How can Diablo 4 even compete with such weighty and meaningful combat?
Looks about as meaningful as any other ARPG combat.
looks like Diablo 3?
>>739988765i actually like poe2 but within the first hour you know how it is the whole way through, everything runs 100miles an hour tracking perfectly on to you and does a big melee, spell and/or on death boom and if you haven't already mowed them down you better dodge duck dip dive and dodge
>>739988765By being fun
PoE is a game that's best when combat is a brief function of a greater mechanism. I don't even know why these games have campaigns. Hell, any ARPG with a focus on campaign is for the clinically retard, it's like something you'd see on Ross' Game Dungeon. People are so hell bent on arpgs being offline single player idle clickers its better to just let the whole genre die. And those very same people only play the games to get limited time seasonal cosmetic gear lolBasically, I feel arpgs have become gacha and were arguably always gacha
>>739988765>that horrid UIGGG has tried it's hardest to make something as dogshit as Diablo 3/4 while marketing themselves as being the true serious ARPG, it's fucking embarrassing
What is your opinion on Wolcen?
>>739993431I don't have opinion on rotten carcass
>>739988765the only thing that matters in an arpg is feeling like you are getting stronger/more powerful. they benefit from you starting out weak and becoming op. games like vampire survivor took that concept and simplified it
>>739988765Why do people make fun of that TFD webm when it's practically just the same incoherent mess as other ARPGs and looter shooters?Also to OP, I like the gameplay feel of PoE2 but it also demands a lot from your time and concentration. It feels more involved and sweaty compared to D4 where it plays nicer for when you just want to turn your brain off.
>>739993782Problem with rogueoids is the progression is ultimately unsatisfying since it's RNG reset slop. There's no real thought or balance behind different builds. You just get imba shit randomly. Making a game like D2 or PoE is infinitely more difficult, and those games are ultimately more interesting for trve autists.
>>739993171I completely agree but people aren't ready to admit the campaign is pointless dogshit.inb4>ummm akshually you won't enjoy le endgame unless you have to waste 5+ hours doing the exact same retarded campaign for every single character, the developers worked very hard on it OK?
>>739993171You strung a bunch of sentences together that have absolutely no meaning whatsoever. Like>were arguably always gachaWhat the fuck does this even mean?
Tencent shill thread
>>739995314I'm sorry but not. It is incredibly satisfying to get the gear you need and defeat something in one shot. What people forgot is that ARPG's are not dark souls and it doesn't need dodging as an active action. I hate that every thing but diablo seems to go in this direction. I don't care for 0.5 seconds to dodge in a 2 hour fight otherwise you lose everything while taking into consideration server latency. Fuck POE2 and fuck every other retarded "arpg" that follow this trend. Even fucking Titan Quest is doing it now. This is not an ARPG...just like how Silksong has become a chimera of what a metroidvania was. I don't need hard slop
>>739997404I'm not talking about le dodge whatsoever, you stupid retard. Can you please READ my POST before REPLYING?
>>739988765webm looks like diablo 4 combat thoughbeit
>>739988765Were PoE and Diablo always just Cookie Clicker with extra steps?I remember D1 and 2 having some nuance to them.
>>739997480You were just young and unfamiliar to the genre yet. They unironically just isometric musous and no similar to gacha/mmo skinnerbox based on upping numbers exponentially. People only look fondly on D1-D2 because of how great the atmosphere was.
>>739997442No, you are talking about how the core identity of ARPGs is the issue and the answer devs found to it is what i was replying to you with. Your issue is non existent when you realize that this is how it was meant to be.
>>739997480Depends on how you're playing the game. If you're playing to enjoy the campaign, roleplay, learn your stuff, read the story, crawl around dungeons, playing the game casually you'll have a different experience from the minmaxing, single button combat, fun optimized out of the game, item farming endgame faggots.
>>739988765is monk the meme class this season? i just made a druid without looking at anything
I tried Last Epoch a while ago. It didn't seem to really know where it was going longterm, but the combat felt refreshingly crunchy at least. Good sound design goes a long way.
>>739988765Every ARPG webm is the same webm
>>739996092>taking a tranime poster seriouslycome on now
>>739997480I honestly don't think D1: Potion Addict was really that nuanced. D2 opened things up a lot. I didn't play the subsequent ones.
>>739997404Can I interest you in cookie clicker with a shitty western fantasy aesthetic?
>>739993171The modern ones you might have an argument for, and even then only for some playstyles. D2 had a ton of requirements in terms of awareness, not fucking running through a giant dungeon haphazardly, and strategy. Boss fights weren't much better, but the focus has turned to buildcrafting instead of adventuring.
>>739988765What even is that absolute cluster fist-fuck of a game?... Austismo modded Diablows?
>>739988765Diablo 3 was 100% this though. Crusader was exactly like this.
>>739998617>D2 had a ton of requirements in terms of awareness, not fucking running through a giant dungeon haphazardlyMeph runs.
>>739998556this desutired of every arpg turning into exploding screen garbagewhy isn't there a single one that commits to something like the gameplay of early d2 or d1 where you pick off enemies and make choices like how far can your weapon reach?whatever, guess I'll stick with games like exanima
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>>739998709>running drop kick that exploded the enemy into a shower of bloodBased. When the fuck is it coming out of EA so that I can play it already
>>739998709too bad this game is designed to be a fucking mmo tier chorefest with tons of retarded fetch quests and survival elements that you just out-rpg
>>739998646Endgame Monk in PoE2
>>739988765That actually looks pretty sick. Wasn't going to play this patch, but now I think I will.
>>739995372The campaign is more fun than endgame, and that's true for every ARPG.
>>739998692
>>739998881Go play Assassin's Creed or something, retard.
>>739998881I would argue it's not true for diablo 3. the campaign in that is pretty mind numbingly boring and the combat tools you're given are not fun
>>739993431hot female character when you strip them
>>739998881Truth nuke
>>739998692try ni-oh or Victor Vran?
>>739998709i really want to play this but im holding off until its out of early access
>>739999039>nooooooooooo muh skinner box is actually le GOOD
>>739999172Akshually it's a lot more complicated than a Skinner box, and you're being reductive. Now go play your goyslop story games.
>>739998881This. Every effort should be put into making the campaign as fun and replayable as possible. It is degenerates that keep going on about muuhh endgame.
>>739999236Nah I'm going to play PoE2, finish the campaign, get bored once I reach endgame and quit. Same as every league.
>>739999289Maybe if they did make it fun or replayable. It doesn't need to be so sloggy and linear, does it?
>>739988765It's just a bunch of flashing lights. What is the appeal of games like this?
>>739999320It is fun an replayable. I enjoy it every time.The reason you think it's a slog is because you only see it as an obstacle in the way of getting to endgame.
>>739999314poe if shit. both 1 and 2 and you are a fucking retard who should kiss yourself
>>739999314the ironic thing is that the entire purpose of this league was the endgame overhaul and they still don't give you a campaign skip option.At the very least it seems they made sweeping changes to the campaign progression, especially Act 3. All the previous league mechanics also now tie in rather well with the campaign map i.e. abyss is in the bone yard in act 2, atziri vaults is in the matlan waterways, etc.
I played a bit of Diablo 2 back in the day with friends but no Diablo clones since then, really. Is shit like the OP webm just on maximum difficulty when you're grinding for gear?I wanna do a comfy playthrough of Grim Dawn's campaign, can I actually pick my favorite abilities and shit or will it also just be spamming screen clearing moves against 30000 mobs?
>frogtranny opinion
I always struggle to get a single character to the atlas because I'm always thinking up new builds.
>>739999332>>739988765and yet people made fun of this
>>739999402I enjoy anti-(you)s even more than (you)s
All ARPGs are the exact same game.
>>739999361>At the very least it seems they made sweeping changes to the campaign progressionno they didn't> All the previous league mechanics also now tie in rather well with the campaign mapno they don't
>>739999435infinitely more based and fun than poop of excrement
>Diabo>IVI stopped counting after II and have been happy ever since
>>739999395that's an end game build where you are barely thinking about your resource/mana economy and just exploding things every second. The early game still feels like diablo but depending on your meta knowledge and how knowledgeable you are in what build you are trying to make, you can reach this phase sooner or later. For sorcs and witches it becomes really easy due to how busted magic is but melee characters will take a while to get there.
>>739988765if you wanted deliberate well designed combat you would not play diablo and diablo likes you would play something like ff7 remake or the new ninja gaiden or kh3 dlc
>>739998709>not one-shotting everythingOh shit nigger, what are you doing?Should I unequip everything in PoE/Diablo to show how "deep and challenging" the combat is? Fucking retard.
>>739998709What game is this?
>>739999595No rest for the wicked.Good game ruined by retarded mobilesque timegate shit in a single player game fwicr.
>>739999595No Rest For The Wicked, in early access on Steam. It's German.
>>739999563>Should I unequip everything in PoE/Diablo to show how "deep and challenging" the combat is?Yes.
rpgs are an inherently shit genre and any attempt to give them interesting gameplay is directly at odds with every system simple being number goes up yet their devs insist otherwise
>>739999724ESL
>>739988765is this poe1 or 2?
>>739999563>Should I unequip everything in PoE/Diablo to show how "deep and challenging" the combat is?Knock yourself out anon, as we all know the depth and challenge of the combat and your ability as a player is directly represented by how large the numbers are on your stat screen
>>7399998162.If this was 1 you would only be able to see monsters flooding the screen and instantly dying.
>>739999724Based. RPG combat needs to be "good enough for an RPG" and that's it. The fun comes from making your build, not from acquiring physical skill
>>739999816Diablo 7
>>739995372the campaign is fine, it's just way too long and the maps are fucking huge i dont know why they are doubling down on keeping it like this. just shrink the fucking zones.
>>739999852>>739999879is it worth playing poe1 for the first time instead of poe2? i want a complete campaign
how much am i missing out on if i just play standard on poe2? i really hate how every modern arpg is live service/league shit.
>>739999914Not right now.Wait for the next patch and temporary league so you're playing in an active trade economy.
>>739988765Crazy how bad of a game POE became after act 3. If people can't warp around 1 shotting everything they sperg out so the entire game turned into it and now the 2nd one suffers the same fate.
>>739998932Bro I'm on my first playthrough and all I do is use the Boltgun's Salvo which is an AoE attack and a Melta Gun. All I do is fill the screen with enemy killing bullshit.
>>739999563If you're killing things in one shot in a game where you're not supposed to kill things in one shot then you're overgeared and ruining the gamethe only person you're cheating is yourself anon
Doing a keth rain priestess larp for this league. Using disciple of varashta for the water djinn summon mostly as a support buffer/dmg to combo with cold spells and the lightning storm+thrashing vines spell. It's pretty fun and cool so far. Freeze is such a busted debuff vs mobs. I sometimes forget I'm not wearing armor because I forgot it at a workbench because you virtually never get touched by enemies being perma frozen all the time.
>>739999919The main thing you'll be missing is the chance to earn a free cosmetic set through challenge completion.
>>740000394>earn a free cosmetic setthe free ones looked like shit in poe 1
>>739999919If you're just starting there is no reason not to go league
>>740000186Also I wish the cosmetic store sold outfits that actually looked in line with the base game armors and not WoW shit.
>>740000186I've been wondering which asendancy to pair with my keth spear chucker, and was leaning towards the genies.
I really don't like how it always turns into basically"blow up monsters in one hit or get onehit yourself"
>>740000479Melee sorc? Then in that case you what the fire and sand genie.
>>739988765Buy an ad you massive faggot
Is this faggot game ever going to release? I want to try it but I'm not paying for it. Also, is it going to have seasons like Diablo where you have to start over if you want to experience new shit?
>>740000506yeah, but I was thinking stormweaver could also be fine because I'm using the lightning throwing spears a lot.
>>740000525Target release is this december, supposedly>seasons like Diablo It's live service game so leagues are the main bread and butter of the game.
>>739988765is this a mobile game?
>>739999724>>739999872Dark Souls is proof that you are wrong.rpg stats, massive variety of weapons and spells, builds, distinct playstyles, simple but weighty combat, level design, exploration and some actual challenge all in one package.If the fun of your "game" does not come from the thing are going to do 95% of the time, the fucking gameplay, then your game is shit, simple as.
>>739998881basedfuck dem endgame niggasmost people quit these dogshit games after beating the campaign once
>>740000625>GTA San Andreas is an RPG because it has stats
>>740000661>quit these dogshit games after beating the campaign onceyeah that's what I didt. endgame niggeronce was enough
>>740000673terrible bait, apply yourself
>>740000574I guess it could work. But it depends on what buffs you're getting. If your main source of damage is lightni.g then disciple is probably not best for you since that ascendancy scales off elemental and minion damage and splitting your damage buffs will make your early-mid game progression harder.
>>740000756main reason to go disciple is for the energy shield nodes and the focus + staff node. the djinn are just extra utility or damage from triggering buffs with their command skills.
Diablo 4 wonBlizzard wonPoo2 is tranny jeetslop
>>740000960>energy shield nodesHighly relevant to my interests.>focus + staff nodeSounds awesome but I'm using spears. Something to bear in mind for ANOTHER build...
I'm so glad I escaped the arpg skinnerbox, I'm back to playing real games again.
>>739988765both games get mogged by Nioh.
does this game get any better after killing the boss that turns into a werewolf??? does it get any harder?? its like the video, you just spam abilities and its pretty much impossible to die no real challenge
>>740002007No and NoThe game starts out OK and then gets progressively worse as your character gets stronger until it stops being enjoyable before the end of the campaignThe funniest shit is when ARPG "players" tell you they want to skip the campaign, when the start of the campaign is the only part of the game worth playing
>>739993431Intro was pretty cool, that's about it>move forward and fight as one!
>>740002303Because arpg players since d3 came out finds that webm extremely boring and just want to get to zooming around the map as fast as possible.
>>740002303ah man fucking hellwhat a waste of money. the game really tricks you, like you said, its really cool at the start and when you have played too long for a refund it starts becoming really boring
>>740002490It depends a lot on what kind of build you're playing, PoE1 had enemy health scale much more than their damage, PoE2 has damage and speed scale more than health. If you're doing one of the meta builds like Monk or Deadeye then the game becomes increasingly brain off as you speed through hordes of enemies that aren't a threat or an obstacle. If you're playing a slower class like Warrior or Grenadier the game becomes increasingly frustrating as you go up against bigger and faster hordes that one shot you and you pray to god they stand still for one second to let your delayed attacks actually hit them.
when the fuck are they adding duelist
>>740003117Alongside swords. Possibly not even in 1.0 this December.
