>"Customers have enormous choice" about where they purchase their games, Newell testified, including "whether they buy the game on an Xbox, whether they buy it on Steam, whether they buy it on Epic Games Store or whether they buy it directly from software developers."Why arent you buying games off Xbox or Epic games store? Gabe said you should be buying games outside of steam
>>740040974Because Steam is good and reliable. Why would I go anywhere else?
>Piracy is a service problem.
>>740040974
>Gamers have 'enormous choice'>literally nowhere to buy pc games except for steamwhat did gape newell mean by this
>>740040974i think i have bought games on every major platform but epic
He's right. Alternatives like GOG are easily accessible. Steam is a market leader, not a monopoly. Monopoly does not mean "large business I do not like".
>>740041225cry to publishers then
Why does this debate exist. It's so obviously false
>>740041225no one is stopping you from selling your game on itch.io, gog, epic, or just on your own website like minecraft. people CHOOSE to sell on steam because it's the best
>>740040974because they suck ass to use and I don't want to install their shitty datamining launchersI uninstalled epic games store two times and still found it launching processes on startup
To people who claim Steam is a monopoly: please define "monopoly". Be specific.
>>740041392A private company owned by a billionaire. Death to capitalism
>>740040974Does he only do interviews from his mega yachts?
>>740041502That's where he lives now
>>740041225>>literally nowhere to buy pc games except for steamObjectively untrue. Fanatical, GreenManGaming, and tons more reputable sites offer brand new games cheaper. The only time I buy a brand new game from Steam is if it's literally not on any other site, which is rare. These sites also CONSTANTLY have sales that, typically beating or matching Steam. Of my 1200+ games, I bet more than half of them come from 3rd party sites.
>>740041543Why? To rape little girls on international waters?
>>740040974Le gabens was the best thing to happen to pc gaming. Hes just so frickin based. Does le nothing, le wins. Gaming is now a casino for brown children and thats a good thing.
>>740040974Games have always had minor monopolies called exclusive games.Sure, you can choose not to play Zelda, but if you want to play Zelda you have to go through Nintendo. So they can really gouge people who love Zelda.It's like if only one company could sell hamburgers and when accused of having a monopoly they say, "No, you can eat hotdogs somewhere else."I don't know what we should do about all this, if anything, but I know I'm sick of Nintendo's bullshit, and Steam is definitely leveraging its market dominance to gouge devs.
>>740041493So it means nothing. That means you should be ignored.
>>740040974>Gabe said you should be buying games outside of steamNo, he didn't. It literally says what he said in the picture you just posted. Like what the fuck? Read, you dipshit.
>>740040974Ive used most stores, Steam is just the best. Hell I used to buy indie games on desura
>>740040974>Gabe said you should beNo he didn't.
>>740041707>gouge devsEvery single storefront takes a cut of purchases or storefronts wouldn't even exist and every dev would just sell directly
>>740041225>>literally nowhere to buy pc games except for steamhttps://www.gog.comhttps://store.epicgames.comhttps://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-on-pchttps://itch.io/
>>740041331Standalone complex. There are multiple actors at play>Easy (You)s for ragebaiters>Genuine shills>Contrarians that only care about opposing the popular thing>Public company stock holdersAll have their own reasons for pushing Valve as the bad guy.
>>740041331Because people want to argue and console war with their bored lives
>>740041592>Fanatical, GreenManGamingSell Steam keys.
>>740041883wtf i love niggers now?
>>740041774Sure, but 30% seems pretty extortionate. This isn't Steam keeping the lights on. It's Gaben needing more megayachts.And they don't allow devs to sell their games cheaper on other storefronts which is scummy as fuck.
>>740040974>spend 100% of your time on a yacht>no tanLil bit odd but I'm glad he's looking so much healthier. Good for you gayben
>>740041969why is 30% extorionate?
>>740040974>said you shouldNo he didn't. Are you illiterate?
>>740040974If the other stores were half as good i would use em too.I with GoG had the whole "send money to friends" shit going on with steam.
>>74004196930% is the same other systems charge including Origin and GOG.Epic Games is an exception and look how that's working out for them
>>740040974Gaben won.
>>740041392they are playing an unending monopoly game and owned 90% of property sets with all hotels placed on them.
>>740041909Fanatical also sells GOG key bundles occasionally.I'm only mentioning this because I think GOG users might want to know about it. It's not really a counter-argument to your post because 99% of their bundles are still Steam keys.
>>740040974>Why arent you buying games off Xbox or Epic games store?Cause I hate jeets (MS) and I hate Timmytencent (EGS)
>>740041493Why did you even specify "private"? Do you even know what the difference between a private and public company is and that monopolies can be either? Of course not, because you're a retarded leftist who thinks anything privately owned is bad and companies should be publicly traded (beholden to shareholders) or nationalized (i.e. a state owned monopoly).
>>740041230GoG used to be more accessible, I could just download a wizard from their site just a year ago, now I have to download GoG Galaxy and it has to download and install the game by itself. Man the wizard used to have the same animation as the old games had now it's soulless GoG Galaxy and it's also way less portable, I just stored the wizards on an external drive and could just transfer them onto any of my PCs, GoG used to be more convenient than Steam, now the only upsides is that it's slightly cheaper games.
>>740041205add some jeets at the bottom
>>740042206Yeah the installers suck so fucking bad now I just grab em off goghyphengamesdotto
>>740042061Other storefronts have no reason to charge less than Steam if games can't be sold cheaper on them.Like if I had a game I wanted to sell on Steam and GOG, but GOG only charged a 20% cut then I could sell for cheaper on GOG. But Steam forbids me from doing that because they don't want anyone undercutting their prices. And since the bulk of my sales are going to come from Steam I can't do anything. GOG knows this too, so they have no incentive to offer a smaller cut.
>>740042061>Epic Games is an exception and look how that's working out for themCuz Timmy Swiney uses his lower cut as a gaslight to make himself seem like the good guy, whilst shouting out anyone who points out his blatant monopolistic plays such as paying devs fat wads of cash for Epic exclusivity. You know, the very definition of monopoly, you can only get a game from his platform so you have no choice.>>740042185The difference is that Valve doesn't have the obligation to bring profit to shareholders, so they can do things their way and take risks. All the competition of Valve are publicly traded companies that continuously deliver a worse product as they're purely focused on serving their shareholders. That results in Valve having a "de facto monopoly" because every other competitor is shit to the point where they have to force you to use their launcher through Steam to play their games as that's the only way they can show their shareholders that people are using their "competitor to Steam" on quarterly earnings slideshows. Then useful idiots like (You) will say that Valve is a monopoly and you'll get nothing but getting shafted by the corpos you so staunchly defend. Valve "shafts" you by offering you a service that brings value to the customer and that's been their business model for years.
>>740041493You do realize he became a billionaire BECAUSE of the platform being incredibly successful instead of the other way around, right?If you bought a single game on Steam you actually helped him improve the storefront and becoming a billionaire in the process, right?
>>740042281>GOG has no obligation and it's steam faultOkay Timmy whatever you say. Hey, is EGS gonna turn a profit this year?
>>740042185>retarded leftist who thinks anything privately owned is bad and companies should be [...] nationalized (i.e. a state owned monopoly)You do realise state ownership of xapital isn't an exclusively leftist concept? Nazi Germany practiced state capitalism. Free market capitalism is an exclusively jewish invention.
>>740040974All competitors are actually too stupid to simply copy what steam does, plain and simple. Look at how shit EGS was when it launched. It didn't even have a fucking shopping cart. The fucking standard feature every basic bitch online store had for years at that point.
>>740042281>But Steam forbids me from doing that because they don't want anyone undercutting their pricesno it doesn't, steam doesn't want you taking generated steam keys and then selling them off site for less to cut them out
>>740040974>unwritten rulethat literally was written in their terms at some point
>>740042359it's just envy man, there's no arguing with them
I want to buy a game from Fantia.
>>740041225epic game storegogdiscordevery hardware manufacturer's own game store client they have for some reasondirectly from the publishers (origin etc)why just make easily debunked statementsand that's just the ones i know off the top of my head and i barely keep tabs on that stuff
I still dont understand what these people wantOkay so Valve is a monopolyWhat next?What exactly do they expect Valve to do?
>>740041997Because he’s a retard who underestimates both the benefits Steam offers over everyone else as well as the costs of running a storefront
>>740041389>because they suck ass to use and I don't want to install their shitty datamining launchersnot steam's fault
>>740041707>It's like if only one company could sell hamburgers and when accused of having a monopoly they say, "No, you can eat hotdogs somewhere else."No. It's not. And that isn't even a monopoly. Your being mad that only McDonalds sell McDonalds burgers. Like yeah, no shit. If you want the single hyper specific thing a company makes then yes you have to go buy it from them. That's not a monopoly. It's just.. the market.
>>740042430drop the price fixing for starters>>740042281something that is literally illegal in just about any other industry.
>>740041493You do know there are communist states in the world today? Like Cuba or Venezuela that you could move to right now and live in your capitalism-free utopia? No corporations, everything is state owned, you get free housing, welfare, as long as you wor-Oh yeah. That's why. Only in capitalism do you get free government gibs without having to work so you can act like a revolutionary online. Huh.
>>740040974>enormous choiceThere are a ton of games that I either have to pirate or buy through Steam. I have no choice where to buy them.
>>740042430You can use that to start an antitrust lawsuit which would force some kind of breakup of valve from steam or splitting Steam into multiple separate things so as to keep it less monilithic
>>740042516>drop the price fixing for startersIVE BOUGHT MULTIPLE FUCKING GAMES ON KEY SITES THAT WERE ALL CHEAPER THAN STEAMFOR YEARS NOW
>>740042516No favored nation is not the same as price fixing
>>740042554But how does that benefit the consumer?Dont anti trust suits exist to encourage fair competition so that the consumers are treated well?
>>740041331(((They))) want to control Steam and push their narratives and control steam chat
>>740042554that is not actually what happens with antitrust suits anymore, they're instead used to extract fines and enforce extra regulation for "fairness" reasons
>>740042281>But Steam forbids me from doing thatNo, it does not. You are just flat out wrong. No ifs, ands, buts, or technicallys. You are just wrong.
>>740042279Actually I just checked again because I was mad and there is a wizard download, it's just more hidden now or maybe they just added it back, I don't know how I missed it last time. I think it used to be "Download With GoG Galaxy" then "OR Download offline installer". If I buy games from GoG it's because cheevos are beneath me, GoG Galaxy can just never run at all.
>>740041493>obvious joke post>four tardos already replied
>>740042468that's my pointthere's no reason to go after steam when everyone else is fucking upyou have options and they are almost all awful
>>740041205Steam ain't competing with Nintendo or PlayStation though.
>>740041707>and Steam is definitely leveraging its market dominance to gouge devs.Have you ever sold anything? Imagine you make a product ( a drink, a shirt, whatever) and want to sell. You could do this on your own, but it would have a limited reach, but you get 100% of the price you ask.Other way is to go to a store and let your product sit there so it can be exposed to more people. Unlike jannies, they can't do it for free, since they have to pay their employees, the rent etc, so the only way to keep that is having a % of your profit.Usually being more exposed will led to more sales and that 30% will pay itself and potentially more, if the product is good enough.That's essentially what steam does. The kicker is that they are not the only store, it's just the biggest one.
>>740042430>What exactly do they expect Valve to do?Ultimately? Die so there are no more user reviews effecting sales. The monopoly accusation is all smoke and mirrors. It's all about less control for you. When they start getting ACTUALLY good at using AI to pump out slop quickly and at a low cost, there will be nothing to get in their way. All it has to do is look and play as good as anything like Hollow Knight. Pump out 10 of those every few months. This is the future of gaming.
>>740042524>Only in capitalism do you get free government gibs without having to work.Most government safety nets in America are means tested. You either have to be working, seeking work, or have some disability or something that qualifies you for aid. It's why the system is so inefficient. There's a mountain of overhead to verify all this shit instead of just giving them the money. That's the main argument for UBI, because it cuts out all the administration and bureaucracy and just gives money to everyone. Then you control how it gets distributed by adjusting tax brackets.
>>740042281I bought a cheaper game than Steam on GoG just yesterday.>>740042391That's funny since buying Factorio from their site gives you an installer but also a Steam key, how does that work? Did Steam receive money from me buying directly from the game devs?
>>740040974Was that picture taken on his $500 million superyacht?
>>740042686There's an entire board of people that mindbroken, so I don't know how facetious that post is. And even as a bait, it's pretty bad.
>>740040974>>740041205>>740041331>>740042373>>740042387>>740042430>>740042798No, this is just PR nonsense. You can not play F2P Master Duel without Steam. The PC version is not standalone, you have to use Steam for PC.You can not play exclusively PC games without Steam because the publisher doesn’t upload anywhere else.Nonsense PR needs to stop.
>>740042903600 million
>>740040974Because Steam is the best place to buy games. Simple as. He's 100% correct, and being successful isn't a crime so I really don't see what this whole problem with Steam is supposed to be. IF they were to fuck me over, I'd seriously reconsider where I buy my games, but for now there really isn't a reason to use worse services just for the sake of supporting them.
>>740042651Aight my bad. >>740042606>how's that benefit the consumerYou think anyone in the legal system gives a fuck about benefiting consumers? It benefits Timmy by hurting his competition
>>740041331rich money men want to be even richer by getting their fingers into valve
>>740042921And that's on Steam? Master Duel is published by Konami and they choose to put it only on steam. Do you want a standalone launcher? Call Konami, not Steam.
>>740042921That's not because of Steam, that's because of Konami doing that of their own volition
>>740042903I'd much rather he buys all the yachts in the world than he buys all the RAM in the world like what the capitalist scam that is "AI" is doing.
>>740042281Steam doesn't do that
>>740042921>f2p master duel>where to BUY gamespardon?
>>740041909because thats what the devs and the publishers list for salethey could sell their own installer
>>740040974I never had a reason to go somewhere else. Why?
>>740043083
>>740042986>>740043005It’s not the best, you are following a cult. Just like Trump supporters. Steam hurts gamers, they ruin CSGO lootbox, they are in lawsuits, they were guilty of stealing game controllers.They are the bad guys.
>>740042921Ok, so the developers and/or publishers of F2P Master Duel decided to only support Steam. What is Valve supposed to do about this? Do you really expect them to go>no no, you can't just use our store, you must give the competitors a chance as well and implement support for their store APIs and shit
>>740041969brick and mortar stores use to charge up to 50%I wish it was free too, but that's the cost of doing business
Gaben is just like me. Does nothing and everyone is mad at him because of it.
>>740043041>>740043061Then call Valve Corporate and create standalone Artifact. See how stupid you sound.
>>740040974>monopoly accusationslanguage truly just means whatever the individual wants in the moment now
>>740043083>it's not Capitalism when MY favorite richfag does it!This thread LOL
>>740040974>I have investigated myself and deemed that I am not a monopolyLol, sureThis coming from the guy that also constantly pushes and incentivizes devs to use features that require the use of steam to function, and spends marketing money on fooling people into thinking that using superior independent alternatives with the same level of seamless integration but more user friendly features is a bad thing
>>740043135>good guys bad guysYour brain is poisoned. If Steam issued some new "fuck you" clause, and limited me to playing one game per day I'd jump ship, it's not about good guys bad guys, it's about which store doesn't fucking suck, which is steam for this particularly long moment
>>740043135>Steam hurts gamers, they ruin CSGO lootbox, they are in lawsuits, they were guilty of stealing game controllers.good morning sir
>>740043135>They are the bad guys.If Steam are "the bad guys" everyone else are "the worse guys".
He runs a quiet monopoly. All publishers know that if they want to succeed on pc they have to publish on Steam and bend to Gabe's demands. PC gamers are locked in with the libraries since you don't own your steam games but rent them from Gabe. Everyone is essentially forced to comply with Gabe's store.If he were based he'd let us own our games but unfortunately he's not, and he's going to keep taking advantage of us. Especially since the mask is off and he's shown how greed driven he is. Soon they'll be charging for features like cloud saves and screenshots. We'll be fucked because we're locked in with our libraries.
>>740042281only if selling steam keyssupport true indie devs and buy their install wizard
>>740043202>monopolies are when you can't buy Great Value brand oatmeal at Safeway
>>740043219Just like your president guilty of crimes but no punishment. This is clearly an American problem that needs to be addressed.
>>740043243>spends marketing money on fooling people into thinking that using superior independent alternatives with the same level of seamless integration but more user friendly features is a bad thing?
>>740040974>simply provide the best service>dont try to screw customers and clients over at every turn>spend time improving the service rather than coming up with new money extraction methods>naturally, this causes steam to accumulate the biggest userbase over time in terms of game devs and players>this makes jews seethe endlessly because they cant fuck the customer over AND compete with steam>steam being privately owned also means that they cant get their grubby little hands in by simply making an investment and saying "you need to screw over your userbase for MY benefit!"the scary part is that they might actually win one of these lawsuits and start shitting everything up
>>740043243Define monopoly.
>>740043274Define monopoly.
>>740040974steam is like appleand their steamid is their blue bubble
>>740042387they're not stupid, but they're greedy and lazyit's easier to try to use the court system then it is to compete honestly
>>740041139This kills Gaybe's argument, assuming it wasn't already common knowledge that Steam is effectively a monopoly.
>>740043274As long as Gabe provides the best comparative service, gamers won't care.
>open concert venue>competition opens their own concert venues but these ones don't have websites, or reviews, and they also don't sell or provide water>everyone uses my concert venue>competition cries about me having a monopoly, they still refuse to have reviews or sell or provide water in any capacity>I have to change or stop operation because people are choosing my venue over their shitty venues where people are dying of dehydration
>>740043202Are you fucking retarded? You're actually arguing against your own point and agreeing with both of the posts you're replying to.>"Tell Konami to use their own storefront">What! No, Valve not using their own storefront would be dumb!The anons are literally saying Konami should make their own storefront if they don't want to use steam and you are AGREEING with them you dumb fucking monkey
Look I'm just going to use the best service. I don't care about the rest.
>>740040974I'm not gay or retarded. why the fuck would u support microslop fag box?
>>740041392If you ship your OS with your own company's browser pre-installed, you're in anti-trust territory. Meanwhile, Gabe's very own personal website is the only place that the majority of existing video games can be accessed whatsoever.
>>740041205Steamfags really are cultist
>>740043127I would trust the future of LLMs on Gabe's hands. mostly because he'd be a lazy fuck and do nothing with it
Every steam purchase brings me closer to a fully modeled alyxbot
>>740041392OWNING ALL THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION. STEAM MAKES ALL THE GAMES AND SELLS ALL THE GAMES. THEY ARE MONOLOPY!
I only support steam, gog, and pirating. everyone else can fuck off
>>740043568steam doesn't make games.
>>740043539FULLY you say?
>>740043475So Steam is a monopoly because SteamOS uses Steam?
For PC (maybe I'm forgetting some):>gog>EGS>humble store>itch>microsoft store>Ubisoft launcher>EA launcher>Blizzard launcher(I guess that's microsoft as well)>various app stores for m*bile games, I guess>physical copies *coughs up blood*
>>740043274>PC gamers are locked in with the libraries since you don't own your steam games but rent them from Gabeproof?
>>740043653gog is the only good one on your list
THANK YOU GABEN FOR KILLING PC GAMING AND SELLING GAMBLING TO VULNERABLE CHILDREN
>steam is a monopoly>doesn't have the biggest games like Fortnite, Minecraft, or Roblox on itLegitimately argue HOW its a monopoly with this being the case
>>740043254>>740043269>>740043313>>740043338>>740043341>>740043390>>740043407>>740043434>>740043475>>740043712It can’t play browser games, it can support android apps or link to Apple apps. You do not own the files, locked into DRM client, no download without permission. Zero support for indie developers because they pay $100 American value dollars, tax and 30% fees.You know which offers better services, itchio with any percentage for the developers to choose and no fees. Download without an account and you are not locked into DRM client.You are supporting the worst platform.
>>740043712Steam has minecraft! dungeons
>>740043701you have to be 18+ to buy games on steam, or have a parants permission
>>740043680rent is the newer talking point Snoy console warriors use to attack Steam
I guess rothchild losing(and not having all of US contract law upturned) sent them into mental frenzy.jeets are god's mistake
>>740043785German courts give Valve time to answer this question. Valve lost. Stop lying anon.
>Why arent you buying games off Xbox or Epic games store? microsoft ruined console gaming and its a scamepic is shit, a fucking emulator have a better ui than that shit
>>740043653there's some others like ZOOM Platform (not to be confused with the video conferencing platform) but that's a pretty good list
I've never had one of the jeets/bots/fags actually explain why Rothschild losing was a bad thing.
>>740043749Try typing that again without crying, Timmy.
>>740043831Go back to /x/, you don’t have evidence. You can’t understand the game controller from a real company that won vs the trolls.
>>740043712those games aren't worth playing anyway
>>740043880>microsoft ruined console gamingI'm glad they're finally fucking off from console gaming, took them long enough.
>>740043274>If he were based he'd let us own our gamesThat isn’t his decision you colossal fucking moron
>>740040974Oh ok let me just go buy mina the hollower on Epic Games St- Wow. Thanks Gabe
>>740043765>muh 18 plusYou are so smart anon with your totally not disingenuous arguments! I say we bring back casinos! Just blame parents or kids if they gamble. We don't want laws protecting citizens like nazi germany do we? This is America.
>>740043749>and 30% fees.not my problem timmy, i buy the game where its cheaper
>>740043749Until itch starts getting more than 1000 visits per day and needs to buy and maintain servers.
>>740043972problem is, they tried to fuck pc gaming since they started in the console market so we are fucked either way
>>740043903Billion dollar company can’t support 20 year old code to make games without installing to PC. Sad.
>>740043749itch is a faggot ass company who tells adults what they can and can't do with their money. get fucking bent.
>>740044017Why stop there? Just lift all laws regarding drugs and sex work! If you get exploited you deserve it!
>>740044017please explain to me how a child can buy games on steam.
>>740044000Not his fault that Epic is so shit developers skip itPlus it's also on GOG
>>740044127Why defend Valve? They have literal board meetings they discuss how to exploit people and you are here trying to rationalize like Valve isn't abusing loopholes to sell gambling at EU countries.
>>740044210answer the question
>>740041139>piracy is a service problem>game piracy is still insanely rampant despite gog drm free games and steam itselfsounds like gabe is calling his own platform shit, then...
>>740044103Agreed
>>740044231Answer the question.
>>740044210I'm an American. I don't give two shits about your shit hole EU countries
>>740040974I'm not buying of Epic because I don't appreciate the way they bought exclusivity from games that were already being sold in other stores. I'm not buying from Xbox because UWP fucking sucks. I'm not buying from EA Origin or Uplay because their games suck. I do buy from GOG sometimes
>>740044237>game piracy is still insanely rampantonly in the 3rd world. normalfags are all buying games now
>>740044274yes that's what I said. can you stop being a 3rd worlder and answer my question, or not?
>>740044292SHOW EM COWBOY! WE DON'T NEED NOBODY. IT'S NOT LIKE WE NEED TO WAGE WAR 24/7 TO STAY AFLOAT>imports everything from china and eu
>>740044210>They have literal board meetings they discuss how to exploit peopleare you new to the internet?every company does thiswhy the fuck you think wow turned the way it did?
>>740042885>Did Steam receive money from me buying directly from the game devs?Nope.
>>740044354wtf are you talking about? I buy local, and if I want something imported I'd import it from Japan
>>740044384And after all this time you make my case for me. Knowing this you dipshits spam Valve worship threads why?
>>740044096Just like Steam because you have to lie about age, just like itchio. No so different now huh anon.
>>740042921will my ps2 run xbox games
>>740041205here's the correct version
>>740044418>nigger doesn't even know who produces the silicon in his computer
>>740040974I wish I was still able to physically buy PC games. Too bad Steam killed that market entirely huh.
I will never use Epic. I don't love Steam but I fucking HATE epic for trying to bring the consolefaggotry exclusives model to PC. They could offer a new free GOOD game every single day and I would still pirate it out of spite.
>>740042386Kill yourself.
>>740044331
>>740044446>lie about ageanon you can't lie about your age with banks and credit companies. you litterly have to be an adult to own a credit card
>>740044432i dont know what you are talking abouti dont worship shiti buy games where its cheaperfuck your company and fuck valve if the price isn't the cheapest one i can find
>>740044487John Silicon
>>740044460Yes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=985AEssjrfQ
>>740040974Because Steam is miles better than any of the other ones.Example: Microsoft Store sell games that aren't in a playable state due to it's bugs (I think it was Hotline Miami 2). Game doesn't even launch. Fuckers never fixed it and still sell it.
>>740044487tiwan
>>740044492>Too bad Steam killed that market entirely huh.devs didno one is stopping devs to release physically, i would also buy it if it was cheaper than fake numbers
Okay I concede there a monopoly. But there a good monopoly. Your happy with their service, aren't you?
>>740044237It is tiny if compared to actual sales.piracy outside of literal street stalls with burned CDs require people that know what folders are, and these are painfully rare.
>>740043749>It can’t play browser gamesbecause steam is a website itself and the steam app is a wrapper for that website.you're crying because the auto parts store isnt a mechanic shop>it can support android apps or link to Apple appssteam has android emulation support built into it?please share.>You do not own the filesyou do. they are downloaded onto your PC and steam doesnt even force delete the files if you refund the game.you can buy a game, download, play for a few minutes, refund with an excuse like "it wasnt what i was expecting", and then use goldberg to rip the steam dependency for a free game.>locked into DRM clientas mentioned already, goldberg.>no download without permissionits a store. they're going to make you provide proof of purchase (in this case, your account)>Zero support for indie developers because they pay $100 American value dollars, tax and 30% fees.the entry fee acts as a barrier to entry so that one person cant shit up the storefront with hundreds of spam entries per day.and the 30% fee is what every other service charges.>You know which offers better services, itchio with any percentage for the developers to choose and no feesand if they start getting popular they'll need to start charging a minimum to maintain their servers
>>740044487>ASRock Inc., a Taiwanese manufacturersorry dick head but Taiwan isn't a part of China
>>740044345Drone, your argument is weak, it's disingenuous as in there isn't any argument. You are acting like +13 requirement for creating account or credit account is a safeguard against online gambling. I bet you were underage when you drank or bought your first csgo key or condom (very doubt this)
>>740044569Not a monopoly
>>740044618stop skipping the question you fucking retard.
>>740044569Define monopoly
>>740044551Steam wont let you play online games every Tuesday. Then there is Proton bugs that games can not fix and still aren’t fix.Anon, it’s the same problem but different companies.
Not a single person here has defined what a monopoly is. How curious.
>>740044652>Steam wont let you play online games every Tuesdayseems like a you problem
Saying Valve is a monopoly is like saying America is the only livable country
>>740044693it's because steam doesn't have a monopoly. everyone has a choice.
>>740044643You responded to this post originally >>740044017With this bullshit that has nothing to do wtih discussion "WAAAAH ONLY ADULTS CAN USE BANK CARDS" like you are trying to make a pointStay on topic if you want your garbage to get answered nigger
>>740044643Don't botherHe will never answer but just keep baiting for (you)'s
>>740044715anon has been getting his internet stolen by gnomes every tuesday for years and just assumed valve was shutting it off
>>740044565Devs stopped making physical after realizing nobody was going to buy play anything not attached to Steam
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>>740044761the answer is no. children can't buy games on steam
>>740044237Remember that that quote is at least 15-20 years old, it comes from an era where physical PC gaming committed suicide with excessive DRM treating all customers as potential thieves. I quit buying games for a while when I was in high school because there was no way in hell I would pay money for something that required internet activation and would get stolen from me if I reinstalled Windows and/or upgraded my hardware 3 times. As was the case with SecuROM.Steam offered a much more reasonable option, it was still DRM, you still needed internet, but at least you didn't get fucked over and weren't treated like a thief. That's what Gabe meant when he said that, and that's how Steam took over the PC gaming market.
>>740044803WHAT IS YOUR POINT RETARDWHY DID YOU REPLY TO ME IN THE FIRST PLACEWHAT IS THE POINT OF YOUR RETARDED QUESTION YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO
>>740041969>Sure, but 30% seems pretty extortionateBruh. Steam brought the industry standard DOWN to only 30%. And with that 30% you get a spot on the shelf that will always be there and is easily searchable, Steam deals with all the bandwidth, storage, payment processing, and allows you easily distribute updates to your game automatically, all kinds of neat shit like that. 30% is a bargain. Wal-Mart will take a 30% bite and won't give you anything else besides a spot on the shelf that they can change their mind on at any time and chuck your shit into a bargain bin where no one will ever be able to find it.
>>740044840because you two are acting like fucking idiots I couldn't tell you apart you caps spamming turbo faggot.
>>740044471Still pretty much the same thing, just added detail.
>>740042861trueand even with a disability and solid proof that the person in question functions extremely poorly in society it can take 5-10 years of bullshit (adding up to great expenses for society) before that person is finally given respite in many first world countries
>>740044901What happened is some drone seethed at this post >>740043701 because dipshit drones know deep inside they are retarded but too prideful to admit
>>740044782i was still buying physical when steam startedonly when it was cheaper than buying fake numbers at least
>>740041225can you fags stop using >literally completely wrong and shoving it into every sentence it's redditspeak
>>740045132sorry but they LITERALLY changed the definition of literallyeat shit, literally
>>740044651You first. Your definition is bound to be autistically rigid to disqualify Valve, even though for all intensive purposes they ARE a monopoly.Break. It. Up.
>>740043701steam isn't forcing devs to stop pushing for innovation/exclusives>blaming the kids for failed parents
>>740045041how am I a drone for pointing out that character children can't buy games on steam?
>>740043701Why are you always thinking about children? Why don't you take a seat?
>>740045174monopolies aren't actually illegal btwonly if they are abusing the position and doing unfair practices
>>740045174why should we break valve up? they dont do anything to suppress competition, they only provide a better serivce.all you need to do is provide a better service than valve to compete with them.
>>740045174legally speaking you can't prosecute unless it's for all intents and purposes, so i'm afraid that's insufficient
>>740045173
>>740045221>character childrenhello godhows up there, still slacking on updating this shithole called earth?
>>740045174A monopoly is a government grant given to a company to exclusively engage in and control trade over a given sector.
>>740045174>I can't define a monopoly because I-I just can't o-okayI accept your concession
>>740045291it was a typo.
>>740044592>Reading from scriptAll these have been disproven, Steam did let you play a minigame pre-2012. This is Valve Corporation choice to not support it. Hacks proven that Steam Client is easy hack because of old exploits that Valve chose to not fix.German courts give Valve chances to explain, read their answer: https://www.criticalhit.net/gaming/german-group-sues-valve-over-its-steam-eula/That is why you do not own your files. It’s DRM and anything you claim to access files is illegal piracy.The “barrier” allowed nazi content, porn (all versions), political propaganda, malware, fake games and money laundering. You are native to believe the FBI isn’t lying about Valve allowing criminals into the platform.
>>740041909If you buy a steam game from humble bundle, fanatical, or any of the others, then the 30% cut that valve normally takes doesn't apply.
>>740045291there is no god, there is no heaven or hell. Just the great pool, and limbo
>>740045324your only response is coping and seething, got it.
>>740044127Using a childs bank account such as Nationwide FlexOne which comes with a debit card for ages 11–17, there are other banks who will give cards to children as young as 6, all they need is to save their money up.
>>740045221Because nobody asked. That's not the point. You are trying to make excuses for evil actions of billion dollar corporations for free because you are stupid.
>>740045342Wolfire is suing Valve because that statement is not true. Fight him in court if you think you’re right, you coward.
>>740045292>blaming le government even though natural monopolies existGaming is a natural monopoly because it's social. You have to buy on the same platform as everyone else to play with them.
>>740045398you do know credit/debt cards have the owners identity tied to them right? that's why places online ask and they can tell who the card belongs to.
>>740045398Don't give kids money.
>>740045396Anon, fury porn games are on Steam you can’t dispute this fact.
>>740045409shut the fuck up you room temperature thirdy
>>740045324>2013>nothing has changedSeems like German Courts failed to make their case with the rest of the EU
>>740045493... why should i care?
>>740045493What's wrong with that?
>>740042921Why is it Steams fault if devs sell their game through Steam?
>>740045493Every game is on steam.You can make a furry murder simulator 2000 and post on it
>>740045324can you imagine if europe blocked steam and yuros could no longer access it?
>>740045462There's no such thing as a natural monopoly. Without the state a company cannot prevent competition.
anyone noticed basically all modern problems are caused by lazy parents?
>>740045174>all intensive purposesgr8 b8 m8
>>740045583it's called vr chat
>>740040974>Buy game on steam if multi>pirate everything else>buy game on GOG if it's worth it to support the devssimple asValve is evil for inventing loot boxes and the routine dicking they do to their fanbase, but pretending that they aren't the best in the industry or that the 30% cut isn't justified given the services they provide for devs is silly. >>740044127gift card/ATM card, that's how people I knew did it back in the day.
>>740042715PC is absolutely competing with consoles. If someone has 1k to spend on a gaming machine, they're probably not going to buy a console AND a gaming grade PC.
>>740045602VALVE SHOULD BE PARENTING FOR ME! I CAN'T DRINK A HIGHBALL AND FUCK THE POOLBOY IF I HAVE TO WATCH MY 6 BRATTY KIDS I GOT FROM 8 DIFFERENT FATHERS!
>>740040974Because they suck dick? There's no platform worth using other than Steam and gog.
>>740045636>gift card/ATM cardthat's with an adults permission
>>740045636>buy game on Steam if I like it>steal it on GOG if notSimple as.GOG is evil for being non-American and having no games.
>>740045636The funny part is that valve didn't invent it, EA did with Fifa. Valve did popularize it though.
>>740045690as much as I like gog they're evil because they're cdpr, and suck Larry finks dei ridden cock.
>>740045595Who's preventing anybody from competing with Valve? Also, your point is completely wrong because there are plenty of business that require such massive upfront investments, infrastructure, etc that you can't truly just jump in unless you already had money in some other business and, let me tell you a sordid fact, the people with the monopoly can just sabotage new competition at any time if they have the monopoly, state or no state.
>>740045515Watch out thirdies, this one's shilling for free because he is just that rich
>>740045721EA was the first western company but the honor belongs to Nexon with Maple Story
>>740045739You cannot prevent competition without aid from the state. The best example of a natural high-entry sector is semiconductor manufacturing. TSMC is by far the market leader, but they still have competition (because they aren't a monopoly). Monopolies must be enforced by the state.
>>740045518>Read MFhttps://www.rockpapershotgun.com/german-court-rules-against-rights-to-resell-steam-games
>>740045646Only if the average gamer makes equal consideration when buying a consoles or a PC, whereas I suspect the majority have a strong preference for one over the other.
i buy my games on 1337x
Why do people keep defending billionaires on /v/? Do they get paid for it?
>>740046004no, why, are you getting paid to attack them?
>>740046004I'm not a commie. A person being richer than me doesn't make him evil.
>>740045909>RPSThat fucking rag still exists?
>>740040974What happened today that caused this wave of gabendickriding?
>>740041205now draw one on Steam shooting itself in the face and a bunch of people licking their boots.
>>740045851What the fuck are you talking about? TSMC had the monopoly for ages over several types of semiconductors for years.You are arguing MAINTAINING a monopoly, but natural monopolies happen all the time, you fucking retard.And even if you argue "b-b-but they have competition", it doesn't matter if the competition is a minuscule part of the market or don't provide services and products on the same level of quality because then they won't be competing at all, they'll just be sharing a market with different products altogether.
>>740046004I'm not a communist
>>740045909https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2024/12/french-supreme-court-rules-on-resale-of-digital-video-gamesOk now read this
>>740046004Why can't you just make a new Steam account? They're never going to remove that VAC ban you've been bitching about for almost 3 years.
>>740045947That's nonsense. There are always undecided players whom consoles and PC's compete for. Your own strong preferences amount to anecdotal evidence.History has shown us that consoles and PC's edge in on each other's territory all the time. Late 00's early 10's was a rough time for PC, we were starving for ports. Later, the zeitgeist shifted, and PC's horned in on consoles territory. Getting the lion's share of games and even Sony and Xbox were porting all their shit begging for sales on Steam and whatnot.These factors absolutely impacted how and where people decided to game.
>>740046060People getting rich over syphoning resources everybody else needs to live to inflate their own coffers makes them evil. Millionaires are cool, to become a billionaire, you need to harness so much resources that could go to literally anything else that could improve others life quality that they are just a massive parasite that occasionally provides something for a few year in lieu of making life miserable for 90% of the rest.
>>740046130TSMC doesn't have a monopoly. Other companies like Samsung provide the same service.You're equating market dominance with monopoly. The idea that every company should have equal market-share is utterly preposterous.
>>740046004It's because of why their attacking said billionaire.
>>740046220this is why the country with the most billionaires is also the one with the most crushing poverty
>>740040974They are trying to force Gabe into taking his company public.
How does treating Valve like a monopoly make my life as a paying customer better?
>>740040974Even though almost every PC game I have is on Steam, I haven't directly bought a game on Steam in years. Why would I pay full price on Steam when I can buy from an authorized key seller like GMG with a 20% discount at launch?
>>740046267>crushing povertyIndia?
>>740046220You don't need video games to live.
>>740046004we are just using the least shitty store. thats all
>>740045678latter yeah, I bought gift cards while underage no problem >>740045690yeah i usually pirate from GOG a lot. I'd buy more often from them to support the devs if they weren't in fucking poland and I have to jump through 20 hoops to tell my bank that "yes, it is indeed me buying Hentai Sniper 3D on GOWG.COM">>740045721Interesting, never heard that. I always thought TF2 was the first.
>>740046220If trade is evil than scale doesn't matter. Anybody who gains wealth using trade is bad, including people of average wealth. Making exceptions based on arbitrary amounts is asinine.
>>740044237piracy being a PROBLEM is a service problem.you're always going to have a group that steals, but thats miniscule to the total consumer base, so they're a non issue in the grand scheme of things.then you've got a considerably large base that'll go with the most convenient option, this is the group the service problem quote talks aboutif buying the game legally is notably more inconvenient than piracy, or consumers decide that your product isnt worth its price tag, people are going to pirate it.if you have an oppressive amount of DRM, then people are going to pirate because its significantly better than buying legitimately.this is why piracy was such an issue back when the quote was made. DRM was so intrusive, oppressive, and outright insulting that people just said "fuck that!" and pirated so that it wasnt a hassle to simply play your games (this is also why physical died, much more convenient and ironically more secure for your games)>what about steam's DRM then?its extremely lenient, to the point that it might as well not exist.you can go for a pretty long time without needing to log into steam or have an internet connection to play your games, well over a month. but in the modern day having access to the internet at least once a week should be a non issue with how much everything else demands access the internet.steam's DRM is also pretty much just a weak "layer" that can simply be peeled off with a tool.
>>740046298i'm joking, real world evidence does not support the idea that billionaires are somehow massive black holes of resources taken from their fellows
>>740045552>>740045664>>740045690>>740045739>>740045947>>740046304You cultist are the reason why other stores don’t get better. Itchio tried to even create a launcher with Steam so you can play on both players. You people hated the idea. Gamejam had indie devs doing the early game jams and once again you people hated it. Speed run software, removed because it’s not a game by your definition (while other software exists). Company tried to give pirated version to keep players safe while still offering on sale, the cult hated.This is a you problem, a cult that hates change for a better gaming community. You are the enemy of gaming.
>>740046121The threads may not be organic but there is such overwhelming sentiment on this board in favor of Steam that THAT is obviously organic. That's how shitty the competition is. Who knew refund periods, porn games within the boundaries of the law and user reviews is all it takes to make the customer happy. Maybe instead of trying to use the courts or buy exclusivity, the competition actually gives the consumer what they want.
>>740040974I buy on Steam and not the Xbox or Epic Games Store because Steam offers me many benefits such as a generous refund policy, sales, exclusives and other aspects which it is able to offer to me thanks to its status as a monopolistic platform with insane financial power which can afford to offer these things to its customers while smaller, less successful competitors are smothered by the financial load of having to try to replicate these things.As a consumer and PC gamer, I see nothing wrong with this because Steam benefits me personally.
>>740046294It's because publishers want to charge higher prices and get rid of refunds and user reviews.
>>740046158>retard tries to argue using a court case by germs that was made 12 years ago>it was already overruled by frogs 2 yeas agoKEKYPOW
>reddit cries about steam DRM>gog is the DRM free alternative to steam>redditors refuse to buy from gog
>>740046294Well, you'd get better games if Valve weren't abusing their monopoly position to rape a 30% Yacht Tax from developers, for one.
>>740046310>Making exceptions based on arbitrary amounts is asinine.No because the world isn't black and white and you don't get to tell me what my morals and my standards are. I believe in limits and some things are fine up to a point.>>740046302I know, I'm arguing a scenario where that happens. I'm arguing the simple idea that billionaires and their mindset should be supported by itself. But Gabe did take advantage of stuff like digital (even if not for direct money( gambling to increase his wealth. I don't expect all billionaires to be spic and span and super clean, but also don't expect me to clap my hands in joy as they single-handedly inflate prices and costs for everybody since everything becomes beholden to the "value" they add to their assets and pieces of digital shares.
>>740046360>cultistthis is how i decide where i buy any gametell me more about it timmy
>>740046310The parasitism comes from rents, profits and interest. Not trade itself.
>>740046360>ESL gibberish about nothing>YOU NO LIKEY STUFF CHINGCHONG.IO TRY GIVE YOU THING YOU NO LIKEYBuy from Steam, steal from anywhere else. SIMPLE FUCKING AS
>>740046470Would that also apply to consoles as well?
>>740046470if thats the case then itchio should have better games than steam.
>>740045426It's not true. Steam keys sold outside of Steam give Valve a 0% cut. The burden of proof is on you to prove that Wolfire is suing them over that specifically.
>>740046358lol. I was going to say...
>>740046549No, because Nintendo spends their cut on teaching children to get into vans with strangers.
>>740043382How does it kill his argument? He made the fucking argument
>>740046358Nah, evidence suggest they absolutely are. The top 10 countries with billionaires DOES include India, China, Russia, Italy, etc.Also, It's not about the amount, but the way they handle the resources they do have.
>>740046559And Epic, but most of the exclusives they bought in the first couple years weren't great for the most part
>>740046631i like that you included italy, we should be more honest about the squalor they live in
>>740046509At what number does murder become bad? Is killing 1-2 people fine, but it becomes evil when it reaches 10?Either trade is bad or it isn't. You can't say trade is only bad when you do enough of it. That requires justification.
>>740045646>PC is absolutely competing with consolesLMAO, not at those prices. Everyone will get a Switch 2 and PS6 be it home console or handheld next gen. Only thing PC is competing with is itself.
>>740046602Is the candy at least free?This is very important.
>>740046542So everybody who makes a profit is evil? Wouldn't that include most of the population?
>>740046665BIPPITY BOOPY SPAGHETTI AND THE WORST PIZZA EVER BADA BING BADA BOOM
>>740046631now let's take a look at all those countries governments, and their constitutions
>>740046631does china have more or less crushing poverty than when they had zero billionaires?
>>740040974I bet he's only played candy crush in the last 5 years.Only thing he likes about Dota 2 is to watch the pros make money (hype) for him.
>Why arent you buying games off Xbox or Epic games store?make them cheaper than on steam and i will
>>740046771I'd say less. at least they're killing less farmers than when mao was in charge
>>740046817I don't want their games to begin with
>>740046707Most people are workers so their profit is being taken by their employer. So no, only owners are evil.
>>740046817Stores such as Steam always have conditions like you're not allowed to sell cheaper elsewhere.
>>740044715This>>740044652But Proton is free. Well, at least comes free with the Deck. And it's their 1st OS.The game that Microsoft is selling and not working is patched in every other storefront. Also, they're selling you a product that doesn't work. It's different if it's a simple bug. Don't try to make shitty excuses.
>>740046470>30% taxLet's look at Pragmata. 17k of the 46k reviews were purchased outside of Steam. Assuming that ratio accurately represents all purchasers of the game, that means Valve's effective royalty would be about 19%. And that's not taking into account the sliding scale based on revenue, so it's even lower than that.
>>740046854makes sensei wouldn't buy alan wake 2 for 1€ on epic either
>>740046893interesting, so it's okay to make a profit as long as it's taken from you
>>740043135>Just like Trump supportersLike Tim?
>>740046689And what would i play on ps6 or switch 2.Can i play the new heroes game? Or runescape?or maybe i can easily access the game from 2004 i never playedoh.... its just movieslop...
>>740046689People have limited income. Ergo, many people choose one or the other. It doesn't matter if there isn't parity in price point, there's other factors people consider too, like game availability and maybe multimedia potential.
>>740040974Because I do not want too because I hate those companies and I like Steam.
>>740044792>>740046601broke cope
>>740046893Is paying someone to give you a haircut evil? You are giving them money in exchange for labor.
>>740046893actually a good chunk is being taken by my government. my job doesn't keep any of the money I earn. where the fuck do you live?
>>740046470all that would happen is that another CEO would be getting his own yacht instead
>>740043135Now how does this affect me personally?>hurts gamersHow do they hurt me?>CSGODon't play.>lawsuitsAbout shit I don't care about.>stealing game controllersI use a Series X controller.So why should I care? They operate the best store with the most games, the fastest download speeds, and the highest reliability.Show me an alternative.
>>740046982>And what would i play on ps6 or switch 2.Games that won't be coming to PC
My brother hates Steam just because he's "anti-system". That's the reason why he doesn't work despise having almost 40. And still buying on Steam despise the games he plays on it are being sold in other places. He even gets mad at me when I tell him this saying that "I won't defend Steam like you do!" and want Steam suffer.I bet that 80% of anons and other players who complain about Steam are like him. The rest are paid shills.I regret gifting him my old PC (980ti and 4770k) when I upgraded to my current PC
>>740046978Never forget Tim banging the drum that he's standing up to Apple for the little guy, and then settled with them.
>>740047118Jesus christ dude... does he still live with your parents?
>>740043135>Steam hurts gamershow?Thanks to Steam, you can play original games in your 3rd world shitter, faggot.
>>740046360Learn English, retard.
>>740047160He settled with GoogleHe did admit he would have taken a special deal with Apple though
>>740041969>And they don't allow devs to sell their games cheaper on other storefronts which is scummy as fuck.They don't allow you to sell steam keys on other storefronts. If Blizzard wants to sell Diablo 7 for $2, they can as long as it's not a steam key for the game.
I wouldn't use epic gaming if I were paid to play their games
>>740047201Most of /v/ is on dialup level connections with quotas.>inb4 LOL AMERISHART QUOTA AMERIFAT AMERIMUTT LOL LOL LOL LOL (LOL) LOLSuck a picrel, non-Americans.
>>740047250ah right, that's what it was. The admission was enough though.
>>740047160As expected. That rat faced cretin would have been the death of PC gaming if any of his retarded schemes worked out.
>>740044792>>740046601if steam were to sell the deck at a loss, that'd give the people itching to see them fall the easiest monopoly lawsuit possible.
>>740046973Profit ultimately derives from someone else's labor... so yeah any excess should be given back to society.>>740047032We're talking about the surplus value of the labor. So no. If you bought a haircut for $15 but the barber only got paid $10, then the employer stole $5 profit from the barber.
Isnt there some rule you explicitly cant have your own website and list on steam?
>>740047332this is pinko level thinking. if I owned a business you better bet your ass I'm going to take a profit from it. you expect me to use my money to start it up and walk away? are fucking retarded? how smooth is your brain?
>>740047360What? There's plenty of developer homepage, X, and other links on their steam pages. And what do you mean "list?" There's tons of lists. Games they've made, cross promotions with other game, what kind of "list" is possibly forbidden?
>>740047360The sale of your game on your website has to equal Steam's version. Also same with discounts on your website and Steam.
>>740047525It can be inferior, as shown by out of date and stripped releases on GOG.
>>740047332It must be very easy and cushy to be an employer, just taking profit with no labor involved on your own part
>>740047091Income taxes are indeed bullshit. Land should be taxed instead. But your employer is only profitable because they are withholding much of the product of your labor for themselves.>>740047092Not so. A healthy market will minimize profit (inefficiency) so more wealth for regular people.
I'm glad this fayso will die of fat SOON and everything he built (own nothing and be happy) will crumble.
>>740047557it's a big risk. your business could fail and you'd lose everything
>>740047332How are you supposed to pay for other employees if the barber gets 100% of the payment? Is running a business larger than 1 person immoral?
>>740047332>We're talking about the surplus value of the labor. So no. If you bought a haircut for $15 but the barber only got paid $10, then the employer stole $5 profit from the barber.So how do you pay for the lease on the shop and upkeep of the license if the barber takes every cent? Why does the owner even bother opening a shop?
>>740047594I believe taxing land you own should be illegal, and I work for a non-profit. we don't make "products". we give a service.
>>740047630Sure, but it's not like you did anything, right? You just sat there and collected your five dollars. That's 100% pure profit baby, there are no other costs or tasks that have to be done other than the haircut
>>740047692Ownership of a business is a lot of work, especially on a small scale. Being a shareholder at Nvidia means raking in the money. Owning a small business means paperwork, handling bills, marketing, and so on. It's enough to make people lose their hair.
>>740047525That's blatantly not true. During Shovel Knight's release, SK had all kinds of advanced versions on other platforms. Secret boss fights steam didn't have access to, advanced systems like amiibo. Steam's version had NONE of that (but it did eventually get the Battletoads Xbox content for some reason).
>>740047420You are supposed to chase profit, but the grosser the profit the less efficient the market. Profit is a bad sign. Ideally you will produce, earn enough to sustain yourself and your business, and no more.
>>740047692>didn't do anythingwell fuck if it's that easy I'll just go outside and grab a free company fruit off of the company tree outside
>>740047775communists should be killed on sight. you people don't deserve human rights.
>>740047775Nothing is stopping you from minimizing your own profit. You're welcome to live in a cave with a box of scraps.
>>740046930sounds like bullshit to me when this is right now
>>740047609You might need to look at the OP image closer. He looks like he shed a ton of fat. Probably has his own personal gyms on all his yachts.
>>740047782Does it also have an electrical outlet? It's hard to cut or dry hair in the dark.
>>740042885No, steam doesn't, which is why they don't want you taking the steam keys they give you and then selling the product for half the price its listed on steam so that they get zero dollars despite you using their service and infrastructure
>>740047886apparently it does and it's free according to that fucking retarded pinko
>>740040974he is correctand as soon as other platforms offer better deals, I buy from themso far the only one to do so meaningfully has been gogat present Steam generally offers the better value and service.I have even purchased a dlc pack on epic because they threw the base game at me for free on one of those free weekly deals. EGS is generally crap however. I can't even examine what other titles a developer or publisher has release easily. The discovery is a travesty. GoG has similar hyperlinking for developer/publisher libraries.If I am going to just browse that shit on Steam or GoG I'll probably end up buying on those platforms rather than going back to EGS.Valve enjoys their 'monopoly' because they are consistently earning it. But they are not without fault, nor immune to competition. Everyone else is just salty they are genuine scumbags.but make no mistake. I absolutely expect Steam to turn to complete fucking dogshit the day Valve goes public.
>>740047775You aim for the biggest sustainable margin. A 2L of coke is $2.50. It costs around $0.50 to produce and ship to a store within a region. That's a 400% markup on costs (employment included). The reason it's that high is because it's sustainable. There are other SKUs that are marked up even higher, because people can afford it. That's how a working business operates.
>>740046601>>740044792i do not give one iota of a shit about the steam decki will still buy all my games on steam
>>740047782You can and people do all the time, hence shitton of scammer, ghost companies, companies that profit without selling a single good.Making a company and profitting can be quite easy if you just know how to lie and exploit people.Not saying that everybody making profits are exploiting people, but making companies, in the US at least, solely to squeeze money out of people without any value is one of the easiest things in the world.
>>740047961nta but desserts are the biggest profit-driven shit in restaurants
Valve should put Half-Life on EGS for the lols.
>>740047975it's not easy. if it were everyone would have their own business, and we'd live in fantasy world
>>740047763i think, if you looked, you might discover that nvidia shareholders are also engaging in labor that is often quite stressful
>>740047874>He doesnt knowOnce you're an american you always be an american and die of fat. Just like you cant regain your foreskin nor all your lost orgasms (jew slaves with no foreskin cant orgasm properly). Stay cucked, cuck.
I think I get the logic. Under communism profit is immoral, so running a business is impossible. Commies bypass this by letting the state steal money instead. Taxes don't count as profit, so it's moral. Profit is theft and taxation is not theft.
>>740048025did that retard timmy add a basket yet?
>>740047975didn't blizzard say in a interview they hired psychologist for making world of warcraft stuff more addictive? or something along those lines?
>>740043475>If you ship your OS with your own company's browser pre-installed, you're in anti-trust territory. true but it's pretty nuanced, when Microsoft got done for it they were forcing the hand of OEM's with contracts and shit, having cornered the whole market and then paying every sales avenue to keep it that way, this would be like steam paying publishers to only list on steam.>Meanwhile, Gabe's very own personal website is the only place that the majority of existing video games can be accessed whatsoever.Dominance isn't illegal, if they used anti-competitive practices to become dominant then it's illegal, which isn't really the case they've just been the best store front for 25 years and the extent of their anti-competitive practices are a recent clause that you're not allowed to list on steam if you also list elsewhere for cheaper.which would be hard to argue is anti-competitive because listing it cheaper elsewhere IS anti-competitive by the competing store.
>>740048059It depends on your percentage. Someone who owns 5% of the company might not even go to the shareholder meetings unless there's a scary dip.
>>740048018This. Sodas particularly are some of the most profitable products ever in terms of profit margin over production costs. A can of soda is just the cost of the aluminium, whatever you print on the can, sugar and whatever cheap food coloring/flavoring of your choice. In lots of the case, the can is the most expensive part of the product.
>>740048068Uh huh. I'm sure you're much better off than Gabe Fucking Newell.
>>740048098It's not even a matter of actively engaging in the work of governing nvidia, buying and selling shares is a real job. both investing and short term trading are valuable jobs
>>740046930How many times do we gotta teach you this lesson, old man. You can sell your game for whatever you want in other places, you just can't sell *a steam key* for your game for cheaper than the steam store price. The exact wording in the Steamworks documentation under "Steam Key Rules and Guidelines is>You should use Steam Keys to sell your game on other stores in a similar way to how you sell your game on Steam. It is important that you don’t give Steam customers a worse deal than Steam Key purchasers.
>>740047692You are conflating ownership with selfemployment. Sure, some owners employ themselves. They reap the rewards of their own labor. But they also reap unjust profit.>>740047673It's a simple example. Suppose $4 went to lease and upkeep. Still the employer makes sure to keep $1 stolen from the barber.As for why to start a business if profit is immoral? Because you want to produce goods and services in order to trade them for others.
>>740048180Is management not labor? Is the guy running the store supposed to do it for free?
>>740048173I'd imagine at some point you hire a broker to handle all that.>>740048180How is it stolen? Why does a person not get to actually make money from owning a business? Why own the business if you have to go bag groceries at Aldi to pay rent?
>>740048180>$1 stolenwtf are you even talking about? you don't know how business work
>>740047486So defensive, take your meds
>>740048180are you Indian saar?
>>740043274>PC gamers are locked in with the libraries since you don't own your steam games but rent them from Gabehow is this a problem? if another game comes out on another platform I can go play it over there.none of the games in my steam library interact with games outside my steam library?there is nothing holding me to my steam library preventing me from buying other games?what is the issue?
>>740048324I'm more confused than defensive. You going to elaborate on any of that?
>>740048180commies are truly just so ungenerous to their fellow man lmao
>>740042921>TADC image>retarded post
>>740048308The self employed owner would have paid themself a wage.>>740048307>>740048308If the owner performs management labor, they should pay themself a wage, even a good wage. Anything above that is unjust profit off employees. That is your just reward.
I love how journalists can say literally anything and thousands of retards will believe them and give them clicks.
>>740048636In the US, if you don't like your pay, you can get a better job.
>>740048743If you already have enough money, sure. Is the job market always filled with available jobs at every single place in the country? Does everybody start with enough money to survive the transition period? Is there even a better job available?Because the only way to guarantee you always have that choice is through a debt system, since then you'll always have enough "resources" to get a better option.Hence why most people in the US are also some of the most indebted people in the world.Not even that anon you are talking with, just telling you that for the majority of people "just changing jobs" isn't an easy option, specially if you have a family to feed or even assets to maintain.
>>740045740I love oujos so much bros
>>740047525>The sale of your game on your website has to equal Steam's versionNo, it does not. People keep saying this but that has never been the case.
This is technically true but the problem is 90% of where you can buy games only offer Steam codes, and Steam itself is getting worse every year.Have you see the workshop lately? Total downgrade.
>>740048904>sure glue isn't edible but I eat it anyway
>>740044584thank God I know what folders are
>>740049047What?
>>740040974>>740041225Just off the top of my head GoG honestly gives you a better deal for your money; no DRM anything, no restrictions, just download it and play. itch.io does its own thing; not familiar enough with the platform to comment on. EGS, UPlay, Origin (they don't call it Origin anymore but the new platfom is the same fucking thing), etc are all shit I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole but they exist, and it's their own fault for just being worse platforms than Steam and not giving customers a good value proposition. And, of course, the media doesn't want to admit it either but piracy is also a distribution channel that gives value on-par with GoG. But this is just typical of large bureaucracies who are so weighed down by bloat and institutional inertia they usually find it easier to buy out potential competition or pay regulators to make them go away than it is to innovate. I bet the guy who's in charge of Origin at EA hates his job because literally every decision he makes has to go through twenty layers of middle management just to change the shade of gray in the library page.
>>740040974I like steam, it works a lot better than everything elseIt still has bugs that it's had for like a decade but even despite that it's more functional than everything else by a long way
>REEE BREAK UP THE MONOPOLY Why? So the one decent store will turn into ten shitty ones?
>>740049126Steam gives the best value. Faster downloads, more games, up to date games, Remote Play, Family Sharing, and so on.GOG gives you out of date versions of games you already have, games with community patches already applied so you have to remove the scar tissue to patch them right, shit with original DOSbox included, slow downloads, and fewer games available. On top of that, they might go under in the forseeable future.>but you can just back up your installers!I shouldn't HAVE to. That's the convenience of Steam. I'll likely die before Steam does, and I'll have my games.
>>740049270GOG has a better refund policy which matters way more than stupid shit like remote play and family sharing.
>>740049375I don't refund since I'm not poor. Remote play and family sharing are more important than stupid shit like refunds.
>>740049462GOG gives you a better version of family sharing.
>>740040974We even have the choice of GOG and Epic and Amazon Luna, all of which I use in addition to Steam. I've spent money on all of them.
>>740049270I buy an old game on GOG, it works. Convenient and a good value. At the very least, if I do have to mess with things to install a community patch, it's usually well documented as "Here is what you need to do if you have the GoG version".
Here's 1/14 of a game downloading at poverty speeds from GOG, then the whole game from Steam (still a little slow, but much better than GOG).>>740049547Better in not legally allowing you to share?>but who cares if it's legal?I'll steal from GOG before I pay them to steal from them.>>740049616I buy an old game on Steam and if it doesn't work out of the box, PCGW has the info I need. It's also unmolested, so I don't have to undo what GOG did.
Oh, it's (I hope) pretending to be retarded. That explains a lot.
>>740049769>I actually PREFER doing more work to get games running 90% of the time, because one time it was a pain in the ass to do it the easy way!Okay, man.
>>740049852It's less work on Steam, because I don't have to remove the shit GOG added to do it right.
>>740041331>Publishers HATE him with this one simple trick
>>740047286Bless them, making streaming games unfeasible so we can still own GPU hardware.
>>740050237Streaming games will never be feasible except for people who just want to say they play games. Even streaming from my PC to the living room adds appreciable lag.
>>740050301That's what I thought but apparently there's a market for it.
>>740040974They should make it impossible to create new accounts for a year as punishment for being too good. If that fails, next step is to ban all India and China accounts.
>>740040974>One person recalls Newell ripping into Karl Quackenbush, Valve's general counsel, because he advocated for more content moderation during a debate about whether to allow pornographic media on Steam: "What the f--- do I pay you for if that's your opinion?"Gabe was against the removal of porn games from Steam all along. The fact that there are a lot of removed games in recent times mean even in Steam, his power is waning
>>740041225I but 1/2th my games on steam, 1/4th on Humble Bundle (because I get a flat discount on everything), and the last 4th is random other platforms or games without platforms.
>>740050730He's being pressured from (((outside))) the company.>>740050930>1/2th
>jews mad and attempting to smear gaben so they can pozz up steam
>>740040974Steam is the best option, which means it's a monopoly.
>>740043274>Indian shill doesn't understand software licensing agreements and how they went all the way back to the 80s: the post
>>740043274Nah. Gabe's business model is don't treat the user like shit, our real competition is piracy.
Here's an image for all the ignorant dumbasses in the thread
>>740043712Starsector and Vintage Story, too
>>740043749>Zero support for indie developers because they pay $100 American value dollars, tax and 30% feesI get great support. Meanwhile EGS won't even return my emails.
>>740050730Bruh. Payment processors unilaterally decided what people were and were not allowed to buy. Steam is a digital store. Payment processing is absolutely essential to operate. Them threatening to pull the plug would have completely sunk the company. Even for a few days it would have destroyed them.
>>740043653discord, luna (twitch/amazon)
>>740052212You are retarded.
>>740040974i get call of duty off the microsoft store with bing good boy points
>>740044237it isgame sales in the third world only went down after the paypal blocksteam cards below 10$ don't exist but that alone would deter piracy immensely there's still steps they could take to make payments more accessible but the operational overhead might make those gains minimal after all
>>740052109>2gameLMAO
>>740040974>"You have plenty of other choices!" says man who practically owns 70% of an entire platform's market through his own company
>>740052515But is he wrong?
>>740043485>>740046128stay mad
>>740045646>buy a $500 console and a $500 PC that can maybe play minecraft but is mostly just for writing emails and doing work>buy a $1000 PC that can play pretty much anything at moderate settings and runs slightly faster while you work to boot
>>740047331The entire point of selling consoles at a loss is to make the money back on selling exclusives for full price.How does that make sense for Gabe "Summer Sale" Newell when their only exclusives are decades old or free to play?
>>740052515I can think of at least three other places to buy games without doing much thinking at all
>>740041205competition is always good but given the kind of service steam provides it's probably a good thing they're too big to faili actually "bought" dominions 4 on desura back in the day and the site no longer exists so I literally own nothing, and along those lines to this day I won't EVER buy anything from GoG after they faked shutting down for publicity
>>740052667You're not exactly contesting what I said.
>>740041331Steam BTFO a member of a certain (((family))) recently and now they're on the warpath, simple as
>>740044584>uncs had to do homework and put them in folders, notebooks, and binderslmao. I just take a picture of my homework with a beauty filter on my instagram and send that to chapgpt and then upload it to dropbox.
>>740040974dun wanna
>>740041969>clueless retard gives ignorant opinionSo are you young or just stupid?
>>740042921how's that steam fault you absolute drooling moron
>>740050730>Gabe was against the removal of porn games from Steam all alongObviously. That doesn't mean he was going to watch the entirety of Steam go up in flames for not complying. Rich as fuck as he is, Steam is entirely dependent on payment processors.
>>740052515Sure, but you can still shop at the other 30%
>>740052515Most games are available at other stores. Some aren't because the publisher doesn't feel it's worth the effort, or they're first party Valve games white people don't play anymore.Just because everyone uses Steam doesn't mean you have to if you hate them. You can fite teh powah and buy from MS, Epic, GOG, and others. It doesn't mean I have to.
>>740046158>>740046452This is a real event that happened, Valve lost the court case. This is confirmed by the employees at Steam. Read better next time zoomers: https://www.thegamer.com/steam-digital-game-ownership-licence-disclaimer/
>>740040974Because other storefronts suck balls in customer service. And they sell games at about the same price as on steam instead of cutting the steam profit % off, and selling cheaper, so whats the difference on consumer end?
>>740041230monopolies arent even illegal in the USthere are many of themanti-competitive practices are the things that get the attention of the fed
>>740046582It’s on their blog: https://www.wolfire.com/blog/2021/05/Regarding-the-Valve-class-action/Leave the cult now, you disgrace your fellow cultists.
>>740046330The exact same thing happened with music, except there's several platforms that offer decent streaming. After what.cd died, I tried out streaming music, and most of the time, it has everything I want, if it doesn't, I can still just upload it and stream it from my 'private collection' on 90% of platforms. The only real issue left is bitrate, which I don't care about for 70% of what I listen to.You can look at games/music to see how this was solved, and look at movies for how service is the problem. I never pay for streaming/ppv movies since it's infinetly more inconvinient to hunt what platform has the niche film I want to watch, even if every movie streaming platform was free, I would never use them in the state they're in.
>>740050730this is gamerbrained (wrong) interpretation of thisa businessbrain interpretation is that he doesn't want to lose money to less porn games or more moderation staff/workwhen those 2 things came into confrontation he came to the solution of offloading moderation costs to third-parties
>>740049375no... it doesn't? if you download the installer then you can't refund anymore even if the game didn't work.
>>740053145It was meant less as "you're wrong" and more "you're technically right, but realistically one of those options is retarded".
>>740049152It’s literally Chrome with Google analytics to spy on your gaming performance. You’re helping the enemy.
>>740040974Because I installed epic store once and everything was slower, games have big file sizes for no reason. Lots of games that are not available there at all, and it was the same price, so why pay the same for an inferior product? I use the Xbox app to play new releases on game pass because that is something steam doesn't have, but I only need to subscribe once every few months.
>>740054639The gaming hardware survey stuff is "opt in." What alarmist nonsense.
>>740040974gayben is a fag, had to wait until Chrono Ark got ported to Switch to buy it because the only option before was steam. Monopoly.
I haven't bought anything off steam in fifteen years.
>>740054323This whole case is so baffling. I've bought non-Steam versions games because they were cheaper on several occasions. And I don't get why he's complaining about DRM when including DRM is his choice as the developer. It genuinely sounds like this dude escalated a misunderstanding or miscommunication into a class action lawsuit.>this is part of why all competing stores have failedBut they haven't? Wtf? The more I read the more this sounds like complete nonsense. It's basically a "Valve gives me the ick"-tier argument.
>>740054713>Believes Google didn’t hide a secret service just like many other times in historyYa no, we have enough evidence to confirm Google does indeed hide stuff. This happened with Ublock Origin, Ai model of 4GB, “enchantment security”, removed UI without consent, search gives different results, etc.It’s you who believes in Google, not us.
>>740054860Every other store HAS failed. They're just pulling a Weekend at Bernie's to try to milk as much money as possible before having to shut down the servers.
>>740054639>>740054959Chromium is not the same thing as Google Chrome, you donkey.
Why would I try to buy games when I'd only be buying licenses?
>>740043749>Zero support for indie developers because they pay $100 American value dollars, tax and 30% fees.Nigger, Steam is literally the only reason indie developers expanded beyond being a tiny niche.>muh hundred dollarydoosIf paying a hundred bucks, aka a few hours' wages, is some kind of barrier to you putting out a game that you expect to make thousands of dollars back, then you're just retarded.
>>740055396>Nigger, Steam is literally the only reason indie developers expanded beyond being a tiny niche.it's the opposite
>>740047332>Profit ultimately derives from someone else's laborIf a product is never sold, no amount of labor will produce a profit, this doesn't make any senseProfit is derived from demand, not labor
>>740054860it doesnt actually matter whether or not Steam is a real defacto monopoly (they aren't) what matters in the eyes of the law is whether producers BELIEVE that steam is a monopoly (they do) and that steam uses that belief to COERCE them into price parity (there is evidence that they have) and any other type of monopolistic anti-competitive market manipulation tactics they might employ.google playstore has a larger userbase than steam.apple appstore extracts more profit per user than steam.they are not only competitiors existing but they're objectively more successful all while having lower fees. they're not getting pursued for similar charges because they don't go around extorting their devs.
>>740055507Nope. There are people that have hundreds of indie games on their account. Imagine if you had to re-download from 500 different sites, remember the logins, remember where it's hosted and you had to update each individual game. Imagine doing that again with another computer. Fuck that.
>>740056318If you purchase a license for a game you should be able to download it legally whatever way you want, including torrents.
>>740043749People don't use steam simply for gaming. It's a social platform. Itchio doesn't offer that.Besides, if you want to go this route, why not attack gave developers for not making their games open source? Propriety code is a soft form of DRM in practice.
What happened to companies allowing people to directly download a game's files from their website when you purchased the game?
>>740056518It's way safer to have Valve handle the transactions instead of type your credit card into a dev's own website. Every person who give that info to is another chance that it will be leaked or misused.
>>740056518Bandwidth and hosting is expansiveGames are not small quake mods anymore.
>>740056518this
oh look we'll use steam keys to manipulate the market
>>740056693Note these anti-Steam threads are made by a single turd worlder. He'd be happy if games were floppy sized and mailed around, as international shipping is faster than his download speed.
>>740056858>Note these anti-Steam threads are made by a single turd worlder saar.
>>740055907>full of ads>steals your data>monopolies of their own ecosystem(99% of android users and apple users use the store)>has no games(also no modding support and no support for reverting back to older versions of a game)>had to wiped my own parent's and siblings phones because they kept downloading malwareGOG and EGS are the closest analog to steam. GOG is barely afloat with a 30% fee despite offering less features and EGS is losing money on their lower cut.
>>740041107>Because Steam is good and reliable. denuvo?
Imagine if Toyota became the dominant vehicle manufacturer because the other car companies kept making vehicles that constantly broke down or exploded, and everyone started crying that Toyota is a monopoly that needs to be destroyed.
>>740042921>Konami decides to do the bare minimum>REEEEEE VALVE YOU FUCKSOkay, retard
>>740041969How many times are you people going to argue "BUT THE 30% IS UNFAIR" when it's literally negotiable behind doors and 30% is the pre-million-seller baseline? At that point only indies are struggling, and if you were banking everything on a big seller as a genuine, non-backed indie, you were fucked from the outset.
>>740057516Except PC gaming existed just fine prior to valve making it standard to charge you the exact same price you used to pay for games without receiving anything tangible and no longer having any right to the first sale doctrine.
>>740040974I've watched a dozen other digital storefronts come and go, Steam has outlasted them all. Reliability is what matters most and to complete on reliability a competitor needs to be around for at least a decade. I tried GOG for a while for classic games... until I started actually trying to play some of the "good old games" I'd bought and found they were completely unplayable due to compatibility issues. I thought their whole gimmick was fixing that... so I went back to Steam.
>>740058139Do the games get removed from your computer when steam stops supporting them?
>>740056954You could have made another Steam account by now and amassed another "portfolio" of JPEGs to sell to pay the bills in Slovakia, but you choose to spend your time on 4chan.
>>740058620Read up what first sale doctrine is you fucking drooling mongoloid. Why the fuck would you reply to a post without understanding what is being said? Fucking shitskins like you deserve to be curb stomped and have their tiny brains splatter the pavement, holy shit.
>>740058713But do the games get removed from your computer when Steam stops supporting them?
>>740058713I love watching your kind go absolutely child-abusing feral with rage over simple questions.
>>740048084>listing it cheaper elsewhere IS anti-competitive by the competing store>by the competing storeNo?
At least this thread is at the bump limit. Good riddance to turd world seething.
>>740042686>i was merely pretending to be retardeddoesnt really make it any better
