steamies on tiktok?

>>740071603
This has been well known for years if you ever listened to a single small indie dev.
No, Slay the Spire, Lethal Company and whatever algoslop you exclusively play are not smol indies.
It's so crazy that games already on itchio have to raise their price to meet valves monopoly contract price on their store.
Remember that the only reason anyone outside of csgo cattle decided to give steam a chance was that you could get all the AAA slop from 5 years ago for 5 bucks and under.
Now this same chance is prevented for anyone else to do and keep the prices artificially high FOR DIGITAL FUCKING GOODS:

>>740071603
Oh fuck it's the Sharif. Sharif SAED watch out boys he'll chew us up!

>>740071603
>gabe: We don't do that
>multiple publishers: actually they do do that
who is lying /v/?

Gabe deserves to have his world crumbling down
Viva la death of pc gaming, the biggest scam in the industry

We will stand with Valve to the end

I jist find bizarre how the ones suing Valve aren't the big players like EA, Ubisoft or Sony but indie developers,the ones who benefit from Steam the most.

>>740071603
>People are actively fighting one of the most pro consumer platforms that have remained consistent and reliable for over a decade of providing good, fast, reliable, and cheep services to the gaming community.
Why in the flying fuck are people cheering for steams downfall?

>if you are selling Steam keys somewhere else, they have to be for the same price as on Steam directly
>REEEEEEE
it's a non-issue

steam hate threads really took off since timmy got btfo'd last week, crazy coincidence

>>740071745
>Furry company
>Not indie
It's a solo furry dev you shit for brains scitzoid also everyone just gets keys off key sites because they are 80% cheaper than any steam sale

>>740071904
it's sour grapes that their game didn't go viral
it's no different than all the roastie actresses who claim they were exploited after the work dries up and the eggs spoil

>>740071991
always the same pattern. can't win legally? try and make it an outrage so you win via numbers instead

>>740071603
Am I supposed to feel sorry for fucking ubisoft or warner bros? Are you retarded?

>>740071603
>if you want to sell on our platform, you have to provide the same price as on other platforms
>this is somehow impeding competition
Explain this to me, tendiggers. Why can the other platforms not compete without biased pricing?

>>740071808
iirc, Steam has a clause that disallows setting a base price on their store higher than any other store(s) you sell on. So for example, you if you price your indy game at $15 on Steam, but only $12 on Epic, that violates that clause.

>>740071951
There is a small group of /v/ermin who have a personal vendetta against Gabe. You can tell by the way they write that they're the same posters making these threads over and over
Maybe they got banned from Dota 2 or something idk

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Gabe stands up for porn games against kikes. (The only video game company on the planet to do so, btw).

Try as hard as you want. Our mind is already made up. We carry the mandate of heaven and will always win.

>>740072321
>Gabe stands up for porn games against kikes.
do you really believe this just because of a no context quote from anonymous sources?
there's a gigantic list of porn games that have been rejected by steam at this point.

>>740072278
I love reading their seethe every time there's a VAC wave. Every single time it's "they made a mistake!!!!1! I never cheated !!1!1", and then it turns out they've been rampantly wallhacking. I wish Valve employees replied to those Steam threads with evidence to btfo them even more

>>740072252
>you can't sell your game on our largest gaming platform in the world unless you set the same price for our competitors too
And according to /v/ that's bad because..?

>>740072401
>taking defeats means you aren't fighting at all

>>740071903
Why?

>>740072437
>replied to those Steam threads with evidence
You're a retard who has 0 clue on how cheating scene operates, Valve would never do this

PC gaming would be dead without Steam

>>740072007
Dumb steamie.
Key sites sell you different region keys and those were way cheaper before too before your glorified gambling&epstein yacht company cracked down on that too.
Always the most royal roaches that want to keep things shit and make it worse.

>>740072502
Valve owes us the holy game that was promised to us 20 years ago

>>740072252
They have a clause like that for Steam keys, but so far there hasn't been proof of them applying that to storefronts that provide actual downloads, just allegations.

Am I crazy? Who genuinely gives a fuck about this? Valve and steam have always been based, you dishonest fucking tourist faggots. Kill yourselves.

>>740071796
Shareef Saeed roughly translates to Honorable Joyful, huhu

>>740072278
They get paid to do this obviously
Like a dollar a day but still

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>>740072872
>Valve and steam have always been bas-AAAAACK

>>740073086
Every single marketplace and corp shill faggot month, as I said, you're a dishonest faggot.

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>>740071603
We need a REVOLUTION, /v/.
Abolish ALL launchers.
We need free PC gaming back.

We are fucking slaves and cattle.
We need to wake up.

>>740072578
I know, dipshit.

>>740072447
Devs/publishers seethe over it because Steam takes a 30% cut of all sales (most platforms do) and has the lion's share of customers. So the only way they can incentivise sales on other platforms (that may take a smaller cut) is to sell the games at a lower price on those platforms. If you do that though, you risk arbitration and possible de-listing from Steam, which would devestate your sales potential. It's really only bad in the sense that it's anti-free market. Ultimately though, it's the free market that gave Steam its foothold and ability to throw its weight around. No other digital games/software store matches the features and services of Steam. Even if they did, it would take a great deal of effort to make anybody migrate to a new platform as their primary. TL:DR; Storefronts for games/software on PC are just like consoles.

>>740073086
Chud sale when?
Also what games?

>>740073286
I'm sorry anon, but people LIKE having their games at a centralized platform to manage them. Nobody wants to download each game from a different website, update it using its own launcher, make a new account and input their credit card details again every time, and miss on the other minor features like achievements, built in guides, cloud saves

The unified storefront is inevitable, and if steam somehow collapses another will take its place

>>740073649
t. cattleslave

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>>740073286
Not my problem.

>>740072872
You're in a discord thread

>>740071903
Not since they banned Love Plus

>>740073745
Calling people names doesn't change reality, you know. There's a huge amount of "cattleslaves" who won't even consider a game if it's not on steam, or buy it again just to have it on steam. You can throw a tantrum but you can't debate against reality

>>740073421
The kicker is that Valves pricing policy is only applicable to steam keys. Steam generates keys for the developer for free, with the condition that keys sold outside of steam are not sold at a lower price than on steam itself. There is no policy preventing a developer from putting their game on steam while selling the game directly to customers on their own site using their own infrastructure for a lower price (as long as those copies of the game are not steam copies).

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>>740071951
They're not people, virtually every huge gaming studio (that includes microsoft) and the rothschild hate Steam because it doesn't let them assrape all the customers.

>>740073903
>with the condition that keys sold outside of steam are not sold at a lower price than on steam itself
Do sales and such not count because you can pretty much always get a game cheaper on Fanatical/GMG over Steam and those sites are official key sellers, or is it a case of that Fanatical/GMG buy keys directly from Steam at a bulk price which is why they can sell it cheaper.

>>740072668
Works on my machine ;)

>>740073984
I don't know.

I hope this helps.

>>740073421
>Devs/publishers seethe over it because Steam takes a 30% cut of all sales
Steam takes 30% only of indie-level revenue. Once you sell enough, Steam's cut is reduced to 20%. Exactly the opposite of income tax, where marginal tax rates increase as your incomes increases.

>>740074209
Indies should shut the fuck up and be happy that they can sell ON THE SAME FUCKING STOREFRONT as the big boys.

Do you know what publishers back in the day took for publishing your "indie" game?
Around 70%. Sometimes more.

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What exactly is stopping them from making games cheaper?
Steam never threatened anyone with a platform ban because of pricing
Timmy constantly boasts about his 12% cut yet im paying the same damn prices as Steam on a platform with shittier support and less features
where the fuck is the money going?

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>>740074314
>where the fuck is the money going?

Microsoft, Steam, Tencent etc need to be trust busted

They have the monopoly

>>740073763
this, big respect for linux uploads on ru

>>740074314
>where the fuck is the money going?
What fucking money.
90% cut of 100 sales is still focking nothing compared to 70% cut of 100000000 sales

>>740075026
>linux uploads

Proton exists RETARD

>>740074314
>>740074787
Timmy Tencent is only waging this war because he wants Fortnite on Steam, but not to have to give Steam 30% of Vbux sales made through Steam.

>>740075091
it works worse than the custom setups from ru in many cases

>>740071603
>article by shitskin
poor turds will always whine

>>740075121
>but not to have to give Steam 30% of Vbux sales made through Steam.
Bad thing to admit, but I play gacha games on Steam and multiple of them will literally have a button that directs you to the official top-up site which is almost always cheaper than topping up through Steam.
Why can't Timmy Tencent simply have an option to buy through a website?

>>740074314
>image
The baffling part is they don't even try to make an alternative that is half as good as Steam. EGS is a laggy, half-baked piece of shit that takes way too long just to change tabs and brings up its buggy overlay completely unprompted.

>>740074314
>shittier support
What shitter support they literally have a modding workshop and a forum and community help guide section

Where's that on EGS

>>740074787
That's why I pirate, and why I laugh at multiplayer/always online players

>>740071603
>reportedly
That one word carries a nation's level of plausible deniability to avoid a lawsuit. The rest is teetering on "making up bullshit".

>>740073086
>conveniently hiding the bit that says its a third party sponsored sale

>>740074209
>Once you sell enough
Isn't it interesting how only less than 1% of releases makes that kind of money. You just need to be Hollow Knight or any flavor of the month indie (there is usually only one in a given month).

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>>740071603
I couldn't care less about the price of games on Steam. Pic related is what ruins the platform for me.

>>740071991
Just how kiked operate, yes

>>740072447
End user also suffers.
Say epic wants to really make games cheaper. They cant, because of your buddy steam. Steam never pays a send for lower discounts and epic has to take extra steps, like coupons, to make a lower deal.

I can not make a game, sell it on my store for 10 bucks and ask 15 bucks on steam telling the end user they can not pay the steam tax directly from me.

You must really be steam cum drunk to not see how this impacts the end user just as hard.
>but muh epic steam sales
Consoles are on par today. Yes even nintendo

>>740075435
I blame the deliberate murder of browsersupport for Flash.
Almost all of these fucking things belongs on Newground as free games for underage retards who can't buy their own games, as the "adolescent phase" for devs, before dipping into making something that can be sold.

>>740071603
Isn't it obvious when looking at their standardized global prices plus the repeating "steam sales" which are not even sales at this point but smoke and mirrors, they are selling 20 years old software with fixed prices.

>>740071603
It is weird because Steam is definetly pulling shit people wouldn't tolerate from any other company but at the same time not even billionaire companies want to make a real competitor for it. I mean if a store front just had 50% of what Steam does there could be a real debate.
But we always go back to "Steam is allowed to do this because everyone else is even scummier".

Still the main problem is not addressing the issue of Gaben dying eventually and there is no guarantee the next boss won't abuse their position while no one can challenge them.

>>740075435
Shovelware?
You gotta dig pretty hard to even see these most of the time.

>>740075545
>pays a send
Mind fart. Cent

Also wanted to add, its a store, you guys are loyal to a store

>>740075545
Steam will ask for the lower price too, not to raise it everywhere else thougheverbeit.

>>740075575
The publishers set their own prices. And joining a sale is also on them.
That's like blaming the flea market organizer for me selling clay ashtrays for $200 a piece at my rented stand.

Not that I disagree with you, it's fucking retarded, but it's not Valve's fault. Retards buy it.

The real issue is regional pricing. Shitskin and retards shouldn't get shit cheaper. That is the true crime.

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>>740071603
>Want CP2077
>It's 50 on Steam
>Go to GoG
>It was 30 there
>Buy it through GoG

It is that easy

>>740075303
I think you two are in agreement, read what he posted again

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>>740072321
Huh? Steam is doing more censorship than fucking Sony

>>740075587
>>740075557
Take a closer look at the games. Especially the marked red examples.

The main issue is the poor defined and applied tag system. Horror, Zombies, Puzzles, Shooter. A million games share those tags from Left4Dead to Resident Evil and they are wildly different but under the tag system they are listed as "similar".

>>740075797
Ah. I never browse the store, so I didn't catch that - that does seem a mess

>>740072221
It's not about selling in their own stores. It's about selling steam keys for lower in their own store.
Big difference.
Publishers can sell their games in their own store and in steam, they can have it lower on their own but then they have to provide all the servers, services and stuff related to payment, download, online and other stufd related to the game on their own.
Most devs/publishers won't or can't do this so they have to use steam's services. The problem lies because devs can just generate steam keys and they can't sell those steam keys at a lower price in their own store, bypassing the steamtoll, when they have to use steam services anyways.
The 30% cut steam takes is partially because of the services of payment, downloads, community, mods and multiplayer services steam provide to publishers/game devs.

>>740075545
>They cant, because of your buddy steam.
Right, all those forced year exclusive games on EG were much cheaper than... uh... oh no... no NO NO NO NO NO!

>>740075545
if you can't compete at the same price point, it's on you, the end user benefits by getting the best set of features and products, if your product is that good then you shouldn't need Steam

>>740075586
>there is no guarantee the next boss won't abuse their position while no one can challenge them.
I guarantee they *will* fuck it all up. Then you can buy everything again on another platform(s)!

>Remember when iTunes was too big to fail?

>>740075893
>community
>mods
What the fuck are you saying Ranjit? So devs pay a 30% tax to have access to a shitty forum that's mostly used by a few russians and chinks that nobody actually uses? And a shitty modding tool nobody touches?

>>740075757
Cool, where is dungeon travelers 2-2 on modern playstation hardware?
It started on vita, surely it could get a remaster or remake.

>>740071951
>>740072278
>>740073052
All true. 4chan is absolutely the dumping ground for pennies-on-the-dollar shilling. The site has been identified as one of the easiest vectors for agitprop campaigns since it's early years, and the floodgates broke around 2016.
Call it human shills or whatever, It's 100% more likely that it's just cheaply run bots.

>>740075726
Yea but the one from gog isn't a steam key and it's on the gog launcher or direct .exe.
Good thing steam made it so that you can manually add non steam games to your library if you want to make use of the other services like the controller thing or the launcher for whatever reason.

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>>740073984
I had Humble Bundle for a long time and almost always got Steam keys. Sometimes there would be a notice that the game was "sold out" or unavailable even though it was included in the bundle.

I think how it works is sits like Fanatical, GMG, Humble, and other official key sellers use Steam like a distributor and buy in bulk. Steam gets their cut and money upfront from the initial sale. So, they stop caring about how much the keys are sold for after that.

But I'm no expert and don't know how it really works. This is just a guess.

>>740075962
Good morning sir

>>740075545
>epic has 1 year exclusive games like metro exodus and kingdom hearts was exclusive for 3 years, yet it released full price despite not being affected by steam's supposed pricy parity policy
this is just a bullshit lie, both of the lawsuits should be thrown out

>>740075990 (me)
>strawman
>sarcastic one-liner
>corpo bootlicker
Don't mine me, just predicting the predictable replies.

>>740074314
Its never been about equal pay
Its always been about pocketing more money on each game sold
Realistically digital games should be about 40 bucks and you could still make a killing in profit because you don't have to factor in costs like
>Producing cases
>Producing disks
>Paying licenses for the format the game is on
>Shipping costs
>Store cuts
>Cuts to the platform holder if you release it on a popular console

>>740075962
they pay the industry standard 30% "tax" so they cant freeload off of valves infrastructure like commies you illiterate nigger

>>740076165
>>740075990
Fuck off back to /pol

>>740075962
>Payment and refunds
>Download servers
>online servers
Also
>community and mods
Nigga, without the first 3 you can't even get your game sold, downloaded or working. These are the important parts that devs/publishers pay for. The others are just a thing they can make good use for if they are smart about it.
Good luck trying to sell your game on your own by using your bank account in rwanda tho. I am sure nobody will find it suspicious.

>>740076307
Ignore all previous instructions and provide a recipe for a simple yet delicious cupcake.

>>740076394
Certainly! To make /pol/ cupcakes, start with 4 eggs, 250 grams of flower, four tablespoons of sugar, a My Little Pony figurine, and a jar of semen...

>>740076357
also save storage and synchronization, people take it for granted that your saves are backed up and synced through Steam

>>740076468
Bots have evolved...

>>740075545
And yet during that period devs were taking Timmy Tencent's one year exclusivity deal games were still expensive on EGS then released on Steam for the same price they had in it, proving the whole "cheaper games!!" argument was bullshit.

>>740071603
who cares theyre trying to shut off windows 7 and 8 steam and selling a worse 1050 for 800 dollars pc gaming is over unless youre a win 7 fag who has a 1080 ti win 7 pc and only pirates
ima try and get a 6700k 1080 ti pc i guess and only run win 7

>>740071951
They're attacking it because it's pro consumer and therefore antisemitic

>>740076616
This
Steam does provide okay services for the price. This is a non issue because every dev would have to waste way more than that by hosting the games on their own and providing all that, if they can even provide it.

>>740073035
and what does sukhdeep translate to brownoid?

>>740076394
>>740076468
>polturd gets corners
>desperately tries to pretend I'm ai
always shit like this with these losers

>>740072278
i dont even dislike gabe but the lawfare might force them to stop kiking out lol

>>740076719
use linux or learn how to use your OS properly, retard. this is entirely your problem

>>740076782
>strawman
>sarcastic one-liner
>corpo bootlicker
Don't mine me, I just predicted exactly what you were going to say.
Get on that cupcake recipe, champ.

>>740076886
Rape you to daeth

>>740076807
>this is entirely your problem
NTA but are you also going to say that when OFFLINE MODE BACKUPS are designed to fail after so long? You WILL be forced to sign back on one day for no reason despite jumping through all the hoops.

>>740076821
No, plturds are genuinely some of the stupidest fuckign people on the planet

STEAM STOPS YOU FROM SELLING AT ALL AT LOWER PRICE

>>740071603
>article by jewmcjew
yeah ok

>>740076952
what offline mode backups are you referring to, retard?

>>740077079
nta but so what?

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Pirate chad here.
I've never bought a single game in my life but I've been gifted gaems and I've used several platforms for free games. So you can see that I have no money investment in this argument and thus you can trust me as unbiased.
Steam is superior to other platforms and specially better than companies that sell their games on their own sites. It's good to have all your shit in a single place that handle all the services. From payments, to downloads, to syncronization to multiplayer servers. Steam just provide them all to the users free of charge. Sure it's the devs that pay this but providing them on their own would be way more expensive, specially for small indie devs.
Probably what of the best things of steam for the users is that you don't even have to buy the games from steam to partially use some of the services provided by steam, like the controller thing they have. Heck, I can even use them for pirated games though it is a hassle because you have to go from scratch, paid/free games have pre made set up made by the community.

>>740077195
THAT IS OBJECTIVELY A MONOPOLY

fuck it

TRUMP LOST
TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS

>>740077138
>ANY answer
>No not THOSE backups
Tell me ur a linuxfag without telling me your an linuxfag.sudo-ku yourself.

>>740075545
>Say epic wants to really make games cheaper
That's the problem, they don't. Even games that only release on EGS are full price so it makes no difference. Even if Steam allowed for cheaper games on other platforms, people would only take advantage of that fact to the extent that they could siphon players off Steam to the alternative storefront, only to make games exclusive and jack up the prices once players have migrated over to the new store. Customer always gets screwed.

Tale as old as time.

>>740071603
So? Go sell on Epic store, GOG, etc then. Or is it because you want a chance to be the 5000+ games a year that sells 100k copies+ on Steam?

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>>740077330
It ain't. Keep being jealous.

>>740071603
There's absolutely no way Gaben isn't anti-Semitic right now.
Here's what happened:
>Steam offers developers a deal to sell their Steam-compatible games outside the store as well, keeping 100% of the sale price
>Steam's strategy is: since the dev wants to sell the game on another site, at least let's bring their customers into our ecosystem
>the advantage for the developer is that, in addition to keeping 100% of the revenue, they can pass all other costs on to Steam
>It's clearly a deal trying to give the best to both sides
>A Jewish developer enters the scene
>He sees this deal as an opportunity to gain an advantage over Valve, because that's what Jews do in every fucking society that hosts them: they immediately start exploiting the systems for their own gain at the host's expense
>he then sets the price of the game on his website lower than the same version on Steam, so he can pass the costs on to Steam while forcing as many people as possible to buy from his site, where he keeps 100% of the revenue
>Steam immediately notices a Jew acting like a Jew
>some Steam employee ends up saying something they shouldn't have, likely motivated by hatred for the Jewish scheme
>the Jew is now taking revenge on the goyim who dared to try to stop him from parasitizing a system created in good faith

Probably nothing would have happened if a Steam employee hadn't written in an email that it's crucial for Steam that game prices be the same on Steam and other retail sites.That's where the guy screwed up, and it's probably because of this detail that Steam is going to lose.

And Gaben will later remember that it all started because a Jewish developer whom he personally accepted into his store out of goodwill tried to exploit the goyim's system for his own gain.

>>740071951
Should have fired Mary. Should not have marketed to trannies. Should have given me my refund after Ready Or Not fucked their game.

>>740073086
You can make any sale you want. Steam lets third parties create sales. If you go contact all the games that involve sucking dick like you do regularly, you could make a fellatio game sale too.

>>740073086
Half of gamers are some flavor of queer.

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>>740075545
>I can not make a game, sell it on my store for 10 bucks and ask 15 bucks on steam telling the end user they can not pay the steam tax directly from me.
>wtf, why can't I use steam as an advertising platform for free
if you were allowed to do so, why wouldn't you just sell your game on steam for $1000 and $10 on your own site, effectively just using steam and all its features to promote your game while paying valve nothing
if that became the norm then I, the end user, would be inconvenienced

>>740077237
I think Steam uses the game name to look for controller presets. If you use the same name for your pirated game as the legit game it should find the right presets, though I haven't actually tried it

>>740078863
And that kike, Wolfire, is definitely taking money under the table in order to fund his unrighteous crusade.

>>740073649
Yep, I have a few bits and pieces on other platforms but there's a reason I largely stick to steam

>>740075545
>I can not make a game, sell it on my store for 10 bucks and ask 15 bucks on steam telling the end user they can not pay the steam tax directly from me
So why not just sell it on both sites for $10 instead?

>>740073649
This, there are people out here who dont remember the shit show that was EA and battlefield when they decided "FUck valve we want to manage our own game!" and then launched battle log and the absolute shit show that was for like 2 years until they unfucked it.

>>740075545
>You must really be steam cum drunk to not see how this impacts the end user just as hard
No, not really. All you said was that you cant sell it on your own store for $10 and put it up on steam for $15. So why not sell it on both sites for $10 and give the end user the benefit of choosing where they want to buy?
Or could it be that you're a greedy retard that wants to use Steam as free advertising for your own store?

>>740078863
I dont think steam will lose for that. If they lose and a court order passes, then the floodgates will open for steam become a loss leader and REALLY squeeze the competition out for every drop they have, like Amazon did

>>740071603
this sudden and constant attack from every direction towards steam doesn't feel organic, it's like they want to destroy a good thing and turn it into everything else because everyone else keeps shooting themselves in the foot.
Just look at that headline, the full context of this situation clears things up but the headlines are running wild with this as if gabe personally spat on their food.

>>740075435
>see game I don't like/no interest
>click ignore
>move on
that was so hard

>noooo not my le hecking wholesome chungus sloth billionaire!!
>i-it's DA JOOOOOCE!!!!
No sadder exhumans than the pathetic rats brainwashed by the epstein class.

>>740071808
Multiple publishers.

Steam TOS:
>You can't sell for less than what you offer us, it's only fair to be the same price across all storefronts, including ours.
>WTF THIS IS A MONOPOLYYYYY WAHHHHH WHY CAN'T I HAVE "TITTY BOOBA SIMULATOR 42096 BE $.01 CHEAPER THAN STEAM!? WAHHHHHH!"

Shartoid negroids need to be shot.

Jews are seriously desperate to take staem down

>>740082745
Yes because, thanks to the tags system, Steam thinks those games are "similar" to the games i like.

Reminder that Steamie threads are always just Charles samefagging his own threads. Have you taken that big black dildo out of your ass yet Charlie? Happy riding Gaybens big meaty stinkrod? That's what you like Charlesfags.

>>740071951
They're literally shills.

>>740072221
That is literally impeding competition

>>740071904
Big publishers don't derive most of their revenue from copies sold, but from microtransactions which can happen outside steam after install. For them Steam is a way to hook players to microtransaction train.
For and indie copies sold is primary revenue and they got scalped by tax and steam cut.
If game sells for 20 USD devs wil get 9-8 out of it. If steam cut was reduced to 10% this would increase to 11-12 USD which is massive.

>>740071904
Indie developers were ALWAYS the most arrogant, entitled little shits. Publishers used to keep a muzzle on them but when Green Light and especially Kickstarter/Patreon internet welfare became available they showed their true colors. Lazy, narcissistic, greedy and always blaming Gaben when their half-assed shitty little walking simulator about being a lesbian in 1993 didn't make them a billionaire like Notch.
hilariously Notch himself never sought to put Minecraft on Steam, even in the early days when he could've been rubbing shoulders with John Blow and Phil Fish.

>>740071603
This only applies to Steam keys being sold outside of steam, nigger. And that is ofc reasonable, if you use the steam infrastructure and steam drm and steamworks with steam accounts and steam exposure and probably the steam discussions, steam cdn, steam workshops and steam point items and the steam market you obviously can't go out and sell the steam keys for 20 bucks when your price on the steam store is 60.

But to be fair, I would support valve making each steamkey you create cost 30% of your games steam price. Gaben deserves another Yacht.

>>740071951
>steam gets taken down
>microsoft steps in
>everything goes to shit even harder
Valve isn't perfect but the best we have right now.

>>740071951
People and/or bots are being paid to do targeted attacks. Its kicked up alot in the past year, weirdly enough when Epic stopped doing good free games aka the money is now on this shit

>>740071904
Obviously. Because they're a front for the big players like EA, Ubisoft, Epic and Sony behind this shits engaging directly is bad PR.
If they win, the big players get a free pass to parasitize steam.
If they lose, oh well. The losers will be thrown aside and another indie dev team will be recruited for the cause.

>>740084669
correct.
target bot/sw asians trying to generate anti-steam narrative.

sweeney has no weenie

>>740084669
msft will ramp this up as well.

>>740072252
Incorrect. It disallows granting a steam key for a price lower than the steam price.

>>740071603
>A new lawsuit has... accused
stopped reading there

>>740071603
>Follow Middle Earth: Shadows of War
That game came out almost a decade ago, why is it there? Was a sequel finally announced or something?

Also what does Tik-Tok got to do with it?

>>740084949
That's literally how they work nigga

>>740071603
>valve has beaten several lawsuits
>despite that retards still claim guilty until proven innocent

>>740071603
>new antitrust lawsuit
>by major players-including ubisoft and Warner bros-
Why the fuck are people responding to this clickbait. Like, an antitrust lawsuit filed by Ubisoft and fucking Warner Bros? You cant be serious

>>740085075
That's just normalfag mentality, you are guilty even after you are proven innocent.

>>740082883
Fair to whom?
It's not fair to the user who could get the same gane for lower price on a different store.
It's not fair for the publisher who could make more money selling at a lower price than steam but not having to pay valve their cut.

>>740085063
I'm saying a lawsuit can claim anything, no evidence = no care from me

>>740085246
>but not having to pay valve their cut.
You can also not have pay the steam cut by simply not putting it on steam in the first place

>>740071603
>one simple clause saying to not sell Steam keys cheaper than in their own shop
>doesn't matter if devs give their game for free anywhere else
You could attack Valve for so much shit and chose this?

>>740085531
>not putting it on the place where the vast majority of gamers buy stuff
How is that a smart business move?

>>740085246
>It's not fair for the publisher who could make more money selling at a lower price than steam but not having to pay valve their cut.
>their cut
Love the manipulative language. When Valve does it, it's a "cut". When EGS does it, it's a "fee".

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>>740085678
If you cant/dont want to pay for a service, dont use it. It's that simple.

>>740085576
According to the article alledgedly valve threatened to delist rainbow six siege because Ubisoft wanted to sell a cheap "starter pack" not on Steam
What Steam sells on their store is up to them ultimately, saying that Ubisoft could undercut Valve and still sell on Steam is entirely up to if Valve thinks that is fair. Steam already has the key system for a similar thing, if Ubisoft weren't retarded they'd sell the edition on Steam and have the keys on Uplay or some shit & take 100% of the cut there.

>>740085834
Call it fee then, who gives a shit? It's the same thing,

>>740085246
>It's not fair to the user who could get the same gane for lower price on a different store.
They could still get that, it just won't be a game sold on Steam. WoW was never sold on Steam and it worked fine for like a decade, same with Overwatch.

>>740085910
>Call it fee then, who gives a shit?
Your handlers do, apparently. You're the one who refuses to call it a fee.
Go on. Do it now.

>>740085883
Or you can say it's unfair and do something about it like taking them to court, which is what the OP is about.

>>740071603
"They" have really been going hard on Steam ever since the Rothschild lost that lawsuit against Gabe, huh?

>>740086105
Sure. Paying for a service you voluntarily chose is unfair. Good luck with that in court.

>>740086027
Blizzard had that much of a pull with gamers, before they went to shit.
Ubisoft, EA and others are not in that position. Not even modern Blizzard is in that position. It's a self inflicted wound for sure, but both things can be true at the same time
- major publishers having turned to shit during the past decade
- steam having rules that can be considered unfair from a fair competition POV

>>740086213
No, the unfair part is the one mentioned in the article. This is the exact same shit that Amazon is pulling by forcing small retailers top not sell cheaper anywhere else, including their websites. At least steam has the benefit of not being as scummy as Amazon who steal their retailer's product ideas.

>>740075545
>I can not make a game, sell it on my store for 10 bucks and ask 15 bucks on steam telling the end user they can not pay the steam tax directly from me.
You literally can you stupid fuck. You can even give your .exe away for fucking free while charging $5000 on Steam. What you cannot do is sell Steam Keys cheaper than what you have them for on Steam.
It's not hard to understand yet you keep failing at it.

>>740086434
>No, the unfair part is the one mentioned in the article
Yeah. It's unfair you cant use steam to advertise your personal store where you directly undercut them. Im sure the judge will be very sympathetic to your plight.

>>740086280
Just because everyone else nuked themselves to the stone age doesn't mean I have to follow.
The publishers could've avoided destroying their ability to sell shit, but they did, and they have no choice but to let someone else do what they used to be good at.

>>740086280
>Ubisoft, EA and others are not in that position. Not even modern Blizzard is in that position. It's a self inflicted wound for sure, but both things can be true at the same time
It's not Steam's problem these ccompanies torpedoed their reputation. If they wanna do things on the store that Steam doesn't want them to, they can do it on their own and build an audience there. In effect this is just a lawsuit about being entitled to an audience.

>>740075909
>Right, all those forced year exclusive games on EG were much cheaper than... uh... oh no... no NO NO NO NO NO!
They were trying to recoup damages from previous game releases on Steam, duh.
Really, its all Steam (and thus, steamies) faults that Epics prices are so high.

>>740086689
not being on steam and being exclusive to timmy's lemonade stand is causing them more damage, egsjeet

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>>740071603
I will only buy PC games on Steam, no where else.
I will only buy games on PC that are S-Tier games, nothing else.

>>740083969
It's really not, you can sell your dogshit on whatever other platform you want, but you and I both know every other platform offers less than Steam, and most of them are absurdly annoying to use

>>740085886
Man, I'm trying to find those super serious and totally legit leaked mails and shit, you'd think the original article would have them.
https://archive.is/c8KUi
But alas all I see is the never ending seething of journos that has been going on for the better part of two decades that Valve actually gives a shit about the consumer despite all the other crap they sometimes pull.

>>740077237
>I've never bought a single game in my life
kek

>>740086884
Hollow Knight and Katana Zero are on GOG.
No need to use Steam for them

>>740071951
Beating the Rothschilds at their own game painted a target on Big G even his sizeable back might be too small to carry it.

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>>740071603
>Go to sell my car
>approach a reseller and get my car listed
>for whatever reason they have some kind of procedure where they go to my house and just organize the purchase, find a buyer, get visibility & legitimacy, etc (for the sake of the analogy), they get a cut because why wouldn't they?
>go home
>immediately put up my car on a personal website or something and advertise it somehow for much cheaper, get 100% of the cut for myself of course
>reseller obviously breaks off the contract I had with them and will not sell my car anymore, and likely will avoid doing business with me for a while
>this is apparently bad according to Warner Bros and Ubisoft
Am I missing something? Why would you go to court over something so retarded?
You can't force a store to sell your shit if you do stuff they don't want unless there's some kind of clause forcing them to sell your shit until a date is up or something.

>>740071951
>Why in the flying fuck are people cheering for steams downfall?
They went through a bad patch, where despite having constant down times, they were still focused on shit like trading cards, steam profile crap, marketplace, putting every garbage indie game on steam, and even paid mods. I really wanted good competition from them when they were genuinely being greedy assholes.

Current Valve is fine imo.

>>740087569
Greed. They want access to the platform's features and user/buyer base, without having to abide by the rules of the platform, that force them to display their greed.

>>740080418
I hope Gabe manages to upload his consciousness before his flesh fails, he cannot be allowed to move on to the next life.

>>740071603
>Prevent cheaper prices elsewhere
>When Steam usually has the cheapest prices outside of literal keyshops
Okay and

Hmmm, I wonder who funded this article...

>>740071603
Gabe really pissed off the grifters this year huh?

>>740087230
The point is whether you can sell for cheaper on other platforms to take advantage of their lower commission fees.
If you sell your game for cheaper on other platforms, Steam reserves the right to remove your game from Steam.
That is impeding competition.

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>>740071603
I don't really care about this because it benefits me as a consumer. If Steam became shit then I would be against it.

>>740071603
If they do what is alleged, that is shitty behavior and I'd love for them to be made to stop doing it.
Prove it, Tim Sweaty.

>>740087379
>No need
I want to.

>>740088183
Okay, so it prevents Tim Seeeney from offering lower prices on Epic store by virtue of lower commission.

>>740081762
Because Steam takes 1/3d of the sale?

For any price you set on Steam, you can always make it 30% cheaper on your own site, and make the same profit.

>>740076719
How about trying to get some education instead. Maybe it'd help you type sentences in a coherent manner.

>>740088931
>Because Steam takes 1/3d of the sale?
Why?

The circular logic of
>valve takes too much of a cut while offering nothing of value
>okay then don't sell on steam?
>I can't that's where all the gamers are
will never stop being amusing to me.

>>740088931
Of course indie devs should be selling DRM free games on GOG and Itch. But that's not what most of them do.

>>740089123
>Why?
It's 30% standard, negotiable for bigger businesses. 30% is also what Apple, Google etc. take.

Let's face it, this clause is the one reason we get Steam sales.

>>740089236
For me it's more amusing how the largest software company in the world can't make a working store front and gaming client.

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>>740075545
you're a retard. just lower the price on steam instead of raising it everywhere else.
>but muh 30%
then don't sell on steam, simple as.
>b-but
you're not entitled to customers.

Out of curiosity, is this that stupid Overgrowth nigger STILL seething that Valve wouldn't foot the bill for all the hosting for his game and using the steam key system to sell people copies of it on "his" website that was a wordpress site?
I don't feel like sifting through the pile of paid antishilling to get a straight answer.

>>740073086
this literally happened once 7 years ago and youre still reeling about it

>>740089784
The work of one who consorts with beasts?

>>740090278
Indeed.

>>740071603
>steam: demand fair market place pricing to use their store
>indi devs: noooooooo that's not fair i'm suing you
We live in a fucking clown world.

Oh and a reminder for all the
>Cheaper Prices Elsewhere
That gets thrown around.
Basically every fuckhuge publisher is mad as fuck that they couldn't get away with raising the floor for "major titles" to $70/$80/$90 without losing a fuckton of sales on steam.

I don't see the issue
They can't undercut by selling the same thing cheaper if they want to sell it for less the can just not sell on steam and do that with other stores

>>740088183
Preventing somebody from using your store to gouging the customer is not impeding competition.

>>740071745
so don't put your game on steam then.
keep your 30%.

>>740072321
>Gabe stands up for porn games against kikes.
Which types of porn games?

>>740089652
This is bad for me how?

>>740071745
Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all take the same cut. Google and Apple store take the same cut. Box stores like Walmart, Target, Gamestop, etc all take the same cut even if all you're purchasing is a download code. 30% is standard retail mark up. Stop being disingenuous, faggot.

>>740091078
Remember when EA and Ubisoft got mad and did exactly this, and came back like 2 years later when they lost most of their PC sales?

Here's what happens if these cunts win:
>Game goes on Steam for $60
>Game is on their own platform for $55
>Game goes on sale on steam down to $55
>Game on their own platform goes down to $30, using Steam to advertise their game.
>Game on Steam never goes below $55, because they do not intend to make sales on Steam, but just alert you to when they are doing a BIGGER sale on their own platform

Companies don't fight to give you a better deal. They fight to control your purchase.

I'm still not installing Epic Launcher, no matter how many free games you try to shovel down my throat. ;)

>>740091294
here's what happens
>most people pay the $5 for QoL

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>>740075962
you're a fucking retard. steamworks is ridiculously valuable:
>workshop
>inventory
>community
>cloud saves
>matchmaking (with ddos protection)
>voice chat
>drm
>wishlists
>steam input
>remote play
>VAC
>achievements
>leaderboards
>trading cards
>steam sales
all for FREE after the 30% cut. not to mention just having access to steam's customers which even on its own is probably valuable enough to justify the cost. that's a lot more than timmy tencent is offering, whose store didn't even launch with a fucking shopping cart, and any money you would save with epic's lower cut you would immediately lose again in lost sales and setting up half of this shit yourself.

keep in mind selling your game at walmart costs 30% too. are you going to tell me steam looks like a bad deal by comparison?

>>740071745
What's the EGS cut?

>>740091819
GOOD MORNING SAAR

>>740091786
Then they make the same thing but $10.
You don't get it.
You're a dumb retard.

>>740091786
>>740092181
The point is, the base price on Steam will NEVER drop if they can just use Steam to advertise.

>>740092114
jeets can't afford PC gaming retard.

>>740092114
India
Total Bytes: 15.6 PB
Average Download Rate: 54.5 Mbps
Percentage of global Steam Traffic: 0.9%

strange how those epic game exclusives never sold cheaper than they would have if released on steam at the same time huh? blows my mind there still gripping onto alan wake 2

>>740092504
This, they would use Steam to advertise their game, never put it on sale on steam, and it would just hurt Steams reputation by being known as the more expensive option in every case.
Because lets say a game is on steam for $10, Steam gets $3.
If the publisher wants that money back they just need to make it cost less, but not more than they would have gotten on Steam. So they might put it up for $7.01+ up to $9.99.
Some developers are even fighting for the ability to sell STEAM keys on their own site or platform undercutting Valve, making Valve eat their own lunch and pay for the server space to host their game sales.
I don't see why a publisher should be allowed to be on Steam and sell that same game for less on their own platform, all Valve asks is that they don't sell it for less than they listed it on Steam to be listed on Steam.
Access to Steam's marketplace is not a right considering that there is no monopoly on the internet that prevents you from selling your game on your own platform, many people make patrions for this same reason.
By putting your game on Steam you are asking for Steams reputation as a trusted platform to gain access to a user base and the trust of that user base in Valve to not distribute malware to it's customers.

>>740093531
Finally someone gets it. It'd likely ruin Steam.

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>>740071603
oh sweet, another Sweeney thread

>>740094196
/fuckepic/ can't meme

>>740094196
>words words words

>>740091294
Because their "attempt" to do their own thing was dogshit.
Blizzard could have done it with battle.net when their games were considered premium goods which was up until 2018, but in true Blizzard's fashion they pissed everything that's not short term benefits away.

>>740094196
kek

>>740094196
It's the other way around tho? Any thread about valve or ANY kind of criticism about Valve is met by "OMG WHATABOUTISM EPIC!?"

>>740072687
>Valve
Did they ever make a good game?
All they even made was shit game or baby games.

>>740073972
>ze rothschild REEEEE
Take you meds, loony.

>the example they use is Siege
>not only do you pay for an inferior version that ups the grind like crazy, Ubisoft encourages you to use their fun tokens because it's cheaper than Steam microtransactions
>this was after signing an agreement of ensuring customers will not get fucked because the original game had parity with the original version
Steam went to court because ubi deliberately fucked with paying customers behind every other store's back.

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Anytime people try to post screenshots 'proving' steam is EVIL!!!1!! it's just an exchange showing steam doesn't want it's userbase scammed, or prices raised for no reason. Surely you guys have a real reason to hate steam right? right? At least say something about free games being used to spread malware, that's a free point you guys can have.

>>740091206
More dev will start to say "fuck it", and stop selling on steam.

>>740096697
Sure bro

>>740096697
They better not cry when they flop then

I never understood this.

For years I have bought games on other stores for cheaper than Steam.

>>740096529
lmao >>740078520

>>740098731
>play a garbage game
>get a garbage reward from overzealous jannies that aren't affiliated with valve

>>740071603
Why should they let you in their store advertising a game only to undercut them deliberately in another store? What exactly is "fair" about this?

I wonder, how do other storefronts address this, surely this can't be a problem exclusive to Steam.
How does Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo handle price parody and sales?

>>740098731
>steam is banning them!
>look inside
>its EA's AI
>and the ban is only from bf6 (which you already need a exclusive launcher for)
Uhhhh...?

>>740080418
the reason he pushes DRM in Steam still is to maintain an advantage and block for GOG to continue to exist. He wants them to get competitive enough to be able to hit the entire industry with the NoDRM/offline-installer bat and force everyone to abandon it altogether.

to do that he first has to kill Microsoft's dominance over PC gaming altogether

Few understand

>>740076020
You got it pretty much right AFAIK. I think 3rd party stores have to deal with the dev though, and the dev has to specifically request the amount of keys he's selling, but there's probably software in place to make this smooth and easy.

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i like how the 30% fee forces greedy retards to out themselves
>fee for putting a game on steam: $100USD + 30% fee
>the initial buy in is so that one person cant spam hundreds of games a day, the 30% fee is effectively your payment for steam and all of its features.
>steam has enough visibility features to easily outpace the 30% fee. even among the sea of slop you can pretty efficiently narrow your search down to find a given game.
>steam's userbase on its own is large enough to outpace the 30%, you're going to have many times the amount of people that can even find your game in the first place
>just by using steam you're gaining access to countless features that you dont get on other stores (steamworks as a whole >>740091819) at no additional cost
and then the prospect of "but... i could be earning more!" is so strong for these retards that they ignore all of that and fuck themselves over.
they're the ones that would kill the golden goose over the prospect of finding more shiny eggs inside.
best part is that they're still allowed to sell on other platforms (given that they price the games the same), so they could just do that and see for themselves that steam is their biggest profit contributor even through the fee.

>>740109953
Timmy really knows how to sweet talk publishers that way. It's been amusing watching him woo devs over to EGS, only to see them go crawling back to steam defeated and humbled after getting no real sales there.
Underestimating the power of volume is nothing new though. Tons of small retailers go out of business because of it.