Are you planning to play it?
Yeah I believe in troontle
>Another Ashes of Creation scam
>>740002952They were only successful because they stole an already successful IP. no way they can make it using their own IP.
>>740002952>people whose experience with software is copy pasting azerothcore scripts will make an entire mmo from scratchlol, lmao even
>>740002952>the team that had to use an already existing game as a base will make their own from the ground upI'm sure it will be great, if it ever exists
>>740002952Unfortunately for them, I want the familiar zones and night elf females that are in wow classic. Not something new.
>>740002952Their additional content wasn't even fucking good holy shit
open the patreon for the dents to send their money
Can they even shit out all the assets needed to launch a standalone MMO? I don't think so.
Nah. The quest writing in TransWoW was bad and they couldn't even get basic stuff down like creating good looking OC areas.
>>740002952>We had a private server of a dogshit game, so clearly we can make an entire dogshit copy of said dogshit gamewhew
>>740002952So uh... why didn't they make their own game instead cloning a trash game in the first place? Thots?Surely it wouldn't be because this is getting cancelled by next year, right?
>>740003052>>740003067You guys don't have an original thought, even down to the sarcasm
>>740002952Good luck on them, it's rare for MMOs to be made and even more for them to do well these daysBut with the team behind, I'm not sure about that, there's a big difference between making modifications and a complete new game.
>>740003521You don't have an original pussy, it's hand made
>>740003521>bot reply>ignores all the other replies doing the exact sameNeither do you, it seems.
>every game from a new studio of ex-blizzard devs is complete shit>hellgate london, torchlight, stormgate, darkhavenAnd now a game from the ex-devs of a game they didn't even create, and I'm meant to be excited?Has any mmo from a new IP done well in the modern era? I can't think of any
>>740002952Imagine if this was actually the true wow killer everyone been waiting on for 22 years. This shit would be so funny
>>740004013no because mmotroons have already sunk decades of their life into one and they sure as fuck aren't letting all those collected FOMO pixels go to wasteanyone still playing wow today will be found as a corpse in front a computer still running wow. pserver or otherwise
>>740004481Nostalgia and sunk cost fallacy doesn’t explain why wow is the most popular mmo even among zoomers who were 3 years old during wow’s peak years
>>740004749source: it came to me in a dream
>>740004013>darkhavenis it out?
>>740004749Gee, I wonder why newer generations would be interested in playing one of the few surviving games of a niche genre, and the one that is by far the most popular of all of themIt's a real mystery
>>740002952See you in 5 years lol
>>740002952This is incredibly meta that a lot of projects do.>piggyback of existing media with questionable legality>back down at the first legal challenge>rebrand and produce equivalent media in the same genre but differentIt's a way to make a name for yourself. Now their MMO isn't just another MMO, it's an MMO from the developers of a popular private server. This farms them media coverage in the future.
>>740004834No, but the test weekend felt rough as guts and needs years more of cooking.I can't see it finding an audience, between the current arpgs on the market it just won't survive. The fact Last Epoch found an audience was amazing but even it seriously struggles with retention between major version releases.
>>740002952it reeks of AI slop
>>740004749because wow gets shilled to hell by paid blizzard jeets, even in this website. literally nothing about it is genuine and threads are always full of people lambasting every aspect of the game.
with modern tech, game like wow can be made in less than 1 year
>>740002952Will there be sexy anime babes?
>>740002952
>>740002952When are people going to learn that one of the big selling points of an MMORPG is that you get to explore the world of an existing IP that you already love.
>>740002952I can already SMELL the kickstarter scam these fucks are about to pull
>>740002952See you in 15 years when they get their first alpha closed release available after having collected $1 billion dollar bucks for access.
>>740003052Making an MMO isn't that difficult. It's just a regular multiplayer game with lots of players on one server. Maybe the problem is you're expecting it to be AAA slop?
>>740002952>add like 2 zones of shitty new content to vanilla wow>thinks this is qualification to make an entire fucking mmo on their own
>>740003404it worked for ultima online outlands
>>740005525>Making an MMO isn't that difficultIt's probably the single most difficult genre to make a successful game in. Only a small few have managed to cling to life in the 20+ years that WoW has been around.
>>740005525>lots of players on one serveranon, that's the difficult part. The software networking you need to send an exponentially increasing amount of data from players to the server back out to those players, as your player count increases within interaction distance.
btw whatever happened to that chink knockoff wow that popped up right when wow lost their license to operate in china (I think they got it back but it was closed for like a year)
>>740005391I can't think of a single one besides wow and if you extend world to multi world franchise the FF and Dragon Quest onesGranted I did just list the 2 most popular MMOs
>>740002952Cool. I'll see you lot again in 2 years when it's found out these hacks copied code from wow for their MMO and gets their asses sued.
>>740002952lmao another totally not a scam by known scam artists shenna and krogger
>Pantheon 2: Electric Boogaloo
You can't beat wow by copying wow.People have tried doing this for 20 years.Make a real fucking mmo.
>>740005337>immersion breaking shitpost animu GM model based spirit of the 2000s
>>740007182>People have tried doing this for 20 years.lol>"this is a wow clone">look inside>not a wow clonean honest to god classic wow clone would sell not just "a game that has tab targeting"but a clone of wow
>>740003042Even ignoring the IP: They'd have to redo EVERYTHING (and I mean EVERYTHING) to launch whatever "new thing from us!" they're trying to do.This means:-Models-Textures-World/level design-RPG stat system-Gameplay systems...They can't just use Blizzard's code (that they ripped off and rejigged for a private server) and think people won't notice.
yeah this shit is going to flop hard
>>740007376no it wouldn'tvanilla is a dogshit game that only survived because it united a bunch of nerds in the golden era of the internet, before normals, thirdies and advertisers invaded, and lived off the success of the RTS genreclassic is a dogshit game that only survives because of faggot soillenials who stagnated, and plays nothing like the original vanilla, including cancer like world buff collection and parsetrannying
>>740002952>pivoting from fraud to gamblingbrave move, let's see if it works out for known scammer shenna
>>740005964all they need to do is copy wow's networking code they already have. who's gonna call them out? nobody will have access to their code base to confirm they just stole it.
>>740005964That's solved entirely by a single (1) algorithm, to pick who to send what data to. Games and servers are capable of way way more than people think, modern games are insanely badly optimized so they give the wrong impression of what's possible.
>>740002952Turtle wow was fun and well-run, so I'll check it out desu. See you in 10 years kek
>>740002952>year 2005 + 21>we're getting yet another wow clone>it's gonna bomb because it's not wow enough
Need to get in the discord immediately and somehow convince them to make a kyojiri loli race.
>>740008020>you only like it because its good
>>740008624No, illiterate dumbfuck. You only liked it because it's a product of an environment that does not exist anymore.
>>740008489They are making tranny races and are going to use body type 1 and 2 for the gender
>>740008690famously mmos they are a stagnant product that are immutable and cannot be changed and developers cannot react to emergent social systems formed from trying to optimize the game
Fast forward to after release when they're battling a lawsuit for stealing blizzards code or some shit, I've seen this show before
>>740008810You're right, adapting media for modern audiences hasn't been tried.
>>740008810>emergent social system>look inside>the only people talking is shilling their zillion groomerscord servers
>>740006026Tarisland?
>>740008865>mmos cant work because discord times change excuse you are on an imageboard in anno domini 2026 btw
>>740008943>you are on an imageboard in anno domini 2026 btwwhat is this supposed to imply?
They will kill themselves if they try to make a real MMO. Their best course of action would be to make a Xenoblade style game, where you can host lobbies that people can join. Atlyss does something like that.
I wish them all the luck. It would be awesome to actually get a good MMO but It's hard to be excited for new ones when they keep fucking up.
>Everyone's first instinct is to immediately jump to the term "WOW KILLER" over and over again>Multiple people in thread acting like this is fully intended to overtake World of Warcraft and run them out of business, or directly compete>All these people acting like they're going to try and make a direct clone of World of Warcraft, down to the races, world, etcWhat makes you retards act like this? If you want to be skeptical at an indie MMORPG's development sure, but why the fuck would you immediately assume that a small indie team's immediate first plan is to create a game that directly competes with a multibillion dollar company?For all we know it's going to be some goofy small scale anime MMO more along the lines of old Korean MMORPGs or some shit. I mean the devs are clearly weebs after all >>740005337
how can anything be the wow killer when wow already killed itself with shitolands and trannyflight?
>>740009885/v/ is full of paid indian shills paid by blizzard
GW3
>>740002952Releasing in: 2035 (no delivery)
>>740002952A new scam for the same retards that fell for Ashes of Creation.There's no way a new MMO will get anywhere in Anno Domini 2026 and beyond.This genre is for a dying generation, younger people don't care about it.
>>740009934wow 41%'d itself by hiring all of those troons and indians?
>>740006026Tarisland died when they got it back. It was okay on release but i heard they added p2w (I'm not surprised, their cosmetic gacha on release was so ugly who the fuck would buy that). Main problem was also being on mobile so the pub experience was more painful than usual.
>>740003042What did they steal that was of value, besides name recognition?The lore feels like it was written by a 10 year old (even in its prime pre-WOTLK days, it's only somehow gotten dumber since then), the models and textures looked ancient on release day and are only more and more dated as the decades go by. Gameplay is autoattack + button rotation.They have name recognition now and I hope they do to Blizzard what DOTA team did and just cuck them utterly.
>>740009885A dev team whose sole success is leaching off WoW with a p2w shop announce they're gonna make their own MMO after getting taken down by Blizzard, and you're wondering why people assume it's gonna be a WoW clone?
Everyone is expecting a WoW clone. They could make a much cheaper PvP sandbox MMO with barebones PvE (like Albion or Eve) but their audience is WoW players and those are allergic to PvP.
>>740014029why do trannys love boring mmo pvp so much?
>>740016178because they can't cope with actual skillchecks in actual pvp games, so they play this garbage where you are allowed to win by simply outinvest your foes. time, consumables, gear, etc.it's not the most skilled who wins in mmo pvp, it's the fag with the most free time
>>740016178They still want to be men but are so weak irl they need to overcompensate for it in games with PvP as a side mode nobody really cares about
>>740012290Yes? It doesn't matter how much of a rhetorical question you try to frame it as. It's a dumb assumption.>This multi billion dollar company threatened to sue us into the ground, let's immediately try to copy their work>We have a budget of some pocket lint and chewing bubble gum, let's try to replicate one of the most expensive games on the market that's been in development for multiple decadesThe assumption that they'd immediately try to make a WoW clone is entirely based around the idea that they only know how to make one kind of game and that people wouldn't possibly ever want to make any other type of game ever except what they're familiar with. Except even that thinking is flawed because they never developed a game, they just hosted a private server.
>>740016439I remember back in 2010 I had a warrior with maxxed out lvl 70 arena gear with lvl 80 enchants/gems/leg stitches/etc. Something like 16.5k HP, 30% crit, attack power I don't remember but I went into Alterac Valley which was lvl 61 to 70 and there were a bunch of newbie death knights who used to destroy every other classes but I would demolish them. I would do the lesser known tricks of poping off sweeping strikes + cleave and attack 5 times instantly right in their face. Charge right into a massive melee of 20 hordes, pop off bladestorm, kill 10 of them then die 6 seconds later because they had learned to watch out for me.I was relatively the most overpowered being in any MMO and there was nothing the rich kids could do, I was more powerful than any of them that spent 10k on their pay2win and there was a battleground that was enough for me because I only queued for Alterac Valley since the others were immensely unfair even if it was 5 alliance vs 10 hordes.
>>740016439>>740016493>>740016178PvP MMOs usually have very little vertical progression. They're more like Rust where a new player with a bow can still kill a geared endgame player.You're describing PvP in a PvE MMO like WoW where gear and progression is everything.
>>740017584>maxxed out lvl 70 arena gear with lvl 80 enchants/gems/leg stitches/etcso a twink. which means you are the p2w'er hereschizophrenia?
>>740017662But the vast majority of players do not care about PvP so it's a waste of time and money for the dev and a disappointment for people wanting a new MMO
>>740002952I tried playing a goblin in twow and the starting zone they created was absolute dogshit
>>740012071all the visual and audio assetsnot saying they can't do it, but back in the HL1/HL2/Q1/2/3 modding days, there were plenty of pretty cool mods that used the base game wellvery few total conversions ever released however
I miss the Turtle community. I can never go back to stock vanilla ever again. Too fucking boring.I'm disappointed over the 'reveal' that they rebranded into a new company. I can't say I am very surprised but an MMO takes so fucking goddammed long to create that there is no reason for me to get excited. This world of announcements for announcements.
>>740017918what were your expectations? some post-cata nonsense? the elf starting zone was fantastic by vanilla wow standards, same with all the other stuff they added.
>>740002952It will be shit because they can no longer use wow framework to do the heavy lifting.
ascension won
>>740002952It's only the announcement, way too early to have any expectations at all. Best they can do is somehow make something small (and affordable) and expand from that if there's interest.
>>740007182Nobody has copied vanilla wow which is what made wow popular. Every clone has had at least some level of post-TBC streamlining sucking the soul out of the experience. Most of them are just post-Wrath queue simulators with some kind of gimmicky solo grind content tacked on for when you're waiting in the queue.
>>740018092Meeting people from all over the world on a singular server was the best part of twow
>>740018119My expectation was something good. Put me off playing anymore if that was the quality of new content
>>740017918Did you play the original goblin starting area in Stonetalon or the newer actual Blackstone Island?
>>740018289you can't get away with a game as unbalanced as vanilla wow was during actual vanilla anymoredataminers and math faggots will make sure you won't be playing the game unless you're also a metatroon
>>740018289Monsters and Memories is basically vanilla wow mixed with EQ systems, it will be the wow killer for sure this time!
>>740018385you're telling me depression island was their SECOND attempt? jesus christ i dread to think what their newer higher level zones even looked like
>>740018463>more vaguepostingHope you have a better rest of your day, anon-kun.
>>740018326Again, what do you mean by 'something good'? A bunch of scripted cutscene content with phased boss fights and NPC companions, with green rewards every time you talk to an NPC that levels you up once a minute? Something that would in no way fit with the rest of vanilla?
>>740018518i'm not the same anon and i'm pretty sure my post makes it clear the answer to that question for me is blackstone islandliving with autism must be rough
>>740018386>b-but muh dataminingalso existed in vanilladatabases existedpeople were tracking every timer and cataloguing every loot table from day 1 and doing the math on boss health and kill timesstreamlining the game out of the game was what killed the feel of wow, which is why servers that just do vanilla are always the most popular even now 20 years after every single byte of data has been extracted and analyzed and catalogued in an easily searchable database and added to in game addons
Nobody has the time to play multiple MMOs. Hundreds of WoW killers later and you still think the "vast majority of MMO players" aka WoW players will abandon WoW for another game.Devs should make MMOs that filter WoW players.
>>740018620>ntaOkay. Take care, same anon.
>>740018805being autistic and paranoid sounds like a very rough time indeed
>>740018805nta but thanks you tooget well soon
>>740018306>AB on my 39 twink lock one day>two (2!) very polite foreigners (one was a BR) asked me questions about twinkingI was shocked. All the pleasant interactions were lovely.
the "you think you do but you don't" was always in the rightyou want to play vanilla WoW but deep down you now you can't because the circumstances can't be replicated
This time... for sure
the devs of wow played ultima online for 4 years and created historypeople have been playing wow for decades and the needle has not moved an inch
>>740019130wow was mostly inspired by everquest. read literally any documentation on wow development.
>>740019130wow is absolutely nothing like ultima online in any way
>>740002952well that's vapor ware.
>>740019045But I played on Turtle for 4 and a half years which was longer than my first go at WoW from June 2006 to May 2009. It transcended my original experience and Turtle cannot be replicated.
>>740002952Good luck for them I guess
>>740002952Nowhere there it says they are aiming to be the WoW killer. How about less announcements and more showing what they have, so people can take this seriously.
>>740019045>"you think you do"we did indeed; we asked for this>"but you don't"but then when we got it, people just looked up guides and followed videos and did the meta. most people just got their lists and got their cheevos and raidlogged.remember worldbuffs? actually we didn't want it at all. i'm dead certain that if parsefagging was around back then it would've been decried as the gayest poopsocking to ever hit the game.
>>740019168Majority of original wow devs hated ultima and thought it’s just a griefing game and didn’t want to allow open world pvp because of that only for the few among them that insisted on it
>>740019392>wow I can't believe people at max level were just raidlogging nobody ever did that in vanilla wowt. 15 year old who was not even born during vanilla wow
>Third worlders lose again>Retail WoW wins againBLESSED
>>740019045>the "you think you do but you don't" was always in the rightit wasn't retard>do you want a normal pizza?>here's a pizza with shit on it>why DONT YOU WANT IT?kill yourself
>>740002952No. The turtle wow devs were trannies.
>>740019130Absolutely retarded, as people have mentioned it was EQ -- as if Jeff Kaplin wasn't evidence enough.>>740019224I miss it so much, bros. By the time WoW released I was already graduating high school, so despite playing through vanilla and TBC I have no real great memories of it. Most of my nostalgia stems from UO and to a lesser extent, FFXI. Either way they just don't make em like they used to.
>>740019485>doesn't enjoy pvp ganking newbs and farming them.>the penalty in gameplay is that everyone can do that to you too and gangbang you if they get upset at you stepping on new people.>the society roots out its own problems wild west style and everyone claps.WoW devs confirmed basedboys and niggers mentally, no wonder they are so woke today.
>>740019696then activision happened and now pvp servers are gone
>>740018524No you fucking faggot I just wanted something that didn't look like dogshit, why is that hard for you to understand. Boring quests, small ugly zone, no story worth remembering, nothing worth exploring. Vanilla zones each have some of these problems, but to have all of them is a problem
>goblin starting zone on turtlepeople seriously defend that shit? a round-ish island in the middle of nowhere, literally black-and-grey covered in "pollution" and "coal mines". it was bar-none the ugliest thing i've ever seen in world of warcraft and whoever made it should never touch a mapping tool again.
>>740003052Pretty sure Turtle is vmangos
>samefagging and sperging out this hard about Blackstone fucking Island of all places
>>740019575the retail wow devs are also trannies so I don't know what you're complaining about
>>740019807>small ugly and boring with no story worth rememberingsounds perfect for warcraft goblins
>>740002952That's great but it's probably gonna take 3 years at the minimum if they want to make something good so I hope they have the funds or tranny "voluntary" workforce for all that dev time.
>>740020981i dont play that trash either my guy
Announcing an MMO before you even start... yea that goes well every time. I'm sure that Riot MMO is also coming any day now.
>>740002952I mean if it actually comes out one day and is fun sure? But im not holding my breath MMOs are seem to be the hardest genre to develop. I would never just start handing them money before they actually put sometjing out, youd have to be a complete retard to not have the pattern recognition nessisary to see how thats not a good idea
>>740019696>the society roots out its own problems wild west style and everyone claps.Nice in theory but no one managed to make it works, the spergs are relentless and will bleed out your player population.
>>740012071The server softwareThe client software9 already-complete classesLots of quests, zones, dungeons, raids, items, etcAn existing set of lore tied to an already popular IP
There's a new WoW killer coming, but it's not from those criminals.
>>740002952Can't wait for all Classic+ discussion to be hijacked by europoor trannies saying "WELL TURTLEWOW DID THIS AND BLIZZARD SHOULD TAKE NOTES FROM MOONWHISPER." It's going to be insufferable, like XIV fags during Shadowlands
>>740019696Get rid of stealth and it might work. The problem is that Rogues are cowards and will immediately vanish the moment things aren't going their way, only to resume after everyone gets tired of trying to find an invisible person.
>>740002952how many years before they run off with the kickstarter money? any guesses?
>>740023009What kickstarter money?
>>740023031they kickstarter money they will collect after opening their kickstarter
>>740023161>the future event which will definitely happen but has not happenedLOL
>>740023161Man, at least wait for things to happen before complaining about them.
>>740023258>>740023318who wins in a corporation asslicking competition, blizzdrones or nintendies?
>>740023430you have been crying for 2 hours now about goblins in turtle wow ROFLMAO
>>740023430What are you even talking about? You got called out for talking out of your ass, take it with dignity at least.
>another shenna and crogge grift from the ground upnah, people who fall for this kind of shit and the stuff gummy routinely pulls deserve it
>couldnt even get their unreal engine shit out, literally died and was cancelled prior to the shut downLol. Lmao.
shenna and crogge have always been total grifters running off of popular IPs, whatever product they attempt to come out with will either not get off the ground or will release to 20 people
if they stay true to horizontal gear progression i would check it out, if it's cancer gear treadmill shit like wow i won't even give it a second look
>>740002952>ripped off nostalrius' code>ripped off wow retail's assets>"we can totally make a brand new mmo guys"Doubt
>>740002952>Microtransactions for a private serverAnyone that trusts these faggot scammers is a retard
>>740023941Unreal azeroth is a vanilla project by a different team and it's still in work as far as I know. Shenna just wanted twow to run on it too.
>>740017839I didn't pay schizo, I participated in lvl 70 arena ratings in WotLK, which it seems not many people knew about. And it wasn't a mere "twink", it was a character that was like 5 times more powerful, therefore it was like 10 people more or less coordinated.
I'll play it but this is like 5 years out. People forget how long it takes to make a MMO.
>>740007376zoomies so mind broken they look at a game that is 95% wow and say its not a wow clone because its missing the 5%
>>740018406yikesplay adrullan
>>740024064Just feed them to Al and have him remake it. Can't get in trouble since it was already decided that Al isn't responsible for Stolen Content.
>>740007376An honest to god classic wow clone means you need to create sovl, and we know how hard that is for devs nowadays
If they are smart they will aim low, and try to get a consistent "small" playerbase (a few thousands) that stays (with a bunch of whales), and then expand from there aiming to atract more people. Still I don't know how profitable that would be. If any of you believe they are going to try being the next wow killer you're genuinely retarded.
>>740025562>I don't know how profitable that would bePlenty enough, lot of niche mmo/mud are staying afloat thanks to a small dedicated playerbase.
>>740025427Soul can't be created, it must be given from an ensouled artist. That's why you see so many great creators fall off over time: eventually they run out of soul to give to their works
>>740002952>create brand new MMO >from the ground uplol
>>740002952I’m not trans, no.
moonwhisper sounds like some tranny alter ego so thats very on-brand. these motherfuckers are incapable of coming up with names that dont sound absolutely retarded.
>>740002952>We know WOW its all about the grind, yea this is an easy rugpullyou need a retard on board who can write infinite loopholes of good vs bad and copy dune and lord of the ringsThat's all you need to do, as soon as you try to reinvent the wheel, the mmo trannies break the matrix and the scam is done
>>740002952Vaporware. The MMO genre is dead. It was a millenial/Gen-X FOMO that we all took for granted. Kids play shit like Roblox now instead.
>>740026107In the latest patch, the newest zone was Moonwhisper Coast; north of Azshara and Winterspring-ish, it was Tauren/Horde and Draenei/neutral-centric.
>>740026186>Tauren/Horde and Draenei/neutral-centric.trannycore races
>>740025775Yes, if that is their goal I think it's achievable. But all we got is an empty announcement, they could disband before even starting, time will tell.
>>740026340You are new to 4chan LOL
>>740002952If they make something similar to vanilla wow they're going to get sued into oblivion because they already violated black box engineering principles
>>740026340>Tauren>trannycoreThe race with the highest amount of 10yo and retards because bigger=better? You mean the race with the highest amount of middle aged women because cows are cute?Mate, fem blood elves are troon magnets and you pick taurens?
>>740012071The DotA people got explicit permission from Blizzard and they weren't even 10% as plagiarized as turtle wow was.
come at the king
>>740026340There are no trannycore races, anyone playing a female character of any race is a potential tranny.
>>740026340Tauren are the kindest players.
>>740007416>They can't just use Blizzard's code (that they ripped off and rejigged for a private server) and think people won't notice.They made a new client from scratch using UE5. There is literally nothing Blizzard could do if they used that exact same client.In addition, WoW private servers aren't even blizzard code. They're forks of forks of forks of forks of homemade software meant to emulate the responses from a Blizzard server. They don't use Blizzard code nor is it even similar.The only possible way to use "Blizzard's code" is for a Blizzard dev to have personally given it to them. Since there is no way to acquire "Blizzard's code" anywhere on the internet, what you said is the most corporate cocksucky thing I've read all week. Not even Nintendo's fanbase claims that ZSNES, Project64, or Ryujinx use "Nintendo's code".
>>740002952I'll play it :)
>>740027062He's not talking about the UE5 thing, which didn't even come out btw. You absolute fucking weasel. Private servers are ripped from the wotlk trial demo thing. So obviously yes it is stolen code
>>740002952>transwow
>>740023871this
>>740027062The "WoW in Unreal Engine" group was entirely independent from Turtle, and they bailed when the lawsuit hit.