The game was written by libtards with no nuance.

>grew up safe, fed, educated and went to university in something resembling a pre-war city
>"the wasteland is too harsh we need to return to rome"

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>>740011136
The projection goes insane

>>740011136
this is a non arguement
only morons would think they need to
>spend time retarded
to know
>not being retarded is good

>>740011136
It's because he grew up safe, fed, educated and went to university in something resembling a pre-war city that he realizes how absolutely fucked tribals are. He's unwilling to go to the tribals and try to uplift them with patience and understanding. He's dragging humanity back to enlightenment, kicking and screaming, using the universal language of war. Let the Followers waste time learning how to speak Niggerajo, the Legion is going to force them to learn Latin.

>>740011213
His argument is entirely that NCR does not work when he grew up with none of the issues non-NCR societies face because NCR does, in fact, work. It's literally everywhere else in America that sucks. He is railing against the one long term functional society because ????????

>>740011390
>NCR does, in fact, work
well no, it DOESNT
it worked back when it was smaller but now its falling apart and he saw that.

Caesar is right and only trannies cry about it. Death to profligates

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>>740011382
The ncr is overstretched but who's to say legion conquering such a mass of human beings wont result in the same problems of lawlessness happening after his death anyways.

Like you would imagine the legion turning into a ruling class of cultists lording over a mass of non-believers being used as cannon fodder after ceasar's dead, his empire would end up resembling something like the delhi sultanate or ilkhanate persia, not a restored humanity . In fact it probably already is everywhere ceasar isn't there to micromanage

>>740011929
congrats you realized why house is the best option.

>>740012735
>I like being a cuck and need someone to take over instead of me because...huh...I am scared and I am retarded

>>740011001
The NCR is trying to skip a few steps in the (re)establishment of civilization. On one hand, that's a virtue, you're learning from history. On the other hand, it could be seen as a bad thing, ie. you could say it's impatience or unnatural.

But ironically Caesar is doing the exact same thing, just in a more sleight-of-hand way. He's still doing this "unnatural" thing where he's bringing in a meta-knowledge (historical knowledge), and using that to inform the direction of his civilization.

If you're going to do this "hack the system" with sociology and anthropology, you might as well just skip to the end.

>>740013483
>If you're going to do this "hack the system" with sociology and anthropology, you might as well just skip to the end.
And to finish the thought, it's because it's more honest. None of this fake-ness with a coat of paint of real-ness, if that makes sense.

>>740013350
Are you currently running for president anon?
No? So by your own logic you're a cuck.

>>740013350
amazing how choosing house enrages some lesser "people"

>>740013678
I don't have the option to do so retard. I clearly stated instead of taking over. I can't take over but in fnv you can

>>740013772
>enrages some lesser "people"
I am curious how exactly is that different from you taking over?

>>740011136
He reached this conclusion after leaving such education & safety to interact with backwater tribals, and realized that the high quality of life he had under the Followers was the anamoly & that the savage tribals were a more common experience for most people outside of the most civilized parts of California. The Legion is a model he applied to fix societal problems of various primitive people who've lost connection to their own history; the problem is that merging various backwards tribes into a Roman superstate led by a warlord isn't a very benign model for areas of the world that have high standards of living & access to advanced education. What Caesar did is basically the same stuff that Shaka Zulu did to the Zulus, merging all the tribes of South Africa under a single cohesive identity & rewriting the genealogies of non-zulus to give them a Zulu identity, effectively erasing their past to prevent rebellion from the state. Caesar's model isn't set up to handle the resources of the Mojave, and really House is the only faction that knows how to make proper use of everything the Mojave has in a way that ensures a good standard of living.

>>740014247
I can agree with most of this, but even House can't "use" the Mojave; he's entirely dependent upon the NCR. His victory at Hoover Dam and forcing Oliver to sign the treaty documents is the first step in a long, agonizing takeover of the NCR. House needs food from NCR territory because the Mojave can't grow anything. House needs tourism from the NCR because no one living in the Mojave can afford to get into the Strip, and they also don't have anything for his Securitrons to appropriate. What House is doing is essentially become the brahmin baron to end all brahmin barons as he bleeds the NCR dry through selling water, electricity, taxes, and siphoning caps from gambling. He's going to amass so much capital (which he'll invest in infrastructure in the hellhole that is Nevada while purchasing arable land in NCR territory that he can generate passive income off of) that it doesn't matter who's running the NCR, the President is going to have to bend over and take whatever demands House gives.

Separately I don't care if someone's a Housefag or a Legionfag, but I have absolutely ZERO tolerance for any NCRniggers who don't realize that the NCR is absolutely fucked in FNV's continuity, even if the Courier sides with them.

>>740014058
So you're a real life cuck that submits to the authority of others but you pretend to be an alpha chad ruler in imaginary video games?

That's even more pathetic. Because not only are you a cuck loser, you're a cuck loser in denial who copes about his pathetic life with escapism. That's like being a double cuck.

>>740014151
>>740014683
whats with the cuck fetish?

>>740014850
You're the one who used the word first, so you tell me.

>>740014683
>submits to the authority
Retard you don't go to jail or get killed if you take over in FNV, real life has consquences. Exactly how I am cucked in not killing a president and the whole political opposition and single handly taking over (you can't unless you want to die)? Taking over in FNV is not suicide in real life it is
>imaginary video games
I am curious why you play games if you don't play for the purpose of role playing in an imaginary video game? It's literally an RPG dumbass
Idk why I even bother what you post it's clearly bait nobody is this retarded and thinks like you

>>740014974
wrong guy, im jumping in

>>740014996
Do you actually have any reason to believe you'd be a better leader than House, or do you just not give a shit about that and only want power for powers sake?
Because the way you're talking right now really makes it seem like your mindset is
>If I CAN kill everyone else in my way for more power then I SHOULD. Because MORE POWER GOOD ME KILL. What will I do with the power? Who cares I just don't want anyone to have more power than me because then I'll be a cuck!

It's a very 3rd world mindset. And 3rd world is no doubt exactly what New Vegas would become if a moron like you were actually in charge.

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>>740011001
>most people's primary concern is starvation and not being raped by tribals.
Then he's pretty retarded since there was organized societies already popping up during fallout 1.
>NCR was a democratic state with minor corruption issues
>Vault City was a relatively utopian place unless you were too retarded to be considered useful
>New Reno had a fair bit of crime but rarely saw any threats it couldn't deal with
>Tribals off in the middle of nowhere doing tribal shit
>THIS IS GAY, I WANT TO BE ROME
>dies of brain aneurysm leaving his 'society' to be dominated by a generic warlord and turn into nothing more than another raider band

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>>740016294
>"NCR was a democratic state with minor corruption issues"
>supply chain collapsing
>water supply collapsing
>food supply collapsing
>currency collapsing
>Brahmin Barons literally do whatever the fuck they want

>>740016294
>New Reno had a fair bit of crime
That's even more of a euphemism than saying "your mother had a fair bit of cocks in her". New Reno IS crime.

>>740015569
>3rd world is no doubt exactly what New Vegas would become if a moron
It's already a third world shithole and he ruled for years. Freeside is a slum and he doesn't care about it and he does nothing for New Vegas he doesn't even have much control the families are independent, he is no different to a mafia mobster. It's not that hard to be better than a mafia mobster. He has no relationship with anybody nobody sees him so all the factions are skeptical of him, you do all the leg work, people know you they can make deals and interact with you, they can't without him. If he wasn't for you he wouldn't even be ruling New Vegas because of Benny. You are his sidekick willingly which is pure cuckold because you watch him take over everything you did while he does nothing

>>740011001
>Authoritarian slaving rapists being a joinable faction is a-okay because the game is morally grey or whatever
>But ethnonationalism is a no-go because it's... evil?

>>740018785
Actually he is worse than a mafia mobster since they demand loyalty and most capos are loyal which isn't the case with him

His argument is that he let me in into his tent even after I killed a bunch of his guys
LMAO WHAT A RETARD. Who does that WHO? AHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT DUDE SO FUCKING STUPID HAHAHAHAHA

>>740015569
It's like saying I can't hold 100000000 shares of blue chip company stocks because I am retarded and need someone else to do it for me while I get 10% of it instead of owning it myself. You are a cuck and retarded and anyone who choses house is a cuck and retard

>>740018785
>he doesn't even have much control
Nobody does. That's the entire point of the games story.
But in Houses ending, once he finally does gain the power to exert himself it tells us he does a good, if somewhat impersonal job of running things. What the fuck do you know about running a country? The fact that you don't even consider "who's best for the job" as a factor, and your mindset is as simple as "I have the power to kill everyone therefore I will" is exactly like how 3rd worlders think and act, and is exactly why you'd make a shit leader.

>If he wasn't for you he wouldn't even be ruling New Vegas
House literally built New Vegas. It was a hellhole filled with cannibal savages until he took over and turned it into a city again. And under the authority of a 3rd world brained caveman like you that's exactly what it will go back to being.

>>740019863
>What the fuck do you know about running a country
I can say the same about him he never controlled a country never ever not even his city he shares the control of it with the families. He never had any influence outside his city. You are doing exactly the same thing he does. Idk if it's meant to be that way or it's just game limitations but you still have to share control of New Vegas with the families so you still don't have total control so you are retarded to even say you fully control New Vegas, no you don't and neither House.
>House literally built New Vegas
Yea so did Bill Gates built Microslop or Elon Musk Tesla or Bezos with Amazon so what do you think you can't take over their stuff? Oh yeah they worked hard for them yeah lol I bet. I don't give a fuck they are mine now and I will run things as usual. They don't do anything anyway that isn't replacable by anybody else. You are either very cucked by corpos and think bosses aren't useless leeches who rip you off or you are just retarded and rnjoy being a cuck. Which one?

>>740014151
The fact that House is immortal, is integrated into the Securitron network and has had time to plan for the future? The guy calculated when the bombs fell with an error margin of 1 day. He's the reason New Vegas is standing at all. How is he not the best candidate?

>>740019381
House is probably the best man for the job. Pretty gay to stake the future of humanity on your ego

>>740020942
You are immortal too retarded you clearly never played the game and the dlcs lol
>huh no I am a retarded schizo kid/boomer and need daddy House
Lmao

>>740021032
Which DLC makes you immortal? OWB?

>>740021024
>future of humanity
Lmao is this the first time someone said that and was totally wrong?
They said the same about Elon and other corpo retards and now look at them

>>740021160
We're talking about Fallout, not the real world

>>740020412
This argument is going nowhere because you'll never actually take over a country, try to run it yourself, realize you have absolutely no idea what you're doing, and bring the whole thing down around you with your incompetence.
It's all just hypotheticals in your brain, and in the brain of a Dunning-Kruger idiot like you, of course you always think you're the smartest person with the best solution to every issue who never listens to others because it would make you a "cuck" to ever defer to another person's judgement for any reason.

All I can do is call you a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about, and all you can do is is reply "Nuh-uh me smart me kill everyone me rule me good", and we both just go on until someone gets tired.

>>740021138
>OWB
Yea and you can also do the same as house anyway

>>740020412
Most of your argument boils down to
>letting someone else be in charge is being a cuck
Which is a retarded way of making that decision, unless the only thing you care about is your image

>>740021253
>>740021404
Retard you are forced to do shit for every faction you literally already run the country because of your side quest choices. House only takes over of what you already did, this is not even about what happends after you take over, you already did by the time you finish the game and New Vegas acts independent and faction scripted in most areas. In the ending of House he only sends some securitrons over 2 towns and Freeside that's it, is that runing a country to you? He literally said he doesn't care about anything besides New vegas

>>740014996
Lmao the cuck is too scared of jail to do
anything you probably give other players your loot in games because your too cowardly

His methods are also more evil you can at least make the decisioms and interact with the factions but no with him your whole family and faction and town gets killed because he didn't like them lol. He acts exactly like a corpo boss, they don't give a fuck about people

>>740021630
Anon, what do you actually think running a successful, safe and prosperous nation entails?

Because based on this conversation so far, you probably imagine that ruling New Vegas will just consist of sitting on a throne all day ordering everyone you don't like to be killed, and the city will just magically keep running in its own with no issues forever.

>>740021818
Lol obvious bait. How did killing the president and taking over the country went anon? Why don't you rob a bank right now to escape your third world shithole that you live you cuck

>>740021953
>Because based on this conversation so far, you probably imagine that ruling New Vegas will just consist of sitting on a throne all day ordering everyone you don't like to be killed, and the city will just magically keep running in its own with no issues forever.
That's exactly what houde does as evidence by Freeside, Prim, Goodsprings

>>740021235
>not the real world
Yet 10 minutes you have retards who talk about the real world lmao

>>740011001
Caesar is basically a midwit who thinks they would rule the world they got isekai'd into because they know some Art of War quotes, some random psych tricks and what rotation farming is
So basically any midwit who wakes up in most fictional settings will stomp with ease and it's only Caesar's brain tumor that stopped him.

>>740011001
His overall philosophy is that structure, stability, and order are the most important things a society can offer the people in order to reduce the barbarity & savagery of anarchy. He thought the pre-war democracies were weak & corrupt institutions that contributed to the destruction of the world. He thought the NCR "democracy" was weak and corrupt. His legion was vehemently opposed to corruption in all its forms.

No one in the legion believes in Caesar's philosophy because they're too low iq to even understand that their great leader doesn't intend for the legion to survive as it is. His intention is for the legion and ncr to clash catastrophically forming something new, one which if the present legion saw, they'd say that the legion has fvllen.

>>740013350
Why do you need to be the big man in the big seat? You got some kind of complex? Just get paid by setting up the rich narcissist and live the best life you can in a post-apocolyptic wasteland

>>740022285
>barbarity & savagery
That's his faction retard. His factions are the barbarians and savages

>>740022474
How do you know he won't betray you or kick you out when he doesn't need you anymore? You trust with your life someone you met for less than a month

Being Houses right hand man means you have basically just as much power as he does but none of the tedious bureaucratic responsibilities.

You can just bum around doing whatever you want (as long as you're not blatantly abusing the NV citizenry) and House will only bother you when he has a new quest for you to take care of. And even if he ever does betray you or do something you fundamentally disagree with, you have the ability to break into the Lucky 38s hidden areas and kill him anyways, switching course to Yes Man whenever you want.

Only reason to be upset about this arrangement is if you have some sort of 3rd worlder mindset where you think ever listening to another person for any reason ever damage your ego to the point where you instantly want to murder them, but if you're like that how did you even make it out of Goodsprings without murdering Sunny for thinking she could "boss you around" by asking you to kill some geckos?

>>740022552
Because the ending literally says he doesn't?

>>740022641
>Lucky 38s hidden areas and kill him anyways, switching course to Yes Man whenever you want.
That makes you dangerous so he will probably kill you eventually to avoid the risks if he is as smart as he says he is

>>740022760
Then he is a retard if he doesn't because you are dangerous you can kill him at any point. I wouldn't trust the courier if I was as smart as he says. Benny was a good red flag

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>>740011001
Too long didnt read

This thread is now property of Caesar

>>740022867
>>740022945
These responses are straight out of the brain of someone who must have grown up in a low trust society (aka 3rd world).
>"I HAVE to kill everyone more powerful than me because they're definitely plotting to kill me first because that's what I would do if I was in their position!"
Literal cavemen, lmao.

>>740023082
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_assassination_attempts_and_plots
>I don't know history
That's just USA btw if we go over Germany, Russia, France and Roman Empire this would be a 100 hours long list
Despots are always easy targets

>>740011670
Ave amicus.

>>740011001
>So in summary his argument is that the world has gone to shit and it is retarded to try to stablish institutions like democracy or human rights when most people's primary concern is starvation and not being raped by tribals.
No, his argument is that old world governments will just repeat the same cycles that lead to the Great War and he is attempting to install a culture that is very tech skeptic and more oriented towards primitivism in an attempt to synthesize these values into growing old world style cultures springing up in the wasteland. The fact that the entire Hegelian Dialectic argument STILL goes over people's heads over a decade later is still hilarious to me.

The Legion was created to fight old world governments and then synthesize with them into new cultures which can progress society out of tribal and raider lifestyles but not go full tech crazy

>>740023313
>The Legion was created to fight old world governments and then synthesize with them into new cultures which can progress society out of tribal and raider lifestyles but not go full tech crazy
Fighting the old world by returning to the copper age. 100000 IQ

>>740022486
>That's his faction retard. His factions are the barbarians and savages
That depends on one's point of view. They consider most people outside of themselves as profligates (behaving in a morally wrong or shameless manner) that need civilizing. Their goal isn't evil extermination, but a restoration of order and morals (their morals). For instance they prohibit chem use and view prostitution as reprehensible.

Like all good villains, Caesar's Legion isn't cartoonishly evil for the sake of being evil. They have a system of beliefs that when viewed from certain perspectives would be attractive and sensible to a lot of people under the conditions of a Fallout-type world. They believe they are justified in their crusade against "barbarity."

>>740023369
>no muh copper age tribe is civilized the other copper agetribes are savages and barbarians, also the ones with planes masions and other good shit they are the most barbaric

>>740023360
>returning to the copper age. 100000 IQ
Theyre like 19th century afaik, and yes when you want to install primitives and tech skepticism into society you create a highly religious society that shames those who rely too much on tech

>>740011001
>stablish
clearly he was right about the world being retarded, ESL retard libtard faggot, ssems like he clearly struck a nerve with your limpwristed pencilnecked pansyfaggot ass, fucking queer homo

>>740012735
house rules half a ruined city

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>>740023664
>19th century
Lmao

>>740023880
The cities they capture are semi industrialized and they know how to operate some modern tech, make Bolt / lever action rifles, and originally were supposed to be a diesel punk faction with dune buggies n shit which wouldve been kino but Gamebyro can barely handle trains. So yeah id say roughly 19th century. They arent tribals, Caesars entire beginning was using his Followers education to teach tribals how to make and maintain firearms then conquer other tribals and cities

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>>740011136
I'll commend Edward's ambition on wanting to educate tribals, which eventually lead to him crowing him their military strategist in the face of death or enslavement which lead to him conquering 3-4 states and controlling tens of millions of people. But how does his origin invalidate his accomplishments? I swear you retards on this site...

>>740014668
>Separately I don't care if someone's a Housefag or a Legionfag, but I have absolutely ZERO tolerance for any NCRniggers who don't realize that the NCR is absolutely fucked in FNV's continuity, even if the Courier sides with them.
NCRfags have gotten increasingly annoying over the years, downplaying the very real, very large issues the NCR has. Personally, I think that even if someone likes the NCR, it's smarter for them to side with another faction because the NCR desperately needs a kick to the teeth.

>>740024025
Not everyone uses guns most use melee. That would be more like 15-17th century

is the Legion against all technology or not? I didn't quite get it

Legion is the chud faction who want to be controversial for the sake of being

>>740024154
>not everyone uses guns most use melee
Nah most of the brand new recruits use a mix of spears , machetes, and varmint rifles/ single shotguns at low levels then they get repeating rifles , 357 revolvers, caravan shotguns , 44 carbines, hunting shotguns etc. Then once you get passed the recruits they get marksman rifles, 10mm submachine guns, grenades, thermic lances, hunting rifles, and power fists. Most of them do have firearms just not on the same level as what NCR gets who at the very least always get service rifles at lowest levels

>>740024132
The NCR needs restructuring which isn't going to happen if they lose or stalemate in a war. The USA didn't magically improve after we got out of Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan or other conflicts. You gotta get rid of the inept politicians and corporations backing them which no piece of fiction is ever going to blatantly come out and say. Well maybe some parts of FNV do say it but still.

>>740024441
>Even the NCR does not make most of its shit, Chomps Lewis tells us the quarry gear they use is refurbished old world stuff
Except we know for a fact that people still have access to machining required for making modern firearms because of the gun runners and the fact you as a player can reload your own ammunition and maintain your firearms? The world of fallout occurs hundreds of years after the Great War and even in Fallout 2 we can see that people have begun to reindustrialize and the NCR makes concrete and has a railway system as well as being able to refurbish high tech old world shit like power armor and vertibirds.

World building wise it doesn't make any sense that people do not know how to make or maintain modern machinery hundreds of years after the bombs fell. Fallout 2 had a fully functioning nuclear reactor and Vault City was high tech as fuck

>>740024328
They are whatever the writer says they need to be in order for a villainous faction to exist.

>>740024328
They're like Mennonites who are very skeptical about tech and relying too much on it but they sont hate all technology

>>740011001
His goal is to be an opposing force for the NCR so when they inevitably clash the either NCR will come out stronger or the Legion will reign supreme, he tells you this in the game so I don't see why any of this is up for debate

>>740024328
The only spurning is the use of chems and stimpaks, in favor of herbs and just toughing it out. They will and are shown to use guns and weapons of anykind. Caesar clearly favors the Boomers bomber plane.

>>740024328
There's a whole ass questline about how they're willing to use energy weapons, but no one sees it because it requires you to let Cass die

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>>740011136
Because he's interested in large-scale, long-term stability for a large number of people. I'd hardly call Caesar a humanitarian, but that is what he started out as, and I don't think it's a stretch to say it's still what he wants, just in a different way. In the Fallout universe, democracy failed, and now it's failing again for all the same reasons under the NCR. If you were actually living in this world, could you really justify saying "third time's the charm"? Especially when you've studied history and seen other, much more authoritarian empires succeed in situations that feel more familiar to you than anything in the immediate pre-war era? Rome came to exist in an era of wilderness, beasts, tribes, hunger, low-tech and constant warfare and it succeeded in that environment.
Obviously what Ed fails to see is that the downfall of Rome began with Julius Caesar, but it's clear that the version of the Legion we see in FNV is essentially a necessary evil. Brute force strength to build an empire, kill anybody who gets in the way and scare the shit out of everybody so they fall in line. Obliterate old tribal allegiances so you don't end up with a coup, kill all criminals on the spot, use slavery as a means of getting things done quickly and cheaply, and build a massive military to make it all happen. But for as much as he misinterprets Hegel, his end goal is not the total destruction of the NCR, but merging with it, just with the Legion and their authoritarian rule as the primary ideology, rather than the NCR's faux democracy.
As it turns out, when you write multi-faceted characters, they are not either 'paragon of good, correct all the time' or 'blatant retarded and evil because it's funny'. We live in a (relatively) nice world and take a lot of things for granted. We put a lot of value on more ideological concepts like human rights and individual freedom, but see how much you care when you've been beaten and starving for your entire life.

>>740011001
>Cheesars Legion will overtake the Mojave. He has sent his Friulanomentarii to sow chaos such as Vulscombe Inculta. We operate on simple dairy-lectics

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>retards larping as Rome, the old U.S. and Howard Hues will save human civilization
This is why I'm taking away your fat mans and gatling lasers.

>retards still misunderstand legion's ideology
the whole point is that modern civilization is unsustainable and inevitably lead to apocalyptic conflict. Only by going back to tribeniggers can you make sure humanity lasts forever.

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>>740011929
The game itself touches on the fact that Caesar's Legion is a cult-of-personality and it's guaranteed to die the instant he does, this is why it's your civic duty to give Caesar the biggest seizure of his life with a bullet and end his flailing

>>740011001
The Legion's model is only beneficial to people who have led primitive, tribal lifestyles of hunting or scavenging. It's why the White Legs wanted to join the Legion so bad. But when you look at the Mojave as a region, most people who live there have pretty high standards of living and aren't ignorant tribals. The Goodsprings settlers are fairly educated & are prosperous enough doing their own thing, Primm had a similar standard that Goodsprings had until organized convicts took over (which can be solved by re-installing a sheriff), and Novac depends on distributing salvage from Repcon to be marketable & doesn't benefit from being prohibited from utilizing advanced technology. The absolute worst, most destitute, and dysfunctional area in the Mojave is Freeside, but even then there are still localized efforts to rectify the issues occurring there; the Kings provide security, the Followers provide medical treatment & education, & Mick & Ralph provide repairs, logistics, and munitions that are needed for defense. Despite how bad things are in Freeside, things aren't so bad that enslaving 90% of the locals would benefit anyone. I guess you could argue that it would good for the raider gangs like Jackals, Vipers, and Fiends to be enslaved instead of terrorizing people, but they're only even there due to taking advantage of the chaos caused by a literal war occurring in the region; siding with any faction that isn't Yes Man removes them from the equation. There just anything the Legion offers to the region that would justify the negatives of their rule.

Yea it's common sense nobody would chose caesar's legion with a straight face. It's a troll faction. They didn't try to make it believable or a good alternative faction. It's just there for the lulz

One million hours too late, but
>Howard Hues

>>740026815
what would Caesar have done if he found one of those nuclear silos?

>>740021032
If you keep your brain in the Big Mt. then your brain either dissolves after a few hundred years if neutral or good karma, or you nuke yourself as an "experiment" if evil karma. It's not a very ideal option in either case & is still inferior to House's technology. The absolute best a Yes Man Courier can do is putting his brain in a jar & going crazy.

>>740028693
Sorry, I was enjoying a banana and had monkeys on my mind

>>740011001
Reminder that if you don't side with Caesar then you didn't understand the game's message and you should go back to school.

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>>740026578
>This is why I'm taking away your fat mans and gatling las-ACK

House can't even stand up to take a piss. He's not going to fix New Vegas, or reach space.

>>740029207
This.
>If war doesn't change, then men must change.
Caesar is the only one trying to change man through brutal suffering.

>>740024628
Losing inconsequential wars on the other side of the globe is different from having your direct neighbors kicking your ass or having an enemy at the gates. The inept NCR politicians and businessmen are only going to cement their positions further with a victory in the Mojave.

>>740029275
See? You don't even need 'em.

>>740026578
>*Self-destruction emergency sounds in the background*

>>740029207
>we wuz romans and shit
Lol ok kid I think you should go back and learn some history before larping as romans

>>740029358
Listen to this. Fighting Caesar in the dam is a inconsequential war on the other side of the world for the average NCR citizen.

>>740029363
And you ain’t gonna get em.

>>740011929
He himself predicts that and implies it's a feature, not a bug, that it's somehow either meant to be the whetstone that the NCR sharpens itself on into a "real" society, or the NCR is conquered and they synthesise

>>740011590
Every faction in the game is literally one competent courier away from world domination. That's pretty far from "falling apart."

>>740024328
They view that technology can only be used by those who have "proven" themselves to be capable enough to not depend on it. So basically, you have to earn the right to use advanced tech in the Legion; it's a privilege. The end result is that all of the high ranking officers have advanced tech while everyone else is stuck wity throwing spears & machetes. The mentality around this approach was to produce soldiers that are physically robust & adaptable when caught without access to certain equipment, but results in a problem where the vast bulk of the armies are melee skirmishers. Chief Hanlon buck broke the Legion by abusing mine placement & other ranged explosives because the Legion's military model doesn't really know how to handle that. The NCR shot itself in the foot by replacing Hanlon with Oliver.

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>>740029358
Let me let you in on a secret: the war between the NCR/Legion is a stand-in for the at the time the recent war in Iraq. Both started from imperialism and political chickenhawk incompetence.

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>>740029376
>>740029426
>Capital gets wiped off the earth by a brainwashed wastelander with a nuke
Yeah, no. Hand it over. You can't be trusted with 'em.

>>740029712
The 2nd Battle for Hoover Dam actually has more in-common with the Vietnam War than the Iraq War.

>>740029586
Factually incorrect. None of the NCR's internal problems are resolved by the Courier fighting for them. The best thing the Courier can hope for is becoming governor of New Vegas, and quickly finding themselves the primary target of the bureaucratic bourgeoisie back in California. There is absolutely no justifiable reason to side with the NCR unless one chooses to RP as a Courier who's Army retired.

>>740029619
>caesar's legion military model doesn't really know how to handle that.
>copper age tribes can't handle advanced tech
No shit make yourself disabled and fight aginst jacked armored guys what could go wrong? Yet there are some retarded trannies who believe the legion can win lmao

@740029924
>implying (You) (Indian) have advanced tech
lulz

>>740029586
The nature of these things is that problems with simple solutions tend not to get solved because someone without or within benefits from them. NCRs biggest issue is their incompetent and corrupt leadership both in the Mojave and California proper, as well as being spread too thin. Caesar’s issue is he is dying and has not actually managed to achieve his lynchpin goal to secure his empire, House is that he is his limited mobility. And that he needs to rely on agents to deal with anything that would require him to leave the Vegas area. You are just the guy who unfucks things enough for any one group to break the stalemate.

>>740029992
Why are you talking to yourself tranny?

>>740011001
I thought his point was to unify the entire wasteland in a republic moreso as a foundation for a new civilization, rather than focusing on the specifics of the civilization itself. He's one of those the ends justify the means kinda guys.

>>740029824
>bringing up amazon slop
Fuck off and go back.

Caesar's legion looks like India lol

@740030089
>Indian thinks he has high science and intelligence because he can post on 4chan
YOU HATE TO SEE IT

>>740030169
I deny that I am indian because I am white but can you deny you are a tranny?

@740030265
>Indian thinks he is a true Aryan white man
AHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAH

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>>740023313
>is that old world governments will just repeat the same cycles that lead to the Great War and he is attempting to install a culture that is very tech skeptic and more oriented towards primitivism in an attempt to synthesize these values into growing old world style cultures

Yes because the people who line up highways with cruficied profligates would NEVER use a nuclear bomb

The hegelian diuretics bullshit is just how arguments work. One society believes something, another the contrary, they kill each other and whichever created the more functional society takes what is advantageous from the opposite system and then moves on. It is nihilism, the belief that there's no truth, good or evil, only whatever is convenient for a society to survive, wich ironically is how progressives think. Grooming children is okay because it doesn't harm society kind of bullshit

>>740030364
>didn't deny he is a tranny
Thought so

>>740029868
The game can be a battle of ideology just as well as a king simulator. The justifiable reason is the current state of affairs does not always justify the dismantling of an otherwise relatively virtuous empire.

Also only jeets use aryan unironically in 21st century

>>740030396
You seem pretty smart. What is the universal political system that works in all instances of humanity's technological development, cultural foundation, economic power, and military strength? You should tell us so we can finally get that one-world government thing rolling out and end all these wars, the poverty and homelessness, and petty 24/7 media backstabbing bullshit currently going on.

>>740030396
>they kill each other and whichever created the more functional society takes what is advantageous from the opposite system and then moves on
Nigga that is not what hegelian dialectics are

>>740030407
>durr you have to deny you're a poopoo butt man or else you really are a poopoo butt man
shut up, fag. you're like the stinky, annoying cousin, who breaks your toys

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>>740030124
I accept your concession outsider

>>740030697
>stinky, annoying cousin, who breaks your toys
Idk never had one because I am not a jeet like you where some family members stink. Also tells more about your childhood while you are at it jeet tranny

>>740011382
how is he building that civilization exactly
because last time I checked legion was just an army

>>740030585
None. No political system is just because it will always be dependent on humans and their active judgement. Morality, compassion, it is a trace humans have of their original selves as inteded by God but the decandence inhate to being human will always prevail. Our goal as individuals is to participate and make as just and fair a system as we can, without ever trusting it entirely.

Going out of your way to be a sadistic cretin achieves nothing, as exampled by >>740011929

>>740030462
>otherwise relatively virtuous empire
>Meanwhile in Bitter Springs
And Boone dares cry about his wife.

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>>740030715
It’s not a concession you’re referencing material made by retards who retcon most of the setting to create brain dead slop for normalfags. Also Outsider? The BOS in the show recruit? They’re shithesda through and through and they destroy pre-war tech for shits and giggles

Democracy is a failed experiment. Embrace benevolent dictatorship.

>>740031148
>recuiting savages from legion territory
Yeah, that tracks.

>>740031032
That's a huge word salad for you to avoid admitting that morality is relative. I'm sure you love jerking yourself off to the thought of giving up your last bit of food to a starving orphaned child, but you can't let masturbatory fantasies dictate your decisions. Humans don't have a moral imperative because morality doesn't exist. An ounce of justice has no mass. A mole of mercy has no value. These are lies created by humans to shackle other humans. Don't be a slave.

>>740031027
The Legion has territory that rivals the NCR. Actually, it is more peaceful and stable than the NCR. You won't lose your father to a raider on Legion territory. In NCR they tax your corpse.

>>740031329
They’re not in Arizona. Fuck off secondary.

>>740031341
>relative
>the morality behind being a tranny is relative
Spotted the tranny

>>740031140
The Khans deserved Bitter Springs for being obnoxious retards who attacked travelers and caravans.

>>740031341
shut up tranny

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>>740031542
Nigger you believe morality is subjective

You are no different from a tranny waving his axe wound at preschoolers because "sexuality is le cultural"

>>740031140
Bitter Springs was the only good thing the NCR did in the Mojave, but then they even fucked that up by not finishing the job.

>>740031663
Wrong faggot srry >>740031341

>>740031467
>>740031542
>>740031663
???

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It's a common theme in Fallout that the tribals are much better suited in living the Wasteland than anybody is in an individual level, it's just that they are always just disparate communities that are isolated in various regions hence they will always get overwhelmed by other "collectivized tribes" like the NCR and Enclave. The Legion is the logical answer on this dilemma.

>>740031416
I didn't say they were, i said they recruited from Legion territory. Because that's the only reason why i could.see that particular chapter beimg so wierd.

The old world should be unsalvageable but everything just stagnates because nobody wants to come up with something interesting, it's going to be the ink spots and a 1950s exploded gas station until the end of this series

>>740031663
Recognizing subjectivity =! Condoning subjectivity

At this point I'm going to presume you're trolling because no one can be as fucking retarded as you're being right now. Have a great day.

>>740029712
youtuber tier opinion
The Battle of Hoover dam almost perfectly parallels the battle between Christian Europe and Turks

>>740031148
Why would they care about a car?

>>740031843
>I didn't say they were, i said they recruited from Legion territory
So Arizona, again fuck off secondary.
>Because that's the only reason why i could.see that particular chapter beimg so wierd
They’re all like that in the show.

>>740031897
>subjectivity
It doesn't exist it's only in your tranny head the world has fixed laws just like gravity. Gravity is not subjective. There is some randomness due to quantum mechanics but it doesn't mean that the randomness is not deterministic because of our limitations

>>740032079
It's generally polite to respond to someone who tells you, "Have a great day," with something like, "You have a great day as well."

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>>740031897
>Recognizing subjectivity =! >Condoning subjectivity

>That's a huge word salad for you to avoid admitting that morality is relative.

What even is your argument here? Do you simply believe whatever the vibes tell you to? Do you reject Christianity because it makes you cringe aesthetically? Are you even the same person that made the other post, what the fuck is going on?

>>740031356
And what exactly are they doing with peace and stability? Certainly not building or discovering anything useful, that's proscribed.

>>740032025
The same reason they would care about Vertibirds. They can use them for transport and combat purposes.

>>740032208
Caesar himself said The Legion was looking for its Rome before switching from military focus to development focus. New Vegas being that Rome.

>>740031679
>>740031502
I can see the old military uniform and smell the whisky and cigarettes from these posts.

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>>740032025
yeah, why would a militaristic organization care about motorized vehicles?

>>740032381
Cry to your papa shitboot.

>>740032212
>>740032450
But they have vertibirds and airships for that. They don't need cars

>>740032207
I'm going to presume you're being retarded in good faith, so I'll give you a genuine answer. I started with Absurdism and further extrapolated that life has no meaning, so it is up to Us (humanity) to give it meaning. Humanity is not one entity, so every human has a different (subjective) perception on what the meaning of life is, as they apply it themselves. I recognize that everyone does what they believe is best. I further recognize that everyone operates from a position where they believe they, themselves, are logical. This does not mean that I believe that a retard throwing their feces about a bathroom is a waif desperate to unleash the next Pollock painting out of their asshole, it means I believe that person is doing what they think is best for themselves at that given moment. Their answer to an existence without meaning is to give it meaning by smearing shit all over the place.

Now, I don't have that kind of value system, so I think they're a shit-throwing retard and they need to be restrained before they give everyone cholera. Just because I recognize their subjective belief doesn't mean I condone it, because my subjective belief system is separate from their own. Conflict arises because everyone has a subjective opinion, because reality is subjective, because reality has no meaning (read: no value; read: no measurement) beyond what humanity applies to it.

tl;dr was mathematics discovered or invented

>>740024045
It doesn’t invalidate his accomplishments but it makes his reason for doing it moot. The NCR created a functioning state without any of his ideology. Nobody needs to do all of the things he says they need to do in order to rebuild a functioning society.

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>>740032715
>The NCR created a functioning state
>NCR
>functioning state

>>740032594
>ground offense and patrols
>transporting things that cannot be carried via air
>general troop transport
Not to mention they have limited numbers of both. I mean a bunch of colonial LARPers with 18th century mortars can take out an airship.

>>740032715
Accept for that whole food and water crisis caused by a growing population part

>>740032715
Literally every single success the NCR has is because of Tandi, and what she learned from the Lone Wanderer, and that Caesar is so analogous to the Lone Wanderer it's maddening most people don't notice it.

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>>740032594
and why does the modern day military still use cars when we have helicopters and air planes?

>>740032634
>Absurdism and further extrapolated that life has no meaning
If that was the case no more humans would exist. Breeding is clearly a meaning for humans if you like it or not. I know that's impposible for a tranny like you to breed but you can't deny the reality

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>>740032908
>what she learned from the Lone Wanderer
Stop posting and play the games you dumb nigger.

>>740032943
Oh yeah? Why does the modern day military still have horses?

>>740032960
You're not writing in the same style as the person I replied to. Tell your Hindi-to-English bot to try harder.

>>740032984
Because they work well on terrain that cannot be accessed by car or other vehicle.

>>740032981
Why should I waste hours playing that shit when I can literally just use fandom and lets play's?

>>740033016
>we trannies don't accept replies if they aren't from other trannies
I am not a jeet I am white but nice try.
You lost tranny

>>740033050
You know who else work well on terrain that cannot be accessed by car or other vehicle?

>>740033074
>admits he’s a secondary
Because you end up fucking up simple shit and outing yourself as a retard who is arguing she he doesn’t know about.

>>740031774
>It's a common theme in Fallout that the tribals are much better suited in living the Wasteland than anybody is in an individual level
Because Fallout is written by white liberals and the tribals are a standin for blacks and gays while the settled people are a standin for whites and straights.

>>740032634
>because reality has no meaning
So you do believe its up to opinion, and your logic system is an arbitrary choice, and you admit it is arbitrary as much as the retard throwing shit at the wall. But your assumption that reality by itself is devoid of morals untill applied by others is false. The "gram of mercy" is the functioning of the proper human brain, as intended by its creator. You might then say, that i am conceding to my previous strawman. That i conclude that it is only the natural selection of the surviving society that makes it "good". But it is not. A system can exist, even thrive and be immoral and against humanity, and the fact that we are even able to make this discussion proves that separate of pragmatism theres a constant desire for justice emerging from humans. Otherwise natural selection wouldve skipped sentience and just turned us into eusocial animals like ants

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>>740033120
A helicopter still needs to be able to do shit like land, and be able to drop off and pick up troops.

>>740033135
OR it's literally just about primitivism

>>740033220
Primitivists IRL do the same thing.

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>>740033120
your mom

>>740033135
So this is definitely some retarded reddit nigger false flagging right? I mean for fuck sake the chosen one is a white guy.

>>740032825
>ground offense and patrols
Power Armor and regular infantry in combat armor
>transporting things that cannot be carried via air
Like what, tanks? Tanks were replaced with power armor.
>general troop transport
Again, vertibirds

>>740032943
Because we have the resources to keep using them, while the fallout universe ran out of those resources before the Great War. Even the U.S. stopped using tanks and trucks en masse.

>>740033074
You shouldn't. Everything rpg choices and consequences word salad praised by youtubers is done tenfold by other isometric rpgs. Everything "mechanically interesting" is done tenfold better by other Bethesda games.

>>740011136
literally every communist leader that wasnt in the russian revolution

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>I AM CAESAR THE LEGION DIES WITH ME
I wonder if Sawyer has an opinion on this from the show. It's believable for an egomaniac to go "fuck all of you" but I don't really see Caesar doing it unless he survived the game and shit got REALLY bad afterwards. He seemed too legacy-obsessed.

>>740033278
Does the word "standin" mean anything to you, guy?

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>>740032825
>I mean a bunch of colonial LARPers with 18th century mortars can take out an airship.
Yeah if its not moving then its just an unprotected target

>>740033346
Sawyer likes trannies

>>740030124
>amazon slop
You mean the same slop that originally came from Lonesome Road ending?

>>740033120
MY MOM!

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>>740011136
Thats the point. The OP says it. Hes kurtz from Heart of darkness. They even copied his terminal disease

>>740033304
>Power Armor and regular infantry in combat armor
And they need to be transported there en masse and if the enemy has proper anti-armor or vehicles of their own they end up getting fucked.
>Like what, tanks
Generators, engines, power armor components, weapons ships, raw materials.
>Again, vertibirds
How many vertibirds do you think they have? Not to mention one can only fit a squad of people and they can be shot down with relative ease.

>>740033304
they have the resources to fuel vertibirds and airships but they can't fuel a few ground vehicles?

>>740033497
Those arships seem to be able to transport all that just fine.

>>740033437
Play Lonesome Road reddit nigger. The capital wasn’t nuked in either scenario and the NCR didn’t get turned into a shithole like the Capital or Commonwealth.

>>740033147
I understand your subjective perspective.

European females have higher pain tolerances compared to African females because the Europeans have higher levels of oxytocin. This was caused by thousands of years of evolution in the harsh European climate. This adaptation was necessary because oxytocin is also the "trust" hormone that allows for empathy. In those harsh European winters, various tribes needed to trust each other just to survive via cooperation. Oxytocin is also important for pair-bonding between parents and offspring.

These high levels of oxytocin are also why Europeans are the only ethnic group in the world to also believe in giving value to out-groups, groups outside of their own ethnicity. Europeans have evolved to fail in a globalized society because no other ethnic group has as high levels of oxytocin as them. Every other ethnic group values their group above all others, because that is their subjective perspective on reality. Only they matter. Everyone else does not.

Heaven forbid you meet a Christian European who believes that we are all brothers and sisters in the eyes of God. What a deleterious subjective perspective that is.

>>740033368
More you’re not using it correctly and just keep outing what a terminal retard you are.

>My son was taken away for training as fodder/catamite, my daughter was sold as an officer's cum dumpster, my wife will be washing used shoulder pads until her hands fall off, and I'm about to get nailed to a cross but those other guys were making me pay taxes

>>740033687
>what a swell fella that caesar :)

>>740033380
>Yeah if its not moving then its just an unprotected target
So like 99% of the time then.

@740033687
>you were too weak to be a soldier in the Legion
>you blame the Legion for dominating you instead of blaming yourself for not being strong
checks out

>>740033578
>hose arships seem to be able to transport all that just fine.
So they are just going to call in an airship for every operation where it can be taken out or damaged?

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>>740033596
From Avellone himself
> There are countless ripples that stem from the Divide. Without it, you never would have found the Sierra Madre, encountered Christine, Elijah, and Ulysses, seen Big MT, and more. From one simple act, countless others were born.

>Lastly, I wanted to nuke the Fallout world to reset things. NCR's getting a bit big, and it's making things too civilized. Lonesome Road was a way of resetting the culture clock.

https://www.gamebanshee.com/interviews/105885-fallout-new-vegas-and-dlc-post-mortem-interview-part-two.html

>>740033826
That’s from over ten years ago you retard and he’s on the entire thing just saying he wants things to be drawn back. Not a complete fucking reset.

>>740033778
>personal strength = getting jumped in your own village by trash-can wearing dickheads

>>740033687
Try not being a degenerate next time.

>>740033947
>Lastly, I wanted to nuke the Fallout world to reset things.

>>740033642
nta you're a pseud, while there is a link between oxytocin and some of the rest you've said, everything about europeans being overly trusting goes out the window when you consider slavs and gypsies and central european feelings regarding jews and muslims during the middle ages.

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>>740033560
>>740033497
Airships are powered by nuclear, which pre-war America went all in on to the point of creating miniature fission batteries. If there's a lack of resources like gas and oil and vertibirds are the only thing you've reliably got and happen to run on a combustible engine, then yeah i can see them focusing on air superiority over trucks and tanks.

>>740034092
Nevermind that if you put a French man and a British man or a Scottish man and a British man in the same room back then you'd likely find a room completely coated in blood and two dead Europeans

>>740033826
I'm pretty sure Avellone meant that nuking the Long 15 severely hinders the NCR's ability to expand eastward, which limits them to California-Oregon-Washington. The NCR still exists, but it can't keep growing the way it previously was. In-setting, the NCR can't use the I-40 because that leads to Flagstaff, they can't use the I-10 because that leads to Phoenix, and they can't use the I-8 because that's still in the Arizona Valley. They'd have to use the I-80, and that requires dealing with Reno.

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>>740033642
You do realize jesus, the buddha, lao tse, none of them were white.
I kind of see what youre arguing then, perhaps that whatever is in the biological interest of your race is whatever is worth doing. Yet weakness christian morality that you claimed makes europeans special did not come from europeans, nor were europeans the first ones to convert to it, but anatolian greeks, syrians, egyptians, berbers, ethiopians, sudanese, romans yes, but also indians. The truth is europeans were given the chance to be free of peer pressure, of the so called high trust society around them, and when given the freedom to do as they pleased they were not good men.

The racial, biological interest, the exploitation of others as mere cattle to be used, it of course functioned. It could've simply functioned indefinitely by keeping africans technologically inferior forever. But on both sides was the ability to understand morality. The ability to realize that even if my descendants will live rich for generations, it was wrong, it was hypocritical.

>>740033663
Star Wars, we all know it was a leftist screed about how the Viet Cong were the good guys, but George Lucas didn't make the main cast Vietnamese. He used the Rebels as a standin for the Viet Cong. Same thing here.

>>740034005
>I know there was a lot said about me “nuking the West” as one of the endings for Fallout (one of many, including the Legion invading the West), but it was never any intention to wipe out NCR, it was only to introduce more conflict. In the series, the entire Mojave feels like it’s taken a big step back from where it was anyway. It certainly made the NCR-Legion conflict obselete in one single stroke, which kind of makes anything you did in New Vegas pointless, I suppose.
Cry harder nigger.
https://chrisavellone.medium.com/fallout-apocrypha-tv-series-review-part-2-1744b68fe4f2

>>740033642
That's not how evolution works you retard. I bet you think people gain immunity from smaller bullets by being shot by larger bullets.

>>740011001
>when most people's primary concern is starvation and not being raped by tribals
His answer was to assimilate, kill or enslave the tribals that were harassing people, bringing security and with security a chance to prosper.

>>740034259
>Cry harder nigger.
I'm not the one crying over the NCR being wiped out. But keep coping and forever playing the same game over and over again.

>>740034095
The Chrysalis Highwayman runs on energy cells and not gas. Not to mention they literally had motorized vehicles in Tactics where all the airship bullshit was first introduced.

>>740034095
>If there's a lack of resources like gas and oil
good thing Fallout cars don't run on gas and oil

>>740034092
>>740034149
1) It was 109 countries, not just 1.
2) You're using jokes to as logic.

>>740034228
You believe it was hypocritical, while there are others who unironically state, "Look at how shitty South Africa has become since whites lost their farmland to the natives. Apartheid never should've ended and Rhodesia was the best thing to ever happen to that shit hole." You are a moral person trying to be moral; good. Great, even. The world would be a better place with more people like you in it. The reason the world isn't a better place is because most people don't have your perspective on life, because it's all subjective. That's just how it is on this bitch of an earth.

>>740034313
It is. Those who had the most empathy in that specific situation would be able to survive to pass on their genetics. Genetics don't have an evolutionary determination. "Survival of the fittest" is purely incidental, rather than directed.

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>>740034512
>i wish the white supremacists were still in charge of south africa
>you have good morals
that's enough posting anon

>>740034382
>tries defending his favorite slop
>cant
>thinks bringing up devs will save him
>is shown to be wrong about everything
>n-no u
Go back to eating shit and prowling the wiki, faggot,

@740034574
Ha ha, well trolled! Updooted and screenclapped for posteriority!

>>740034628
congratulations on failing to deny me attention

>>740034237
No he didnt, the rebels are nothing like the viet-cong in either action or ideology. For fuck sake they have royalty on their side. What stupid fucking eceleb did you get this shit from?

>>740033329
Russia always had a problem with their elites on how to govern the overall unwashed masses who basically don't respond to anything but their own communities in some bumfuck village in such a ridiculously large and inhospitable landscape. Dostoyevsky even wrote about it at the time where the discussion were bleeding into every institution of Russia. It goes even further for "Westernized" elites who don't even really see the realities of the average Russian anymore but fully operate on ideology/philosophy alone that can be just institutionally reformed from the top-down, by hook or by crook.

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>>740034682
>What stupid fucking eceleb did you get this shit from?
George Lucas himself.

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>>740031341
I wouldn't say morality is subjective, morality is pretty much defined by the (ideal) Christian code of conduct (truth, respect, peace, honour, the whole list of constructive character traits that improve living for everyone involved in a social group). It is just conflated with one's idea of what is the best for the herd (or, as we like to call it, society) and your definition of the scope of said herd. Genociding neighbouring tribe is never a moral thing to do, crippling their force if attacked to defend the ones that can't do it themselves is, but never retribution. We judge someone's morals by universal checklist called morality, in short.

>>740034512
>It was 109 countries, not just 1
I don't follow, I know germany was broken up into smaller principalities and duchies and so on back then but it wasn't just the rhine region that was antisemitic, there were pogroms in Spain too.

>>740033346
Avellone made his position known.

>>740034740
He has been flip flopping on this for years you shit eating trog, he has given at least five fucking different things on what the rebels are supposed to be.

>>740011001
Then why does the NCR exist?

>>740034228
The whites you refer are the Japhites, the Hamites and the Semites. Literally the sons of Noah: Japheth, Shem, and Ham.

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>>740034491
And nuclear batteries, cores and materials are a finite or hard to procure resource as well thanks to the Great War, so you still need to ration them for what you can reliably make instead of for some 200 year old junker. and if you can transport all you need by air, then why bother wasting it on ground vehicles that, at the very least, still need oil when it could be used on things that you already have in stock?

>>740034746
Meanwhile, globalization is revealing that the majority of the Indian subcontinent believes in "izzat", which is antithetical to everything you posted.

>>740034747
The point was that Europeans kept forgiving Jews, then they would get fucked over by Jews, and kick them out again. If you were correct, then the Europeans would've learned their lesson once instead of constantly offering them sanctuary and amnesty. Meanwhile, if Jewish history is to be believed, Jews were immediately conquered by Mediterranean empires like Babylon, Egypt, and Rome the moment they were discovered.

Here's a funny for some levity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oomJG8uVLMs

>>740034828
Examples?

>>740016719
Speedrunning all the problems of a democracy, with none of the benefits. If there are any.

Nintendo is my favorite company

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>>740035025
India just isn't moral, then. It's that easy.

>>740034984
>procure resource as well thanks to the Great War
Which makes it even more retarded that they would destroy a mint condition pre-war car. Even if they wouldn’t use the car itself they could still use the engine as a power source.
>very least, still need oil
They would use as much oil as a Vertibird would. And they can do more shit with them since it can carry more, is easier to repair, and the cars themselves are easier to produce.

>>740034984
they're a lot less finite than you think, otherwise they would be holding off on energy weapons and keeping their air ships hovering around just to hold a meeting

>>740035026
The allies? Or did the whole fighting stormtrooper thing go over your head?

>>740035161
That's your subjective opinion, then. It's that easy.

I want to reiterate that I want you to be a moral person as you've described it because those are the morals I also ascribe to. I realize that my mistake was posting

>recognizing subjectivity =! condoning subjectivity

instead of
>recognizing subjectivity =! condoning a subjective opinion

>>740035268
So they were leftists, then?

>>740035383
So you know you’re wrong and have to deflect. Get bent nigger.

>>740035383
what?

>>740035431
>>740035481
Relative to the Axis, the Allies were leftists. George Lucas is a shitlib who thinks Nixon was a nazi.

>>740035531
gee i wonder why george lucas would have a negative opinion of mr. wiretap

>>740033687
>my entire farm was seized by Brahman Barron's, my whole family has become financially destitute, my wife & kids were murdered by tribals after, and when the government showed up a week later they sent me to prison to be used as slave-labor for evading taxes I had no means of paying

>>740035531
I'd imagine the kind of liberal democracy the Allies were fighting for was wildly different to the shit we have to deal with today.

>>740035531
Gotta love it when nigger can’t accept they’re wrong and just start using the most deranged copes

>>740035570
He was of the opinion before Watergate.
>>740035626
The liberal democracy they were fighting for (except for the Soviets) is what lead to what we have today.

>>740035702
>he was right before watergate so uhhhhhh his opinion was founded on nothing
lol
sit at the back of the bus anon

>>740035025
>Europeans kept forgiving Jews
I wouldn't say thy were forgiving, it was usually feudal lords bringing in Jews becaus they were educated and could be used to keep track of shit happening in their lands. And dumb people being in general distrustful towards more knowledgable plus foul plays by Jews exploiting their basic education to cheat illiterate peasants (also done by the Church and nobility, in a different way, but still) led to the pogroms and banishments. The world is a fuck and everyone's an asshole, unfortunately, and it was even worse when people didn't even have their physiological needs satisfied.

>>740035702
Probably what happens when all your nobility end up killing themselves in the previous war, leaving behind a bunch of spineless bean counters and middle managers to take over the levers of power in government.

>>740033324
Just because you embarrassed yourself doesn’t mean you get to start talking to yourself you pathetic schizophrenic faggot.

>>740035864
Well Jews have a built in racial superiority angle in their religion, and routinely exploited not just the peasants but also the very same nobles and rulers who brought them in. So it's a constant cycle of be given leeway to do your jewery for the king, attempt to undermine the king with usury and other jew bullshit, get kicked out, be invited to new area, do it all over again and the cycle repeats. Really we should be blaming the Romans for this, they were the first group to get tired of the Jews and their bullshit and kicked them out of Judea and started the Jewish diaspora.

>>740035920
The good guys lost WW2, everyone knows that.

>>740036157
>the good guys were violently retarded and led by a guy who injected meth between his toes and cow semen into his fingers

>>740036234
That's what people in small hats and big round hats say he did, anyway.

>>740036234
... and the Jews LOST 6 million to that guy?? Are they retarded???

>>740035360
I seriously think that the ideal code of conduct for given society and concept of morality is two different things, it just gets conflated BECAUSE what is morality as defined by European, Christian culture is such an ideal code of conduct in it. We are just arguing about semantics, I treat morality as a concept with rigid rules, not umbrella term for "this is considred good where I live".

>>740036145
True, and, to be honest, Christians forgot The Good Samaritan story themselves, but very rarely religious organizations follow their own tenets without mental gymnastics to somehow excuse breaking them all the time. At least writing in your scriptures "heathens are animals" is honest. I trust right wing more than left wing because when asked "what do you think about gypsies" leftoids will lie that they like them, and, really, nobody likes them. Maybe we should remind people that originally they were jeet mercenaries, might fix problem with India.

>>740037036
we really need to bring back the knights templar because one of their initiation rituals had them step over a cross and denounce jesus because they didnt want to deal with that shit when saving europe from filthy fucking heathens

>>740037223
Reading some hinduist myth collection really opened my eyes when it comes to India, it's a society that venerates senseless suffering - for Christianity, suffering has a goal, good suffering is when it's meant to alleviate somebody else's pain or to detach yourself from your mortal shell and get closer to the Lord (it is stupid in a way, but, makes sense, drop your human vices to be more like a being that doesn't have those, alright) - in hinduism suffering is done so Vishnu or whichever one of those major gods would give you superpowers overshadowing the pantheon of the current kalpa. Hang yourself by the balls with half of your head in volcano with splinters driven every day under your nails for few millennia and you can kick Indra's ass, one of the asuras did some elaborate suffering for 1000 years just to do that.

>>740038243
most eastern religions have bullshit like that
fuckin taoism has this
their jade emperor went through 1800 trials
each trial lasted 130,000 years
then he became immortal
then after another 100 million years he became super powerful and could kung fu demons and shit
and the entire crux of tao is that you need to cultivate your power by undergoing hundreds of thousands of years of trials so you can do better kung fu

damn i know you dont know me but i just gotta say i really hate the orient

>>740038484
Well, they are really old civilizations that changed little before colonists came and gave them tech, of course they would venerate some barbaric shit that helps nobody. We needed to wreck whole continent TWICE to grow the fuck up. God, if you listen, make chinks and jeets start lobbing rockets at each other, maybe that scale of senseless death and suffering will fix that part of the world.