OUR GENERAR IS IN GRAVE DANGER MY LORD!
>>740086457The last truly good total war
>>740086457i once quoted this game and got banned for racism kek
>>740088538which line?
>>740088615>shamefurr disprayi guess they didn't like the accent
>>740088812Holy shit, what kind of shithole you were at that they ban you for a joke like that. Is like the most know meme of the game.
>>740088993Facepunch forums, now goes by the name Knockout. It went from a Garry's Mod discussion platform to unironically an echo chamber for transsexuals.
My rord... MY RORD!
shogun 2 has no fucking campaign mechanics. what is the appeal? >inb4 the battlesthe seiges are so shit tho?
>>740089657having an open battle is hard, at least 80% of battles are sieges and there's only a few fortifications/castles
>>740086457I still don't get how a game with less than 50 unit types is more tactically and strategically interesting than whatever they made later
>My lord,a glorious victory will soon be yours!All the voice lines in this game are amazing, only Med 2 comes close>>740089561When I played the game it was on my language, so all voice lines were always japanese. Later on I switched to english and foud out that fots had english with japanese accent.Incredible based from old CA
THE MEN ARE TIRED MY LOWD, AND SOME MUST REST
>>740089889Its probably one the most simple TW that exist, but that same simplicity allows it to use its games mechanics to its fullest. When Rome 2 changed how HP works is when everything went to shit, and the only things that matters is having the highest stats.Warhammer dumbed down everything even more with the RPG mechanics. I do think is an actual good game, but not a good TW per se.
>>740089936Yeah for sure. That was super based of them
>>740090492If only campaign was more centered around the end of sengoku - I don't get Nobunaga to inherit even in long campaign because I run out of enemies to fightAlso it's kinda funny how CA makes shogun 2 worse year by year (they deleted multiplayer) despite it having bugs still (like tokugawa ningers being worse than basic ones)
Japanese dont speak like that
NO WAN ENTAHSNO WAN LEAVES
The time has come for a new warlord to become… Shogun!But who will be victorious?
>>740091305Play modded campaigns, it really does spices everything. Also expanded Japan adds a ton of regions and factions, so the game can take a bit longer, maybe longer seasons, so you actually have to be mindful of winter
>>740086457I heard that the japanese voice lines are full of poor translations, anyone know more?
>>740092302Ask>>740089936
>>740092302There were apparently tons of ministrations during development, so lot of stuff doesn't make sense.
>>740092707mistranslation*
Realm Divide!
>>740091875>if our daymio is to become a shog...Definitely not hattori. I've been trying to win legendary with those guys for weeks but early game is brutal af. Increased troop upkeep really hurts and somehow Oda always declares war on me even if I'm fighting ikko for them
did anyone here get a big ol family by the end of the game? all my fucking kids ended up dying...
>>740092302Yeah, they're pretty shit.They shout stuff like "At double the speed!" which obviously comes from a direct translation of the British "On the double!"They also shout RETREAT! when you tell them to march forward and the units address themselves with absurd names. Like the matchlocks shout out "We are the match lock wielding samurai!" to give an example.Apart from the retreats and stuff, it is fairly passable. They are a JP-owned company so it's not like they did it through Google Translate. But they did redub the whole thing for the Japanese release (limited as it were) and used accented English for FotS units, though. So they were aware it probably didn't leave the best impression on their bosses from SEGA.
>>740093021I really hate this mechanic, it's actually well thought out in fall of the samurai though.Rise of the samurai is pure CBT, even your own family alliance will fall apart due to it.I wish someone would fix the immersion mod already, the mod has been broken for years
AWA MEN A WUANNING FOM THE BATTOFILL, SHAMEFU DISPRAY!!
>>740093610as a general rule in feudal times you only needed one child to carry your legacy, the others were just useful pawns you would send to do your dirty work and wished they were to be killed during the battles so you can consolidate power into your choice of a heir.
>>740094472Its "Oua meng are a running from ze batterufierdo, shamefuru dispurai!" zoomer.
>>740091875Date is the most kino clan. Banzai my niggas.
>>740086457My Lord, another victory will soon be yours!
>>740091308They'll politely ask their POWs that do they speak Japanese
>>740089889having a million options doesn't make a game better, i don't want to shit on people who like the warhammer total wars but there's hundreds of units and dozens of factions + all the spells and heroes and shit which leads to you having to constantly figure out what something is and what it does
>>740095569its semi-polite as in "Do you speak Japanese?" -> "Nihongo hanashimasu ka" 日本語はなしますか。"Japanese, speak it, do you?" not the most polite way to phrase but then again they are in above-position and are using military language which is more stark and direct the only one that demands casually "rudely" from those below.
>>740089889What the fuck are you talking about, chess is possibly the best game ever madeTurns out people competing with the same stuff makes for a more exiting match
Warhammer's UI spoiled me, I can't bring myself to play this one
>>740095807It's pretty polite in Japanese standards since the POW doesn't get executed on the spot.
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IF OUR DAIMYO IS TO BECOME SHOGUNMILITARY RULER OF ALL JAPAN
>>740096131Japanese aren't savages, they prefer keeping people around that are useful even in feudal times. (Other than Samurai who were sworn zealots who took an oath to the grave like a gangster for their code.)
>>740095904wtf is wrong with shogun 2's ui? You're just scared of actually having to use some basic tactics instead of soloing armies with le ebin hero
>Ah Rome, the eternal city.
>>740096426>play multiplayer like 15 years ago>use tactics>get raped anyway by persons ridiculously upgraded hero unitsi had a lot of fun with the multiplayer but goddamn sometimes it was bullshit
>>740096676FOTS was peak MP>drawing gunlines on the fly>those yari levy charges out of nowhere>pistol cavving niggers
>>740096646Explain to someone who dropped out after Rome 2, why do people wank Attila so much
>>740096676I played only one mp match back in 2019. Since i had nothing unlocked i could only recruit spear levies and levy infantry vs an opponent who had a lot of shit unlocked (no idea what rank is what. I just know he had like bear inf and the like). I just spammed like 19 spear levies and bumrushed him and won instantly kek
1v1grassy plainsyari ashigaru only
>>740091875>Shimazu lands have always provided for our people. Our enemies are many and envious, they threaten our borders and look for any weakness.>We trace a line back to the last shogun Yoritomo. Loyalty runs deep in the Shimazu. It is in our blood, our traditions and in battle our swordmen are the envy of Japan. >No blade is swifter or more feared then ours. Bishamonten the war god has woken. Now is the time to defeat our enemies. >All will bow to the Shimazu clan. We wait no loger destiny calls!
>>740096797>Zerg rush works.Damn, sometimes you just need a peasant revolution to get shit done.
So what did you guys think of the FX tv show shogun from last year?
>>740096797i remember people would deliberately play on small units size and then use a completely broken maxed out gun general unit to rape mei only wanted big battle with lots of units
>>740097483I mean it's shogun 2. It makes sense. Even the shittiest melee inf can fuck up a strong ranged inf. This wouldn't have worked in other tw's. It's not like spear levies are a slouch
tu battel it iz then mon seigneur
>>740097570Fucking lmao dude. How lame. Big unit battles is what total war is for!
>>740096769cope mostly
>>740096426Read again I mean the UI not the MECHANICS. like the actual screen layout
>>740096769i like Attila, and i think i like it more than Rome 2, but i'm not really sure why it gets so much praisei guess it's the survival mode campaign, especially when playing WRE, the atmosphere and little "narrative" cutscenes you get as you progress through the campaign, and some changes and improvements over Rome 2but every game after Rome 2 is still Rome 2
>>740096769It fucking sucks if you're not playing as the romans. Everyone else is a massive cakewalk. Also you're going to be fighting the huns by spamming max upgraded spearmen because the tech trees upgrades the spearman line and just throw them at the huns until you win through sheer attrition. No one fights 10+ hun armies using armies consisting of several different unit types since no one can micro that hard
Who for a first time campaign
>>740098163Date Chads
>>740098163Anyone to the East (South) of the map who can quickly and easily take over the absolutely broken as fuck trading ports.
>>740095904what's wrong with it's UI? they're not that different
>>740098635Sorry, I'm stupid. I meant West (South).
>>740098163Otomo
>>740098163fuck everyone else play as a tokugawa like a man
>>740098635But then you have to build massive fleets and play asinine naval battles constantly. Is it a must to go for trade nodes? Also wako pirates
>>740098635>be me years ago>play in south, get trade ports>realm divide hits>>infinite waves of allied enemies human waving me with shitty boats because marching overland to me is a long way for people from north>>have to manual them or attrit too much to autoresolve>>lose interest in campaign because I keep having to do naval b*ttles
>>740099109You do need to maintain a fleet but if you park that fleet close enough to the trade ships on the port, they won't attack because the auto-battler will tell them it won't work.Also if you get the black ship it can single handled win any naval battle if you fight it yourself.>>740099159Scuttle the fleets before realm divide.
>>740099109we all know who funds the (((wako))) pirates
>>740086457ご命令を待ち申し上げます
>>740096769It's basically Napoleon 2.0: Electric Bogaloo all over again.They took the mess that was Rome 2 (at the time) and made a reused asset game but actually better.
>>740099251That fleet is gonna cost a shitton. Esp if you get more of them to protect all your trade nodesIf you only use black ship then you're gonna burn out from the massive amounts of naval battles you have to play manually
>>740097538I was invested but dropped it, also apparently not-Tokugawa becomes shogun not by winning glorious Sekigahara but rather some weird political jewish tricks, so thats is pretty lame and gayIt does have best boy though
>>740099159I remember when one time I managed to catch the Black Ship, that fucker was sinking invasion fleets left and right every single turn, all by himself.
Thoughts on the Rome 2 update? Patch notes dropped today>>740096769>>740097786>>740098114>>740098148>>740099517
>>740099767At first it was just gonna be a one season mini series. But because of its success a second season got greenlit. Maybe that battle will happen then?
>>740100174i didn't even know there was going to be a new update and i haven't played Rome 2 in 7 years
>>740100174Is going to mess tons of mods.I do wonder why they are updating Rome 2. Is it because they finally learned from all the backlash, or is it because they want to win good boy points again so all pay piggies pre order Med 3 and 40k when the times comes?
>>740093610Kekd at the save game names
>HINAWA JEW, JUNE BEE KAN REE Othe last thing samuraitards hear as they try to spider monkey crawl up my walls
>>740099767Based Yabushige
>>740100174the guy leading it is a fag, so I don't have any hope of it being goodbetter to just unlock the game for modders
>>740100340>unplanned second seasonMy hopes aren't high
>>740101284Yeah my aren't either desu
>>740100340>Second SeasonThe guy is finally Shogun, there is no point to continue the story.It's a shame military kino is a dead genre.
>>740102048That's what i read just some days after the season finale. The common consensus that i read on reddit was that everyone was surprised a second season will be coming. Since as you said, the story was doneAlso what movie is that? At first i thought it was the last samurai
>>740101284>>740101501hope is retardedyari ashigaru winCA are faggots
>>740099451I hear it
So why did they go with the asian accent? They didn't just do it a little bit, they went all out.
>>740102294Heaven and Earth (1993)Is about the battle between Takeda Shingen and Uesugi Kenshinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc42G36JmE8
>>740102982They gave their white male british voice actors a bunch of sake, sushi and rice balls and told them to go hog wild.
>>740102982to match with the japanese barks.
>>740098163It's been a long time since I've played but>ShimazuStarts off at the western edge of the map away from most of the major factions besides Otomo. Has easy access to nice trade resources iirc and has the best katana samurai in the game which are your t2 anti infantry>ChosokabeAlso starts off in the west on an island with an obvious first target minor faction. Has the best foot archers in the game and they're cheaper to field than other factions.>OdaHas the best basic infantry in the game, and they're much cheaper than anybody elses and will easily carry you in the early game. A downside is that Oda starts in the east where all the big bruiser ai factions tend to be or shows up to, usually Takeda
>>740086457YARI ASHIGARU DE GOZAIMASU
>>740102982It was suppose to show how the soldiers were being trained by western military advisers, it just turned out to be really silly.I always crack when I hear the>GOOD MORNING SIRin with the accentBut it actually shows CA really cared about this franchise back then, just like the recruitment or assassin videos, those little things added so much soul to the games.
Oda Yari Ashigaru my beloved.
>>740102982They have always done thatDid you forget med2?
>>740102048>It's a shame military kino is a dead genre.Kingdom of heaven flopping sealed the genre. I'm to this day waiting for a revival in that genre. After KoH there were those shitty low budget historical films like ironclad and several others whos name i no longer remember. They all sucked
fall of the samurai, while not as good as the base game, really wasn't too bad.
>>740086457Is Shogun 2 the best game in the series?
>>740106892Did you mean rise? Fots is pretty beloved
>>740089889Small unit roster is easier to balance and make more interesting. Massive bloated unit rosters and deviation from the rock > paper > scissors formula makes everything all muddied.
>>740091308>japanesu don'tu sepukku liku thato
>>740107036i dont see it talked about often.rise was hard to get into it, since it just seemed like base shogun 2 with less content. i dont think i finished it.
>>740107016It's between Shogun and Med 2, but that depends on how much you can take of the jank and how much of a nostalgia fag you are.
>>740107589Oh believe me FOTS is very beloved in the tw community
>>740100174Has anyone here checked into this patch? What gets changed?
>>740100174Lmao pixelated apollo... i remember him trying to transition into a drama channel to grift by target legendoftotalwar out of nowhere even though they were friends. Legend countered him and he gave up immediately
>>740107589The setting was worse, the unit rosters were worse, which is a lot taking in consideration the base game.Is basically the same campaign as vanilla, but now christianity and Ikko-ikki religions are spread randomly through the map
>>740108753Apollo was a chud, but he was right. LegendofTotalWar was the left-leaning BLM supporter who wanted to keep trying hard to make things work out between TW fans and the rotten corporate culture that is CA, and he only ended up getting burned out. There's just no workable compromise in this world between such people.
>>740107868med 2 crashes so much on modern hardware >get the 4gb patch broooomotherfucker you don't think i tried that?
>>740100174>Spending there time fixing a broke shit game like R2 and not on patching up something good like 3KI hate CA so fucking much.
>>740110662Considering the types of games he covers constantly on his channel. That is historical games. Him being a chud is the least surprising thing to me. Not that i ever watched them. It's that his channels content tells me he caters to chuds lol. Also a lot of esl fans because their history is their pride or being from the 3rd world and unable to run games more demanding than medieval 2 total war lol
>>740110662Also legend is a right winger. He mentioned it just once towards the end because he didn't care about filtering himself
>>740093774Imo, Japan deserves it for how much they fuck up their Engrish whenever they try to have English dialogue in their animu and vidya. I'm not talking about localization I mean diegetic english in the original dialogue, much like the lines from Shogun 2
>>740111526I played moded Med 2 in a shitty laptop with integrated graphics, probably crashed 2 or 3 times tops, I guess is different for each machine>>740110662>Legend went full AWOL from the internetI still don't really believe he would fully stop his youtube channel just because he got *burned out* from dealing with CA bs.The guy had a consistent factory line where people would send him whatever bullshit battle and cheese it in the most painfully slow and boring way possible for an hour, and people still ate that shit religiously.
>>740099767>apparently not-Tokugawa becomes shogun not by winning glorious Sekigahara but rather some weird political jewish tricks, so thats is pretty lame and gaySo like Tokugawa?
>>740114481He was open about this kinda shit. All his content stopped getting new viewers combined with the audience had learned so much from his videos that no new vide he makes on disaster situations would get lesser and lesser views. He said he made like 200k-300k a years from his channel but he doesn't care any more since he's now a millionaire. Also he hated everyone consuming his content. It's easy too feel that he would be much happier by calling the people and donators in his audience faggotsAlso no matter what he does the subreddit will hate him automatically and wishing to start drama with legend
>>740091875>babby modeShimazu, Chosokabe, Date, Oda, Otomo>your anus will get gapedHattori, Tokugawa, Uesugi
>>740115329Jesus, the guy looked like a mess. All big ones are always fucked some way.I always liked small TW youtubers playthroughs, or the ones who straight make shitpost content.
The thing that gets me about Total War games is that the game doesn't try to engineer entertaining battles for you. If you play the campaign map effectively you only play battles you couldn't possibly lose or couldn't possibly win. When the actually fun battles are the ones where the AI has an army about as strong as yours and neither of you are just running armies of entirely just, for instance, yari ashigaru, where the battles would just consist of selecting everyone and right clicking once.The campaign map could have a kind of dungeon master-like AI that designed battle encounters for you rather than hoping you get good battles just by Brownian Motion.
>>740115951>, the guy looked like a messHe was super burned out for years from streaming and having to be PC. when twwh3 launched he went on rabid rants. Said shit about how he's gonna make CA regret for what they had done like some jihadi lolHe in general hates the tw community and always had. Esp the ones on reddit
>>740115951>All big ones are always fucked some way.You have to be to make it as a content creator on the internet. Th3 majority of people making it big i'm pretty sure developed narcissism personality disorder. No man can resist having hundreds of thousands of fan rimming you lok
>>740116116Total War has never been really a very deep strategy franchise, I personally always saw it as a spectacle more than actual game. Imagine the scene from the battle of Gaugamela from the Alexander movie, but you can personally interact with it.The only reason they became so successful is because nobody has been able to replicate their formula. All other grand strategy games, like Paradox go full map painter autism, and thus not actual battles, and the smaller ones are usually just indie jank. Lately there has been some games that look like are trying to take them same path as CA, but are still a long way from getting there.The day someone manages to make a carbon copy of Med 2 is when things will start to shine
>>740089657you have been tricked by warhammer slop into thinking "press button to powerup" is good for the game
A SHOULD OH MAY DO WOOOOOOO
>>740094472lol why did my wholesome princess do this?
>>740091305>I don't get Nobunaga to inherityou can just suicide the dad into an enemy army by himself for historical accuracy
>>740117387Whats the actual line
>>740117262>Lately there has been some games that look like are trying to take them same path as CA, but are still a long way from getting there.Can i get some examples?
>>740117262But mechanically it *could* be more tactics focused. You could have more bespoke battles where it's not just a blobfest. Some of the quest battles are like that. But even after decades Creative Assembly just doesn't seem to want to try to make a game like that and it's a shame.It's not that most Total War games are bad as they are or anything, but there's just definitely a higher potential which isn't being reached.
>>740093342i did actually complete a legendary campaign as hattori. just wanted to brag
>>740117824https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK5pcOgu684https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJTBCClSg7sThere is some, is mostly just battle though.There was also Manor Lords, but it turned to be more of a city manager more than anything>>740118005Like I said, they have zero competition, they have been working with the same engine for almost 2 decades. They never had a reason to improve actually important things. Warhammer made things worse when they realized they could make big bucks by putting any money in actual AI development into textures and VFX effects
>>740094368it's a good mechanic that prevents the last half of the campaign from being annoying busy work instead of a challenge. i can't imagine how much of a bitch you are to hate it. it's total war and not japanese diplomacy simulator
>>740119015>slogging through all the minors because they all decide to ally against the player just because -1 gorillion relations modifier? wow this is really not annoying busy workIt's sloppy and lazily designedMinors that like you and/or don't particularly like any other major contenders should be getting the fuck out of your way
Bump
>>740087126*blocks your path*
>>740120017totalfuckingwareveryone is your enemy and you push a single frontline and hold chokepoints instead of relying on the AI being nice to youthe real reason you hate it is because it leads to setbacks and *gasp* losing territory! but once you get over the initial shock and come up with a new strategy the victory will be all the sweeter
>>740087126fpbp
>>740089657You never defended a castle against 5x your number with archers or matchlocks? Shame.
>>740089889Because morale, armor/weapon province bonuses, faction bonuses and commander skills all actually matter. They're all relatively small, linear values and matter. Other TWs inflate the numbers so much they stop mattering.
Played shogun 2 a couple times but never actually beat the game, how do I git gud?
>>740091875Hojo forever. Good luck I'm behind tier 3 castles filled with matchlocks!
>>740091875All bonuses are weak, go with Tokugawa.
>>740121130>>it's good because it prevents busywork>uhh actually busy work is good and fun! dats what dodal war means xddd
>>740086457Shimazu heavy gunners are fucking insane. I love them just as much as Shimazu katana samurai. if the over calibered matchlocks don't kill the enemy, the mass produced musashis will.
>>740115373idk, Otomo are strong mid-game and late but have a rough start.
>>740121719you go christian for cannons or sieges are so miserable its better to autoresolve all of themwith cannons you get to kill most of the defenders at max game speed then actually play the game
>>740122008the difference between busy work and a challenge is the possibility of defeat. you can't lose if you only fight enemies who are weaker while the rest sits back and watches. again total war is literally the name of the game. why would you want LESS war?
>>740115373>babby mode>no ikko ikkithey are the babbiest of babby mode holy moly is that religious rebellion mechanic so incredibly OP I think I took over a quarter of the map before I actually had to siege a settlement myself>>740122070if you are unfortunate enough to get dog-piled immediately, sureotherwise the close proximity to the majority of the trade nodes plus early matchlocks, tercos, and cannons make things very easy
>>740123253Well that's just the thing, their units are very good but very costly. In my experience Shimazu often show up by turn 15 or so with a full stack of katanas which will wipe my stack of half ashigaru and half matchlocks/conquistadors. And early game claiming trade routes seems like a fool's errand, you need quite a few ships to clear wako pirates and hold the nodes.
>>740123253Ikko Ikki is not babby mode, even with Loanswords you are still surrounded on 3 sides and one wrong move will fuck your campaign especially in VH and Legendary.
The last game made by the OG team. Coincidentally, the last good game in TW series.
>>740123823Sending one trade ship to each node is much better than letting the enemy AI take it.Wako pirates only appear near coasts and those trade nodes will pay for itself over time allowing you to field a single decent navy to deal with them.
MY RORD... A GRORIUS VICTORY WILL SOON BE YOAS
>>740102048>Ten to Chi toAbsolutely fucking based. Love that movie. The first half is a bit slow but the rest of it is beautiful.>It's a shame military kino is a dead genre.The soundtrack and actions during the battle really give off the vibe of your post, like "those were the glorious days long gone", made even more romantic since the historic battle was inconclusive too. Bawled my eyes out like a bitch at the duel at the end.
How do I use battlefield ninja correctly? they always get fucked up lol
>>740127413by using them as ambush units amd not keeping them in prolonged combat
>>740091875I liked to play Shimazu since they were the only clan that was technically in all three versions of Shogun 2
>>740127413You don'tThey're fucking useless units
>>740091308>WW2 vet getting murdered by brownoid and thugsHonestly, Japanese executor doing aussie prisoner a favor
>>740098163Chosokabe are bow dudes and are okShimazu can just use stacks of katana samurai on easier difficultiesODA BEST CLAN WITH THE BEST UNITYARI ASHIGARU FTW
>>740098163>ShimazuYou're camped way to the south, you have 2 provinces by default including a blacksmith to boost your katana samurai and your generals have default +1 to honour to prevent them from defectingBeing in Kyushu you have access to like 5-6 trade nodes which you can rush to capture before any other clan does, you just have to defend these nodes from Wako pirate attacks (they ignore enemy AI ships)>OtomoChristian-only gun faction, also starts in Kyushu Matchlocks have more killing power than bows in the early game and are god-tier in sieges but have garbage rangeYour job here is to tech to Portuguese Tercos who is the best unit in the game (basically a superior matchlock and katana samurai rolled in one) and to incite Christian rebellions with your Jesuit priest>DateYou're camped way to the north, have easy access to one trade node and a blacksmith province by default; the main con is that the northern provinces are too large and you will waste no less than 3 turns to beat up your immediate enemyNodachi samurai are mid>TakedaToken cavalry faction, cavalry is OP in Shogun 2 vanilla but isn't for everyoneIf you hate microing and cavalry units this faction isn't for you>OdaMost OP faction in the game since they buff all ashigaru units and make them comically cheaperYari wall by default will mog katana samurai, Oda long yari ashigaru will mog 2 units of katana samurai with yari wallOda AI will also abuse ashigaru spam and colour the entire center-north of the map and will fuck you up if you play Hojo, Tokugawa, Takeda, Uesugi, Ikko Ikki, Hattori>ChosokabeYou're in Shikoku and your clan's specialty are bowsBow ashigaru are trash and don't have much killing power and bow samurai are minor upgrades, however once you tech to Bow Warrior Monks this clan shines and you'll melt entire armies with archerspamCombine it with yari wall, Naginata samurai and you'll fuck up entire stacks with a single army
>>740130227nta but thanks for the writeupAnything for the other factions like Ikko-Ikki or Uesugi?
>>740087126Fpbp
>>740130227>however once you tech to Bow Warrior MonksBy that point campaign ends and unlocking them requires a specific monastery upgrade if I recall correctly, also they die from being sneezed at and chosokabe have an even longer range archer unit making soheis with bows redundant and uselessAlso their upkeep isn't very buddhist - what the fuck do they do with the money?
>>740120145This unironically Chariots go brrr
>>740127413They are advanced units that require esoteric use.
>>740100340It's already confirmed that the second season takes place like 10 years later, so unless the season begins with the battle and then time skips, it's not happening
>>740098163Hattori
>>740130721The Daikyuu Bow Samurai are a cheaper alternative to Bow Warrior Monks but the monks are superiorThey're loads better compared to bow samuraiBows in S2 aren't like bows in Warhammer or 3Kangdomz where even a T1 bow unit will erase entire units
>CA is planning to update all of their historical games>This means they will break literally every single mod>A extremely small percent of them will get update, but 98% of them are fucked foreverI wish I could express in simple words how much I hate those niggers.
>>740130607>Ikko-IkkiYou're north of Kyoto, surrounded by 3 hostile provinces and you get more ashigaru units but they have shittier statsLoansword ashigaru mogs all ashigaru units in the early game and once max leveled could also take on unranked katana samuraiTheir gameplay is to incite rebellions with the Ikko faith but their campaign is tricky to hard because once Oda steamrolls they'll instantly declare war on you and their ashigaru are significantly better (your saving grace is that AI units don't use yari wall which means your loansword ashigaru will cut them down)>UesugiHard and meme factionWarrior monks are high tech, paper-thin unitsNaginata warrior monks are shit in holding the line and will get outclassed by samurai units and cavalryBow warrior monks are great but Chosokabe ones have better reload and accuracyLike the Date, your nearest enemy is like 2-3 turns away and your ass is wide open if you leave your castle since your other enemy will immediately raid and attack you if regardless if you go west or east
>>740132256>Uesugi>>hey ho jimbob, what unique unit should we add to the designnated warrior monk faction\>>hey I dunno what about naginata sohei with second breath? joke is that they are slow>>hey I like that>mfw I unlocked these niggas for the first time
>>740132395If you capture an armourer province and max it out you can train Naginata Warrior monks in it and they'll hold the line a bit better than Naginata samuraiMeanwhile maxing out a weaponsmith and traning Naginata samurai in that province will make that unit literally OP and will mog every other unit in the game and is still cheaper and easier to tech than any monk unit
>>740132115Doesn't affect me.
>>740099767fucking everything is "le jews" to you fags holy shit
>>740132883because it is
This is one of my favourite games of all time, but fuck me those endless, boring naval battles are an absolute slog to get through>mfw first time playing with the mod that disables AI from building navies
>>740133371>play otomo for the first time>can solo all the naval battles with portuguese gastarbeiters on their boat>can doomstack armies of portuguese gastarbeiters not on their boatsWish there was a pike unit for Joaos because they are more fun than they were supposed to be and I can larp pike and shot tw that never was and never will be because CA are greedy talentless cunts now
>>740095807>>740096401>>740091308
>>740097309>ShimazuYeah, I play on easy-mode sometimes too.
>>740133661there's a mod for that
>Google Ching chang chong total war.>Knows exactly what im searching for.
>>740090492>simplest TWThat would be Shogun 1. Its also one of the best(before expansion)>>740089889Shogun 1 have like dozen units and its better.
What’s your dream total war anons>Elder Scrolls Total War >Empire 2 but with an Africa map and ending in the Victorian era >Shogun 3 with a Korea and partial China map
>>740136175>What’s your dream total warCA goes bankrupt and all their employees and paid shills go to work in the coal mines
>>740136006Shogun 1 has the most underrated soundtrack of all of the TWshttps://youtu.be/4IU7ia0XIGg?si=zTtvnUnfddog07RAhttps://youtu.be/sl7UihQrWrk?si=EX2Sbj3Qt1uRG-Gahttps://youtu.be/Rvbd8f4S5gE?si=OO3jRm4aYO5LaNvGhttps://youtu.be/jrUoDJEY9KA?si=cjoM7qUedmRiZIXu
>>740107016One of the best from nuTW for sure.
Fucking bandit queen
>>740089175getting banned was for the best
>>740089889shoguan and medieval 1 have a simpler and better campaign map because of it
>>740091875>>740115373My proudest vidya accomplishment is beating Uesugi on Legendary. Tokugawa wasn't all that bad, so long some other clan takes out your overlords. Not going to pay for Hattori.
>>740137019Total bandit death
>>740086457I love playing as the Otomo and cockblocking naval chokepoints with the Nanban Trade ShipAlso using gunpowder units en masse is just extremely satisfying even in base Shogun 2, and the otomo matchlock ashigaru are less shit than the Imported ones by a decent margin I think.
>>740091875For all the time I've put into the game I've never actually finished a campaign and it makes me sad to say that, granted I always play on legendary but that's not much of an excuse.
>>740136402The Mongol stuff is great
>>740137019I've been attempting her records mode campaign on legendary recently. First issue, the starting commander is a fucking death trap. You're surrounded on all sides out of the gate by factions that will instantly declare wars on you at the drop of a hat, besides Zhang Yan if you do the befriending event with him, your income at the start is immensely dogshit because she relies on tributaries for money, I found that the best strategy is to just go far west to Shuofang even though you have to deal with the horrible game mechanic of never ending stacks of steppe looters, they're actually pretty decent money and XP farming for commandery administrators.
>>740091305>Also it's kinda funny how CA makes shogun 2 worse year by year Last time they updated it they completely broke the mod manager and shit load of mods, none of the custom maps work now. Fuck CA
>>740138874(You) MUST spend 550$ on Warhammer where there are no reload animations and battles feel like smashhing plastic dolls against each other (You) MUST (You) MUST (You) MUST (You) MUST
>OUR MEN ARE RUNNING FROM THE BATTLEFIELD
>>740135543Why stop hereThere's skirmishers too and tercios on horseback with pistolsWould be hilarious to have an all Joao army in Japan
>>740135543Wasn't there also a mod that does the whole Japanese invasion of Korea after the Sengoku Jidai?
>Do you want to finish the battle early and let 1,000 men flee, regroup and try to kill you again later?
>>740100174some of the supposed ideas were interesting, but its really case of nothing meaningful, and its ignores other issues the game has such as how limited provinces are and the fact you still can't divide up your armies like you could in the past
>>740098163Obviously Otomo the Catholic gigachads historically accurate choice>>740100174He is beyond retarded. Trying to defend a broken meta. The latch notes are 95% positive. It unironically fixes Rome II. This person is just a coping doomer who doesn't want to admit sword spam is a bad thing.
>>740107868Medieval II sucks so much dick. Overrated as shit. Aged like milk. Anyone who disagrees is blinded by rose tinted goggles. Best 2 are Shogun 2 and it's expansions and Rome II pre-emperor edition with all its expansions. New Pantheon update for Rome II will fix the entire game. I'm involved in the changes keeping the autistic retards in check.>>740109096Rise of the Samurai suffers in that the low morale ruins the battles, no yari wall means the early game is so shit to play, archers suck and Samurai who are also archers are a smaller unit size so they're still not that good, everything is expensive, castles are necessary and they're expensive. It had potential and even though it's fairly historically accurate it's just so shit to play and this is coming from someone who likes Rise of the Samurai more than anyone else and I can't disagree that it's dogshit gameplay wise. Once you get Samurai it's much better but until then its so hard it's not even funny.>>740112461Fuck 3K and fuck you faggot. Rome II is forever the goat and this new update is a godsend.>>740107016It's between Shogun 2 and Rome II. I lean towards Rome II because of the variety and the gameplay but both are great. Medieval 2 is so fucking overrated it's not even funny. Medieval 2 is like a C-tier. Aged like milk.
>>740132115Just pirate the old games.
>>740087126Yeah this. The newer ones overcomplicate shit and the campaign map is so cluttered and unreadable. I just wish they would fix Shogun 2's crash-to-desktops.
>>740138874>>740091305Yeah cuz some woke UK law forces all video game chats to have to be moderated by the UK govt database, so CA pussed out and just removed MP entirely.
Total War has a good premise but in late game I don't want to be attritted constantly by small and easily winnable battles that I could win with no casualties but at the same time I don't want to fight every single fucking battle that I know I'm going to win easily.That's when I just stop playing because the game turns into a chore and a job.
>>740086457OUR MEN ARE RUNNING FROM THE BATTREFIERRD... SHAMEFUR DISPRAY!!!
>>740088812>getting banned for being a man of cultureThey sound like a bunch of sackless plebs
>>740091875My last one was on Mori and honestly it was probably the easiest Legendary run I've ever done other than maybe Shimazu. Trade routes are super buff and while most 'improved' units are +1 stat, it feels like Mori ships are like 25% better than anyone elses. Wako Pirates are also pretty fucking beastly too, katana samurai for ashigaru prices
Senpai... How to prep for realm divided? Keep getting btfo when reaching this scenario
>>740089889simple tools enable complex strategypeople shit on spearmanii but the reason they work as a concept is because they let you give each faction a generic spear unit while still appearing visually and thematicaly distinct, in SHOGUN 2 CA had the option of cutting out the middle man and just giving every faction the same spear unit and the results are excellent
Rome 2 was my first TW.
>>740144665I now have a theory that threre's a competition of "who invents a dumber law" for G20 considering how similarly inane and unenforcable laws adopted in the last 10 or so years are worldwide
>>740096769kino factorI terms of pure mechanics I actually prefer Rome 2 but there is just something about Attila and the idea of saving Rome that grabs at the imaginationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTTXx8SWdrQ
>>740145375It happens after owning a set number of provinces, so just hover 1-2 areas under and build up your shit>secure sea trade routes>put upgraded stacks on all of your borders>train your generals but don't take land (rape everyone and leave) so that idling doesn't fuck youOcean supremacy is seriously underrated, aside from making up a huge part of your economy through foreign trade, beating down everyone's ships and blockading your mid-range enemies stops them from ferrying stacks into your money-making provincesIdeally you'll have so many armies when you want to start the Realm Divide that you're LOSING money per turn, though this is also dependant on how strong your navy is because if you lose your trade, your deficit will sink faster than your ability to take profitable land. In any case, after this point you don't really need to worry about province growth, only army output
>>740145375Don't vassal anybody until after it, work from a safe area, usually north or south japan so they have fewer opportunities to bypass your frontline.
>>740089889That's because it isn'tJust Yari spear spam from turn 1 to turn 100Uncs need to get a grip
the one thing I really can't stand about shogun 2 is the random bonuses you get on level up. I want to power up my guys like a jrpg so it sucks when you get shitty ones like "ugly wife" or "useless music instrument" instead of one of the god tier ones like +loyalty or +movement. I end up wasting tons of time cheesing them by reloading my save, but it kills my desire to replay the campaign.
>>740121130it's stupid because as soon as it hits you are at war with like 20 factions and each faction has 3 of each agent that will now be directed at you and no one else so every time you hit end turn you have to sit through like 40 agent actions + boat spam.
>It is now EU hoursWAKE UP, YOU SLOVENLY SAMURAI.
>>740086457It sucks balls that their old games ui doesn’t scale with larger resolutions :(. Can’t play any of them with any enjoyment on my 4 k monitor.
>>74014549418+ also my condolences
>>740148001>18+ Or it could be that it was the first one that caught my attention.Also this is the problem with all TW games I played, but even on the largest unit size two 20 stack armies will obliterate each other in a about 5-10 minutes of fighting. Way too short for me as I expected those kinds of big battles to be slogs unless you are fighting militia or something.
>>740121719Literally just spam Yari Ashigaru with some cav and archers. Upgrade the fuck out of them. Start with Shimazu or Date and abuse the shit out of their Blacksmith bonuses. Build a fat stack of boats and park them on a few trade resources. Put a Metsuke in basically every city you own cuz thats where most of your money comes from. Then get 3-4 Ninjas and endlessly assassinate fucking everyone. Game becomes trivial when you have a few 5-star generals and everyone else has 1star noobs.
>>740127413The unique ninja units are bugged and have worse stats than the regular ones. The regular ones are niche and apart from setting up an ambush you're probably better off with basically anything else.
>>740145543Half of it is literal you-know-whos wanting more control. The other half is corrupt politicians who know its easier, cheaper and better for money laundering to waste time passing meme laws instead of actually fixing society's problems. Like in the news today that NY just spent $350k each on 2 new water fountains somewhere in the city. The fountains are like $2k each (labor included), the rest is just being pocketed into someone's bank account.
>>740086457>generar>lordYou had one job.
>>740148710Campaigns take long enough with the current battle speed and frankly cav are OP enough without also being impossible to effectively punish in the short windows of time you catch them outAlso obliterating a unit from full to nothing in 5 seconds from a perfect cav charge or gunline volley is basically the height of dopamine you get out of these games, so
>>740143687NTA but seriously. Nigga, Rome 2 is where current systems that suc dick come from. 3K even in unpatched and unmodded state is better than R2 even when R2 is about glory of Rome and 3k is about ching chong being ching chongs. Med 2 is overratted by nostalgia and mod abusers but even in raw state it is decent game.
>>740088812Bruh,they over reacted. In marvel rivals when you ping someone to ban it appears as BAN BLACK PANTHER in chat I sometimes write BAN BLACK PEOPLE instead of pinging BP. Once we banned BP, Blade and Venom. I was howling before the match even started. Never got banned
How is this thread still up? I went to sleep thinking it's gonna die in some minutes
>>740142356you got that right
>Oda>Short campaign Yep, it's gaming time.
>>740151710MY RORD, A GRORIOUS VIK-TORY WILL SOON BE YOURS
>>740086457Shogun 2 but in the HRE. What time period do you pick and who would be playable factions?
>pick Date>game almost won>my best general switch sides
>>740152265NO WAN ENTERSNO WAN LEAAAVES!
>>740148001What year do you think it is?
>>740107496No no no, it's>japaniizu don'tsu supiiku raiku zatto
>>740147931>ui doesn’t scale with larger resolutions>Can’t play any of them with any enjoyment on my 4 k monitor.Today's your lucky day. Font Is still blurry, likely due some kinds of UI filtering combined with low pixel count, yet it is readable and authentically shitty now at least. it's crazy how two best and aesthetically pleasing Total War's UI (the other one is in 'Rome: Total War' were brutally forgotten and even raped (yeah, fuck you, Feral Interactive) To by The Creative Assembly.
>>740152609Damn, I lost the actual link.https://github.com/Rebrond/Forgotten-Total-Wars-
>>740121449fucking...no? im not a noob at these total war games.>defending>ever>ever>everyeah let me just sit there for 8 turns and just hit "end turn end turn end turn" over and over again. fucking dumbass. total war games are all about pure aggression. I've never fought a single defensive battle in any total war game where i knew what i was doing. retard.
>>740089889Because the game's units counter each other. Plus, using strategy will ensure no single unit type is OP. For example: sword > spear > cavalry. But spear units have strong defensive formation skills that can easily make them 1v1 sword units. Cavalry will always lose against spear head-on, but your cavalry can destroy a spear unit by simply flanking.Even the humble ashigaru units have their use in the late game. High unit count, plus spear ashigaru have access to yari wall, making them useful for any army. Playing with a small unit roster will make sure you can always know what to do, no matter if you're fighting against samurai, ronin, or monks.
So from what I understand the lords aren't good for combat, your main lord doesn't have an army also. Do I send him to XP or just to camp
>>740152306obviously the 30 years warpretty much fall of the samurai but catholics and protestants rather than shogun vs imperial
>>740152609>blu guys = weak units>red guys = elite unitsI miss when UI were designed by smart people for smart people.
>>740135873I also had to try it
>>740152819>he skipped defensive siegesOh, so you've never played realm divide. Glad to know.
>>740152819>He never defended against 8000 men death stack with 500 gunners.Shamefur dispray
>>740152990Your generals are mostly there for morale. I usually rush Stand and Fight and let them buff the army. If you really want to fight with your general, you could try the Extended Generals Skill tree mods.
Any mods I should try for my second WH2 campaign? First was vanilla Karl.
what's the most OP upgrade for oda ashigaru units?
on skirmish maps vs friends, i always have a hard time using gunpowder since theres so many hills they just sit brhind and arrow me and they even have more range
>>740154138Morale and defense. Those boys will literally fight to the last men for your honor.
YARI KACHI!
I put my daimyo and generals in the thick of it if the situation calls for it, if they can't hack it. that's on them, shameful!
>>740152719I love you anon. Thank you. I really wish devs would do this shit on their own.
>>740099767Yabushige-sama, an angel taken from us too soon.
>>740087126They got japs in TWWH3 now?
>>740154503then make them come to you
>>740096769It's mostly Med2 tards who are happy that cav got to be broken OP again.
I love katana kachis so much bros... i love connecting with the enemy units using them
>>740091875>ShitUeseugi, Tokugawa, Hitori>Too easy Chokosabe, Shimazu, Date, Hojo>Easy but funOttomo, Ikko Ikki, Oda>BestTakeda>Literally whoMori
I still have no idea how to play as Takeda.The surrounding factions start attacking me from all possible sides, and I end up having too many frontlines that I can't sustain them all.
UTE UTE UTEEEE
>>740152819I feel like this is only true for Warhammer Total WarGarrison armies, which are what make defensive siege battles viable, are actually worth a shit in older TWs
>>740157458you need to play diplomacy and get as friendly as possible with hojo and imagawa, basically leave the south for oda to mop up which you will deal with after focusing north
>>740086457>Have a bunch of allies through the game>Best friends forever>Hit that imaginary number of areas conquered>Everyone including my allies instantly go to war with me
>>740115373>>740132256>>740137939interesting how hard an Uesugi campaign is meanwhile they very easily and quickly win the japan battle royale in almost every single EU4 game I play
>>740097538Horrificly stupid dogshit in comparison to the original TV show, which is already a butchering of the fantastic novel.
the only way i was ever able to complete this with the hattori clan was abandoning my original settlement and sailing to the north part of the map to basically have an entirely new starting point
>>740159019maybe you should play "Total Friends Who Let Me Win and Subjugate Them" instead or install a mod that randomizes the amount of provinces required for Realm Divide
>>740157458Last time I allied with Anegakoji and conquered the backstabbing hojo pricks. After that I secured the northern Japan while Anegakoji expanded south. When RD was imminent, I backstabbed them and went full blitzkrieg on their undefended territory. That being said I wholeheartedly recommend the "Common-sense diplomacy adjustments" mod. AI is still relentless but they are a bit more likely to keep their word.
>>740088993Even 4chan will occasionally ban you for racist jokes these days
>>740086457I loved hearing this guy again in Warhammer 3
>>740099767>SekigaharaKESSEN REMAKE FUCKING WHEN
>>740159019Sometimes they'll act nice, but at the end of the day, the other clans want to win too.
>>740138874The game still has weird audio bugs for me, like the music being way too quiet, and the colours on the minimap of all things are fucked.
>>740089889Which is more intuitive and leads to fluid tactical play: Armored Goblin Chastity Cage Elite Shroom Mages (Hammer) x Shboingo Nonces Jungle Ogre Warlords (Desert Eagles)Royal Guard Spearman x Shit-stained Town MilitiaWith the latter you can actually get a feel for what's going on and then play accordingly and adjust your strategy as in consider flanking, using better terrain and so on. With the former you just look up the stats and mash the stronger unit against the weak ones with meta knowledge according to situational buffs/debuffs
>>740159892Racism is against the rules.
>play Otomo>finish an entire campaign fighting nothing but rebelsIncite revolt was honestly busted, looking back. Doesn't help that the actual AI factions go full retard when it comes to rebels, they'll usually never attack rebel-held towns.
>>740159285Why do you say that?
YOOOHOHOHO HO HOYOHOHO HO HOYOHOHO HO HOBring back the dyke guy who used to make music for this franchise NOWNOWNOWWW
>>740160982I think he got cancelledOr was it elder scrolls music n'wah?Also you have been tagged. Richard Beddow will personally come to your house to blow duduk and stock wind instruments for 12 hours straight into your ear.
>>740160413Rules are against the rules
>AI takes its entire army out of its one and only settlement to attack neighbor >other neighbor strolls right on into undefended settlement>4 major and 12 minor factions gone by turn 3
>>740161948that was Soulevan Dyck stopped because he was an aussie and got tired of having to collab with a UK dev studio on the other side of the world
The Ikko-Ikki should have won.
>>740145375You have to get just large enough to be able to secure your lands from two directions. Have enough naval fleets to protect your trade nodes and your ports. Two cheap full stacks of bow rowboats is big enough that the AI won't consider attacking without two stacks themselves. And fire arrows means even if they do attacks, with good micro you can cripple their fleet even if you lose, raise enough stack and send it to retake. Alliances factor into the AI's willingness to declare war on you. You do need to make some alliance to prevent getting ganged up upon. But only one where your ally is already at war, so you dont get dragged into it yourself. On high difficulties the AI insists you must be at war with someone, basically at all times or random clans will declare war against you. Having an alliance with a sizable clan already at war counts for this and is really the only way to turtle just before Realm Divide as long as you need. Or declare war on one of the tiny island clans far away that isn't a real threat. Also you have to choose a clan with a high Integrity. Yes, those clan descriptors actually matter. High integrity means the likelihood of them declaring war on you randomly is lower, although which clan is available and best to ally isn't ever really much under your control. Ninja are worth an entire army stack. I never initiate Realm Divide with five 4+dot ninja and enough money to keep enemy armies safely sabotaged. Also for legendary difficulty, the AI cheats and has unlimited money and can shit out full stack armies out of thin air. But NOT if you have visibility over their towns. They only cheat out of view. Keep single units of the lowest tier horsemen as scouts in their lands to harass and sabotage enemy resources. This also prevents enemy army stacks from beelining at you as they prioritize attacking weak forces but the AI doesn't like to split their armies so you can keep the AI bottled up and out of your lands for cheap.
Medieval 3 is going to save the franchise.
>>740161948>hink he got cancelled>Or was it elder scrolls music n'wah?Yeah it was the elder scrolls dude>Also you have been tagged. Richard Beddow will personally come to your house to blow duduk and stock wind instruments for 12 hours straight into your ear.NOOOOO
>>740162591That's a tall fucking order
I was, restless water.But I shall flow and crash, no more.Now, I shall be still.
>>740162591You got too much hope on that
>>740163265Frost coats my body.A final suit of armor.Buried in silver.
>>740160385I get that. I have only played Warhammer on tabletop, but there I just group stuff from a glance to like elite infantry, war machines, skirmish chaff and so on. Takes a bit more compared to historic titles, but as a result the faction variety and flavor of Warhammer is undeniably great.
>>740121558Yeah it's a lot of this playing out naturally. Morale being low at the outset is especially important for flavor. Samurai hold very well, makes the feeling huge when you start fielding elite troops. Veteran units feel almost unbreakable. Upgrades work the same way. Good generals are extremely impactful. Its less about where you are on the tech tree and what op Legionaires you have unlocked that solve the game by themselves (rome 2). That sort of balance is retarded. Roman legionaries weren't op because they were bulletproof or had insane statlines irl. It was due to how they were deployed and the entire logistical framework Romans operated under. I.e. stuff you actually COULD simulate in a tw game. Instead, a single unit of legion can rout 5-6 units of barbarians in a straight up fight while costing less upkeep than them, you get yours earlier and yours are unbreakable and insanely statted. Total nonsense game just to make redditors "feel" like they're in this uber mega power fantasy
>>740152819>I've never fought a single defensive battle in any total war game where i knew what i was doingMust've always played on easy mode then.Try to fight 4 full stacks plus a garrison with a single army in an offensive siege battle.You will lose.
>>740134643>tfw watched the Last Samurai today.>LMAOing at everything the whole time.At least Tom wasn't on Cruise Control this time.
>>740165721I rewatched it for the first since i was a kid some years ago and realised the whole movie is about tom cruise becoming a weeb kek
>>740165721>LMAOing at everything the whole time.Why?
>>740086457how tf do i get the portuguese boats?
>>740168119Either board a Big Black Carrack as soon as you gen an event for it or build the foreign trade port and accept Jesus both of which can fire randomly at any turn, the sooner the more south on the map you are.
>T-ToNO!
>>740149064are you retarded on purpose?
>>740152609>>740152719holy fucking based anon time to game
>>740167268that yari wall just hits so good
>>740152819once upon a time the ai was allowed to attack the player unlike in warhammer
>>740148896>Hidden units my lord!DAMN YOU
>>740172012TREACHOUSLY MEANT TO AMBUSH US!Man i miss the days of colorful aide de camps
>>740162591the historically correct sequel right?
>>740162591What do we know of med 3 so far? Have they revealed anything? I haven't been part of the tw community in years
>>740172538we know nothing except they're probably watering it down to have half of the features of Med 2
>>740172538Is still very early in development. The only good thing I catch in one their videos is that their adding visual armour upgrades again, which I guess is a good thing, and the province system is getting ditched for something else, so far all of those things are good, but still to early to know how it will really develop. Maybe around early 2027 we will get a view of how the game will turn out.
>>740096769For me it’s the apocalyptic feeling of it.The map gradually depopulates and becomes so desolate as the Huns push west and the climate worsens.My first playthrough was as the Vandals, once I got set up in Africa watching the fall of civilization across the Mediterranean made for a hell of a show. I eventually knocked the Huns out at the Pyrenees.WRE playthrough was a whole different ball game. No running allowed, everything from 410 to 424 was just constant full-scale war with endless Hun armies.>>740098148>No one fights 10+ hun armies using armies consisting of several different unit types since no one can micro that hardJust use slo-mo and pause dude. I didn’t win every battle but I ultimately beat the Huns, and my normal setup was 2-4 swords/axes, 4-6 spears, 3-4 missiles, 4 cav, and 2 Onagers.The Hunnic cav isn’t even a problem if you have foot missiles and good micro, the real pain in the ass is their ridiculous nigh-unbreakable heavy infantry.
>>740162591https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0They literally have no idea what to do with the game and are only working on it because no matter how it ends up, it will make a bank on launch.It's already the 3rd time they restarted development, the last time they were prototyping it and then decided to do Three Kingdoms instead because they couldn't get the dev team on board with it. No ideas what to do, zero faith in it ever being more than a fart in the wind like Pharaoh.It's why they're doing the whole open development thing. They know people will hate it, they'll simply be able to point on the forums and go "Ok, but we did it exactly the way you asked for and did all the changes you requested so it's not our fault. It's yours."
>>740173138All they have to do is make Med 2 again, but with better graphics and less jank, that is all.Hell, as long as they give good mod support people will probably buy just for it.
>>740173413>All they have to do is make Med 2 again, but with better graphics and less jank, that is all.They cannot make Med 2 again because Med 2 was made by the Australian company they bought and disbanded ahead of Rome 2 release.Van Dyke's music is an instrumental part of Med 2 and they can't get him back.Tiny roster shared by everyone in Europe will never be acceptable in 2028, neither by the fans nor by CA's investors and management.Et cetera.They, quite literally, cannot make Med 2 again.>Hell, as long as they give good mod support people will probably buy just for it.People will buy it no matter what, because of the name on the box. Just like they have with Empire, then Rome 2, and nowadays Warhammer 3.If it's shit beyond shit the normie fans will have already bought it and not care, 70 quid they give no fucks about... and the hardcore fans will run support campaigns warning people and reminding them of what happened to Three Kingdoms when the Chinese refused to bend over and accept overpriced and absurdly buggy DLC. So they have to make the sacrifice to keep the dream of Med 3 alive.Ergo, I'll repeat myself once again, this game will have its huge initial mountain pile of sales no matter what. Jank, modding, graphics, none of that will matter.
>>740142356>>740151720Ridiculous CA never did this for an expansion, its one of the most important events for like Japan, and spent a billion years trying to fix up that dogshit with lipstick called Rome 2
>>740173918Honestly at this point I just want Feral to port their mobile version to PC
>>740174317I cannot believe that there was a mobile releases of Empire and Medieval 2 and they added a bunch of new shit that would make the games actually playable again and theyre not being ported to PC because of licensing. Fuck CA, fuck them so much theyre the worst dogshit faggot company. Just give the franchise to Feral or let Sega disband it already
>>740174509>the best way to play what was originally a PC game is to emulate an android portfucking kill mehow did it come to this?gods I hate CA
>>740173138pharaoh was developed by 10 bulgarians with a budget of a sack of potatoes so clearly you dont know shit3k was the most effort they put into a game ever in the main studio and it is actually a good game
>>740174317Why do you want a mobile port back to pc? The game's already there on steam?>>740174509They added shit? Like what? I thought it was a 1 to 1 version of the game but on mobile
>>740089889All TW games only have a handful of unit types, the rest are just reskins with absolutely trivial stat variations like +1 MA or MD here and there.The beauty of Shogun 2 is that it understood this, and distilled its roster down to core unit types and roles. If something was meant to be defensive infantry it had an unequivocally clear defensive statline and was good at defending. If something was meant to be shock infantry, it had the stats necessary to shatter to target on the charge before being ground down.Later TWs just don't understand this. They pad out their rosters will millions of variations of the same few unit types, but the constant need to alter stats between them accumulates. +1MA is nothing but 10 units down the line you now have defensive infantry with offensive MA or offensive infantry with defensive MD and the roles all start blending together into this muddy incoherent mass. You get shock units that don't have the stats to be shock units because they need to be slightly worse than another faction's shock unit, you get defensive units that can't hold the line, you get offensive units that can defend amazingly. When roles break down and everything blends together, the game devolves into a statcheck and statchecks are mostly influenced by how quickly you raced down the tech tree or played your faction's minigame for free stats rather than how you chose to build your army or where you deployed them.
>>740175383more factions and bugfixes that plagued the original games
>>740175709New factions? Like who? And what bugfixes? Did they fix the 2h bug?
>>740100174how can they ruin something that's already garbage?
>>740086457>>740087126FPBPThey don't make them like they used to
>>740176626What about x64 bit support that would open the game for mods.
>>740177476Idgi. Are you saying med 2 on mobile is now 64x bit?
>>740175687Defensive oriented dwarves are boring and are only there delay games. I can assume dwarf campaigns to be the longest of any total war because of how slow and tanky but no ATK they are.
>>740147432why is his sword glued to the back of his knee?
FotS is the superior game.
>>740132115The last update for Shogun 2 permanently broke the gun sounds for me so that all the muskets sound like cannons and all the cannons sound like muskets, and the bug still persists even after a completely clean install with no mods on a new hard drive.
>>740178225lol that was a bug issue with mods before. I don't know what CA is doing to "fix" their old games or why even bother unless its to make everyone play Warhammer and Warhammer-but-historical from now on
How to stop Napoleon from crashing in battles lol? I'm playing the Eras mod. I guess no-one knows.
>>740178375It's basically that. They are ruinning the old games so people are "forced" to play the new ones.
>>740176626Empire Total War made every minor and emergent faction playable with content as well as an added later start date and the Med 2 port fixed pikes, 2 handed units, trade port not calculating trade income properly, and gunpowder units spazzing out
>>740177546No, but some modders just created in the last months an .exe that converts the game to x64 bit basically.
>>740178865>the Med 2 port fixed pikes, 2 handed units, trade port not calculating trade income properly, and gunpowder units spazzing outYo that's huge. How the hell did they manage to do that when CA didn't lmao
>>740178865Why haven't they ported to PC the Med 2 mobile port? Sounds like easy money and they made the same thing with Rome I.
>>740179340>>740179436I honestly think CA are too selfish, raped, but especially fucking retarded to improve any games before Warhammer because everyone left. They've been especially petty to never fix Attila
Hyenas
>>740178993How does that change anything?
ashigaru spam is reddit personified. im getting the biggest, baddest armor/melee attack number on all my elite samurai and put them all in one stack
>>740179627>CA are too selfish, raped, but especially fucking retarded to improve any games before Warhammer because everyone left.Tight around my neckThe mailed fist of oppressionCold; as bitter winter
>>740180131>im getting the biggest, baddest armor/melee attack number on all my elite samuraiYeah but you're still not using yari samurai, at that point you just get naginatas
>>740180160Sad summer backlogfingers peruse the old boardInstall shogun 2
>>740180276>uesugi nigganatas>armor
>>740179681they joined the ACK!
>>740180276bow sam, naginatas, esp. katanas as well as all manner of cav. matchlock samurai are the shit btw, really recommend you to try them out
ZHATAN DA BRAJ
>Assign matchlock ashigaru on waist high village fence>They are suddenly killing machines and fire at 20 shots per minute???
>>740178865>Empire Total War made every minor and emergent faction playable with contentcan you play as usa in the normal campaign or still only in the shorter late start one?
>>740156102No, why would they have them
>>740181387you can start as the Thirteen Colonies and from there form the USA which I think is an even better campaign anywaygives you more to work towardsI don't know if they get the bonus units in the grand campaign after forming them, however
Sleepybunp
>>740086457what things did you specially hate about shogun 2?>ballistics dumbed down. arrows deal the same damage regardless of their trajectory. height gives no range advantage. shogun 2 started this trend that never went away.>base units too strong. you can genuinely win the game with only yari/bow ashigaru and it wouldn't even be a challenge run (in rtw winning with only town watch would be ridiculously hard for example). elite units have their number scale nerfed down to ensure you don't get too much value out of them.>"choose your general traits" mechanics. downgrade from rtw/m2 where your general had his own personality, which you indirectly influenced. also no "family wipeout" mechanic, both you and the AI can get your generals killed with no gameover threat. generals are no longer unique.>sieges are fucked. the fire torches breaking the gates down, the climbing, the AI getting fucked even by small ashigaru garissons, everything.>shitty diplomacy, even in comparison to RTW and M2. kinda understandable because the entire premise is "conquer japan".
>>740184296>elite units have their number scale nerfed down to ensure you don't get too much value out of them.I think it's more of a case of the population that comprises elite units aren't as plentiful as the peasant class
>>740170208Isn't dono? It's honorific title isn't it?
Geisha are so deep in the tech tree, such bullshit, and there not even good, they get thot policed by metsuke and missionaries and killed by ninjas.
I wish the update of Rome would fix (remove) the province system. Also make the cities smaller
>>740184296>ballistics dumbed down. arrows deal the same damage regardless of their trajectory.In which games was this a thing? Shogun 1 or some shit?
>>740174317Rome remastered was almost really good; I hate the UI changes and a lot of the graphical changes. (The new artworks also look shitty and cheap) But the simple fact that they took off engine limits for the number of settlements and factions is huge, and makes modding potential amazing. I can’t imagine what that could look like for MTW2 and if any of the old modders/still active modders actively developed it. An even more massive Tsardoms, larger Third Age, more detailed and better stainless steel, updated broken crescent. The potential is endless.
>>740087126what is wrong with the shiny new mods on older versions of games? 1212 seems super dank right now to me.
>>740091308They do. They don't have the L in their language, so they replace it with the closest consonant there is, which is R. I raff at you gaijin piggu.
>>740184739both rome 1 and medieval 2not sure about anything older than rome 1, but supposedly it was also a thing in medieval 1shogun 2 killed it
Rome 2 with DEI is one of the best and you are big gay if you disagree.
>>740185510we here in /v/ don't tolerate DEI in games
>>740184739>>740185394the vertical thing was in medieval 2 onlyin medieval 2 an arrow volley that hits vertically (arrows shot towards the sky) deals reduced damage to simulate the arrow losing most of its bow kinetic energy and having only gravity leftin rome 1 vertical shots were not possible. if archers couldn't shoot at a certain angle, they didn't shoot at all
>>740120145Most underrated total war, luv me bronze
I think Empire is a cool game, despite being objectively dogshit. Dunno why I like so much.
>>740184739It isnt lost technology though, which is nice. In Pharaoh direct fire has higher lethality than arced shots.
Shogun 2 had the most fun siegesBloodbaths on the walls beat putting spikes/oil at your gate and going afk
>>740186283Its good with darthmod
>>740186670The sieges were pretty smooth, at least in the high tier castles. The multi layer castle actually allowed to make smart defensive formations, instead of the slog that is fighting in walls and narrow streets while putting times 4x waiting for it to finish
>>740184296Campaign map naval AI in FOTS is possibly the most cancer thing ever implemented in any total war game. At least in base shogun 2 the AI couldn't blow up your tea plantation with a fishing boat every turn. It costs two turns worth of income to repair it btw.
>>740172852Looking what they did with Pharaoh and how they improved from Troy/3K, I'm pretty confident its gonna be a good game>Vigor, terrain and armor type likely matters a lot>Direct fire gives benefit to archers, making outmaneuvering beneficial>Charge-focused morale breakers will be back>Fighting retreats and heavy infantry beinf able to push lighter infantry allows for more complex strategies than mainline + ranged brawl>Fire (arrows) able to burn forests/tall grass
>>740184296>rng ancillaries >boat spam and agent spam>matchlock units take way too long to tech to>fire by ranks ability sucks>realm divide is kind of gayI wish there were mods to fix this
>>740187226The only way the can hope for any historical game to really work is by actually making deep and complex mechanics.They have to understand that the Warhammer bucks will run out eventually>but 40kThat is actually a game I am very doubtful will actually have a smooth release, the fact that may not even a proper TW per se + console compability is probably the biggest red flag, and I feel it will also going to have an even more rough life than fantasy
>>740187626fire by rank has always been trash in all the games.The best experience I had with guns was with a mod in empire that allowed all ranks to fire, but ammo was greatly reduced and melee was encouraged, as well as actually keeping reserves with ammo
What do I do with Hattori anons? Do I dominate central Japan and then proceed South? I like their vanguard deployment not to mention the ninja gimmick.
>>740188292Yes
>>740173138>>7401752403 Kingdoms was so much better than I expected. Do you guys know of any good mods for it?
>>740187898it sucks in shogun 2 in particular because it is programmed to play an animation for some random duration (like 5-12 seconds or something retarded) before your units can actually shoot, so instead of being able to get an extra volley in you are basically doing the same amount of shooting as you would with it turned off. kneel fire in fall of the samurai is how it should have worked.
>>7401896831.7.2 bug fix, TUP, WDG2, and MTUSerious Trivia is the designated 3KTW autist so watch his vids if you want to really learn the ins and outs
>>740189683>>740191091also if you want a major overhaul mod there is TROM you can think of TROM as pretty much being to 3KTW what DEI is Rome 2
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>Start choke point battle>Line up guys with spears in front and archers in back>Watch enemy run across bridge/river and fucking die I've been doing this for 26 years. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok86Hw5CZqE
>>740186283Empire has one of the coolest campaign layers in the series, it's just let down by the land battles being such total ass.
>>740185510Rome 2 is a turd no matter what color of sprinkles you put on top of it
>>740191091>Serious Triviafor lore autism this guy is great but holy fuck he plays the game in an autistic way running around settlements cheesing the ai and the design fault of smaller settlements
IT APPEARS THAT THE ENEMY TAISHO HAS FORSAKEN HIS HONOR AND IS RUNNING LIKE AWHIPPEDDOGGU
>Their Genewal haz fawen. A cuttin bwo!
>>740159019i get allies going against you over time and having a good relationship buys you time but it's annoying when vassals go against you because you're better off just conquering entirely before realm divide happens
Was 3K good or nah? I played it and enjoyed it overall but never got too deep into it despite liking Three Kingdoms settingsfelt like it just didn't get a lot of updates and care compared to Warhammer
>>740191091Can you explain what these mods are good for?>>740191258Never heard of TROM, is it the sequel to TRON?
I miss how the AI in Shogun/Medieval 1 would actually use the mass withdraw command to just nope out of battles if it thought it was unwinnable.
>>740191673I imagine he's just played the game so much he just does the meta at this point>>740193576it is goodit didn't get care or updates because sales were poor on a DLC absolutely nobody asked for so CA threw a tantrum and immediately abandoned the gameand right when I calmed down about how much I hate CA I am now right back in the seethe>>7401936591.7.2 bugfix speaks for itselfbugfix patch that addresses the bugs still left in the game after CA went and abandoned itthe other 3 are moreso flavor and graphic additions, they add more unique designs to historical generals that otherwise have the generic general portraits and modelsTROM - The Rule of Might - is an overhaul that combines a couple of mods as well as does various unit stat and ability tweaks, balancing, a couple of reskins, new units and buildings, new mechanics, etc.the whole shebangmore something to install when you get bored of the base game and want to change things upthe modding scene for 3tkw appears to largely be korean and chinese so be ready to break out the translator for the mods the creators weren't nice enough to translate themselves
>>740194371>CA threw a tantrumCA supports games on a whim and for unusually long time>See prototype mp campaign for empire, or rome 2 updatesIt gets told to fuck off by its publisher
>>740186283>one province francewhat the FUCK were they thinking
>>740194676>UK devs"lol fuck france"
>Page 9Like blossom on the breezeWill the wind carry my name?Who will remember?
>>740196265417 replies is a lot more than I would have expected for a Shogun 2 thread in this day and age so there's that
>>740087126This, fuck everything made after it. Those all use Rome 2 as a base and Rome 2 is horrendously, incomprehensively bad.
>>740194162It does this in Napoleon, but I think that's the last game where it does.
THEY'RE RUNNING LIKE HEATHENS FROM A PREACHER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54nEheZzRfYALL MEN BOW TO METHEIR MIGHTY SHOGUN
I can share the "Anti-French Sentiment" tech even though I'm France. Maybe I'll keep that to myself.
>convince my best friend to buy Shogun 2>help him learn the game>asks if he wants to do a Shimazu versus Date campaign>mah boi agrees>the campaign fizzles out, but it was still fun
>>740199697very immersive
>>740096769the WRE wave defense survival campaign mostly
>>740096769Gameplay is fun, grand campaign sucks
>>740199790I always had more fun doing campaigns with friends when we choose factions close enough together to influece eachother but not close enough to directly step on eachother
The only hope for Japan is a shogun who is Catholic.
>>740200528
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jn7SSBiFoE
