Halo is like the first Shrek movie in that in a vacuum, it's well-crafted and grrat. It's the overall impact it had on the industry combined with the horde of imitators that came itd wake which people resent about it.
>>740028320>it's well-crafted and grratWeapon limit and regenerating shield were never good
its shit retarded underage
>>740028375both of those things are perfectly fine
>>740028454Maybe for singleplayer fps tourists
>>740028320what imitators?
It's a very slow-paced shooter. An instant sign it was designed for consoles at a time when most casual console players weren't used to the genre.
goldeneye babies seethed so much about this one.
>>740028496is some kind of yuro cope? do you also spurn AC and not know what a garbage disposal is?
>>740028621What type of schizophrenia is this
>>740028375>2 Weapon limit>regenerating shielddon't forget>auto aim>slow motion movement>floaty jumps>shit ai>no bots in multiplayer>campaign copy pastes areasat least the flood was a cool switch up later
>>740028680it's pretty much a given that if you're an american you like halo, it's just the slavic csgotrannies who get all uppity
>>740028684why would you need bots in multiplayer?
>>740028727It's pretty much guaranteed you're off your meds
>>740028837i notice you're not saying anything about the continent on which you reside
>>740028684>>shit aidon’t be rash
>>740028787halo 1 didn't have netplay on xbox
>>740028902how is that relevant?
>>740028684The blocky round designs were lame as well. Reminiscent of a bouncy castle to appeal to its target audience.
>>740028885Enforcing schizophrenic delusions is not healthy it leads to transitioning, which I hope hasn't happened to you yet
>>740028320It is amazing how much seethe this game generates to this day because bungie dared to make something that didn't play exactly like quake
>>740029137it's literally just yuropoors seething that they couldn't afford a new console and always has been, it has nothing to do with the actual design of the game
>>740028320Perfect Dark mogs this shit game by every metric
>>740028941>no bots>no online multiplayer>Lan-only in 2001kids fell for the xbox marketing and paid reviews.looking back really halo shouldn't have taken off.
>>740029137>didn't play exactly like quakewut? have you ever heard of half-life you actual underage?
>>740029192wait, are you saying there was ever a time you had less than four people who wanted to play? how is that possible?
>>740029243gamecube was the multiplayer console my dudeonly normies who never touched a fps were playing haloits like the botw of open world games
>>740029192>looking back really halo shouldn't have taken off.It took off for the exact same reason everybody deepthroats Goldeneye for the N64 despite Doom and Quake having been out before it.
>>740029181xbox and ps2 literally cost the exact same. Only a retard or a demented grandma would have gone with the shitbox. I feel bad for anyone who had one.
>>740029408you could just buy both tho
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>>740029219I have more hours in HL1 and Sven Coop than I'd care to count, what's your point? The minute to minute gameplay of HL1 is just quake with different enemy types and the occasional 30 seconds where you have to wait for a scientist to open a door for you
>>740029373why would the multiplayer console be the one that only niche enthusiasts played? obviously the normalfag console is the multiplayer one, it's the console the vast majority of people owned by definition
>>740028496Name 1 modern multiplayer fps that doesn't have 2 weapons and regen
>>740029590people didn't dislike halo because it wasn't like quake you underage little retard, they disliked it because it was shit and not unsurprisingly it ushered in the era of linear fps campaigns which i'm sure consolekids loved
>>740029687i can smell the meat-filled dumpling on your breath
>>740028684>>shit aiAre you forgetting that doom enemies are just 2d sprited that stand still?
>>740029740concession accepted lil man
>>740029687>it ushered in a new ageSo the vast majority of people liked it. Quake faggoty died out because it was pure garbage and nobody was doing anything better than halo except battlefield in some aspects.
>>740029687>linear fps campaignsOpen world and puzzle fps campaign have literally never been a thing before halo, kill yourself retard
>>740029687Everytime I hear FPS oldfags talk about why halo sux it's filled with lists of features like >>740028684, and then the follow up is that older fps titles didn't have these features and did the opposite, the most poignant example being quake. I never see any actual criticism thrown around to say why those features are bad, and only that anon's last two points are actual valid criticism. Nearly every time it amounts to "the game doesn't suit my interests specifically"
>>740028320Shrek and Halo were the pioneers of DVD
>>740028684>shit aiAsk me how I know you’ve never played Halo
>>740030075unreal had a campaign, with online co-op even.multiplayer bots and arena netplay with game types and mutators.halo did nothing new, it even lacked basic features that pc players and even n64 gamers were accustomed to. >>740029186
>>740030075Because 90% of them never played it. I was around back then, and unless you literally only cared about ADHD hyper multiplayer ala quake/unreal tournament, Halo was doing everything better.
>>740030075its asshurt middle-skilled faggots who are upset that the playerbase for [insert fps game here] died because halo took all the attention by being fun, they just want noobs to shit on because they havent spent 300 hours memorizing projectile speed and trajectoriesthis isn't even unique to halo, it happens in almost any multiplayer game that live long enough, it did actually happen to halo (ironically given its a console fps so skill is basically non-existant) when it began to die out in favor of other shooters
>>740030305oh look, here's one now!>>740030278no one cares about unreal nigger, go back to your 10 person lobby
>>740028320>halo is le badThen why is it so much fun hmmm?
>>740030278halo was fun, so i guess i don't care about all the other possible virtues it could have had
If you didn't play Halo back in the day you missed out on so much fun omg I wish I could go back for just 1 day
>>740030075I think they're just bored and bitter that their preferred IP wasn't as successful>>740030278championship 1 and 2 had bots but not unreal 2's xmp which was a shame cause imo I preferred it. the bots in the championship games were pretty good too. i don't hate halo but i am a little butthurt that unreal never took off the way halo did since I always thought it was way better about custom game mode settings and maps. it wasn't until h3 for me when I started playing halo more, because they added forge and unreal had just fucking died as an IP for console.
xbox original is the only way to experience halo. the pc port and other versions destroyed the ai and feel
>>740030237I beat 1/2/3 on all difficulties, they were desperate times you played what you had. You can snipe enemies in the head until they die without aggroing, you can clear entire rooms without pulling. Enemies will chase you around obstacles like retards and get meleed in the face over and over again. It's atrocious AI. That's clearly the reason for infinite respawns, they knew how shit it was.
>>740030754i legit have never played the campaign and cannot imagine caring about it
>>740030695>I think they're just bored and bitter that their preferred IP wasn't as successfulDoom is the most successful fps IP of all time, but beyond that it actually gets new content all the time thanks to mods
>>740030792It was good. It's worth at least one playthrough even if it ends up not being your thing. It's not a long game anyways.
>>740029137This.And despite normalizing things like weapon limits and regenerative health, there has been nothing quite like Halo since.
>>740028320Nice thread, did you steal it from Xitter?
>>740030789I just played 1, 2, 3 and ODST (finished ODST yesterday) and you are absolutely making that up.Halo has its flaws but pick actual flaws, not one of the things it does best
>>740030792all the cool shit about halo was about how realistic the ai was at the time. to go from static enemies in perfect dark n64 to halo is like night n day.
>>740030075Posting it
>>740031340>to go from static enemies in perfect dark n64 to halo is like night n day.sounds like you only played shit games
>>740028886I threw a plasma grenade at an Elite and it landed in front of him. He just stared at it until it blew up in his face. Shit AI indeed.
>>740031409The original 2001 release of Halo: Combat Evolved is highly regarded for its revolutionary enemy and friendly AI. It changed the first-person shooter genre by making opponents feel smart, tactical, and capable of working as a team.Key features that made the AI legendary:The "Combat Loop": Enemy types, such as Elites, Grunts, and Jackals, were programmed to work together. Elites served as squad leaders, taking cover to recharge their shields, throwing grenades, and flanking the player.Morale Systems: Grunts would panic and flee if their Elite commander was killed.Friendly AI: Allied UNSC Marines and Spartans operate autonomously, driving vehicles (like the Warthog), firing mounted turrets, and actively searching for cover alongside the player.
>>740028320>n a vacuum, it's well-crafted and grrat.not really, no. The core shooting mechanics aren't very good, the level design is painful at parts, and regening shields/health were always a bad idea
>>740031447thank you chatGP but is still wrong
>>740031409Nigga in Halo 1 & Halo 2 there's actual war shit going on. Like a bunch of npcs fighting together. The beach storm scene in Halo is iconic on Xbox and its been raped in remasters.
>>740031447just post this shit as a screenshot so i can immediately gloss over it instead of getting a full sentence in
>>740030695>I think they're just bored and bitter that their preferred IP wasn't as successfulAt least their preferred IP didn't get raped into oblivion to the point where no one gives a shit about it anymore. Except Wolfenstein.
>>740031447>It changed the first-person shooter genreyou are mentally ill shooters on pc did years ago what halo retards like your pretend halo invented
>>740031509so the same shit half life did years before
>>740031589you are talking to a person posting replies from a robot, a shadow of a shadow painted on the wall
>>740031447>The "Combat Loop"Even slopGPT knows. The "combat loop" is you ambushing a room full of enemies with the dumbest AI you've ever seen.
I have never seen Shrek and have no desire to watch it
>>740031447>enemies carrying different weapons behave differentlyThis was never mind-blowing. It has existed since video games were played with pen and paper.
>>740028684>2 Weapon limit>regenerating shieldExplain how this is bad.>auto aimYou faggots always love to exaggerate aim assist, most of the time is fuckin useless and fucks you over more than it helps you.>slow motion movement>floaty jumpsSo? Again, explain how this is bad. >Shit AIThat is simply not true. I would say it has even better AI than Halo 4 and 5. >no bots in multiplayer>campaign copy pastes areasThese are true. Not even a Halo fan, played them and I liked them but I was never the biggest fan of it, I have fond memories of it because of split screen with my brother and cousin fuckin around in multiplayer and forge, but that's about itYou fags always complain and never provide any actual reason on why it sucks.
>>740028320>grratHello saar, the Western culture is bad and benchod
>>740029137Most Europeans couldn't afford it, and are upset they missed out on a golden age of gaming with early console multiplayer.
>>740031429ok and 99 other times out of a 100 he dives out of the way. I dont even like halo ce but the ai is fine by fps standards
Remember this Shrek wannabe from 2005?
>>740028320>(blank) is like the first Shrek movieYou already lost me. Please see yourself back to plebbit.
>>740030075auto-aimcontroller
>still seething two decades laterlmao stay malding over a dead franchise straight to the retirement home unc
This is how the Shrek 1 co-director looks nowadays
>>740034797
>>740034251>2 Weapon limitwhile this makes sense for balancing multiplayer, 2 weapons only makes each solo playthrough the same. no sniper only runs. no conserving your rocket ammo. you just use what you have in the area and move on.>regenerating shieldrather than rewarding the player for exploring you instead just walk behind a rock to heal for free. this makes the game just combat zone after combat zone where you're retarded for being a coward.>slow motion movement>floaty jumpsits like playing a fps with training wheels
>>740034525>every cg animated movie is shrek nowNah that would be something that feels a little cheaper like Hoodwinked, this was a pretty big budget endeavor I remember seeing in theaters.
>>740028320Halo is like Shrek because halo is green too
>>740029137And quake was dead by the time halo came out. Nothing played or was fast like Quake but it's Halo's responsibility to be a quake clone for some reason while Counter Strike, No One LIves Forever, Medal of Honor, Soldier of Fortune, Serious Sam, Red Faction...; literally every other shooter not Quake is allowed to not be Quake without triggering people.
>>740034901>where you're retarded for being a coward.*rewarded* lolhalo is a good game but its for kids and those new to fpsesi wish more fpses had the same patriotic theme without catering to 1 country like halodo you guys remember that Independence Day movie?
Shrek wasn't the first time that DreamWorks made a witty and subversive CGI comedy aimed at older audiences
amazing campaign and multiplayerof course m+kb elitists said it was le bad because they are so closeminded and think first person is all about twitch clicking
>>740031825What about enemies carrying the same weapon behaving differently?
>>740035075All fps games are for kids. It's hilarious you people single out Halo when the whole genre appeals to children and is the most low iq genre there is.
>>740035090no, it was just the first time they did it well
>>740029137>slow as fuck>weapon limityea they dared to make a shit game
>>740028320I really liked bungie's Halo. The gameplay was fun but the lore, the soundtrack, the aesthetics, the way they told the story, it all just made it work so well. All their halo games were great. All of them a masterpiece. I don't like anything after reach. 343i's stuff was just garbage
>>740035232Say that about FEAR. You wont. Do it. You're a fucking pussy.
>>740034994If you would rather play Halo 2 than UT2004 you are a baby, or you don't even know about Unreal Tournament. It's not a defensible position 22 years later.
>>740035348I would much rather play Halo 2
>>740035075>do you guys remember that Independence Day movie?Why are you asking this like it’s some niche indie film, is this the same zoomer mentality that makes people post extremely popular PS2 games in those “games only you played” threads?
>>740035146Gimmick. People aren't asking for a reinvention of the wheel, just the bare minimum that would come pre-packaged with a modern engine and Halo didn't deliver that. Like enemies that move or attack when you find a way to shoot at them in a corner of their hitbox from outside of their line of sight.
>>740035179not while match-3 games exist>>740035284you can't. because fear is fuckin awesome.
>>740035189Antz is a good movie, even if kids won't understand much of it
Were you not a kid when you played your favorite fps? Is this literally not the definition of being for kids? This is every fps ever made.
>>740035284it's just point and clickit's boringI tried playing these overrated single player shooters but they are boringcounter strike invalidates that entire genre because it already does it better than they ever will and againts humans not dumb bots
>>740035616it absolutely is not lmao
>>740028684>>auto aimit's okay when doom does it
>>740035602what are you talking about
>>740035614>my slow weapon limit shooter is le good cause muh pceverytime. These people do not have values or principles.
Glad that DreamWorks never made sequels of this work of art
>I LIKE BIG BUTTS AND I CANNOT LIE>YOU OTHER BROTHERS CAN'T DENY>THAT WHEN A GIRL WALKS IN WITH AN ITTY BITTY WAIST>AND A ROUND THING IN YOUR FACE>YOU GET
>>740028320shrek is better than halonot the xbox shrek game though, that one's awful
>2001: Shrek/Halo Combat Evolved>2004: Shrek 2/Halo 2>2007: Shrek the Third/Halo 3What a coincidence
Reminder that, during the gap between the first 2 movies, they created a 4-D short for Universal theme parks in which the ghost of Farquaad kidnaps Fiona and tries to kill her using a waterfall so that she becomes his spirit queen and then he becomes king of the underworld. At the end, the ghost is destroyed when the dragon burns it with fire
>>740028320>It's the overall impact it had on the industry combined with the horde of imitators that came itd wake which people resent about it.such as? I've never heard of a halo imitation
Shrek the Halls (2007)
>>740036427Its a shame Shrek fell off quicker than Halo and couldnt deliver for the 3rd meet up.Was Forever After released before or after Reach? And just like the next Halo, Shrek 5 is stuck in production hell
Shrek 2 is funny at times and has a lot of personality, but that doesn't mean it's perfect
>>740030075i played it, it contain everything i hate about current day FPS.for HALO setting, yeah sure, shields for armor, it regnerate okauto aim and all other assists that went with it because it was made for console ? bleh fuck off.now the problem is how all other FPS after that used it as a template, even fucking CoD.CoD used to take MOH as a template and then made it on multiple front and with a bigger story with allied units on screen, then they just decided to go full retard with regen health, aim assist, and all other shit that went with it.Halo was a disaster for FPS, that a fact and the Halo will refuse to take it.
>>7400283752 weapon limit is ludohealth packs are shit and no regen at all promotes cowardly unfun play>>740028684auto aim is necessary without gyroslow movement and floaty jumps are perfectly fine, fast isn't automatically good
>two swans turn into ballerinas>two hazmat workers turn into Lumiere and Cogsworth>everybody else turns into dovesDoesn't make much sensehttps://youtu.be/kAJ8YqhcTvc?feature=shared
halo 1's campaign gets worse the more you play it in a way that doesn't really happen with halo 3 for examplethe flood levels are miserable
>>740040489> no regen at all promotes cowardly unfun playregen = coverslop = the definition of cowardly, unfun gameplay
>>740040714now explain what happens when you take damage and can't do anything to recover it
>>740031447I'm still learning little things about the AI in Halo. I guess every weapon has a "scariness" attribute which will change how defensive the enemies act. If you pull out something like an energy sword, grunts will likely react to it and start running away scared, I thought they only did that when their elite or brute commander dies
>>740034901>where you're retarded for being a coward.Your forget that CE has health in addition to shield which gives you periods of gameplay where you have to play extra carefully and prioritize targets that might try and wipe out your shields like charged shots or enemies.i WILL admit though that CE does reward you for playing like a coward but that comes down to the enemy AI becoming less aggressive when your shield goes down, were that modded out the gameplay would be a lot better imo. >>740040262>Halo was a disaster for FPS, that a fact and the Halo will refuse to take it.I don't get this point, isn't it more COD's fault for stealing ideas that worked in one game and shoehorning it into theirs? Or the hundreds of other devs/publisher teams in the 7th gen who all wanted a slice of the cod pie?I don't get this criticism, it feels juvenile, I'm half inclined to think that the only reason people accept it is because the FPS genre is so young that there was no other point of comparison previously and once one set of design became trendy, it shifted the whole genre for a while
>>740037773There were a lot of "halo-killers" but most of them were just COD clones with a sci fi theme.
>>740040795you have to do something about it, something smarter than crouching behind a rock for 30 seconds
>>740041868>take damage>have no way to regen aside from reloading the checkpoint>"i will expose myself to greater risk"dishonest argument
>>740028886Literally dismantles this nigger's entire argument. From that alone we know he's trolling.
>>740028684>>740040489I'm tired of fags like you dissing the two weapon limit. Its not even a new invention in gaming at all. You can go way back to the Contra games that had it and I am sure something even before that had a two weapon limit. You idiots just whine about it being included in an FPS game. Perhaps you would have preferred it if there was no need to reload the weapons or maybe if they had infinite ammo? Or would that be seen as even heavier casualization? And regenerating shields was to offset the slower movement speed. The Halo games provided something different than the standard arena slop. Nobody plays arena shit no more. But you still see people talk about, play, and even bitch about the old Halo games. Nobody gives two fucks about Quake or Unreal anymore.
>>740045927but halo WAS arena slopthey just couldn't be assed to add bots to multiplayer because the poor ai
>>740036225Same
>>740041334Every Halo rewards you for playing passively, but CE is the only one that lets you be truly aggressive.
this is /v/s favorite fps btw
>>740028320I hate not hating this game, because you either hate halo, or you take the halo pill that the entire industry drastically misunderstood the game and ruined gaming as a whole by copying the bad parts, while pretending the good ones don't exist.
>>740047779how the fuck does copying Halo lead to boring ass milsim games with 0 scifi elements?Halo has nothing to do with garbage like COD
>>740046154just have friends or ethernet tunneling software on PC
>>740047779>type of guy who thinks HL2 having facial animations is what caused two decades of AAA escort mission walk-and-talk cutscene slop
>>740028684you know it's funny that chief isn't actually moving slowly, he just has a non manlet viewpointif you took doomguy and made it so that his eyes weren't in his belly button he'd look way slower too
>>740047994Nah, more like the game was an RTS that they slapped in an FPS control on the last second, which made a game that actually reacts with your actions, it was a great idea that you could copy and improve to create truly interactive games.But this "improvisation" required the two weapon and shield systems to work, and the whole indutry copied this instead and made it even worse.
>>740028320This but Goldeneye
>>740048775>the game was an RTS that they slapped in an FPS control on the last second, which made a game that actually reacts with your actions>But this "improvisation" required the two weapon and shield systems to workthat doesn't follow at allyou're very stupid
Cry about it fag, PlayStation will never have any game as good as Halo.
