Is Tekken's future in peril. Will there be a Tekken 9?
Nakatsu was the game director for Tekken 8 for people who didn't know
maybe if Murray leaves too Tekken can be saved
>>739991293>Tekken's futureTekken has been a disaster since 8 came out and even during late T7 it was already going downhill
>>739991293T9 will be an arena fighter
Yup this is going to be the last season of this game for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsS_VMzY10I
get fucked bitches
>get into tekken halfway through S1>S2 happens>Things seem to be looking up for S3>they are>Harada leaves>Nakatsu leaves>future of the game let alone series is completely unknownWhat the fuck man I put like 500 hours into this shit and it's just gonna go out like that?
>Funkos on a IKEA minimalist sawdust piece of shit>That soulless as fuck lightingGod I hate post modernity
Everything i love is dying man what the fuckTekken and pc gamingI'm getting old enough to see everything i love die
>>739991837PC gaming has died 20 times nowThis time for sure!
>>739991293Virtua Fighter's time is NOW
>>739991293Who?>Will there be a Tekken 9?No, since Don't Ask Me For Shit™-man "retired"/left and went to SNK.The Literal Who Manga-celeb being put in 8 should've told you as much.
>>739992452>Who?Your opinion and insight is not worth the time spent reading.
>>739991326>Look at the org chart, Murray
the future of tekken looks so bright
>>739992494Ok. <3I'll ask again:>Who?Harada was the face of the series. Who the fuck is this dude?
>>739992801If you have to ask <3You don't deserve to know <3 :)))
>>739991293Kekken failures will see nothing wrong with this
>>739992801Harada was producer, the dude the runs money and production management, plus getting his elbows dirty by working outside his station a bit with the folks on the ground level. Ikeda was the literal director of 7 and 8, the guy Harada has to work with that actually runs the development management directly.So basically the two big folks that kept Tekken afloat and pushed its development are gone.
Tekken is completely dead.
>>739991293>Harada leaves>they all begin leaving with himTo think that there were idiots here and in other places who said that Harada was a hack.
In japanese, people don't often leave a company to work for another like they do in the west,especially if they are old and in senior positions. For him and harada to leave prestigious positions at a Japanese company like that,the work conditions must have been apalling
>>739991540Good, the DLC has been complete dogshit and the updates are going nowhere
>>739991293It's over, Murray is backstabbing everyone and taking over. Look forward to even more westernized shit.
>head director leaves>add gay rapist>another head director leaves>refuse to elaborate
>>739993489Harada is a company man who probably tried to do his best to fight back under corporate mandate but always ended up playing defense for all of the bullshit in the game, from the scummy monetization model to the balance issues.All you gotta do is remember when he tried to bamboozle people about how it was impossible for rollback to work in a 3D fighter during Tekken 7. As the face of the dev team his job was explicitly to feed the players bullshit and treat us like a bunch of dummies.
>>739991293>Make characters that were in t7 dlcGod t8 is such cancer
>>739993489>If people leave with a hack, that mean he isn't a hack!kek
>>739991293namco's future is in peril
>>739993802Nakatsu was the combat direction for Tag 2, the question is?, Is nakatsu going to VS studio or gone to the shadowrealm?. his statement doesn't help a lot about the current balance, even it's better.
>>739991293Bet he'll join Harada's new SNK studio.
>>739994664The entire decade of the 10s was spent with Japanese devs telling us that good online was simply impossible for fighting games despite every other genre being nearly flawless at that point.
>>739996869*director
>>739991293This is it.Should have been more xenophobic to the whites
>>739996976>Japanese devs telling us that good online was simply impossible for fighting games despite every other genre being nearly flawless at that point.and then a jewish guy whose claim to fame was creating skullgirls and starting the FGC #metoo movement paved the way for fighting games to actually have good online
>>739994802It's all on Ace Combat now, no pressure
>>739997092>literal boring ass Japanese version of Microsoft flight simulator with no soulAnyway, fromsoft will carry bamco
>>739991293I hope not
>>739991293>Dude comes to direct a highly acclaimed game and it turns into absolute shit>Next game releases okay and progressively turns into absolute shit>He leaves and the very first patch largely improves the gameAm I supposed to believe this is a coincidence?
>Murray is left on the T8 shipFuckyourmom will receive tons of buffs
>>739991817BOXED funkos, even- as though the owner thinks they'll be worth something at the end of time.
>>739991293Time for the comeback.
>>739991293who?
>>739991293T8 isn't even doing that horrible for fighting game standards it's just in Japan SF6 is blowing the fuck out of them and Bandai must be pissed why they aren't anywhere near.
Post yfw Murray was the only reason why Nakatsu and Harada weren't kicked out earlier.
>>739999651How is life in bizzaro world?
>>739998941>peaks at 2k concurrent players on steam
>>739991837You should be happy. It's always better for a girlfriend to turn fat and ugly before a breakup.
Bandai Namco is shitHarada is shitEvery person who worked at tekke8(and 7) is shitThe entire FGC is shit for deepthroating sonys smegma dick.
>>739991293Tekken is shit, from it's inception it was a bad VF clone. The minute it was taken somewhat seriously they freaked the fuck out and quit because they weren't used to people actually having standards. The rise of tekken 7 was a complete aberration from capcom commiting fighting game suicide and it attracted alot of people who actually expected a well designed game. I dont think harada or any of the senior tekken staff knew how to design a fighting game, they wanted to maintain their mortal kombat esque hyper casual audience who eat shit and don't ask questions.Hopefully this shifts resources at bamco back to soul calibur, despite it being shit for so long I feel like the people designing it have more going on in their heads.
Kekken flopped and slopped so hard everyone is leaving.
>>740000000
censored pozzed trash
why is this bad? SF6 is the most successful SF game after Ono left.
>>739991293End of an era
I like how I can pick up an old character and the move list from 25 years ago is largely intact but I wish there was gravity and things to play towards beyond a launch then combo. I'm glad he's gone and hope for nothing but failure in his future endeavors.
>>739991293>Adds a rapist to the game>Leaves soon afterWhat did he mean by this?
Why do people always assume that Harada was a good guy?
>>740002183Millennial Japanese cultists
>>740002183FGCtards are the biggest corpo dicksuckers on the planet and it is not even close.
>>739991293Kek what a shitshow Tekken 8 has been
>>740002454The only glimmer of hope is if they're being pushed out and someone wants to get the series back on track.
>>739991293This Series is fucking dead
>>740002515This would be true but Harada's ugly lapdog Murray is still here.
>>740000747SFV sold well despite its rocky start, meaning the suits had a reason to greenlight a sequel. I've had my doubts whether Tekken 8 is doing well financially. It obviously was a big budget game, and Bamco in general isn't doing very well at the moment.
>>740002540fingers crossed the exodus isn't over.
>>740002595It might be like the latest Mortal Kombat where the actual base games sales are good but player retention is bad and the DLC isn't selling as a result. I doubt Tekken didn't have great launch sales
>>740002619InshallahI trust any gathering of newbies more than these old farts and hacks being hardstuck in 2 decades ago.
>>739992062if you're someone who plays a niche fighting game you should hope the big one that share the shame type with you doesn't turn to shit because everyone will just run over to your game and just turn everything to shit
GODcalibur sends its regards, Tekkucks.
>>740002908It has Bamco too. The only way to survive is to fuck off from Bamco.
>>739996976considering how many fgc people get to sit and talk with devs on a some what regular basis i feel like good online in fighting games is something that should've been solved late into the 360/ps3 era but the fgc didn't give a fuck about it til covid happened, and spent the entire time before that wondering why fighting games never got popular like league and call of duty etc
>>739997609Ace Combat is not a flight sim and Bamco doesn't own Fromsoft you retard
Is it fair to say at this point that T8 is a bigger shitshow than SFV? When Ono got the boot, they had the foresight to quickly replace him with two new dudes who quite literally saved the game.
>>740003121i mean tekken 8 didn't launch unfinished like sfv
>>740002943Yeah but then I don't have the characters
>>740003173Aye that's fair but it's been on a down slope after season 1 meanwhile they were at least trying to fix SFV by season 3 already.
>>740003228i will say i dont really know too much about the state of tekken mainly cause i checked a few weeks after launch mainly cause it felt like too much shit was going on for a tekken game
>>740003035Valle quite literally said "What, don't you guys have locals?" one time when the shit online was discussed.
>>740003121Tekken 8 didn't launch with a fucking rootkit installed into every users PC.
>>739997025Retard.
>>739998941Dead or Alive comeback is the most wide open layup of all time that KT will somehow still find a way to miss
>>739991326Damn what did Bill do
>>740003306yeah i remember some big name saying something along the line of "fuck playing online go to locals" or talking down to people who couldn't afford to drive out like 2+ hours to play fighting games,i love fighting games so much but fgc are fucking masters at shooting off their own feet this current shit with the saudi's might as well be their doing too because they wanted to make big esports money like league players and now they dont like the result
>>740003423Mark my words it will have at least three of these:>no crossplay>no rollback>classic koei tecmo (lack of) optimization>casualized to hell and back
>>740003528FGC managed to simultaneously sell out harder than any other competitive videogame community while also still being the poorest niggas in the hood. They gained nothing.
>>740003540>no crossplay>no rollback6LR is already a major red flag and it became a worst expectation for 7.>classic koei tecmo (lack of) optimizationWhat's wrong with the Katana Engine?
>>739998941>>740003423They will 100% waste it because TN can't do shit without Itagaki
>>740003423KT is definitely planning it but they face issues such as the FGC goons, the Itagaki loyalists, and the most recent, the Venus Vacation addicts, and by them I mean the Marie Rose weirdos.
>>740003423Nobody is waiting for DOA besides coomers, tekken has no effect on this.
>>740003720My niggy they literally will make Marie Rose and Honkers the f2p characters in doa6lr.
>>740003121Sfv was so shit it almost killed the genre, tekken is a side note and VF coming back will be an upgrade if they don't fuck it up
>>740003720Marie Rose was a character from the arcade version of DOA5 however.>Itagaki loyalistsAs opposed to what? New gen DOA shills?
>>740003720VV whales and Honoka/Marie fans can easily enjoy a new fighting game, it doesn't have to target them specifically, as long as it has Dead or Alive characters, visuals, costumes then that playerbase would be fine with it (but obviously not all of them yeah). All they really need to do is make a game that plays like pre-6 Dead or Alive, has no meters, no Tekken 8 style anime bullshit or particle effect vomit, and add crossplay (which I would say is more important than rollback for a 3D fighting game). From there they can build on it with bonus features like>playable lobby system (i.e. like DOA4 or maybe even add DOAX minigames)>add all the costume DLC they are known for (it's acceptable now and no fighting game goes without micro transactions)>story modeHowever it is absolutely critical that they DO NOT attempt to please or cater to the FGC goons. Stay out of tournaments, do not sponsor events, do not balance the game for "professional players", do not do anything they say. And that's where I worry they will definitely fail.
>>740003940>Sfv was so shit it almost killed the genreHow gullible and stupid does one have to be to believe this?
>>740004110BOO!
>>740003627>What's wrong with the Katana Engine?If they're not trying to have current gen graphics? None. But if they do they always end up running like shit
>>740004312It's not too late to ditch them. I mean the presentation at evo was literally nothing, they showed nothing, nobody watched it, and they didn't say they will be back. DOA6LR isn't scheduled to have any tournaments there either.
>>740004383DOA6 got featured as a sponsored community side tournament on EVO Japan and Combo Breaker weeks ago and will be in EVO Las Vegas too. Sure it's not too late but we'll see. Also I just realized 6LR released one day before EVO Las Vegas so take that as a hope that they don't care about the FGC.
>>739991293I guess Tekken 8 flopped so they fired both Harada and Nakatsu
This will lead to Tekken being sunset like SC6These 3D games are not profitable to make at the margin of Tekken's base fanbase size of old menThey needed new players which is why T8 is the way it is
>>740004753>These 3D games are not profitableLiterally reusing animations from the ps1.
>>740003401like it or not this man is partially responsible for japs finally getting their shit together when it came to netplay
>>740004790but not reusing the models or having PS3 tier backgrounds like SF6 and COTW
>>740004827Well Japs are hard headed dumbasses that refuse to change all because they think they are superior to everyone. The only reason why they improved netplay is because they were losing revenue when their playerbase started moving on to other genres. And now? They are playing catchup because China already surpassed them in tech.
>>740003589i honestly think a lot of competive players are just absolute retards who are incapable of looking at anything right>casual players are bad and you shouldn't pay any attention to what they want until some dev says that fighting games can no longer live off their main fanbase then 5 minutes later everyone suddenly wants to talk about single player contenti really think some of these people need to play more than just fighting games
>>740004945that's the best part. they NEVER would've done this otherwise, and the fact that they had to get help from westerners to save their dying genre should haunt them forever
There is the photo of the new Tekken director. Thoughts?
>>740004873>reusing the modelsHoly retard
>>740005059Why this nigga got a grill and an eye missing
>>740004992This. I watched some FGC pros try other games and they suck really bad. Seems like playing too much fighting games rewired their brains.
>>740004126if street fighter is not at the top then the genre is dead according to them despite the fact everything was doing pretty ok during that time
Time to uninstall
>>740005059>Kills all main characters>Shoves war is bad but simultaneously put awesome shit>SEX SEX SEX SEXBased Tomino
>>740004827No?He didn't do jackshit except allowing sony to not allow last gen controllers on their shitbox.Japanese devs finally adopting proper netcode was all on the worldwide lockdowns you retarded clown.
>>740005057I really can't forget how smug these dumb Japs were back in the early 2000s. People were begging for an international store so people can easily buy merch. They said no. Playasia and Ebay started to sell a lot of Jap merch now Japs play catch up. People started asking for easier and legal way to consume Jap media in the mid 2000s. They smugly said buy untranslated blu rays. Now? Netflix and other streaming service buy their anime license for pennies and they try to keep up with the demand by overworking their animators. Jesus... If they actually pressed their tech advantage in the late 90s when their entire nation already had broadband and actually cater to international markets then maybe we won't have this stupid Google / Meta / Amazon monopoly. Like look at Nicovideo. Literally as old as Youtube but didn't bother to create an English version for at least a decade and now they are forgotten...even by their own people.
>>740005189i honestly want to say sf5 fucking up roll back so bad is what caused japanese devs to delay giving a shit about rollback until covid
>>740005351That was one sad factor probably.
>>740004827No he isn't. Skullgirls uses GGPO, which was invented by the Canon brothers. SF2 Turbo HD Remix had GGPO in 2008, you are simply, 100% incorrect.
>>739992062VF6 simply looks like the same old VF5 modded with some shitty 3d scans of random strangers.Besides, it's not even made by the AM dev2 team so who cares.
>>739991793>>Things seem to be looking up for S3Barely. The game is still dogshit.
>>740005386im honestly upset nobody was trying to push killer instinct at the time because that was probably one of the first big name fighting games to have good roll back but it wasn't street fighter so nobody gave a shit
Is it safe to assume Bandai execs fear VF6 taking over T8 fanbase over their shitshow and are already cut losses by pulling the plug? Keep in mind japs probably have no idea how irrelevant it is in the west, plus it might gain a new audience anyway.
>>740005497>cuttingFix'd.
>>740005497does the average vf player even want to deal with the average tekken player?
>>740000356No, if anything Akuma helped them with 7 since people wanted Harada's half of the cross-over, and that was the only part we got in a way.> hyper casual audience who eat shit and don't ask questions.This is funny since people backlashed against the battle pass in 8 (but keep playing anyway).>Soul CaliburIs dead. Let it go anon. Juggle is going to be going into the graveyard with it real soon.
>>740005602Absolutely not, but that doesn't even matter. GG fans definitely didn't want Strive audience at all, yet look who Arc is cathering to. Money speaks, anon.
>>740005482MKX was the big one. People already shat on NRS for MK9s terrible online but went even harder on it for MKX. And then NRS actually did the work. They sat down, reverse engineered their own game to retrofit rollback and gave it away as free patch for everyone.That was when we still had a decade of glorious japanese netcode folded over 9001 times ahead of us.
>>740005329You'd have Netflix, streaming, tech monopoly and other miserable things regardless of what the Japanese did. The environment that Japan of the past created was what allowed it to have the culture and works it had, so you should at least cherish that instead of yelling at them for inane reasons.
>>740005482People were pushing KI and people did give a shit. An entire tourney scene got rebranded to the name of a KI mechanic and went on to become one of the biggest tourneys of the year. The problem with KI is that it was an xbox console exclusive and the steam version was inferior to the windows store version for years
>>740003335Just a little fact check: Street Jive didn't launch with the rootkit, actually. It was PATCHED IN later because PC players were cheat engine-ing their shitty Survival mode (their main form of getting "fight money"/F2P micro-transaction currency) since there wasn't other ways to get those to unlock characters (and this is before Capcom course corrected after the rootkit fiasco and went back to "pay for these characters.")
>>740003720>and by them I mean the Marie Rose weirdos.Don't you put that evil on the gacha, Ricky Anony! That was DoA*5*'s crime.
>>740005621how bad are battle passes to complete in fighting games i hear people say it's much easier to do than in something like fortnite or cod>>740005674i feel kind of bad for them then
>>740005771Japanese company so incompetent they couldn't launch their (paid) live service slop with server side currency drops.
>>740005771didn't it take way too much effort to get a character for free in sf5 anyway?
>>740005102Being fair to the FGNaggamunity: Other pro-players suck outside their wheelhouse as well. They put in 80+ hours a week into one genre and then suck at others.>>740005329Nips are still using Fax machines for anything important. They're still behind on times, Grandpa.
>>740005870It wasn't server-side issues. It was that the survival difficulty (even on "easy") was ridiculous because Capcom wanted people to grind these for hours in the HOPES of getting fight-money/funny money when they had no intention of GIVING fight money/funny money that they panicked PC players found a way of gaining it.>>740005950It took like 1.25 of two characters complete survival mode (easy to hardest, forgetting the difficulty names but there was like 5) with 10 rounds-50 rounds to complete in each difficulty mode (+10 as you went up in difficulty) to gain the FM.Which is why people cheat engined: If Capcom just gave fight money for like the first three, people would've been less likely to go "fuck this shit, I'll just cheat it out.">>740005847It's "easier to do" if you play fighting games religiously. Otherwise it's around the same in that you grind the live-service title and ONLY the live-service title if you want it completely done.
>>740006185i dont even know why capcom even bothered with fight money it was bad enough that old characters never even went down in price despite league being the inspiration for it
>>740003589>>740004992The thing is, fighting game devs shot themselves in the foot for so long that they ended up curating a playerbase comprised mostly of shills with a culture that defends everything the devs do. Anybody who advocated for better and who has standards like wanting the games to have basic functionality you'd expect from a full priced competitive game got repeatedly burned and told to fuck off. Even now, you'll get insulted for bringing up that fighting games have far more greedy monetization than literal F2P games. Fighting games would probably have a much different and more populous community if like SF4 launched with rollback instead of it only becoming a reasonable expectation for a game to have a few years ago.
>>739996976tekken is 3
>>740006314It was Capcom trying to pivot after the "you have to pay for characters and rebuy the fucking game anyway which gives you the characters later on so pay up, pay piggies" backlash that the genre had in that era.(The only good one from that era was Blazblue: Continuum Shift 1-2, BTW. It at least let you roll back patches to a version you wanted to play if you didn't like the changes and/or didn't want the DLC characters in the roster. More fighting games should've done THAT, IMO)
>>739996976It's been longer than that.DOA2U is the ONLY fighting game that had good online play even during the "golden age" (more like silver age for that era). BECAUSE it slowed the game down if a player was lagging to give both sides an even chance of reacting.I think it was proto-rollback while GGPO/rollback was being perfected.I have yet to see a fighting game attempt to copy it's "if one side is lagging, slow the game down in reactions" system.
>>740006647>fighting game dev does something nice and not scummy for a change>people find a way to shit on them for iti would have honestly never bothered with snk games if it wasn't for snk giving the first season pass of samurai shodown for free and the same with city of the wolves
>>740006647SF4 launching with japanese delay netcode and zero content really catapulted the genre 10-20 years back in progress.I hated fgc niggas trying to gaslight me that one if the best eras for fighting games with wide variety and jampacked full of content was dead actually because all the capcom niggas kept playing turd strike, sf alpha and mvc2.
>>740003121>saved the game.Capcvcks were never leaving SF no matter how awful it got. Oh and the game wasn't "saved" SF players true nature of being cultist just shined a lot harder.
>>740006961Alpha 2 was kino
>>740007027nothing made me hate james chen more then seeing him say some shit like "we shouldn't talk bad about sf5 because the fgc doesn't exist with out street fighter"
who cares, it's not like tekken players play anything else. they are just gonna keep playing tekken
>>740007114I do like the alphas more than other sf games but there were so many games releasing that I would not stay on that for 10 years during the so called ark ages.
>>740007117The japanese pros gave it the nickname duty 5 because they had to keep playing it to pay the bills.
Street Fighters and Smash run the fighting community now. Cope.
>>740007438only thing smash players run are the underground child fucking ring at the near by day care
tekken is like smash bros, a mashing game for kids. it's a joke of a game
>>739991293Safe to say the games dead after Yujiro huh?
>>740007438>smash>fighting gamelmao
>>740007637One can only hope.
>>739997092>>739994802There still have Dark Souls and Elden Ring and Armored Core being made for them by Fromsoft. They still have Dragonball Z and Gundam games.
>>740006040>muh fax machinesyou've never dealt with the government or healthcare
>>740000747Ono was actively holding the game back and refusing to take shit (like the input lag and netcode) seriously. It stung like fuck to see him go. Although maybe it was a coincidence but Melty Blood got absolutely raped under his watch. Type Lumina was a disaster.
>>740007637*franchise
>>739991293
>>740008381>Ono kept working on fighting games after he left CapcomThis is why when people say "you're no Harada, just quit." sometimes it's best to take the fucking hint.
>>740008381>Type Lumina was a disaster.? isn't type lumina's director kamone, and TL was raped because nasu refuses to continue the VN remake
>>740005497If anything the tekken devs were begging VF to come back so they had someone to copy. After VF died they had to resort to copying streetfighter and then tekken 8 had a full blown identity crisis. If VF succeeds there will be interest in making a new 3d fighter at bamco, let's just hope it doesn't go to the absolute dogshit tekken team. Seriously, everything about tekken is shit, the character design, the mechanics, the OST, let that team die.
>>740008719Ono slid directly into the roll of producer but personally took credit for a lot of shit people ended up growing to hate.Also was flat out the president of DelightworksIt's like the Baba Sakura Wars situation. We'll never know the extent. Only the result.
>>740008908Twi Lumina status?
>>739992062I can't fucking wait /v/ros
>>740002874Tekken has the absolute dumbest monkey gorilla fanbase in the FGC, if they flood into VF it's going to kill it.
>>740008908>baba sakura warsa perfect comparison. at least ono knows he's a clown on some level
>>740009582That game attracts third world monkeys like shit attracts flies for some reason.
>>740004110It is crazy how DOA4 online was ahead of its time and they let it rot. They only really had to fix the netcode and expand on it.I never understood why did they try to copy other games with meters and comeback mechanics when DOA was already accessible due to the lenient combo system - where something will always come out. Other fighters had to add more and more one button combos and revenge mechanics to enable casuals because their combo system literally stops characters if they miss inputs.
Segacels actually believe anyone outside Asia cares about VF
>>739991837that's life bro ever wonder why everyone old is nostalgic
>>739992062Time to be a discord fighter NOW you mean.If your game isn't called Street Fighter no one will care about it and it will not have a cult of fanboys running to defend it for fucking over players as fighting games always do.Only Crapcom and its paid shills that dictate what the greater FGC and online discourse hivemind believes in can get away with a modern fighting game.Sega could release the perfect VF game (lol). It'll still be dead when the paid shills go back to Capcom.
>>739997025That was Killer Instinct that did that thoughbeit
>>740003423I hate to say it, but the gooner spinoff probably made more money than a new DOA game ever will.
Rest in PISS Kekken
>>740007027>Capcvcks were never leaving SF no matter how awful it gotOk but the same could be said about Tekken players. Also SFV was beat in participants numbers at EVO 2018 by DBFZ.
>>739992062VF7 could be an actual perfect game and Tekkentards will still not touch it. Tekken just has too strong an ingrained playerbase no matter how bad it keeps shitting the bed.
>>740005467and that's a good thing, because VF5 is a tremendously strong base. they could it make more like VF4 and speed it up too
>>740007027>Capcvcks were never leaving SF no matter how awfultekken players LITERALLY only play tekken, they are a slave to that franchise more than sf players will ever be
>>739992452>literally who manga celebare you retarded? Baki has been referenced by fighting games for over 3 decades now.
Why are fighting game players always so shocked and angry that people who like a particular style of game don't necessarily want to play another game that's hardly anything like it? It'd be like CS having a bad patch and Hunt Showdown players start complaining that they keep playing it instead of picking up their game. Like no shit, they're very different.
Tekken dies in part 8
>>740003335I was just thinking about this the other day, how this was a bit controversy in 2015 but now every fighting game comes with an anti-cheat rootkit. The fucking league fighter has the most notorious of them all and everyone who called out capcom for that shit a decade ago hasn't even once mentioned vanguard.
>>740015291tekken players usually make up weird excuses about VF. VF's "problem" is that it is more about defensive option selects at a basic level, tekken players just want to KBD all pressureon the 2D side, you have a legion of diseased schizophrenic and aging capcom fans defending anything capcom does
>>740013705It also probably made more money than Tekken 8 considering how efficient it must be to run that, ccompared to the money T8 seemed to have burned for namco. Motherfuckers were putting movie poster JPGs on t-shirts to try to make money post launch because they had no budget for real content.
>>740015420>VF's "problem" is that it is more about defensive option selects at a basic level, tekken players just want to KBD all pressureThat sounds like Tekken players' 'weird excuse' is that they want stronger and less committal defense/movement and, if anything, their problem with T8 is that it plays more like VF.
>>740015420If VF had Tekken's throw system it would be better
>>740016021tekken 8 is nothing but 50/50's and everything is plus on block, which is actually nothing like VF, no matter how much retard schizos like main man swe try to gas light I like both but the tekken playerbase really deserves to see harada and nakatsu fuck off
>>739991293Tekken already died with the Heat faggotry
>>740016303The similarity between T8 and VF is that it's constant "in your face" fighting with fast rounds and no backward movement. The difference is pretty much everything else. T8 is just an endless flowchart of>"is it going to be a plus on block mid or a low?">if mid, block it and take another mixup>if low, hope you block it and you get your turnapart from that guessing game endlessly playing out, the only way to get your turn in the entire game is to use heat burst or mash a heat move, in other words the best defense is reckless offense. But that's only about 30% of what you see during your playtime. The other 70% is rehearsed combo juggles that take control away from one player, and then cinematic scenes that move the camera around and take control away from BOTH players.
>>740016725>and no backward movementwhich is untrue. it's not as powerful as KBD, but backward movement exists and it's part of the game. go play El Blaze and tell me "range doesn't matter"
>>740008271Actually, I have, and they use this thing called "E-MAIL" now! *gasp* Technology, I know!
>>740015291thats cool and all but having knowledge or experience with things outside of your circle jerk is good for the overall discussion and health of a genre, no one is saying you have to like something, but when people say>tekken players only play tekkenit usually means that tekken players quite literally only know tekken and nothing else, 2D fighters even capcom gaymers have experience in a lot of other games so talking about design in said genre doesn't feel like your are talking to a wall sometimes
>>740010064>at least ono knows he's a clown on some levelI don't think he does, unfortunately, or Type Lumina wouldn't have happened.He struck "gold"/got lucky with Street 4, but that's only because fighting games were dead as a doornail before interest was rejuvenated with 4.Everything he made past that point was utter trash.
>>740015291But they aren't that different, Its much closer to DOTA players whining and then LOL players telling them to switch or CS vs Valorant or COD vs battlefield. These kinds of discussions were all incredibly common.Tekken started life as a VF clone and most 2d fighters were Capcom clones so there's always going to be confusion why people who hate their own game don't try the others.
>>740002183Tekken would have died decades ago without him.
