I thought everyone hated english dubs of japanese stuff, so how did the xenoblade series have its western reputation singlehandedly defined by the dubs despite always including a jp voice option? Are most people actually dubfags with games and even anime?
Yes.Personally, what i really, REALLY dislike is when the dub changes the original soundtrack, ruining the original tone of a scene. Xenoblade doesn't do this so it's better
>>739986062Obviously, or they wouldn't bother.
Most game dubs are fine but I can’t stand anime dubs.
The English accents are novel and sound generically sophisticated
>>739986062i hate dubs but made an exception for xc2 because of nia's voice
>>739986062Dubs are funny when they're not taking themselves seriously
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>>739986062People hate shitty dubs. But the few good English dubs are celebrated. Xenoblade 1 had a good dub.
xenoblade was made for the west, which is why they made a dub that anime-haters would enjoy
games always dubanime always subexcept I don't watch anime anymore
The subs are dubtitles. Whats the point of being elitist about voiceacting if you are reading the english dubs script anyway?Thank god theres a re-translation mod.
>>739986485truke
I guess complaining about dubs really is the minority despite how much you see it online
>>739986485>The subs are dubtitles. Whats the point of being elitist about voiceacting if you are reading the english dubs script anyway?Because the original acting renders the scenes faithfully and more effectively
>>739986485Because it sounds like shit?
>>739986605I understand why people want to OG voice cast but I'd rather watch the show than read subs. At least that used to be true, now the shows tend to look awful.
>>739986605Anyone who's serious about watching anime isn't using netflix, much less with dubs.
>>739986062MINGE
>>739986605The people who care about stuff like faithful translations and quality in general do not watch anime on a streaming service.
>>739986485>Whats the point of being elitist about voiceacting if you are reading the english dubs script anyway?I'm so glad I never played this garbage
1 and 3's dubs are serviceable, situationally even great. 2's is rough as fuck with certain exceptions. There's a reason why Huw is basically the only actor from 2 who got called back. Bennett and Weaver didn't.
>>739986891That's nearly every game, not just Xenoblade.
>>739987150From what I understand the problem was voice direction, not the voices themselves. Because I guess they were given lines without context to those lines? The Rex v Jin fight on the Cliffs of Morytha is embarrassing because it sounds like a line read in a section of the game where Rex should be baring his soul
>>739986240>Xenoblade was made for the region that literally had to get on their hands and knees and beg for a localizationUh huh
>>739986062Nia is the only part of the EN dub that was better. I never knew angry Welsh women were my thing.
>>739987267It's so weird how whoever doing the dub cared enough to have weird details like every race and region having their own distinct accents, but it felt like nobody actually listened to the final audio.>DON'T FORGET ME>THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME>DON'T FORGET ME>THINK YOU CAN TAKE ME>BEHAVE>DON'T FORGET ME>YOU'RE DONE
>>739987267According to Bennett they got one take per line no matter what, recorded in chronological order. If a read sucked it stayed sucking. I personally don't like Zeke's dub voice. He's supposed to act like a gruff, bombastic goober but when he gets called on to act in his official capacity at Indol he drops the goofball shit completely and speaks properly. Dub Zeke just sounds like a ponce all the time
>>739986062>Are most people actually dubfags with games and even anime?Unfortunately, yes
>>739987753>According to Bennett they got one take per line no matter what, recorded in chronological order.That's some real assembly-line shit. It was the same voice director for 2 and 3 right?I don't really agree with dub Zeke though. He's clearly trying to ham it up in the first few encounters and then he does have a more somber tone for the later, especially like the flashback where he's talking about Blade brothels.
>>739987753That is incomprehensibly stupid. What were they short on money or something? And like >>739987694 says the effort is lopsided because they were mindful to differentiate accents based on race and region.
>>739988096I'm assuming they were super rushed. Because the voice production/casting company they were using I believe was the same for all three games. So it's not like they particularly cheaped out there.
>>739986062No dub is ever more annoying to listen to than Japanese voices. The men all sound like whiny fuckboys, and the women all sound like screechy little girls
>>7399880381 and 3 have the same dub director, 2 and the bionis shoulder section of 1DE are the same dub director, which is why adam howden's shulk is so much more stilted there compared to future redeemed.
>>739986062I hate the Xenoblade English dubs. All three of them. Only Xenoblade X is passable in English.>>739986485Because I know enough Japanese to know when they changed something.
>>739986173whats the difference, its a lot of the same vas and voices
>>739986062Xenoblade 2 fanbase is full of ironic weebs
>>739986232DID I DO THAT?
>>739986485GOOD NEWS, the xenoblade games had retranslations patches for years now.https://gbatemp.net/threads/xenoblade-2-delocalization-retranslation-patch.667076/https://gbatemp.net/threads/xenoblade-chronicles-2-name-de-localization.589353/https://gbatemp.net/threads/xenoblade-3-re-translation-patch.668705/
>>739986062the way anime characters speak does not work in english. most subfags can't even understand japanese, so they genuinely do not know whether or not the sub is good at all, they just assume it is.
>>739989151>>739990772
Why did xenoblade 2 have such a shit english dub when 1, 3 and X were fine?
>>739986062One, they still have to read the text because obviously don't understand the jap voiceTwo, trust tendies to trust the default options to be the intended experience because they can't even fathom something they bought to nintendo sama is not 100% perfect
>>739986485I played it with japanese voices and japanese text
>>739986062There's no screen room for subtitles with everything else going on
>>739991274Problems relies on the game itself. The game was definitely extra weeb-y and the dub tried make it into a serious sounding game using britbongs english. Like dubbing a cartoony anime like Fairy Tale with brit bong english trying to make it sound super serious.
>>739990961anime voice acting is done like a stage play but the western dubbers just phone their lines in trying to act "natural".
>>739986062Because Xenoblade fans have the lowest standards of all time.
>>739991458Why would subtitles be happening during battle?
>>739986605>80-90% watch dubbedI knew most people had shit taste but I didn't realize it was this severe
>>739991812you need to remember that we are talking about the people who specifically watch castlevania on netflix, not the people watching end of evangelion rips on liveleak
>>739991812>>739991890Netflix also defaults to English dubbed audio for foreign media.
>>739986758>serious about watching anime
2's dub is 90% awful. Malos carried the whole thing.3's better but there are some voices which are really bad. Even Future Redeemed also has bad direction. That scene where they took out the Meobius with the 2 ferronises. A, Panacea and Linka shouting as they attacked him was pretty bad.Not a fan of Matthew's voice as well. Way too laidback.
>>739987694https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmnZ0R8quWM
The dubs for Xenoblade are perfectly servicable and it's worth the issues with characters like Rex to be able to understand the battle voicesI've heard that Xenosaga's dub is just awful though. I've been thinking of playing that just as soon as I find out if it's getting remade but I'll stick to the sub for that
>>739986062>Are most people absolute plebs?Have you looked at the state of politics, music, film, etc. lately?
>>739986062Everyone likes the trilogy's dub because they help sell the alien world. It isn't the same nepo-baby voice actors that American dubs always use over and over again. Except X. And even then with that, atleast it was one of the first games many of them were apart of. Playing it again now is a whose who of the modern vidya dub scene.
>>739986062xenoblade/persona/fire emblem's fanbases consist of a dubfag majority regardless of quality
>>739987753>recorded in chronological order. If a read sucked it stayed suckingthat makes a lot of sense https://youtu.be/IzLT5Ep-D0g?si=3o-89gARzfmB0lVk
>>739986706How slow do you have to read for this argument to even start making sense.
>>739986062Turns out if you hire British actors and tell them not to always put on fake theatre accents, people enjoy it more, especially over the typical American english dub clique.
Mythra My Beloved>>739986232
>>739986062Pretty sure xenoblade have bigger western fanbase than japanese one. Its westslop
>>739986062It's not entirely great, XC1 dub is amazing because the cast does such a good job especially Shulks VA . Meanwhile, it's the opposite for XC2 A great cast but with no vocal direction, and X and 3 could go either way
>>739986153>when the dub changes the original soundtrackwhat game does this? I've never heard of it happening
How the fuck can you endure British accent?
>>739997253By not having a double-digit IQ
>>739996734NTA but Tales of the Abyss used an offvocal opening song
>>739997365Kek. Single digit iq britrannies btdo
>>739994403X is that exact crowd but tbf before we got the Lowenthal/McGlynn/Baker-Persona crowd into gaming it was all american Pokémon actors directed poorly. vidya dubs were uncanny as shit through most of the 00s.
Subs only sound good to you because you can't discern what bad japanese voice acting sounds like
>>739986062>despite always including a jp voice option
>>739997253I dont, I go out of my way to not consume any british media so I can avoid their godawful accents
>>739986062>oi let's shag already i shaved me minge for this
>>739986062Getting classically trained actors rather than the same 5 americans they always get for other dubs. This same reason is why the FF16 dub clears the FF7 rebirth dub despite being done by the same company at the same time.
>>739986062The first game genuinely has very good British voice acting as they drew their voice actors from theaters rather than video game/anime actors. The English dub wasn't really flanderized or intentionally "hehe funny British accents" and some of the voice actors (Shulk's especially) were better than their Japanese performance, and it was very novel at the time since people were used to the shitty American "anime voice" dominating JRPG localizations.For some reason this became Xenoblade's identity in the West even before Xenoblade blew up into a popular IP; People made memes and joked around about the British accents.Xenoblade 2 and Xenoblade 3 have really bad English localizations however. Xenoblade 2 has horrible voice acting direction; Xenoblade 3 fixes the voice acting, but both games fucking RAPE the Japanese script to the point it feels like you're playing an abridged parody. Things are British for the sake of being British, random swears and British slang/idioms are thrown into the script when even the original Xenoblade 1 with its British voice acting didn't really do that. Most, if not all of the Christian symbolism in Xenoblades 2 and 3 are outright removed and replaced with Euro-Pagan alternatives/equivalents. Plus unlike Xenoblade 1, the English voice acting in 2 and 3 never really eclipses the Japanese voice acting at times.
>>739986062>>740005450Also, the accents in Xenoblade 1 were relatively contained to one consistent, specific British accent while Xenoblade 2 and 3 are a bizarre clusterfuck of Welsh, Scottish, Irish, London, Australian and American accents.
>>740005450Having a protag with a god-tier voice actor was a huge part of it since he's the character you'll hear the most
>>740005450A bunch of JP voices in Xenoblade 1 (especially Melia) are literally who
>>740005450>Plus unlike Xenoblade 1, the English voice acting in 2 and 3 never really eclipses the Japanese voice acting at times.to be fair Malos's VA was way better than his Japanese VA toobut he was the only standout VA in XB2 in a sea of mediocrity https://youtu.be/UTjlTz_r-0g?t=170https://youtu.be/XkXDrSsPTTQ?t=170
>>740009571Malos's English voice actor is really good at emoting but he's still doing the generic American dub "shonen anime villain" voice regardless of how good he is.
>>739986062Xenoblade 1 dub is peak sovl. Xenoblade 2 dub is atrocious. Xenoblade 3 dub is just okay
>>739992342Just say you are nigger, man
>>740005450>>740005816It's sad that only Jenna Coleman (who voices Melia) became properly successful from the Xeno 1 dub
>>739991890>watching end of evangelion rips on liveleak
>>7399860622DE when?
>>739986240Nintendo of Europe wasn't ran by some fat retard who constantly seethes at JRPGs because everyone wouldn't shut up about Mother 3.Nintendo of America tried its fucking hardest to sabotoge Xenoblade 1's release by making it a Gamestop exclusive and the game still succeeded despite that. Can't say the same for Pandora's Tower and The Last Story. Can't blame them those games weren't good.
>>739986240>xenoblade was made for the westWhat the fuck, no.Xenoblade 1 was made for the kinds of shonenshitters who worship Chrono Trigger but hate Chrono Cross because Monolith Soft realized that mainstream JRPG gamers don't want complex and nuanced stories in the vain of Xenosaga/Xenogears anymore.
>>740010204what do chrono trigger and chrono cross have to do with anything
>>740010302Most of the foundation of Monolith Soft worked on both of those games as art directors/world designers/level designers/sprite designers/artists and shit.
>>739986062Because the Xeno games are British.
>>739987292Nobody in Europe had to beg for it.
>>740010204>2shitter is still trying to larp as Gears/Saga fan
>>740011053>2shitterHuh? 1's my favourite game in the Blade trilogy.
>>740011053based schizo
>>740005478Proof /v/ are underage zoomers or retards with 0 media literacy. The inhabitants on each titan developed their own cultures so for worldbuilding purposes they cast the VAs that wayGormott - WelshLeftheria - Northern English (All you need to know is theyre small town lower class folk living in the middle of nowhereUraya - AustraliaArdanian - Scottish Blades - American
>>739986062The Japanese voices are definitely much better, but only the cutscenes have subtitles and not random dialog that happens when you're running around. If you're an eop you'll be missing some stuff. It's also easier to ignore the obnoxious name changes when you're playing in English. Nia's va having a cute voice helps of course.
>>740009801Fuck off already.
>>739986605well duh. anime has become normalfag tier shit in the past decade. its for a globohomo audience now and the industry actively targets that
>>739986605>make anime easier to access online>now a bunch of illiterate third worlders can watch it whenever>can't read so they instead listen to it in their local goblinspeak insteadMakes sense.
I love my wife Seori!!!
>>739986062Sometimes it just works out. The dubs that stick around are either genuinely good and on par with the original, absolutely fucked up but too memey to hate, or absolutely fucked up and utterly garbage that people bring it up when they want to choke incompetent voice actors (99% of them).
>>740012595Mogged by Mikumari
>>739986062it happens with persona too and its kinda hard to believe, none of the fans i see ever give a single fuck about the jp voices. idk why when unlike xenoblade the games are actually set in japan and have japanese honorifics and stuff
>>739986062>Are most people actually dubfags with games and even anime?Reading subs requires a certain level of education. You have to read quickly enough to throw your eyes back at the action and during important sequences you can miss a lot if your reading skills aren't up to par, which is true for most people since reading books is something very few people do these days. To read properly you have to read silently without hearing yourself speak inside your head and that is another skill more and more people lack today, so the rhythm of 3-4 words required to fully enjoy subs is out of reach for the majority.Because of all of the above, hearing people speak in your own language is preferable. Add to that the level of xenophobia about hearing foreign languages and the fervor with which western anglosphere denizens police xenophilia related to foreign cultures, you have the perfect circumstances for dubs being favored over subs. tl;dr they can't read
>>740013880Because they were forced to listen to shitty dubs until P5. You had to play a modded version of 3 and 4 to get actual Japanese voices and undubs and the knowledge about them weren't that common in the late 2000's. You're talking about 2 different periods of games.
>>740012595>Seori>>740012956>Mikumari>>740014238
>>739986485>if you are reading the english dubs script anywayuhhh this https://youtu.be/08_2am7DYhY?si=mPT_ssEfpCV2I0Jc&t=39don't tell me you rather hear this shit because the text is localized as well
Aerith and Melia lostTifa and Fiora won
>>740014928>>740015504
>>739986062"western reputation" As far as I know only Amerifats and mexicans living in the US use English dubs.
>>739986062I'm pretty sure people only really like the first game's dub.
>>740015574Obsessed
>>739986062Actually the Welsh cat girl is the only thing that looks appealing about this gameHowever, the auto attack MMO combat looks lame af and the rest of the characters look absolutely cringe so it's probably not worth playing right
Do people still care about original Japanese audio in games? That seems like something that had its peak in the 2010s, everyone I know today just uses english dubs for games and anime. Hell, until like 2008 even having japnese voices in a game was viewed as lazy localization by most people. The Japanese audio / english subs era was just a cultural blip in the grand scheme of things.
>>740015846Why are Niafags like this?
>>740015846>Actually the Welsh cat girl is the only thing that looks appealing about this gameIs there worse fanbase than niafags?
>>740015995Shaniafags are pretty bad too. Coincidentally, they seem to do that same >ALL of the characters are SHIT except for my bitch shtick that Niafags do.
>>739986062Kos-Mos for Super Smash Broshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fJ9KmUDNDw
>>740011679>The inhabitants on each titan developed their own cultures so for worldbuilding purposes they cast the VAs that way>>Gormott - Welsh>Leftheria - Northern English (All you need to know is theyre small town lower class folk living in the middle of nowhere>Uraya - Australia>Ardanian - Scottish >Blades - AmericanThank you for reinstating something every single Xenoblade fan has known since 2017. Very cool, encyclopedia-kun.
>>740015995I haven't played the game. As i said, the Welsh cat is the only thing that looks appealing. The rest looks like your usual anime plot with a optimistic spirited young guy trying to save the world with his voluptuous babe companions
>>740016587Why are Niafags like this?
>>7399860622's dub sucked.
