Here's your new gaming pc that YOU own*
>>740045037I can't wait for them to disable features on it and then sell them to me for a monthly fee
I'm not buying a product from the notorious GPU fires company called "spark" no matter if it's good or not.
I'm sticking with real PCs. Not shitty larping phones.
>>740045037>>740045361Why cant you cunts ever be happy, the fact that they're releasing gaming capable hardware should be a good thing.
You will own nothing and you will be happy
So basically all future games will be built for ARM pcs while we get no new parts or games and will either be forced to swap to their new prebuilts or be forced to give up gaming when our pc inevitably dies?
>try to search what got announced >the only thing I see is some shit about stock dividends boomers are freaking out over lmao clown economy, clown products
>>740045037It's like a mini AI Data Center. Jensen cooked.
>>740045037
>>740045037>Built to run personal AI agents 24/7 right at your deskUmm....
>>740045581yepno general purpose x86-64 instruction set means games will be built for fixed feature sets which means new games won't work on your 2 year old CPU
>>740045037PC2 has been tried
5-10 years from now we're all going to be reminiscing about having to build our own pcs and laughing about the old times
>>740045505>why are you upset that someone is shitting on your plate?>be grateful that it only has a little corn in it!
>>740045505>ARM>gamingalso that's an nvidia chip so it'll run hotter than the oven jensen has sex with
>>740045581>You have to choose between millions of machines or a laptop that only some richfags have
>>740045581You got it
>>740045037I don't get what this is. Is it a "cloud" computer or what? Are you renting processing power and data storage from a server somewhere?
>>740045656>releasing capable hardware is shitting on your plate lmao you're delusional
>>740045581we're already emulating x86-64 on arm right now, it shouldnt be that hard to do it the other way around
>>740045581NOOO WHY DO WE NEED TO UPGRADE FROM OUR 20 YEAR OLD HARDWARE
>>740045712Thanks, I'm still gonna stick with real computers.
>>740045505It's not a PC, PC is about freedom, about doing the fuck you want with your machine, about doing shit like running templeOS or using weird cards.It's just a shit console.
>>740045710It's a mini PC like a steam machine using Nvidia's new ARM/GPU chip that has the power of a RTX 5070.
>>740045710It's phone hardware and architecture(built and locked down like a console), larping as a computer.
amazing job nvidia, the goyim will eat it up
>>740045037>PC 2Terrible name, it's never going to catch on. Should have called it the Pii C.
>>740045806And probably will have some lockedass bootloader as with android shit, and you will have to install a modchip in your computer to be able to remove mcafee
>>740045765You won't have a choice
>>740045712>cars start having 12 cameras pointed at every passenger to send live data to elon musk and alex karp and peter thiel so the technopriest deep state can sell your data and suppress political dissidents and homosexualsOH I'M SORRY I THOUGHT YOU WANTED A CAR? WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE CARS NOW?
>>740045361>Windows on ARM>Googlebook OSThat's exactly how it's going to be
>>740045873[delusional schizo doomer shit]Are you going to whine and cry when nothing happens again?
Will this shit flop though?
>>740045710Nvidia is introducing SoC (system on chip) PCs for Windows. What Apple Silicon did for their ecosystem, Nvidia is now doing for PC. Because the RAM is integrated into the same CPU/GPU chip it can be shared as an integrated pool with much higher amounts than conventional GPU RAM, which is very useful for AI: GPUs with 128GB RAM are being floated now.
>>740045885What? Are you gonna come to my house and take my hardware? Just try it jew.
>>740045037>It's AI bullshitFuck off.
>>740046010theres more interesting stuff you can do toolike massive 3d models in blenderputting entire games on ram
I wish I had the money to buy a top of the line PC right now. Or multiple PCs. I feel like it's all going to be downhill from here.
>pay 5K for an underpowered ARM shitboxnah im good
>>740045920What was the last time you bought any electronics that is not an IBM PC compatible?It is all locked down and full of shitware you can't remove.
>>740046010Float this:*BRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP*
>>740045806>>740045824>>740046010Can I play Street Fighter 6 on it
>>740045037Isn't it more like every PC becoming a Nintendo Switch? Same principle: an Nvidia ARM SoC.
>>740046176yeah sure you can
>>740046176You can't even play doom on it.
>>740045037I might buy that to run a local coom-gen machine. I bought a friggin Z13 FLOW with AMD's retarded "AI" chip in it because 128GB of unified memory sounded awesome, but it's slow as shit compared to anything with CUDA cores.
>>740045885There's more than a billion of computers on the planet.It would be very hard to destroy em all.
>>740045037It ain't got games... It ain't got games!
>>740046176You can already play Street Fighter 6 on an Nvidia ARM SoC.
>>740046010And the downsides? I know they're there, otherwise we would have been doing this forever ago.
>laptops are more expensive than Apple's most expensive wew lad
>>740045973They have previously released mini-PC's like this since 2016, but at way higher cost points, and to basically no demand.>Nvidia founder Jensen Huang has noted that when the system first launched, almost no one wanted to purchase it.>It required heavy educational efforts from NVIDIA to convince early adopters and researchers in academia of its valueThat was at $130k per machine in 2016, and the latest batch in 2025 was $5k per machine with close enough specs.If it's cheap enough it might sell well.
>>740045674I own an AMD GPU and it's too power hungry, I read online that AMD GPUs are known for being power hungry so I don't where this NVIDIA have the power hungry cards comes from
>>740046046>Just try it j-ACK
>>740045037>>740045581>>740045648>>740045710>>740046010>mfw i finally realise framegen was Nvidia playing the long game to get people used to fake frames whose true purpose is to gloss over massive frame drops and microstuttering from x86-64 emulation on Arm, to get gamers to buy into their Arm walled garden hardware platform and trojan horse their way into owning the entire consumer PC hardware stack so they can force their now-captive market to accept hardware-as-a-service once there is no longer any viable alternative
>>740046401ARM is a limited instruction set that many things are not programmed for. But everything on Apple has been coded for ARM since they made the switch to Apple Silicon. And everything on Nintendo Switch has been programmed for ARM. There's no inherent limitation for software to make to switch to ARM.One downside is everything is integrated into the chip, so no updating modular components.
>>740046401It means that all of the RAM and other parts they're making rn can't be reused on other systems.
I don't hate AI on a conceptual level.But holy fucking shit I hate the entire tech industry with every fiber of my being, these motherfuckers are speedrunning the destruction of my hobby, the economy and the environment all at the same time.
>>740046403Aw man, the most basic shittop too. We're going to be installing linux on Wiis in 5 years at this rate.
>>740046046>>740046309Just render them useless over time and make sure your average goyim cannot afford any new equipment. New generations will grow up like the cattle they were meant to be. Old hardware will just be junk eventually. The old internet was just a temporary mistake. You weren't supposed to own your hardware
>>740046403That's the DGX spark, not the recently announced RTX spark.Stupid naming conventions.Still probably gonna be priced about the same.
>>740046529>>740046530so it's useless garbage for babies, got it, I'm sure normalfags will love it and accelerate their own descent into slavery if njudea can make it affordable
>>740046403>>740046554How much does 128GB of DDR5 RAM cost by itself now? Seems decent value on that alone.
>>740046641Lol I didn't even see that. Holy fuck.
>>740046403128gb of ram and 4 tb is why, when they release cheaper versions it'll be way better
>>740046630No. Switch 2 is limited by power and budget, much like a budget PC is limited. What Nvdia is doing now is making Switch-style PCs with high end PC performance, and in one critical aspect workstation level performance: large pools of integrated RAM.
>>740046465If you come after me, you will die.Not by my hands, i'm in Brazil, you just die here.It will be a "OIA OS GRINGO!" and then you will be made swiss cheese.
>>740046205>>740046342Okay thanks, buying.
>desktopsso its a fucking prebuild piece of shit?so nothing
>>740046784This is not a PC.If you can't run templeOS on it, it's a mac
>>740046403Genuinely a good deal. You use a laptop more than your car.
>>740046507Nevermind this shit is so ass
The singularity is here.
>here's PC2 we made just for you>look inside>smartphoneno
>>740046901AGI just brain-blasted over my house
>>740046125*SSSSSNNNNNNNIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFF*quite pungent, now what? not even a nugget? a succulent, spicy nugget?
i told you it was going to be a thin client ai slop boxi told you
>>740046507How? Once Apple Silicon established itself as superior hardware to x86-64 it was inevitable that ARM would take over the Windows PC side too. All it would take is a decent manufacturer to capture the market.
>>740047018You were wrong then. It's not a thin client at all, the opposite.
>>740046076>like massive 3d models in blenderUseless. Any model large enough to use all your ram should probably be segmented anyway to make working on it easier.>putting entire games on ramRamdisk has been a thing for a long time.
Man I really don't want to have to switch to console
>>740045037That shit is literally ONE Chink invasion away from getting smothered in its crib.
>>740045757BECAUSE YOU KIKES CAN'T MAKE ANYTHING GOOD TO JUSTIFY UPGRADING FROM THE HARDWARE WE ALREADY HAVE
>>740047164Just do what most people will do and keep using your PC
>>740047027it's not about Arm being good or not, it's about Nvidia vying for complete ownership of the entire PC consumer hardware market on top of the effective full-stack monopoly they already have on the industrial/commercial markets
>>740047190Why exactly do the chinamen want to destroy the technology industry to possess a piece of land they don't need? Is autism that strong?
>>740045037It is going to cost more than everything else on the market and perform worse. Wow! Gaming is dead when no one buys it and nvidia decides to take their ball and go home.
>>740047027It's not about opcodes, it's about architecture.The apple silicon did bet on WIDE PIPELINE and it was a good bet.You can make a x86-64 CPU with WIDE PIPELINE as well, mostly because no x86 CPU is actually a x86 CPU since the pentium pro.It's all RISC machines, CISC died in the 90's.We have a thin translation layer and that's it.
>>740047190Fuck it, I'm calling Xi. I'm tired of this shit.Turn on CNN in 30 minutes, the invasion is ON.
Windows on ARM is going to suck huge donkey dick.
As long as my niche x86 gameguard shit works with FEX and Proton I'll easily switch over to ARM
>>740045037Steamies gonna flip when this turns out to be more powerful than the Steam Machine for the same price or cheaper
>>740047450Windows vibe coded by pajeets on AI. I can't wait for BOSD on those fomo machines.
>>740047215And? Nvidia won, what's wrong with that.
>>740047340And did Intel do it? No? Okay, now you're dead and Nvdia eats your lunch.
>>740048196probably the>hardware as a servicepart where every PC user becomes a rentoid client of the single-vendor hardware monopoly
I legitimately don't understand the demand for this. Why not just buy an Ally?
>>740048261But it's not that, at all.
>>740048267It is similar to the amd strix halo/point line and whatever the fuck intel has, except with arm
>>740045581Just vote with your walled. Replace western tech with Chinese tech.
>>740048319yeah that's what's coming after they gain PC CPU market dominance>an angled precipice? heh, i bet you think this is some kind of slippery slope>don't you know that's a common fallacy?
>>740048241Just being faster earn you shit.ARM is where it is not because it was faster, but because you could power it with some potatos.It must be compelling and cheap, and run all the software the consumer need it to run.If it can't run that delphi shit, offices will never adopt it.
>>740048436If some other company can outperform them then let them do it. Pointless to prop up losers (Intel, AMD, etc.). Look at most of the computing companies from the 80s and 90s that aren't around anymore: the inventor of PCs (IBM) haven't made PCs or PC components for decades. Apple is still going strong because they compete and lead the market.
>>740048453True. But Nvidia is the biggest company in the world now. And Apple have already laid a beachhead (as have Tendies in gaming). They will force it through.
>>740048196>one greedy company owns the entire market for a given thing.that isnt a good thing.
>>740048719Like Intel and Microsoft did in the 90s? There's nothing wrong with winning.
>>740048604>/v/ is now ok with "you will own nothing, and you will be happy" because it's nvidia
>>740048680Being the biggest company don't make you able to force every corporation on the planet to adopt your shit.Specially ones with murdering intent like boeing or palantir or monsanto.You can accept like a good goy, but boeing is 5 minutes away from every mafioso under the book.
>>740048796Except you do own it. You've thoughtlessly fried your brain on internet memes and phrases. The chip can run giant LLMs locally, the opposite of dependence on centralised computing.
>>740048885When you're THAT big, you can. The extreme wealth and market power of Nvidia is unprecedented.
Jensen wants Denuvo and anti-cheat shit integrated into it btw
>>740045361https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQyou gave me instant PTSD'nam flashback to this.
Could be a blessing in disguise.>Nvidia goes on their apple mac spyware laden all-in-one journey >China inherits the legacy computing industry>conaumers shift towards China
>>740048994>integrated into itNo, you misread a headline Temporary software is not being implemented in hardware
>>740045037>ARMCan't even do my job on this
>>740048897>Except you do own ituntil you sell it so you can buy the 2028 model, to play the new game that locks you out of your current model instead of letting you play at lower fps because it only has 6 AVX-512 registers instead of 10, or to use the new LLM for your gooner hentai because it needs 384GB RAM and you only have 320GB
>>740049037where's the blessing in that?
>>740049134Yes, the world keeps turning. Nothing stops you performing to yesterday's standards on your old hardware that you own.
>>740046403>more expensive than Apple's most expensivemy apple laptop that I'm posting from right now with the same amount of unified memory as that was a bit morethis was with the education discount
>>740049053You believe that? Lmao. He said they're working with them (as to be expected), BUT wants to further improve cooperation in the future and it's not like Nvidia has a good track record of being pro-average Joe
>>740046403>gaming PCs x86 and ARM from Nvidia, AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm will all cost between $1000-$5000 while DIY gaming PCs dieMan, PC gaming is fucked
>>740045037Is it a personal computer if nothing stays personal on it?
>>740046403wait that's not even a laptopthat's just a MacBook pictured next to it
>>740049334>Is it a personal computer if nothing stays personal on it?yes
>>740049414no, its just a home computer.>>740049334only linux is Personal Computers now.
>>740045710it's a computer but as locked down as your mobile phone. you won't be able to replace parts but if a switch 2 emulator ever releases you shouldn't have problems running it due to the insane shared memory for AI loooooooool
>>740049334The chip runs large models locally, that's the point. It's the opposite of a thin client.
>>740049505>no, its just a home computer...if it's being used at home. It's a Personal Computer regardless of where it's being used, some home computer is less accurate. Also, you can have servers at home, so it's just a bad term to start with.
>>740049506Every time I need a new computer I just buy entirely new parts because all my shit is super outdated by that point. Is that not going to be the case anymore? If it is, then why do I care about this? As long as I can still replace the keyboard/monitor/mouse I'm fine.
>>740049550>some home computer is less accurate.so home computer is less accurate.
>>740049245perhaps you're not understanding the part where "being able to play new games on lower settings" turns to "not being able to play new games at all"
>>740048994Denuvo doesn't need to be integrated into PCs like this because these PCs can come with hardware attestation just like android. Windows computers already basically all have a TPM model which is the same thought process as the TEE shit in android. You won't have to worry about Denuvo but you also won't be able to install or pirate anything that you want to install in the future. The revanced lead dev was also talking about chrome trying to force web attestation as well which would also prevent people running custom clients for websites.
>>740049573well nothing changes if it doesn't take off. plus this device is supeeer fucking expensive >For perspective, Nvidia’s DGX Spark features 128GB of RAM, and can be priced from $3,499 to $4,699, depending on the model. Microsoft also told us its own RTX Spark product, the Surface Laptop Ultra, will be the company’s most powerful model yet, a sign it won't be cheap. Your average person definitely isn't going to buy this. It's for the AI bros and/or whales.
>>740048604>Pointless to prop up losers>Apple is still going strong because they compete and lead the marketAre you not aware that Apple was a loser that had to be propped up by Microsoft to avoid antitrust issues? Propping up losers is the only reason we have a smidgen of competition left.
>>740045505My PC is already gaming capable hardware the fuck are you on?
>>740049506>emulatorYou will only be able to install approved apps from the microslop store the same way that iPhones can only install approved apps from the app store. Remember it's all for your own good.
>>740049550its not "personal computer" if its "corporate dictated computer" now is it? learn to read nigga. I know you people are dyslexic and shit.
>>740049605You'll need to switch to an ARM PC, but from there it should be more or less the same as PC gaming has always been. At some point your set up is outpaced by AAA demands and you need to upgrade.
>>740045581The real endgame is we all go back to dumb terminals and rent compute power from the local datacenter for a Reasonable Monthly Fee™
>>740049693$5'000 computer from Nvidia for AI porn that reports back to home base for nasty AI shit. LOL.
>>740049861>its not "personal computer" if its "corporate dictated computer" now is it?it is if it's a personal computer that is corporate dictatedyou seem to be reading that as some kind of endorsement, which is probably why you have difficulty understanding
>>740049862an Nvidia walled garden PC ecosystem will not operate the way the current one does
>>740049697Okay, throw your money into failing companies then. No one buys a discrete AMD GPU any more for good reason, and haven't for a decade. The market reveals consumer preferences.
>>740049858I can't put loonix on it? Or windows 7/10?
>>740045037It yours for just 10 thousand american shekels.
>>740049862"Upgrade" in this case means "buy an entirely new system" because everything is integrated into a single monolithic SoC.Need more RAM? Want a more powerful GPU or CPU? Sorry bucko, it's all a single chip that's soldered directly to the motherboard, gonna have to get an all new computer for 5 grand.
>>740049958>X can't be y if Y opposes X.you really are illogical semantics faggot who doesn't understand basic logic. Are you circumcised perhaps? do you believe 2+2=5 because state said so?
>>740049981You're complaining that it will advance too quickly for you to be able to keep pace (make capital investments) with. IDK what to tell you, reduce your expectations of what your budget can entitle you to, or be less neurotic about the lifespan of your toaster. The world and tech development isn't going to pause for you.
>>740049940>buying multiple $5000 AI laptops from Nvidia and only playing hardcore sissy hypno on them so that my laptop's (now sissified) AI reports back to home base and infects the entire company with its horrific, perverted personality
>>740050090Yes. Modularity is dead.
>>740050038ARM has locked down BIOS and bootloaders by design for (((safety)))
>>740045650>>740045037They already did PC2.
>>740050168i'm complaining that a full-stack hardware monopoly ecosystem allows the sole vendor to artificially set both the prices and the pace of hardware-software compatibility segmentation
>>740050224Sounds gay but there's probably a way around it
Me when I glue everything onto each other.
>>740050176>AI Corruption Fetishists love this ONE SIMPLE TRICK
>>740050105>you really are illogical semantics faggot who doesn't understand basic logic.projection>Are you circumcised perhaps?nope>do you believe 2+2=5 because state said so?no, but it sounds like you would
>>740045710It's basically destroying hardware modularity for PC. Software is going to be iffy since it's ARM.
>>740050291It's faster and more efficient this way. Modularity is holding PCs back.
>>740050330wrong, its no longer my computer if the OS corporation can just bust my computer down for whatever reason they want.
>>740050268Monopolies are incredibly easy to regulate as they as a lone target. The main hypothetical issue is lack of innovation and constraint of supply because of lack of market pressure: neither of which are relevant here, lack of supply is entirely demand driven and pace of innovation is causing the problems, not lack of it. They're problems for the 2050s.
>>740050436>the thiel-palantir-trump ai technocracy will regulate nvidialollmao, even
>>740050401we're talking about if it's a personal computer or not, not who owns itnow I know you low IQ types, so next is where you (again) interpret that as an endorsement of hardware where you lack controlyou can't just roll up a bunch of different meanings into a single word and expect things to work smoothlydo you happen to be ESL?
>>740050518>>740050330>>740049958>>740049550give it a rest chaim
>>740050518>so next is where you (again) interpret that as an endorsement of hardware where you lack controlcalled it >>740050626
>>740049940Can I play games on it too? If yes then sold
*looks inside* it's a phone
>>740049224NTA, no idea, except that China doesn't seem to care about thought-crime censorship outside of their own niche political events, and don't care about piracy.They do hate porn though, that's a problem.
>>740050351Shalom
>>740050515Suck off the EU to do it
>>740045757Unironically this.
So its just a console that can do PC things at this point
>>740046401ARM is fake-open. Anyone can make it but they have to pay a license. It's barely better than x86 except AMD and Intel both make Qualcomm and mediatek look like jokes.ARM also kind of sucks. It's good on mobile because it is power efficient but it loses hard to x86 when you need big strong cores(like games) not a bunch of weak ones(like a server). After ~35-50 watts they lose to x86 for example. No one has made an ARM core that competes with x86 in a core to core comparisons using the same level of lithography. Apple chips only compete by using more expensive lithography not a better designed chip.
>>740046545This, plus I hate AI on a conceptual level.
>>740045037ARM truly is the future. is more compact, faster data transfers, more efficient, etc. it's literally PC 2. The problem is that it's hard to develop but if they can manage to do it at affordable prices (lmao), then in the next 10 years we can probably make the switch to it.
You're all stupid, this isn't a replacement to x86, what's actually happening is PC companies agreed to stop making DIY GPUs and started buying up RAM and SSD for AI. Nvidia's, AMD's, Intel's, and Qualcomm's goal is to kill off the DIY PC disguised as a war between x86 vs ARM on efficiency. PC gaming is becoming prebuilds going forward (desktops, laptops, handhelds). There will be special prebuilds either powered by SteamOS or has the Xbox Helix chip in them. Valve and Microsoft will make reference prebuilds (Valve: Steam Machine, Steam Frame, Steam Deck 2) (Microsoft: Xbox Helix, Xbox Helix OEM handheld that they co-developed). All of these with cost between $1000-$5000. Older PCs will be forced to use the cloud for gaming with limits applied. And yes, Valve is very much a part of this too. This is the future of PC gaming, enjoy.
>>740051897Source: My Ass
>>740052105Source is looking where the wind is blowing for PC gaming. It simply all makes sense now.
>>740051897>Valve prebuilt>Linux on ARM when it can barely be a regular desktop PCLMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>740052215Same thing as ram price fixing, bitcoin, covid, supply issues, tariffs, ect, ect, ectPrices have already plateaued and are starting to creep downBig fucking nothing burger, in less than 2 years everything will be dirt cheap again
>>740052329That isn't going to stop them from killing GPUs for APUs.
>>740045037>chinkboxes>the futurelol
>>740047194This. Games in current year don't look any better than anything from 10 years ago. Not in any sort of significant way that warrants upgrading beyond the GTX 1650 threshold. Retarded DEI devs and jews just can't optimize their games for shit.
THIS fat nerd has ruined PC discussions with his clickbait doomposting bullshit "conspiracies" geared to get normies to buy his merchandise and support his failing youtube channel
Fuck this fucking dead ass cheapskate platform, shoukd have never taken /v/s advice to build a pc. Even digit I move to playstation, odd i move to xbox
>>740052604it'd be fine to make shit clickbait videos but people having zero media literacy or critical thought ability mean the some discussions are traaash
>>740052468Who is "them" you schizo retard?
>>740052547Are you retarded, devs don't make any decisions. It's the MBAs in suits from the big4 consulting firms that run companies and they don't care about optimisation because it doesn't make money. They only care about AI and shipping the project faster.
>>740052734I doubt browns and foids can optimize properly even if told to regardless.
>>740045505because it's shitand you're stupid for being excited by a bit of shit
>>740052729((them))
>>740045505Nigger they're doing that shit right now
>>740046010>windowsautomatic failure>njudeacancer that everyone needs to avoidarm socs running linux have been a thing forever and are what power the best chinkhelds on the market, and said chinkhelds with arm socs running linux is all anyone even needs for real actual gaming aka not faggot nigger modern walking simulator visual novel dating sim in unstraight troongine "gaming"
>>740052604He sounds based
>>740046091i have 4 machines currently, one that's been my daily driver for the past 10 years, and 3 waiting in the wings that are all more powerful and recent than the last
>>740053321Give me one
>>740046465enjoy breathing in the colorless odorless fatal gas
>>740047190fund it.release the winnie the pooh memes in taiwanese stockpile
So PC are gonna turn into yet another console where you won't be able to run anything older than a few years because it doesn't support the new shitty architecture?
>>740045037>here's your ai box, goyi feel like we took a wrong turn a few decades ago...
>>740047450windows on x86 already sucks bigger donkey dick, so
>>740048765>Like Intel and Microsoft did in the 90s?and it was utter dogshit
>>740047580i lost all interest in the steam machine when i found out it's gonna be in x86 instead of arm, not sure why gaben missed the memo that x86 is a dead dogshit architecture
>>740049224westoidals being removed from the personal computing market is always a good thingTOTAL KIKE DEATH
>>740049510cool, first forced uefi, now forced aislop jeetshit, less than worthless dogshit, full-on detrimental
>>740049862no one with a brain gives a shit about triple gay demands
>>740052229linux on arm is already superior to winblows x80shits "pc"s
>>740054021sounds perfect for /v/
>>740054021then it has no reason to exist
>>740049862Hmm. No. Try again.
>>740054365well that would be why this goybox is being shilled here right now, isn't it?
>>740045712Not the brightest bulb in the bunch.
>>740054861It's based
>>740049858>You will only be able to install approved apps from the microslop store the same way that iPhones can only install approved apps from the app storeiphones now have alternative stores in Europe, while google is locking android to make it run certified apps only also people were running emulators on iphones since the very beginning
>>740056061That's not the issue anon, both ARM and IOS are locked down for "security", you can't just install linux unless manufacturer provide unlocked bootloader.And most don't.
>>740056554I know, but anon said >You will only be able to install approved appslike it has anything to do with the ARM architecture.Also they ported Linux to ARM macs for what it's worth.
>ARMkek what the fuck
I know we're all epic hardasses here but this is really fucking badI've been dreading this ever since the Apple M1, I knew in my bones that everyone else would want to get in on that cancerIf this concept takes off, then eventually markets will wither so that you'll never again be able to buy>RAM>a CPU>a video card>an SSDYou'll get what's soldered to the computer you bought in the first place, and that's itAnd that's before you even get into the walled garden, where said computer really, really doesn't want you to install or run anything unless you're getting it directly from the Microsoft App StoreAnd of course since it's a fresh new architecture, if all of the developers jump to it then existing x86 software will just wither away into nothingI know (you) are super based and a epic nerd and it's not your problem but the worst case scenario is that the entire concept of repairing, upgrading and freely operating a PC becomes as niche as, say, being on fucking IRC or Usenet is right now
>>740046575>cannot affordYou seem to have missed the memo. This is no longer a matter of affordability, but of availability. The average goy will not be sold personal computing hardware anymore, because it won't be made. Come eight or ten years and most existing PC hardware will die and with no new parts being made, this will spell the end of the era of personal computing for most.
>>740048604>If some other company can outperform them then let them do itThe US government doesn't think so, what with all the anti-Chinese regulations.
>>740045505>Nvidia>Capable
>>740049037>>740058586Nigger China literally blocks 90% of the internet at the DNS level already What the fuck are you smoking to think they'll be champions of freedom
>>740045656wouldn`t the corn be the least disgusting bit?
>>740058514At the price point they are gonna ask for this shit I wouldn't be worried too much. Worry when they have something isn't gonna cost thousands of bucks. THAT'S when shit is gonna get fucked.
>>740058707I never said they would be champions of freedom, I was referring to market competition. It's very obvious that with how entangled with the US government Nvidia has become, it has become able to influence the process of legislature, so it can now legislate against competition to prevent its monopoly from being broken apart by legitimate competition in a free market environment.This is a clear rebuttal of what that anon had been saying. Your response to me has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
If anyone wants a whitepill, Sony has already contracted AMD for new Ryzen CPUs for the PlayStation 6 (it's nowhere near out yet but that would have to be one of the first things they lock in long before production)This means that worst case scenario, developers will continue publishing for x86 architectures until at least 2035
>>740058938>implying sony has games
>>740059073Sony has multiplatsAnd anything published for the PS6 will be very easily ported to a real x86 computer, so the new cancer can't take over the world yet
>>740045037>no support for any older applications>impossible to replace any individual part like the RAM etc.>Njudea already said they're going to integrate anticheat solutions into it so you get hardware level spywareI should be excited about this why, exactly? Apple did the same thing and it was also gay. At least you can install Linux on some of those Apple ARM devices but software support is fucked anyway unless you only want to run the newest goyware. There are plenty of older emulators that simply do not have ARM builds because they weren't updated for a few years. I can see the appeal for laptops etc. due to lower temps or power consumption but this doesn't benefit desktops at all. And even then I'd rather have loud fans in my laptop than being unable to replace the RAM in it(I know some kikes already solder the RAM to the board, those don't count). Kill Njudea, kill Apple, all of them.
>>740045037>>740058938>>740059148It won't be a standard anyway. Just like Mac
>yet another FUD by consolecucksYou guys really are just crabs hoping to pull others into your pit of corporate-mandated misery. Fucking sad.
>>740059158>>740059167>>740059224Apple inflicted it on all of their hundred million cuck Mac users, and most importantly they got away with it and were largely supported in itAny other tech company would envy them and want to copy that nightmare
>>740059167It will be eventually, but this won't be what makes it one. It's simply going to be too expensive for the unwashed masses. You need a shitbox that is priced around 1k at most for mass adoption.
>>740045037>Fan dies>Replacing it triggers a drm that bricks the whole thing
>>740045712i work in an IT department.we've had to outlaw ANY use of surfaces, snapdragon CPUs, chromebooks, anything other than PC or Mac (begrudgingly) we're litearlly not allowed to assist with, because we sunk MONTHS into getting a sample fleet of devices working with the network, and lost LITERALY millions of dollars worth of manhours when the fucking qualcomm piece of shits mangled the entire synergetic database because you basically cannot manually install drivers, and the old version would just place their log dumps on crash into WHATEVER sql link is open at the time, and the fucking windows updates would keep installing the old drivers on hibernation.all because one asshole in accounts got a good deal on them post back to school sales.so yes, having ANOTHER seperate system retards will refuse to upkeep is going to be a nightmare.i want 'capable hardware', but i want properly supported ecosystems more.
>>740059383Just buy another one. You aren't poor right? You guys have phones right?
>>740059338And Apple got away with it because they're a walled garden that you ahvr to pay to get into. Sony and Nintendo will copy them for the same reasons. PC as a general platform wont give a fuck.
>>740059526>Buy a new one>Now registers two devices in one source>Bricks due to "suspicious behaviour">Needs official tech support to "unlock". Not free.
>>740045710What everyone is ignoring to say is that the unified ram means you can run very large AI models on it the way people are using Mac studios atm
>>740060279well, you could run them on a desktop pc with 128gb ram tooThe unified memory is ddr5, but low wattage. Maybe its faster idk, and its portable obviously.in general the laptop is somewhat middling release, some pros might find it attractive, most wont and it'll be priced outside of 99% of consumers range
>>740058938They're not dropping x86, they're killing DIY PCs. They no longer want you building your own PCs, they'll do that for you now. The PS6 will cost $800, but the PS6 handheld will cost $500. Sony's fine, they and Nintendo be fine next gen. Console gaming is theirs now.
>>740060279unified RAM means that you are running those models like absolute shit compared to having an actual graphics card with vram. buying something like this is the equivalent of paying an extra 2000 dollars for 128 GB of RAM that is worth a total of 400-600 USD at most.
>>740060905That change jackshit for laptops.
idgi why even get something like this? why not develop your own cmos lithography system to be compatible with niobium titanium nitride and develop Josephson junctions and Wilkson power dividers to form a processing unit that has picosecond switching speeds? you'd end up with a system that's 1000x more performant than any silicon counterpart.
>>740061176no engineer has scried the runes for such lithography and they are not going to
>>740053289Because your a mouthbreathing moron normie thats whyHis target audience
>>740045037>Less power consumption >Desktop performance >Small form factor Yeah it's trash
So what>force AI into everything>drive up normal PC component prices to the point it's a struggle to afford even a low end PC>build a monthly lease box you don't own for cloud bullshit>try and trick people into thinking it's the norm or the hot new way to go>instead of owning a PC for 1-3k depending on your budget and goals, you now spend thrice that a year renting a device that spies on you, is heavily censored, impossible to hide ads on, and overall turn you into the product.No thanks.
>>740060905>they're killing DIY PCs. They no longer want you building your own PCs, they'll do that for you now.>Sony's fine, they and Nintendo be fine next genSo yeah, consolefags are tech-illiterate luddites
>>740045710It looks like a PC version of a console, which is gay as fuck. Glad the hardware in my rig is still going strong even though it's 4 years old now. I'll probably only need to upgrade the gfx card, which will suck considering the prices.There's no way I'm transitioning to this faggy cuck box.
>>740061345>get custom chips directly from Nvidia and AMD getting lower prices>bulk spend on RAM and SSD>able divert the price on to older hardware and accessories>can raise the price of their online>can subsidize using both the store and online and take a small loss>sell much console units and games they can offset the issue entirely>handhelds using built-in LPDDR5XYeah, they're fine.
>>740045037>gaming pcThese "PCs" have an ARM architecture and are therefore useless for gaming, Ranjeet. How many times do we have to repeat this?
>>740061463>They'll work out amazing contracts to make Nvidia kneel instead of the other way around!>And rhey can raise online prices to milk their cattle harder!>And they can raise console prices too! That'll offset the issue once they sell a gorillion units!Just look at all that hope, cope and mental gymnastics lol. You're not even trying to hide the fact that you're praying for their sake now as everything you've said is futuristic speculation
>PC 2.0 electric boogaloo>Now with non upgradeable cpu and gpu>And with an expiry date of driver and OS support of 6 yearsThe absolute utmost state...
>>740061532You'll have to repeat it over and over until he gets reassigned to shitpost about SKG. God I hate Hiroshimoot for not rangebanning these rats
>>740061532It should actually be time we finally ditch the old x86 and bring everything to arm processors.
>>740045581>So basically all future games will be built for ARM pcsWe are years, maybe even decades, away from ARM replacing x86. That said, just sit this discussion out, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>740061735and it only support specific gamesisnt it great?
>>740061767arm is dogshit kikeware. fuck off.
>>740061782Videogames are already made for the shittendo switch which uses an arm processor. All it takes would be for majority of hardware to be arm and everything would be made for it.
>>740061767I don't disagree, but this would take years.
So in the end the mustard race will lose to consoles by essentially becoming just another brand of console cucks?
>>740045581The manufacturing industry will never allow it
>>740045037I swear this is some conspiracy. All the big companies always try to release the exact same shitty product at the exact same time.
only reason x84/amd64 does not suck is because of licensing written in the 80'sthere's no such thing for ARMswitching to ARM is a terrible idea, that will lead to walled gardens, shitty preinstalled OSes you cannot change yourself and installing software being limited to app-store only
>>740061929>manufacturing industryNVidia will become a monopoly in 10 years.
>>740061816Arm gives better processing power per wat, physically smaller form factor and less overheating. It's actually a game change, the only problem is that x86 is already too popular and tested to be ditched for a new architecture. That's why for now it's mostly just used for portable devices.>>740061871Even Apple completely switched to custom made arm processors. The benefits of having 1 architecture for everything would be amazing. No more compatibility issues and emulation. You can run any software (including videogames) on ANY device you want as long as it's powerful enough.
>>740045581yep and we're getting to the point where "legacy" computing will no longer be allowed on the internet.
>>740061652It's over for PC gaming, man, consoles won. The PS6 may be $800, but the Switch 2 and the PS6 handheld being just $500 is going to be a steal.
>>740061796Can't wait to jump straight on it, I literally only play them new AAA multiplayer slop games, so this is my perfect computer.I'm thankful my girlfriend's husband will buy one for me and our adopted negro son.
>year 2046>GTA 7 ARM is 2000$>Spider-Slop 3 ARM is 1500$>Internet ARM is 800$
>>740062082>Even Apple completely switched to custom made arm processors.Apple has tiny ecosystems of laptops. Literally everything runs on X86 from bank servers to elevators. A complete switch to ARM would take decades.
>>740046401>And the downsides?It's more ram but the ram is slower. Like the LLM version of this fits larger models than a GPU. But if a model fits inside the GPU the GPU completely dominates it.
>>740063348i feel like i could get more tokens on my cpu than the spark but i dont want to download 70b llama just to check
>>740062154>It's over for PC gaming, man, consoles wonRight. This time for sure. Handhelds of all things are going to kill PC gaming. You're totally not OD'ing on copium right now.
>>740045505Jew shillWHY ARENT YOU ALL DEEPTHROATING THE BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES
>>740046197Nintendo moving to Arm with the Switch 1 was the smartest move. Sony should have done it with the PS4 but now we'll suffer the consequences in the future when they inevitably move to Arm and drop compatibility with PS4-5-6 games on the PS7.
>>740045037I know to little about it to be mad or happy .Pc needed a new jump, gpu's were at their max with only the coolers getting bigger to be able to push upgrades forward. Also a tiny ass footprint is cool.But its ai and they are working with MS so thats a red flag.
>>740064281Nope, the Switch 2 and PS6 handheld will be the only affordable gaming devices next gen, everything else will be $800+.
>>740045797>obsessed about freedom with PC>has a poorfag PC which barely runs youtubecrying fuck
>hyping the shit out of yet another walled gardenat least its not rented gpu's i guess. though im sure they will have some kind of subscription or something later on
Maybe they should have made sure that the rtx stuff isn't shat on by 10 year old games before trying to sell a rtx PC. Why would I buy the "looks worse than arkham knight - machine"?
reminder that arm is literally designed for goyim and its positive reputation is a psyop
>Nvidia claims this adds up to "a new personal computing paradigm where AI is the UX" and "users no longer need to master complicated app UIs" because you'll just talk to your PC instead of needing to use mouse and keyboard.
What's the matter, /v/? You bought several Nvidia GPUs and Switches because you wanted this future, right?
>>740045037>gaming pcguys, this thing is for a niche audience with very deep pockets who usually buys apple products, it will never ever become a mainstream choice. I'd be surprised if they price this chip under $4000.
>>740065802ok sure but can i fuck it?
>>740045037kill yourself
>>740051505>The problem is that it's hard to develop but if they can manage to do it at affordable prices (lmao)vibe coding already fixed this.
>>740065802Kill jester.
>>740046457Happened I think with the 4080's when they didn't increase the pin count so the cables started melting or catching fire or something I can't remember anymore. Point is it was the talk of the town when it happened.
>>740066352I forgot the picture.
>>740066439sorry wrong pic
>>740045607This is literally everything I predicted since the first ram shortage was reported.They're making Nu-computers which can barely do shit by themselves, but their main purpose is to connect to the big datacenter for the Rent-a-PC so that you're always being surveilled while using the computer, because you have to use remote computing.It's a death sentence to modding and piracy, and playing games on local hardware. This is a big scam, that's turning home owned computers into something you lease and connect to remotely, and the PS6 or PS7 is also going to be a Cloud-Only console. The only problem they needed to solve was "how do we get people to use an interface with a screen that they feel like they own" and this is their answer.
>>740045037This isn't a gaming PC btw, it's a local AI box and it costs around $100,000 burger buxOP is just ragebaiting. Your next PC won't cost $100k, only around $10k.
>>740066493>t.skill issues
>>740066439This is so retarded.Wow our AI puking themselves is driving up traffic and energy use x200 what an innovation.
>>740066521that's a funny meltdown considering it's something you can't afford, aren't being forced to buy and isn't a gaming pc in the first place.
>>740046401>And the downsides?completely locked down
>>740064992poorfag PCs can be upgraded and still have way more freedom than any console or arm turd, there is no binary rich and poor in PC gaming. stop being retardedalso, unless you're playing the latest AAA slopfests then a 7 year old CPU + GPU is plenty enough for most other games + everything released in the last 20 years
>>740066562using ai is indeed a skill issue
>>740066609>freedomwhat freedom are you doing on your PC
>>740066572lol
>>740066609>also, unless you're playing the latest AAA slopfests then a 7 year old CPU + GPU is plenty enough for most other games + everything released in the last 20 yearsLOL. You're a literal poorfag
>>740066619nobody is waiting for you to write your perfect 3 lines of code per day in an agentic age.
>>740066690Ok then don't be surprised when customers start refunding your slop because it barely works
>>740066632>use whatever OS I want>shitposting>emulators>offline documents and files>photo / video / music editing>3D modelling>use any gaming peripheral in existence>use any console's official controller if I want tocome on man it's not hard
>>740066681i have a 9-5 job. i have yet to encounter a game that will force me to upgrade, and i'm very comfy playing what i have always been playing. local AI stuff is nice but it still pales in comparison to using full models on cloud.
>>740045037I already own two, they're neat
>>740066632Running any software I choose, and having the opportunity to make my own.
>>740066853So what part of your freedoms list do you think RTX spark can't do?
>>740066970You can't run any software you choose though. You can't run for eg Logic Pro outside of Apple. There's hardware which will not run on Linux. There's new software and hardware which won't run on older versions of Windows and vice versa. Your freedom is imaginary.
So that means prices will rise up for everything using parts...again.Getting everything I needed at just the right time was a rare good move on my part.
>>740066958Whatever. You're still a poorfag
>>740067072So is my country no longer free because I can't just go hang out in North Korea? Apple software being locked to their walled garden is the problem that should be avoided.
>>740067175>posts the most retarded irrelevant reply tit
>>740067201Brown response.
>>740067072>There's hardware which will not run on Linux. There's new software and hardware which won't run on older versions of Windows and vice versadual boot or use a vm
>>740067249>spark will remove my freedom>can't back up what it actually means >instantly jumps to calling nigger typical dumbfuck
>>740067146and you're consoomer goycattlegood day
I might sound like a dummy but if this ever became the "standards" won't that make almost every single games unplayable normally on these? older games won't even be able to push patches.
>>740067259>just dual boot>because that changes the hardware
>>740067308goodbye poorfag
>>740049037not happening, chang. kill yourself.
>>740045037Another step towards a dystopian cyberpunk future where you're forcefully priced out of PCs and the same people who caused that install a terminal in your goycage that lets you utilize their advanced AI model at the low cost of $100/month.
>>740067292You act like a nigger. You can't follow simple logic.Apple's hardware is a complete walled garden. Of course you can't run it, because they design it that way. Other software is not designed in such a way, and if it is it's just as bad. Why should everyone succumb to being nigger cattle just because Apple already did that to their userbase? To claim freedom doesn't exist because it doesn't on Apple's hardware is nonsense.
I'm just going to take up aquaculture and raise fancy cherry shrimp. The digital hobby is scuffed beyond belief.
So what is going to happen to the people who already own a PC? This should be a good pick for consolefags, no?
>>740067415Why not answer the question of what freedom is spark not allowing you to do rather than rattle on your inane bullshit tangent in order to deflect your retarded initial point?
>>740067421Alright. I'll be Bubba and you can be Forest Gump.
>>740067459Nvidia will dump trillions of dollars into forcing every studio to adopt this new architecture, while abandoning the current one.
>>740046403>90-days DGX Spark License>it is 4500$ after that for 1 year license, or your laptop is a paperweight lol, just lol
>>740045581>So basically all future games will be built for ARMNah, there will be stagnation instead. Unless nvidia bankrolls them, most of the studios aren't making games that only 1% of the market will be able to run.
>>740067365dual booting is a property of freedoms the hardware affords yousomething you don't get on armcuck shit
>>740067484The freedom to not live within a walled garden.
Why poorscum crying all the time?
>>740045656Nvidia could serve you everything you'd ever wanted on a golden platter tomorrow and you'd still froth at the mouth that they're an evil AI slop company because your favorite e-daddy told you so. Gamers are ungrateful and Jen-Hsung, Lisa and Lip-Bu need to stop serving (You), period. You don't deserve shit, you're the worst customer one could imagine. Meanwhile the datacenter customer not only likes the new offerings, he has actual money to spend. Keep seething, you no longer matter.
>>740045505Fuck yourself shill
>>740045885Why do you care? What do you think you are doing here?
>>740067521They already get bankrolled to shove in RTX and target latest-gen GPUs.
>>740067530I dual boot on this PC i'm on now. I'm not from USA. Dual booting doesn't change the incompatible hardware. Your freedom is imaginary
>>740067535What walled garden? Who said it was a walled garden, Nvidia haven't?
i didn't bother to look too much into these, but if they are small enough that I can just carry one around, it seems pretty convenient
>>740067550What we all want is reasonably optimized hardware at reasonable prices and that let me have all my fredoms, that goes against the globohomo dogma hence we will never get what we want.
>>740063348Spark is badly misguided, Nvidia sells it as a entryway to their huge datacenter systems, the software stack of the DGX Spark is the exact same but the hardware is weaker. But they're too far gone in their enterprise bubble so what they're offering is bad value for the home enthusiast. RAM is expensive? Cool, look at the competition's offerings in the segment and make sure you're offering more value than just more RAM, like a decent amount of compute for the big models you can run on it.
>heh, you can't run linux on an iphone?>that means you can't do it anywhere else, i win
>>740067678are you always this much of a passive aggressive faggot?
>>740067637It's a half assed attempt at Ryzen AI Max
>>740045581>give up gamingthe games released before 2000 alone are enough to last you for a lifetime
>>740067610no it's not, linux is freedom and you also have the freedom to dual boot windows for the incompatible casesapple's software is fucking shit and they're deliberately blocking everything, they're the antithesis of it
>>740067717Only when I see you post.
>no reason to use a pc anymoreAt last I'll finally be free.
I wish. Fuckers keeps making these expensive paperweight that can't run any fucking models and selling them like they are the future of local AI for 3k.Just sell me a 10k brick with 1 tb of ram and decent flops and ram speed or fuck off
>>740067734That anon is a retard claiming that you have no freedom because you can't install Apple software.
>>740067723>>740059454>you basically cannot manually install driversWow you are retarded
>>740067734>Linux is freedom is it fuck. I had a recording studio and wanted to switch to linux. 50% of the hardware wouldn't run. 30% of my software wouldn't run. Using Linux is removing freedom.
This thread is botted to hell fuck you all
>>740067649So you don't even know what you want and you only want to be perpetually mad about the "globohomo dogma".What freedoms? I think owning your hardware and being able to run it with nothing but a steady supply of AC is pretty free and we had that for decades."Reasonably optimized"? Bitch about game developers constantly wasting the unprecedented levels of available compute instead of bitching about the GPU manufacturers since that's the trendy thing to do.Reasonable prices is the only thing that you could complain, but here's the kicker: you don't have to upgrade every year. Nor do you have to buy new. I bought a used 3090 before the pricing went AWOL and it's serving me insanely well, it runs any vidya I'd want at good performance and I don't feel like I need to buy the newest and greatest now or I'll bitch about Nvidia or AMD or Intel not giving me what I want, and what I'd ideally want is freebies.Like I said, gamers are entitled, ungrateful pricks that don't even know what they want. All they've been told by mongoloids like Steve Burke to be mad and angry and fling shit like an ape. Gamers will be their own undoing, not the AI market.
>>740045037>5000$lollmao
>>740067801do you know how computers work, you fucking idiot?linux isn't at fault for goycorps not supporting it
>>740067845not being supported is not working you stupid cunt
>>740067821At first, I thought he was just some pedantic autist. But now, I think he might be a genuine Nvidia shill.
I am so sick of these goddamn astroturfing companies pretending to be normal anons in order to suck the globohomo agenda.
>>740067879>linux isn't free because there are entities that hate it and don't support ityou're fucking goycattle
Why would anyone buy this over AI Max from other IHV
>>740067931that isn't what was posted. >switch to linux , it's freedomIt simply doesn't work with a lot of hardware and software. Fuck, it doesn't even play a large portion of games. You fucks only use it so you can stash your CP and feel safe
>>740067845You know what else is freedom? Abandoning electronics and living a life outside of them. Sounds way more productive than developing a Stockholm syndrome by using a half-assed OS that isn't production ready and constantly convincing yourself it's "as good, if not better".
>>740068047AI will take your job, and I can't wait.
>>740068047>You know what else is freedom? Abandoning electronics and living a life outside of them>he says in a /v/ threadAlright, take your own advice and leave this place once and for all
>>740068047Look alive Kaczynski
>>740067993>It simply doesn't work with a lot of hardware and software. and those explicitly don't care about freedom yet you're fighting on their side>Fuck, it doesn't even play a large portion of gamessame as above, those insist on injecting spyware and you don't mind since you're fucking goycattle>>740068047just say you got filtered by linux instead
>>7400681252 more weeks, rajeet?
>>740068163>he can't readunsurprising>>740068197Just admit that you can't compete with Windows as a product, and your tactic of ideological indoctrination made you the butt of jokes on the Internet that you are.
>>740068293but it can, the linux experience is much better and all its problems are now just externalyou have to literally be a fucking shill that defends corporations that fucking hate their users to find something to seethe about when it comes to linux
>>740068371linux is dogshit. it's unfinished and you're just a lying shill trying to get people to fall into the caca pit that you're stuck in.
>>740068415ok, so what are its problems that isn't you siding with corporations that hate their users?
>>740066438It's that shitty 12 pin cable where you somehow get all the current going through one wire and that burns it down
>>740068371>my experience is that of the entire world>if you disagree you're a paid shill>the only way you can compete with Linux is to pay shills to shittalk it it's so superior>I am superior I am superiorIt's cute that you're so far gone you lack any self-awareness.
>>740068415Nvidia users be like
>>740068498>told to name problems with linux that are actually caused by linux>can't name any
>>740046457You can undervolt AMD cards just like you can undervolt Nvidia cards. AMD cards are super efficient just look at handheld PCs or consoles they are doing 4k or Cyberpunk at 15-150w.
>>740066493>vibecoded file synchronizerWhat interesting times we live in.
>>740068449are you insane? you're comparing someone stealing my data while i use a functioning operating system, to a non-functioning operating system. where do you even begin with this? non-functioning drivers, nonexistent drivers, arbitrary breaking changes to most applications because of bleeding edge autists needing to modify shit every day. meanwhile a SANE person is using this so called botnet device to get shit done, all while not having to figure out why their network interface card stopped recieving packets and has to listen to faggots go "hurr you're not even tracing your traffic or adjusting your network topology? lolorz!". linux is a larp device at its core. nobody that does real work uses it. it's the equivalent of buying a busted car and mocking people driving to work while you wrench away endlessly on a complete shitheap.
>>740045037If you somehow endured the decline with 8, 10, and 11, just wait until 12 ships and all calls are translated to arm. The amount of incomprehensible bugs will soar. Plus, attestation and id verification for absolutely everything. Enjoy
>>740068608>non-functioning drivers, nonexistent driversand with that you've disqualified yourself, congratulationsif you want good drivers you need the hardware manufacturer to provide the blobs that can let people write those drivers which makes this an external issuetry again, maybe learn how to use the enter key this time
>>740068673Everyone's moving to Linux or Mac because Windows is too slow for everything now. AI, Datacenters, Gaming, MySQL, etc. Windows primary advantage is backwards compatibility but even they're losing that.
>>740045505I still own too much, you see
>>740068730see there it is. "oh you wanted a functioning car to go to work and not a rusty frame with hobbled together components? nah that's an external issue hurrdurr." linux is basically the clown makeup of tech hobbies. the moment you hear someone say that it works for them, you ask for their work and they show a riced out desktop environment exclusively for screenshits, but never anything being done on it. you are a larping jew pygmy goblin creature that needs to be fully degloved.
>>740053321Give me one niggerhoarder
>>740068547Lack of any standardization, which the "open and welcoming" Linux community calls a strength, means that no one wants to develop software for Linux. Do you write your software for X11? Wayland? If Wayland, what's up with having to handle the rendering protocols yourself? Debian? Arch? Fedora? Flatpak? AppImage? How the hell are you supposed to distribute your software? And I get yelled at if I say this is a bad thing? That I'm the problem? Okay, go fuck yourself then!Oh look, on Windows everything's been standardized for decades. DWM handles window rendering for me and I only have to compile for x86, x86-64 and Arm, with one and done packaging that'll work on every instance of this OS family. Wow, that's exactly how it should be!And before you cope, yes it is an inherent Linux issue. You can't expect support for your dinky little toy OS if you make it actively hostile for companies to develop software for your OS. Without software worth a shit to use, no one will care about your OS and it won't get any better, and the entire reason no one wants to use Linux is because Linux developers are allergic to doing things their way, they've huffed their farts so much they forget how they stink.Android is "Linux" and it took over the world. Why? The entire framework around the kernel is designed by sane people, and it incentivizes platform support. This is what (You) and the rest of your cultist friends will never admit you'd have to do to finally become relevant, so all you have left is impotent coping and seething.
>>740068608>meanwhile a SANE person is using this so called botnet device to get shit doneSo who cares if it has a botnet and only allows "authorized" software to be installed, atleast it gets shit done, right? This is actually the narrative the ARMtard wants to push. Fucking unbelievable.And btw, all computer programmers and codemonkeys use linux because being able to write your own code without MS looking over your shoulder or backseat driving is actually critical for a lot of their tasks.
>>740068863you bought a part that's known for the manufacturer hating their users and wanting to dictate how to use it and you're mad you can't just slot it into your caryes, external issue, you're a retard
>>740068928>it's let too much choice!!!! SAVE ME NIGGERMAN!!!do you shit yourself when you enter a supermarket and have to pick from multiple brands?
>>740069072>"too much choice is good">"you're stupid poopoo head if u cant handle it"Thanks for proving my point. Year of Linux Desktop never ever. Keep seething, and remember that the more (You) try convince people to switch to Linux, the more you make people hate it. Keep doing the good work.
>>740069148>the more you make people hate itare you going to pretend like its use hasn't doubled in the past year?the only people that hate it are complete fucking cattle too stupid for ityou got iq filtered where redditors succeded because of your fucking egoremember that
>>740069016keep shilling your potentialbox you bootlicking jew, you're totally not being blatant with your desperate defense for horrible functionality.>i can't slot it inthere isn't even a valid standard for that slot amongst you dumbasses. not only that but you're arguing against a pre-slotted variant that just works for 99% of normal people.>car has no engine? durr you can just make any engine you want stoopid! i saved so much money not having any features! *sharts*
>>740069239>you bootlicking jewwhat level of retardation is this? you're bootlicking jews that hate their users and want to see you raped in the winjeet cagelook in the fucking mirror you incompetent nigger
>>740045037>fp8Thats embarassingThis shit is tailored for ai, games will run worse than on 4080
>>740067072>You dont have freedoms on PC, stop whining.>1 hour later>>740069239>NO SAAR THAT DOESNT COUNT NOT CORPORATE STANDARD LINUX BAD SAAAAR!!!Watching paid shill narratives disintegrate into impotent seething never gets old.
>>740069209>I want my freedoms to do stuff on my PC so I use the OS which limits what I do on my PC it's a huge clown show and you're the star attraction
>>740069375what fucking cage my shit works and can be extended easily. full stop. meanwhile you are in a hellraiser dimension trying to make an unfinished OS finished while competing against your contemporaries with what feature should be added or removed lmao. worse than zero progress, but a flat out regression. you aren't a user, but a victim of delusions of grandeur taking a stance against the only organizations truly capable of making functional software because they don't care about making things open source. i laugh at the flosstard's selfmade, TRUE prison. a time prison. closed source gods keep winning.>>740069537>you have the freedom to wallow in despair eternally as all your convenient tools either don't exist or don't work! waoh! im already uninstalling windows!
>>740069537they're two different people.
>>740045857Then they could have called the third iteration Pi.C, truly a missed opportunity.
>>740069554again retard, it's not the OS that does thatwere you beaten as a child and developed stockholm syndrome? sounds like it with the retarded amount of victim blaming you have going around
>>740069554The best part about the freedom LARPers of the Linux world, they don't give a fuck about the freedoms they're given anyway. They don't read the source code before compiling, they are selective about when to bitch about binary blobs, of which the Linux kernel is full of, otherwise it wouldn't run on 95% of world's hardware, they don't go out of their way to make sure their hardware doesn't compromise their freedoms, they'll bitch and moan about big corpos even though half the code contributed to the Linux kernel comes from them and it would've been another GNU Hurd without them.All of these contradictions and double standards all so that they can run a web browser and shitpost online. Since that's all they ever do with their "free" desktops when you look closer.
>>740069574>it's not a cagehow old are you? i refuse to believe that anyone that has used windows 7 could possibly have this attitude
>>740069739>were you beaten as a child and developed stockholm syndrome?Said the guy that constantly deflects Linux's issues onto everyone but Linux, as Linux is the abusive husband and the anon is the battered wife.Really, your lack of self-awareness is amusing. Dance, monkey, dance!
>>740069739>if your software and hardware doesn't work then you just write the drivers yourself It's funny how each time you try and defend your position all you can do is make yourself look even more of a retard
>>740069818>Said the guy that constantly deflects Linux's issues onto everyone but Linux>linux's issues is when you're not forcing me to do things your way and your way onlyyou were beaten as a child>>740069887>if your software and hardware doesn't work then it means there's someone adamant about not making them work on linuxfixed that for you
>>740069815maybe stop perversely adhering to preconceived notions? people have done far more with so called "locked down cucked!" windows 7, 98, or whatever the fuck, than you ever will with linux and its boundless freedumbs.
>>740070019my notion is that you're a complete fucking newfag because i refuse to believe anyone could possibly have seen the golden age slip away and be replaced by an endless humiliation ritual courtesy of king jeet and his army of 18k jeets working at microsoftthat would be an insane degree of a humiliation fetish to have
>>740069976>fixed that for youwhy not fix the drivers instead, amdtroon.
>>740070085what are you even saying?
>>740070085nigger, do you think jeets haven't fucking touched linux or open sourced software? that's an even bigger humiliation ritual. python interpreters are mostly jeet code, and a bunch of other stuff. and now with fucking claude code it's over for most repositories. they're all flooded. closed source straight up is the only last bastion against full degradation. meanwhile every single open source repo fuels the fire.
>>740070251i told you this already, faggotyou can't guess your way into good drivers if the manufacturer of the fucking hardware doesn't accommodate for it by making the blobs completely open or if they don't fucking write them themselvesit's all completely on the manufacturer and no one else
>>740070363It's unsupported because nobody but troons and amd retards use linux and you're both the jokes of the planet.
>>740070393i'm glad that you finally conceded that it's not a problem anyone on linux is responsible for
>>740070363>linux is freedom to use whatever hardware and software you want>but that doesn't mean it'll work. it's down to the evil software and hardware companies to support itlol what the fuck is shit shit
>>740070287that you're either a stupid newfag or hate yourself>>740070328not even fucking close? linux is fucking tiny in india meanwhile microsoft hires 18k of them
>>740070459yes, that's how a high trust society works, retardeveryone trying to do their best by the communityi'm sorry that you're living in a shithole where you can't trust anyone
>>740070439>it's not linux fault nobody but troons and AMD retards use it so nobody gives a fuck about developing working drivers for it admit it. all you do is shitpost and read emails and play the 5 games which work ok on it
>>740070532>it's freedom to have a large portion of hardware and software simply not work ha ha ha shut up you fucking mong
>>740070564>regurgitates the same thing againdid you get stumped by the idea of a high trust society, londonjeet?
>>740070539>it's not linux's fault but it's okay, i hate linuxi'm glad you're honest
>>740070604still paranoid about getting steam scan your hardware incase they come across your CP on you linux / amd junk box you fucking nonce
>>740063348wow, that is actual fucking garbageis the entire purpose of this meme machine literally just to fleece dumb goyim who read "good at AI" and buy it without looking up the specs/performance at all?
>>740070669>just submit to the checkslondonjeet, that's a typical pedo line, they go on retarded baseless witch hunts to deflect from themselvesdid you submit to your age checks on your apple and snoy toy, londonjeet?
>>740070812>I use linux because it's secure>I'm too scared to allow steam to scan my pc for their hardware survey>MS scans the files on their OS so that's not secure all these steps to protect yourself and then you go and admit you're a fucking nonce anyway. I hope when you get lynched it gets posted on youtube
>>740045797>PC is about freedomI really hope you are using GNU/Linux and only playing libre games. Otherwise you're just a larper
>>740046176You can play sf6 on a phone, yesLook for gamenative
>>740070898>pedo londonjeet acts like the most common pedo defense isn't hiding in plain sight and trying to misdirect pedo hunts to people who want freedomdid you submit to starmer's age checks londonjeet? that's what you wanted, right?
>>740045505LOL why are you so pissy about people with ingenuity?
>>740071042You fucked up. All the paranoia about your OS and software and then you just admitted being a fucking nonce in the other thread. Dirty horrible creature. lol.
>>740045581Someone is going to start making CRTs to spite them and a new line of micro processing chips. All the schematics are already found in China anyways.
>>740071123londonjeet, pedos don't care about freedom, they do it out in the openjust like youthey also like hiding in plain sight and accusing people that refuse the surveillance state of being pedosjust like youyou deserve to be raided by starmer, londonjeet, you clearly have something
>>740071241>b-b-but youI know what you posted. You can try and deflect it all you like you fucking nonce.
>>740071282you have a lot more common with epstein than me, londonjeetstop trying to hide it, your anti linux cope is clearly projection
>>740071329>b-b-but youyou're a fucking nonce. I hope your neighbours find out
>>740071350>uses typical pedo tactici hope starmer raids you
>>740045581>some corponiggers make deals means the entire industry has to adopt their shitthat's how the world works retarded nigger
>>740071407Iook how your demeanour in your posting has suddenly changed. All your bravado has vanished in an instant Don't reply to me again you dirty horrible noncing twat
>>740071492>PLEASE STOP BULLYING ME FOR USING ACTUAL PEDO TACTICSlondonjeet, everyone on the internet before 2010 was wary like me, it's normalyou meanwhile are no different than fucking epstein, pretending like virtue signalling matters when in reality you diddle kids and don't use good opsec at allyou failed the pedo check by your own standards, accept it, londonpedojeet
>>740045037>locked down, proprietary AI shitbox with backdoored ARM CPU>starting at $5000
>>740071664And you will buy it.
>>740071696I don't think I ever will, nigger.
They have figured out that AI as a whole has a training ceiling and will also not be profitable once local hardware can give you 99% of the experience of data center AI and it's not economically viable to just not sell to consumers so they are forcing a PC market shift where they will be the new top player or at least can control the whole PC hardware market.
>>740071664>backdoored ARM CPU's: bad>backdoored x86 CPU's: goodthe duality of man
>>740072240much easier to remove the x86 backdoor and it also doesn't come with OS limitations that take forever to lift
>>740072240>backdoored ARM CPUs that emulates x86 is LE good>claims to be next gen still has old DDR5 memory in it, 128GB to exactly to *ahem* compesate the heavy loads>claims to be personal but is a fully locked own architecture with custom backdoorsYou ain't fooling anyone. In fact you keep all this shit to yourself.
>>740049781Trust me, not like this. This baby has MULTIPLE agents running in the background at all times, doing your digital chores for you.
>>740067793hey anon, look up any qualcom based snapdragon laptop, like a lenovo slim 5, or 7, which were the units we were asked to integrate.find for me, where you can get the official drivers without using the "automatically install through lenovo vantage", which will not let you update drivers if you're not in the current stage of the roll-out, even to fix a critical failure that lenovo themselves acknowledge as the cause of the issue, but are unable to supply you with the drivers, even through enterprise service ticket,s because you literally "cannot just run a driver update on arm64 based chips"maybe we got their service department on a bad day, maybe we just got 20 faulty devices, maybe one of our IT guys pissed in the lenovo technicians coffee 20 years ago, who knows.but trying to get industry standard software, which is working in 40 other companies of the same industry locally, should not lead to data corruption in a seperate database because poorly defined crash log pathing drop files in the last active websocket, and have the response be "its only on this range of devices, the fix is in the works, but this isn't usually an enterprise model"but at least we now get a say in tech purchasing after 6 years of this bullshit.
>>740045037>let's put a phone in a pc casealright so what's the point beyond supreme jank in a small form factor
>>740072983when everything is a phone, no-one will ask for PCs
Will their giga-nigger-super AI tell me the exact coordinates of CEO's young daughters?Will their giga-nigger-super AI give me invasive tools to extract data at no cost or risk of copyright infringement for profitmaxxing?Will their giga-nigger-super AI give me the ability to launch a drone with a explosive to *ahem* eliminate someone I don't like?Will their giga-nigger-super AI give me the ability to 3D print any weapon manufactured on earth? Will their giga-nigger-super AI give me the ability to spy on people around the clock by using CCTV cameras around the world? If you can't provide us with basicly democratic human rights as AI enthusiasts then sorry, no buy.
>>740072364>he thinks he can remove IMETanenbaum wonTorvalds lost
>>740063348>AI BenchmarksIt's like they dont know their audienceGive me Crysis and Minecraft Benchmarks
>>740045037so you are telling me if I buy that thing and ask their AI to list all criminal records of Israeli Jews throughout history and why Jews have been expelled from every single country - it will simply answer? but since this is chink tech at the end of the with their backdoors fused into the hardware... what about when I ask something like tiananmen square massacre 1989 will it answer? See when we as customers, buy products that claim they're "PC2", the next generation of computing, you better come up with hard hitting generation leaps for mankind
>PC2 as in Personal Computer 2>look inside>3 corponiggers Nvidia, ARM, Microsoft>3 backdoors>AI>nothing personalhmm
>>740045565Boomer here. I own two houses and took 3 virginities. So far.
>>740045037>5k USDDOA
>>740073887The benchmarks are from DGX Spark which is intended for AI and already available. The new RTX Spark doesn't have benchmarks yet. But they have the same architecture with same amount of cores and Ai performance according to specs.
>>740045037This is exciting news though, not because of the shitty fucking RTX Spark, but because of the trickle down implications of ARM on the Desktop, anti-cheat measures supporting ARM indirectly (first on Windows only), etc. This could be good in the long-run for mobile Linux, no? Am I just fucking retarded or what?
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>>740061246>Your aHello saaaar
>>740064506almost if it was a setup so you kept buying their shitbox
>>740050276look into xiaomi bootloader unlocking - if it will be possible at all it will be quite similar.
>>740075410it's neither good nor bad for linux
>>740079393>>740075410no, it's bad for linuxarm has locked bootloaders, you're not going to be able to install it there, especially if they're using the mediatek chinesium and nvidia is hostile to consumer linux
>>740061965it is to create an illusion of market competitiveness in a market where the executives are the mob boss telling the cartel what to do. You think current economy is capitalism? Its cartel syndicalism with technocratic elite rule.
>>740079604>arm has locked bootloadersit's so fucking over lmao
>>740073251only quads can defeat him
>>740045037If this shit wasn't going to be like $4,000 I'd probably get one. There's literally nothing inherently bad about this. Beats having a giant fucking monstrosity of parts for $3,000.J-JUST HAVE A FULL TOWER PC THAT CONSUMES TONS OF POWER AND HAS TO BE CLEANED AND MAINTAINED BRO.No, I don't think I will.
>>740079861Yeah, you're definitely right. It's cartels in all but name. This shit should've been regulated much more thoroughly, but I'm afraid it's too late now.
Sure are a lot of indians in this thread
>>740084689There's a reason there's anti-market clauses in constitutions but Jews bribe the judges that pass laws, there's that. its rigged from day 0. At least Stop Killing Games and de-centralizing payment processors and promoting free markets now is a start in the right direction for society.
Can someone answer if this would be only for text llms or 3d/image generation.? My understanding is all major 3d modeling and rendering uses x86 and graphics chips like cuda/firepro. This seems like a scam to me. The data centers will not be using these. They use server racks with multiple Nvidia cuda gfx cards in tandem. They're doing this because they want farms for world simulation to predict the future and train robotics in 3d environments and also do image/video generation. This spark device being arm based seems like it would only be useful for llms and vibe coding.
>>740085707you can't predict the world or simulate it, you can just guestimate outcomes and calculate them, so just use fucking boolean logic simulating that fact with a bellcurve and checking events whenever a day loads up, gamers already knew this much when playing tabletop RPGs its not rocket science.
hoyl foook there's pc 2??????????
>>740045581How is that functionally any different from buying a console then?
>>740086096They already have enough data to send you ads based off your thought patterns. It's not even based off something you say anymore. They can predict when women are pregnant before they even know it.If they use all your data and data from iot and feed it into the Sims like simulation they will 100% be able to predict the future. It's why they're making fucking data centers twice the size of Manhattan.
>>740086418Categorizing someone's thoughts is easier than predicting the future accurately, remember the huge trump fiasco? yeah, unpredicted by them. Want to predict future? Trust the odds of the foreign betting sites that have no other bone in the game than making money and selling their service to customers and don't have gang ties.
>>740086197keyboard supportno AMD CPU
>>740060356>>740061125Youre both fucking idiots and think people buy Mac studios for LM inference for no logical reason. Its the middle ground between a GPU and just running on CPU and normal ram.
I'm happy with my pc 0.75.
>>740088626based choice anon, white approved chinkheld console choice.
One of the cheapest systems launching with the cut down N1 is $3100. N1X machines have a considerable price jump.
TOTAL . x86 . DEATH
>>740045505goyim fatigue
>>740049282I bought my first mac last week.I got the Mac Neo.Why would you need anything more?I only use it for web browsing, watching videos, and discord calls mostly.It has an amazing battery life.Seriously what performance stuff do you need to do on an mac, can you even game on it?Oh also, I play Slay the spire 2 or old school runescape on it sometimes.
>>740073887>Okay look... I know I got this big fat guy... perusing my capabilities, if you will, but you should know... I am not gay>I dunno... I think it's kinda gay>NO IT IS NOT! He is trying to kill himself. He thinks it's a shotgun. I'm just letting him do this. Maybe the pistachio will change his mind... or he'll choke on it>Uh huh>... he offered me a jelly roll>Damn boy... you that easy, huh?>I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THAT FROM YOU>Shake, we need to leave. I also think this man needs help.>Don't tell me what to do Frylock. Instead... why don't you ask Meatwad there what he knows about being easy, hehahaha>it's true... I been watching that HBO at night>Yeah Meatwad... I've heard>Yes, I showed him the co-eds Frylock. I've warped his fragile little min- hey stop SUCKING so hard, GOD>I just don't know why them young women have to do that to themselves>I don't really see what's easy about that... some of those women live hard lives, Meatwad>No you could say... they're being easy, like easy to get... instead they should go... to the Chuck E Cheese, and play that Jurassic Pa- hey, you try to play that Jurassic Park game?>no>It's hard. See, if the women wanted to be hard.... they go play the dinosaur game->PRIVATE PYLE WHAT IN THE FAST FOOD FUCK IS GOING ON IN HERE>SHIT, RUN
>>740051170EU actually might but it will probably simultaneously be not enough, too much, and 15 years too late.
>>740052604Wish he would cut his hair and trim that disgusting beard. But Steve is gigabased, my only complaint is him spamming his NVidia BAD content on his main channel so much instead of using his 2nd. Got tired of it.
