You have a choice
>>740048030>steam is not a monopoly because.... i say so!steammies will defend this capitalistic pig
>>740048207steam haters will do ANYTHING except buy a game on EGS and still cry monopoly
Freedom of choiceIs what you got
>>740048207whats stopping you from buying a game on another platform
Not really, publishers have to put their games on Steam in order to be successful and most gamers get forced into steam with a library locked to it
>>740048030I would love to see what happens to a game if you advertise a 15% discount on your own website in the description and link to it. Instant ban.
pr after the price hikes
>>740048207What do you want if not capitalism? What kind o games do you think you're going to get under any other system?
>>740048030>>740048207Steam doesn't have Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox, or League of Legends All of those are some of the biggest games and where the most spending is.Explain then how Steam can be a monopoly?
>>740048327>forced into steam with a library locked to itwhat do you use that lets you transfer your game to other platforms?
>>740048030>You have a choicesome of us never had a choice
>>740048030>'unwritten rule' against charging lower prices on other storefronts does not existAnyone who uses isthereanydeal or ggdeals knows this.
>>740048320Gabe heavily pushed developers to rely on Steamworks features to streamline development, including things like setting up the Workshop to be the first and foremost (or sometimes only) way to integrate mods, while also giving developers the ability to block steamcmd workshop item doenloads if no license is detected, making it so the only way to access the feature is to get it on Steam Ultimately it's down to the developer, but it'd be pure shill behavior to ignore that Gabe "Paid Mods are Cool and Were Our Idea" Newell not only gave the tools for this but also encourages it
>>740048540SAAR I'M ARYAN NORWEGIAN SAAR
>>740048030>another thread made by valve shills to defend that fat piece of shit who does nothing and collects the money from other people works>im not even talking about steam its what they do in general. they do no work at all\fuck you paid shills
>>740048459>these whopping 4 games aren't on SteamWhat an argument from TeamSteam...
>>740048929very small games
>>740048929those 4 games make BILLIONS without steam and have their own ecosystems
>>740048986Indeed. That is why they can stay out of the monopoly. They are literally the only ones able to.
>>740048789Of course, it was his storefront after all and encouraging people to rely on his systems is good for his business. It's the path of least resistance and Gabe provided a tool good enough that devs didn't feel the need to create their own tools or services themselves.But again, we can argue that several other highly successful games didn't ever rely on Steam for mods and distribution, like Blizzard and Minecraft.And yeah, I didn't forget the paid mods debacle, but they were also smart enough to walk that back and just be satisfied in mods being added value to the games they were already selling.
>>740048030This can all be true and Steam should STILL not take 30%.A 15% cut is more than generous for the bare minimum effort Valve puts into their product now. This means more money in the hands of game developers or cheaper games overall. The only person who loses out is Gaben himself who already has more money than God.
>>740049049lmao>Gabe fucked over consumers and that's a good thing!!!!! Sarr should be celebrated for being clever and good businessman!!!!Enjoy deepthroating that boot--is what I would say if you weren't also clearly a bot, since the second paragraph shows you don't even understand the point being made you fucking retard. Pure script shit.
>>740048789thats not really stopping you from buying the game on another platform, thats just an unrelated argument about modding. which if you want to complain about that you should probably include the fact other platforms like the microsoft store are a lot more locked down and don't let you modify the exe, meaning if you're going to mod a game why the fuck would you not buy it on steam? I assume you have no answer because you came here to suck cocks and spread misinformation and you're all out of cock
some many rothschilds in this thread
>>740048030My choice is piracy
>>740049213>what's stopping you from buying off steam>Gabe intentionally sabotaged buying the game somewhere other than steam>Hurrr durr that's unrelated and also another store is worse so pls pls pls pls stopJesus Christ
>>740049358your argument is that gabe put a gun to the terarria or whatever dev's head and forced him to only let steam users mod the game when the reality is other platforms just didn't give a shit about modding, in some cases wholly denying it. what exactly stopped tim sweeney from making an epic workshop or some shit? he already paid devs truckloads of cash to put their games on epic only and has a big emphasis on ue5 creation, its clearly not something out of his wheelhouse, so why has he not attempted anything of the sort himself? is it because gabe newell broke into his house and threatened him at knife point or is it simply that other platforms don't give a shit about the user's freedom like steam does? please try to give an actual answer and not more seething greentext misconstructions of other people's arguments
>>740049180There's a massive difference between having a monopoly and having a better product that people prefer using.What the fuck are they supposed to do? Make Steam shittier and more useless on purpose? There's no anti-consumer practices happening. There's no reason you can't just buy these games outside of Steam. When companies choose to only sell their games on Steam, they're quite literally making an informed decision of their own free will because Steam is just actually a good deal.You're free to sell your game on itch, Epic Games Store, GOG, you can host in on your own website, make your own launcher, or any other way. You can choose to use Steam's network infrastructure, or you can chose not to.
>>740049491valve doesnt give a shit about moding the only reason the workshop exist is to funnel skins into dota/cs/TF2 and deadlock in the near future
>>740049658>valve doesn't give a shit about the thing I just kvetched they invented a entire architecture for their platform to supportalright man
>>740049491>your argument is that gabe put a gun to a dev's head and forced himHoly fuck you can't read at all>What is stopping tim Sweeney from making a workshopHow about no fucking platform makes their own locked down workshop you fucking moronic tard. It's a terrible idea that fucks over consumers and is only good for the moneymen. If you have to use an integrated mods system, there's platform independent options out there. The problem is that Gabe is just such a pusher for his own, as he benefits for trying to foster exclusitivity>>740049596Okay yeah. Total fucking bot post. You aren't even participating in the argument of this reply chain, you're just splitting the thread into perceived sides and following a script. You shant be wasting any more of my time.
>>740049767>>valve doesn't give a shit about the thing I just kvetched they invented a entire architecture for their platform to supportMost of their income comes from the skins/lootboxes they havent done anything with the workshop since its inceptionthey are so fucking lazy they don't even bother with making a compelling compendium in dota because its too much work to make a fraction of what CS makes a month. They also dont even host the international themselves anymoreFuck those pieces of shit i hope gabe gets asscancer and goes to hell
>>740048929Fuck off, you can-kicking faggot. As though there aren't THOUSANDS of games not on Steam, without even bringing console-exclusives into the equation.
>>740049919>As though there aren't THOUSANDS of games not on SteamName five hundred.
>>740048207>Epic Games>GOG>EA app>Xbox Store>Riot Games>Mihoyo>Battle.netLiterally not a monopoly by any measure.
>>740049783>steam shouldn't have made an insanely conveniently single click method to mod games because uhhh its not fair to other platformsits staggering you have the confidence to call anyone else a retard or bot.
>>740048030Yes, it's called piracy.
>>740048540A fate worse than death.
based valvedoes no workrake in all the profits
>>740048929It's the four biggest games on the planet.
>>740049090Make your own storefront?
>>740049596>Make Steam shittier and more useless on purpose?Yes, doing otherwise would be antisemitic and transphobic.
>>740050214BASED VALVE
>>740048030I mean... no I don't have a choice if we're talking about specific games. A lot of developers only release on Steam so Gaben is taking it a bit far here.That doesn't mean it's a monopoly tho. Steam is one store front under many and the bar to entry is really low. Puhlishers consciously deciding not to publish anywhere else without having any exclusive deals with steam isn't on Steam. And you can't fault them for it, they explicitly state you are free to sell the game wherever you want.It's like complaining you can only buy a new ford car at a ford dealership.
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>>740050389BASED VALVEDOESNT EVEN DO ANY WORK FOR THEIR MAIN SOURCE OF INCOME AFTER STEAM ITSELFWANT TO PLAY A GOOD COUNTER STRIKE GAMES WITHOUT CHEATERS?GUESS WHAT SOMEONE ELSE HAS TO STEP IN AND DO VALVES JOB
>>740050390>they explicitly state you are free to sell the game wherever you want[citation needed]
>>740048207Sorry your tranny indie store sucks cock faggot kill yourself
>>740050390>A lot of developers only release on Steam so Gaben is taking it a bit far hereSteam didn't force them to only release on Steam. Also tons of Steam game are on PS5 and Switch anyway.
>>740050286Too expensive to get started
>>740050503BASED VALVE LISTENS TO THE COMMUNITYAND ADDS SKINS THEY THEMSLVES DIDNT MAKE AND GIVE BACK TO THAT COMMUNITY A TOTAL OF 12.5%-25% OF EVERY SALETHEY ADD COSMETICS THAT BREAK THEIR OWN RULES AND IF ANYONE COMPLAINS IT WAS THE COMMUNITY WHO VOTED FOR IT SO THEY DONT TAKE ANY BLAME BASE VALVE
>trusting an AI breakdown
>>740050389>>740050503>>740050621
>>740050336>antisemitic
>>740050609The Touhou guy released his games on his own website.
>>740048030This could easily be fixed if you could resell digital games... but we all know that will never happen.
>>740050621VALVE DOESNT UPDATE THEIR OWN GAMES?THATS OK ITS NOT THE FAT PEICE OF SHIT WHO ORDERS IT BECAUSE THERE ARE NO BOSSES XD THE EMPLOYEES DO WHAT THEY CHOOSEAND TEH SYSTEM IS NOT TOTALLY RIGGED SO PEOPLE ONLY FOCUS ON WHAT MAKES THE MOST MONEY SO FIXING BUGS ISNT EVEN A PRIORITYBASED GABE FAT BASTARD
the fact that journalists attack valve for having a nice store instead of payment processors proves that they are evil
>>740050738Italian nose clearly.
>>740050587Yes that's what I said too.>>740050553Steam distribution agreement mentions the rules for off-site key distribution and price parity when selling in multiple stores. Including when selling steam keys instead of your own distribution. You can probably find the full document online or just take my word for it.Either way there's no clause to force you into exclusivity.
>>740050787>t/KIA>8 years ago
>let steam run unchallenged for 20 years>do nothing>i-i-it's a monopoly!!!
>>740050760Too expensive to start a store front for others anon, not to host your 1 game.
>>740050893>>let steam run unchallenged for 20 yearsA CHALLENGER APPEARS
>>740048030No I don't.
>>740050938>host a second download link on website>accept payment via PayPal
>>74005078770% OF TEAM FORTRESS PLAYERS ARE BOTShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2stmQfv93oQA SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CS2 PLAYERS IN CASUAL MODS ARE BOTShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4gMWM8gfK0VALVE KNOWS THIS AND TAXED THEM RELEASING SOMETHING CALLED AN ARMORY WHICH DROPS LIMITED ITEMS WHEN YOU GRIND EXP FOr 16 DOLLARS. THEY ARE TAXING BOTS THEY COULD HAD MADE IT SO YOU NEEDED TO PLAY IN THE NORMAL MODES BUT NOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHBtv42V6nEBASED FAT PIECE OF SHIT
>>740049090>If the cut that steam takes is reduced then games will be cheaper If you compare the prices between steam and epic store that is literally not true. Epic takes less of a cut and the games are the same price. I don't care what the jew publishers made, and the devs already got paid.
>>740050984>yeah bro you can easily pay for 1 million downloads of 25gb each compressed data for Subnautica 2
>>740050990out of curiosity why did you swap to a schizo tangent about unrelated shit after you got pushed too hard about valve not actually forcing games to only be on their platformI believe the thread was talking about steam exclusivity and not whether or not they maintain their old games
>>740051004The difference is thats a choice by devs who post their games on Epic.
>>740050990Nigga that's nuts
>>740050805(((Italian)))
>>740051039Google drive?
>>740051051you are paid shills paid to defend and promote valve garbageIf you arent then you are glowniggers paid to do the shills job which amounts to the same shit in the endI really really hate valve and i really really hate people shitting up the board albeit i know most of the board are bots and shills but again i just really hate valveif these threads continue im going to make a bunch of infographics and spam them
Doesn't a monopoly require multiple traits beyond market share to be a monopoly? Iirc Valve isn't doing shit like exclusivity or throwing its weight around to get its way.
>>740048327Just like how Microsoft, EA and Ubisoft force you to launch games through their services even on steam?
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>>740051152Lol.
>>740051201>buy titanfall 2 on steam decade or so ago>forced to install origin and give my PC aids to play it
>>740051193No a monopoly means a sole provider of a good or service. It doesn't have to be a good or bad thing its just a statement of a fact. If you're the only bread maker in your country, you're running a monopoly, even though anyone else could start making and selling bread. If we're talking about PC digital storefront Steam is not a monopoly, there are other providers out there who actually exist like GoG.
>>740051176I don't really give a shit about steam or valve on a personal level its just that everything else is shit. I asked multiple times why epic or microsoft doesn't just actually match any of the convenience of the shit you say is so massive its literally giving steam a monopoly and you had this retarded AI fueled schizo melty. it took EGS three fucking years to add a shopping cart. the argument has always been that valve just has a bigger user base because they actually do shit the users want instead of dumb shit nobody cares about like tim sweeney prioritizing devs with a lower cut that doesn't carry over to the consumer at all. now take your fucking meds and go to bed
>>740050990MORE TF2 BOTS CAUGHT WITH PROOFShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnuxHZm73PUVALVE ALLOWS SKIN CASINOS OR AT BEST DOES THE BARE MINIMUM TO COMBAT THEMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13eiDhuvM6Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6jhjjVy5Lshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q58dLWjRTBESOME GAMES IN STEAM MIGHT BE ADDED EXCLUSIVELY TO DO MONEY LAUNDERINGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFmBT_Avf48VALVE DOESNT CURATE GAMES SINCE GREENLGIHT (which was done by the community) GOT TAKEN DOWN THEY ADDED 20k GAMES THEY DONT EVEN CHECK IN ONE YEAR ALONE AT LEAST 8 GAMES WERE CAUGHT THE FBI EVEN HAS A SITE TO TIP THEM ABOUT GAMES WITH MALWARE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHTKTujfVSk>>740051367SO GLOWIE OR JUST SHILL
>>740051450SKINS BOTS ARE SO MASSIVE A GAME ABOUT CLICKING A BANANA GAME ENDED UP GETTING 850k CONCURRENT PLAYERShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqVLPx-4O48
>>740051450why would the glowie shill for valve and not microsoft that has literal government contracts. you're not even schizo'ing right you just noticed the thread wasn't going your way and are trying to derail it so you can pretend the whole thing was a shitpost
>>740048207Shut up commie, you are on a board that is only possible because of capitalism
>valve mindbroke this faggot so hard he has gone full /x/ religious schizo dumping massive blocks of text and random videos
>>740051450
I usually buy from GOG if it's on both platforms. Sometimes I'll even buy the download from the publisher's website. I feel like I have a choice.
>>740048030>>740048207samefag inorganic bot posting
>>740051516Glowies have run this site for years nowBack in the 2010s joot sold mod and janny position to companies for money but then around 2015-6 glowies took over (or at least thats waht i think( I dont know who runs now or what. Valve employees used to post on the general on vgControlling this site and reddit is paramount for most companies specially for valves since they are evil and jewish as shit yet people love them if the image turned around they would be fuckedI dont give a shit who you are again i just hate valve
>>740050847>price parityThis is the kicker. Why bother running your own store, if you can't set your own prices?This is what really makes Steam a monopoly.
>>740051645again I ask what valve owning media or 4chan or whatever would accomplish when the sole reason people use them is because the platform is convenient. the sole thing keeping the platform afloat is the fact its more convenient to use than its competitors. can you provide a genuine answer as to why the competitors don't just make a better functioning product
>>740051726Why are you replying seriously to a disengenuous shitposter?
>>740048030>>740048030is he on ozempic
>>740051726Dont you think a big part of valve success doesnt stem from the fact people see them as teh ehreos of vidya and every other company like a jew who only cares for money?90% of the steam users when steam took off were TF2/CS/Dota players. If everyone started to hate valve and memes elevated other company dont you think people would switch? by meme force alone?I dont even care if other stores do better or not again i hate valve people who enter these threads will see my posts
>>740051812>Dont you think a big part of valve success doesnt stem from the fact people see them as teh ehreos of vidya and every other company like a jew who only cares for money...which, again, stems from convenience in the software. Maybe if epic or origin or whatever didn't want to be seen as greedy kikes they could make a modern fucking storefront.
>>740051645
>>740051998>Maybe if epic or origin or whatever didn't want to be seen as greedy kikes they could make a modern fucking storefront.I love how epic rolled up to the PC market and the first thing it did was try to force exclusivity on PC.
>>740051812>If everyone started to hate valve and memes elevated other company dont you think people would switch? by meme force alone?No.
This thread is beautiful levels of schizo
>>740051998I already told you i dont give a particualr shit about the stores you are still ignoring everything written. Memes can change anything on the spot thats why valve pays you to shill for them, if suddenly everyone hated on gaben and valve and some other not htat dogshit store popped up people would make memes about switching and that would have been it for valveVALVE REQUIRED YOU TO DOWNLOAD STEAM AND HAVE AN INTERNET CONNETION TO RUN HALF LIFE 2 WHEN IT CAME OUT ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2004
>>740052193>VALVE REQUIRED YOU TO DOWNLOAD STEAM AND HAVE AN INTERNET CONNETION TO RUN HALF LIFE 2 WHEN IT CAME OUT ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2004I created a steam account for HL2 back then and steam had the same stipulations as it does now. At no point in time was HL2 an "always online" game. You could download it, go offline, and still play it.
Valve’s greed is becoming impossible to ignore People will continue defending them like cultists while pretending they’re above console war tribalism
>>740052060>try to force exclusivity on PCStraight from Valve's playbook, really.
>>740052193BASED GABEN WENT TO DO DAMAGEA CONTROL ON PAID MODSON REDDIT>>740052326>I created a steam account for HL2 back then and steam had the same stipulations as it does now.SO? everything steam does was considered turbo aids back in the day. requiring downloading a platform and having an internet connection caused a fuckload of backlash. Again steam took off thanks to TF/CS/Dota previous to it it was very deadIn the xbox one reveal they said basically everything valve did with steam would be part of the xbox and the brand died and the head of xbox got fired. Somehow gaben got away with it despite doing 100% the same shitLook how gabe cares so much about mods and totally not money
>>740052436sure buddy whatever you say
>>740052446>SO?So your argument was trash, that's what. Also my nigga is forgetting about rule 40.
>>740048030>Well, sure, toots. I s'pose you don't HAVE to pay me for protection.
>>740048030Notice he only said when buying games. He doesn't care about people's ability to play games purchased elsewhere with steam users.Ever wonder why people get ass hurt about needing a 3rd party account with some games on steam? Its because valve ACTIVELY hinders cross-platform multiplayer with its steamworks framework. This logo is whyStreet fighter 6 and countless other steam games have crossplay with other players. And this is a framework by Microsoft. Epic games has epic online services, fuck even sony has crossplay.But they ALL had to forgo and circumvent Steam's multiplayer system itself.Fucking wild isn't it. Valve fucking hates ANYONE not using steam. Look how the steam controller's functionality is gimped out of box on the OS 95% of its users use. The lack of any Orange Box type console release also proves it. These niggas want to be closed sourced walled garden like apple so bad
>>740052446YOU WANT A FUNCTIONAL ANTCHEAT IN CS? MORE THAN 1 HERO A YEAR ON DOTA?TOO BAD BASED GABEN SPENT ALL HTE MONEY ON NOT ONLY A SUPER YATCH BUT THE COMPANY WHO MADE IT>>740052598Whatever brub keep bumping the thread so more people can see my posts
anti-steam shills aren't sending their best today.
>>740052685Playfab https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/games/products/playfab/Is the name of Microsoft's multiplayer framework.If valve added built in cross-platform capabilities to steamworks they could stop the need for 3rd party launchers and account INSTANTLYBut they never will. Because if you can use a non steam version to play with your steam friends. You're less likely to buy the steam version. Fuck valve and fuck gamers for dick riding billionaire.
>Xhey're having this big of a melty over steamkekypoo. Sorry, Sweeny. Gabe wins again, retarded commie.
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>>740052691Its fucking hilarious BTW Pic related showed it's possible to get anti cheats on different architecture. Here's the big one.90% of the largest games that use these anti cheats are either not sold on steam or can be purchased on a different storefront on PC (blizzard launcher with CoD)Goes to show that letting a fucking storefront be the end all be all to your OS is detrimental to you. Why the fuck would valve care about Vanguard or Easy anti cheat not working on steamOS? They don't make money from those games or a 30% cut of microtransations.Fucking insulting that VAC is the most useless shit on the planet and steamies don't give two shits.
>>740052691based valve founding the battlepass systemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrhLAF9dml8of course it was OK cause 25% of the money went to the prizepool of TI BASED VALVE thoguht the playerbase
>>740052691>Whatever brub keep bumping the thread so more people can see my postsNigga if I didn't you'd just be here talking to yourself
>>740053078forgot pic
>>740053119I know brub . Im going to save everything to be able to post it instantly whenever i feel likesomeone will eventually see the posts even if its just a handful of peopledont care either way
Artifactroon, is that you? Are you STILL crying about Valve? Give it up already.
>>740053078Speaking of battlepasses. Reminder this dead game still has its battlepass for sale for full price. Hasn't been an update in YEARS. Valve has zero respect for their low IQ capacity fanbase. Why would they? They know they'll never review bomb a valve game.
>>740048030Remind me again, was it Timmy or Gaben that was paying off developers to make their games exclusive to their storefront?
>>740053194Funny how you people bring this up like it's not a fucking blight on valve and what new age bullshit they're up to. >pay to play card game >Microtransations for card packs>shut down the game and remove access for "2.0" version>lmao jk game is gone now>NO REFUNDSEven Concord fags got refunded
>>740053119>>740053159also what gibs the site is so dead? it seems 99% of all the threads and posts are shills in general. Back in the 10s the site was full of shills but it also had a fuckload of legitimate usersWhen did it die
>IT'S ACTUALLY HIM
>>740048030Yeah and I frequently choose to buy games on Steam. I also frequently buy from GOG too. The offline installers are really nice.
>>740048286spbp
>>740048721And yet, people keep bringing it up because one dev made a claim and all the gaming journalists wrote about it with 0 research.The real reason behind it was because the dev was selling STEAM KEYS on their website at a lower REGULAR price.You can sell non-steam versions at whatever price you want and you can sell steam keys at a discount for limited limited times.
>>740048789retard
>>740048789I think his heart was in the right place with the paid mods thing at least. He wanted anyone to be able to be able to earn money off of their work without a bunch of red tape. The issue is that by doing that it allowed people to steal other mods and make bad ones. Gabe realized this and cancelled it before release. Hard to be mad at him.
>>740053772>I think his heart was in the right placeThese are the pcfags that infest this board btw.
>>740053340>why did the board infested with insane schizophrenics that don't want to discuss anything and just post their scripted meltdowns over and over again just up and die???who fucking knows, really.
So uh, I have a questionWhich store should I use ? Which one is better for me the client ?Epic ? Lol lmao evenUplay ? Origin ? Gog ? Yeah a bit but they miss so many function like workshop, vr support, controller support... And I can just change a dll in my steam folder to be able to share the game (work for most games)Dlsite ? Need a vpnItch.io ? Yeah a bit but still, it's just real indies games with little to no budgetSo, which store give me more feature than steam AND maybe cheaper price ?
>>740053879I mean thats your fault for shitting up the board and promoting the fat piece of shit killing video games and being loved for it
BASED VALVEVALVE SELLS YOU A LICENSE YOU DONT OWN THE GAMES AND THEY CAN REVOKE IT ANY TIMEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCTBqlQDNts
>>740054006>>740054067insane thing to post back to back. do you think non-schizos post dozens of all-caps screeching rage for over an hour?
>>740048030I still don't get why people complain about steam, just buy or sell your game on another site, ain't that complicated.
>>740048030And my choice is Steam.>>740048207Sorry Timmy TencentJeet, but you shouldn't have said PC was a dying platform 15 years ago and been late to a PC client market.>OH WHAT ABOUT GOOD OL'It's in it's name: Good OLD Games. It didn't offer day one AAA titles of the current year. It pivoted too late.All these Johnny Come Lates only have themselves to blame.
>>740048286Discussion ended right here. I will not read any further.
>>740054093how is information shit? you are the one spreading lies and defending the fat faggot and you only do it cause they pay tou to
>>740053878You can heavily disagree with someone's decision and think it's a bad idea while also understanding why they thought it was a good idea.
>>740054067That's a problem every digital product faces. Putting the blame exclusively on valve seems like a personal grudge than an actual argument.
>>740054127To be fair pretty much every other site that is super easy for an individual to sell games on (itch.io is the main one that comes to mind) are currently being really shitty to their consumers. This is not Steam or Valve's fault at all, but "go somewhere else" isn't exactly an option for a lot of devs.
>>740054169its irrelevant shit when you're being asked simply "why don't other stores be better than steam". posting a bunch of burning personal rage about valve as a company isn't answering that. if anything every issue you've posted is something every other company has anyways and yet valve still offers more functional storefront than any of them
>>740054217It's always so weird when people act like we think Valve is perfect and can do no wrong. The main thing is that typically the things Valve are doing "wrong" are just standard business practice for the industry regardless of if it's good or not. I think Valve definitely could be the ones to lower the pay cuts to 25% or actually sell games to people instead of licenses, but they really have no current reason to. If the government pulled the entire industry into a suit over the 30% cut they take, I feel like most people would be against the companies in that case. It's just weird that Valve is the only one ever singled out.
>>740054217I can download a game from gog and do whatever the fuck i want with it they can't come and take it away>>740054316My argument is that without people sucking valves dick some other company could take that place in peoples mind and people would migrate, Everyone hated steam back in the day and it only took off thanks to the games they don't even maintain anymore i dont understand why you keep ignoring whats written. You are a shitty shill
Back in the day we used to sell our product through magazines, we sent the games on floppy disks via USPS. Good times.
>>740054417>I can download a game from gog and do whatever the fuck i want with it they can't come and take it awayGog seems to disagree and it's still a licence. While it's true that they can't delete the files already on your system, they can very much remove further access to downloads on their end.https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-GOG-User-Agreement?product=gog
>>740054417your argument is retarded and makes no sense. steam is not keeping its lead because people make a ton of glazing memes, they're staying ahead because all their competitors are directly worse. again I re-iterate the closest thing to steam is the EGS which is still a solid decade behind valve for no reason, it took 3 years for them to add a shopping cart and its still missing shit like user reviews, dedicated controller mapping and even fucking linux support at all
>>740048030True, we do have a choice actually - his service is simply the best. Anyone can start & run a business, "monopoly" means that it's impossible, meaning only zogbots lie about Steam. Devs can sell anywhere, player can try & get their games from anywhere - it's a free world.>Steam>ALL
>>740054641 I refuse to touch EGS until I see a user review on the store page itself. Just like Steam. The day EGS starts doing that is the day I switch to them.
>>740054629and? i get the installer i can do whatever they can't remove the installer from my computerretard>>740054641No they are ahead because of memes primarly and then because other storefronts are worse. if this wasn't the case you wouldn't be getting paid to post here and defend them
>>740054641>its still missing shit like user reviewsCan't be missing if tim is actively against adding it. Pretty sure they still have the same strategy since the start "fuck the paying customers, we'll force their hands by kissing the developers ass".
>>740054739>and? i get the installer i can do whatever they can't remove the installer from my computerIf your hard drive dies and you didn't make a backup, you are still out of your money once the installer/installed files are gone.
>>740054739nothing is stopping the other storefronts from improving other than the people that run it being retarded. even if valve was paying people to shill for them what is that actually doing to stop tim sweeney from being a fucking retard and hating linux for no reason?
>>740054067You can make an offline backup at any time - your "license" is to use Steam, not the game. Backup your favorite games & they're your forever, even if the company implodes, the stars die, and we fight robots for water.
>>740054805valve 100% gurantees you cant access the game its not the same retard>>740054808steam only developed linux to not to pay microsoft not because he actually gives a shit about it. Notice how you didnt deny valve lives exclusively off memes and peoples retardation. hence you are paid to post
>>740054872Oh, so your problem with Valve is intent and not outcome? You should probably never see a doctor then. Trust me, they think you're a fucking dullard.
>>740054872why does tim sweeney not add missing features to the EGS retard? why would I care that gave doesn't want to pay microsoft and instead is trying to dismantle THEIR monopoly over the PC gaming space? sounds like you're paid to post because you won't actually denounce the other platforms at all. see how easy that is? now are you gonna be a good little boy and give daddy a real answer or do you want to keep acting like a retarded nigger?
>>740054947bru i dont think you have the mental capacity to hold a covnersation i already explained to you multiple times my argument you keep ignoring it. Anyways im going to bed. Fuck you and fuck valve
>pretending to leave when he's backed fully into a corner and doesn't want to reply anymoreevery time these fucking threads come up the archive for this should just be reposted every time some faggot bitches about steam again
>>740054990>i dont think you have the mental capacity to hold a covnersationsays the guy that already replied to himself 20 times ITT
>>740054872>valve 100% gurantees you cant access the game its not the same retardIt's more the devs really. They aren't forced to use the always online steam api.
>>740054067Incredible how valve literally has a digital storefront that has the capability to have varied prices for shitty NFT tier knife skins in Csgo that can be sold and traded for steam bucks (don't forget their digital commission fee) . Yet they refuse to use that exact framework to allow gamers to buy and sell their digital licenses of their games.The fact is valve SPEARHEADED digital only games. They could have laid the foundation that the other gaming companies would have followed.Valve DOESN'T want you to have any legal ownership of digital goods because then they'd be forced to cash out their in house casino and people would be able to fight for the right to sell their digital licenses to other users just like physical media.
>>740055135>>They aren't forced to use the always online steam api.anon, if you had access to the data of even a thousand people, you would understand. The game is the grift, the data is the money. Not defending always online, but I fucking get it. Free money.
>>740055215>Yet they refuse to use that exact framework to allow gamers to buy and sell their digital licenses of their games.Good luck getting the devs to agree to that
>>740055215>Yet they refuse to use that exact framework to allow gamers to buy and sell their digital licenses of their games.Damn, looks like a missed feature LITERALLY ANY OTHER GAME STORE could capitalize on
>>740054872What's childish is that they're refusing to ship their hardware with anything other than SteamOS. Why not give your consumers the choice of the most used operating system that they themselves use?Fuck it make them pay for it directly if Microsoft charged 80 bucks to valve for a windows license on the steam deck. Have the windows version cost 100 dollars more. People would pay for it. Some gamers value compatibility above all us.However valve doesn't give two fucks what steam users want. They only care about making sure steamOS is railroaded to whatever sucker buys their hardware.Same shit with the steam controller lacking xinput. They're forgoing profitability and consumer options to lock people into their software. Evil ass company
>>740051686You can set your own prices.You just can't offer a Steam Key for lower than it is on the Steam Store.I bought Immortals on Ubisofts store for a buck. I didn't get a steam key for it though, because Ubisoft didn't want to lower Steam's price to match.But if you're using Steam's ecosystem (Steam keys specifically), expect to play by Steam's rules.I really don't get why publishers bitch about Steam keys restrictions. What other storefront allows you to sell keys on their system while allowing you to keep 100% of the profit?
>>740055369Immensely retarded post that just exposes youre a consolefag
>>740055531nah, he's right, the xinput thing is fucked
These lawsuits are literally all because the devs cant fuck over Steam users by selling their games for more on Steam over their own platforms. Just sell on your own platform then.
>>740055330Any other store doesn't have the juggernaut numbers that Valve and Steam have. Hell they don't even have the fucking number of published games on their stores compared to steam.Valve could easily implement it and apply it to the 99% of fucking indie games on their store with zero resistance. What are those small devs gonna do? Leave steam? Lmao. Even the larger publishers would bend the knee if valve actually fought for it. Valve IS PC gaming to a majority of 3rd party game publishers, bandai, Capcom, etc. They would adhere to Valve's rules...unless you think they're dumb enough to go to epic online store for 99% less sales.Fucking steamies refuse to acknowledge that Valve has done nothing with Steam's overwhelmingly large consumerbase to actually help the fucking consumer. (see mastercard/visa bullshit)
>>740048789But what's stopping you from buying a game on another platform
>>740055587>Valve has done nothing with Steam's overwhelmingly large consumerbase to actually help the fucking consumernothing?
>>740055531>youre a consolefagProud of it too. I know what options are out there for gaming.Nintendo recently started pricing their digital titles 10 dollars less than physical.Wonder why valve isn't going to be asking publishers to price their digital games on steam 10 bucks cheaper than the physical counter part?BECAUSE IT MEANS LESS MONEY TO GABEN.These niggas hate you and I pray you steamies wake the fuck up one day.
People forgot that Valve single-handedly revived the video game market on PC after everyone abandoned it for consoles. Epic even said FUCK PC at one point. Not a single other company deserves to succeed in this space.
