It's kind of weird thinking of cherishing memories from some of the worst times in my life. Video games I played to escape of course, but also just experiences that didn't necessarily help me escape any more than another video game, but hit me some way or another.

It's probably an odd assortment but I have strong memories of playing Max payne and undertale at like 6 AM drunk.

>>739987609
I just wanted to say that writing is a scam, it makes no sense how hard it can be, sometimes you can write thousands of words and then you get paralyzed from overthinking when you have to write a single line of dialogue.
I wish I could just write garbage and then filter it, but that only delays the overthinking part.

>>739988154
>I wish I could just write garbage and then filter it, but that only delays the overthinking part.
some people are able to do that, some are apparently really good at doing it that way.
Personally I find myself in what you described. Sometimes just churning out a ton of words, and then boom I get stuck on a single line of dialogue.

>>739988105
>It's probably an odd assortment but I have strong memories of playing Max payne and undertale at like 6 AM drunk.
When are we getting Paynedertale?

>>739988264
>some people are able to do that, some are apparently really good at doing it that way.
I tried that, it worked for a bit then I got stuck again, at least the quality improved a bit
>Personally I find myself in what you described. Sometimes just churning out a ton of words, and then boom I get stuck on a single line of dialogue.
That's the worst, I realized dialogue is my biggest weakness in writing, not only it comes as dull, it also takes me a lot of time to write it compared to everything else, and sometimes I don't even know what the character should be saying, which is even worse than overthinking, at least that gives me options.

>>739988495
didn't someone made a Ultrakill in Undertale mod, so a Max Payne mod sounds normal compared to that

>>739988495
>bullet time shows up in starlos fight
wait we're on the cusp of something great here.

>>739988554
All we need is Clover chugging a bottle of painkillers every five minutes and we're golden.

>>739988552
I saw that but I wasn't sure if it was playable or just a mockup for the laughs.

>>739988554
why didn't he get a fight, anyway? greedy, greedy roba gets two.

>>739988649
The devs really wanted to give Roba a fight at the time

>>739988506
>I tried that, it worked for a bit then I got stuck again, at least the quality improved a bit
I'll say, that the more you do it, the easier it gets. I do still have nights like tonight where I can't get words out, but my "peak performance" of being able to vomit out words gets better and better when I do get into the groove.
>I realized dialogue is my biggest weakness in writing
I'm trying to force myself to do it more because I feel like it's really difficult. I see some people say action is most difficult to write, but for me I find that getting into a groove where the conversation feels natural and not forced is a challenge.
I think I can get in some characters heads really well to figure out what they would say really well, like The Roba. But I have a lot of trouble with some other characters.

A good exercise is to take the character you have the most trouble with, and have them specifically bounce off a character you know better. That way you have a good grasp already of how one character may act, and you only have to ponder the other character, filling in your understanding of them better.
it's still tough.

>>739988624
I bet clover would love something like max payne as a game. Even if he's pacifist Clover. See, if he's into cowboy movies, he's not so soft that even media where people die is just too much for him. the clover who does vengeance is the same clover in some way that does pacifist after all. So at the very least in media format, I think something like a cop taking the law into his own hands in a gritty noir setting would be "kino" to him, even if he himself spares the shit out of people.

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>>739988705
ahhh, bastards. That's what Deltarune Yellow is for then, right? Give my man the starlight he deserves.

Cringe thread. It's just a video game bro. Play and move on.

>>739987609
I love the late 90s/early 20s games. The Quake 2. Not even the gameplay as much as the rendering/graphics/framework/engine. Max Payne is a prime example.
For specifics, OOT.

>>739988883
>duster as gaster
holy shit this is a whole new level right here.

>>739988883
Why is Martlet green?

>>739987609
>Are there any games that make you think of better, or even worse times?
>Share with me what youre working on thats video game related
>It's raiining
You know, this is actually pretty relevant to a thing I had planned in my game. I was thinking about including a "date" scene somewhere in it, and including a "its raining somewhere else" style song in it, as a reference. Maybe calling it "looks like rain", both as a call forward to that song, and as a reference to a line said by a character in the scene. There would even be rain clouds that would be relevant to a scene later in the story.

>>739988926
I've got big memories over Quake 2. my dad brought home a cd that was just labeled in marker "quake 2", and in between trying to figure out how to do multiplayer (never figured it out, was too dumb), I was astounded by the edgy world. yeah a lot of people dislike quake 2 but fuck them, I'm nostalgic.

But max payne always hit the spot.

>>739988950
may be pretty neat. I like the idea of the song especially though. the reference intersecting but maybe not saying the exact same thing.

>>739988783
>I'll say, that the more you do it, the easier it gets. I do still have nights like tonight where I can't get words out, but my "peak performance" of being able to vomit out words gets better and better when I do get into the groove.
I wanted to write a short story to improve my writing skills, at first I got 1.5k words and I thought I could finish it somewhat quickly, I was mistaken and the more I wrote the harder it became, I got kind of a first draft finished but it really sucks in some parts and there are some scenes that must be rewritten and others cut entirely. That was a week ago, this week I barely made any progress editing it, I spent too much time procrastinating.

>I'm trying to force myself to do it more because I feel like it's really difficult. I see some people say action is most difficult to write, but for me I find that getting into a groove where the conversation feels natural and not forced is a challenge.
I want to force myself to do more too, kinda want to write micro stories that are mostly dialogue once I'm done with this bullshit.
>I think I can get in some characters heads really well to figure out what they would say really well
I don't think I can get in any of the characters heads, that seems to be a huge problem to me.

>A good exercise is to take the character you have the most trouble with
Something that I've noticed is that I overthink less when I write scenes on a separate blank document, it's like that tricks my mind into thinking this is a shorter story and I shouldn't worry that much about the quality, I should apply it to editing and see if it helps with that.
>it's still tough.
Sometimes I feel like I'm not built for writing or that I should read way more before even thinking of giving writing a try.

>>739989057
Its a double meaning, since the game is a prequel fangame. The other two songs are "Its Raining Somewhere Else" and later "The Place Where it Rained", one clearly referencing the other. "Looks Like Rain" shows that it hasn't rained yet, but it will, in those other songs. And that's in addition to the other meaning I already said.

>>739988154
>>739988264
>>739988506
People aren't taught to read and write properly these days anons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ynCVmw5AWk
this woman does a fairly good job of explaining it while deliberately avoiding mentioning the political shit (openly) but encouraging people to just go and find it (leading to the same destination)

People are taught to read and write for the sake of the fucking culture war.
They are taught to read emotionally and react in programmed ways to various words, and interpret the text via those emotions, rather than actually reading and understanding it.

More than half of all english majors at two of the best writing universities in america couldn't even read a couple of opening paragraphs of a proper book by Charles Dickens in 2015.
These ENGLISH MAJORS couldn't fucking follow what characters were mentioned, and when the author was being figurative or literal.
Another 38% could barely follow along and were lost the moment a metaphor emerged
About 5% of them could reliably read and talk about THE OPENING PARAGRAPHS.

This study was, as I said, done in 2015.
These "college educated" writers are in their fucking 30's now.
It was deliberately made so they might have to look into wording and settings unfamiliar to them, and only 5% could READ A SMALL SECTION properly.

So how fucked do you think video game writers are, 10 years later?

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>>739989102
>I don't think I can get in any of the characters heads, that seems to be a huge problem to me.
then just practice it and get it wrong. process of elimination yourself into doing it right. Try and write down what some of the driving forces of just one character from any of the games or fangames might be, and then add some traits that you've either seen, or heard that they have, if available, and even if you get the actual "tone" of that character wrong, try and write something that would be that character trying to do something specific. You may get it wrong, but you will probably be closer than before because peoples motivations color how they talk.
What they want in that given moment and all.
>I want to force myself to do more too, kinda want to write micro stories that are mostly dialogue once I'm done with this bullshit.
that's a large part of what I've been doing lately to be honest. I think it helps though I should focus on longer stuff sometime soon.

>kind of a first draft finished but it really sucks in some parts and there are some scenes that must be rewritten and others cut entirely. That was a week ago, this week I barely made any progress editing it,
try only rewriting some of the ones that need rewriting and leaving the others as "wrong" so you can compare and maybe get input.
>I spent too much time procrastinating.
yeah that's about as 'literally me' as it gets.
>Something that I've noticed is that I overthink less when I write scenes on a separate blank document
that sounds like a fantastic Idea, I'll have to give that a try.
>Sometimes I feel like I'm not built for writing or that I should read way more before even thinking of giving writing a try.
the best way to get better is by doing, by writing. Reading helps but don't stop yourself from working on writing because you feel you aren't ready yet. I do it sometimes and I hate that I do it, because it doesn't get me anywhere while I still have that feeling of wanting to write.

>>739988943
Shh... Its ok, she's green.

>>739988926
I love Quake's graphics, especially how it has those big, pre-rendered CG skyboxes. They've got just the right amount of scope and surrealism to make me stop and look, even today.

Question to any anon's who happen to be particularly opinionated on Martlet's visual design:
What is she wearing on her upperbody?
Is that a blue shirt, or a wifebeater or something?
Because her concept art just makes it look like some blue sleeveless shirt, but I've also seen depictions of her where it looks like she's just wearing a tank top or something, so I wanna know what the consensus is.

>>739989339
>They are taught to read emotionally and react in programmed ways to various words, and interpret the text via those emotions, rather than actually reading and understanding it.
learning to engage sincerely with any medium is honestly something a lot of people just can not do now. I get what you're saying, if you are reading something, even if you don't agree with it, it's a skill to actually be able to take in what it said and understand it without getting mentally defensive and flipping to one side or the other on a culture war.
they go into interpreting what is being put on the page in the way "they want" to see it, and end up not actually experiencing the matter.
>About 5% of them could reliably read and talk about THE OPENING PARAGRAPHS.
that's terrifying.
>So how fucked do you think video game writers are, 10 years later?
really bad, but there are still some people who have a better sense about them than that. Not every dev sucks, but there's a hell of a lot less people that can actually competently read or write complex topics.

I think that plays into what was being said about cooking with kindness.

>>739987609
I don't think I have a game that's either of those. Never associated with games like that; maybe I just associated as separate individual experiences. I've had more moments where I flashed back to feelings of the past when I came across old youtube videos/music on accident, which got me all sentimental. Been happening a lot this year for some reason...

>>739989475
Fartlet.

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>>739989536
it's not quite a wifebeater because while those are sleeveless, they also have less cloth towards the neck by a significant amount. Its more like a sleveless t-shirt than a wifebeater itself, which I hope doesn't sound pedantic.

I think the shirt is either very light blue, or white but not quite reflecting, but showing the color of her surrounding feathers as white cloth can do.
Some places it's drawn as very clearly a light blue shirt, but other official art makes it seem like it could almost be white.

>>739989339
I think vidya writers might be better off, since most of them aren't college educated english majors, but instead just uneducated on the subject. Knowing very little on a subject is better than being taught utter bullshit.

Political shit aside, I think the education industry is a racket that does very little actual useful teaching, and does a lot of teaching to sustain itself. Most of what's taught is only useful for getting more schooling, or becoming a teacher to perpetuate the system.

>>739989559
I can understand that. I'm not a big like, following youtubers kind of person, but I still have moments like the first time seeing local 58 or something.

>>739989552
btw, if you want to take a crack at what they had to read:
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1023/1023-h/1023-h.htm#c1
try to read through the first chapter.
BUT!
Imagine that you are a college student, this is a test, and you are MAJORING in being able to read and understand shit at this level.

I think I struggled about as much with this as I did to understand Meditations on Philosophy by Descartes... when I was 16.
They studied so that understanding stuff like this would be their JOB.
They are supposed to make a living off of being able to understand shit like this.
I am as old as those english majors would be by now.
It wouldn't be easy to just read this and then answer questions (without notes) but I could do it.
With notes it would just take some time to read carefully.

>>739989729
The problem is that the mis-education starts in kindergarten, anon.
its in the video.
People are taught to read wrong the moment they GET taught to read at all.
Any videogame writer that is a millennial or younger has passed through the tainted system or got homeschooled to avoid the worst of it.

>>739989684
>they also have less cloth towards the neck by a significant amount.
Okay, not to argue over something pointless, but like.
Wouldn't her blue feather thing on her neck cover that anyway?
I feel like the possibility of it being a wifebeater isn't entirely off the table if we consider that the more exposed neck could be covered by Martlet's feather neck thing.
Whatever that is.
>I think the shirt is either very light blue, or white but not quite reflecting, but showing the color of her surrounding feathers as white cloth can do.
Alright, noted, thank you.
That bit about white cloth does remind me of the gamespoot laser cheese comic though.

>>739989425
>then just practice it and get it wrong. process of elimination yourself into doing it right.
I know I have to practice if I want to improve, I'll try to keep what you said in mind.

>that's a large part of what I've been doing lately to be honest. I think it helps though I should focus on longer stuff sometime soon.
You know what sucks the most? This started as a fun practice, I enjoyed writing the first thousands of words, but then it began to feel like a job, maybe I've should have gone for something even shorter, even if the story is pretty short right now.

>try only rewriting some of the ones that need rewriting and leaving the others as "wrong" so you can compare and maybe get input.
Since I didn't write the story in English, every word must be edited, I can't ignore them, and once I begin the translation I can't stop myself from rewriting some parts, I did it like this to force myself to not go with just my first draft.

>yeah that's about as 'literally me' as it gets.
I wish I did something productive while procrastinating, most of the time was just me staring at the document and going through some of my notes that I've already read too many times.

Skipped school to play Halo 2. That was around when my life fell off a cliff and I'm still crawling around at the bottom unable to get back up today. Good times.

>>739989839
>btw, if you want to take a crack at what they had to read:
I will give it a try, and I'll bookmark that to do so, but I'm going to try and get some writing done tonight since I wasted the majority of my day.
>They are supposed to make a living off of being able to understand shit like this.
the phenomenon of college grads who don't know what the fuck they are doing is well known in the working class world. Getting a psychologist fresh out of college to come change work procedures and all of the behavioral metrics fucking tank because the person doesn't comprehend the stuff they studied to do this, and are failing to apply concepts.

>>739989882
>I enjoyed writing the first thousands of words, but then it began to feel like a job, maybe I've should have gone for something even shorter, even if the story is pretty short right now.

nta but I chuckled.
its the bane of any amateur writer.
writing when you are passionate and inspired is completely different from writing when the inspiration is gone
its the Great Filter of writers and it has doomed many a promising work.

>>739989559
On the subject of nostalgic youtube videos, I think this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69hCkBtleek is the first youtube video I ever watched. I distinctly remember little baby me watching this on my parents' computer.

>>739989868
>Wouldn't her blue feather thing on her neck cover that anyway?
yes, but the way her shirt sits, if it was a wife beater, the way she moves, even with her neck feathers, would show us some of that side when she took off to fly and stuff like that. It could just be shitty spriting that doesn't account for clothes moving as the character moves, but they way Martlet moves specifically, makes me feel like there's more cloth towards the neck side. not a crazy amount, but more than a wife beater.

Like if she lifts her wingsand then swings them down, that should move cloth enough to show some more because those kinds of shirts have basically just a tiny strap of cloth over the shoulders.
>That bit about white cloth does remind me of the gamespoot laser cheese comic though.
I forgot about that shit. maybe it's blue from her feathers under the shirt.

>>739989339
Was that the woman that made the video saying fanfiction destroyed modern literature, or am I thinking of someone else?

>>739989905
I know we're a bunch of autistic fucks around here, but I hope that things turn out for the better for you at some point or another anon. Even if it's not likely I wish you the best.

>>739989536
sleeveless shirt, the neck line is too high to be a wifebeater even with her neck tuft on the way

>>739989882
>I know I have to practice if I want to improve, I'll try to keep what you said in mind.
good luck on it anon, I'll try and forge forward as well.
>You know what sucks the most? This started as a fun practice, I enjoyed writing the first thousands of words, but then it began to feel like a job, maybe I've should have gone for something even shorter, even if the story is pretty short right now.
I know I've made a bad habit of not finishing my main work, but I'm chipping away at it slowly in between working on other things. you could always write the little mini things as you chip away at this. even just tiny bits every day makes a big difference as time goes on.
>Since I didn't write the story in English, every word must be edited, I can't ignore them, and once I begin the translation I can't stop myself from rewriting some parts, I did it like this to force myself to not go with just my first draft
interesting, then you may really want to consider like, doing a couple really small greens and chipping away at the big thing. switching gears and then switching gears back CAN potentially help.
>most of the time was just me staring at the document and going through some of my notes that I've already read too many times.
I'm fighting against doing that myself some nights. working on building that drive to gradually power through, but trying to avoid making it feel like Its a job like you mentioned.

I've been trying to keep in mind the mindset naranjanon talks about with getting even just something small done, and it does add up.

>>739989981
>is the first youtube video I ever watched. I distinctly remember little baby me watching this on my parents' computer.
fucks with my head when I remember people were born after youtube came out and are old enough to post here.
I tell you what though, that's a lot better than the brainrot kids get when they get ahold of youtube now though.

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>>739990078
no clue.
its the only video I came across and she seems dead on with what I have observed.
let me check... yes.
interesting lets take a glance at it...
yeah I am going to have to agree with her on this one as well.
I have been too deep into fanfiction and I know everything she is talking about.
>has an entire section on trigger warnings
>has an entire entire section on smut
>has an entire entire section on faggotshit (BL)
>never-ending interactions with retarded fans of fanfiction with no nuance
>mfw

Oh yeah. No idea what her politics are (and I doubt we would get along) but she knows her shit with writing.

>>739990061
>Like if she lifts her wingsand then swings them down, that should move cloth enough to show some more because those kinds of shirts have basically just a tiny strap of cloth over the shoulders.
Yeah, fair enough.
>I forgot about that shit. maybe it's blue from her feathers under the shirt.
Man, that'd be some awfully thin fabric.
Perhaps she too is vulnerable to laser cheese.

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>>739990324
if she thinks fanfiction itself is bad, I'll have to disagree, I think recreational writing like that can help ease people into writing, and the people who were going to go on to become better writers, are more likely to do that because they got into writing at all, even if it's through a less optimal avenue.
I think the people that fall into the pitfalls of the worst fanfiction has to offer weren't going to develop into great writers anyways because of other issues with their perception and willingness to accept criticism or go outside their comfort zone.

But there are definitely pitfalls to fanfiction, and I'd say one of the biggest is that a lot of people avoid learning how to create characters of their own and get a better handle on character behavior to make them take believable action.
In fact, I'd say all of those things exist in mainstream writing beyond the trigger warnings which well, if you have people using those you often can tell that it's something you should skip.

I fear you wont consider what I'm saying with your stance, but I know some anons here are working to become better writers through fics.

>>739990259
>I know I've made a bad habit of not finishing my main work, but I'm chipping away at it slowly in between working on other things. you could always write the little mini things as you chip away at this. even just tiny bits every day makes a big difference as time goes on.
>interesting, then you may really want to consider like, doing a couple really small greens and chipping away at the big thing. switching gears and then switching gears back CAN potentially help.
Yeah I've been trying that with some moderate success, I did write at least one greentext everyday, so that has to account for something, and I've been coming up with prompts of small interactions between characters to write for later.

>I'm fighting against doing that myself some nights. working on building that drive to gradually power through, but trying to avoid making it feel like Its a job like you mentioned.
I've noticed that going back to writing something is significantly harder than continuing a drawing or going back to coding, but maybe this is something that depends on the person.

>I've been trying to keep in mind the mindset naranjanon talks about with getting even just something small done, and it does add up.
hahaha... fuck, how ironic

>>739990374
>Man, that'd be some awfully thin fabric.
it's probably not something the devs gave a lot of thought to, but it might be nice to consider for a story or drawing. I'm not against the thought.

>>739990307
I was born before youtube. I was being hyperbolic when I said little baby. I would've been a toddler then. I think I started using using pretty early on in its life. That may not have been the first video I watched, but it is the first one I remember. I used to watch nothing but Lego Star Wars stop motion videos, reuploaded newgrounds videos, Oxhorn's WoW machinimas, and 144p music videos.

>>739990704
>it's probably not something the devs gave a lot of thought to, but it might be nice to consider for a story or drawing. I'm not against the thought.
Yeah, I could see that, like her coming home to Anon after getting caught in a rainstorm or something, and her shirt becoming *much* more transparent than it was previously, which the anon notices before she does.

>>739989552
>I think that plays into what was being said about cooking with kindness.
I still don't know what to expect for that game's writing, that "I'm a good person" part is going to be the setup for something they can easily fuck up

>>739990678
>I did write at least one greentext everyday, so that has to account for something
I would say it accounts for a lot. That's good effort.
>and I've been coming up with prompts of small interactions between characters to write for later.
based on what you were saying earlier, it definitely feels like a good thing to work on. I feel like the feeling of not getting in their heads will fade or at least get better at a certain point.
>but maybe this is something that depends on the person.
while this is probably the case to an extent, I feel like getting back into writing something sometimes is tough specifically because I'm trying to get back into that train of thought that let me write 4k words one day. Sometimes I don't hit my groove until it's way past when I should want to go to bed, but I can feel like "I finally know what needs to hit the page" and I'll fuck up my sleep because I don't want to lose that feeling.
>hahaha... fuck, how ironic
small world huh. Well the method has helped me not feel like I'm only spinning my wheels.

>>739990730
>I was born before youtube. I was being hyperbolic when I said little baby. I would've been a toddler then. I think I started using using pretty early on in its life.
fair enough fair enough.
>but it is the first one I remember
I get that, I have a very specific memory of my brother playing mario on the NES, but we had a number of NES games, so who knows which one was ACTUALLY the first one I witnessed.
>I used to watch nothing but Lego Star Wars stop motion videos, reuploaded newgrounds videos, Oxhorn's WoW machinimas, and 144p music videos.
there was a beauty to the old days of youtube when it was a lot more janky.

>>739990849
>I still don't know what to expect for that game's writing, that "I'm a good person" part is going to be the setup for something they can easily fuck up
how they handle that alone will make or break the game in a way. like yeah it's just one line, but I think it will say a LOT about how these devs think and handle complicated topics.

>>739989339
Anon... This just seems like a whole lot of culture war grifter cope...

You are aware that Tobias Foxington is a leftie, right?

>>739990324
I think her take on fanfiction lacks nuance and she puts the cart before the horse on the cause and effect of writing being destroyed. Modern writing got destroyed by the death of reading comprehension, declining literacy rates (people can read, but they don't), and reading becoming almost entirely dominated by middle aged cat ladies to the point it permanently changed what books are allowed to be published by publishers. Shitty fanfiction is just a downstream effect of the that.

Second, fanfiction isn't inherently bad. Sure, most of it is garbage, but most of every artistic medium is garbage. The only difference here is that fanfiction is a 100% amateur field, so there's publishers to curate what you see or editors to refine it into a mass marketable product, and people usually age out of it once they start having bills to pay and can't spend their time writing for free anymore. There is good fanfiction out there, and there's merit in writing it. Its a great way to expand on or respond to the statements being made and themes present in a work, and is good for exercising your character writing skills. Many of the greatest historical works of fiction are fan fiction. Dante's inferno, The Iliad, half of all Arthurian myths. There's nothing inherently wrong with writing a story about an existing character or set in an existing setting.

>>739990807
She may not think anything of it even if she did notice. Casual nudity seems to be pretty common in monster society.

>>739990610
>if she thinks fanfiction itself is bad
she doesnt. its in the intro.

>>739991090
>I think her take on fanfiction lacks nuance
you never bothered to listen to her take.
you are just one of the many retards who never learned to read properly and got filtered.

>>739990885
>I would say it accounts for a lot. That's good effort.
>based on what you were saying earlier, it definitely feels like a good thing to work on. I feel like the feeling of not getting in their heads will fade or at least get better at a certain point.
I'm going back to those prompts once I finish this crap, who knows, maybe a miracle will happen tomorrow and I'll be able to edit most of the story before the end of the day, of course waiting for a miracle is for cowards, I should face that unfinished story.

>while this is probably the case to an extent, I feel like getting back into writing something sometimes is tough specifically because I'm trying to get back into that train of thought that let me write 4k words one day.
Some days I've been able to code for hours or make a full drawing in a day, this rarely happens, other days I only manage to write a few lines of code or make a few small edits on a sprite, don't feel too guilty about it, this is all a hobby.
>Sometimes I don't hit my groove until it's way past when I should want to go to bed, but I can feel like "I finally know what needs to hit the page" and I'll fuck up my sleep because I don't want to lose that feeling.
I can't write when I'm feeling sleepy, it think I still have some creativity left, but the words don't come the way they should, maybe I should force myself harder "write until failure" you could say, I usually can't write for much longer than an hour even when I'm feeling inspired.

>small world huh. Well the method has helped me not feel like I'm only spinning my wheels.
Yeah pretty small world, but I'm glad that my tip has (somehow) helped someone else.

>>739991245
Maybe, but that only seems to apply to monsters that don't actually have anything to cover up to begin with.
So, for the sake of this idea, Martlet needs to have things worth covering up.

>>739991007
I can tell she is a leftie without bothering to look into her politics, yes.
What her politics specifically are I don't know but I can tell they differ from mine, as I said here >>739990324

So fucking what?
She called out the commie bullshit that fucked up schooling without ever naming it as such.
So what if she didn't name it?
She is right, AND she kept her politics out of the videos.

>>739991090
*so there's no publishers
forgive me for the typos, its pretty late

>>739991251
>she doesnt. its in the intro.
I haven't read it, and did not imply that I've read it, but I'm responding to the affirming statement that she thinks it destroyed modern literature earlier in the thread. I'm not going to go watch or read up on her stuff when I'm working on my own things, but do you mind sharing with me a bit about where it diverges from what I was talking about? I feel like it's got a lot of virtue. Maybe I'll listen to what she has to say another time but for the sake of this thread.

>>739991360
>but I'm responding to the affirming statement that she thinks it destroyed modern literature earlier in the thread.
nigger that was the video title not her actual statements on it.
shut the fuck up, stop reacting emotionally to the words, and go look at what she actually wrote instead of sperging out over the VIDEO TITLE.

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>>739991402
>shut the fuck up, stop reacting emotionally to the words,
I'm not reacting emotionally. I was actually just trying to engage with your post since you took the time to talk about it. I was talking for the sole sake of having a discussion -with you-, because you seemed to have thoughts on the matter. I'll make time to look into this chicks opinions later
As I also already said. It sounds more like you are getting emotional here Anon.
I even added this part here in my post
>but do you mind sharing with me a bit about where it diverges from what I was talking about?
>but for the sake of this thread.
to suggest conversation between you and I. I think if anything you've misunderstood the tone and angle of my words.

>>739990103
Thanks.

>>739991251
>you never bothered to listen to her take.
I watched the whole video a year ago, along with another one of her videos on a subject she mentioned in it to get a better understanding of her position. She gave some token caveats, but nothing that actually gave exceptions to her broad statements. She only said "this stuff is all self indulgent garbage, and that's okay, as long as you don't indulge too much in it" which completely disregards the actual argument against her position, which is that no, it is not all self indulgent garbage. Even worse was her "refutation" to all of the counter arguments against her porn video, which was literally just "I don't care" which is no argument at all, but just a direct refusal to engage in discussion.

This woman complains about the culture war, but is just as much a culture warrior as those she fights against. She actively disregards debate and acts willfully ignorant when it benefits her own personal political views.

>you are just one of the many retards who never learned to read properly and got filtered.
Accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being too ignorant to understand is a bad debate tactic. Its the same thing the media literacy crowd does, saying anyone who disagrees with their reading lacks media literacy, when all that does is show their own media illiteracy by showing how they can't understand other people's readings. Its possible to understand something and still disagree with it, and refusing to accept that only shows your own lack of understanding.

>>739991342
I mean Berdly walks around bottomless. If that bluebird is either featureless or nobody cares if he isn't, I don't see why this bluebird would be different.

>>739991517
>I was actually just trying to engage with your post since you took the time to talk about it.
Brother.
You took all that time to engage with nothing more than the VIDEO TITLE
Your intentions mean jack shit when you use them to try to dissect and analyze things you never listened to from a TITLE.
What discussion is there to be had when you know NOTHING relevant and are constructing entire paragraphs around that NOTHING?

Anyways.
In summary, she thinks it destroys writing because of how the entire community of various fanfiction sites, AO3 in particular, evolved and changed so that the most important thing was culture war bullshit and wish-fulfilment.
The sea of garbage, the freaks demanding all the triggers be satisfied, all the twisted and deviant porn young people were getting into, and the communities it led them into.
All of it tying back to communist style of reading for the sake of reinforcing emotional programming.

>>739991690
He lost his schnuts in the accident.
No pants needed.

>>739991251
>she doesnt. its in the intro.
She says she doesn't in the intro, but then goes on to do just that later in the video. She's trying to have her cake and eat it too with her position. Calling fanfiction a blight on society, and saying its as destructive to the psyche as she claims porn is, but then also saying "but I'm not saying its bad though". She very clearly is, but just isn't willing to own up to it.

>>739991690
I'm pretty sure Berdly is meant to be wearing black shorts, they are just shorter than usual, his plush is shirtless and has swimming trunks as well, which is an indicator that he probably wears pants in general.

>>739991281
>I'm going back to those prompts once I finish this crap, who knows, maybe a miracle will happen tomorrow and I'll be able to edit most of the story before the end of the day, of course waiting for a miracle is for cowards
well don't forget your own approach, don't force yourself to burn out on it.
>Some days I've been able to code for hours or make a full drawing in a day, this rarely happens, other days I only manage to write a few lines of code or make a few small edits on a sprite, don't feel too guilty about it, this is all a hobby.
very fair point. Normally I'm having a good time with it but sometimes I let that feeling of "I NEED to do more" creep up on me and frustrate me, but there's always another time to relax and try and write fun stories.
>I can't write when I'm feeling sleepy
depends on the "kind" of sleepy. if I'm in that "second wind after being tired" mode then I can do it. normal tired though yeah, it's going to be a lot of just staring at the screen and wishing I could write. If I stay up way too late I always find myself in that "buzzing with energy and I really should go to sleep" mode.
>it think I still have some creativity left, but the words don't come the way they should,
>maybe I should force myself harder "write until failure" you could say
Ah, probably don't need to force yourself to failure so to speak. It's more just that when I do feel the inspiration hit me, I try to ride it until it fades or "real" tiredness hits me.
>usually can't write for much longer than an hour even when I'm feeling inspired.
I mean an hour is still good. When I try and ultimately get nowhere with drawing, I feel like it's miserable to try and force a whole hour out of myself, so getting that much time of actual productive effort done is good, especially consistently.
>Yeah pretty small world, but I'm glad that my tip has (somehow) helped someone else.
Absolutely, it's a good mindset to not run yourself into the ground.

>>739991643
>She gave some token caveats, but nothing that actually gave exceptions to her broad statements.
As someone who delved deep into fanfiction... she doesn't have to.
It would take another 5 hours to properly go into the details and this aint the board for it.
I could personally spend an hour writing a loose summary breaking down how Harry Potter fanfiction evolved and changed over time, and how the various sweeps on the main site started and led to the creation of AO3 in the first place for all the more twisted fucks to flee to.

>She only said "this stuff is all self indulgent garbage, and that's okay, as long as you don't indulge too much in it" which completely disregards the actual argument against her position, which is that no, it is not all self indulgent garbage.
no, she said that you shouldn't read fanfiction and should demand more from your writers.
you don't remember the video very well.

>Even worse was her "refutation" to all of the counter arguments against her porn video, which was literally just "I don't care" which is no argument at all, but just a direct refusal to engage in discussion.
I know how those communities are, and there is literally no point to going into a mudfight with a pack of wild retards.

>>739991756
no, she is saying that as a whole it is bad, but there can still be good works within it, despite everything wrong with fanfiction.
you are an illiterate retard without nuance.

>>739991763
>well don't forget your own approach, don't force yourself to burn out on it.
Yeah I don't intend to turn this into a torture, but sometimes you do have to force yourself a little, and by "forcing" I mean writing at least a single line in your story when you begin to procrastinate.

>Ah, probably don't need to force yourself to failure so to speak. It's more just that when I do feel the inspiration hit me, I try to ride it until it fades or "real" tiredness hits me.
A few times I started to enjoy the activity after forcing myself, it just takes a bit of time to get on the right mindset, I need to "face the fear" of continuing the story so to speak, until writing becomes as hard as coding and drawing

>usually can't write for much longer than an hour even when I'm feeling inspired.
I mean an hour is still good. When I try and ultimately get nowhere with drawing, I feel like it's miserable to try and force a whole hour out of myself, so getting that much time of actual productive effort done is good, especially consistently.
Right now I'm not consistent with my writing time, but I'm trying to reach that point.

>>739991402
>Stop reacting emotionally
I think you should take your own advice, anon.

>>739992023
nta but it sounds like you got your head in the right place.

>>739991731
>Brother.
>You took all that time to engage with nothing more than the VIDEO TITLE
>Your intentions mean jack shit when you use them to try to dissect and analyze things you never listened to from a TITLE.
>What discussion is there to be had when you know NOTHING relevant and are constructing entire paragraphs around that NOTHING?
yeah, I generally don't play things that have verbal out loud speaking when I'm trying to write because if I hear a voice when I'm trying to write it just fucks with my flow. So I saved the link for later, as well as the other link you gave about the 'test" and didn't open it up.
Talking to people in posts doesn't cause me that issue though, so I figured it would be nice to engage in conversation. It wasn't some effort to disregard you or nothin.
>In summary, she thinks it destroys writing because of how the entire community of various fanfiction sites, AO3 in particular, evolved and changed so that the most important thing was culture war bullshit and wish-fulfilment.
yeah I would say that's semi true, but the reason I say semi, is because the actual congregation happens outside of AO3. this isn't meant to be pedantic, it's more about how people congregate and get into this culture war group think. For instance you can have all of your stories up on Ao3, get exposure TO these people, but you can block any way for them to expose themselves to you, for better or worse.

cont.

>>739991731
>>739992156
over the last 2 decades on the internet, it's become more common to use your real name or to attach your username in some way to your real identity, and people will have their accounts crossed over with their discords, reddits, twitters and all of that, and that's where the "battleground" of those communities form for all the things you described below. Communities of people who have conflated the mask for the self, and let themselves get guided into all of those things you suggested.

Wish fulfillment of course is there and has been since fanfiction was around, but the perversion gets significantly worse when you hop over to things like discord to see and observe the animals in their zoo. That's where you see things like "fictionkinning" take place and where communities bully new members into falling in line with their behaviors.

It's also where certain deviant materials are provided but don't get flagged as rule breaking because it's "progressive" like public servers with children where people are talking about Yaoi and Yuri, having fetishized the concept of these gay people (which isn't new, but it's spread more rampantly).


So what I'd argue is that it's not the fanfictions and fanfiction sites, but instead that all of these little communities are just out of the sight of the commonly indexed web, but in a much more hidden way than forums for instance were back in the olden days. Public discords funnel into private sometimes, or even if it's not private, it's just layers upon layers of "get invited to this public discord that few know about and then you get into this one" and you start interacting with some real fucking perverse people.
though sometimes you interact with those before you get 3 servers deep, but the point stands. while there is a problem, it actually congregates in a bit different place if that makes sense. Like I said, I don't mean it to be pedantic, but it's just what I've seen first hand.

>>739992023
>Yeah I don't intend to turn this into a torture, but sometimes you do have to force yourself a little, and by "forcing" I mean writing at least a single line in your story when you begin to procrastinate.
yeah thats true. If you don't write just because you don't feel like it then you wont get anywhere. just best not to push yourself into a 6 hour grind session because you need to force yourself to finish this right now right now! but yeah you're approaching this in a good way.
>A few times I started to enjoy the activity after forcing myself, it just takes a bit of time to get on the right mindset, I need to "face the fear" of continuing the story so to speak, until writing becomes as hard as coding and drawing
starting is the worst hurdle to something being fun. I love writing about all my favorite things, except when I'm trying to get the first words on the page.
>Right now I'm not consistent with my writing time, but I'm trying to reach that point.
then I'm sure with the mindset and approach you've got you'll get there.
I'd like to see what you get done when it's written. I do think you've got a better grasp on character writing than you think, but it will just get better with time.

>>739991931
>As someone who delved deep into fanfiction... she doesn't have to.
As someone has been deeply involved in it for years, yes she does. You're generalizing the entire medium based on the actions of a few. Even if the vast majority of the medium is like that, to say that it is all like that, or that its an inherent feature of it, is an outright falsehood.

>no, she said that you shouldn't read fanfiction and should demand more from your writers.
Because its all self indulgent garbage, according to her. But lets set that aside for a moment. Even her saying that you shouldn't read fanfiction is a falsehood, because there is fanfiction that is worth reading.

>I know how those communities are, and there is literally no point to going into a mudfight with a pack of wild retards.
Likewise, there's no point in debating, or even listening to the positions of a person who's only defense against counter arguments is "I don't care". It shows that she has no interest in debate, only in enforcing her will on others.

> but there can still be good works within it
Could you post a timestamp of where precisely she says that?

>>739991758
Maybe I've just seen too much fanart of people drawing him like a Looney Tunes character.

>>739992156
>It wasn't some effort to disregard you or nothin.
It was the disregard for what was being talked about that irritated me.

>I say semi, is because the actual congregation happens outside of AO3
she is talking about the entirety of those groups, whether she realizes it or not.
originally it would be in the fanfic.net comments, yahoo email groups (imagine that instead of an internet forum you JUST have a group email.)
then you had forums rise up, such as tumblr, 4chan /lit/, whatever the dedicated hpfanfic forum was, reddit, tvtropes, and discord groups.

Her words cover all of that, anon. And a LOT of those people are either directly part of those networks, or exposed to them secondhand by all the feedback and peer pressure they get.

>>739992196
>Wish fulfillment of course is there and has been since fanfiction was around, but the perversion gets significantly worse when you hop over to things like discord to see and observe the animals in their zoo. That's where you see things like "fictionkinning" take place and where communities bully new members into falling in line with their behaviors.
Oh anon you don't know man.
YOU DONT KNOW.
Back before the original sweeps by fanfictionDOTnet originally began, the Harry Potter archive had its fair share of that stuff.
Rules were easily made a mockery of when there were 750,000+ stories on the HP section to go through and nothing was automated for moderators/admins.

>>739992365
>As someone has been deeply involved in it for years, yes she does. You're generalizing the entire medium based on the actions of a few.
it stopped being the actions of a few and more like the loud 40-60% a DECADE AGO.
I can generalize all the fuck I want.

>Because its all self indulgent garbage, according to her. But lets set that aside for a moment. Even her saying that you shouldn't read fanfiction is a falsehood, because there is fanfiction that is worth reading.
oh look an illiterate retard with no concept of nuance
>Likewise, there's no point in debating, or even listening to the positions of a person who's only defense against counter arguments is "I don't care". It shows that she has no interest in debate, only in enforcing her will on others.
>"how DARE she not engage in a retarded slapfight with a wild pack of retards!"
>It shows that she has no interest in debate, only in enforcing her will on others.
oh look its an illiterate retard with no concept of nuance
>Could you post a timestamp of where precisely she says that?
the INTRO, you illiterate fucking retard.

>>739992291
>yeah thats true. If you don't write just because you don't feel like it then you wont get anywhere. just best not to push yourself into a 6 hour grind session because you need to force yourself to finish this right now right now! but yeah you're approaching this in a good way.
You're right, is just that with this specific case the feeling that I should have ended it a while ago is a bit hard to ignore.

>I'd like to see what you get done when it's written.
I'll post it, eventually, I wish I knew when.
>I do think you've got a better grasp on character writing than you think, but it will just get better with time.
ehhhh, we'll see, this is my first time writing something other than a greentext and something inside a game, it's a very different beast, and I better not state what I really think of my own character writing.
Anyway, thanks for the tips, I'm going to sleep now.

>>739992498
>it stopped being the actions of a few
And like I said right after that, its still wrong to include the other half (according to your statistic there) that aren't part of that group in the same classification of self indulgent garbage that destroyed literature.

>oh look an illiterate retard with no concept of nuance
I'm beginning to suspect you aren't interested in debate, but just want to either have people affirm your positions, or hurl insults at anyone who disagrees with you. I think you have gotten too caught up in the culture war yourself, anon, and are taking this debate much too personally. There's no reason to get this combative over this topic.

>the INTRO, you illiterate fucking retard.
As I already said, she spends the rest of the video directly contradicting what she says in the intro. Going off of the volume of her statements, she says much more in line with her actually viewing fanfiction in its entirety this way than she does only a subset of it. What she did is like saying "I'm not racist, but I hate black people and how they're always stealing and raping white women". Very clearly the person saying that is racist, and the opening line was just an attempt to avoid criticism.

>>739992776
>And like I said right after that, its still wrong to include the other half (according to your statistic there) that aren't part of that group in the same classification of self indulgent garbage that destroyed literature.
and you are wrong and an idiot.
the community is poisoned and the poison didnt stop growing.

>I'm beginning to suspect you aren't interested in debate
this was never a debate.
this was at best a discussion/argument on 4chan.
>I think you have gotten too caught up in the culture war yourself, anon,
I have never once brought up politics, that is you being a faggot
>There's no reason to get this combative over this topic.
you are a retarded faggot who needs to have the truth beaten into you.

>As I already said, she spends the rest of the video directly contradicting what she says in the intro
no, she doesn't.
you are an illiterate faggot and a retard.
You are assuming this because she didn't waste her time re-iterating the intro 90000x so you wouldn't forget.

An intelligent person would keep the intro in mind and frame everything THROUGH the intro.
That is what intros, prefaces, etc are for.
To give you framing.
YOU cannot get this through your thick fucking skull, and keep spouting bullshit because you GENUINELY don't know how to read.

>What she did is like saying "I'm not racist, but I hate black people and how they're always stealing and raping white women"
oh look an emotional strawman.
guess that culture war stuff you were accusing me of was just projection.

Fanfiction has, to ANYone with ANY idea of what good writing looks like, ALWAYS been 95% pure dogshit.
Of the remaining 5%, 90% of it is never finished.
Of that SAME 5%, only a fraction of it is even decent writing.
I have been reading fanfiction for 20 damnable years.
I know what it is.
I know what I have to sift through to find anything worth reading because I spent a long time learning HOW to sift through the muck.

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>>739993159
some faggot wanted to sperg out because the "good name" of his precious fanfiction was besmirched.
Unfortunately for him there was a bigger sperg.

>>739993247
>his precious fanfiction
What fanfiction?

>>739992409
>originally it would be in the fanfic.net comments, yahoo email groups (imagine that instead of an internet forum you JUST have a group email.)
I have been around for a long time anon, I'm aware of how things used to work. You're forgetting things like IRC which was still bigger in those days.
I will however allow myself to be pedantic for just a moment and I hope you'll excuse me, but being an oldfag, it feels gross seeing 4chan called a forum. Back in the day people were more adamant about the fact that it was an imageboard 'not' a forum.

>Her words cover all of that, anon. And a LOT of those people are either directly part of those networks, or exposed to them secondhand by all the feedback and peer pressure they get.
the key point is that the pipeline is the reverse of what she's asserting , and always has been. it's not the fanfiction sites and gatherings where this all comes from, it was all funneled FROM those forums, IRCs, and as new mediums came into play, those just got added to the list (though almost no one uses IRC now). It was actually much more rare for the feedback and peer pressure to be secondhand, as the flow was from those places and then ONTO Fanfiction.net, and so on.
Also a big driving force behind what shifted things to AO3 was how litigious certain authors were claiming their works were not allowed, but that's fairly unrelated to what we're talking about.
So you're right, there is this issue that you're talking about, it just flows from the congregating sites to Ao3 and not the other way around (vastly).
>Oh anon you don't know man.
YOU DONT KNOW.
I very much so know. I was there. I was also there when early 4chan made a habit of hunting down fanfictions and even worse, just independent stories that were only published in very obscure personal websites that don't exist anymore.

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>>739992409
>>739993296
Generally even when rules weren't followed on sites like that, people had private subcommunities (back when the internet had way more niche websites) that would host them, or as I stated, were sometimes hosted by the poster on their own private webpage that you were not likely to ever find. People posting their absolute worst perversions out there in the open and yet the open was like the depths of space where no one was ever going to find it (most likely except by chance).

There was a difference though between someone's private smut, which was horribly disgusting and I still think about sometimes the fact that I was exposed to this, and someone in a discord server roleplaying as a mother and daughter despite being adults, and forcing everyone else into the roleplay in that you are expected to interact with them at this level. And then parading around concepts like yaoi and mpreg to children. Yes the depths of depravity get worse than just yaoi and mpreg, but this is now the "starting point" and it gets worse from here. "dead dove do not eat" is dead dove do not eat for a reason.

I will say this again, the pipeline is community to fanfiction domain in the vast majority of cases.

this is a cliche image but I think it's fitting.

>>739993159
You can still talk about fangames if you want

>>739993247
>good name
everyone knows there's a ton of sick shit in fanfiction. There's still value in it, as there is with creative expression in general.
>>739993159
I didn't think it was that bad but I can give it a rest if it's that much of a mess. I was keeping pretty level about things. so what would you like to discuss?

>>739993443
>so what would you like to discuss?
Honestly, not even sure anymore, I came back to talk about fangames or whatever and found these big ol' walls of text about whatever the fuck.
Endings, didn't we try and talk about the nature of normal and "true" endings before?
That could've been interesting.

>>739993296
>I will however allow myself to be pedantic for just a moment and I hope you'll excuse me, but being an oldfag, it feels gross seeing 4chan called a forum. Back in the day people were more adamant about the fact that it was an imageboard 'not' a forum.
fair

>the key point is that the pipeline is the reverse of what she's asserting , and always has been. it's not the fanfiction sites and gatherings where this all comes from, it was all funneled FROM those forums, IRCs, and as new mediums came into play, those just got added to the list (though almost no one uses IRC now).
>It was actually much more rare for the feedback and peer pressure to be secondhand, as the flow was from those places and then ONTO Fanfiction.net, and so on.

its not a true pipeline anon.
anyone getting into this stuff will be invited into the communities and sent straight to the source, so long as they go the right way.
if you do not meet what they like they will try to force you to convert.
if you still refuse they will try to get your stuff removed.

Also you view AO3 as the center of this a bit too much.
I see AO3 and FanficDOTnet as something where things flow in between them still.

>I very much know
Then I don't see why you argue with me on this specific point, unless you just happened to not be there RIGHT during those sweeps.
These weren't older stories (at the time) getting caught up.
They were newer ones.


>>739993443
>everyone knows there's a ton of sick shit in fanfiction.
and there you go with your enraging lack of nuance again.
its not JUST sick shit.
its DOGSHIT.
as in shit writing IN GENERAL.

Fuck I miss when I would come across ACTUAL authors who were writing fanfiction for practice.
Even the casual silly shit like Mr Black was better than 95% of what you will find in fanfiction, and that was a deliberate crack fic.

>>739993073
>and you are wrong and an idiot.
>the community is poisoned and the poison didnt stop growing.
So because some people are writing stories about Harry Potter being trapped in a rape dungeon, that means the guy who wrote his idea for a better Star Wars sequel needs to be painted with the same brush of self indulgent destroyed of literature as them?

>this was never a debate.
>this was at best a discussion/argument on 4chan.
So what, you only use this site to get angry and yell at people?

>I have never once brought up politics, that is you being a faggot
You did without even trying to, that's the staple of being a culture warrior. I can already tell your politics just from what you've said here.

>who needs to have the truth beaten into you.
That's never convinced anyone. You're just going to make people dig their heels in and double down to spite you.

>An intelligent person would keep the intro in mind and frame everything THROUGH the intro.
No, an intelligent person would understand hypocrisy and contradictory statements. There is no framing what she said through that lens when she blatantly contradicts it later on. That's intellectual dishonesty masquerading as intellectualism. No amount of shouting "learn to read" is going to make what she did any less dishonest.

>oh look an emotional strawman.
You're the one getting emotional over it. It doesn't matter what the actual subject matter was, I just used "I'm not racist but" because its a really common example of what I'm talking about. I supposed I could have used "I'm not gay, but I think Jason Statham is hot", but there's not really a stigma around homosexuality anymore, so hardly anyone would have a reason to lie about it. The racism example works better. Besides, its not like anyone here cares about the sacred cow of racism. You call someone a racist here and the answer is "Yeah, lmao". Hardly going to have an emotional impact on the average threadgoer (except for you apparently)

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>>739992498
>oh look an illiterate retard with no concept of nuance
you've got some unresolved anger issues.

>>739993159
Someone decided to walk into a fanfiction thread and loudly proclaim how fanfiction sucks, then got mad when people disagreed with him.

>>739993509
I wonder of the other fangames will follow UTY steps and make the pacifist ending the "canon" one, I also wonder how many fangames will have the balls to make the best ending not be pacifist

>>739993509
>big ol' walls of text about whatever the fuck.
I mean it's a wall of text about fanfictions ostensibly, but one person seems pretty on edge.

anyways, far as endings are concerned, there was a good question being brought up about stuff like cave story where the secret ending is literally a secret that the game expects you to miss most likely, and some people consider that good design and some hate it, and I don't think there's an objective right answer on it since some people just love esoteric secrets and others don't want the game jerking them around.
there's probably no fine line where you can perfectly appeal to both sides on that because they want different things yeah?

>>739993543
>So because some people are writing stories about Harry Potter being trapped in a rape dungeon, that means the guy who wrote his idea for a better Star Wars sequel needs to be painted with the same brush of self indulgent destroyed of literature as them?

congratulations you figured out how the real world works.
yes.
yes it DOES mean that.
the world will not stop to autistically list and exclude every single PRECIOUS exception you want it to.

>wahhhhh its not a debate
this is 4chan. not some retarded highschool kids in a club or retarded e-celebs talking on a camera.

>I FELT your politics so uh..... YOU brought it up first!
retard

>That's never convinced anyone
its convinced enough that I keep doing it even if many of you faggots just run.

>No, an intelligent person would understand hypocrisy and contradictory statements.
ah yes prefaces and framing MAGICALLY don't matter because YOUR retarded ass doesn't know how it works
she was never dishonest.
you are illiterate.

>You're the one getting emotional over it
NO U!

>>739993610
>I wonder of the other fangames will follow UTY steps and make the pacifist ending the "canon" one,
I mean, it's UT, it makes sense.
I doubt too many fangames are gonna be willing to throw away the whole "no one has to die" theme for the sake of being subversive, or that they'd actually be able to do it well.
I can imagine one or two of the fangames from here might try that, but I'm skeptical if it could be done well without just feeling like changing things for the sake of it.
>I also wonder how many fangames will have the balls to make the best ending not be pacifist
>inb4 someone says UTY did that in the genocide ending

>>739993662
but one person seems pretty on edge.
running into people even more autistic than me is irritating

>>739993509
The argument was about fanfiction, which fangames are a form of.

Is this thread full of bots? What the fuck

>>739993073
>hurr durr mysterious commies le ruined everything and made kids gay and illiterate and shieeet
>no its not political ackchually
>unga bunga you disagree with me "lobs generic insults"
>I AM NOT EMOTIONAL NO U R!1!

Reminder that this is literaly a thread for a fangame, which is fan fiction... Why are you here?

>>739993716
you're the one getting tied in a knot over people not seeing things your way. I think you may have the worse autism.
>>739993768
no, a conversation broke out, and one person got upset.

>>739993768
Why is there always a guy who thinks any major argument is bots?
Like, every fuckin' time.

>>739993542
>and there you go with your enraging lack of nuance again.
Different person.

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I really like the monster Val design Naranjadev (pretty sure) made last night or something, it's cool looking.
Any other instances of fangame creators here making weird "alternate takes" of their own stuff?

>>739993789
you are just the one guy who keeps trying to bait lol

>>739993793
in my experience the most autistic people tend to be brick walls that will mindlessly repeat their bullshit once they get into a loop.
When I do it my friends think its ragebait.

>>739993813
my mistake for thinking you were the same person but the point stands.

>>739993676
>this is 4chan
the great thing about 4chan is that when people level with each other and treat each other with some modicum of respect, it's not because we're forced to by social convention, it's because we're actively making the choice to have a good time even though nothing is forcing us to.
you are a petulant child and when given freedom, your response is to thrash about because you feel repressed in your daily life.

When you 'can' do anything, it makes the choice to work with people that much more meaningful. That said, you're welcome to relax at any point once you've gotten this out of your system.

>>739993908
You can do anything too, but you insist on being a retard who refuses to learn what a preface or an intro is for in writing, and then claims that any failure to repeat that intro's exclusions again and again and again and again anytime any general statement is made....
is the same as saying "im not racist but I hate black people"

You are a retard and I am raging against your retardation in the hope that one day you learn to not be as retarded.

>>739993676
>yes it DOES mean that.
It means that for ignorant mobs because they choose to make it that way for their own convenience. You don't have to add a million exceptions, you can just change the wording of your argument so you don't start calling for the heads of innocent people because they shop at the same grocery store as the serial killers.

>this is 4chan. not some retarded highschool kids in a club or retarded e-celebs talking on a camera.
Its still not helpful for anyone to just go around making an ass of yourself. But fine I guess if you want every conversation you're involved in to turn into a shitflinging match then you do you.

>its convinced enough that I keep doing it even if many of you faggots just run.
No longer wanting to talk to you isn't running away. Its just doing better things with their time.

>ah yes prefaces and framing
The statements she makes in the video fundamentally break the framing and change it into something else. I can preface an argument all I want, if I actively contradict that preface, it becomes null and void.

But whatever anon, I'm just gonna go back to writing fanfiction in the video game fanfiction thread you somehow bumbled into, despite hating the medium as a whole.

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STOP FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>739993768
You know that human beings can type too, right? Its possible for a human being to have a long winded conversation. Writing walls of text isn't an ability exclusive to bots.

>>739993542
>if you do not meet what they like they will try to force you to convert.
as I stated, this happens at the meeting point, as I have observed directly. the beat down of personality occurs at induction.
>Also you view AO3 as the center of this a bit too much.
I am not calling it the center. I am stating that when you say it flows from left to right, it's actually flowing from right to left. If anything, the congregating points are the center.
>Then I don't see why you argue with me on this specific point, unless you just happened to not be there RIGHT during those sweeps.
These weren't older stories (at the time) getting caught up.
They were newer ones.
because I was around and had a better perspective on the whole of events, which I already explained.

>Fuck I miss when I would come across ACTUAL authors who were writing fanfiction for practice.
there's plenty of this still, but you sound like you'd like to stay in your coma over beliefs that lack perspective. There are still people that write fanfiction and then go on to make official works, and others that are still working on getting published

There's also mountains of regular stuff, stuff with decent writing, still in developing writing, and some pretty excellent writing.
you approach this matter with a certain amount of anger in you, and that anger is making you see what you want to see when it's actually easier to filter out the sick shit than ever before.


speaking of, do you write? this is not a trick or a test, you don't have to write to criticize writing of course, I'm just curious.

>>739993908
sorry, looks like you were a different retard

>>739994018
>It means that for ignorant mobs because they choose to make it that way for their own convenience
not everyone has the time to be knowledgeable about your random ass fanfiction.

>you can just change the wording of your argument so you don't start calling for the heads of innocent people because they shop at the same grocery store as the serial killers.
retarded hyperbole.
your fanfiction being lumped in with the other 95% is not the same as demanding people be killed.

>No longer wanting to talk to you isn't running away. Its just doing better things with their time.
congrats you emotionally reframed things to mean the same thing.

>The statements she makes in the video fundamentally break the framing and change it into something else. I can preface an argument all I want, if I actively contradict that preface, it becomes null and void.
No, you are a retard who cannot comprehend because she didn't do whatever magical dance is needed to unlock your thick fucking skull and let information flow through.

>>739994062
hey man, if you want to respond to any of my fangame related posts or bring any of your own up, I'm glad to respond to them instead of this guy who's really upset.

>he does so in a fan-fiction thread

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>>739994005
neat, but hey, when you work this out of your system like I said you're welcome to come back to the dinner table with us.
the phase you're going through is pretty common, especially as harsh as the world is these days so I forgive you for being a goof.

>>739993662
>and some people consider that good design and some hate it, and I don't think there's an objective right answer on it since some people just love esoteric secrets and others don't want the game jerking them around.
Honestly, both perspectives are fair.
I think it depends on how unintuitive the secret ending is, whether or not I could figure out how to get it by myself, or even just stumble into it or something.
Maybe the best middleground is to have the game nudge you in the right direction somehow after a certain point, like how Flowey basically spells out how to get the pacifist ending if you do enough neutral runs in a row.

>>739994249
Huh, and who's this fellow?

>>739994268
I think that what flowey does is pretty good.
I personally do like when things in games are obtuse and confusing, having grown up with NES games I'm used to "burn this specific bush here" but that's a generational thing, and not necessarily good game design.
It's one of those "I want game to still be made to appeal to my niche ball busting tastes sometimes too" thing.

for cave story, it's pretty goofy how you get the secret ending, and I feel like it was designed to be discovered by someone in the early internet and spread by word of mouth, so while the secret itself is bullshit, any given individual is going to probably find about it through that word of mouth which I like because that's how things worked in the nes/snes times with playground rumors.

>>739994249
it has dawned on me that we've tentatively known of skully's existence for a long time, but know fucking nothing about him.

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found some art. not too many things this time but a couple things.

>>739994409
I thought she was a "she"

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>>739994379
>It's one of those "I want game to still be made to appeal to my niche ball busting tastes sometimes too" thing.
Eh, I can respect some ball busting here and there.
Wait, no-
>for cave story, it's pretty goofy how you get the secret ending, and I feel like it was designed to be discovered by someone in the early internet and spread by word of mouth, so while the secret itself is bullshit, any given individual is going to probably find about it through that word of mouth which I like because that's how things worked in the nes/snes times with playground rumors.
I do actually kinda like secrets like that, stuff that's way harder to naturally come across on your own, especially with stuff like how people first discovered the snowgrave route in DR (even if Toby had to go and put a thing in-game telling people how to do it anyway), but that does kinda rely on the existence of a medium for information to actually spread through, which isn't always accessible.
As for Cave Story, I don't know much about it other than mimigas sexy.

>>739994496
I didn't know that. I just know the picture and the name.

>>739994180
>not everyone has the time to be knowledgeable about your random ass fanfiction
If you're going to start making calls for action and making accusations, then you have a duty to make the time to educate yourself about the people you're accusing.

>your fanfiction being lumped in with the other 95% is not the same as demanding people be killed.
Yet you still disregard my point. You're grouping people together and punishing them all for the actions that only some of them have committed.

>congrats you emotionally reframed things to mean the same thing.
So if they stop arguing with you about writing fanfiction and go back to writing the fanfiction you want them to stop writing, that's a win for you?

>No, you are a retard who cannot comprehend because she didn't do whatever magical dance is needed to unlock your thick fucking skull and let information flow through.
This is the problem with intellectuals as a class. They'll say blatantly false or contradictory things, and then invent a rule or framing to hide behind and then accuse you of being stupid for not seeing it. I see the framing, I'm saying the framing is obviously false and used merely to couch her position since she's too afraid of criticism to properly face it.

>>739994169
>there's plenty of this still, but you sound like you'd like to stay in your coma over beliefs that lack perspective. There are still people that write fanfiction and then go on to make official works, and others that are still working on getting published
no, I don't come across it because I stopped getting into fanfiction and got into light novels.
I got tired of it

>you approach this matter with a certain amount of anger in you
half of what you see is anger at my fellow autist for being stupid.
I spent years as something akin to rainman and had to fix myself as best I could on my own.
Learned to hate that part of me and hate it in other people... but I don't take any of that into reading.
Reading is... it just is.
When I am looking for something to read the outside falls away anon.
I don't take the outside with me.
I follow whatever algorithmic habits I have formed for searching and find something, check the blurb, (if its a light novel I check comments) and then I read.

Like I said above... I just don't get into fanfiction as much anymore.
>it's actually easier to filter out the sick shit than ever before.
filtering was never an issue. I grew completely numb while searching back when I came across a blurb explaining that the fic was about Lucius malfoy literally skull fucking his son's brain.
on old FFdotNet, so the best filter I had was word count, but it cut out a lot of unfinished and smaller stuff.

>speaking of, do you write?
I have tried. Ran into the big filter of being able to write well when the inspiration isn't there.
I can get inspired, picture a moment, get into a scene or a character's head, and write well enough that casuals like my friends think its great.
But that's just a snippet.
writing a good snippet is easy.
Writing a coherent story and managing all the threads as it gets heavy is HARD.
Its deceptively harder to step into an EXISTING story and manage all those threads.
I think a lot of video game writing struggles with this.

>>739994528
>I don't know much about it other than mimigas sexy.
made me laugh
but anyways at one point a guy falls in a pit, if you go down to the pit as expected, he gives you rocket boots, and dies because he doesn't have anything else he needs to pass on, and you go on to the normal ending which is still a cool ending, it's just not the secret ending.

however there's a little red pixel on the ground in the room where that guy falls into a pit. normally you feel like you need that guys booster to get across the pit, but if you jump at that red pixel, it doesn't "do" anything but it marks where you need to jump from to successfully make the tight jump across the gap.
later on it turns out the guy doesn't die because with no one jumping down there, he thinks he needs to keep on living and manages to willpower his way out of there,living long enough to make an advanced version of his jet boots.

there's other stuff from there that is a little less esoteric, but it goes against player expectation and takes someone saying "wait, what's this red mark for?"

>>739994557
>If you're going to start making calls for action and making accusations, then you have a duty to make the time to educate yourself about the people you're accusing
Nobody made any calls to action besides the woman asking for readers to have standards.

>Yet you still disregard my point. You're grouping people together and punishing them all for the actions that only some of them have committed
Yeah I am grouping the 5% with the 95%.
You don't have a point. The point is that THAT is how the world works and how people work with things they don't want to know all the details of.
And fanfiction is niche.

>So if they stop arguing with you about writing fanfiction and go back to writing the fanfiction you want them to stop writing, that's a win for you?
another strawman. a win is when I break through your skull and you start getting some of what I am saying.

>This is the problem with intellectuals as a class.
this isn't some weird class thing.
this is YOU being autistic.
This is YOU obsessing because you do not understand how a preface works and you think every single generalizing statement EVER needs to autistically list every exclusion EVERY time.

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>>739994409
Skully, he's a character from Oldentale. Former soldier, got put on medical leave after he lost an arm (still looking for it by the way, tell him if you find it), then he deserted when the doctor wasn't looking. Now he's running a junk shop full of items he... borrowed... from his fallen comrades to get enough money to make it home.

I could write something with him if you want

>>739994496
I don't know where you got that from. Skully is a guy. I just gave him roaring knight colors because he is also a deer skeleton.

>>739994719
>I could write something with him if you want
I would love that. I'll be honest, the characters you come up with are one of the things that makes me look forward to your setting the most.
>I don't know where you got that from. Skully is a guy. I just gave him roaring knight colors because he is also a deer skeleton.
not this anon but, damn. Guy probably thought he finally had a lady skeleton to bone

>>739994379
>>739994268
The subject of secrets has me thinking of the Weird Route, which is very much like that in terms of sounding like a playground rumor. Same for the eggs and the sword route.

>>739994719
>(still looking for it by the way, tell him if you find it)
Okay, that's funny.
Rest of that's neat, he seems like the kind of guy you'd see in UT's world.
>I could write something with him if you want
I take it none of the other ideas in the dead thread spoke to you?
Sure, seeing this guy and more of your world would be cool, shoot.

>>739994557
>I'm saying the framing is obviously false and used merely to couch her position since she's too afraid of criticism to properly face it.
this shit is exhausting. Like you catch someone arguing from a false premise from the very start and you spend time trying to get them to actually face the conversation, and 30 minutes later you realize they never were willing to actually level and engage.

we've had some stupid arguments here but even when I've been most frustrated about feeling a discussion wasn't engaged with, it wasn't that level of bad.

>>739994772
>. Guy probably thought he finally had a lady skeleton to bone
He does have a sister. I still haven't made a design for her though.

> would love that.
Anything in specific or is this just a blank check?

>>739994812
the weird route feels like a love letter to this kind of stuff for sure, like toby really understood the feeling behind how good it felt to find that stuff.
hell, the moment snowgrave gets cast, it feels like when someone is describing a creepy pasta thing to you in the best way.

>>739994719
Weren't there a guy who wanted to fuck "her"? Also "he" has feminine proportions

>>739994658
>made me laugh
I'm right and I will say it.
Especially King.
>there's other stuff from there that is a little less esoteric, but it goes against player expectation and takes someone saying "wait, what's this red mark for?"
That sounds pretty weird and esoteric to base a "true" ending on, but I guess I've heard worse.
As long as the game itself isn't too long, and it's meant to be replayed, I guess that's not too bad.

>>739994896
>Anything in specific or is this just a blank check?
blank check because I don't know enough about this character (anything really) to inform my autism on what to ask for.

>>739994667
I think generalizing statements should be avoided in most cases if possible. They're simply bad form because of how much they tend to hit unintended targets.

>>739995030
You cannot go into proper detail on everything every time.

You cannot make a video for "casuals" on a topic without generalizing.
Its impossible.
The very nature of summarizing things requires such generalizations, especially when the edge cases are so very few.

That is why you put in a preface.

>>739994568
>Learned to hate that part of me and hate it in other people
I grew out of that in my teens. Hope you'll get over it one day as well.

>>739994935
>I'm right and I will say it.
it just caught me funny
>That sounds pretty weird and esoteric to base a "true" ending on, but I guess I've heard worse.
it is but it's also a situation where the game doesn't feel like it's holding you to "better get the true ending bitch"
there's a famous image, and edit I think from an ultraman movie where the characters are around the screen in disbelieve "there's another ending?"
It's more like something that you beat the game, and then find out later as internet rumors spread "there's a secret ending???!"

the game is very short, and the normal ending is still a victory over the bad guy and all that, it's just that "but wait, there's more" in a way that I wont elaborate on for spoilers sake in case you ever decide to play it.
really solid game and a testament to what a single man can dev up before indie games really took off.

Music spoilers so if that kind of thing is important to you then of course don't click.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtxp70tVHyM


I really recommend you give the game a shot sometime.

>>739995121
Well sorry but people can't just grow out of rainman-levels of autism into "semi-functional" autism in their teens.

>>739994918
>Weren't there a guy who wanted to fuck "her"?
I don't seem to remember that. I don't anyone has taken any special interest in skully so far

>Also "he" has feminine proportions
How? He's a skeleton, he's got no meat on his bones. His hips aren't even pronounced.

>>739995261
Compare him with Papyrus or sans...

>>739995137
>it is but it's also a situation where the game doesn't feel like it's holding you to "better get the true ending bitch"
Alright, guess it's fine then.
>the game is very short, and the normal ending is still a victory over the bad guy and all that, it's just that "but wait, there's more" in a way that I wont elaborate on for spoilers sake in case you ever decide to play it.
I have actually been meaning to play it for about the last decade or so, but I dunno where to get it.

>>739994830
>I take it none of the other ideas in the dead thread spoke to you?
it died before I saw any.

>>739995379
I'll grab them for you, just a sec.

>>739994568
>Learned to hate that part of me and hate it in other people
goodness anon, that is simply not healthy. You can adapt and work on becoming more socially capable without self hatred.
Personally when I go to the gym or eat healthy, or practice social habits it's to give a shit about myself in totality.
I mean you can dislike parts of yourself but that's next level.
>I can get inspired, picture a moment, get into a scene or a character's head, and write well enough that casuals like my friends think its great.
But that's just a snippet.
well yeah it's just a snippet but it's a really important one.
there's value in a 'casuals' opinion. it's honest in a way the trained eye stops being. it feels and therefore it knows, and if your snippet made him feel something, you should try expanding on that and working on those connections.
i'm aware that it's hard of course, but that's no reason not to do it.
>filtering was never an issue. I grew completely numb while searching back when I came across a blurb explaining that the fic was about Lucius malfoy literally skull fucking his son's brain.
on old FFdotNet, so the best filter I had was word count, but it cut out a lot of unfinished and smaller stuff.
filtering is a lot better these days, while you still run into stuff that slips past the filter, generally I don't have trouble avoiding that kind of stuff. If I actually expose myself to the writing then yeah it's upsetting, but generally i'm fine if I can just skim and see "oh that's a bad thing I'm not opening that fic" but generally it's gotten a lot easier to just have those not show up at all.

>I think a lot of video game writing struggles with this.
most medias have a lot of trouble tying up those threads more than people realize.

>>739994865
I'm starting to think that's where this discussion is at. This guy clearly isn't willing to accept my assertion that she's arguing under false framing, and since that's the basis of my problems with her arguments, there's really no further debate to be had here apart from constant back and forth on this one point of contention, which is going nowhere.

>>739995379
Okay, there were only two.
This was the first reply to your post: "Gizmo and Cole gamer dual (Kanako secretly helps him)"
And this was the second (mine): "If you're willing to, I'd like to see a green based on that discussion of Felnault, with Reynault managing to beat him at his own game by exposing Felnault for his crimes and getting him executed for them.
How they would actually exist in the same context isn't important, maybe Reynault just got temporarily displaced into Felnault's world, I just wanna see them interact.
Alternatively, it'd be cool to see a green about Racter (being controlled by the player) encountering Felnault in the same context as that discussion a while back."

>>739995376
https://www.cavestory.one/download/cave-story.php
most people reccomend you play the freeware version with the old translation, which is on this site
there's cave story plus which most classic fans say "why the fuck should you pay for that when the dev released his game for free 20 years ago?"

>>739995101
>You cannot go into proper detail on everything every time.
Then don't make general statements, just make specific statements. Instead of "this group is bad because X" say "There's a certain faction within group which is a problem because X" that eliminates the problem. Its not that hard.

>>739995226
I was talking about hating other people for being as autistic as you.

>>739995346
I drew the sprite using Papyrus as reference. Anyways I still don't see it.

>>739995545
Oh, cool.
Resolution seems a bit odd on my steam deck and decade old monitor, but it seems tolerable enough.
Yeah, I'll check this out when I have some time soon between drawings.

>>739995462
>This guy clearly isn't willing to accept my assertion that she's arguing under false framing
I would say it's stopping even quicker because he's not willing to recognize the assertion at all and engage with it and just arguing past it, while using a sense of superiority to convince him that means he's the 'winner'.
in other words yeah it's a waste of time.

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>>739995261
>He's a skeleton, he's got no meat on his bones. His hips aren't even pronounced.
Kindly consult these anatomical charts.

>>739995427
>goodness anon, that is simply not healthy.
I know its not healthy, but its what I have.
Its by far the best thing that keeps pushing me to mentally change, bit by bit.

>well yeah it's just a snippet but it's a really important one.
I view the foundation of being able to write as being able to take a snippet and jump off from there.
>if your snippet made him feel something, you should try expanding on that and working on those connections.
>i'm aware that it's hard of course, but that's no reason not to do it.
my passion is writing code, not stories.
its still using a keyboard to assemble legos but... well I can do code better.
I can break down code and get into the head of a coder.
I cannot break down every character and get in THEIR head beyond a mere snippet.
Always figured the autism was the blocker there.

>most medias have a lot of trouble tying up those threads more than people realize.
I think that a great deal of shoddy video game writing, and writing for other large franchises, ties back to a lack of care for those threads.

the first time I personally began to understand how hard it was... was running into perfectlionhearts' timeloop fanfics.
They are shitty but man it was cool when it felt like stuff was going somewhere... but ultimately he was rambling and letting the loops spiral out of his control before giving up.

>>739994865
>>739995462
>>739995842
there is no false framing.
the vast majority of fanfiction is something that can and will be generalized, and the two of you are unwilling to face and accept that despite a concession being made for the VERY RARE occurrence of decent fanfics.
Its a video made for people who don't know fanfiction, don't know what its like or how to filter and have standards for what you consume.

>>739995636
I don't hate THEM lmao
You cannot just hate a person without knowing them.
I hate the autism IN them that is worse or equal to where I am, and matches or exceeds where I was.

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>>739995726
I hope you like it. It's not probably going to be the revolutionary experience like how UTY has haunted many of our minds for years, but it's a solid game with a lot of heart put into it, 100 percent built from the ground up by pixel, and I just think it's a fun game.

the dungeon to beat the true ending is pretty tough for the average player.

>>739995861
I'll KINDLY rip the skeletons out of monster bodies. Must genoslide them with KINDNESS like our hero Codester

>>739995954
Seems like the sort of thing I'd like.
Guess I'll report back on whether or not I liked it once I beat it, but probably with a small post instead of those 40k+ character rentries I did for RQ and NQ a while back now.
Maybe I'll have some thoughts on it that are relevant to fangames, who knows.

>>739995261
>he's got no meat on his bones
Skully has a small dick confirmed.

>>739996114
sounds good.
on a side note that's related to the whole "fan content" thing.
Recently someone released a hip hop album that is a walkthrough of the game that they've been working on since 2013. I'm just sharing this with you because it's some of the most amazing autism I've ever seen.

It's just amazing to me what games will drive us to create you know?

>>739995861
Skully is clearly the one on the left though. He's got the wide V shaped ribs, oversized head, massive hand, hips smaller than his shoulders. Really all he's missing is the pronounced lower jaw (still looking for that one too, if you see it)

My drawing of Reynault getting piped has reached 8 upvotes and ten favorites, making it now my most popular Oldentale drawing, save for the one of Wiki getting eaten out and bleating.
I saw someone bring it up once before, but I really do wonder how people are gonna react to these sorts of images existing so long before the games they're fanart of actually came out.

>>739996189
>Recently someone released a hip hop album that is a walkthrough of the game that they've been working on since 2013. I'm just sharing this with you because it's some of the most amazing autism I've ever seen.
Oh I know, I was on /v/ that day, I saved the playlist on youtube but I'm waiting to listen to it until I beat the game.
Or until I get stuck and feel like using a more fun but probably less helpful guide to get unstuck.
>It's just amazing to me what games will drive us to create you know?
Yeah, I like seeing people get inspired to do stuff based on things like that.
I mean, UTDR itself is basically just Toby being inspired by other things to make his own things, so it fits.

>>739995871
>despite a concession being made for the VERY RARE occurrence of decent fanfics.
No concession was made. Her argument itself argues as though there is no exception to whole, when there is a sizable one.

>Its a video made for people who don't know fanfiction,
All the more reason for it to be truthful, so they don't get an inaccurate picture and start making assumptions that they shouldn't.

>I hate the autism IN them that is worse or equal to where I am, and matches or exceeds where I was.
Its still a miserable thing to do, and is only going to drag you down in the long run. Learn to love the cringe, its what makes you human.

>>739996150
He may have no meat, but he's got a pretty big bone. Quite a few actually, though less than he used to. Seriously, has anyone seen that arm? I'll give you like... ten G if you find it.

Playing a dangerous game talking about mimiggers in this thread.

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>>739987609
>Better or even worse times
World of Warcraft.
I was an awkward kid who couldn't socialize normally and spent way too much time on WoW as a result and for many other reasons.
I made a lot of friends, some I still have. I have a lot of good memories. It probably wasn't for the best, but in all honesty if it wasn't WoW that I wasted time on it would have been something else even worse. Bizarrely enough, by playing WoW enough I did learn a few things about peoples behaviors, just not the ones that help me interact normally.

>>739996371
>Seriously, has anyone seen that arm? I'll give you like... ten G if you find it.
I dunno, I feel like I could get a better selling price elsewhere.
Maybe I'll just keep it in case I need it for a quest later.

>>739996289
>I mean, UTDR itself is basically just Toby being inspired by other things to make his own things, so it fits.
very true.
I'll stop running this off topic, but if you decide to go for the secret ending, you can miss a couple moments easily so youll want to look up how, so if you decide to do it first or second run just keep that in mind.

>>739996317
>No concession was made
the intro still exists.
the concept of a preface still exists no matter how much you insist on pretending one doesnt exist.

>All the more reason for it to be truthful, so they don't get an inaccurate picture and start making assumptions that they shouldn't.
if people made videos like your autistic ass wanted they would be boring and nobody would watch them.

>Learn to love the cringe, its what makes you human.
no, its what keeps YOU stuck being a retard who cannot fathom generalizing without autistically and REPEATEDLY listing any and all minute exceptions.
I would rather blow my brains out than be like that.

To live is to change, in big ways or small ones.
Anything else is stubbornness and stagnation.

If I followed your retarded advice I would be unable to drive, unable to talk to people, unable to hold a job, and unable to even look my family in the face.
Its the same sort of poison that crept into "positivity" movements everywhere.
Bad enough to see it start to spread in autistic communities I learned to avoid when I saw a 40-year-old man who had never had a job or gone to college being given that crap when his parents were maybe 5 years from kicking the bucket.

>>739996398
I played everquest before wow back in the day, and I asked my dad for everquest 2 for christmas when it came out.
so anyways he looked up the reviews and said fuck that and got me wow instead which I don't regret getting but it's funny to look back on.
Yeah we probably spent too much time on those mmos but the time was something else huh?

I played a jawless undead and tried to make a guild that was just jawless undead called "dude wheres my jaw" and I thought that was the funniest shit as a teen.
Anyways almost no one played jawless undead so it didn't go anywhere beyond people signing the guild charter cause they thought the name was funny.

>>739996420
Alright, I'll keep that in mind for when I play it soon, thanks.

>>739996408
Come on man! Its an arm, my arm. Who's gonna want someone else's arm? Can't you just do me a solid and give it back? I'll give you like *fishes around in pocket* uhh... twelve G... grocery store coupon... and half a pack a smokes. Oh, and this shoe buckle I found.

Honestly I am surprised by the sheer obliviousness of that guy

>>739996479
>no, its what keeps YOU stuck being a retard who cannot fathom generalizing without autistically and REPEATEDLY listing any and all minute exceptions.
it is amazing that you can not grasp what he said earlier and you fall back on this.

>>739996237
a good number probably wont notice to be fair because not everyone will clock the dates
however there will be some that will go down the rabbit hole and figure out the whole "where the fuck this all came from".

>>739996606
>Come on man! Its an arm, my arm.
Nuh uh, I found it, it's my arm now.
Finders keepers.
>Who's gonna want someone else's arm?
Well, you want it, and I have it, and that means it has market value, so even if I don't necessarily need it, it would be foolish to just give it up for so little, especially given how rare it is.
It's basic economics, you understand.
>I'll give you like *fishes around in pocket* uhh... twelve G... grocery store coupon... and half a pack a smokes. Oh, and this shoe buckle I found.
Think about the economy.

>>739996479
>the intro still exists.
Which doesn't matter if the rest of the video and the final thesis contradict it.

>the concept of a preface still exists no matter how much you insist on pretending one doesnt exist.
Its a false preface, her entire argument acts as though the preface doesn't exist and even directly contradicts it, as does her thesis.

> they would be boring and nobody would watch them.
Better to be boring and right then sensationally spread misinformation.

>To live is to change, in big ways or small ones.
>Anything else is stubbornness and stagnation.
Oh boy we could have a fight over that statement.

Anyways abandoning your fear of being cringe is a change, and one for the better at that.

You can be less autistic without hating yourself and everything weird about you or anything that reminds you of that. You don't have to beat yourself up to fix yourself, just skip the beating and go straight to the fixing. The beating is a waste of time and energy that could be better spent doing something productive.

>>739996772
Well there was quite a lot of low quality martlet pics before the release of UTY and nobody was surprised

>>739996772
I think more people will notice if a significant amount of it was made before the games actually came out.
Like, if the Oldentale or Naranja tags on esix get to triple digits before either game actually comes out, that might throw some people.
It'll be difficult, but I promise I'll give it my all.

>>739996621
He wasn't lying, he really is autistic.

>>739996775
Come on, man. I'll pay you back. I promise. I'm good for it! I just gotta go home and get my cash.

>>739996827
true, I'm just saying that since it wasn't public like uty was, a few people might hunt down our threads like a couple posters have before due to art, which is fine. Just interesting thinking of the internet sleuthing that goes into finding this place that way.
>>739996830
>triple digits
now we're fucking TALKING.

>>739996875
How much cash?
I wanna know what kind of value I'll be getting out of this one of a kind arm.
I know other people who would buyan arm just like this, so you've got competition here.