>There's another bomb in my... This was the only time MGSV was actually shocking.
>>740053183PUSSY! PUSSY! PUSSY!
>>740053183>is getting rescued>can talk while getting carried to the helicopter>knows about what happened to her>waits untill the very last second to tell that there is a bomb in her wombFucking dogshit writing
>>740053183slim shady looking ass bitch
>>740053183GZ was actually shocking, TPP wasn't
>>740053183Did we ever figure out what she was about to say?
>>740053183>Dude, what if we took that qt from the most lighthearted game in series and had her get beaten, raped, and then blown up via explosives to vagina lolWtf was Kojimbo's problem?
>when you listen to the tapes and they talk about how much lube they had to use to force it in there and how it tore flesh going inMan I just wanted to be a sneaky assassin guy.
>>740054894She already died in PW
>>740053631gz was setting up tpp to be really good, but then we got dog shit instead
>>740053183THERE IS A BOMB IN THE LASAGNA!
>>740053631I imagine Kojima wanted to be just as edgy but Konami stopped himI mean we have literal rape tapes with an underage Chico being forced practically at gunpoint to rape a post-gangbanged Paz.
why are americans so evil?
>>740053281>been tortured for months>your rescuers are the guys who might just torture you more>you don't give a fuck either way cause you were used already and have literally no reason to live>not to mention you are literally half dead at this pointgood writing
i have never listened to the full rape tapes and never will, fuck that
>>740055970I'm convinced Kojima didn't write GZ/TPP, it's so different in tone to everything else he's done, even Death Stranding afterwards that it's crazy.
>>740056190yeah it is strangeit was so fucking out of left field for Kojima and a lot of Death Stranding is overly goofy and basically fucking anime but with hollywood actors
>>740056190as a writer myself, what we write completely depends on the shit going on in our lives. When psychosis shifts so does the style
Peace is raped. Is this a metaphor for something?
>>740056370To be fair, you're an even worse writer than kojima so I'm not going to worry about your insight.
>>740056094who raped her? that doesn't seem like something skullface would do.
>>740056085>>your rescuers are the guys who might just torture you moreSnake was literally the one rescuing her.
>listening to the tapes>its all brutal and realistic like actual torture audio>they beat and rape paz>they beat and rape chico>they beat chico more and force him to have sex with paz with a gun against the back of his head>hes craying, and paz is crying and she tells him its fine and it'll be okay>later they talk about paz's snuke>the bombs are so big we have to remove all her organs, and then inject her with a ton of nutrients just to keep her alive>also we need to shove an extra large one up her varginia>so large it stretches her out and rips the skin going in even though we oiled it upIf you listen to them all, its like getting a dose of PTSD.
>>740056641Skull Face had one of his faceless XOF goons do it.
>>740056679while it's true snake would have almost certainly taken pity on her and told miller to fuck off, paz didn't know that.
>>740055208you WILL sit through the six hour long monolog from the villain that is the thinly veiled fetish of the writer and you WILL enjoy it
>>740053183Lmao what a whore
>>740056701Man I wish they hadn't done that fucking jeep ride. Up until that point Skullface was so evil he almost defied description, and that fucking jeep just let all the air out of his metaphorical balloon.
>>740056701God, what happened to that Kojima? Everything he does now is so... safe.
>>740056701Well, glad I stopped after mgs 2. Fuck kojima, nasty fuck
>>740056701wheres the r34 and hentai of that then?
>>740053183>There's another bomb in my...> PIGANS
>>740056085lol shut the fuck up. Half finished game by creator admission, literal 10/10 IGN meme.
>>740058075Retard
>>740054894She was already beaten and raped by Hot Coldman in PW
>>740057323Don't forget the whole I'm already a demon trailer, complete with executing child soldier POW's. I will never forgive him for diluting V the way he has, trailers promised so much and he delivered on none of it.
>>740056190>Peace Walker is goofy and cumbrained>Ground Zeroes is edgy and gross>Phantom Pain is goofy and cumbrainedYeah, I agree. I completely believe that they just slapped his name on it and someone else wrote it.
>>740056190He wanted MGS4 to end with Snake and Huey getting excuted tho.
>>740055208Is this real? What the fuck was his problem
>>740056190>>740056357Do you guys think he tortured her and so on in that retarded way and killed her off in the dumbest way because it wasnt written by him as a petty form of "fighting back"?He gives me that petty vibe
>>740053183So shocking it doesn't even feel like a Metal Gear game.
>>740053183to be fair going from PW's kawaii uguu girl that you can date and undress, to GZ where she's aged up just barely to be described as graped and a walking corpse with her insides rearranged is kind of a fucking whiplash, bravo kojima!
Anyone else remember than anon who was so mindraped by how bad MGSV’s ending was that he made an entire conspiracy about episode 51? I think he made a website and everything
>>740056701>Kojima at office>"Dude what if Peace (Paz) was raped with bombs"
>>740058537Chapter 3Never Be Game Over
I think Kojima was seriously depressed during MGSV, especially considering the weird easter egg where you collect MGS logos, and if you find non-Kojima ones Kaz goes "That's not the right one!".I think at the point of TPP, he got over it and pulled pranks behind Konami's back (like Moby Dick stunt or PT release) until he got himself purposely fired.
>>740058537Caramel? He probably killed himself a few years ago when it became clear a definitive edition of the game wasn't coming out
>>740053183>There's a bomb in the lasagna?>GREAT SCOTT
>>740058797I think Kojima directed GZ and Hideo made TTP
>they added sloppy wet sound effects when they force the huge bomb up her cunt
The story of MGSV is literally "fuck I wrote myself into the 80s how do I do nanomachines, I know I'll make up parasites that learn language and ackshully the End was made of parasites and ackshully the naked lady who spreads her pussy in your face in the helicopter is aclshully covered in end parasites and erm she like, only knows how to speak english but she has another parasite that makes it so she can't speak english and thats why she called QUIET!"I swear, y'all will put up with the dementia addled ramblings of some guy with a piss fetish that he keeps forcing on his whole playerbase because he made maybe four poignant statements in a seven game series
>>740056701The seriousness of this and the pre-release trailers are what baited me into thinking we were going to go full demon mode in MGS V. I went into TPP expecting we would be torturing XOF soldiers to death, forcing slaves to gather blood diamonds for funding, manipulating Cold War conflicts for our benefit, training war orphans into child soldiers, mass producing nukes, developing what became the TX-55, and directly turning Diamond Dogs into the Outer Heaven from Metal Gear 1. Then the game actually came out and we were saving orphans, creating an animal sanctuary, disarming nukes, and taking the fall for the real Big Boss.Like, I get the fact that Venom and Diamond Dogs were victims of Big Boss and he was using us as decoys so he could do the heinous shit I listed above but I still can't help but feel cucked because we don't see it.
>>740057873It doesn't exist and that's a good thing. Paz's R34 depictions should only involve her engaging in gentle lovemaking with Big Boss underneath a cardboard box.
>>740059016He could have at least killed Huey
real life is 1000x worse, but people are afraid to leave their safety bubbleif videogames are to be considered art they have to find a way, through trial and error, to portray these sort of atrocities
>>740053631The only time TPP made me feel weird was in mission 20 before the boss fightIt was kinda disturbing at first
>>740055208They don't talk about thatWhat they DO talk about is how they removed other organs to make room for the bomb and how it didn't really matter how much damage they did as long as she lived just long enough to get on the chopper
>>740053183>That scene in MGS2 where a man randomly grabs another man's crotch was totally normal to me.Figures.
>>740059281
>>740059115Of course they couldn't do that because it would retcon MGS2. But keeping it ambiguous whether he really betrayed MSF and the awkward tension whenever he was on the screen was honestly some of the most entertaining writing in the game. The boat scene in particular was so unintentionally funny and knowing what happens to him from MGS2 made keeping him alive worth it.
>>740059016I have a feeling the game was heavily altered and censored, and the game feeling unfinished and disjointed is a result of that more than the game actually being unfinished. No way they included a trailer of Snake shooting child soldiers in a cell, only for it to get revealed as Snake just shooting the locks for the cell in-game. Also "your words and misdeeds".
>>740053183you think in his first draft he made it so the bomb has a shut down button that he has to use his pp to press?
>>740056701Link to the tapes?
>>740058537There were two. FIB and... Caramel, I think. One of them also believed strongly that there was gonna be some Big Metal Gear/Silent Hill/Death Stranding crossover
>>740059824We're never going to know but I could see it either way:>Konami or one of the other writers censors or tardwrangles him into toning it down>Kojima is actually retarded and thinks what he's doing is brilliant and subversiveThe reason I lean towards the latter is because they seemed to be fine with Ground Zeroes not pulling any punches. But maybe Konami just wasn't aware at the time and put their foot down for The Phantom Pain. It's one thing to do something like that in audio logs but it's something else entirely to do it in cutscenes or gameplay.
>>740056701What in the goddamn…
>>740059686Huey’s absurd indictment of Snake when they were putting him on the boat kinda reminded me of my BPD sister. Ocelot didn’t get to torture him nearly enough.
>>740060182>Kojima is actually retarded and thinks what he's doing is brilliant and subversiveDeath Stranding is the undeniable proof of this. The game’s writing is so embarrassingly shallow that it serves to only make it *worse*, which is something that rarely happens outside of games with virtue signaling or identity politics shoehorned into them.
>>740060865When the drama around MGSV was at its peak, I was on the fuck Konami bandwagon like everyone else and was quick to blame them for how the game turned out. But considering how the past decade played out, I'm leaning more towards fuck Kojima instead. I still resent Konami for being a black company that can't retain any talent and actively avoids doing with its once-great IPs except remake slop and outsourcing them to random studios to make spinoff games. But my opinion of Kojima has plummeted because of how the Death Stranding games have turned out when he has no one to tardwrangle him.
>>740060182Kojima wanted brutal ending for MGS4 and his staff stopped him, I don't think he'd self-censor for MGS.The only reason why he pulled punches for Deathstranding is one of the major reason why Hollywood actors would do a role for videogames (aside from big money) is they want their kid to play their game.A-listers are extremely picky with their job, and if you want to hire them you have to stroke their ego, on top of paying them.
>>740053183
you could say it was an explosive reveal
>>740053183In her what?
>>740059824>no way they had a retarded fakeout to build hype and speculation
>>740057690Baby.
>>740056190He didn't write it. There is a co writing credit and the co writer wrote the novelization. He likely pitched the story to kojima as well. The novelization even talks about sources of inspiration.Kojima was the director and the creator. Not the main writer.>>740057290The jeep ride is basically venom snake's villain monologue about how his identity was stolen from him. If you look at it from that inverse mirroring, it makes a lot more sense.Still nowhere near as good as ground zeros, but the identity erasure commentary is great villain stuff
>>740059016Venom snake was given the burden and sins of having to live up to the legend of Big Boss, and still managed to make moral decisions and be a hero at every turn.>optionally doesnt shoot skullface>can optionally complete the game with zero kills>actually values the lives of his soldiers, honors them as diamonds>spares huey because he knows revenge is an empty dead end>achieves nuclear disarmamentHe's the legend people talk about. Big boss didn't do jack shit. Thats part of the meme of the game.
>>740053183The diamonds scene in MGSV made me truly emotional. These are great games.
Is there a point trying the new remakes out if I hate Kojimas pretentious stigma in his "writing"?
>>740053183The only shocking part was Kaz dropping the only F bomb in the entire franchise
>>740062956Even the in-game cutscene were framed like he was shooting them though, like it was done purposely to a point that it almost looks like a middle finger to the audience, but the game never revealed their intentions or why they did that, so the scene just looks weird.
>>740053183Big Boss canonically had sex with Paz but its unclear if he knew she was an adult pretending to be a child or thought she was a childand Kojima got away with it.
>>740063505Don't one of the beauties say it in MGS4?
>>740063804The glaring intention is that the game sold and marketed to you as an "evil demon downfall" game where you thought you wanted to see a man pushed to breaking. The commentary is that you actually rescue puppies and pick flowers and disarm nukes as a literal POW savint combat medic, and any downfall story, if any even happens during your playthrough, is you sullying the legend of venom snake by becoming no better than big boss.It was all very poorly executed, but that's my read. First time around youre supposed to go "holy shit big boss is going full evil," while second time around youre supposed to think "why did I ever want to see war crimes in a game." Its making a commentary on you, the player, but rather poorly and schizophrenically so nobody really got it. Plus, they did cut the part of the game where we see venom snake napalm an island of children, thus truly completing his downfall into "big boss". Venom Snake is a hero the whole story, but he is stripped away piece by piece in spite of this until nothing is left.
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>>740056701It tries too hard and comes off as silly when you consider it's being done by a guy that wears a Dick Dastardly coat and a 50's desperado mask while controlling a unit that's just Fox spelled backwards because le metaphor. That said, GZ had 10x time the thematic power, quality, and meaning than even a single chapter of the TPP. To think we go from a game willing to embrace extremely grim topics and have a lot to say about the modern world to a game that's a glorified playground to torment NPC Russians is a fucking tragedy.
>>740063931yeah, the first one you fight"it's all so fucking hysterical"
>>740053631>Great cutscenes>Great area for stealth>Great intro/musicThen you get to TPP and it's so fucking empty, just a few strongholds here and there. There's probably like 3 main places and all the rest are just a tiny few tent camps. That's all it needed, some bigger buildings with tons of options for stealth and get rid of the tapes for actual cutscenes which is what MGS is known for.
>>740064351The "glorified playground to torture" is the commentary of the game, I think.>haha being big boss is so quirky and awesome>o-oh wait I was just some dipshit pawn brainwashed to enjoy action hero complexes to justify perpetual warThe themes are there if you do look, and they are decent and are mostly making a commentary about American capitalism. There's a reason the game takes place in Afghanistan and then Zaire; both were countries america meddled in and left worse off for it. And you? Youre just a dog of war with literally no reason to be there, just doing your job or doing it because it's "fun".Replace big boss with america and venom snake with American soldiers and the game makes perfect sense, including the "playground open world."Its too bad the irl references and cool writing had about 1/10th the effort of scanning joost's feet.
>>740058269>executing child soldier POW'sThat was just shock factor for the trailer, he doesn't do it in game, it's different scenes connected to make it look like that.
>>740063986>very poorly executedYea. It has a brilliant idea where a man is gaslit into serving as a body double to his idol so he can be the shitty errand boy using affordable atrocities to build a shadow empire for a man using and abusing him.It's an interesting idea and would have a lot to say about why Big Boss could be regarded as a monster. Sad thing is that I think the game only gets to this accidentally. I feel like Kojima doesn't even see the problem with what was done to Venom and the game treats this as this "you were always the hero" moment that's triumphant in everyway. Which is completely unlike Kojima's writing where you can see him clearly convey his themes and spend, often too much, effort to paint exactly what he's trying to show.What I feel is that compared to the ending section of MGS 2, the 'peak' of TPP feels like fan-fiction wank from someone that doesn't understand the point of the story.
>>740064518In a sense, MGSV is actually venom snake's redemption story as he journeys through a metaphorical hell, and the player and/or big boss (you are one and the same) are the "demon" venom monologues about having to drive out from inside him.By the time the credits roll though and venom rejects the player's control like Raiden did in mgs2, its already too late and he's already too far gone. So he embraces being big boss even in spite of the player, and dies a villain walking off.
Hated all the Units slowing the game down up until you had weapons to kill them.
>>740059263They do in fact talk about that actually and you're retarded.Never post again.
>>740064518You can definitely pick up on the themes but the game doesn't weave them well into gameplay. If it had something to say about that, we wouldn't be fighting Russians or such an obviously bad-guy villain with a schizo motivation. I don't like bringing up because it's so heavy-handed but Spec Ops the Line shows you how you make mindless violence into a dehumanizing mechanic and how the U.S. is really just empire-building with a smile most of the time.
>>740064756This theme really connects to this idea>>740063397Venom snake is *possibly* canonically a really good, heroic person, and possibly the entire *legend* half of "big boss". I think the game is making a commentary though that if you were a careless murderous psychopath, then you were just fucking around while the *real* big boss did real shit, and really youre no better than him because youre a violence glorifying murderer.But a pacifist venom snake played perfectly? His character becomes the personification of the boss's will, he becomes the true legendary big boss, literally saves the planet and disarms all nukes setting up MG1's nuke free world, and is betrayed at the end.That is the point of the demon system. If you play "evil", you are a fake wannabe loser impersonator. If you play "good", then you are the legend whose story was stolen and whose name was erased from history. Either way, you get the big boss downfall story needed. But canonically? Venom snake himself, and you the player, can be good or evil.
>>740064929I really love that venom rides a white horse, wears the boss's bandana, and is forgotten to history as a villain despite being a hero, *exactly* like her. Venom Snake is literally The Boss's successor and will personified, and he never even met her.
>>740064929>>740064984The fake big boss is more real than the real thing.
>>740064901>such an obviously bad-guy villain with a schizo motivation.Cleaning up someone else's dirty laundry arch nemesis that you had nothing to do with, and leaving a sea of blood behind you in doing so though, definitely has some commentary through gameplay.I think its more that his villain motivation is that his face was stolen from him, than anything. That is not a complete schizo motivation, and its the meme that he will implant into venom snake who later has the same root motivation in becoming a villain. They both have their past stolen and lash out as a result. They both also have their anger used against them by larger powers playing larger games.
Mgs3 killed the series
>>740053183>Shocking.Funny*
>>740065763It really did in the sense that it was the death of the mystery that mgs1 and especially mgs2 set up, but I mean that's what happens when you have a creator who continually wants to end the series at every entry point. Answering who the patriots were and making the story more convoluted (the clone shenanigans were already pushing it) really ruined the tone of "simple conspiracy spy thriller" that the early games had going for them.MGS2 was a fucking mindfuck and should have been the end of the series. It predicted 9/11 before it happened, and the final boss is George Bush. Its actually an insane game in retrospect and any attempt to top it was doomed to fail.
>>740056701>also we need to shove an extra large one up her varginia>so large it stretches her out and rips the skin going in even though we oiled it upI don't remember this casette. If the bomb was so big, why didn't Snake and the doctor notice it when they cut her open to take the other out?
>>740055997That was all the Hungarian Skull Face. Those Marines/XOF goobers were just following orders
>>740053183When I think of Metal Gear this is always the first thing that comes to mind and I only played Ground Zeroes once compared to MGS1 and 3 which I've played dozens of times.
>>740053183Was it actually in her cunt? I assumed they surgically placed it in her womb since that would at least be an natural chamber to place one. That or they shoved it up her ass which would be funny.
>>740056701Reminds me of the Outlast 2 rape audio that was cut
>>740056701>rips the skin
>>740066696Paz is a teenager anon, their bodies are not ready for adult cocks.
>>740066737Paz is like 25. She's like the opposite of jailbait
>>740063804Venom Snake canonically napalms an island full of children in the cut kingdom of the flies. The only ones that can get wolbachia treatment are those whose voice haven't cracked yet. I bet this was going to be ambiguous, and *technically* this could mean they all survive, but venom snake himself is clearly torn up over it and looks in the mirror in the helicopter and sees a demon looking back as the mission ends. He at least *thinks* he killed Eli who we know externally survived, but I think this scene is also implying there's more not being rescued. At the very least, venom thinks himself responsible for the death of at least one child, and that's why he has a downfall at all. He cant wash eli's blood off his hands (and potentially the other children's too), and he died never learning that Eli survived.This is an extremely dark under discussed part of MGSV that was cut, and I wouldn't be surprised if konami told them to dial it back, even if it were ambiguous how many of the children escaped. Even if they all escaped, venom still sterilizes (aka fucking genocides) a group of African children to protect the English language.If this is what happened in the cut mission, then the earlier scene in the mines is just foreshadowing of this happening later on in the story. I think this might even be where the cut burning village scene fits in. Could be post-napalm strike island from kingdom of the flies.That's my theory.
>>740066872https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Krc1t4HU8GIImagine the scene in this trailer is post kingdom of the flies. Those burning corpses don't look like theyre all adults. I think this is Venom after the napalm strike.
>>740066794They are BIG cocks.
>>740056701The tapes were really fucking brutal and they made me think that TPP was really going to be about Big Boss doing all kind of fucked up stuff like recruting child soldiers and torturing captured XOF operators. This way we would be shown how he became the man he was in MG1.Instead we got to make our own zoo in Motherbase and the ending is the most retarded and useless twist in videogame history, while all the cool shit happens off-screen.
>>740067118Lucky bitch...
>>740067243>Instead we got to make our own zoo in MotherbaseReally, anon? Just because there's a lot of African child soldiers there, that makes it a zoo? Sick fuck
>>740053183>shockingbut South Park already did the "Snuke in the Snizz" thing years before it
>>740067464You have to excuse Kaz, he's very angry.
>>740067464
>>740066872I could almost see this being it. Like the whole game is schizophrenically based around warping venom's mind until he finds himself doing awful shit for nonsensical reasons, like blowing up islands to prevent "parasites", and the final product just had most of this cut and the ending twist rushed in, instead.MGSV has a completed rising third and a solid middle, but fails to deliver that final nail in the coffin for a true downfall.
>>740056701Oh shit, just remembered MGS5 had two games somehow.
>>740067243Consider: it intentionally leaves room for several metal gear sequels under a new dev.>mgsv sequel closing off the loose threads>a true mgs5 as a meta joke/extra ruse eventually? Perhaps where you play as the real big boss in the 80s>an entirely new snake to play around with, with 10 years of writing roomIt might take awhile, but if metal gear ever gets truly revived, it creates some good setup.As an ultimate finale, it does blow that more interesting stuff happens offscreen and we may never see the real big boss.
>>740053183>theres a bomb in my...
small bombs
Talk about giving a girl an explosive orgasm.
>L..LOOK OUT SNAKE ITS A SNUKE
>>740053183>Paz: Dead>Chico: Dead>Skullcuck: Dead>Big Boss: Dead>Unnamed soldier who got ordered by Skullface to rape Paz: Probably aliveHe won
>>740070194We'll never know the boss mechanics of the unnamed Paz Dispenser.
>>740066872>American war monger killing African children to protect English languageNow vocal parasite thing makes much more sense with that metaphor, I always thought that plot device was random and didn't really go anywhere.
>>740064531Reading comprehension isn't your forte, eh?
>>740056701I didn't listen to all the tapes, I've only played through most of MGSV but why the fuck did they do these characters so dirty?
