls
>>739985693Metroid is NOT a metroidvania and I don't understand why you retards don't get this
>>739986149There's not enough pure metroidlikes to bother treating it as its own thing. On the other hand, soulsvanias should be a separate genre.
>>739986285The whole point of the term is that it's a combination of elements from Super Metriod and Castlevania SotN. Ironically SotN is a metroidvania but Metroid itself isn't simply because of the lack of RPG elements that SotN added.
>>739978287Eh, at least indievanias can be good sometimes. There's far worse genres that are common in the indie market.
>>739986285How do you decide if it's a Soulsvania? Ender Lilies doesn't drop your money when you die even though the rest of it is Souls.
>>739986149its in the name, and you call other people retard?Your family tree has a few circles in it
>>739986426Technically the term Metroidvania originally was used to specifically describe SOTN itself, and wasn't until later that it became a genre.
>>739986514yes it's in the name but it lacks anything from the sotn side so it's not a vania
>>739986612True.
indievanias are my game equivelent of junkfood, can't get enough of them even if they are often not very special.i think aeterna lucis is releasing soon, lookimg forward to that one
>>739978287They should make a Simon's Questlike if they can't outdo SOTN.
>>739978287HkSilksongZexionThese are the only indievanias you need
>>739986285>>739986478Souls-like in the context of Metroidvanias is largely just a marketing ploy to capitalize on the popularity of souls-likes. Both styles already have a lot of overlapping elements, that a term like "Soulsvania" would be redundant.
>>739986968Oh shit and nine sols, so easily forgotten
When are they gonna copy Metroid Dread and all of its quick time events?
>>739978287Hundreds of games release every month, just play something else.
>>739978287I had it like 10 years ago...
>>739978287See in the tags:>metroidvaniaOk cool.>retroAlso cool.>Female protagonistFine whatever.>soulslikeDROPPED>procedurally generatedGIGA DROPPED
>>739978494ok nigga then where's my indie games that occupy the genres *I* LIKE??
well most of them have nice art at least, I'd rather have indie devs keep making this instead of CARD BASED ROUGELIKE trash
Why isn't there an indievania about my fetish?>>739986852There's a few that are close>Infernax>Phoenotopia Awakening>(free game) Castlevania The Lecarde Chronicles 2
>>739978287How many of these have equipment and leveling up to justify the "vania" part?
>>739978287I've had it for years honestly.I never want to see another instance of or variation of the double jump ever again.Do something original goddammit.Whenever I see a wall or platform just slightly out of the base game jump height, usually less than ten minutes into the game, I immediately know there's not one original idea in the game.
v hates Metroidvanias, v hates Soulslikes, v hates roguelikes. What's a good genre for you people?
>>739989682Factory automation games
>>739989682First Person Shooters and Real Time Strategy.
>>739989682internet trolling emulator
>>739985263>An action metroidvania inspired by MomodoraThat isn't a good thing.
>>739978287Thanks for the recommendations, OP
>>739985523>>739990261Are you really doubting the power of 30,000 wishlists?
>>739990261I liked Momodora 4
>>739989017what genre do you like
>>739989682anything without metaprogression and rpg elements
>>739978287All shit btw. Grime isn't, but juden, hence shit.
>>739979874im playing through it now, basically shredding everything with aqua stream
>>739990261This. Momodora comboslop is shit.
Rusted Moss is fucking kino so Iron Bramble will be fucking kino too.
>>739982357i got this in the last mv bundle. tried it and dropped it. pretty bad, yeah
>>739982963thats more of an igavania thing
>>739983996beat this the second time like a week ago. decent mv although short
>>739984157ive seen pokemon-like mvs. thats almost the same
>>739984641try hyper metroid
Its not indie, but Valfaris is fun as fuck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=758YGA4Rp3Y
>>739984957Was it not Slay the Spire that also started the pick three in roguelikes?
>>739993004The complaining online genre.
>>739986794any relation to aeterna noctis? because they should fix that first before making a new one
>>739989119thats not part of the mv genre
I will take an MVslop over a random soulslop or rogueslop any day of the fucking week.
The last SOTN clone I was really into was Blasphemous (my friend told me it was a Souls-like but hell no it didn't play like a Souls game at all, but I really still enjoyed it because I also like SOTN).Now? I just can't stand the design.>Oh you think that area looks cool? Well fuck off for two hours until you get the upgradeGenuinely sick of it.
>>739978287>stealth shill threadfiiiine I'll give these a shot, thank goodness for piracyand while we're recommending vidya anything similar to freedom planet? I really liked them especially the second one
>>739995370I didn't know that was a thing. Thanks anon.
anime girl MCs with trench coats, ponytails and a tired expression made me unbelievably angry for some reason, something about that specific look makes me recoil in disgust
>metroidvania>roguelike>roguelites>survival crafting>deck builder>farming sim>early access
>>739978287Why would you bother with this trash when you could just play Super Metroid rom hacks instead?
>>739981716>the biggest actual problem with it is oversaturationBe careful about what you call a problem.RTS players bitched about CnC clones for the whole 2000s and now the genre is dead save for a couple of cybersport ghettos.
>>739978287Genuinely I feel like metroidvanias are just the easiest games to vibecode with chatgpt and that's why there are so many coming out now.I started making one myself and it's super fast to dev with the only problem being the art which was too much of a pain so I quit
>>739996117Chronicles of the wolf. 10/10 clonievania
>some game I put on my wishlist 8 years ago is on sale>look at it>it's a metroidvania>I already have 10 unplayed metroidvanias in my library
>>739980840no they're not, and now with souls like getting popular, indie devs can shit them out even faster, just make random levels, barely existent story with characters that just say random shit, some random bosses, and you have yourself modern indievania slop
for me? it's nedroidvania
>>739996452Enjoy /v/ro, one of the best and most unique MVs out there.
>>739998987I mean I played rusted moss but didn't know it was getting a sequel.
