When did Kingdom Hearts plot definitively jump the shark?
You clever little sneak!
the first game already toes the line on how much embarrassing shit a human being can tolerate
>>739985402Chain of Memories. First one was barely understandable.
>>739985402For me that game was when the series truly embraced the nonsense and made the cringe its own. Kingdom Hearts 2 was full on 2000s wannabe edge mixed with toddler Disney content, which didn't really work because they didn't commit hard enough to the stupidity of it all, it came off as trying too hard. They really let loose in 3D and said fuck you we're retarded and we're doing it our way. I liked it.
>>7399854023 was the was the worst game in the series. It just didn't deliver whatsoever.Actually, ReCoded might be worse, but it's a toss up, I think.
Does anyone think it’s possible we might see KH4 this week at any of the Not-E3 events?
>>7399867453 was so disappointing I will NEVER get hyped up for a game release like that ever again
2 when they introduced the retarded organization
Birth by Sleep. It was a good game but being a prequel meant that it had to do some crazy shit like introduce the whole 13 darknesses and 7 lights, explain Ansem and Xehanort, castle oblivion whatever the lingering will was and all these bullshit things and Square just went absolutely batshit insane with body jacking, splitting a person in two, the Chi-blade and having a true kingdom hearts telling us that the first was fake.
>>739985402The first game
3 was just an awful game. And a mainline KH game dropping the ball HARD means the series just falls apart. Especially when they wrote random things off, shit the bed on the writing repeatedly, the disaster that was the frozen world, the lack of summons, the lack of returning characters/worlds, and trying to fit in too many new characters.
Strelitzia bros, it’s almost our time.
>>739986849I've beaten all of the KH games that are in the collection on ps3 and pc and still have not finished KH3. I think that the worlds being mostly from pixar is probably turning me off. Also, the writing is somehow worse than DDD.
>>739987460The Pixar worlds are the best ones along with BH6, they actually continue the stories of those films instead of rehashing them.
Birth by sleep. CoM GBA had good writing and setup for KH2. While KH2 had some silly shit like virtual twilight town its main point was to kill the nobodies and everything was tied up nice and tight. Wait technically KH2 FM ruined the series with its extra cutscenes and extended secret FMV setting up BBS - which would've be fine if it was a self contained prequel but Nomura had to be fucking retarded and the squaresoft team of lead writers were no longer around to tard wrangle that ugly chink manlet. Owell.
>>739986791possibly, but also probably not. I expect it at TGS
>>739987237I think an even deeper problem stems from nomura expecting us to have story knowledge of the mobile game. actually retarded to lock vital details and lore behind a gacha and link it to a mainline game.
>>739990641Not to mention his throbbing erection over the Demon Tide thing to the point of making it more dangerous and destructive than the actual villains.>guys guys it's a bunch of Shadows which are the weakest Heartless but put them all together and they're so strong that they instantly kill all the heroes and they can't do anything about it you're gonna fight it a bunch of times to see just how scary and awesome it is and you never actually beat it until the very end of the game
KH2. They stopped writing stories around the video game they were actually making, the video game that is 70~80% Disney adaptations, and pretended they could make an original JRPG with a 6 hour storyline tucked into the Disney sandwich. Which leads to nonsense like Ansem the Wise disappearing for 20 hours of play, our knowing almost nothing about Terra and Aqua despite their actions kicking off the entire story, and KH3 leaving most of the cast completely static until Sora's leveled up enough to get involved.The first game is nonsense as well if you want to be a sourpuss, but the first game is quite obviously a video gamey setting where things happen the way they do to create play scenarios and the details of the world are just icing.
>>739985402I had no fucking idea what was happening in Chain Of Memories
>>739991179Still like playing them though.
>>739990641A gacha game that is also shutdown so you need to use Youtube or a Wiki to figure out what's going on.
Only 1 has a presentable story.
>>739990641I know what the internet and gaming communities are like these days.But it genuinely surprises me that they wrote in a joke about how completely unnecessary it is to enjoy the actual game.Kept it in both languages.And yet, to this day, people swear up and down that no, totally, you NEED all the lore from the horrendously grindy gacha to understand even the basic premises going on with the game.
>>739991437Nomura's approach on "everything must be canon" fucked his story up tenfold.
>>739985402As soon as time travel became a thing.
y'all tripping KH2 had my 12 year old ass bawling my little eyes out bruhKAIRIIIIII
>>739985402in 2 where mickey went "hey hold on there buddy. the ansem you fought was just a guy pretending to be him."
>>739985402The first game is the only one with a normal coherent story. The plot is focused and the villains' motives are clear. The story began to suffer when they introduced the organization and nobodies. Everything after 2 is just pants on head.
>>739985402>Guy with five minutes of screentime who dies like a bitch is actually pulling the strings the whole timeSo losing an eye and getting repeatedly defeated and almost getting unmade with the rest of the universe if Norty won was all according to his keikaku?
>>739985402>>739985525It already started with Chain of Memories. If you didn't play that fucking GBA game, you were already missing important plot points from the very beginning of KH2.However, you can only fully understand Roxas's story if you've played Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, which wasn't released until years later.The whole Nobody and Heartless concept didn't help either and as the series continued, things only became more confusing.
I didn't mind DDD time travel, but I thought the way KH3 talked about and implemented the Power of Waking was very confusing. So while you could argue DDD jumped the shark, I think it was 3 that really made a mess of things.
>>739985402I literally forgot 90% of the story.KH3 was such a wet fart that I stopped caring about this shit. Seems like SE did as well. KH4 will never come out.
>>739992228KH3 has almost no story. >Start of the game>I need to get strong again!>Mid game>Let's save Aqua!>Endgame>The story of the whole series gets finished at Keyblade Graveyard
>>739986745At least ReCoded could be skipped. None of it mattered.
>>739991253Mystery niggas wanted to mind rape Sora to use him for their own purposes.And the door to darkness apparently opens up to the basement and I guess Riku is there and he learns to overcome the black guy in his mind.
>>739992734>Series peaks with its first main villainShame they never managed to make a bad guy that had as much swag as Ansem
>>739992734Billy Zane was so phenomenal
>>739985402Chain of Memories/KH2.People can complain about the shit in BBS and DDD all they want, but you can't get that shit without COM and KH2 making KH1's simple and clean plot needlessly convoluted. KH1>Sora becomes a person again because of his connection to KairiCOM/KH2>Actually Sora becoming a Heartless for 2 minutes allowed him to have a nobody be produced that was taken by an evil shadowy organization of nobodies that wants a keyblade Weidler but also wants to fuck with Sora cause the main leader is the nobody of the guy Sora killed in KH1, who actually isn't the guy who he claimed to be, but a guy named Xehanort instead who was apprentece to the real Ansem!
>>739985402I've never understood the complaints about the plot3 as a game was a gay letdown but I've never personally took issue with the complexity of the plot or its quality (til 3)
>>739985402so now that xehanort is dead is he still half xehanort or what? his eye is still yellow in that secret ending
>>739993210He's gone back from being Half Xehanort/QuarterLuxu/QuarterBraig to being HalfLuxu/HalfBraig
>>739993270ohh I see I understand completely
>>739993270No dude he's half Nort, half Braig, half Luxu.
I think KH3 was a fun game, I just recently played the first trilogy for the first time blind, still need to get the Ultima Weapon.
>>739992107>If you didn't play that fucking GBA game, you were already missing important plot points from the very beginning of KH2.ehhh I wouldn't call anything that happens in com or 358 important to understanding KH2. If you go from KH1 directly to KH2 the narrative of Sora's post game quest "We need to find Riku and Mickey" hasn't advanced so the player still understands what the mission is.com from sora's perspective is just him losing a year and having a promise to thank some blonde that he actually forgets to thank ( I cant believe in fm they added a cutscene where sora goes "damn i forgo" instead of adding in a moment where he gets to thank her what the hell square )com from Riku is good character development for sure but if you play com first it works against the plot of KH2 because it spoils that Riku is fine after KH1 creating a disconnect from what you the player knows vs what Sora knows.358 isn't important to the story KH2 is trying to tell it's just background context for who Roxas is.It's adjacent story context, not direct, the games after 2 start making that problem
>>739993556So I took a quick glance at the lore, meaning I half listened to it while doing something else. Apparently Luxu is one of the original keyblade master apprentices. Beneath the Master of Masters, who is THE keyblade master. And MoM has been at war with the capital D Darkness for years before the apocalypse that destroyed the universe.Anyway that keyblade with the goat head? It's MoM's. And he gave it to Luxu to travel the world with. Because that blue eyeball on it? Also MoM's. And anything it sees across all of time is known to MoM. But while he used his literal future sight to fuck with his other apprentices, it's actual purpose is to be an avenue for MoM to launch himself forward in time to wherever that keyblade is. Because he expects Luxu/ Xigbar to take it somewhere detached from the war between light and dark. This thing was never Xehanort's keyblade. In fact Master of Masters was the one who pushed him into becoming the edgy asshole he ended up being.
>>739990641>>739991437I actually played the game which changed forms at LEAST twice, Kingdom Hearts CROSS UNION Kingdom Hearts χAnd I STILL really didn't fucking understand any of it.
>Hmm. I need a secret Luxu for my Xehanort prequel. What to call him, what to call him....>Oh, I know!>Let me just swap the I behind the g and good. Bragi! You've done it again nomura!
>>739993828Yeah I knew all that I'm just confused on Luxu's current body/soul/status whatever. Also MoM had a shitload of trust in Luxu. I guess he already knew the future because of the book of prophecies or whatever? Now the real question, what the fuck is in the box.
>>739993940
>>739993940It was probably gonna be detailed in Missing Link, but since that shit got scrapped. There's just a lot of tie in lore which was probably being saved for a spin-off before KH4 that's sorta just missing right now. And we've got no clue how they'll integrate or what they'll integrate into KH4.Honestly at this point they should just release a few LN volumes to cover the planned story.
>>739990418Nothing big happens at TGS, for like a decade now.
>>739993991kek it's what I think of every time
>>739994031https://youtu.be/RtnfYYlvCVA
>>739985402birth by sleep when the biggest baddest keyblade is only 2 keyblades taped together as an X
>>7399854021 is understandable. Rescue the Disney princesses, save the Disney worlds, and oh hey there’s some Final Fantasy faggots here too. I 100%ed KH2 and could not tell you the story. We are fighting white creatures now? But also still some black ones too? Also the Ansem guy from the first one is multiple people but also the same?
>>739994105You are the most braindead zoomer of all time.
Legitimately the only thing confusing about the supplemental material is Xion being Sora's Memories of Kairi and Namine explicitly being Kairi's Nobody, when pretyy blatantly it should be the other way around.And BBS being the only game you REALLY might need to play besides kh1 2 and 3 since it kind of assumes you know that whole deal
>>739993856>Master of Masters: So yeah guys, I'm leaving. But here's a copy of the book of prophecies. It tells everything that's gonna happen in the future.>Hey this book says we're gonna be betrayed by one of us but it doesn't say who it is>What? My book doesn't say that! >Master of Masters: You guys figure that out. Anyway see ya!>Master of Master: Psst! Hey Luxu! I was just fucking with them. None of them are the traitors. I just wanted to sow suspicion and paranoia among them so they'll go to war and blow up the worldLuxu: ...why? >Master of Masters: I'm gonna level with you. I can't beat the Darkness. So I'm just going to break the game board by intentionally blowing up this whole world. Yeah a shitload of keyblade wielders will die but the ones that remain will be way more resilient to the darkness. Which we can use to ferret them out and then beat them>Luxu: That sounds retarded!>Master of Masters: Anyway here's my keyblade, take this with you everywhere you go, and this box, never ever open it! I'm gonna peace out to Kingdom Hearts 4
>>739985402The first game the moment you visited the first Disney world, whatever it wasYou had this kino liminal island, then an equally kino strange town, now it's finally time to check out Disney through the lens of this aesthetic... and it's just the Sparknotez version of the plots. no subversions, no creativity, no other angles to explore. why...?!at absolute *minimum* Disney should have received the same treatment FF had, which is that characters should be all mixed up; Tigger bonding with the Cheshire Cat, Tarzan helping Pan while Hook teams up with Ursula, etc. etc.instead of doing that they simply got rid of the FF too.
>>739987116Actually no if you play KH1 + Re:CM + KH2 and skip all the side shit it's actually a pretty damn good self contained trilogy.
>>739994574how would you explain the "message in a bottle-new adventure awaits" ending in KH2 then?
Failure to define the Keyblade as being one of many such weapons early on in KH1, leading to a whole lot of confusion and mistranslations since then, but I wouldn't say there's any point of the series that's irredeemable all the way up until they tied new plot developments to a live-service game that's since gone offline
>>739994665NTa, but just an open ended "the adventure continues" ending. Doesn't need to be explained. We don't need Coded.
>>739994793that's lame. in a perfect world, they jumped straight into KH3 after that as the true finale of the franchise, and it was stylized like Versus XIII
>>739993856Me too but I just don't give a shit. I'll gladly boot up Kingdom hearts 4 confused as hell just to see how Nomura navigates the mess he's made.
>>739985402I think DDD really just pushes it.>KH1 is mostly self contained>CoM is a lead-up to 2 and mostly self-contained>2 is mostly self-contained while setting up a sequel>BBS is mostly self contained while recontextualizing 2>Days adds the context to 2 that was missing and is on the same level as CoM>DDD introduces so many completely batshit insane plot elements and then drops them all by saying, "Look forward to having all of this shit explained in 3."
>>739993856The problem with Union X's story is that while (you) the player are important come the ending of Chi and going into Union X. Your importance really just boils down to>You're friends with the character the plot actually revolves around Ephemer>Skald exists purely to help you find keyblade jesus ephemer>The Foretallers exist to have a war that allows Ava to be justified in creating her dandilions so keyblade jesus Ephemer can disappear from the plot>Keyblade jesus Ephemer only shows up again after you nearly die in the war>Keyblade jesus Ephemer now has to micromanage the new union leaders chosen from Dandilions>You die so Keyblade jesus and Skald can live>You reincarnate so you can raise possibly Skald's kid on destiny island until you die again and Xehanort kicks off the troubles.
>>739992170How does time travel and the Power of Waking work again? I just know Sora disappeared from abusing the hell out of it to save Kairi and his friends from jobbing?
>>739994961Also RE:Coded, but that's just harmless filler. besides the box
>>739995018You forget that your personal waifu, Sora's spirit guide in the actual canon realm of "imagination (anime and video games)" is still waiting for you to die and go to super hell so you can make out.
Reddit spacing aside, if Nomura really did plan basically the entirety of the 2 Saga with COM, 2, 358 and BBS to an EXTENT (and somewhat Recoded), why the fuck did the story turn into garbage right after BBS?
>>739995086Nomura really hates women huh Surprised he even gave Kairi a rhythm game and that one fight in Remind. Must have been pressured.
>>739995110Sorry babe, this time I'm reincarnating as a Meowow.
>>739995160Oh but wait I forgot Kairi had to be saved by Sora even in her own rhythm game lmao
>>739985402the box art before you play the game
>>739995086AlrightyAccording to DDD only a Heart/ Soul can travel across time. So if you're going to do it then you have to abandon your body. But that's pointless if you don't have a body right? So that means if you're going to actually travel through time, there needs to be a body for your soul to inhabit at the destination. And even then, there needs to be an instance of you there. No traveling to before you were born or after your death. And even with all this bullshit, it operates on causal loops. You cannot change history, you can only fulfill it... right? Sora uses Power of Waking to locate the hearts of his friends across history. That's what he did after he died and woke up in the Final World. Here's the thing though, this already is a big no, no. Sora started possessing his friends and getting them to make different decisions that don't lead to their deaths. This is why Xehanort kept getting surprised at the end of KH3. Xehanort already planned out how history is supposed to go so the fact it didn't happen meant someone he couldn't see was fucking with it. This is also what that chess match between Xehanort and Eraquas represented. Eraquas was supposed to lose but then he just changed the rules at the last minute. Here's the thing though: using the Power of Waking to change history is such a massive taboo that reality itself kicked Sora out. He doesn't even go to the same afterlife anymore, he's entirely divorced from the universe we know.
>>739992895xemnas mogs him. dudes got a flying space station castle and 12 mystery niggas under his command and an evil as fuck voice
>>739985402Pretty early. It was always rule of cool with all the in-universe rules being bent to suit the plot. It's absolutely fine within the contained story of KH1, but once we start talking about nobodies we are already going off the rails.
>>739985402In retrospect the secret movie of the first game already started with the OC bullshit and vague hints that don't mean anything that Nomura outright admitted wasn't an actual plan or hint of anything because he just wanted stuff that looked cool. The series was destined to become convoluted before final mix even came out.
>>739995091The box and the revelation that Keyblades can grant themselves even to people that don't exist on paper if their strength-of-will is enough like Data-Sora
>>739995385>Break the rules of reality>Get put in the going into games machine because Mr. "I JUST HIT THE JACKPOT" gave you a playing cardNot that anon. But thanks for explaining what Sora actually did, that's cool.
>>739994195>>739995018>>739995110Right. Now you casual fucks who only played the ps games read that and try to figure out WHAT the fuck any of that means. And to top it offf I think there isn't a single good piece of skuld rule 34.I just expected to catch up to King Mickey and kick ass with my bros. >>739995174Good one or evil one?
>>739995385https://youtu.be/yCNvMEprpXk?si=Q-D0TCVdyVcnBa6aThat chess match was horseshit by the way>A game's no fun if you know where it's goingFuck you. Checkmate literally means you lose. Not changing the rules to make it more interesting to you
>>739995705They're the same Meow Wow... The shadow... The true self...
BBS, and it's not even close.
The only good thing to come out of the Frozen world.
>>739995782Roxas and Sora still need to buy two tickets to the movies when they go. Or are they up to 4 now? Same goes for the Meow Wows I think.
chain of memories the original sequel
Khux still makes me laugh when Xehanort was like "darkness is the only true power i have created pure darkness juice to inject into my worthy vessel". Then 2000 years ago they were injecting random 13 year olds with the darkness juice that kills you for literal fun.
Can UX players tell me what's the deal with Ventus and Vanitas? I heard they also lived in that era, but I don't know the details
People who hate on Kingdom Hearts are not video game players. They are simply hating from a distance. They've made some less satisfactory games like BBS and DDD, but all three main titles contain the highest quality boss fights and postgame challenges of ANY, ANY series. KH1 Sephiroth, KH2 Lingering Will, KH3 Yozora will all get your blood pumping like crazy the first time you eek out a win.
birth by sleep and ddd, the other games didnt break the story like those did
>>739996360Ventus lived in the age of fairytales. at the end of UX, the player and main supporting cast are trapped in a datascape recreation of the world to house them safely during/after the keyblade war, but the keyblade war is an inevitability and happens again in the datascape (i think?) Before they all escape to this data world, a being just called Darkness possesses ventus and kills Strelitzia to take her place as a leader of the new unions that lead the masses of keyblade wielders. After some other shit I cant remember well, Ventus is sent forward in time. Ventus suffers amnesia on the transport. At this point he still harbors a Darkness entity deep in his heart against his will. Xehanort finds him, sees this potential opportunity, fucks him up training him because hes too innocent and weak, so then forcibly divorces the darkness hiding in Ven's heart from his light and spawns a physical form that we know as Vanitas. Now I'm a little fuzzy on this part but im pretty sure this all at the very least heavily implies that Vanitas as an entity is an original, "primordial" Darkness from the ancient times. There are thirteen of them, split from one original body. Theyve been around since even before Ven's lifetime, from when the Master of Masters was an active wielder. MoM also states he is/was acquainted with themThe Sora face on Vanitas i cant remember the exact explanation of
>>739996736Imagine being the ultimate big bad of the entire series who existed since existence itself and a shard of you gets turned into a fucking emo boy with daddy issues.
>bbb is the star wars prequels>ddd is the star wars sequels
>>739985402from the get-goit was always insane like a fever dream, it just got exponentially worse and the fans ate it up
do you feel it? the moons power
>>739996880You gotta read more books.
>>739985402CoM
>>739996551based trvke. sucks that KH really shines the most with post-game/optional super bosses though, since most people refuse to sit through the rest of those games to get to fight them. literally some of the best ARPG action in any game series. even made for character action fans.
>>739985402After 2. Everything was pretty much wrapped up. There didn't need to be a bottle.
> LuxuWHO?> His known vessels include Brain, Bragi and Braig – and, by extension, Xigbar. WHAT?
>>739997163Yes. I always contend that KH3 doesn't really have good combat. The mechanics aren't interesting, too many of your options do the same sort of AOE nuke shit, magic FEELS good to use but is strategically oversimplified. But KH3 having mediocre combat proves that excellent boss design can hard carry the experience. KH2's combat is massively superior to KH3's, but I'd still rather boot up KH3 to fight some datas and Yozora because the fights are just that much more variable, intense, punishing, and fun to master.Fuck, I want more.
>>739997440This guy
>>739997440Did you not play KH3?
I still wonder if they're ever gonna reveal what Demyx's deal is. It seems unlikely when the new game takes place in an entirely different reality.
>>739997440>> His known vessels include Ed, Edd and Eddy – and, by extension, Xded.
>>739997617Fucking kek.
>>739993828>hilt guard that actively threatens your handi hate the damn japanese!
>>739991179Honestly true i like kh2 but it's so weird how they went from a simple plot of princesses of heart and a boy saving multiple worlds, to organization XIII drama, fake towns, scifi shit.
>>739993828>It was in fact MoMIt was actually himself and there's a file somewhere where Xehanort himself ruminates on the fact that he went back in time and convinced himself to go down the path he is now.MoM witnessed this and went "lol".
Some bay area surfer sounding douchebag was the mastermind all along.
>>739997805Someone had to start a keyblade war so that Xehanort could hear about the keyblade war and get the wrong idea so he could eventually learn more about it and get the right idea eventually resulting in Sora getting booted out of reality into the original Versus XIII universe for some reason.
To think that fucking Disney was the thing holding back Kingdom Hearts from going full crazy. Unbelievable.
As far as I'm concerned KH 1, Chains of memories, Roxas's game and KH2 are all you need. Stop paying attention to the series after that.
>>739998035KH3 to me isn't an unworthy game even if it let me down and didn't reach the highs of 1 and 2. The worlds are more impressive than KH2's, with some of them boasting insane amounts of detail and secrets. One has to remember that the major selling point of KH is that you're going on Disney adventures. Final Fantasy cameos and twisting, turning mysteries are comparatively just side objectives. KH3's worlds absolutely deliver.
>>739997896>into the original Versus XIII universe for some reason.We all know the reason.
>>739998035Problem with that is kh2 sets up way more shit for the future.For example who is lingering will? We never see radiant garden even though it's mentioned.
>>739998342>lingering willWasn't in the original KH2.
>>739992107>However, you can only fully understand Roxas's story if you've played Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, which wasn't released until years later.most retarded faggot on the board award
>>739998342>For example who is lingering will? We never see radiant garden even though it's mentioned.Are you fucking dumb? I swear to God none of you faggots have ever played the games you talk about. Hollow Bastion's name gets changed back to Radiant Garden after you beat Space Paranoids you stupid fuck.
>>739996818b-based?Also for anyone with questions about Vanitas' name, I am fairly certain Xehanort got it from the Master of Masters, whose name will also be Vanitas (not the "same" person at all like all the Rikus running around, just share a name)Why I believe this to be the case is the cutscene at the end of kh3 where a time traveling young xehanort meets with MoM in the badlands. He asks the Master his name, and he tells Xehanort but it is muted to the audience. Xehanort looks visibly surprised after learning it and says it feels familiar, etched into his heart or something like that. I believe this is because his future self is already predestined to use this name, Vanitas, to refer to the Darkness pulled from Ventus. Just my personal prediction
>>739998658Ok but it's just a name change i don't recall the area being restored.
>>739998676So? The place has been broken down, but it's still Radiant Garden. They're building it back up, slowly, restoring it. Life goes on.Fucking retard, I don't even agree with the SERIES ENDS AT 2 idiots but morons like you make that hard.
>>739986849What could the plot of kh3 even be? Obviously I didn't play all the scummy entries 1/3+2.1 aso. 2 had better combat, but worse story imo. The usual problems that successors of good first entries have. Sequeleritis.
>>739986849Literally your fault. No game could ever hold up that hype.
>>739998724Ah ok, well my point is they set up things for the future. Obviously the dialog implies radiant garden as restored.
>>739998767>Ah ok, well my point is they set up things for the future. Obviously the dialog implies radiant garden as restored.NTA but the header image for the world changes ON SCREEN after you finish up the arc for the world.
>villain of the first game is revealed to be the king of the world the Final Fantasy characters lived in, who was studying the dark monsters that plague the worlds at the start of the story>sequel retcons him into being a pretender who apprenticed under the actual king before banishing his teacher and stealing his name and research
>>739985402358/2 days, but people will deny it because they want to fuck kairi(forma my chemical romance)
>>739985451Roxas!
>>739999000Why did they do it? Always wondered. Just to reuse him??
>>739999125NEW BACK DROP
>>739999127He wanted a good ansem and a bad ansem
>>739985402A Xehanort is a Xehanort, you can't say it's only a half
>>739997707At the very least.You are using it wrong if you don't transform it
>>739992107gooby pls
>>739999000>But you see I calls ya Handsome, Seeker of Darkness
>>739985402BBS. The game kind of sucks, and it was where the story became too Nomura while also being too silly in relation to the Disney worlds. To put it in perspective, KH2 lets you kick it in the 100 Acre Wood with Pooh, and inside of ten minutes you can be listening to Donald and Goofy talk about how Sephiroth represents the darkness in Cloud's heart. That game is a glorious fever dream, and BBS is still more ridiculous.
>>739999175>Ansem wise:I am the good ansem. King ansem.>Ansem seeker of darkness :Im not even an ansem!
>>739999127I think I remember an interview where they said Ansem SoD didn't really match the "wise king" image that was described in his KH1 reports, so they made Ansem the Wise to correct that
>>739999223this boss is such an enigmait's xehanort's armor used by xemnas in kh2 and a boss in bbs for whatever reason kh3 xehanort decided he wanted some new darkness goat armor instead for whatever reason
>>739999175>>739999313>ansem: 0:>>other ansem: 3:>
>>739999303>Yeah KH2 jumped the shark but BbS jumped higher!
>>739999349Disgusting. They can't even get away with saying we wanted the story to be simple for the kids, as the story is the most convoluted fuck ever in a rpg.
>>739991179Yes, everything after KH1 is a fucking mess storywise.2 only gets the pass because the combat is god tier on FM+.
>Kh be like :let's introduce the org in the gba game! Also before explaining anything they are already attacking each other!
>>739999223this armor is fucking sick i dont give a shit what else anyone has to say about it. Wayfinders' suits are ok too but No Heart is absolutely balleri want sora and riku keyblade armor
>>739999223That's sora?
>>739996551>kino bosses>kino musicWhat more do you need?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa7SyxcKTbs
>>739993940Luxu has been body hopping for probably centuries, similar to what Xehanort did to Terra but much more secretive (and successful, apparently)In Dark Road it is revealed he has possessed Xehanort's friend/peer Bragi at some point before or during the storyMoM trusts Luxu because he already knows he will/has succeeded in the future, and yeah its due to the book of prophecies existing at all, kinda paradoxical. The book is written by the master based on what he sees through the eye that is carried into the future by Luxu and the other successors of No Name, so his ability to write it is proof his goal was successful
>>739999970
>>739999985Didn't know that about dark road, I dropped that shit because it sucked ass. I really hate all these mobile games. Kinda glad missing link got cancelled even though it looked like the most interesting mobile game.
>>739999360This is nort when he was in his prime.Just like how armor of the master is eraqus in his prime since they are both old farts.Terranort is xehanort mixed with terra which is why he also uses terra's moves and in 3 he's an old man empowered by kh3.There is youngnort, but I am pretty sure that is nort before he got off destiny island.I assume both armors are Nort and and Eraqus when they were in their late 20s early 30s.
>>740000242Add him to the pile of reasons kh3 is dogshitThey did him dirty
>>739997163KH1 and 2 had super cool bosses on the story thoever, even if KH3 story bosses were kinda ass comparatively except for XehanortThat said, why KH3 sucks is because KH was "FF with disney" and KH3 is literally just DisneyLike, the fucking fever dream yuxtaposition was the entire point of the game
The real answer is DDD. Everyone who says 'anything after one' is just a midwit YouTube essay watcher
I'm replaying KH1 right now, and honestly I miss how they early on tried to incorporate the disney worlds into the story, they are still similar somewhat to the movie story, but they rewrote them to fit the context of the overarching plot. in KH3, it felt like you are straight up watching scenes from the movie with Sora, Donald, and Goofy in the background.
>>740000949Joke's on you fag I don't have the want or attention span to watch those gay essays
>>740000719https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWddtN2FsVQLeave it to modders to give us what Squenix couldn't
>>740000993The only things I've wanted out of this franchise for 20 years are having a fully playable hooded roxas KH2 campaign and a mod to play with the FF characters on KH2 and I don't know if we're there yet (or we'll ever be)
>>740000979Not in all of them. Corona and Frozen are egregious examples that overshadow pirates, monsters inc and big hero six
>>739985402chain of memories
>>740001115>a fully playable hooded roxas KH2 campaignProject Nobody May Cry is a thing, though it's only for emulators now. They are porting it to the PC version, though
>>739986745To be fair, 3 took, what, 15 years to be released unfinished? It was never going to live up to the hype.
>>739985402It been a while, whichever game that tried to tie everything together. Ansem (Seeker of Darkness) and Xemnas became WAY lamer in later games. I know this was probably always planned in Nomura's head, but it's still pretty lame.
>>740001296Yes, but it was only in development for 5-6 years.
>>739985402The moment that a "somebody" comes back to life when the heartless and nobody is destroyed, IE the crux of what 3D was establishing.It's so fucking stupid.
I would be fine with kh4 rebooting the story but we are stuck with these mobile shithead furfags now apparently. Also MoM and whoever demyx, luxord and larxene really are. Just kinda gay and retarded overall so it's still kingdom hearts I guess.
>>740001569Oh also marluxia, luxu and the box. And I'm sure I'm missing a dozen mobile characters. Good thing I like the gameplay in this dogshit series.
>>739996551Yozora filtered me and i beat everything even in birth by sleep
>>739985402after the first game... honestly only the first game has a plot all other games are a collection of anime cliches/stupid nonsense
>>740000979Monstropolis integrates KH story better than anything in any other game. KH2 is far more guilty of filler.
On one hand I used to say it was DDD for introducing time travel to the story and KH3 for having Sora need to do so as well. BUT now that we know that the need to time travel and almost the entire Xehanort arc was orchestrated by MoM just to get Sora to be erased and end up into quadratum. Everyone knows the best part of KH has always been Nomura's ass pulls and he just keeps continuing to deliver.
>>740001926nomura is trying his hardest to make versus 13 he has to butcher kh to do it but to be fair kh has been getting butchered for awhile so whatever
>>740001781Ehh, KH1 still integrate them better, because the Disney villains are actually the main story villains instead of filler. Also, Olympus, Corona, and Arendelle are worse than anything in KH2.
>>739985525/thread
>>739987460>mostly from pixarThere's literally 2 Pixar worlds
>>740001971yeah when retarded DEI Queen keep shiting on your serie there is no fucking point to even care anymore
>>739985402Kingdom hearts began already in orbit over Sharkopolis, capital city of the planet Shark V, the crown jewel of the galactic shark empire.
>>740002080i wish there was 10 of them
When it turned out everyone was Xehanort or Sora.
>>740001996You need to actually PLAY KH2, motherfucker. You can't rely on your hazy 2006 memories forever.>Halloween Town>Agrabah>Pride Lands>Atlantica>Disney Castle/Timeless RiverFIVE of the primary Disney worlds where we don't get so much as a whiff of an Organization member, Roxas, Riku, Kairi, anything. Sure, we manage to kill Xaldin in Beasts Castle, which rules, but all of the other organization appearances in Disney worlds are legitimately pointless.>Riku and Xigbar are in Land of Dragons for no reason and both of them compete to see who can do less>Demyx fucks around with the Olympus Stone, makes you play a minigame and then leaves>Luxord plays with a heartless and then decides to leaveThere are enormous gulfs of interest in KH2 where nothing important happens for hours and hours at a time. KH3 worlds on the other hand take on the task of unveiling Xehanort's vessels, detailing their plans, and showing that they're working on both their contingencies and roster. Olympus hints at Xigbar's true disposition, Monstropolis details how Vanitas returned and reveals to Sora that he's connected to him and Ven, Caribbean plants the seeds for Vexen's double cross. It's not stellar but it kicks the shit out of KH2.
>>739985402When you put in Kingdom Hearts 3 and realized just playing Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2 told you nothing about the storyYou needed to play 1.2.5.3.6.Q Rebirth Rebortion Turbo Mix Final Dip Drop Dance and the Exclusive 30 Minute Tamogachi game that doesnt exist to understabd why Eeore is now Darth Vaders cousin who was in college with Dark Mickey
>>739992107>The whole Nobody and Heartless concept didn't help eitherIt's relatively simple, but the naming of each does nothing but confuse things. Heartless are hearts consumed by darkness, not beings without hearts. Nobodies are what's left over when the heart leaves a body, an echo that remembers what it was like when it was a complete being with a heart, a husk without a soul that does its best to pretend it has a soul. Shit doesn't start getting stupid until BBS, everything up to and including KH2 and I guess 358/2 was pretty consistent if you kept your bearings.
>>740002496They went overboard with the nobody's, like namine Roxas were good idea, but now there's like multiple nobody's of people.
>>739985402Im on my 4th attempt at stomaching my way through kh3I just finished poos book and now I have to do the Big Hero 6 world (didnt watch) and its boring as hell.I hope the game gets good soon
CoM yeahfirst game is "yeah there's an evil final fantasy researcher man who got too close to the heartless or something" CoM dives head first into convoluted bullshit immediately
It's all fucking bad.
>>740003038kys
Kingdom Hearts always took itself way too seriously for what it was. If it had embraced the cheesy, goofy premise, it could have been a fun novelty for a game or two, but it doubled down and appealed to the absolute worst kind of people (smelly weebs who are also "Disney kids") and turned into one of the cringiest and most disgusting pieces of media ever conceived.
>>740003001Granted, it been a while, but what? CoM barely have a story, it's literally just "group of assholes want to erase Sora's memories to manipulate him", even the Disney worlds barely have any story, they're just a KH1 recap.
>>740003145>IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN IRONY POISONED SLOP!kys
>Trips once>Fucking dies
The people who complain about the series have never played it.>>740003145You especially have to kill yourself.
>>740003323Is this the 3rd soul inside of Sora?
>>739990953Yeah, that's what weight of numbers does. A group of children can beat a power lifter in a tug of war
>>740002613I gotcha. I pretend everything after KH2 and 358/2 isn't real, it just gets too messy and loose with the metaphysics. KH2 added onto KH with things that didn't exist yet, but it was pretty respectful in doing so, the established Nobodies made sense and were simply a consequence of the Heartless, what happened after they got erased via Keyblade was never a consideration, they just disappeared. Only specific cases of Nobodies rejoining their hearts are Roxas to Sora and Namine to Kairi, and they were both special cases who didn't need their Nobodies to return to life after their hearts were restored. Nobodies being able to grow their own hearts is what really mucked things up.
The other thing is that KHfags get SO fucking titty twisted and defensive whenever someone dares to criticize their shitty little game. The frothing at the mouth temper tantrum looked really gay and pathetic when you were 14. It looks ESPECIALLY gay and pathetic now that you're well into middle age.
>>740001494Them being essentially the same people as their nobody selves is so retarded as well. Completely ruins the dramatic crux of the plot of KH2.
>>740003798No one shits on KH more than KH fans tho
>>740003801So much so I think Nomura even forgets they're supposed to be different characters and has the real humans still wear the cloaks
>>739990953>Sora vs 1000 stronger heartless: pretty easy>Sora vs 1000 weakest heartless: get fucked
>>740003439no he's the shopkeeper at least until cid steals his job
Kingdom sharts was always gay and i never understood how people enjoy this disney babyslopTruly a product for the disney adult, most fans are obese white liberals
>>740003145Retard, it did fully embrace the goofyness, that's what taking itself seriously is.You cringing because Sora isn't winking at you so you know you can laugh because an external force regulated your emotions for you, is you taking yourself too seriously. Faggot.
>>740004146surely you will understand one day saar
>>740004287You're shilling disneyslop and calling me a jeet?-500 izaat
>>739993124>but a guy named Xehanort instead who was apprentece to the real Ansem!and then even THAT turns out to be a nesting doll of fake identities since he's actually a super ancient keyblade master, so when the fuck did he have time to turn young again and work for ansem? considering the timeline wasn't the ansem research shit not even that long ago?
>>739990641Nomura is like Yoko Taro (they are friends) he expects you to know all the lore.I hope you know about every single Accord appearance outside of D3
>>740004059It's much much bigger. Take a look at the aerial shot of it prior to the cutscene where everyone is fucked It's way bigger than It's gameplay counter part
>>740004614It was 10 years ago relative to KH1. Kairi arrived 8 or 9 years ago, so really Xehanort kind fucked up the place in one year
>>740004557you are even gayer than the disney shit you hate, impressive
>>740004732Right, but he was being an evil old asshole setting up the events of BBS around then, so how could he also be fucking up Ansem's research, had he already cloned himself or something?
>>7399854023D, idk why anyone thinks the earlier one were a mess since it was pretty straightforward.But 3D started to introduce random nonsense and at the same time gave me some line deliveries like "darkness within darkness" or whatever I'll be fond of.To this day there's that boss Riku fights which nobody has any clue who the fuck it was.KH3 I thought was ruined by expectations, it was fun to play without attractions and I guess TAV & RAX got a good resolution.
>>739987116>Lance Bass, an ex-N Sync, voicing fucking SephirothWell, that was a weird choice
I've been playing the series and the story is very straightforward. Even without 358/2 days and BBS, it's a very easy to understand plot. Are you guys just stupid?
>>740005067No me am retarded
>>740005067people who make post like this this aren't actually thinking about what's happening
>>740005067In no way is 3D straightforward, especially all the cutscenes before and after the final boss.
>>7400052233D is where the series legitimately jumped the shark. The plot was fine until that and the mobile game threw in a bunch of bullshit
I managed to follow the gist of the story (and thats even considering i started playing CoM first, then KH1, because i couldn't emulate it yet), but after Birth by Sleep i simply gave up. Like, i understood and everything, but it simply got too ridiculousAnd although i had fun along the way, i'll always prefer the simpler combat of KH1 and CoM rather than the "press Triangle for awesome" and "do a 30-hit aerial combo with fireworks" combat from KH2 onwards
>>740004835BBS was 10 years ago this was explicitly said in game
>>740005389yes... that's what i said anon. Ansem's research 10 years agoBBS also 10 years agoXehanort is in both of these, one as a young researcher, and the other as an old man. His Heartless and nobody haven't been born yet, so he's ALREADY cloned himself apparently
>>739986579>which didn't really work because they didn't commit hard enough to the stupidity of it all,Wtf are you talking about? The delivery was 100% genuine and straight, 0 hint of irony, literally by the second game you were getting lectures about friendship from Winnie the Pooh.OR you wanted for it to be ironic?
>>740004894I still say BBS, 3D is where the Nobody recombining with their Heartless mess solidified, but BBS began prying open that can of worms with Xehanort being introduced as a proper villain for the future. He was fine as Ansem's apprentice in KH2, as by that time people who got turned into Heartless/Nobodies were still irreversibly dead except in special cases like Sora and Kairi. Not to mention the whole artificial Keyblade thing.
>>739985402>When did Kingdom Hearts plot definitively jump the shark?when they reached the parking lot
>>740000308Yeah i get they werent very popular, i enjoyed them well enough and actually had a lot of fun doing coordinated raid events with a party in UXDark road as a live service was dookie, now thats its totally free to play and complete its a bit more enjoyable but still not very good gameplay. the story was worth it though in my opinion. Also just so theres no ambiguity i do mean Bragi (pic related), not Braig, who we know he also possesses at some later unknown point in timeMissing link cancellation was disappointing but not surprising, i just hope they find some other way to tell the story that was planned, which likely had info on the backstory of luxord and demyx, plus more details about ephemer as leader of their society after the war and whatever the fuck Brain's plans were
>>740005630DOOL WELD
The writing in KH3 is terrible. The entire game feels like a clusterfuck. None of the plot makes sense, and the character motivations are all inconsistent.
>>739986579Filtered by kinoKh1 and kh2 are amazing Played them back to back three months ago, lit as fuck Kh2 final boss literally had me screaming ABSOLUTE CINEMA, heard xemnas hyped for years and he didnt disappoint
>>740005727Zebraman? Really?
>>740005541BBS didn't really introduce any major new concepts that were hard to grasp.Body hopping was already a thing since KH1. Body creation and splitting was also already a thing with Heartless/nobodies and so on.3D introduced:>Time travel>Dream eaters>Sleeping worlds>Characters resurrecting after their halves died>Yet to be explained concepts>Return of past villainsAnd last but not least>The sigil of the recusant or whatever it was called
okay i believe you
3 effectively killed the series for me
The entire concept of this series is fucking retarded fanfiction, it jumped the shark on its very conception inside some moron's head. If Kingdom Hearts was just the Final Fantasy half of KH then at least it would be cool cringe with great aesthetics, themes and music. Instead you have an embarrassing Disney stitched-up abomination which you can't take seriously.
>>739997617LmaoI raughed
>>739985402Dont know dont careBUTWHICH WORLDS ARE COMING TO KH4, ANONS?
>>740006175Star Wars and....
Something something friendship, something something light, something something darkness, something something kingdom hearts, something something nobodies, something something heartless, something something the organization. There I explained the plot.
>>740006175Anon you’re almost 40, time to stop being a KH fan. It’s just weird at this point.
>>740006432Im 20...
>>740006432>Almost 40.Most KH fans are in their 20's or early 30's.You want some actual 40+ uncs check on the guys begging for Final Fantasy to have more of a presence in this IP
>>740006175not my world. either retcon the disaster that was 3, and make it again, or i wont be returning.i cant believe i actually spent hours of my life caring about this series when i was younger. all for it to lead up to the dumpster fire that was 3.
>>740006460Even worse, quit while you’re ahead, before troonster audience claims you.
>>740006432only one new proper KH game came out in the last 14 years
>>739992078Whoooo???
>>740006432>being a disney fan any point after 10 years old
>>739985402Dude, it's literally "Jump the Shark"-the videogame
>>739985402For me it was when I was some dumb kid playing through KH2 on my PS2 and when I finished it I thought "wow organization XIII is so badass! but what happened to other half of the members that weren't even in the game?"And then I learned that my options to get the rest of the story were to do all of the following:a) buy a fucking card game on the GBAb) import a japanese copy of final mix and learn japaneseAnd then I realized that actually this story blows dog cocks and never played another KH game, and especially never cared about the story anymoreKH 1 and 2 were still fun though
>>740006707After scanning the thread a bit, one of the useless cronies that die for free is the ultra evil puppet master?Oh sure okay.
Man I dont know what the new Disney movies are about.It really ruins the game when you have to experience them.
>>740006770Waiting until 2014 to release the Final Mix version of KH2 to the west was one of the dumbest decisions Square has made. It should have released with 3 years of the original KH2.
Here's your world no one asked for rep /v/
>>739985451You really shouldn't have betrayed us.
>>740006930No one wished for*
>>740006432Unfortunately you do not magically stop liking the things you like or enjoying the hobbies you enjoy as you get older. Abandoning them just out of some sense of 'I'm too old for this' is in fact the cucked option.KH jumped the shark in DDD by the way.
At this point I firmly believe Xigbar/Luxu is carrying this franchise.Even if the Luxu reveal was an asspull, it's just pure kino and the perfect excuse to keep him around.
What is even the order to play these games? Are they ALL required?
>>739985402Xigbar/Braig/Luxu is my favorite.
>>740007017>At this point I firmly believe Xigbar/Luxu is carrying this franchise.Nigga I have no interest in any of these chuckle fucks
>>740007072Just play in order of release
>>740007072>What is even the order to play these games?Release order>Are they all required.At least 70% of them are.Play 1, maybe play CoM but at least read a summary, play 2, play BBS, maybe play days or at least read a summary, read a summary of coded, play DDD. Maybe play 0.2 or just watch the cutscenes. Read a summary of Chi/Union Cross and the Chi Movie, play KH3 and Remind, watch the Dark Road cutscenes because that game's plot gets really funny when they realized they needed to rush it, read a summary of Melody of Memory.That's more or less everything you need to do for KH4.
>>740007072>>740007180Birth By Sleep, Kingdom Hearts 1, Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, Kingdom Hearts 2.
>>740007256>Birth By Sleep, Kingdom Hearts 1retard
Neveranyone who can't understand it is the exact same level of retarded as it has always been is blinded by nostalgia
>>740007274Hey I'm going by story order.
>>740007256You should play in release order as thats how the games were designed to be played. And not chronological order.
>>740007240>watch the Dark Road cutscenes because that game's plot gets really funny when they realized they needed to rush it
>>740007481Fuck it, just go crazy and play it in that order instead, it's probably a wild trip.
>>739985458TPBP.>>739985402First one.>YOU'RE RIGHT, I KNOW NOW: KINGDOM HEARTS™...>...>...IS LIGHT!
Retards really overstate how "convoluted" the plot of Kingdom Hearts is. Jaded cunts will miss out on kino because they're afraid someone online will call them a faggot.
>>740007710>webm>that quotePure cringe-chuuni-kino, love it.
>>7399854023's dlc because i havent played it
>>739985402KH2. Some could argue CoM, but honestly aside from the VAGUE POSTING (all that CoM does at the end of the day) CoM is not too convoluted, it is slipping up with reducing the importance of Disney Worlds into Filler, but no real THE moment for me.>Go up tower, Do Disney World, Lose memories, Some Witch Replaced Kairi with herself, Snooze to repair them.In fact i'll say the definitive moment was the "Ackshully Ansem is Xehanort!" Reveal (Read as: Retcon)Now that does not mean that KH2 is a bad game (it is not), but it is what defined what the plot would turn into from there on out.
>>740007072Release order.The only optional one is re:coded.
>>740007918People laud the "Your body submits, your heart succumbs—" quote, and it is extremely good, but I love the pottery beforehand of Terranort echoing the quote from Ansem in KH1 before this scene
>>739985402I still don't understand why Nomura needed Disney for his epic story.
>>740008639Well he likes Disney movies and saw his chance to make a game about visiting them then it kinda blew up and he went with it
>>740008621That's also kino
>>740008639He wasn't planning on directing this series, but allegedly the dev team urged him to take the reins.So when he just did what he thought was cool, which went way better than anyone expected.Then he got the opportunity the write the epic story he actually wanted to write untill he didn't which he copes about to this day.
>"Young man! I do not believe you ever told me your name."
>>7400082400.2 is also pretty skippable... but it's like 2 hours to beat, so might as well play it.
>>7400096240.2 is a tech demo and based on the cancelled BBS sequel that was teased at the end of BBS
>>740006175Quadratum and Olympus are confirmed.Revisits to Toy Box and Arendelle are likely, to tie in with Toy Story 5 and Frozen 3.I think we are due another visit to Agrabah too, the massively popular live action remake of Aladdin was the introduction for many zoomers (as sad as that is to say).100 Acre Wood might return again, it's been in every mainline game so far, but maybe Sora is too old now.New worlds: Moana 100%, just too big of an IP not to, and it'll replace the Caribbean as the ocean world. Inside Out is also likely.In terms of my personal desire, I want to see Traverse Town again and I also want another visit to Pride Lands.
Planning to replay the series (I last played when DDD came out and never touched 3), If I wanted to experience Days and Re:Coded, which is better the DS games or the movies? (Also, CoM GBA or PS2?)
>>739993720Half of the organization dies in CoM.
>>740009624It was supposed to be the roxas/destiny island intro for kh3 so I think it should be played for that reason alone.Honestly I am still kinda miffed they just cut it out of the game to pad out a third hd collection.Though it did give us zodiac aqua which was the best super boss since the kh2 data fights.
>>739995110We still don't even know if that's actually her or what. Keep in mind Laurian and Elrena were trying to leave Data Daybreak Town with Strelitzia's data to bring her back, but then the Marluxia/Larxene phase of their lives happened. I have to assume they're going to explain it by saying Vexen first did a test of the puppets using Strelitzia's data but it failed, then Terranort used the puppet to see if he could access Quadratum but also failed, and what we see now is that they both succeeded but Lauriam and Elrena only just remembered their goal to use her data to resurrect her so they have no idea she's in Quadratum.
>>740009721>Toy Story 5 plot in Kingdom HeartsYeah, I'm checking out of this franchise. Knowing the script for that movie, they'd have to do another original plot or it would be the most boring world to come out of Kingdom Hearts in existence.
>>740009748I think 358/2 days is ass top to bottom, but the movie feels really disjointed so play it on standard or easy and skip as many missions as possible.Re:coded is not even worth watching if you're not gonna play it.Literally the only thing it has going for it is the gameplay.Gba com>ps2 CoM all day every day.
>>739997440>WHO?Lol. Lmao.
>>740009721aladdin always sucked as did all of the "classic" disney filmsive never understood the reverence for disney films, the only disney movie i liked even as a kid was cars
I just want darklings to return in another game
>>740009721The way they treated 100 acre wood in 3 pissed me off almost as much as the Twilight "Town" visit
>>739986791A "leaker" said news in August
>>740009721>Frozen 3...Huh?! Why?!
>>740006175Star Wars and Marvel
>>740010321I can see them want to do Frozen again just to "do it right" since it is probably one of the most disliked worlds for how it was handled in 3.>>740010391Honestly i can probably just see a summon or one off character in an Original World rather then a whole world for them.
>>740006432All KH fans are in their early 20s at most
>>740009721>Pride LandsHow about NO
I love how the whole premise of Final Fantasy X Disney that sold people on the game isn't even seen through to the end in the first game, much less any of the later games.
>>740006175This is just a guess based on vibes, but I think it will be>Frozen again (Frozen 3 is in the work)>Maleficent (they are making a new movie, and I think Nomura will take it as a chance to make Maleficent actually relevant or just write her off the plot)>Hercules again (just because)>Star Wars >Moana (It's one of Disney's biggest recent hits)>Zootopia (same as Moana)>Incredibles (Incredibles 3 coming out this year)>Coco (It did well, and it thematically fit)
>>740010584Who is the lion between simba's daughter and timon/pumba.I only remember simba's daughter and Scar's son
>>740010503No, my question is why the fuck Disney making another sequel to Frozen?
Imagine a Disney reference to THIS
>>740010717Frozen and Spider-Man are two franchises that will never die, especially with how much money Disney makes off YouTube copyright swiping ad revenue.
>>739985402It was goofy shit up to 2, but still comprehensible. After 2 is when it starts to get convoluted and bad with the plot and characters.
>>739985402As soon as you get control of Sora in KH2 the entire franchise starts a downward dive that it never fully recovers from. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING prior to that ranges from great to outstanding.
>>739985402Retconning in nobodies and padding out the antagonist cast with a million shallow sameface Nomura designs. KH2 gets away with it because it's a great game, but it introduced all the cancer that ruined the series.BBS being The Phantom Menace of KH, and DDD randomly adding in time travel certainly didn't help either.
>>740010717Look anon, i know you probably hate it, but Frozen hit HARD with its target audience and Elsa is basically like Cinderella for Early Gen Alpha girls. Of fucking course Disney gonna milk it.
>>740010703A series-only character post the 2nd movie, for some reason it also appears in this poster
>>739985402It's actually a really smart idea to summon 12 copies of yourself from alternate timelines and build an unstoppable Organization made entirely of yourself.
>>740010747>filenamelmao
>>740011186They just retconned the lion king series into the poster?Because I am pretty sure lion king 2 predates the series by a decade or two unless there was another series besides timon and pumba/lion guard.Weird
>>740007615>can't count posts>reddit spacingYup, it's newfag time
Would you believe this motherfucking film it's also from Disney? Early years were weirdIf you ever have the chance, watch it anons, it's actually amazing and it will probably never appear in Kingdom Hearts
>>740010747Never seen this movie why did it get memoryholed so hard?
>>739999746Honestly, it's one of the better things of the series; a good amount of good looking armors and a good amount of enemy designs (visually)
>>740011334TL;DR: The Framing Device is an old Black Slave (Uncle Remus) in the south telling stories to White Kids. I can't remember but i think there is some shit about the origin of the stories too.
>>740011334something something problematic black people representation. Old south folklore can be like thatWhich is funny because years later they made The Princess and the Frog and it didn't get as much shit as this
>>740011290Pretty sure that's an edit.
>>740006175Return of the Jedi confirmed by AT-AT foot in the trailer.Underworld and/or Olympus from the trailer too. Herc is pretty much a intrinsic part of KH now.Mary Poppins was teased in that canceled mobile game so I dont know if that'll mean anything.
>>740011753>Return of the Jedi confirmed by AT-AT foot in the trailer.Where?
>>740011669Uh, maybe it has something to do with the fact that Princess and the Frog is an uplifting story that doesn't feature supremely racist caricatures? Are you dumb?
>>740011753>>740010653>Olympus YET AGAINPlease let Danny deVito and James Woods alone for fucks sake (unless they AI their voices or something)And anyway, what would the plot even be about?
My only complaint with KH is the studio/company are having a hard time adapting to modern game design. Initially, Kingdom Hearts was ahead of the curve in the 2000s in a lot of ways but the post PS3 era of gaming is such a big shift from the 2000s that they spent years just figuring what they were going to do. I think the current studio/company has a good idea of what is now but they still need to catch up in terms of efficiency and modern game mechanics
This one scene in pitch black darkness is all the Olympus you're gonna get
>>740012004The teaser shows goofy and donald looking for hades, hes an expert on the afterlife so they are probably there to ask for help for his help to find sora
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>>740012004Phill will remain silent out of respect for his dead japanese voice actor
>>740006175if they dont have the balls to do at least one world based in a final fantasy or other square enix title's world i am done with this franchisethe earth of Nier, Ivalice, Gran Pulse, Spira, Midgar, vii's world, anything
>>740012090IT'S A ROCK
>>740012004That's the neat thing about Olympus, They don't need a plot just THE GAAAAAAMESSSS.
>>740012004>Please let Danny deVito and James Woods alone for fucks sakeJames Woods adores playing Hades and he just recently stated he was in a recording studio and specifically replied to someone talking about KH.https://x.com/RealJamesWoods/status/2056117007523909671https://x.com/RealJamesWoods/status/2045664455879778641I seem to recall him being happy about Kingdom Hearts as a whole.
>>740012097I just want a jack garland boss fight.When you beat him make a reaction command that acts like a soul burst to finish him off.
>>740012204Not surprised.James woods really loves the character and kh gives him an excuse to play him again.
>>740012004Well story wise, everyone is going to be trying to look for Sora after he 'died' in place of Kairi in KH3. Hades is the king of the underworld and can ressurect people who have died in other worlds/universes so it makes complete sense for Hercules to come back in KH4. Whether it will be a playable world or just part of the cut scenes like world of darkness in KH3, who really knows.
>>740011995Did you miss the whole part where the villain is a black conman who uses ooga booga tribal savage voodoo?
>>740012204James Woods is a legend for sticking with the character for so long, but he sounded fucking ROUGH in KH3. It’s only going to get worse.
Do you have any hope for the story of kh4 being decent?Nomura did say that he wants kh4 to be a relatively clean slate(or as clean as kh can be) and snatched up the neo twewy writer to write it.
>>740012379>villainYes cornball that is correctAre you putting the pieces together now broski?Unc failed to basic media comprehensionYou hate to see it fr fr
>>740011926>>740012090Pretty confident that one comment Nomura made a few years ago at the KH orchestra about something happening recently for the future of the series, is about Star Wars. Or some agreement with Disney about IPs that can be used, or maybe about the ways the IPs can be used.For all 25 years, they were never allowed to have Disney characters from certain IPs interact with other IPs so maybe the big thing is the lifting of that rule. Or it could just be simply that they have been given the green light to use stuff like Star Wars
>>740012576I wonder how they would do it.Because a death star gummi ship mission and darth vader super boss with duel of fate would be so fucking baller eventhough I am not a star wars fan
>>739985458This, it was jumping the shark pretty much right out the gate.
>>740012379Yes, and the heroes are also black. Why would anyone care about that in comparison to a movie that acknowledged slavery was a thing? Like, I don't even care either way about the slavery thing personally, but anyone can tell why one is controversial while the other isn't.
>>740012576we finally get to bring party members out of their worlds like when jack skellington wanted to travel with sora? holy shit
>>740012556Good morning
>>740012131Norvrandt would be fun and probably "the right size" for a World, but it would only work for people familiar with it. Plus Not a Nomura game so not a chance in hell.For people who knows jack all about FFXIV, it's the "LIGHT BAD, DARK GOOD!" world and setting for Shadowbringers.
>>739985402So what's this guy deal? It has been years since I last played KH2 and I still don't get it
>>739985402I think the plot is fucked already in KH1 by virtue of not explaining what Kingdom Hearts actually is, and even 10 games later we still don't really knowYou can't base the entire plot and even the damn title on a concept and then never tell the player what it is or what it does, it completely invalidates the villain's motives and by extension the protagonist's. Xehanort makes only slightly more sense because his shtick is focused on forging the X-blade and is less about the Kingdom Hearts
Wonderland world. But Alice is 50 years old hag now
>>740012916He's in it for the longest of cons
>>740012916hes got a big box that his master farted into a couple millenia ago and hes gonna open it in soras face lol XD
>>740012995I am pretty sure Kingdom hearts is like the great spirit in shaman king.It's a large collection of hearts where every heart goes to once they die and come from when they reincarnate.
>>740012995>by virtue of not explaining what Kingdom Hearts actually isThat was the point anon. Let's cut away all the shit in other games and stick to KH1 and KH1 only. >Big scientist king dude was science, makes the science conclusion that KINGDOM HEARTS (Heart of all Worlds!) is darkness (Evil).>Young plucky kid with faith insists that KINGDOM HEARTS is LIGHT (Goodness).>Young kid with faith in the innate goodness of the world is Right without needing to KNOW about it.>The young kid is rewarded with the Scientist King getting nuked by Light when he expected a Darkness powerboost.By wanting to explain Kingdom Hearts you are being an Ansem. :^) It is the Heart of the setting and is accordingly miraculous and nebulous, wanting to explain it misses the point.
Mickey Mouse in a trenchcoat and hood.
>>739990953This I fully appreciate. The Heartless are the problem. Yeah Xehanort is their boss, but he's just a single really strong guy, in their true girth, the heartless are a mass if darkness that will plunge the universe into destruction
>>739985402I might get some hate for it but I honestly don't even think the story ever picked up enough to even jump the shark. I don't think it was ever particularly good. But I also don't think it needed to beSquare enix characters were cool, disney characters were cool - lets just put them in situations that pay homage and have cool moments with them and then you fight the darkness and shit. That's literally all anyone needed it to be, and the gameplay was fun enough, who cares about another jrpg plotTrying to actually make sense of it sounds like a nightmare, and the people autistic enough to get a thorough understanding of KH story are doing that much work for what is probably like a 4/10 story at best.
>>740004912and they got a guy who had never voice acted before from general hospital to do cloud
>>740012718For years I imagined a KH2 Star Wars world based on A New Hope. The first visit would have the Gummi Ship pulled in by the Death Star's tractor beam and cover up until Obi Wan's death and the second visit would be a Gummi Ship version of the trench run, complete with Heartless versions of Tie Fighters.
>>740012441>legend for stickingWhile true, he also had in that, in his contract with the movie, he would voice every instance of Disney Hades
>>739996551Yeah I've beaten all the mainline KH games and have to say the bosses are the best part. Gotta admit though KH3 filtered me on those REmind bosses. I thought KH games even on critical was not too hard then those REmind bosses had me stuck for hours. Just imaging doing that shit again with all Pro codes or at level 1 makes me angry.
>>740016404>While true, he also had in that, in his contract with the movie, he would voice every instance of Disney HadesIsn't that something he himself included, because he didn't want anyone else to voice the character?
>>740017291I think I could do lvl 1 would be doable if it weren't for fact that I absolutely need once more and second chance to carry my ass.
>>740017337Yes, which is why I said "he also had" instead of just saying his contract mandated him to do it
>>739987062This for me. The story is complicated, but honestly still completely comprehensible, until BBS.
>>740012995Kingdom hearsts is the door that kills ansem SoD in KH1. He made the alliance with disney to get to the dark realm or whatever through the door. But he got killed by light cuz he didn't understand it. The one in 2 is a artificial copy the org made,probably based on the door from Ansem SoD.
>>7399854022, then again with BBS, then again with DDD Yeah it managed to jump the shark 3 times
>>740011210Fucking kek
You know, I always thought the two ansems were the same person, just with some stupid nobody shadow reverse clone time travel heartless shit.
>>740019135It would have explained a lot if Ansem the Seeker and Ansem the Wise were the original Ansem's Heartless and Nobody.
>>740011508I really need to get around to re-watching it, because I can't actually remember if it's racist (which would be funny) or just features a black dude that was slave (incidental)
>>740012857Nomura made Gaia though, didn't he? She's his type, so there's at least a non-zero chance she shows up as a random world-less character. Novrandt itself would be too cool for Nomura though.
>>740019375It's POST slavery. It was written by a super progressive of the era thinking back to his childhood, and the slave/servants who raised his rich white plantation ass, and the warm stories they told. Of course nowadays it looks too much like slavery so, it has to go with aunt jemima, uncle ben and eskimo pies.
>>740019635>It's post slavery>it takes place with the co-narrator remembering a time during slavery>it looks too much like slaveryWell hey thanks for your stupid world view turning your post into practically unreadable slop, but I guess I'll have to actually go check out the movie to see what's going on.
>>740019834Maybe I'll throw in 'jacks and frogs to make it less readable next time. The setting of the work is antebellum. The co writer lived during slavery, and the stories were told to him by black people during his childhood. The people bitching say it looks too much like slavery.
KEYBLADE!
>>740020941Aqua passTerra no pass
>>739985402So how are the Disney worlds supposed to fit into the new one? If Quadratum is supposed to be separate from the original KH reality, then Sora probably isn't using the gummi ship to travel to other planetoids.
Nomura is/was a good artist. Shouldn't be directing stories though.
>>740021712>Shouldn't be directing stories though.Stranger of Paradise made it more than clearNomura is not the problem with Kingdom Hearts' story.
>>740006175MoanaCocoInside OutStar WarsWho Framed Roger Rabbit?
>>739985402never. KH was always kino
>>739985402Kh2, when they introduced all the ocs and dropped a bunch of lore out of nowhere. 1 is the only good kh.
>>740023305nope, 2 and 3 has better combat. kill yourself
>>740021526These new ones apparently aren't, really. The new universe is more of an excuse to include Marvel and Star Wars without having to explain why the top players from those worlds weren't in the rest of the games.
>>739992107It's weird how these franchises innately attract autists, but they always fixate on shit that doesn't really matter.Most KH games don't really need you to play every game in the franchise to get them. There's connected story beats, but it hardly matters much at all to the MAIN story of the game in question. The sole exception is really Kingdom Hearts 3. KH1, 2, CoM, BBS, 358, etc., they all add to an overarching story but they all have a core story focus outside that. Even something as incestuous as DDD is as disconnected from what came before it as it is to what comes after. Most of what you need to really "know" is able to be understood by just playing and assuming as you go, which is how most people experience most new things. I think this whole obsession with explanations and "going in order" is really ruining media for people.Back in the day, The Monogatari Series released non-chronologically, which made it look like this>Bakemonogatari (Third in timeline)>Nisemonogatari (Fourth)>Neko Kuro (Second)>Second Season (Fifth, Seventh, Ninth, and Thirteenth in timeline)>Tsukimonogatari (Tenth)>Owarimonogatari (starts with Eighth, proceeds to Sixth)>Kizumonogatari (First in timeline)>Koyomimonogatari (Happens across the entire series)>Owarimonogatari Ge (Eleventh)>Zoku Owarimonogatari (Twelfth) And this is a story heavy drama (for teenagers). Kingdom Hearts is way sillier and honestly way less story heavy. You don't need to play CoM to "get" KH2, because the most confusing part of KH2 isn't even in CoM. 358 adds additional info to KH2, but again, you don't need it. These games exist on their own and function perfectly fine on their own.
>>740023876A few added things>Nobody needed to know all the narrative and character drama leading up to Resident Evil 5, which is the 13th canonical game in its series, and despite that it's the most popular one and everyone innately understood the conflicts at hand>Metal Gear Solid is the third game in its series and was the conclusion to Snake's character journey from the MSX games, and the vast majority of people played it as their introduction to both the series and that character>Castlevania SOTN is a direct sequel to an existing game and its entire story is about the fallout from that game, but said game wasn't even translated when SOTN released>the vast, vast, VAST majority of people started with Dragon Ball Z, a series that follows on 153 episodes of story and character development, and were perfectly fine adjusting to that with literally no issue whatsoeverAnd so on and so on. All of these series have about as much if not more narrative and character focus as KH, but nobody ever really says "You need to start from this point otherwise it won't make sense!", because it's all bullshit. All fandom noise, trying to make the 'perfect first experience', probably coming from people who didn't even play in that order. I fucking skipped CoM, 358, and Coded because they SUCKED and WEREN'T FUN TO PLAY. Gave them a few hours, hated how the DS made my hands feels, and stopped, and it didn't really effect how fucking awful DDD was as a story.
>>740023408Games are more than just combat.
>>740021832>Stranger of Paradise made it more than clearCan we stop trying to meme that SoP isn't just as silly as KH
>>739985402This was honestly pure cringekino.
>>740021832Wasn't the main writer for SoP Nojima?
Did the new cancelled mobile game have any lore?
Kingdom Hearts, can you give me some darkness pretty please? I was a good boy.
>>739985402Here.
>>740024545>Coded because they SUCKED and WEREN'T FUN TO PLAYCoded was pure ludo.All my homies are bug busters.https://youtu.be/eOV06gIq170?si=n889l4j0cOspw2-G
>>740026760Stranger of Paradise is a Kingdom Hearts game without Disney characters. And surprise surprise, like everyone who had been asking for "Kingdom Hearts game without Disney characters" had been saying, it worked and was incredible
The real problem is that Nomura just uses the franchise as a sandbox to recreate games he either already made or got booted from. For the entire Xehanort saga, KH was essentially Final Fantasy 8. Nomura was the main character designer for FF8 and had huge story input, so he just ported those concepts over.Ultimecia sends her consciousness through time to possess sorceresses as shells. Xehanort does the exact same thing to possess thirteen vessels.Riku being corrupted by an evil witch, exactly like Seifer.Dream Drop Distance introduces a strict bootstrap paradox. You can only travel to where a version of you exists and you cannot alter history. That is exactly FF8's plot with Squall going back to give Edea the idea for SeeD.FF8 relies on Squall and Rinoa meeting each other while looking at shooting stars. KH literalizes this with Wayfinders and stars acting as symbols of fate and friendship.Even the mobile game rips off FF8. The Dandelions are child soldiers who have their memories intentionally wiped to spare them from trauma. That is literally just the GF orphanage plot twist. Also, SeeD = Dandelions.Then KH3 happened and Nomura completely shifted gears to his new obsession. Square took Versus 13 away from him and turned it into FFXV, and he clearly never got over it.He put a fake game called Verum Rex in KH3 that is a shot for shot remake of the 2006 Versus trailer. The main character is Yozora, meaning Night Sky in Japanese. Noctis means Light of the Night Sky. It is literally just Noctis.The original Versus 13 tagline was a fantasy based on reality. Now Sora is trapped in Quadratum, a realistic modern Tokyo described as unreality. Nomura kicked his own protagonist out of the Disney universe so he could finally make his dark urban fantasy game.The series is just a trojan horse for a director to finish his old drafts.
Around here.
>>740006175Fuck it I'll throw Hail Mary's.Parasite Eve Treasure planetStar warsIncrediblesZootopia
>>740029601>it worked and was incredibleno
>>7399854021, CoM, 2, Days was goodthen it started to become worse with BBSbecame completly retarded with DDD and the mobile slop
>>739992107but it's kinda fitting to play kh 1 then kh2 as Sora having skipped COM cause he doesnt remember it LOL nomura cooked
>>740029873The thing with Nomura and the KH series is that he volunteered to direct it, and there was already some bad blood between Squaresoft and Disney at the time. So the KH series exists because Nomura stood up to Disney on behalf of Squaresoft/Square Enix. He has genuinely great ideas and is a genuinely talented director, but he's been tied down to the KH series, mostly by Disney and their own demands.
>>740030040It was incredible.You're chaos.
>>739985402The first game was the only one that had the simplicity of an anime styled coming of age story that just happened to have Disney inspired subplots thrown in. By the time they expected you to have played Chain of Memories to understand KH2 most people were already getting lost. And it's weird how the Final Fantasy characters were the closest thing we had to a proper cast of secondary characters only for them to slowly get phased out of the series.
>>740030273That maybe, but once you look at the dialogue in KH3 ReMind, it stops being a simple easter egg and becomes a direct airing of grievances against Square Enix management. When you fight Yozora, he outright tells Sora that his body has been changed beyond recognition and he is currently trapped in a vessel that is not his own. People think this is just standard Kingdom Hearts body swapping lore, but it is actually Nomura venting. Yozora is Noctis. Nomura is having his character look at the camera and say that his original identity was stolen and altered into something he does not recognize. This is exactly what happened when Tabata took over FF15 and changed Noctis into a completely different protagonist. Then you have the Nameless Star in the Final World. Sora talks to her and she explains that her identity, her name, and her entire existence were stripped away from her by a "somebody." We already know she is Stella Nox Fleuret, the original heroine of Versus 13. The reason she has no name and lost her physical form in the KH universe is because her character was entirely deleted from FF15 and replaced by Luna. The somebody who took her existence away is literally just Square executives.Nomura turned the biggest Disney crossover on the planet into a massive meta commentary about corporate theft. He lost his dream game, so he wrote a story where his original characters are canonically dead and trying to reclaim their stolen bodies.
>>740030613damn thats crazy
>>739992107Roxas' story was perfectly fine without 358/2 Days and that new OC who was friends with the most important characters.In fact, that game's writing is so stunted not even KH3 could ruin it more and purely focussed on CoM, BBS and even KHUX instead.
>>740030613>against Square Enix management.You missed what he said about Disney
>>740029601>asking for "Kingdom Hearts game without Disney characters"Those retards have spent 20 years whining instead of moving on
>>740031240I agree with him, but whatever problem he had originally with Disney, his grievances now is with SE itself.
>>740031269Well, no, we finally got Stranger of Paradise, and it was amazing. Obviously nowhere near Nomura's true potential, given that it's a budget spin-off, and yet despite it all, it was amazing. >>740031317LOL
>>740002192I don't, these two alone were awful, not Frozen or Big Hero 6 bad, but still
>>740031317Nomura kept what he had to say about Disney subtle, so it would go over the heads of people like (You), Disney shill.
>>740006376hmm, something's amiss here
>>740029873The FF8 DNA was baked into KH1 from the start.Look at Destiny Islands. It is literally just Edea's seaside orphanage. A group of fated children playing by the ocean before getting dragged into a cosmic war. The heavy focus on destiny is a direct pull from FF8's main theme Liberi Fatali, which translates to Fated Children.The main rivalry is just Squall and Seifer painted over. Sora casually rests the Keyblade over his shoulder exactly the same way Squall carries his gunblade. Riku is a direct copy of Seifer. He is the edgy rival who gets manipulated and corrupted by an evil witch. Maleficent plays the exact same narrative role for Riku that Ultimecia played for Seifer. Riku even uses Seifer's exact one handed battle stance.Then you look at the hub worlds. Radiant Garden is just Balamb Garden. It serves the exact same narrative purpose as a centralized haven for researchers and fighters that falls apart due to internal corruption.What started as minimal visual homages and character parallels in KH1 slowly consumed the entire franchise. By the time we hit Chain of Memories and KH2, the Disney crossover aspect was entirely sidelined. The Disney worlds became literal filler episodes so Nomura could focus on ripping off FF8's most convoluted plot points. He traded the Disney magic for memory manipulation, fragmented consciousness, and time loops. The Disney crossover was just the funding he needed to write his FF8 fanfic.
>>740010115>the only disney movie i liked even as a kid was carsplease go away and never come back
>>740031527If Nomura is really just lifting the entire conceptual framework of FF8, then the chances of the Master of Masters being a time traveling Sora are incredibly high.Think about the plot point from FF8. The entire game hinges on a bootstrap paradox. Squall goes back in time and gives Edea the idea to create SeeD and Garden. Squall is literally the architect of his own story. He ensures his own past happens so he can save the future.Now look at the Master of Masters. He is a mysterious, goofy figure in a black coat who lived in the ancient past, wrote the Book of Prophecies, and orchestrated the entire Keyblade War. He manipulated his apprentices to ensure history played out in a very specific, tragic way. Why? Because the timeline has to remain intact for the future to happen.If Sora got trapped on the other side of reality in Quadratum and learned how the overarching universe works, it makes perfect sense for Nomura to pull a Squall. Future Sora travels back to the ancient past, takes on the mantle of the Master of Masters, and manipulates the foretellers. He writes the Book of Prophecies based on his own memories of the future. He ensures that a young Sora will eventually get the Keyblade, fight Xehanort, and end up in Quadratum to complete the loop.There is also the infamous Rinoa is Ultimecia theory. Even if Square denied it, it was one of the biggest talking points in the FF8 fandom for decades. A pure hearted character gets corrupted by isolation and time travel, becoming the ultimate antagonist. Nomura turning his optimistic Disney boy into the manipulative, cynical Master of Masters is exactly the kind of tragic, time bending twist he has been trying to pull off since 1999. It is the ultimate FF8 homage.
>>740031805How many clones of Sora does that make?
>>739985402Most definitively Chain of Memories. That was the game where Sora was written to forgive that shitty bitch Namine for damaging his brain and from there on out Sora became A Retarded Hero. That fucking game RUINED Sora for the remainder of the franchise. I will always hate it. Riku is the only one who escaped that shitty game unscathed. And the gameplay is ass, no I DO understand how to set up my Deck it means the game is piss easy trash with no thought put into it because most Sleights are useless.And what else is there to say? Clone Characters, Reviving Dead Characters strictly because Nomura is a hack who wants to revive dead characters to please retarded fanboys. Time Travel? And apparently thanks to Yozora we have hintings of Multiverse alternate reality shit as well. God this entire story is shit. Right now SONIC FANS are laughing at us. SONIC FANS.I can't blame anyone who grew up on Kingdom Hearts becoming burned out and turning away from this shit series because the story became sewage waste. The story is legitimately MORE terrible than Undertale YES we are going there. Even Undertale fans think of Kingdom Hearts as cringe and an embarrassment. And the gameplay is inconsistent trash.That said I'm impressed by this thread being here full of discussion. Its nice to see Kingdom Hearts admit this series was sabotaged by the shit story. And no, Disney is not to blame. It's not Frozen or new Disney films ruining Kingdom Hearts its the hack employees from Square Enix. I would sooner trust Capcom employees over shit heads from Square Enix.
>>740031902The Xehanort saga already ended with thirteen different versions of an old man fighting seven different versions of a teenager. But half of those good guys were already just Sora anyway. Roxas is Sora's nobody. Xion is a replica made of Sora's memories. Ventus slept inside his heart and looks exactly like Roxas. Vanitas is dark Ventus but looks exactly like Sora. Data Sora is literally just a computer file of Sora.If the Master of Masters is a time traveling Sora and Yozora is basically Noctis filtered through a Sora shaped lens, the logical conclusion is total protagonist singularity. Nomura is going to run out of past projects to cannibalize and will just start cannibalizing his own main character.The final battle of Kingdom Hearts is just going to be twenty different clones of Sora duking it out in a parking lot in Shibuya. The Disney logo will slowly fade onto the screen as a dozen identical spiky haired kids in oversized shoes beat each other to death with giant keys. Nomura will finally smile, knowing he has achieved absolute peak fiction.
>>740012207>cutscene of Mickey explaining how his friend Jack fell into Darkness
>>740030613i think thats really cool though. versus 13 as a concept is literally my dream game. i'm glad that some of the stuff still exists in KH. i always thought that yozora was going to turn out to be someone different when he said that but thankfully it's just some weird meta venting like you said, which makes sense.according to nomura, Verum Rex is supposed to be an actual game at some point as well.
>>740032552If you want to go down the rabbit hole, the connections between Versus 13 and the recent Kingdom Hearts game are insane. It goes way beyond just reusing character designs. Nomura is basically worldbuilding his resentment towards Square Enix into the lore.Look at the names first. Noctis Lucis Caelum translates to Light of the Night Sky in Latin. Yozora just means Night Sky in Japanese. Noctis was supposed to be the True King of Lucis. Verum Rex literally translates to True King in Latin. If you swap the XV from Final Fantasy 15, you get VX, which could easily stand for Verum Rex.Then you have the gameplay and visuals. Yozora has heterochromia with one blue eye and one red eye. In the original Versus lore, Noctis had eyes that turned red when he summoned weapons or used magic. Yozora's fighting style is exactly the same. He uses a sword that transforms into a crossbow and he teleports around the arena, mirroring Noctis using his warp strikes and royal arms. Thematically, Versus 13 was built around sleep and death. The main theme song was Somnus, which means sleep in Latin. Now look at Kingdom Hearts. Sora abuses the power of waking, dies, and ends up in a realm that is essentially an afterlife where sleep and death are deeply intertwined.The setting itself is the ultimate proof. Versus 13 was pitched with the tagline "a fantasy based on reality" and was set in a world heavily resembling modern Tokyo. Nomura could not put that in Kingdom Hearts normally, so he created Quadratum. It is a literal recreation of Shibuya. It is quite literally a fantasy based on reality. And like you said, Nomura actually confirmed in an interview he debated making Verum Rex a real, standalone game before committing to KH4. He is so obsessed with finishing his Versus script that he is actively splitting his flagship Disney franchise in half just to make it happen.
>>740031902SoraData SoraRoxasData RoxasNamineData NamineXionVentusVanitas
For me I officially lost the plot at DDD. Up until DDD, KH as a series really isn't that complicated. It's just a LOT to rememberBetween the Inception 'dreams within dreams' deal and time-travel being worked in at the same time, I do not believe anyone who says they completely 100% comprehend DDD's story
>>740031527Huh, never realized that their animations are the same.
>>739992228>KH4 will never come out.It will come out but Nomura will fart sniff his own farts and say "Why is Kingdom Hearts 4 selling badly? We did everything the fans wanted like revive dead characters like Namine and Xion and Roxas and we USED TIME TRAVEL! The story is good because its bad! Why is it selling badly!" I hope Kingdom Hearts 4 sells terribly and that Nomura's glory is permanently taken away from him. That man needs a supreme demotion. Bonus, treat him as terribly as Konami treated its employees, force Tetsuya Nomura to clean bathrooms.And before you say I'm lying, that's what Konami during its evil era did to its incompetent or useless employees from their gaming division, used them as maids to clean up their health clubs. If they didn't do that they would be punished in different ways. But Nomura NEEDS the Konami treatment because he's earned it.
>>740032954Nomura cannot write a single new character without them secretly being a piece of Sora's heart, a digital backup of Sora, or a puppet made from Sora's stray memories.Even the girls are Sora. You try to hold hands with a cute girl in this universe and it turns out she is just a physical manifestation of your own shadow from when you stabbed yourself with a magic key two games ago.Which really brings up the most important philosophical question in the Kingdom Hearts lore. With all these clones running around forming deep bonds with each other, we have to look at the reality of the situation. If Roxas and Xion end up together, or if Sora just straight up gets romantically involved with one of his twenty different heart fragments, what exactly is that? Is it gay or is it just extremely convoluted masturbation?
>>740032929yeah this is all 100% not a coincidence. i wonder if anyone at square enix has caught on to this and what the higher ups could be thinking. all of this stuff is infinitely more interesting to me than anything the KH story has brought on so far, this is why I'm super excited for KH4. i feel like KH should have always been this way. maybe disney has gotten a little too involved in the series before but nomura is getting old now and sees KH ending, so he's going to go out with a bang. KH4 still just feels like a fever dream, like it shouldn't even exist. i just can't imagine what it's going to be like at all. i just hope yozora has a big role and he appears as a rival boss here and there. it feels like he is the only one in the series who can defeat sora. this shit makes my autism go wild.
>>740006376I seriously don't understand why there are fujos that think of their relationship as romantic, they're literally brothers.>riku realizes too late that he had a true friend all along, and spends the entire series trying to redeem himself in the eyes of sora>sora never even thought he had lost riku's friendship, all their difficulties were just childish fights
>>739993720The reason nothing that happens in Com is important is because you must remember how Nomura and his retarded crew writes Sora. They write Sora as an idiot.Sora in Kingdom Hearts 1 woke up in a new world he's never been to before, so he starts investigating and asking questions. Sora in Kingdom Hearts 2 woke up in a new world he's never been to before and worse he's inexplicably OLDER to the point his clothes don't fit in. But now Sora is retarded so he doesn't think "Whoa for how long was I sleeping? And where is this world? Twilight Town never been here, what is going on?" Nope Sora is now a hopeless foolish mentally challenged idiot and that's what Nomura banks on to make his story function. Nomura's story falls apart if Sora actually asked "What in the actual FUCK is going on around here?"
>>740033258>Is it gay or is it just extremely convoluted masturbationIt's incest if anything, Roxas is basically Sora's offspring via mitosis, while Xion is his clone, with her normal appearance being a result of being made with Sora's memories of Kairi (but you can't forget that at the end of 358/2, Xion took Sora's appearance before the final fight).Clonefather/Son incest. The fact that neither normally looks just like Sora makes it funnier.
>>740031902The real funny thing is that Sora has many clones but he's yet to have a genuine BLOOD clone like Solid Snake from Metal Gear. If Sora is so special how come not one villain has actually cloned him? He's stupid its easy to convince him to donate blood to an evil scientist who wants to clone him. Sora would do it and we would see a new character, Sora's clone.
>>740033274You really have to wonder if the executives at Square Enix even read the scripts anymore or if they just see the projected sales and sign off on whatever Nomura puts on their desk. Disney probably only cares that their mascots look good in the trailers. They have zero clue they are funding a man's decade long revenge plot against his own employer.But if Nomura keeps escalating this insanity we all know exactly how the series is going to end. Eventually the player will walk through a door deep inside Quadratum and find himself standing on a black and white zigzag floor surrounded by red curtains while a character in an Organization coat talks to you entirely backwards.
>>740032929>Nomura is basically worldbuilding his resentment towards Square Enix into the lore.>towards Square Enix>towards Square Enix
>>740033258>>740033651>>740033651>>740033819>>740033976Can you just do us all a favor and kill yourself already yanderefag?
>>739985402I never understood why this loser was the member they gave plot relevance to. Luxord and Saix were the cooler World That Never Was bosses
>>740027316Shush you're not supposed to say that
>>740034057Was starting to wonder if this is some board schizo, he's going on a rampage.
>>740034131I'm convinced they just thought it'd be funny if he was making villain of the week monologues with the surfer dude voice. It worked for me, I freaking love him and hope they don't screw up whatever they have planned from the 100 rewrites they've probably done.
>>740033976this is probably very likely. nobody even knows what the fuck is happening. not a single voice actor, developer or anyone. I always find it funny when I hear about Haley Joel or goofiest voice actor talk about how fun and beloved this series is to them but they don't even fucking know whats going on in the story
>>740034057>>740034239The fuck are you guys on about?
>>740034412Criticizing Nomura means these shit heads come to defend him.
>>739995385Why are you fighting Ursula while time traveling?
>>740034131It was to justify his No. 2 position in the OrganizationFor a guy who was supposedly ranked second in importance, Xigbar really doesn't do that much in KH2. Saix is much more Xemnas' number two guy despite being No. 7Now with all this sneaking and going on around the scenes we get a better sense of why he was the organization's second highest ranked
>>740034498Why? Nomura hasn't been good for over 2 decades
Disney doesn't want you to know about how they got played.
>>740034412Theres a schizo who rants in a lot of KH threads in a similar way. He really hates Nomura and wants him to die despite apparently being very invested in KH. His posts usually get deleted too. We call him yanderefag.
>>740034412>The fuck are you guys on about?This >>740034498I'm in agreement on the later developments being beyond silly, but the dude just hates Nomura and he's one of those unbelievably obnoxious KH1 purists that won't ever stop yelling at you to stop liking the games that came after it.
>>740034023>>740034619What the hell are you talking about anon?Nomura does not have a beef with Disney. His entire grudge is completely against Square Enix management. If anything, Disney is the only thing protecting him from Square's endless corporate meddling.Look at the actual history of how Square treats him. They dragged him from project to project for over a decade.First, he worked on Versus 13 for years, only for Square to rip it out of his hands, rebrand it to Final Fantasy 15, and hand it to Tabata to chop up and release.Then there is the Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Nomura literally did not even know he was directing the game. He found out he was the director while watching an internal company presentation video during preproduction. He assumed Kitase was going to direct it. Square literally assigned him the biggest remake in gaming history without even asking him.And KH3 taking forever? That was also Square Enix. Corporate higher ups forced the KH team to use their in house Luminous engine. They wasted an entire year trying to make it work before management finally let them switch to Unreal Engine 4. The delay was entirely corporate's fault.People act like Disney is standing over his shoulder micromanaging every story beat, but they actually have a massive relationship of trust with him. Nomura pitched an entirely new IP with an original protagonist when Disney initially presented him with their own ideas. Disney accepted his vision despite being initially shocked by it, and they now consider KH an incredibly important property. They let him do whatever unhinged plot he wants because Kingdom Hearts prints money. Disney is his shield. Because KH is a joint IP with a global conglomerate, Square Enix cannot just fire Nomura or reassign his team without Disney throwing a fit. He uses the mouse to protect himself from his own company so he can finish his unreleased drafts in peace.
>>740034673>>740034813I’m the one joking that KH4 and beyond will just be a bunch of Sora clones duking it out, and I absolutely love Nomura’s brand of craziness. I genuinely think FF8 is underrated, and Stranger of Paradise is one of the best Final Fantasy games in recent years. I just find the whole situation hilarious.
>>740034972It is because of that exact Disney protection that we might unironically see one day a standalone Verum Rex game. And it will basically just be the original Versus 13 vision in its purest form.Square Enix will be entirely powerless to stop it. They cannot touch Nomura as long as the Kingdom Hearts brand is attached to the project. If he tells the Disney executives that a Verum Rex spin off is absolutely vital to understanding the next phase of the Kingdom Hearts storyline, they will fund it without blinking.This is not even a crazy fan theory anymore. During the 20th anniversary event for the franchise, Nomura openly admitted in an interview that he was genuinely torn between developing Kingdom Hearts 4 or a full Verum Rex game first. He literally said he only chose KH4 because fans were worried about Sora, and the development team did not have the resources to work on two massive console games at the exact same time. Think about the sheer audacity of that statement. Square Enix canceled his dream game a decade ago, and now he is sitting in interviews casually confirming that he was debating just making it anyway under the Disney banner. He had to pick between continuing the multi million dollar Disney crossover or making a game about his resurrected Final Fantasy concepts, and he treated it like a coin toss.Square management must be furious. They took Versus away from him to make FF15, and now he is just going to use Mickey Mouse money to make the real Versus 13 right in front of them. There is literally nothing they can do to prevent it.
>>740034538I never thought the numbers meant much beyond the order in which they joined. Xaldin and Vexen are 3 and 4 and unimportant
>>740034972>Words Words Words>About how Nomura hates his own company>not the corporate saboteurs that led to Squaresoft's collapseYea, whatever moushe
>>740035526Explain to me then why he'd hate Disney?
>>740035526>>not the corporate saboteurs that led to Squaresoft's collapseWait, what?
>>740035410https://youtu.be/W_6Vdk2x34E
>>740034972>>740035410I really do wonder what SE's particular problem is, like it's a caricature of bad corporate decision making. Their creative talent is absolutely wild and if they'd just let things happen and tard wrangle responsibly, they'd go back to printing money like they used to. As much as I shit on KH after 2, it's still kino and Nomura is passionate about it. Considering Disney being involved, I doubt budget would be any real issue, SE management just seems to be a distilled version of the absolute worst aspects of Japanese business management.
>>740033651The part of Sora that had strong opinions, any introspection, and a willingness to both investigate and combat information that didn't make sense all turned into Roxas, and Roxas didn't give it back.
>>740035886>It's the Japanese' fault >Despite the fact that only 4 years before KH1 released, Squaresoft had put out FFVII>Which sold two million copies within three days>Of its Japanese release aloneYea yea no it was Squaresoft that was the problem/sarcasm
>>739985451AS IF!
>>739986883But the organization wasn't introduced in 2
>>740036016Meanwhile in the games Roxas is the one who gives up and accepts his fate after losing to Sora and Sora is the one who tells Roxas that he's his own person and deserves to exist.>roxas you are sora's nobody and you have to rejoin him>fuck that>ok i guess i'll join sora
>>740036237Square during the FFVII era was still allowing its creative talent and developers to manifest kino. What I'm talking about is them going full retard starting around FFXII. And yes, it is bad business management, and it's a very Japanese company staffed by out-of-touch Japanese executives.
>>739985402The only time I ever played Kingdom Hearts was being forced to play it at a friend's house in high school 17 years ago because it was supposedly his absolute favorite game and I remember thinking "this is really childish and gay" flash forward to today and I only recently found out that he trooned out years ago and now goes by the name "Nova"
>>740036237>/sarcasmgo back
>>740036548There's a reason Nobodies gain an X in their names that has nothing to do with either Kingdom Hearts or Enix.
>>740036653χ blade!
>>740036653The fuck are you going on about brother? >>740036748lol
>>740036653>nothing to do with EnixReally?
>>740036573>NovaDear god no. Don't tell me that's the same one with an internet presence. They were so fucking disgusting that just thinking about them makes me want to vomit.
The most interesting part about the endless Sora clones is that the genesis of this entire character tree is the late American actor River Phoenix. He was absolutely massive in Japan during the late 80s and early 90s, and Nomura basically turned him into his eternal muse.It all started with FF8. Nomura was very open about the fact that he used River Phoenix as the direct visual and thematic inspiration for Squall Leonhart. Squall has the exact same brooding teenage angst, the same facial structure, and the same underlying vulnerability that Phoenix brought to his roles. Nomura was essentially immortalizing an actor who died way too young.Then you look at Versus 13 and what eventually became FF15. The core concept is literally four boys on a coming of age journey. The game prominently features Stand By Me as its main theme song. The entire party dynamic is a giant playable reference to the movie Stand By Me, which was River Phoenix's biggest breakout role.Even the romance in Versus 13 was a reference to him by proxy. Nomura explicitly stated the Noctis and Stella dynamic was heavily inspired by the 1996 Romeo + Juliet movie. Leonardo DiCaprio played Romeo in that movie, and at the time of filming, Hollywood and the media universally recognized DiCaprio as the new rising River Phoenix, trying to fill the void he left behind.So when you map out the franchise timeline, it gets insane. Nomura modeled Squall after Phoenix. Then he modeled Sora as a lighter byproduct of Squall's design. Then he made Noctis, who is literally placed in a Stand By Me road trip scenario. Then he made Yozora, who is a reflection of both Sora and Noctis.The entire Kingdom Hearts overarching meta narrative is essentially just Nomura painting his dead Hollywood muse over and over again in different outfits.
>>740036903No idea what you're talking about m8
>>740036903>They>themkys
>>739995160Nomura only likes goth girls
>>740036973If Nomura is always using the same actor for the male characters, what is the female muse? He always make the same slightly goth chick. Who is she?
>>740037290Nomura's gone on record saying he's based Kairi's different visual aesthetics on Utada Hikaru, so if there's any one girl in particular, it's probably her.
>>739985458Not true. The first game is kino and vastly superior to the rest of the series, you can easily understand it if you aren't a brainletActually only the original PS2 release is kino, they ruined the series even before KH2 with final mix
>>740031704*Teleports behind you*
>>740006432STOP IT! THAT'S ONLY 6 YEARS AWAY! STOPZA!
>>740006432>>740038356That's how many years it is going to take for us to get Kingdom Hearts 5. Don't be mean to the 40 year old Kingdom Hearts fans that will be 80 by then...
>>740015816is it still the same voice actors for both character in the FF VII remake?
>>740039420steve burton was the voice of cloud since kh1 but they dropped him for the ff7 remake, lance bass was just sephiroth in kh1 and nothing else
>>740030151>Days was good
>>740030613>direct airing of grievances against Square Enix management>produces neo twewy>shinjuku gets nuked off the map, because the people there were irredeemable.>square hq is in shinjukuHe really holds a grudge huh.
>>740039815Yeah, just try to put yourself in his shoes. Look at how much success Nomura found in Square starting with FFVII. Then you keep making so many things people like with a reasonable amount of freedom, then KH comes along as the culmination of your artistic vision and Disney itself is now somehow ride-or-die on board with your schizo kino magnum opus for multiple games, and then bam, Square does whatever the fuck it starts doing toward the end of the 2000s. You're allowed to keep doing things for a while, then they just start pulling the rug out from under you and squandering not just your momentum but every other creative's as well. I'd be fucking livid, and I'm nowhere near as autistic and driven as Nomura is.
>>740039815Anon, look at how Square Enix operates to understand why Nomura is the way he is. Management throws him around with zero warning.Take the Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Hashimoto went to Kitase and Nomura to get it started. Nomura assumed Kitase was going to direct it since he directed the original. Nomura literally found out he was the director by watching an internal company presentation video during preproduction and seeing his name at the end. He had to call Kitase and ask why his name was there, and Kitase just told him of course it is. Square assigned him their biggest remake without actually telling him.Then look at Versus 13. Square announced it in 2006, but forced Nomura's team to stop working on it to help salvage the disastrous Crystal Tools engine for Final Fantasy 13. His team was drafted to fix other people's problems. In 2012, Square scrapped the PS3 development, rebranded to Final Fantasy 15, and eventually took Nomura off the project entirely so he could work on Kingdom Hearts 3. He spent years on a game only to get booted so Tabata could chop it up to meet a corporate deadline. Even Kingdom Hearts 3 suffered from corporate meddling. Square forced the KH team to use their flawed Luminous Engine. Nomura stated in an interview that corporate higher ups later mandated a switch to Unreal Engine 4. This decision was not made by the developers and forced them to completely rewind and restart an entire year of work. Square Enix treats Nomura like a company repairman. They rip him away from passion projects to fix broken engines and direct games they did not even ask him to direct. It makes perfect sense that he would retreat into his Disney funded sandbox to vent his frustrations.
>>740040423Silence, you disingenuous fuck.
Just so everyone knows, this guy posting text walls is a Disney employee, trying to manage public perception of Square Enix and of Nomura, trying to frame it like Nomura and Square Enix are at odds, instead of the truth.
>>740040835You really do hate Nomura, huh? Why are you even in here?
>>740040423>>740040710I am not saying it's not justified.I just think it's funny.Especially with SoP also about a guy being sick and tired of getting strung along by the higher ups and telling them to fuck off.
>>740040423>KH comes along as the culmination of your artistic visionLOL hardlyKH is Nomura's compromise with Disney Corp.
>>740040961No. I hate Disney. Rightfully so. They're evil.>>740041040SoP is about telling Disney to fuck off.
>>739985402time travel was the last straw
Chain of Memories.
Is the manga adaptation more coherent ?
Stranger of Paradise is, specifically, about a man being too edgy for the universe to handle. Too edgy for a family friendly brand like Disney to be able to handle. Really, this is a continuation of the intentions of FFversusXIII.
>>740040965At this point, I just genuinely want KH4 to be an absolute masterpiece. I want it to sell so impossibly well that it completely overshadows the entire FF7R trilogy combined.If KH4 becomes the biggest game Square has released in a decade, Nomura will finally have the leverage to demand whatever he wants. And what he clearly wants is to make Verum Rex a reality. If KH4 prints infinite money, they will have no choice but to greenlight a full Verum Rex spin off title.I want that Verum Rex game to be exactly what Versus 13 was promised to be back in 2006. I want the dark urban fantasy, the insomnia themes, the original Yozora and Stella stand ins. I want it to drop and be universally praised as an instant classic just as a massive middle finger to the Square Enix executives who took the original project away from him and chopped it up into FF15. Then, as the ultimate final act, Nomura needs to take all that accumulated success, walk out of Square Enix, and start his own independent studio. Let him take the KH money and his loyal staff, get away from the corporate mandates and engine changes, and just go absolutely crazy. No more being reassigned to fix other people's games or having his projects threatened by a new CEO refocusing on existing IPs. Just an auteur with unlimited funding finally making the unhinged passion projects he spent twenty years fighting for.
>>740041470Shut up, psycho.
>>740041470I hate both Disney and Epstein. What now?
>>740041121Disney is a huge company with a lot of money and different people working for it. The people working at Disney responsible for greenlighting and supporting KH are fucking awesome. That doesn't mean Disney as a whole aren't currently one of the most DEI infested monstrosities in existence, but that's not the whole company, especially the Japan facing side of it. Square is absolutely responsible for its own downfall, though, it's not just Nomura's projects that have suffered under their shit decision making. He may not be able to be as edgy as he would ultimately like to be with KH, it's a Disney game at the end of the day, but Disney has no involvement with the rest of his projects that keep getting fucked around with by Square.
>>740041872>The people working at Disney responsible for greenlighting and supporting KH are fucking awesome.No.
Kingdom Hearts is the result of Disney aggressively moving in on Squaresoft to shut down their animation studio, and Nomura stepping up voluntarily to essentially mediate between Squaresoft and Disney.
>>740042082First of all, Disney did not aggressively move in to shut down Square's animation studio. Square Pictures shut down because they made Final Fantasy The Spirits Within and it bombed so unfathomably hard that it lost almost a hundred million dollars. They literally bankrupted themselves. Disney did not even have to look in their direction to view them as a threat. Square nuked their own movie division because Sakaguchi wanted to make a hyper realistic CGI sci fi movie about alien ghosts and nobody went to the theaters to see it. That flop is actually the main reason Squaresoft nearly died and had to merge with Enix just to survive.Second, the actual origin of Kingdom Hearts is literally just a funny coincidence about office real estate. Shinji Hashimoto and Sakaguchi were talking about how they wanted to make a 3D action platformer with the freedom of Super Mario 64. They figured the only mascot IP big enough to rival Mario was Disney. At the time, Squaresoft and Disney Japan happened to share the exact same corporate office building in Tokyo. Hashimoto literally just ran into a Disney executive in the elevator and pitched the crossover on the spot.Nomura did not step up to mediate a hostile corporate takeover. He just overheard Hashimoto and Sakaguchi talking about the elevator pitch and volunteered to direct it because he wanted to make a game with that kind of 3D movement.Stop making up crazy conspiracy theories. Disney did not care about Square Pictures and Nomura just wanted an excuse to make a Disney platformer.
>>740042350Silence, whore.
The really amusing thing is that Disney has no idea how fucked they are.
>>740042382Just look at the actual timeline of events anon. Your theory is chronologically impossible.Kingdom Hearts started development in early 2000. Hashimoto had his famous elevator pitch with the Disney executive around late 1999 or early 2000. By the time Square officially announced the game to the public in May 2001, it had already been in active production for over a year.Now look at Square Pictures. They released Final Fantasy The Spirits Within in July 2001. The movie bombed so horribly that it caused a massive financial crisis for Squaresoft and literally delayed their planned merger with Enix. Square Pictures did not officially shut down until late 2001 and early 2002.Do the math. Kingdom Hearts was pitched, approved, and deep in development well over a year before Square's animation studio even released its movie, let alone collapsed. Disney could not have used Kingdom Hearts as a bargaining chip to aggressively shut down a studio that was still actively rendering a 130 million dollar film.There was no hostile takeover and there was no mediation. You are mixing up a movie bombing in late 2001 with a video game pitch that happened in early 2000.
>>740042506If anything, Kingdom Hearts exploding in popularity is what actually saved Squaresoft from total collapse. You have the dynamic completely backwards.When The Spirits Within bombed and lost nearly a hundred million dollars, Square was basically on life support. The financial hit was so catastrophic that Enix actually backed out of their planned merger because they refused to take on Square's massive debt. Square was bleeding out and actively dying.Then 2001 and 2002 happened. Final Fantasy 10 was a massive hit, and then Kingdom Hearts dropped and sold millions of copies worldwide. It was an absolute commercial juggernaut. The insane sales figures from that game injected a massive amount of cash directly into Square's empty bank accounts.Kingdom Hearts was not the result of Disney bullying a failing company. Kingdom Hearts was the defibrillator that kept the company alive long enough to recover. The financial stability brought in by KH1 and FFX is literally the only reason Enix agreed to come back to the negotiating table and finalize the merger in 2003.Without Nomura volunteering to make his weird Disney platformer, Square Enix as we know it today might not even exist.
Disney shill sure is lying mad
Tetsuya Nomura killed Disney.
Kingdom Hearts girls are so cute
