Characters that feel great when you first use them but feel like shit once you get better at the game?
>>740134904yeah I guess you could say he’s a pretty great knight
>>740134904The opposite>noobs think shes bad>occult knowledge collectors understand she outscales ryoma
Nino always has been good and always will be good.
>>740134904What the fuck kind of name is Gilliam
>>740135482At what?
>>740135428Whitewashing.
>>740135428She still makes me horny all these years later, but I'll admit, I forgot the trick to making her into a murder machine
>Gilliam thread>slow afheh>>740136738being bad
>>740136738Being cute!
>>740137645Magic. That's it. This took 10 years for people to figure out.
Corrin is Argentinian now
>>740139267Also a double amputee and a lesbian rape victim from Soleil. She really is ready for modern gaming
>>740139267
This chick. Idk why she feels so OP at first and how she falls off so hard
>>740140623Celica’s ragnarok is tuned for early game OHKOs with Celine
>>740140623She's just ass
>>740140623magic damage on low res targetsher growths are balanced in a game where minmaxing is king
>>740140981There’s never been a single good mixed attacker
>>740141050
>>740141050merrincamillagreninja
>>740140623It's literally all Celica
>>740141050the humble FE4 Master Knight:
>>740141107>>740141245Leif's magic is terrible. Here's an actual answer.
Fire emblem
I don't have space on my team for all the shitters I want to pair up in conquest, I don't know how you do it without benching essential units like camilla and azura
>>740143570
I want to set chrom up with olivia but I accidentally got him to c with sumia already somehow. can I still dodge her if I don't view the conversation?
'tensia's birthday
Take a load off Guy, relax buddy!
Relay?
big 'tensia
>>740136737
>>740135428>she's actually the best character when you give her all the exp and stat boosters
>>740134904He has all the weak growths of a prepromote without the dignity of a prepromte class. It's like Seth made a deal with the devil to be a good unit and in return Gilliam got Jagen syndrome as to maintain equilibrium.
>>740136737same name as wilhelm or guillaumemeans literally "with helmet" i.e. it's a warrior name
>>740137645horse spirit supportive skills from whatever nohrian class you want and magic+res+speed tonics and stat boosts.she's not really a murder machine she just deals decent damage really, much worse if the enemy has a res stat (sorc and strategists mostly), most units will actually outdamage her easily, but she just doesn't die, and after taking 0 damage the enemy now has sealed res for even more damage, and if they actually managed to damage her she now deals even more damage with fiery blood. if enemies on birthright had the brain to ignore her massive defense stat when they can't deal damage to her she'd actually be in a very similar situation to benny really, where yeah he's a good tank but the enemies just ignore him or hit on his weaker res stat or with shurikens seal defense and posion strike in bennys case
>>740136738At Nino.
>>740141050eh, Mage Knights are pretty solid across the board in Engage, the problem is just that every Lord class sucks ass aside from the Elusia sisters' classes
fire emblem?
>>740154719no fire emblem today, only water emblem.
>>740135428>She outclasses RyomaRinkah is better than people claim but let's not exaggerate here just because you think she's hot.
>>740140623>>740140821Celine is just a pretrained Clanne with slightly more HP thanks to class bases early on. Celica carries her long enough for better units (Anna and Citrinne) to do the rest.
>>740134904The resident grappler character in fighting games
>>740155134>better units (Anna
>>740151701vidame has great caps and has a lot of niches with its weapon ranks + mystic unit type. celine's awkward growths are what hold her back.
>>740155586Anna is blessed by the fact that she exists in a game with Micaiah and so it takes one map to go from 5/0 to 10/1 and can just go straight into a real class. If you want an offensive mage to carry out of Engage's early game, Anna definitely mogs Celine.>>740155710No one hits caps unless the caps are incredibly low and what kills her more than anything as an offensive unit are her bad personal bases.
>>740155710>capslol
>>740146003She’s officially 18 now!
hear me out anons...miracle celine
>>740135428>>>>>>45% Str growth
>>740156780Celine will never reach her boob stat cap
>>740157452>hortensia already hit her boob stat capITS OVER
>>740157524Elusia really be the Kingdom of Giant Massive Boobies
>>740136738Multi birth pregnancy
>>740157524>he thinks that's her capyou gotta equip her with emblem Camilla for the Boobs+5 skill, and Boobtaker.
>>740155993low caps do matter in engage. it's why diamant is shit. his dex cap is so obnoxiously low it neuters anything he can do with sol. vidamme has high caps all around. she's not hitting a wall. it's just one benefit worth mentioning that vidamme has. her bases are fine because she has no issue one rounding when she joins. she gets outpaced because her growths are bad.
>>740159521Dex isn’t a meaningful stat. Diamant sucks because physical units do. Some of the late game enemies have like 70 defense.
>>740159521The only stat she's capping is luck in any magic class at like the very end of the game. It's completely irrelevant.
>>740155062I think it's hard to see what the practical difference between a gigatank and a Vantage tank in Fates, especially in Birthright. But this more speaks to what a juggernaut is than anything specific to Rinkah (or Ryoma). I always point out that you can literally make Ryoma clones in Saizo/Kaze, Odin, etc., but the difficulty is in assuming that they actually get that investment when Ryoma is free.
>>740159521>muh sol dex cap when a not insignificant amount of units in Engage dont even reach that muchDex only matters if you have assblastingly bad amounts and exists in a game where accuracy boosting is rare/hard to access.In Diamant's case, high dex would be appreciated for proc skill fishing (see Alcryst/Timerra) but you offset the 20ish dex he'll likely end with by simply attacking more times via doubling and emblems. Marth!Diamant for example when built towards doubling can attempt anywhere between 2 to like 10 fishes of Sol in a given combat round. The law of large numbers will do the rest.
>>740134904Wtf he is NOT that skinny
>>740141725>The Tranny Dragonopinion discarded
>>740160087Dex matters in two specific instances but only one of them is halfway applicable to Diamant and I'd care more about it concerning two other royals.
>>740159521I know people don't like to hear this type of metafaggotry, but since you're making claims about what is good and not, you invite it: Diamant is not bad because of his personal class. He can't help what is personal class is. It's like saying Kagetsu is bad because Swordmaster has a low strength growth, therefore Kagetsu's strength growth is low. It's asinine, you're literally evaluating him unfairly.You have to put units in a comparable, desired class and see what their averages say. And it turns out Diamant is kinda mid but not especially bad. Now if you want to use him in his base class, you're committing to a glorified Hero with a mediocre self-heal, and that's on you, but it will at least make him unique.
>>740161056NTA but Succ is honestly a better class than Hero. Brave Assist is overrated and 1 character with it is more than enough if you wanted an extra backup chip filler bot. I'll take the slightly higher stats and better weapon ranks any day. Its a shame that a better unit can't leverage the class since tomahawk, dual braves + s rank swords are not a bad combo with Eirika and Marth.
>>740161434Well I did say it was a glorified Hero. Hero itself is pretty stinky and a meme. I wish they had done a better job of incentivizing the usage of all these Backup classes instead of the WARRIOR WARRIOR WARRIOR meta we got instead.
>>740160271>you can literally make Ryoma clones in Saizo/Kaze, Odin, etchow?
>>740134904ODSTs in Halo wars. Then I just spec into Grizzlies and Hawks instead.
>>740161702So, cut through the hype and break down what Ryoma is. He's a unit in Fates and the same rules that govern the math of the game apply to him.>Vantage>Astra>high critical rate>high attack power>mediocre natural bulk>1-2 rangeThere's nothing about this that is specific to him. He brings a unique flavor of it with Raijinto, but a lot of it is Samurai doing the heavy lifting. What do Saizo, Kaze, and Odin have? 1-2 range, high critical rate classes, and Samurai skills. Odin can even use Mjolnir which is a 1-2 range tome with 25% crit rate, and has a personal skill that grants 10 crit rate and a class that grants another 10. If you throw Gamble in there from marriage (he can afford the accuracy trade), that's another 10 crit still, if you feel like getting memey with it.tl;dr: Ryoma is a "contingency/RNG tank" rather than a tank-tank and you can scrimblo these yourself if you feel like it
>>740134904Kotor and especially Kotor 2 due to weapon finesse. Dex builds felt wrong for me initially back in 2003 because big strong jedi wants to use laser sword and dex is for ranged fighters.Then I finally caught up and made the pea-brained connection that dex both improves defence and ranged weapons but strength only improves one field, and in 2 it improves melee too. 2 in particular has baity skills like duelling that make you think using one lightsaber is viable if you want but the nature of being able to carry two sticks that both give you stat buffs over one that can only carry so many means by the end you end up with some hyper autistic +14 DEX monster who can't miss, can't be hit, and because there's so many items that buff your stats anyway: its probably an INT skill monkey too. So babby's first build-optimizer I guess. It didn't stick though, I don't have the patience for digging through D&D games as long as what I have works.
>>740161702All Ryoma wants is a wife like Rinkah, just like Xander just wants Selena/Charlotte.You can make other juggernauts if you know how the game works. i.e a class with decent 1-2 range, a synergistic skill set and a good spouse.Eg. Oni Chieftain + Maid/Onmyoji/Ninja MasterOr Ninja Master + any source of bonus strength/defense.Etc
>>740161556>REEEEE how dare warrior be better than hero for a single game how dare bows not be a total meme weapons
Marriage with Marianne!
>>740163018There was never anything inherently wrong with warrior in most games. Usually just fighters are worse characters than mercenaries. It was only an obvious downgrade in FE8 where the option for Hero was a no-brainer due to having much better promo bonuses.
>>740162019>>740162534>and the same rules that govern the math of the game apply to him.- 1-2 range- enough speed to double- enough hp+def to survive two hits- enough attack power to kill in one round of combatRyouma gets paladin from friendship so he can grab those skills and go back to swordmaster, very convenient because he can use swords in both classesHe gets 10 avoid from his class and 10 from his sword so he can dodge axes and bowsI was wondering how you get Saizo, Kaze and Odin the same kill power, do you just hope for a crit/skill proc? Do you use the high-crit shuriken on the ninjas?
>>740163018Bows were already not meme weapons for years prior.
>>740163505Oni Chieftain Orochi + Onmyo Hayato/Ninja Master Saizo with Horse Spirit makes a mockery of so many formations in BR and this isnt even that hard of a combination to make.
>>740163505>I was wondering how you get Saizo, Kaze and Odin the same kill powerIt's pretty easy to crank up attack power in Fates. Kaze is the worst of the three but you could still do it. There are a bunch of spirit dusts in CQ and magic targets the weaker defensive stat.Here's the numbers on an optimized 20/20 Ryodin:>12 crit via 28 rammed DEX cap>10 personal skill>10 Sorcerer>25 MjolnirRyoma himself expects 37 crit with his optimized setup at level cap. So at this point, the differential lies in their speed, as they have very similar bulk profiles. And yeah, you would have to patch up Odin's speed to make it really work but there are speedwings and pair-ups for that.
>>740164113Odin has 57 crit with this btw, versus Ryoma's 37. You could push it to 67 with Gamble but it's kinda overkill.
>>740163505>Ryouma
>>740163713Yeah, magic tanks are really good in birthright. Personally I used a dark knight corrin.>>740164113>>740164181I see, so they're basically the same except they rely on crits to kill and have negative avoid.
You know the kimono poster has a point. Why are you posting the translated, latinized script instead of the Japanese? It’s still not the original text.
I use aqua
>>740165056Nta, but why act like a poojeet fag?
>>740165970I can’t read that.
>>740145958If you don't view the conversation, yes. You just have to end the chapter with Olivia having more support points than he has with Sumia. Do like 300 turns of lapdances to be sure.
>>740166132Seliph?
>>740134904You could give Amelia an infinite durability Wing Spear in her join chapter as her very own prf and she'd still be a bad unit.
>>740166132Anri!
>>740146313im down
>>740160087>Some of the late game enemies have like 70 defenseSome of the late game enemies also have 70+ avoid. Look at this Diamant an anon posted yesterday. He has 20 DEX and 138 hit with a silver sword (90 hit). He would need a +30 hit engrave to have reliable accuracy on those enemies, so what the fuck is he going to do with those 60-70 hit heavy weapons he's supposed to be good with? Late game enemies average around mid-50s avoid. You can't just engrave all of his weapons either, and you don't have infinite 30-40 hit engraves. Ironically, when I used Diamant, I made him a Warrior, which is supposed to be the best physical class in the game that fixes anyone, but he still sucked ass.
>>740165543I'll say arthur and xander since those names are clearly changed, but some of the 'new' names characters are just the same names spelt wrong. Or do you pronounce "rinkah" differently than the common spelling "rinka"?
>>740160087>70 defense On the final map the highest it gets is 58. Stop playing unbalanced kaizo romhacks designed for YouTuber clickbait faggot
>>740167303https://serenesforest.net/engage/somniel/engraving/Now remember that he gets +15 from Fair Fight, all supports give bonus hit, multiple emblems boost hit via dex and/or luck and engage attacks can never miss. Corrin can also manipulate terrain if needed on top of rallies if you desperately need all the acc you can get.
>>740157524
>>740167752Not him but 58 is still insane with most physical units barely scratching 30 strength by endgame.
>>740167839>he gets +15 from Fair FightASSUMING the enemy can counterattack. Which means you better fucking one-tap or break his ass, or you're just giving the enemy an advantage too. And sure, I could pull out all those stops for Diamant, or I could just use a unit that isn't shit.
>>740166132Is that supposed to be the Zero Emblem? Is it Anri after all?
>>740166132fucking its sommie!
You're now Eirika and you get to bring only two units with you at the route choice, who do you bring?
>>740168358Seth and Vanessa so she can rescue drop Eirika after Seth clears everything.
>>740168358Seth and Vanessa. Maybe Ross over Vanessa if he's blessed since I like watching berserker crits.
>>740168358Seth and Franz, but Vanessa is a good second choice. But I get Tana immediately after the split.
>>740167991You're still seriously overstating the impact of le dex cap on Diamant. Ivy has comparable dex to Diamant with even worse luck so her hit rates are far lower since swords and tomes tend to have similar hit rates anyway.But people hype up Ivy while shitting their pants over muh dex cap.130 - 50 = 80 Hit, so the true hit is far higher than that. Wolves with their 70 avoid are generally hard to hit for most of the cast, this is not a unique issue for Diamant.
>>740167752I play nothing but kaizo romhacks because I'm not a shitter like you.
>>7401349044 str 20 skill 20 speed 4 def memedons that still get hit by the brigand with 4 percent hit and a dream and die instantly
>>740168737Ivy only ever uses one tome pretty much so you just give her bolganone a hit engrave.
>>740166132Kaga?
Nobody actually uses myrmidons do they?
>>740134904>Characters that feel great when you first use them but feel like shit once you get better at the game?The reverse: Fiona and Meg turning out to be MVPs in Radiant Dawn.
>>740168737People did used to meme about Aibi's hit rates and it has always been a fake flaw. Hit engraves exist for a reason.
>>740168997The best way to play FE6 is taking advantage of hard mode bonuses for recruited characters. Rutger can carry you to the next carry and this works all the way down into Miledy and Percival.
>>740168737>can give Ivy better hit >she also can fly and has larger range>also has a two range weapon typeI drop Diamant as soon as his dad is dead, but Ivy sticks around for the whole game.
>>740168997I use them because their animations are cool.
I wonder if IS thought surge tomes were actually going to be a big deal with how easy it is to turn a normal tome into a perfect accuracy weapon.
>>740169249>two range weapon typeYou do know that Diamant has access to s swords and a axes right?I'm just pointing out that hit is a meme flaw in engage.
>>740169419Forging was a mistake.
>>740168997Only legitimate use of memedons is for waifu purposes. Marisa is absolute garbage but I love my purps with swords so I use her erry time.
>>740169419I think it's probably the reverse. They designed engraves and then realized a freebie with a severe drawback might be appropriate if we're cheating away accuracy as a factor already.
>>740168358Seth and Forde and I flash my panties at then during every battle to test their focus. Might spec into staves
>>740169491low dex, axes, and his skill only procing when the enemy can counterattack means you're going to be dealing with FE6-tier levels of hit rates with hand axes and tomahawks, which is the most important weapon type for diamant to be using because swords are a meme.Ivy has similarly shit hit rates but for the most part you can just slap an engraving on bolganone and call it a day. On the other hand diamant relies on more than just one weapon to be useful and at that point it's too much of an investment to put multiple hit engravings to patch up one unit.
IL30 Ivy: 20 Dex, 6 Lck = 43 HitIL30 Diamant: 20 Dex ,17 Lck = 48 HitIL30 Celine: 19 Dex, 30 Lck = 53 HitLmao
>>740168737>130 - 50 = 80 HitThe thing is that is 130 with a 90 hit weapon. The hand axe has 70 hit, and the tomahawk 60. 22 is the Succ DEX cap, so he can only get 4 more hit from natural DEX on that path.
>>740169495It really was. It destroys any semblance of balance .
>>740168997Memedons are the heart and SOUL of fire emblem because they have high variance for hype and aura moments. Critical hits, doubling, and dodging are all exciting moments and lead to more clutches than boring reliable classes have. I'm convinced the reason people like rebecca is that she gets a decent avoid stat and her fire supports give her like 20 crit so they get to see this cute girl clutch and pop off way beyond her usual parameters
>>740169849Tomes are inherently more accurate than axes.>48 hit + 70 from silver axe = 118 hit>43 hit + 85 from bolganone = 128 hit
>>740169849IL30 Saphir: 25 DEX, 16 Lck = 58 HitSeems Diamant needs to take some lessons from granny.
>misstime pulse nigga. missing is something you do not have to deal with in modern fe
>all these arguingjust use hort
>>740170157you didn't beat the game
Why was all the magic in engage so boring bros? Damage, 3 range damage, slightly more damage to fliers, cant miss damage (caps at el). Was there even a brave magic?
>>740170186Happy birthday to the cutest princess in the universe! Hortensia has a good DEX stat!
>>740170323>Was there even a brave magicyes
>>740170323Nova, it’s worse than bolgaone in the main game but in FX6 Ivy can delete an entire bar of nil’s more reliably with jt
>>740170323>Was there even a brave magic?Yeah Nova
>>740170323Make an original tome right now then smart ass
>>740170323>Was there even a brave magic?The S tome, Nova. I think the guaranteed hit 1-range spell was cool, especially when coupled with Thyrsus.
>>740169491Getting axes on Diamant requires promoting, at a time when master seals are rare.Or I can just not do that, and have Ivy use two-range weapons against res-let enemies for the whole game.
I really hate hortensiafag
bane?
>always attack second>add damage you took from combat to tome might for this combat only>if below half health, hit +10 >>740170513
>>740168737>hurr why does my axe unit with bad dex get considered worse than my tome unit with bad dexyeah its a real mystery why the low hit weapon class is a rough combination with the low hit character....
>Diamant-Hector might actually be pretty good because it has an answer (Sol) to Riposte shutting off when you drop below a certain HP thresholdHow did I not see this before? It even complements his stat profile of being a huge slow fatass with gigabuild. Could this be a weapon to challenge Bonded Shield and introduce proper tanking to 'gage?
>>740170186really though, Slepnir Rider is an insane class. amazing caps across the board and her only drawback is low HP and B rank tomes.
>>740170920but wyvern elise
>>740169495Its basically necessary in shadow dragon because of how garbage the strength bases in that game are. It turns fast strlets into killing machines
>>740171003>low HPjust kill them with player phase>B rank tomebypassed by engage tomes, celica, miccy(tani) and soren
>>740171045A +3 fire tome has 95 hit.
>>740171198and weapon ranks grant hit
>>740169795>Seth and Forde >Get Innes and Saleh laterI see what you're doing...
>>740170513>Firewall, B rank tome. after combat sets target's space and the two spaces beside it on fire.
>>740171198that applies to any elise, wyvern gets the bolt axe
>>740171391>hard mode>preserve virginity for ephraim
>>740171434By the time you can even buy the bolt axe you should be already promoting her to malig knight. Using an inaccurate bolt axe is a self-inflicted problem.
>>740170323>Was there even a brave magic?You had to roll for some ring with dire thunder.
>>740169819>>740169881>>740170080>>740170148The Great Knight Diamant in that image had 138 Hit. Succ has marginally more hit thanks to higher luck but it doesnt really matter. So the values earlier would be higher.There are 7 accuracy boosting engravings but you legitimately do not need to engrave every single weapon that you use for hit, that is a fallacy. Many weapons get extra hit from being forged.Many emblems give you at least +5 Hit when worn, especially at that point of the game when you're going to be at max or almost max bond rank.For exampleLyn!Tomahawk +1 = 105 Hit105 + 43 = 143 HitThat's already 73/93 Hit without skills, supports, emblems against those enemies.Let's suppose he couldnt get any of the big +dex/lck emblems and had to settle for Roy. +2 Skl/+1 Lck on engage can average +4-5 Hit.Woah, we're already at 78/98 Hit with the extremely inaccurate Tomahawk.No tonics/cooking/supports. Just 1 engrave, a basic ass forge and an emblem that barely helped.If you didnt want to use Lyn, Byleth/Lucina engravings offer less hit but Ivy kinda wants Byleth more for the bonus crit avoid so...
>>740170323>bow>3 range bow>crits bow>magic bow>1 range bow>brave bow>best phys class uses bowsBowbros WON in engage
Branching classes.... SOVL...
>>740170920Diamant uses swords and axes faggot. Do you retards just zone in on one point and ignore everything else?Accuracy issues in engage are a big fucking meme. Its a meme for Ivy, its a meme for Diamant, its a meme for everyone.
>>740171541why suffer through 10+ levels in a physical class if you're not going to use axes? is this all for the defense growth?
>>740170513The reverse of Miciahs heal magic where there's a tome that permanently depletes allies of their hp for that chapter and the amount depleted is the damage output. No limit to it either so you can just use it as a mega nuke for a boss if you want.
>>740171816>why suffer through 10+ levels in a physical class if you're not going to use axes?You are using axes. She's simply more useful as a wyvern than as a healer, and it's much quicker that you get those 10 levels when you're actually able to fight instead of relying on trash healing experience.
>>740171770I want this back. I'm tired of unlimited reclassing and going in any direction.
>>740170513Engage doesn't have an Ice tome.Just make a tome that does okay damage, but puts ice veins around the target.>but it'd make Entrap worthlessThen just limit the amount of Ice tomes, or make it S for tome proficiency. And Entrap can only be used by staff users anyways, and much earlier.
>>740165970Does he engage with anyone?
>>740172105a "Frozen tomb" tome that makes it so they can't move, but an ally can bust them out with an attack would be neat.
>>740171663Look, we can argue this in circles for years. Everyone knows that you can make any unit work in Engage because of how it's designed. I don't think there's a single unit in the game that would have hit rate issues with a Lyn-engraved tomahawk. I love that weapon, I run it every time. The only point I'm trying to make is that Diamant has an annoying pain point, that's it. I view him as being on the lower end of units because I don't think he brings anything special to the table to offset it either.
In the not FE category, Agrias from FFT.If you do not understand the mechanics, she actually falls off so hard due to poor stat growth that basic hires are better.With the game hacks, you find out that Zalbag is actually one of the most powerful npcs in the game if you level him up.
Not sure about CF, but this is my go-to noob trap character when this question comes up
>>740172541Her stun carried a ton of battles even if the damage was laughable, but by endgame you have Cid, Calculator, souped up monsters--she's a shark in a tank of bigger sharks
>>740172013Speak for yourself. These games have obvious paths for characters but give you the freedom to wander off that path if you wish. FE is a series built around replays, choice enhances that.
>>740172912>"dude freedom">>>there's an optimal choiceNah, fuck that. We don't need more 3H Wyvern Spam. We don't need Wolf Knights everywhere.
>>740172529Look, I dont care how you feel about Diamant as a unit. The simple fact of the matter is harping about accuracy in engage is asinine and just people sidestepping the actual pain point with him and many other units.I merely just brought up Ivy to demonstrate that units with even lower personal accuracy have 0 hit rate issues because engage gives you enough tools to fix problems.
>>740172979>wolf knight>optimalLmao
>>740172541I don't understand the mechanics. I assumed bases (and skills) > growthsI replayed FFT a couple years ago and used ninjas, summoners, agrias and cidAgrias got the attack boost from geomancer while cid stayed in his base class so the difference wasn't that big.
>>740141050Annette. She's abysmal on the defense, but VERY good at attack in either magic or physical.
>>740141050Jugdral troubadours
>>740134904Disgaea monster units
>>740161815Yeah but getting to OD-O-O-ODS-OD-ODST STANDING DOWN feels more satisfying
>>7401733591?Because from 2 onward there is always a few broken ones.
why did bro wave dash at me??
>>740161815>>740173369Yeah, ODODODSTs are for spamming and getting an early win. Just drive one warthog over, and then nuke your opponent with like forty drops at once.
>>740173583That's a dashdance idiot
>>740173051The different sword skills are magic stat based, so you need to level up in classes with magic stat growth.Ironically, that means all the classes with low magic growth (most of the CC classes) means Agrias will be very weak with her holy knight skills that make her worthwhile.Add to that, Cid has a higher modifier on his sword skills, so unless you built Agrias right, he blows her clean out of the park.Built well, Agrias actually holds parity with Cid.
>>740173036>sidestepping the actual pain point with him and many other unitsWhich is?
This girl with glasses in the FW trailer is probably one of the reasons I'm most excited for the game. I just really like characters who wear glasses and love to see more
Why didn't the pair up mechanic from Fates carryover to future FE games? It was genuinely a great mechanic and gave otherwise useless units some utility even if it was just being backpacks.
>>740173890Genuinely what drives you to do this
>>740173908Pair Up only serves to make juggernauting even better. Give units utility in more creative ways that isn't "I take away all of my liability and make your S tier unit even more broken
>>740173908it does exist in some form in 3h
>>740173890i hope she can successfully get back to japan.
>>740173908It's in 3H and Heroes.3H has it as Adjutants, which works like Fates.Heroes has Pair Up, which is functionally the Awakening version but without dual attacks.
>>740174230>3H has it as Adjutants, which works like Fates.Lmao
>>740173908>It was genuinely a great mechanicNo, it was dogshit, and I'm glad it's gone.
>>740173864I thought the main problem was that holy sword skills depended on physical attack and female units had less physical attack than men. I know the magic stat matters for samurai skills but I didn't use those.As for leveling, do you mean you play through the game in shitty classes so that your final chapter stats are slightly higher? How much of a difference does it make compared to a playthrough where you go spend just enough time in other jobs to get skills then use whatever works best?
>>740173864Ackstually, the Sword Skills scale of PA and your weapon which is why Attack Boost works. Geomancer Agrias is popular due to 108 Beads + Attack Boost + Sword Access allowing her to inflate her sword skill damage and offset her innately lower PA due to being a woman but if you're autistic enough to grind, IIRC Knight is the best class to grow for PA shit. Its beek a while.>>740173883Diamant's problem isnt his dex, his problem is that he's aggressively average in too many categories in a game that rewards specialists. Its the same reason why Celine feels bad to use because its easier to fix just speed or just mag than doing both speed + mag. At Diamant can cope with Blade access on Eirika + Marth or Greataxe access on Ike. Celine is more of a 2nd/3rd string staff bot utility unit.
>>740173908It doesn't thematically fit games where units don't make babies and it's very overcentralizing. It defines Fateswakening so much that it's hard to think of it being in any other game, even though I love it.
>>740174438You are right, Agrias suffers from having a pussy and wanting to be a melee unit. MA is for magic, draw out and beowulf.
>>740135428Believe me, I forced her into being good on my first playthrough since she was hot. But the amount of effort needed… I can’t in good faith say it was worth it and it took the majority of the game to get her there. Almost all the boosters and then yeah she ends up being super tanky and strong. But her growths are laughable and unless you just go all in on her it’s not worth it. Would be fixed by a higher HP growth, D/C in clubs, and some better bases or something.
>>740174676You built her wrong.
>>740174676HP Tonic/Angelic Robe > Oni ChieftainPair up with Kaze, Hayato or OrochiDone.Rinkah is a bulky mixed attacker, not a berserker type.
Is everyone here strict Ironmaners, reset when any unit dies, or reset only when certain units die?
>>740174676Fun fact: Rinkah has the third lowest HP growth, only beaten by Azura and Gunter
>>740167621It's clearly supposed to be Linca. Silly localizers.
>>740174067Pair up makes my juggernauts better and attack stance makes the rest of my team way better. Everyone wins.
>>740174992>reset only when certain units dieThis but it's rare for the good units to die so I don't reset often
>>740174992ironman
>>740174361>build support rank>add some stats>can block attacksOnly difference was that blocking was like a static 30% chance, while the shield gauge in Fates had a build-up like Specials do in Heroes.
>>740170956>looking at this more closely>Quick Riposte>Impenetrable>Storm's Eye>Heavy AttackWas Hecc literally made for Diamant? The final version of QR only requires 60%+ of HP. Even if Dorkamant pulled off a Sol proc once per enemy phase, you would expect him to stay above such a generous threshold, considering all the natural HUGENESS Hector gives besides. Heavy Attack means you go big on the Tomahawk forge, don't worry about reducing its weight at all.You can even activate Backup-version Storm's Eye for +20 crit on a clutch turn and this will prevent any breaks.I feel like I gotta try this. I downright overlooked it.
>>740174992I'll eat deaths if they aren't important>>740175034Attack Stance is only helpful early game. Mid to late game, most everyone is paired up to avoid enemy Attack Stance
>>740175210>build support rankMeaningless in a game where supports don't matter>add some statsNo they don't?>can block attacksDoesn't work similarly at all.They're nothing alike and that's without the obvious fact that you're ignoring like the main aspect of pairup which is that it's dynamic and not statically glued from the deployment screen.
All girls posted in this thread have hairy bungholes
>>740173908Emblem rings are the compromise. Units still get to be customized with something but you don’t have to lose half of your deployment slots. I like pair up more though.
>>740175492Ackshually certain adjutant pairs like Byleth/Flayn do get a minor performance buff.https://serenesforest.net/three-houses/miscellaneous/adjutants/
>>740174992I reset if one of my good units die
>>740175664Wrong linkhttps://serenesforest.net/three-houses/miscellaneous/linked-attacks-gambit-boost/
>>740175492>Meaningless in a game where supports don't matterSupports guarantee recruitment, retard. You set an adjutant from another class to build support faster and get them after like two fights, without needing to spec Byleth into their desired traits, and also not wasting EXP by having them fight as an un-levelable temporary unit.>No they don't?lmao>Doesn't work similarly at all.Yes it does. You can't even argue that one.
>>740173908I'm still waiting for GBA/Tellus Rescue to come back.
>>740175961>Supports guarantee recruitment, retard.Only matters for Byleth, right? That's one minor benefit for one character when it's hugely important for literally everyone in Fates.>lmaoHow much strength and move does a wyvern adjutant give?>Yes it doesNo it doesn't I can't even see how you would think this unless you fundamentally misynderstand how guard gauge works.
>>740176115Same bro, same. I wish it had been in Engage.
>>740176115for me its ledges.
>>740176265>Only matters for Byleth, right?You're either intentionally being obtuse, or your mother is a heavy drinker.Adjutants build support for the lead, the backpack, and also Byleth if the adjutant is a temporary character. So you attach someone like Lysithea to a student that has a Lysithea support chain, do the level, which builds support with Byleth, and then recruit Lysithea.>How much strength and move does a wyvern adjutant give?It's based off of characters, dipshit. They have one of three roles, and that gives different stats. You know you're wrong, so you're moving goalposts.>No it doesn't I can't even see how you would think this unless you fundamentally misynderstand how guard gauge works.We've gotten to the point where your punctuation is gone and you're misspelling words.And you still aren't correct.Congratulations on losing the argument. Your prize is the continuation of your mediocrity!
>>740174992I prefer challenge runs to ironmans. characters dying and objectives being lost is too demotivating in some games
Is there even a single mechanic that RD improved upon from POR in the same way fates improved on awakening? It seems like its all just downgrades
>>740176757Gonna be honest I don't really care about recruitment meta since it's irrelevant for half of the game and not interesting at all like child mechanics and increasing pairup stats.>They have one of three roles, and that gives different stats.Ok what are the stats? I don't play 3H at all so I was under the impression that it gave nothing from what I remember of my playthrough. Enlighten me on these awesome bonuses.>We've gotten to the point where your punctuation is gone and you're misspelling words.You're wrong about guard gauge. Not sure what else to say. Maybe play Fates and see what a good system looks like.
>>740177193NTA but why are you debating about a game you know nothing about?
>>740177283I'm literally asking him to tell me what the pairup bonuses are and he is refusing to answer which makes me think my memory is correct.
>>740176829>I prefer challenge runsWhat kind of challenge runs have you completed>>740177186Laguz units, I guess.
>>740177402RMUS, oops all mounts, 0% growths
>>740177186>Is there even a single mechanic that RD improved upon from POREven despite the ability to just instantly dump not just an entire chapter's worth of regular XP but an additional dump of bonus XP into propromote units like titania, she still managed to fall off in the lategame and become merely very good instead of the balance-breaking juggernaut she was meant to be. RD fixes this by creating an optional third promotion tier for units that you dumped far too much experience into, making it so that titania continues to outscale the entire game.
Direct next weekwe're finally getting fortune's weave news!!
>>740176757>Adjutants build support for the lead, the backpack, and also Byleth if the adjutant is a temporary characterSource on the Byleth support? Seems weird that he gets support points for not being paired with them. I've never heard of this.
>>740177193>admits he doesn't know shit>keeps posting like he's not a retardRetard.
>>740177186Can't you not remove skills in PoR without losing them?
>>740177758Removing a skill in PoR makes it disappear forever, so you win!Depending on how you prefer to gain your stats, the BEXP level up system can be considered better in PoR.
>>740177741>Source on the Byleth support?I forget the term for them, but the temporary units you bring along give Byleth support when not an adjutant for him, which was the point I was making. They don't gain exp if deployed, so you are supposed to use them as adjutants, so that Byleth recruits them faster.
>>740177752Should be easy to school me, then? Why can you not answer the question about the awesome adjutant stat boosts?
>>740177739>Direct next week>we're finally getting fortune's weave news!!Can't wait for a one minute teaser and a vague release window of sometime in 2027
>>740177875You already got several answers and then either deflected or just said they don't count. I even pointed out how the stat boosts work, and you ignored it because you wanted it to be based on Wyvern reclasses.You already decided you won't be swayed, and have chosen to be wrong.
>>740173908Pairup turns 12 units into 6. Fates made it a bit better but still, backpack emblem is lame
>>740178054You literally haven't given one example of a stat boost other than "there's this one special combination that does something". So the general rule is that it gives no stats?
>>740177186I liked taking skills off bad units and loaning them to other armies. Coins were cool too. Quick combat after beating the game.otherwise....>hidden items>3 stat bexp levels>bexp locked behind hidden requirements and bexp to exp ratio was brutal>no support conversations>laguz constantly have to huff grass to stay transformed and no demi band>no equipable items in general>NO ENEMY RANGES??>weapon triangle removed on hard modeYeah the game was a downgrade in most areas now that I think about it
>>740177193>Ok what are the stats? From here: https://serenesforest.net/three-houses/miscellaneous/adjutants/>Unlike the old Pair Up system, Adjutants cannot swap positions with the host unit mid-battle and they do not provide any stat boosts for the host unit.So they don't provide stats>>740177850I'm not seeing anything for this on the above page. Someone on reddit claimed adjutants will gain support points with units adjacent to the unit they're glued to.
>>740178246>I'm not seeing anything for this on the above page.Because it's not from just adjutants. Like I said, I forgot the name, but there's a way to make a student from another class temporarily work with you. THEY automatically gain support with Byleth for being deployed, even as an adjutant.So the strat is to deploy them as an adjutant to not waste exp, to build support with their lead, and build support with Byleth.
Geneology
>>740178246>So they don't provide statsAmazing. I'm having to teach 3H fags how their game works almost a decade after playing it once and never looking at it again. Holy shit lmao.
>>740178356>>740178348>>740178246Linked AttacksThis is a slightly modified version of the “support bonus” system that has appeared in most Fire Emblem games to date.When a character engages an enemy, if there are allies that can target the same enemy from their current position, a linked attack will occur. This will boost the character’s Hit, Avoid and occasionally Might depending on the number of available allies (up to three) and their support levels.If a linked attack is possible, you will be able to tell during the combat forecast. Next to the character’s portrait, there will be up to three smaller portraits for the supporting allies. Also, the character’s Might, Hit and/or the enemy’s Hit values may be highlighted to indicate an increase/decrease.Notes:If the character has an Adjutant deployed, the Adjutant will count as an additional supporting ally, for a maximum number of four.If there are more than 3 allies that can target the same enemy, the game will prioritise the allies who are higher up the unit list (according to the battle preparations screen). Even if those allies have a lower support level.For example, if there are four allies with an A rank available, the combined Hit and Avoid boost would be +40.
>X is actually good because you can just reclass him to the same cookie cutter "good" build as Ypeople who make this argument should be publicly beaten
>>740178513So Adjutants do give stats, just with support partners.Got it.
>>740178513So we've went from Fates pairup stats to "you might get like 5 hit or something in this specific scenario on player phase". Delicious cope.
>>740177186Uh, everything? PoR sucks.
>>740178348I'm not finding anything about loan students giving bonus support points to Byleth on Serenes
Bexp was the best mechanic ever introduced in a fire emblem game because it incentivized playing the game quickly instead of being "efficient" with chip experience or turtling giving you a reward for the opportunity cost of getting less actions/turns to grind.All attempts to replicate it by other means like echoes group exp, fates chapter 16 gold reward, and the drill grounds have fallen flat on their face as dogshit mechanics.
>>740168997Outside Critger, Kagetsu and RD Mia/Zihark, they mostly suck. Kagetsu even gets the fuck out of that class as soon as possible.
>>740178948>fates chapter 16 gold rewardLiterally what is supposed to be wrong with this? 16 is a great map.
>>740178937Mission Assistance. It grants passive support points with Byleth whenever they're near, even as an adjutant.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHhBuDWd980
>>740178557I don't know what you're talking about. General sedgar? some horseman in fe12? sol ninja silas in birthright?
>>740178948>it incentivized playing the game quickly instead of being "efficient" with chip experienceBExp is practically non-existent in FE9 maniac, so this doesn't apply there.
>>740170439
>>740177186staff bonking
Fates Forging could be balanced by making you pay the cost of the duplicate weapons instead of using them. As it stands now, you can’t forge uniques and braves so they’re worse than forged normal weapons.
>>740179336>use staff with a sage>they cant use their tome on ep anymore for some reasonHorrific mechanic
Lissa
>>740179376You dont get it bro, you have to tape together 4 iron swords in a cross shape to make it do 2 more damage. Sharpening it wont work
>>740179376Paying an extra 8k for 2 mt on a brave would be a massive scam unless you needed that to one round Takumi or something
>>740178948They should bring this back in FW
>>740179141>Within two tiles of BylethSo, same as for anyone else. It's not Byleth specific, hat guy is just talking specifically about recruiting people, and you only do that based on Byleth supports
>>740179010Swordmasters are good in DS FE. Samurai is a top tier class set in Fates.
>>740179512I’m obviously forging SIEGFRIED and BRYNHILDR and YATO and the random weps like the umbrella, SIR
>>740179010I took Kagetsu as a SM to endgame. Never stopped being good. Could he have been better? Yeah. But it was my first playthrough and he fuckin' ruled
>>740179443yeah why do weapons just disappear from existence when you forge them? never thought about this
>>740179639>Samurai is a top tier class set in Fates.Yeah if you're a crown prince of either kingdom with a laser sword
>FE>FWWe're gonna get FM and F3 at some point
>>740179634I feel like you've just been ignoring my posts the entire time. That's what I've always been saying.Why wouldn't you have your units near Byleth, anyways? Byleth's passive grants nearby allies more exp. Did you play the game wrong on purpose?
Infantry Swordsmen are fine in 2/3 but there's no real split Swordmaster has good stats in 4 but movement cucks them.They're alright in 5.They're good in 6.Guy's combat isnt bad in 7 but he has no 1-2 range, so he can never escape mid. Same story for Joshua. Marisa, Karel and Karla are all bad Stefan is mid in 9, the others suck.SM is good again in 10. This continues in SD and NM.Myrmidon exists in Awakening but more of a pair up slut class.Samurai is a good class set in Fates.Skip EchoesMost sword classes in 3H stink and they for some stupid reason got cucked out of good combat arts. Its just the magic swords + windsweep.SM is a strictly worse Griffin in Engage lmaoWhat will FW bring?
>>740179909>>740176757>Adjutants build support for the lead, the backpack, and also Byleth if the adjutant is a temporary characterYour initial claim read to me like you were saying Mission Assistance students got some special passive gain with Byleth specifically.
>>740179376I don't see how that would change anything. Would you blow 16000 gold on a brave+1?The issue is that a +3 bronze is far superior to a steel or silver for the same price. You can forge those but it's not worth it.>>740179670siegfried is already good. brynhildr would need to be dirt cheap to forge since fire+3 only costs 4000 gold
>>740179789No. Samurai is a top tier class set because it offers multiple strong skills. Odin/Ophelia would be significantly worse if they lost Samurai.
>>740180086Yeah I misread your post and thought you were saying swordmaster was a good class in Fates. The skills are good, but the classes aren't ones you want to actually be in unless you have a laser sword.
>>740180086>Swordmaster skills are good>Swordmaster is goodTwo VERY different statements, anon
Shut up bronzeschizo
>>740179639What do you use swordmasters for in fe11? seems kinda bad to meIn fe12 levin swordmasters are useful in a couple scenarios and you might reclass a unit to swordmaster near the end, but if you have the stats for it you'll skip over swordmaster and use the significantly better class, horseman.and in fates it's something you might suffer through for the sake of skills, unless you have a special 1-2 range sword
Cutesythea
>>740180012I will apologize but also say fuck you.
>>740180425Auto C Swords, an absolutely massive 13 base speed on speed creep difficulties, etc.
>>740136737Gilliam Fancyson
>>740180520I thought you knew of hidden ancient tech, I just wanted to confirm it was real, no bulli
>>740180563The levin sword meme started in 11 too.
>>740180580Gilliam Wallace
I’m going through grief withdrawal since the relays are dead
>>740180983literally play a relay chapter you fucking baby. you guys always cry and beg instead of just playing the game
>Would be fixed by D/C in clubsI've always been able to intellectually understand every complaint about Rinkah even when I think they're overblown, except this one.A brass club has 1 less mt and 10 more hit than an iron club. It's the BETTER weapon. Rinkah is fighting fucking Dark Mages at WTD in the prologue. She joins at Chapter 4. Corrin joins Chapter 1 also with E rank. And people are used to dealing with E ranks much later in the game as units start to promote.Nigga, they didn't build her wrong. They gave her the best-in-slot weapon for what she is expected to fight in the upcoming maps and assumed players could put up with the measly 20 battles to get to D. 20 battles is like, half of Mozulogue from absolute zero. This is assuming you do nothing for her at all in prologue and Chapter 7, which she dominates.It's just such a nothingburger issue. I can't remember the last time I even bought an iron club in BR but throwing club is nice I guess.
>>740181047>>740174676
Hakumen
>>740181047Scrimblotard
>>740181339Fates is the scrimbloing game. Theres more resources and choices to pour into units than all 3 gba games combined
>>7401739083H has adjutants and Engage has Chain Attacks and Chain Guards. They've been keeping the mechanic alive, just iterating on it.
>>740180563Enemies in fe11 are usually pretty slow. Dracoknights and heroes don't have problems. The only time I can think of that a swordmaster is useful is if you're trying to kill the dragon in front of medeus.>>740180623it's weaker in fe11 and javelins are stronger
>>7401814433H also had those chain attack things with gambits.
>>740181047it's annoying that she can't use ranged weapons when she rejoins in chapter 9 rev>NiggaKill yourself, nigger.
how much do you value 1-2 range? which would you rather have on your skullfucker?>tyrfing (30 mt, +10 skill, +10 speed, +20 res, prayer)>siegfried (11 mt, +10 crit evade, +4 def)
>>740181873She can if you're not a retarded chimp like yourself and train her in the prologue. You might be the nigger if these obvious facts need to be explained to you.
>>740182075>just scrimblo her!!!!Scrimblotards are so stupid
>>740182220>uh, train my units? I'd rather be an enormous fatass on 4chan instead and fail at everythingSuit yourself, bub
>>740182058I would obviously rather have +19 might, 10 speed, 10 skill, 20 res, and prayer than 10 crit evade, 4 def, and 2 range
>>740159521The only cap ive seen matter was the berserker dex cap for Panette. Maybe theres others but nothing came up in my most recent playthrough
>>740168997Myrms in the Kaga games like Shiva and Shigen from TRS can be good
>>740180010>Stefan is mid in 9, the others suck.Stefan will easily get his ass blown up because of his terrible 5 base luck. How many times has that happened to the bald fuck? Trained Mia and Zihark beat the shit out of Stefan.
I'm so horny!
ohhh BROTHERRRRR. she forgot she had other stats to level up
>>740182543Who actually cares about icons in PoR? Mia and Zihark require way more effort to match what Stefan offers at base in terms of combat.
SOMEONE PLAY THE RELAY FOR ME I WANT TO INSULT YOU EVERY POST AND THEN VETO YOU
>>740182683Shanna is the reincarnation of Caeda
PoR is one letter off from poor because you're too poor to buy it.
>>740182543Mia is gutter trash who doesn't catch base Stefan's base offense until level 20/15
>>74018268322 years and we still have not found a use for a trained thany
Engage = ScVi3H=SwShEchoes=SMFates=XYAwakening=BW
>>740183336Engage was more like the fire red leaf green re-release actually because it was a return to form for the series
>character is over averages>"That's not proof of anything">character is below averages>"HOOOOLY WHAT A SHITTER"
>>740183336This one is a total miss, sorry.
His support shield move puts battles on baby mode and comes close to breaking the game.
Awakening = Star FoxFates = Star Fox 64Echoes = Star Fox 64 3D3H = Star Fox ZeroEngage = Star Fox(2026)
>>740183336Fates = 4U3h = worldEngage = RiseFw = mildsShadows = mhGO
>>740183709>Awakening = Star FoxFalls apart at the beginning because literally no one played OG Star Fox.
Awakening = WWFates = TPEchoes = SS3H = BotWEngage = Echoes of WisdomFE = TotK
>>740183709Awakening = PikminFates = Pikmin 2Echoes = Pikmin 33H = Hey! PikminEngage = Pikmin 4
>>740183709>no star fox 2
>>740183985
>>740184160>NSO FE1
Awakening is old as fuck now. From awakening to now is longer than the moon landing to the pyramids
>>740182543>Caring about PoR critsHe's just going to dodge the hits to begin with, dingus
>Awakening>Fates>Echoes>3H>EngageAll shit.
>>740184279My grandpa used to tell me stories about Chrom
FE died with teulis
>>740184021My cute wife!
Gilliam won
>>740183115Anal
sex with madeline armor on
>>740183336>>740183709>>740183935>>740183784>>740184123Literally all misses
>>740185182second round is with armor off though
Eirika ring stays on during sex
>>740134904Being able to throw your units into the enemy without ever checking their weapons and stats is way better than anything else
Awakening = SMT IVFates = SMT IV: ApocalypseEchoes = Strange Journey Redux3H = Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FEEngage = SMT V
>>740185456Almost perfect but 3H has to be Persona 5.
>>740182058Siegfried for FE10 and earlier, Tyrfing for FE11 onwards.
>>740185515Shit you're right
>>740185407Makes me move my hips twice as fast
evil micaiah stays on during masturbation
evil micaiah be like "I like older men"
evil lyn be like "I am a good and reliable unit"
Figlio
>>740186594https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/738543775/#738562576Thats just regular lyn though
>>740186672The internet is gonna be angry as fuck if this is true.
>>740186672Like yeah, this is what I want. But (lol if true.
>>740171770love how even though most monster class ups are just recolors, Mauthe Doog gets two more heads and makes you think he'll rip you a new one when you encounter one the first time like you're fighting a cerberus mini boss
>>740186747>emblems supposedly have no physical presence>Lyn can shoot Morion>Marth can help Alear up
anilingus with...
>>740186924Their weapons are clearly physical and real
>>740186672No way this will happen. They already tried it before and it backfired
>>740185456Engage and SMT V really are basically mirrors of each other. Very refined gameplay fucked up by a single mechanic, and a trash story. We just need an SMT Vengeance for FE.
>>740187135>this is what prince alcryst sees every knight before kneeling and apologizing for not having as big of a cock as diamantlucky bastard
>>740187052Then why don't they interact with things with their weapons? If that was the only way I could interact with things, I'd be holding doors open for people all the time and shit.It always made more sense that the "coordinated attacks" were just an illusion. Like Marth isn't actually attacking there, his visual swings are just timed with Alear's, who are real. Which is also how it works in combat.The only exception to this was Lyn shooting Morion. Even during the paralogues, they state the places they fight at are weird and attuned somehow.
>>740187238>he thinks Engage has paired endingsLaugh at this man.>>740187219>ClairNice.
>>740187219Sex
>>740187357uhm actually chud, there are paired endingshttps://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/12g4q0n/fire_emblem_engage_didnt_give_us_paired_endings/
>>740187479>Louis watching men instead of womenI'm not reading that.
>>740187479papyrus font located
>>740180010>Skip EchoesThis is by far the single best game for the swordfighter class though.
https://gaymingmag.com/2023/02/fire-emblem-engage-needed-paired-endings/
>>740187693kys
Would prince kurt be a swordmaster or a mortal savant?
>>740187749Lord
>>740187693Live
>>740187479>Timerra x Anna
>>740187749Anal-only slut.
>>740187693These people are gonna go crazy for the next nintendo direct
>>740187238>sees every knightArmor brained
>>740186594That’s just regular Lyn. She’s carried two Mangs Ironmans in a row
>>740187287Then how come ike can blow up that castle in his paralogue?? Then how come Marth is able to clash at 16 seconds?
>>740188390Ironmans*
>>740188436framme pitjobs
>>740187287IIRC, they can only fully manifest in the Somniel and the paralogue locations for reasons you already mentioned. I assume they're able to interact with doors in the Somniel but choose not to.
>>740188436>Then how come ike can blow up that castle in his paralogue??Did you read the last sentence of my post?I've done that before, where I didn't finish reading.
>>740188757>IIRC, they can only fully manifest in the SomnielNah, they can't. They can just wander freely, away from their rings.It's only Askr that lets them fully manifest, where they can touch people for the first time, where they can even eat things and taste them.Yes, Heroes did drop quite a bit of lore for Engage. Did you know Veyle has a twin, and it's the other Veyle, and they share one body?
>>740188727Based.
>>740188843>spoilerWait, what the fuck?
>>740187219
>>740182058Give me Myrrh's Dragonstone. 16 MT that is effectively 48 MT against the majority of enemies you see late game. On top of that you also get 12 STR, 12 SKL, 15 DEF, and 20 RES.
>>740188843>I knew the answer, I just chose to pretend to be retarded
>>740188932Yep. Nel says it in her My Castle lines.>>740188978Did you respond to the right post? Or did you misread "Askr" as "The Somniel?" Because Heroes deconfirms what you said.
>>740188932Found it. It's her first castle line.
>>740188954If we're just picking the strongest weapons in the series you can do much better than that
>>740189148So both Veyles are real, then that means we had to literally kill the evil out of her?
>>740188943Panties?
>>740189148How could that be referring to veyle? Clearly its talking about alear
My daughter drew someone familiar in her coloring book
>>740189259I wish the game let you play as full blue hair or full red hair Alear.
>>740189190Hat stays ON during beatings and cbt
>>740189190There are better Frammes to post.
>>740189070You posed a question, I answered it, and then your correction to my answer answered your original question. Hence my "you pretended to be retarded"
>>740188843>>740189148Isn't this the plot of the movie Malignant?
>>740189474The only questionmark in that post is for a rhetorical question, idiot.
>>740140623>there are so called good players that cant make use of celine but SWEAR lapiss is good
>>740190193>high cut panties out of the pantsNeed more FE girls like that.
>>740190193Framme...
>pit talk makes me want to look up mia on r34>those first three artworkswhat the fuck is wrong with tellius fans
>>740134904For me it has to be the Pegasus Knights. Iron man exclusively now and they always feel like shit to train, shit to use, and if they get coughed on by anyone they instantly fucking die. Feels bad man. Pic 1000% related.
>>740191403Oops
>>740191403I just like units with big speed stats and mounts
>>740191403Pegasus knights are better the better you are. If you're getting them killed it's because you're on the other end of the curve.
>>740191617What is the use case outside of dodge tanking sword wielders and picking off mages? (Map Objectives already are achievable regardless of fliers). I normally just use the Christmas Cavs to get the job done quicker and easier.
i wish she was a better unit
>>740190919In their gallery it looks like that's the only time they've used a Tellius character.Looks more like a Fates and 3H fan to me.
>>740191989She already recruits said better unit
>>740191989>20 spd>6 str>6 defOh my gah, it's Kaga Lyn
>>740191905Rescue dropping and killing units that footies can't reach. They tend to have pretty good stats, too, and can make up for a lower strength stat by equipping stronger weapons and doubling.
>>740192081yeah and then shigen shows her up even more when you enter holmes route. julia and xeno get shafted so much by being just normal myrms next to the myrms with "can't die lol" prfs
I wish I was a better unit.
>>740191617Most of them just arent good statblocks and the fact they get there first isnt worth the fact they lose just as many turns failing to kill units
>>740192307They can literally carry whoever you want with them lol
>>740192179Hm... Maybe i'll give them a shot next time I play. But if they die from some shitty RNG, I WILL be coming to your house to hand you a very, VERY strongly worded letter.
>>740192000fucking CHECKED and im not skimming through 18 pages of cockvore archives to figure out which fanbase this mentally ill person belongs to
>>740192453>cockvore archives
pegaslut RAPE
>>740192548-mages. its true
>>740187206>Very refined gameplay fucked up by a single mechanic,what mechanic? engage seems damn near perfect to me
man the fe fan base is so weird to me everyone considers 3h and awakening the best but I just cant see it
>>740192453>cockvore archivesI'll stick to Heroes, thanks.
>>740192257IIRC Julia gets Anti Evil + Astra
weed makes me hornyyyy
>>740192934I was gonna say who the fuck are you talking about, but then i remembered not4chan
>>740192431A funny thing about Shanna is her speed and luck are so high that axenigs cannot even hit her after she promotes. With an iron sword and WTA she'll have about 70 avoid against them at like 15/2, and the highest hit a steel axe or hand axe fighter at that point in the game can roll is 74 (they average below 70).
Awakening if it was good:
>>740193571Bro. How do I get out of being a level 20 promo goon? I just CAN'T promo someone until they reach 20. Why am I like this?
>>740193890Grimer is our word, you can use grima
>>740193890but seriously why couldn't I change my skin color?
>>740193890This really weaves my fortunes.
>>740193890>leftWould
>>740194085Why do you want to get out of doing it right?
>>740194151IS had to take until 2021 to realize that brown people play video games too
>>740194085Just think to yourself, "when was the last time I reached 20/20 and wished I had more levels to grow?" The answer is probably never unless you are doing degenerate grinding like arena and boss abuse.
>>740194514When do you normally promo your units? Does it depend on their bases? Do you usually wait to max out a stat or two?
>>740194669It greatly depends on the unit. There's really no hard rule, but having a capped stat is usually a good sign that you should be promoting. Many units don't have lopsided growths and won't cap anything. You just have to assess how useful it'd be to have the promotion now, and the answer to sooner or later is almost always sooner.
>>740194424For me, it's Purple Kiran.Though I play as male hoodie Kiran.
>>740194867I feel like the sooner vs later debate depends on one thing that really doesn't get talked about that much.Are you resetting for deaths? Or are you ironmanning it? If you're resetting them feel free to goon to level 20 20. It may cost you a few resets but you'll have a better unit at the end of it all. If you're not resetting them consider promoting earlier so you can have more safety for the run, especially if there are upcoming scary chapters with specific stat benchmarks you need to meet.
>>740195141>It may cost you a few resets but you'll have a better unit at the end of it allI don't see what the point is? They probably won't even be better since even when I promote early it's rare that I ever cap levels. I promoted this Shanna on chapter 8x and she's level 17 after I've already beaten Zephiel. If anything promoting earlier made her better because she has B swords and has been spamming killing edges. I don't think promoting super late is actually even beneficial longterm.
>You don't understand mom!>I >HAVE< to promote my units before 20 so I can be cool and hardcore like my streamer hero!
>>740195437
>>740195437*cockvores u*
early promoters never hit 20/20 because they feed all of their exp to prepromotes
>>740195671My Melady is actually a lower level. Same with Perceval. Lance is my highest level character not counting Yoder and Niime for obvious reasons.
>>740195474Depends on the game for me. Some I promote at 10, some I got to like 19. It really just depends on the benefits the game has for staying or promoting.
>>740177186>Is there even a single mechanic that RD improved upon from POR in the same way fates improved on awakening? It seems like its all just downgradesI like the general balance a lot better. I even like the support system, since I can switch them around and use different pairings. I don't remember if PoR had the elevation bonus, but the defence maps were a lot of fun in RD. Skills seem more fun to fiddle with.
Mia is for loving pitjobs
>>740195875And battle saves were a good addition.
>>740195915I didn't know she worked in Nascar.
>>740195871>Depends on the gameGaiden/Echoes, 20-cap games, and Awakening/Engage are the early promote games. It's also okay to early promote a filler unit, though I consider that a waste of a promo item.
>>740196143Yeah, that's basically how I do it. Then in games like Sacred Stones, it depends on the character. Like the second L'arachel hits 10, I promote her so she can level faster by using tomes to fight.
>>740193890@grok Make them ginger too please
There has literally never been a real tactical reason to promote at max level ever. Deep down you all know you do it because you like seeing the level up screen.
>>740196516Depending on the game, levels can happen faster before promotion. So in those games, it can be better to wait a little bit to grind a few more levels faster.
>>740196516i just do it because I have fomo
engage did it right by tying EXP to internal level so you can just throw the promotions on asap
>>740196698>seals are only in the menus, so you can promote mid-mapNah. Other games had internal levels, too. And they let you carry seals.
>>740196516>real tactical reasonYeah, it's called not tanking their exp gain. Early promoters are just hylics that can't understand delayed gratification.
>>740135428Did you know that she's stat for stat worse than Sakura? If you make Sakura an Oni Chieftain she outpowers Rinka without needing to play around the passive
>>740196774*can'tWhoops.
>>740196516There are pbly 3 master seals in PoR
>>740196805>it's called not tanking their exp gain>you like seeing the level up screen
>>740196805>it's called not tanking their exp gain.that doesnt matter because you are now immediately stronger and often times have access to better weapons. theres no point in having a worse unit for a couple chapters when you most likely wont even hit 20 on promote
>>740196516>insta promote your juggernaut and end up with a retarded gimped unit because the frogposter on 4chan said soretard.
>>740196815>just make sakura an oni chieftain bro
>>740196698The games where promoting ASAP is a no brainer are boring. I like it when you at least have to make a decision between more possible level up gains or getting the advantages of promotion earlier.
Bros is it over for him? I promoted early and I think I need to bench...
>>740196516Starting a refried argument at the end of the thread is bold.
>>740197050>12 luckIt's over, man. Off to the bench.
>>740196774What's so special about being able to promote mid-map?
>>740196906>you most likely wont even hit 20 on promoteIf you make it to 20/11+, then you would've fucked yourself out of levels by early promoting. My main units routinely break 20/11.
>>740197156Early promoting doesn't mean promoting exactly at 10, dumbass. Why are you trying to pretend 10 or 20 are like the only options?
>>740195437>>740195475
>>740197104>units that you want to gain an extra level on (be it someone at 9 hitting 10, or 19 hitting 20) can promote without waiting an entire map>this also means they won't waste exp or stand around like a lemon>some games give them canto or an entire extra action for promoting like this, letting you tactically maneuver them in a once-per-character strategy>some games sell seals in secret shops mid-map, so this lets you promote fasterFor example, I promoted my Amelia to Paladin on Ch 19 the other day. She had hit 20, so I gave her the member card and silver card, she ran to the secret shop, bought the seal, promoted herself, and then canto'd back to the fight.
>>740197267All of this just sounds like impatience. Would it really be a big deal to just wait until the next preparations screen to promote?
>>740196815She ends up -6 skl, -4 def, and like the same speed and res by endgame. Her magic and HP are better, but Rinkah is fine with these after a robe, a couple dusts, and Diviner skills from Orochi. Their strength is like the same with FB active but Chieftains don't really use physical attacks much.I never really got this meme. You're going to make a weak staff bot a Chieftain? Instead of just using the one you got, or even Hayato?
>>740197023Just marry Corrin. You can have 2, potentially 3 rinkahs all with their own horse spirits
>>740162019I think you've been mathing in the lab a bit too much. What Ryoma ACTUALLY is a huge ball of stats that arrives halfway through the game for no real cost.I find it weird you neglect to mention other things that are unique to Ryoma such as the fact that his class gives strong bonuses to avoid and crit, a weapon that gives further avoid. Like, avoid is a very strong form of defense that is more or less unique to him thanks to the traits of Rajinto and his class. While it's not wrong that Kaze (saizo is dogshit) can have all those traits he'll never match Ryoma's Atk and speed without some serious steroids that you can give to Ryoma instead. Similarly Odin can reach high crit rate with Mjölnir he gets penalties in avoid for that and if you want defense and give him Nosferatu he will lose his offenses and crit.It's objectively a complete waste of resources tyring to turn other characters into discount Ryoma when you have Ryoma. What makes birthright boring is how centralizing he is to the team
>>740197378>wanting to play the game is "impatience"Retard.
>>740192257vega is the best. his sword is great at killing stuff, especially monsters, while shigen's just keeps himself alive
>>740197498What the hell does that mean? How are you not playing the game? Are you going schizo on me?
>>740197456No I've actually tried what I am describing. It works. Sorcerer grants the same crit bonus as Swordmaster, and Mjolnir grants way more crit than Raijinto.I explicitly argued that Ryoma is unique in that he's "free." You're reiterating what I said - other units can match his performance, he's just free. He's not special beyond being pre-trained.>give him Nosferatu>Saizo is dogshitokay you're just being retarded
>>740197619A unit that hits 20 is just going to waste any exp they gain until promoting.So I can either promote them now, or promote them later.You're saying I should not be allowed to promote them now, because of some made up ideology that nobody but you cares about.
>>740195474>>740195671Why are early promoting haters scared to look people in the eye and reply directly and also feel the need to use bad faith arguments???
im good enough at playing the game that i dont need to early promote
>>740197710>im good enough at playing the gameThe relay results say, that is a lie.
>>740197689>>740197710Like this for example? Are early promoting chads really that scary that they can't look us in the eye and have to mumble at their feet?I don't think we're that scary.
>>740197686>if I'm not gaining exp, I'm not playing the gameAre you retarded? Are you not playing the game when you're Jeigan gets kills in early-game?
>>740197806Nobody uses Jegans. They use Oifeys.
>>740197689>YOU HAVE TO QUOTE SOMEONE OR IT DOESN'T COUNTI wasn't replying to anyone's posts though.
not even that same anon, was just giving my opinion, and still not giving you a (you)
>thread almost overHave a Cheeto-dust goddess.
>>7401973974 defense is nothing since you have more HP you can bloat defenses in this game. >I never really got this meme. I mean, so is pushing an axe user into a mage, but whatever. Like you need to roid up Rinkah with spirit dusts, robes and toss her into a magical class to get skills, yet you draw the line at making Sakura go through similar loops?It's brithright, it's a casual game, no need to have a stick up your ass.
Mia looks weird!
>>740197050No spare energy ring friend? This is a less than desirable Lance. Maybe think of him as a souped up Marcus lol.
>>740198001>Mia if she lord>Mia if she better
>>740197267why wait for level 20? Chapter 19 in SS is like the one chapter before the end.Unless you plan to creature campaign all the way through, there's no reason not to promote everyone at 10.
>>7401979894 defense is huge. Chieftains take a lot of punishment and it only takes 3 hits for it to add up to 12 extra damage - more than the HP difference.And I'm not saying you can't do what is fun for you. Fates is all about that. It's just that the notion that it's somehow more "logical" or less effort is absurd.
>>740197967>western art
>>740198085I don't know what blatantly lying is supposed to prove.
>>740197989You have to spend your corrin marriage on a hoshidan class moron
make sure you get your villagers to lvl20 in fe2 before you promoteand you should max your level in fe4 before you promote anyone
>>740197684I have no doubt that it works. It's just that it's very inefficient to do so. Yeah the ninja who's only good trait is being a ninja is a dogshit unit. He doesn't evenKagero has high attack which can let you kill things other units can't. Kaze has absurd speed and res that make him a unique mage killer without even needing a pair up or a setup.Saizo hardly has good HP, doesn't have good defense, doesn't have good attack, he has absolutely nothing to his name. He is only "good" becaus he starts in a wonderful class.
>>740197050>early promoted>beating his 20/16 averages in a few statsHow much rigging?
>>740196953>end up with a retarded gimped unitYou mean like what happens every relay when we're bringing full unpromoted armies into the mid-late game and get fucked because of it because of your illogical impulses?
fire emblem backrooms collab when
>>740198259You'd have to spend your deployment slot on Rinkah otherwise. Same shit
>>740198259Or marry her to Hayato. Which brings up problems of its own and makes you wonder why not use Hayato, who can natively be a Chieftain, if you want to scrimblo so hard.Idk, more Chieftains is never bad in Birthright, I just think people make too big a deal out of the differences sometimes. Even Orochi's fat ass makes a good Chieftain cuz she can dump everything into speed and nuke Sorcerers with Horse Spirit.
>>740197689>>740198302
Everyone shut up, dani doyle is streaming
>>740196953I assure you anon. You weren't gonna get any better than one dragon herb across those 3 levels from 17 to 20.
>>740198370I'm pretty sure I gave him an angelic robe and a dracoshield and promoted at like 15 which would make him average in everything but skill. So believe I rigged for skill levels if you wish.
>>740198456Actually no, thinking on it, that doesn't work lol. She doesn't have the Diviner version of Onmyoji. Cuckura more like it.
>>740197689>>740198230Look at this pussy not replying to a post
>>740198460i'm addressing everyone at once and I'm not going to reply to every post
>>740198394>blaming the units>not the playerThese games can be completed with 0% growths. It's not the units' fault.
>>740198227It helps compartmentalize. Everyone always cums themselves when speaking of Jagens in these games and Jagens fucking blow in my opinion. Your Lance is objectively better than anything Marcus could ever become, so don't think of him as a lost cause, he is still useful.
>>740198394We have never once lost a relay to an honest attempt
>>740198625I don't think level 16 paladin lance is going to carry him through the first few chapters of the game
>>740198358It is not that hard to do. It's just a variation on the LaD gigakill memebuild that goes online way sooner. It's literally just a Ryoma palette swap that you put some effort into.I'm not going to tell what you what you should and shouldn't do. But the point is, if you're still thinking the big bros are the only good 1-2 range godtanks in Fates in 2026, you're being obtuse. There's too many guides and videos proving the opposite at this point.
>>740198161Promotions give stat boosts, bro.
>>740198394fir needed that hp and luck
>>740197413>promoting incestWhat is this, Fire Emblem?
>>740198189I usually post the eastern ones, so I thought I'd mix it up a little. I like the thicc lips on that one.
Where's the porn
>>740198823>page 8
hag pregnant bush op please
>>740198189>gets good art>bitches that it's not drawn from the gaijin paradise of edoPick up your pen and do something better then, madame art critic
>>740198764This and Thea were the funniest late promotard fail of any of the runs, honestly. The extra funny thing about Fir was when I played 16 I had both her and Rutger fielded, and our below-average Rutger was actually more consistently one-rounding since Fir got her speed capped to 20 for several chapters and couldn't double shit with anything heavy after promoting.
I love the fire emblem!
>>740198867This but heavily pregnant creampie
>>740198662Such cope. Killer javelin?
>>740198884TITFUCK
>>740198718I find hilarious how you find reclassing the unit to get a level 15 promoted skill, which happens literally at the final chapter of the game, a negligible investment.If it doesn't work halfway through the game it never worked. Period. Nobody cares about how good a unit is at Endgame
>>740198879unpromoted thea saved us from a game over by baiting bolting away from miledy
>>740199008>Nobody cares about how good a unit is at the hardest part of the game I bought the bait
>>740199008What in the FUCK are you talking about? Seriously? Do you think Vantage and Astra are level 15 skills???You can have the build I am talking about operational by Chapter 16! That is a way it in which it is better than the LaD memebuild!I feel like you're reading half of what I'm saying. Slow down and chew your food, nigger, it's just a few sentences.
>>740199114I want to lick that
>>740199157Is this Nyx AI?
>>740199310
>>740199008anon's strategy is to proc astra and/or crit to one-shot enemies without needing LaD. Genius, really. It's literally the same as long as it works.
>all these people talking about minmaxing stats in fates.So I take it you guys are forging Bronze Swords endlesslyCooking in the mess hall every chapter for specific statsMarrying units you're not deploying.Care to tell me, how are you doing that with Online functions dead?You wouldn't perhaps be cheating your resources, right?You know savestates, cheats, hex manipulation, mods, all of those are illegal. Right?
>>740199401>You wouldn't perhaps be cheating your resources, right?What would building supports even have to do with castle resources? Huh?
>>740199376>caps Speed easily>has absolutely abysmal Res
fates relay next thread
>>740199401you can gather resources from your own castle every four maps. exchange ore five-for-one. fight in the arena to get more materials.Forged bronze weapons are still overpowered without online/cheats (not worth it with swords though)
anal sex next thread
No mental illness next thread
>>740199054>the hardest part of the gameIn conquest it's literally the easiest since chapter 27 is just a few fights and 28 is ez warp skipBirthright endgame tou can literally just walk to the boss and kill it. Chapter 27 is just a bunch of mooks, the only hard part is remembering the 4 Berserker that suddenly decided to have skills.The hardest part of the game isn't where you have the most weapons, staves, facilities, stat boosters, and your 14 deployable units are each nukes of their own that can blow battles into pieces. The hardest part of the game is the middle and early game where you have the lesst resources and backup plans.
>>740199376QUESTION ALL THATS KNOWN
>>740198709Of course he isn't a carry. This Lance is more of a supporting unit. Like Marcus. But souped up.
>>740199796You get level 15 promoted skills by like ch 24 in conquest.
>>740199616Unlikely>>740199658Very likely>>740199749Impossible
>>740199401Logbook
>>740199579
>>740198879>with anything heavyWhy would you need to use shitty heavy weapons when she has rank? Killing edge and silver aren't heavy.
>>740199840do you just not get paralogs or something?
>>740200000
FE buttholes
>>740200000Checked and wdym? I get paralogues. If you want a particular lvl 15 promoted skill you can get it a couple chapters earlier if you use those since the non-exclusive ones for Conquest have higher level enemies.
>>740200059Me on the left
>>740200096both are (you) though
>>740200131You on the right
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