How did John Warhammer of videogames become John Warhammer face of the tabletop?How powerful is John Warhammer?
>>740148859I think he is neat, but I am the minority probably
He's just that cool.I do like how the Black Legion Chaos Marine designs in this were the ones in the new 40k edition trailer.reminds me of way back when when Dawn of War 1 had enourmous influence over the look of the tabletop and even lead to new rules, space marines being able to use thunder hammers outside of terminator armour, because it was deemed that fuken sik.
>>740151215It also lead to one of the many "literal who" chapters that gets made to show off a bunch of color schemes getting a lot of background lore and becoming fairly well known for a time.
>>740151289Blood ravens weren't a literal who chapter, they were oc ///your dudes/// that relic made which is even more of the spirit of old40k
Modern 40k is pretty much just an edge-cringe version of the MCU with a militaristic backdrop. It's all about primarch this and chapter master that and quirky meme characters like Mephiston and Asmodai.For GW the more milkable characters they can put out, the better. And Titus fits into that well.
>>740148859John Warhammer will appear on the big screen too
>>740148859I just don't get the popularity of the space marine games, they're decent but they're also so short that it hardly matters and the multiplayer is shit and dead
>>740152058Space marine 2 is all about the co-op multiplayer mode (i forget the name of which)Its basically 3rd person vermintide but rather than randomized gear you pick specific stuff to upgrade
>>740148859>ip whose entire reach and popularity is thanks to white males that got slopped to shit by pseudo-progressives introduces cool white male character who immidiately surges in success to become the new face of the ipWeird how that works, almost like stuff could be always cool and successful instead of lame and gay for a worthless parasite audience.
>>740151931Will he be a primarch?>>740152058I got SM2 for something like 15 bucks and played the hell out of It. Its well worth It.
Do space marines even have individual characters? Sure, there are some who are more and some who are less autistic about fighting (they all are still autistic) but all their defining traits seem to be daddy issues.
>>740151524They were one of the various random chapters shown in the (then) recent 4th edition Space Marine codex. This was back when you could choose custom special rules for your dudes to really make them stand out from other SM armies in general. Of course this was also when every single unit had well over a dozen or more possible wargear options compared to modern 40k which seems to hate giving players too much choice at all.
>>740152878Amongst chapters not really, but comparing two different chapters is night and dayFor example, Salamanders love their human bros and will always try to limit human casultiesWhereas the black templars would use schoolchildren as human shields, then genetically screen any survivors and send ones that can handle their gene seed to forced breeding camps
>>740148859>John WarhammerYou're not funny
>>740153097And that's why the latter are more based.
>>740152878Like 90% of Space Marine characters are just Space Hero Action Man, with the underlying 'heroic' theme to show that they totally aren't bad guys even though the Imperium is evil.It's all for marketing. GW wants the Imperium to be evil to keep the 'grimdark' moniker but also wants Marines to be heroic so they can keep selling Marine models to little Timmy.
Warhammer is very cool in concept and lore, but I tried to watch a tabletop game and its just dudes with dices and metric tapes. That contrast is too funny to me.
>>740153180What did you expect a tabletop game to be?
>>740151931Its going to be hilarious if this ends up being a turd and flops. I don't want it to. But after all the gigachad gamer memes, and how him being a fan is soooooo good for the movie, and how involved he is... Christ, the nerds would keep the salt mines overflowing. Would be funny as fuck.
>>740153180That's what StarCraft is for. Granted the only way to experience Warhammer power levels is to play as Tycus in co-op and fight Zerg.
>>740153180To be fair, I think the main draw is actually painting the figurines. The whole thing would probably work much better as a computer game
>>740153237>That's what StarCraft is forFunny you should say that.
>>740153169The Imperium would be evil to our morals. The Imperium is objectively good for humanity in the insanity that is Warhammer.
>>740153204I dont know man, its just funny that all the setting, lore-autism is just for a neckbeard with a ruler pretend that his little figurine did something
>>740153368>The Imperium is objectively good for humanity in the insanity that is Warhammer.No it's not. The best situation a Human can hope for in 40k is to be on some backwarer in Damocles where the Imperium barely does more than send a tax collector every few years to get a Tithe. The Imperium is specifically heinous and evil beyond justification, with many of their actions actually serving to fuel Chaos indirectly rather than fight it.
>>740153169>>740153368 Yeah the option to the "evil imperium of Man" is being totally wiped by space demons. Thats leftist thinking.
>>740153490You will never be a woman.
>>740153509>Thats leftist thinking.Bro who the fuck do you think made 40k?
>>740153160Considering in lore the only astartes to match abbadon in single combat is sigismund itbreally is true
>>740153180Actually playing the game (or at least Warhammer Fantasy, I don't play 40k despite also having models for it) is a lot of fun. You can't understand it by just watching someone else play. When those models on the table are your models, when you give them all names, when the dice you roll determine their fate and you really get invested in what's going on, it's very enjoyable.
>>740153490The justification is that without the Imperium, humanity would've long gone extinct either from the ruinous powers of Chaos or from alien threats of which there are many and all of them don't care at all about human life. The setting literally justifies the existence of the Imperium because of how amazingly awful everything within it is. Going full retard commie and demanding a total destruction of the system that has stood longer than any known civilization in actual history just because it MIGHT get better if it were gone is insanely stupid prog logic.
>>740152058space marines 2 and Darktide are not dead. no matter the time of day or night I always instant find other players in quickmatch.
I like that its still made for white straight menunline DND, who hates us, and wants the faggot and woman audience
>>740153490>No it's not. The best situation a Human can hope for in 40k is to be on some backwarer in Damocles where the Imperium barely does more than send a tax collector every few years to get a Tithe.And what do you think happens when a skinwalker ends on the planet or some random dumbfuck peasant ends up hearing voices and starts making a cult around what they tell him to?
>>740152976Blood ravens were made for the game first then immigrated over to the tabletop not the other way around.
>>740148859For how ubiquitous this pic is, it bugs me how it forgets his power pack entirely.
>>740153789warhammer is getting pretty woke, Darktide for example, more than half the ship are woman and the leader positions are basically all ladies except for that bald dude.
>>740153697Its quite amazing what the Emperor did.He turned a species of fragile sacks of flesh and bones into one of the most powerful races in the Galaxy. Trust the Emperor.
>>740153697>The justification is that without the Imperium, humanity would've long gone extinct either from the ruinous powers of Chaos or from alien threats of which there are many and all of them don't care at all about human lifeYou mean the same Chaos which now only has galactic power due to the Imperium handing it several legions of Space Marines?The Imperium that attacked and wiped out any aliens who allied with humans, and specifically purged humans who were even associated with xenos?>>740153803>BUT WHAT IF CHAOS SHOWS UP IN THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE GALAXY FROM THE EYE OF TERROR?Hey dipshit, guess what happened at Damocles. Here's a hint; it didn't fucking involve Chaos.
>>740153509You only get killed if you're weak.
>>740154006democracy leads to weaknesses since people allow mentally ill faggots to exist and preach their anti self preservation ideals.you are smooth brained as fuck bro.
>>740153371you do that in front of a screen, in a chair, every day. While your body slowly falls apart
>>740154136>since people allow mentally ill faggots to existYou may rectify the error of your birth at any time, friend.
>>740148859He is a former Captain which is on par with a Chaos LordChaos Lords in the novels have been able to do crazy shit like 1 tap Dreadnoughts and take on Armigers
The better Space Marines
Why does it feel like there's always some faggot trying to argue the Imperium is evil now? It's annoying as fuck.
>>740148859How is he the face of the tabletop? I'm pretty sure the face of the tabletop is still an Ultramarine helmet.
>>740148859A named Ultramarine not wearing his helmet is powerful enough to defeat the Chaos Gods.
>>740154156Jokes on you, I only post on my phone.
>>740148859He's literally a 30K Ultramarine in the modern times.30K Ultramarines got shit done harder and faster.
>>740154639Because people like you who fundamentally misunderstand that this is satire, the armies are just monsters, demons, aliens, and nazis.
>>740154639Media literacy faggots who don't actually engage with the material as depicted but still have a need to prove how "enlightened" they are by spewing random bullshit.
>>740154639The original intent of 40k is the good guys are whoever you're playing as (except chaos, then its just edgekino)But pretty much every 40k piece of media in current times actually has them as the good guys, putting ultramarine goodbois front and centre
>>740154936The setting is far too large and too indepth to be "just satire" anymore.
>>740148859Space Marine 2 and Darktide gave me 40k fatigue.I don't want space marine brotherhood and morals and feelings. I want respect, faith, and duty. This is why Leandros embodies the spirit of old 40k. He respects Titus, but understands Titus is only his brother, until he is not>He who fights with me shall be my brother>the humble guardsman who remains uncorrupted and duty bound fighting at your side is more of a brother to you than the centuries old battle brother who mentored you and has been true with you for over a century, yet one day suddenly fell to chaos (Isador)>You are not responsible for the strength or failings of others. It is not our lot to test their purity. We merely dispense the Emperor's justice when they failThere is no true brotherhood among individuals in 40k. Only respect.
>>740155002Just because the writing is bad now isn't an argument. I get the fan base is full or larpers, you're just like the women who have to force themselves into a space and change it to fit their feefees
>>740153180The tabletop is a smorgasbord of hobbies between modeling, painting, and playing a wargame with roots in pen & paper RPGs.You also throw dice.
>>740155126You're the kind of moron from /r sigmarxism that wants to allege the setting is just satire or some kind of allegory, but not accept that it's got its own internal and consistent logic for how things work. Because if you did, you would have to admit that making shit lame and gay to appeal to your dumb political beliefs wouldn't fit in the setting at all.
>>740154936warhammer stopped being satire the moment they removed the rape and murder marines
>>740153282One of my dream games is a live service Warhammer arpg, like PoE. I would be lost in that game if someone ever makes it
>>740155232That is a lot of word salad. You're trying too hard to hit me with a high school level of "media literacy".
>>740152627>Its basically 3rd person vermintideIt has nowhere near the melee autism needed for such a comparison.
>>740155706You haven't played techmarine yet i see
>>740148859I finally bought Spess Marine 2 because it was cheap. It's not much of a game to be honest but the visuals are great. Like the spectacle of seeing a gorillion tyrranids running around is very cool, but it really just makes me want a great movie instead of a block and press long attack button game.
>>740148859I wish they'd decide on what he's meant to look like once and for all.
>>740154639Because bad guys are cooler than good guys, and the Imperium is cool as fuck.
>>740152058I've only struggled to find a pvp game in sm2 once
>>740156295Chaos is cooler
>>740156945*gayer
This thread killed John Blanche
>>740157019Nice projection you've got going on there, faggot
>>740157093Not canon
They got Kriegmans and Deathwatch in the new Rogue trader DLC!
>>740157093Nice models you got there, your boyfriend make them for you?
>>740157440yeah :3
>>740151931>Read this>There will 1000000% be multicultural marines>Strong women infantry bossing people aroundIf you actually genuinely believe modern Hollywood can release a non pozzed product ESPECIALLY Games workshop? Kek
>>740157540you're replying to a 100% AI generated post
>>740157540Marines are already multi culturalOne of the most popular marine chapters are MaoriAlso we already have girl bosses in 40k for a while now.The new Castellan Creed and Cadian leader is literally Miss Trunchbull
so basicaley chaos is like Russia and Abaddon is Putin and Imperium is the free world USA and the IMperator is DRUMPF
>>740157440Oh no no no no....Ultrasisters....
>>740157954Why would you ruin your own model like this? A single one of those costs like $35.
30k > 40k armor designs in 30k absolutely blow 40k the FUCK out
>>740148859>Use a straight white male>Break recordsIt is that simple
>>740148859John Warhammer XD
>>740157093>>740157954I can critique the bad taste but I can't critique the actual skill to paint them
>>740158306Completely agree, there's something about 30k that's like the Greek Bronze Age to me, the age of heros. Where you have all these mythical figures in the setting, with the best armour, the best gear, in enormous battles for glory.
>>740154936This isn’t boohoo jew shit isn’t impressive because everyone can immediately intuit that liberalism would instantly fail in this setting, it’s not even a question
>>740158306What's insane is that a lot(relatively) of 30k armor still exists in 40k. They are all just kept in the armory and reserved for super emergencies.
>>740153697>>740153918>GW literally spends Twenty years writing a 60+ book long novel series about how the Empire and the Emperor in particular is the source of all of humanities problems, and constantly drops hints for the last several editions that the Emperor's self-proclaimed "backstory" is a sham and he's just a science experiment with a messiah complex.>Chuds still think the Imperium are the "good guys"
>>740148859His name is titus and jews hate that do hes cool
>>740158648>reserved for super emergencies.Read: in case primaris gets old very fast (which it does) and they will bank on easy nostalgia bucks
>>740158601yeahh boyo they look fukken COOL you know they mean business the primaris armor looks sterilized too sci-fi
>>740158306How the fuck is there not a 30k vidya that isn't mobage yet?>>740158795Real world-wise, you can already do that but they make it a pain in the ass with the MkX permutations. MkVII is already dug up for 11th and it's seemingly not every guy getting those helms.
>>740157219So my RT could ride a horse now?
>>740159091There will be a horus heresy dlc for total war 40k
I have Ultramarines fatigue
>>740159114If there isn't a dlc then there will be a mod. I will no-life the fuck out of a 30k campaign in Total War. The possibilities are endless.
>>740151931he is literally me!
Slaanesh return to sexiness when?
>>740148859>How powerful is John Warhammer?He is incapable of feeling fear, and was already incapable of it before he ever turned into a Space Marine.It's a huge advantage against chaos, which draws a lot of its power from exploiting weaknesses and doubts.There's the one cinematic where the chaos witch kills of all other death watch squad members by playing on their doubts to paralyze them, but Titus just walks on and kills the fucker, being completely immune to it.
>>740153097>the coal black nigger chapter is the nicest, most heroic, and most mentally stable>everyone loves them and they have families and hometowns to go back to>they're the closest thing to good guys in the entire Imperium They really aren't subtle, are they?
>>740158795GW already sells 30k sets with more on the way
>>740157540>>There will 1000000% be multicultural marinesThat has always been the case, except during some periods when they recruited pretty much exclusively from one planet, like all the Night Lords being pale because their planet never saw any sun light, or all the Salamanders being black because the gene-seed darkens their skin.>>Strong women infantry bossing people aroundThat has also always been the case.What would actually kill it is shit like female Astartes which would just retcon all the lore to pander to wokies.
>>740148859He's pretty good in the tabletop game, unsure if he's auto take but he can be a thorn in a lot of people's sidesBut with the meta of CSM 3x defiler in PBZ, or just defiler spam in general as well as twin lance tau and ctan necrons, Titus isn't that useful in top level play
>>740159263I would not call the Salamanders mentally stable. Their empathy is suicidal-retardation tier. They will sacrifice their chapter to save some civilians that don't matter.
the setting was better when there were gargantuan legions with distinct armor and tribal culture, the current tiny ass chapters with different shoulder guard colors are boring
>>740159414I just not notices he has heavy on his bolt bolter but he has a 2+ to hit anywaysIn what universe is this ever useful lmao
>swap helmet to the old one>Primaris design improves tenfoldSome fag was really wanting to do his own soft reboot of 40k like a mini AoS.
>>740159435That is a positive thing in the mind of the leftard.
He is awake.He is aware.Someone get him a text to speech device.
Soooo how's Mechanicus 2?
>>740159724He's been aware ever since Cypher tried breaking into his throne room and he told Cypher "Not Yet".He's been aware ever since he possessed Guilliman to tell Mortarion he's a dumbass fuckup but he might be saved somewhere down the line.
>>740159718Maybe, but it's still retarded.>sacrifice your chapter to save some powerless woman and her child>enemy is now unopposed>genocides the whole planet
>>740160072>He's been aware ever since Cypher tried breaking into his throne room and he told Cypher "Not Yet".were there any black library novels about this? or is it just some short blurb from a dark angels codex?I kinda wanna read up on the whole cypher shenanigans
>>740160112your Lamenters brother?
>>740160034the reviews are fairly bad, and when you read them they seem like fair complaints, too.
>>740151931Pointless virtue signalling when GW itself is doing everything in their power to ruin the lore for at least 20 years straight.
I want a game about the tau. We have had enough imperial shit lets see what happens when you arent stuck in a complete shithole of an empire and you get to actually fight the imperials
I would say I want a Dark Eldar game but that would just be Morrowind innit
>>740160178Cypher: Lord of the Fallen by John French
Has 11th edition signposted any actual fucking story development? Has anything even happened since Cadia blew up and The Great Primaris Embiggening?
>>740160567Gulliman and Lion might, huge emphasis on "might", be finally meeting each other again.
>>740159724He must be allowed to die so he can reanimate in all his full 15 foot tall golden glory.
Bought Space Marine 2 a few days ago. Enjoying it a lot, I like the simple structure reminiscent of games from decades past. I do need to get me a new mouse through with more than 2 buttons, having trouble with the bazillion keybinds on the keyboard. Thanks for reading my blog.
>>740153212Amazon just canceled a stargate thing because they didn't think what the director was making had broad enough appeal and all but said they are going to try again later with that in mind.Make of that what you will
>>740160567yes, Corvus came back having changed his gender on Cadia and now he goes by Corvea and leads the fearless female custodians to battle
>>740160694Isn't there a chapter whose mission is explicitly to avoid that happening because there's a real fear he will reincarnate into a being just as bad as the Chaos Gods?
>>740160798I think the Warhammer40k project was between Henry Cavill and Amazon then it would have been cancelled already, but GW are fully behind Cavill and supporting him in every way they can against Amazon so it's a bit of a different situation. >>740160931Yes, the Grey Knights and you're thinking of the Terminus Decree.
>>740155515Are you even capable of reading? Have you just been released from the American school system? Can you understand language at all that isn't ebonics?
>>740158601Arguably better technology too despite the primaris marines being a thing. Abbadon is lucky Horus made it so innovation was outlawed for 10 thousand years. I know the Emperor would hate what the Imperium has become.
>>740160931>>740160987believe in cypher
>>740160694I prefer that one faction of the inquisition that wants to mass sacrifice all his biological children at once to give him enough of a jolt to wake up
>>740161148If I remember rightly from the Horus Heresy books, in 30k times of the Great Crusade they were recovering an STC fragment almost every week with each planet put to compliance.While in 40k STC fragments are beyond rare that they just aren't really a thing that's recovered anymore.
>>740159263aren't they literally black because of coal and fire and shitmight as well be blackface
rip John Blanche ...You created the vision of a Grmdark future.
>>740160931The Grey Knights believe any situation where the emperor gets off the throne is going to be way worse than what they have so if he does they will attack and try put his ass back on it.The emperor that is on the throne isnt the old emperor his mind is completely broken so if someone decides to try heal him everyone is going to get fucked
>>740161283There still one very big complete STC that in the hand of the Mechanicus. They just don't know that it is a STC
>>740161320I knew it was coming, he wasn't well for a long time but still it hurts.
>>740161352also dont forget that if daddy e gets off the throne vulkan's relic will explode and consume all of the solar system and create a third eye of terror and also every human everywhere will become a gateway for demonic possession
>>740160357Fire warrior?
>>740158705How is he a sham if he literally lives while his body is dead. Which science experiment can make a human being into a literal god? And even if hes isnt all that, It still doesnt negate the fact that without him there would be no astra millitarum and so humanity wouldnt last 40k fucking years dominating most parts of galaxy.
>>740160357>no tau sniper game>no ork musou>no eldar soulsborne>no necron city buildertruly we live in a society
>>740153180It's because GW doesnt know how to write appealing easy to understand rules. Go look up how flyers work, you wont. And so nobody ever uses them
>>740161319Yeah they're black because their skin is pretty much charredThe culture of the salamanders is closer to ancient greeks, i mean Vulkan is literally named after the greek god of the forge
>>740153097The fuck are you talking about thats not how black templars work. This is what happens when you learn lore through memes
>>740160567There's been some signs of a civil war between Gulliman and some sections of the Imperium who liked it before he returned (because they were fully in charge). There's already been one coup attempt by some of the High Lords of Terra that Gulliman put down, but there's ongoing shady stuff being done that's making both sides more distrustful of each other.
>>740161771i hope gorillaman dieshe shouldve been unplugged 4 editions ago
>>740161765Children as human shields was a bit hyperbolic but the forced breeding camps thing is true
>>740161753Vulkan is the Roman equivalent of the Greek god Hephaestus.
>>740151931I hope Cavill makes the series as inclusive as possible. I don't want another conservative wank fest where spes maries are le good, chaos is evil and elves are cucks with 2 secs of screentime. I want the show to shoe in the terribleness of the Empire, the apathy yet brutal efficiency of the Aeldari and Drukhari, the basedness of the Orks, the unnaturality of the Necrons and of course the sheer vileness of space aids fags.
>>740160567Four traitor primarchs have officially returned and had been activeMortarion (driven back to Nurgle by Gulliman/Emperor)Angron (decapitated and sent back to the Warp by Lion)Fulgrim (still active)Pertuarbo (active. No official tabletop model yet)
>>740162128Wait, I forgot one more.Magnus, he's back and active as well.
>>740162078He's a Custodesnigger so you better believe that he'll have a bias against depicting female Custodes and will put Sisters of Silence in the forefront of a mini-arc to remind James that they do, in fact, have a female equivalent of bananaboys already, and they should fucking do something with that.
Tyranids are the true heroes. Zero corrupted warp shit has happened because of them
>>740155126>the writing is "bad" because the 98,687 authors writing 40k lore aren't making the specific brand of post-modernist smugness I like.you're so gay holy shit.
>>740162128Peter Turbo's model will not go as hard as the artwork, and I am NOT okay with that.
>>740162227>anyone trying to push modern 40K giving a shit about the Sororitas or Sisters of Silence instead of trying to rape and pozz the fuck out of already existing lore to "own da chuds"
>>740162189no one cares abaut Magnus
>>740162405Whatever artstyle that is, whoever the artist is. I do not like it.
>>740148859heheeeeee le heckin John-“insert le quieky chungus word” joke is so Fanny XDYou fucking unfunny faggot, kill yourself with your reddit nigger jokes
>>740154226>formerReinstatedHe is captain of 2nd company after taking ovet Acheran, who got krumptedRIP acheran
>>740153657I tried it on TTS (40k that is, no idea how fantasy plays) I had a hard time getting it at all. Theres so much you have to remember and keep in mind
I hope you're putting at least twice this amount of effort into finding and saving paintjobs you genuinely like.
>>740157093How do you get paint this smooth
>>740162405If demon perty is just "man but with spiky bits" imma riot
>>740162907https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3p_VuPIS2c
>>740152058Space Marine 2 is pretty much bulletproofed against dying. It has crossplay and the co-op modes (arguably the meat of it) only take a maximum of three players, on that basis it'd need to hit a triple or double digit total player count across all platforms before you'd stop finding matches in seconds. Shortness isn't inherently a problem either, it makes revisits easier and most other third person shooters aren't dissimiliar in length anyway.
>>740160180Lamenters were extremely competent compared to Salamanders, they were just cursed with bad luck.
>>740159154THISMANY ARE SAYING THISif i dont get a sangy mod day 1 ill be mad
John Rogue Bastard is better desu
>>740163370I still play WWZ (Saber's previous game) and you can still find matches fairly quickly. It has 1/10 the popularity of Space Marine. Space Marine won't die anytime soon (unless SM3 makes it obsolete).
>>740162963>>740163596>sangy>pertykill yourself now
>>740163705What a fragile little baby you are
>>740163705have a leman gf
>>740163815Malcador was right. it should have been space mommies.
>>740163747fictional characters are not your friends and using cute shorthands to somehow humanize them and bring them within your remit is not healthyI hope you get help
>>740161667It's 40k mate, anybody can keep living while dead (or do anything really) if they've got enough psychic mumbo jumbo to do it. Emps is heavily implied to be some Dark Age of Tech super-psyker experiment made to have the most psychic mumbo jumbo of anyone who ever mumbo jumbo'd. All his conquests did were empower Chaos and abort the evolving and adapting human societies in their cribs while destroying every ally they could have possibly had. "Unity" under the government on Terra doesn't really mean anything given that Humans were the most common race in the galaxy territory wise during the Age of Strife anyway, so in that regard he achieved nothing. Especially given that 99%the threats the Astra Militarum defends against were all caused by the Imperium in the first place (even the fucking Nid's only showed up because of the imperium). All he did was replace a myriad of human civilizations and potential to evolve with a single inadequate one.
>>740164290Its shorthand nigga you're the one putting too much thought into it
>Be me>Greatest champion of Khorne to ever live>Due to circumstances of fate, become scorned by my master when I was meant to be his greatest general>Left crippled in mind and body, but can still wield my weapons in my hands and thus continue to kill>Mind can now only comprehend violent rage, become as much a threat to my allies as my enemies>At least I'm Skarbrand and not that cuck AngronPic unrelated
>>740163815>pedo artist
>>740164462you can rationalize it whatever way you want but you should get help and I mean it
>A Primarch has shown up to the battlefield>...A Primarch has shown up to the battlefield>...here where I am, there's a Primarch and he's fighting what I'm fighting...
>>740164558Projecting a bit there chum, late on the meds today?
Why does anyone serve the 4 for daemonhood when you can just go undivided and get all of the benefits with none of the downsides? Like all the traitor primarchs sworn to one of the 4 are all miserable constantly because they're slaves while Lorgar is just like, hangin'.
>>740164495Based
WE GOT HIM!!! WE GOT HIM!!!
>>740163815funny how some anons were laughing at women simping fo Konrad but the moment the female version came out they suddenly went "O...I get it now"
>>740165046Chaos undivided is a concept that only really happened in the heresy, because the big 4 finally had a shot at taking down big eAbbadon and the black legion are basically hanging onto the scraps of artifacts left behind by Horus and a few greater demons willing to go behind their master's backs
>>740165046Because it takes a lot of willpower to prevent oneself from drifting to one extreme side and dedicate yourself completely to one god. You not only have to keep the offering balance to not upset the gods with the opposite domain but you also need to not be too greedy when it come to accepting gifts.
>>740153289>nerfed kerri's titsin-game model or bust.
>>740164917weak, I wasn't reaming you out, this is just a piece of advice for your own good it's your choice if you disregard it or not, I have seen plenty of people spiraling without help, just so you know, have a good day
>>740166150nta but Why would you go to 4CHAN to help people?
>>740166301He's a good guy who wants healthy /vee/.
>>740164486
>>740161457Wait what the fuck, is this canon? Why would vulkan do that? Who gave the dude who got buckbroken by curze access to the golden throne?
>>740153237>>740153289Why does every 40k thread have people trying to talk about Starcraft in it? Fuck off
>>740160798>Amazon just canceled a stargate thingThey canceled the Stargate relaunch? Mother. Fuckers. Those sons of bitches.
>>740166917Angron on the left is a great character. I reckon if he just had someone to talk to he wouldn't have rebelled.
>>740167297To be fair it's impossible to do Stargate in our modern era.>US military are the good guys>evil aliens are innately biologically evil>evil aliens take the forms of ancient mythological gods from multiple pantheons mostly non white cultures>only potentially good aliens took the form of Nordic godsIt's cooked
>>740166917>>740167381It fucking breaks my heart how in Betrayer the guy was actually coming around to spending time with his legion and warming up to the idea of dealing with it together as their leader and companionAnd then Erebus fucking ruins everything and mercs my boy Argel Tal, the cunt, as usual
>>740167574Yeah, there is that. I was pretty curious to see how they were gonna deal with that shit.Man, that still sucks, though. I fucking loved Stargate, and was really hoping this was gonna work out.Ah, well. I always have 17 seasons of 3 shows to rewatch anyways.
damn....
>>740162654Man, they are all so fucking ugly.The homo colourschemes don't do them any service either.>>740165414I still don't get it, if anything it made me more averse to the thought of a curze gf.Having actually been around someone who had a sister who started crying out of nowhere, it wasn't appealing at all.
>>740167381>>740167673In Horus Rising it comments that the technology to remove the nails from Angron exists and yet he choses to keep them in. Until I read the book I was always under the impression the process was irreversible through loretubers. That's what I get for getting my information second hand.
I love Chaos Jetpacks so muchThey just strapped two commercial airline engines on their backs and gave a thumbs up
>>740167774There's a thread on /tg/ about it, don't expect people on /v/ to know who he is, they're very new to the franchise and don't know much about it.
>>740148859Because spees mureen 2 sold a gorillion copies and he's an ultra marine.>How powerful is John Warhammer?As powerful as the story wants him to be.
>>740168107
>>740167905He wanted the penance and the pain, and didn't want the Emperor's help, but golden guy very much *should* have been able to do magic surgery on him to remove the nails, no doubtI think Angron was having second thoughts about it all though, right before he was turned into a demon
>>740165046You need a special level of autism and/or butthurt like Peterturbo to go undivided.
>>740151931It's funny he has to do it because nobody else in production or writing gives a shit.
>>740168107I don't get how the fuck it was the better stuff until Cawl gives the loyalist their updated jump packs.
>>740148859>replaces captain acherannow retards think gw will kill calgar and make titus the chapter master
>>740167774>740167774Holy shit, really?Goddamn, this is a sad day.>>740167905That is something added in the 11th hour, because for DECADES the lore was that the Nails were archeotech that was replacing his brain matter, not simply bored in, and removing them would leave Angron a vegetable.I'd have to see the passage in the book; who exactly said this?
>angkek lost to russchad>angkek lost to russchad>angkek lost to russchad>angkek lost to russchad
>>740168171Iron warriors are so damn cool.
>>740168376I think they will go the route of putting him in a dreadnaught later but if they don't do that they will make him chapter master
>>740168453They're also my favorite Chaos marinesTheir prideless identity, WAAC mentality and bare plain armor give them a flavor to their ownSadly in the lore they are super jobber who can't even beat the MechanicusTheir most recent campaign has their main named Chaos Lord start a war against the Imperium on 4 fronts and he proceeded to get 4 Stalemates
Why no aeronautica imperialis/eldar ace combat game?
>>740168950>Why no aeronautica imperialis/eldar ace combat game?To tell you the truth this entire aspect of 40k is not well developed at all. The amount of different unit types available to pool with are trivial, a handful of models for each race. Any ace combat game 10x minimum the amount of content. I mean just think about it, the Imperium of Man is a loose imperial federation of tithe bearing subjects under greater imperial federal jurisdiction. Every world has different local tech level. There must be a hundred million worlds with their own atmospheric only aviation both civilian and military of every generation of manned flight. We know 0% of it. Now we know the most common, most mass produced imperial VOID capable multirole aircraft but it's a drop in the buck, it's like knowing Ford Crown victoria as the only police cruiser on earth.The amount of different void capable strike fighters will be by necessity of scarcity and difficulty of manufacture far more rare, say 1 million non mechanicus worlds capable of producing something, even if it is only sub-light inter solar system void ships. It's just, nobody has ever done any of this work. For all we know Strange real and Ace combat happens in 40k universe.
>>740162078That's StarCraft marine armour you fucking faggot secondary
Titus has been a Space Marine for like 400 years, which is longer than most of them, aside from the super high-ranking officers/captains, and if anything, Titus should hold a higher station than he does given his service record. I believe he does get promoted at the end of the game though.
>>740171365He is now the second company captain
>>740171436Which company was he the captain of in SM1?
>>740172624Also second
>>740155090>This is why Leandros embodies the spirit of old 40kLol nigger
>>740167381I feel like Angron would still rebel. His entire thing is rebel against tyranny and slavers and how could he stomach the idea of the Imperium? Not only that, the Imperium let the slavers that tortured him and his siblings go without any punishment while letting them hold onto power. No way in hell Angron would accept the deal that the Emperor made.
>>740161320RIP John, can't be overstated how important he was in setting the tone for the Warhammers.
>>740148859GW is really bad at marketing their own characters and IP. Look at Gundam and how big it is compared to Warhammer in terms of profit. James Workshop adamantly refuses to market characters with mass appeal and aura, purely because they'd rather miss out on profits than NOT push Abaddon. Ciaphas Cain, Eisenhorn, Emperor etc all should have shows and models and side-projects dedicated to pushing them into the masses, but GW simply doesn't. Meanwhile devs like Owlcat and Saber push more positively-portrayed characters via videogames, showing that both the setting and the OCs have appeal. GW has also this weird disdain for good writing, as their shows that they publish on WH+ (you know, the thing that should be on netflix to push views) have an aversion to creating likeable characters that last. Kills the entire interest in the eyes of general public.
>>740148859Game shouldnt have a nigger in it
>>740169782Would a game not be an opportunity to develop that aspect like GW did for certain parts of fantasy with TW? Someone at GW has to be into the idea since they had a tabletop specialist game for it. It may seem to be a hurdle but it's one that I think could be overcome easily
He should team up with GABRIEL ANGELOS
>>740174080>Ciaphas CainHow about no.
>>740174080It's super weird how they'll do secret level and pit the cavill show on amazon but refuse to just slap their old warhammer+ into an anthology and put that on amazon as well. They could even make it so new shows are exclusive to warhammer tv for like a year before they go onto another platform. They absolutely refuse to make a single good marketing decision
>>740161156Most underrated character. Wish there was more spotlight for him.
>>740157219Can it climb a mountain?
>>740160567The orks took ArmageddonThe silent king has returned and is building a anti-warp pylon network that's increasing in sizeA chaos demi-god who runs the soul forge rebuilt caliburn and turned it into a daemon forge world that can tunnel through the webway
>>740165372I fucking hate what they did to lasgun shots and am not buying a single new 40k product until old lasers are back.
Im still mad that GW has monopolized Warhammer fan contentI just want more Text 2 Speech
>>740177171Fully simulating and animating tabletop battles was a mistake.
>>740177171TTS was about to go off a cliff in the next few episodes with what was coming, better to hit the brakes now.
Space marine 3 teaser on friday
>>740179918They should just support modding properly for SM2. Game would be a fucking goldmine you could play forever. But corporate greed comes first.
>>740161457No no no, Vulcan's bomb is there to avoid creating a new eye of terror. Way better than the terminus decree, even Abnett commented the Custodes would defeat the Grey Knights
Damn, Guilliman looks like THAT?
>>740157093Even without the paintjob those nu-marines look fucking lame as hell lmao.
>>740159724
>>740159656Nu-bolters still look like shit though. Godwyn or bust.
>>740167774Sad to know he died hating what 40k has become. Rest in peace.
>>740182773Tell me more
>>740177171Cant say i miss it.Early TTS was great when it focused on taking the piss. The later focus on creating their own plotlines really didn't pan out that well. Still pissed at GW going after fan-works though.
>>740182773NTA, can't find the link to that interview but one of his complaints was the loss of mystique the setting had. Nu40k writers see the need to have everything in the setting explained instead of leaving things up to speculation. See what happened with the Horus Heresy
>>740148859Not as powerful as Talasa and Veridian.
>>740148859Because GW is losing relevance since they murdered literally all fanworks in favor of the worst animated garbage you've ever seen. Nobody likes AoS except as an okay wargame with good models.
>>740161667>64421#NTA but if you haven't kept up then I am so sorry. The new writers and the OGs still left drank the kool-aid. The Emperor's backstory has been entirely retconned including that the few good things he did do are actually stolen credit from a woman scientists he murders out of jealousy.
>>740157019>Emperor's ChildrenOh, thank you! I could be gayer though.
>>740159414God, he wiped out an entire unit of Khorne Berzerkers because of his bullshit auto revive ability in the last game I played
>>740182940>>740183607NTA but there's an excerpt from an interview where he pretty much states that the Primarchs were never meant to be focused in or brought to 40k, but GW saw the money in it and ran.
>>740159414I remember when his first model came out and it had an abhorrently awful statline.
>>740151931And in the end his efforts amount to nothing.The studio might entertain his ideas to keep him around and then just edit him into scenes where he kneels before a negress chaptermaster
>>740187280>the Primarchs were never meant to be focused in or brought to 40kIt was fucking stupid anyway that even before all the books most of the traitor primarchs got to live on as demons/demon princes which meant that they could fuck up the Imperium in 40k without anything resembling a real counter to them.
>>740187280Mortarion, Fulgrim, Angron and Magnus all had models back in Epic 40k
>>740182638All the new stuff looks worseGaymaris is such an all around downgrade
I want the 11th edition starter sets to come out already so I can start painting and playing
>>740190292That's why the new primarine kits have armor resembling older Mk VII/VIII, because they realized nostalgia for the classic armor designs would sell better than the Mk X designs.
>>740148859memes and shills they basically recycled the first game but swapped orcs for tyranids. you are not even the one that stops the invasion. you even go through teh game aimlessly cause theres 0 world building in the game. In the first one you kept going through teh same planet with tangible objectives in the second this doesn't happen you keep going just becuase.SM1 7.5/10SM2 5/10
I started getting into painting some miniatures for me and my brothers to play at home exclusively, as the next warhammer shop is quite far away. In that case there really is no reason to be up to date about the new edition, right? I would guess at the end of it's lifecycle tenth edition is pretty much optimised, because I often heard about new editions suffering from gamebreaking balance issues.
>>740193842if it's just you guys then sure
>>740194598ty
>>740190491It's a fomo box that costs like $250 you can already get the rules online for free from the GW website
>>740153097Black Templars are bros solely for helping celestial lions
>>740196183I don't own anything yet and don't want orks
>>740196183also I want to play blood ravens
>>740161859>the forced breeding camps thing is truenot the Templars. Death Spectres.
>>740196350then just buy some marines and paint then up as blood ravens then
Does anyone know the faction that was stealing armor from dead Marines and one of them was trying to steal xenos weapons and they told him no and he was like “we can steal our own brothers armor but not use alien weapons?”Was it Minotaurs?
>>740160694will it be him though? or will it be the god emperor.because the latter will probably cause another eye of terror. an eye of terra so to speak.
>>740196510Marines Malevolent loots and steal wargear from any side. Minotaurs gets the best shit outside of first founding due to they're the high lords personal hit chapter.
>>740161753>Yeah they're black because their skin is pretty much charredthe people of nocturne all have a dark, almost pitch-black skin tone due to Nocturnes hellish magnetic fields. it caused the skins of the natives to naturally darken over eons. the reason the Salamanders turn into giganiggas is because of a mutation in one of the gene seed organs (the Melanochrome, basically turns the skin into auto-darkening sunglasses), causing it to be hyperactive. the actual populace of nocturne (and the Salamanders themselves) have a range of phenotypes. The Guy from Pariah Nexus, Sa'Kan, is asian as hell (as is his VA).
>>740196405I want a good deal though and dawn of war onslaught is out of stock
>Temped to make Chaos Marines my second army after fully painting my Craftworld Eldar and learning how to play>Debating if I want to do Black Legion or Word Bearers
>>740157954>Go to GW back in April>Girl apparently was looking for either paints or someone to play Kill Team with>Kill Team was Space Marine Scouts>She painted them light purple and light blue>Gave them fur around their necks and bunny ears
>>740197198Ah ok you’re right Ty “Xenos weapons are plentiful enough.’‘Put that filth down,’ Curhn snapped, gesturing with the scorched muzzle of his sun gun.‘I thought we were scavenging,’ Mauhl countered.Vathek stepped into his eye line. ‘Do as he says.’‘We only rob Imperial then, is that it?’ asked Mauhl, tossing the pistol.Rennard answered emphatically. ‘Yes.’Mauhl cocked his head, questioning. ‘A little close to defilement, isn’t it?’‘No, brother, it’s survival,’ Rennard replied. ‘They have no need of them.’‘Whoever “they” are...’ Karvak eyed the bare metal of Adeptus Astartes armour strewn around them.
>>740168620>who can't even beat the Mechanicuswho could?
>>740197584Word Bearers have a neat color scheme, but are shit lore-wise at throwing hands unless they're actively getting juiced by Chaos. The Black Legion at least gets shit done from time to time.>want to start out learning TT with CL army>Lions don't even have enough Marines left to fill a company:(
>>740158085That one in particular is closer to 70-80
>>740197584Spread the Word.
>>740198272>the Inquisition was still salty even after Armageddon and actively blocked their Primarine upgrades then sent a Callidus to kill their Chapter Master againDey Inquisition jus rayciss
>>740159656I actually really like the Primaris helmet
>>740153657I used to play lotr warhammer when I was younger but no one plays it anymore I think, I also have some 40k imperium units, want to get back into playing it's a really fun game when you get into it, especially when one of your shitty units saves your ass completely kek
What do humans even fight for in 40k?Everything fucking sucks and 90% of the population are slaves anyway.At least in fantasy you had somewhat normal and happy lives. Something worth fighting for.
>>740151931I'll believe it when I see it.
>>740197734>girl
>>740199046Your average citizen lives a normal life, it's mostly those in hive cities, warzones or super hellshitholes tend to suffer. There are world that normal as fuck by 40k standards.
>>740159219Never, chudzilla. Women need to be empowered and dignified and not stimulate your peepee in any way - including sex demon women. Next Daemonette model will be wearing a tank top and shorts and you will be barred from tournaments for daring to bring the old model.
>>740199046Most just fight for a normal life, especially when every other race is out there to subjugate, kill or use you, and very few in the Imperium itself know much about the enemies they face, especially Chaos because it's innately corrupting to the average person. Hell, Space Marines might as well be myths to most Guardsmen.
>welcome to mars now get out!
who else is a catachan chad here
>>740148859they finally found a mascot to bring in normies to consume wh40k.
>>740198738this, but unironicallymy space bois dindu nuffin and the Ordo Hereticus is the big gay.
>>740152058length doesn't matter, good games can be replayed
>>740198002It is a sound decision, because "faith" can poison you in 40k. If you lessen the bonds of your mind against shit that isn't your own, you leave yourself open to ideological possession and after that, the shape of your soul literally changes. The dogma under which 40k factions work is not nonsense, since theirs is a belief based universe. If you gradually begin to believe that it's okay to use xenos shit, your soul over time will literally warp into that of a xeno-tolerant human and it will begin to shape every single decision of yours. The fucking "why isn't humanity reasonable" retards need to get out of 40k because theirs is not a universe of reason and logic, but of belief and emotion.
>>740162789nta but here is a summary>once upon a time reality existed and so did a psychic echo of it called the realm of souls>long ago frog things evolved into energy beings that harnessed power from the realm of souls>shit was good>some sad fucks called necrontyr had a shit life on a shit planet>wanted frogs to help>frogs refused because scary OTHER energy beings were munching on the star of the necrontyrs>necrontyr get REALLY assmad over this.>invent super technology>find star parasites>decide they are gods, Ctan.>shove star parasites into supertechnology bodies and give them brainsand after a series of events, necrontyr become necron terminator robots fighting for ctan in a biiiiiiig war with Frogs>Frogs make eldar, not enough>Frogs make orks, barely enough>necron have civil war against ctan and fuck off to sleep for millions of years>Realm of souls is FUCKED by the war>evil things grow, kill off most of the frogs>first 3 chaos gods emerge, dont do much, just sort of exist>orks regressSo now its just the eldar>eldar make big empire>become super evil and cruel>eldar muderfuck 4th chaos god into existence>entire empire consumed by giant hole in space called The Eye of Terror>all gods now in full fuckforce doing shit.Humanity emerged during the eldar time, made a vast society, and was doing GREAT on its own without the emperor (who was just hiding) doing anything.>Skynet happens>Humans become psychic (I blame chaos gods) and start uncontrollably summoning demons and other nasty shit, tearing apart entire planets and star systems>everything is so fucked only REALLY lucky and intolerant societies survive>humanity still on the verge of dying outThat was how everything was before the Emperor decided to try and reunite humanity and build the Imperium of man.
>>740198160This. Even the Emperor knew a full war with Mars would end in total disaster.
>>740207017It would end in disaster because even when the imperium at large wins they've still just destroyed their own industrial base and whatever procedures they were using to contain the tech horrorsA thousand guardsmen to every skitarii would be a total blitz even before the fact that the supermajority of astartes chapters distrust tech priests intrinsically
>>740162789>>740206693after everything was fucked, the emperor and his immortal advisor tried to bring shit back together with some retardedly convoluted and sketchy plans.Chaos acted to ruin almost all of them, and at the end of the horus heresy with his advisor dead he tried one last convoluted plan.Chaos acts to keep the imperium of man a desperately corrupt shit hole on the brink of falling apart or pulling itself back from said brink.It draws power from that. Literally.Khorne gets power from the fighting and trainingNurgle gets power from everything staying stagnant and the unending cycles of growth and decayTzeentch gets power from all of the planning and plotting by everyone to try and get shit doneSlaanesh gets power from all of the fear, dispair, joy, etc as all sorts of people desperately seek an escape from their worries.The imperium of man isn't evil.It is a prisoner forced to run in a hamsterwheel to power chaos.
>>740207017>>740207098Its a damn shame the original mechanicus were so obsessed with understanding the truth and learning everything.ran completely counter to the emperors wild plan of denying chaos via ignorance (and, if he had gotten his way, blocking the link to their realms in the warp)his hubris and paranoia doomed the early imperium of man to host a ticking timebomb where the mechanicus would eventually realize he had NEVER honored their treaty and would rebel.Just as Tzeentch wanted.
>>740153697>The justification is that without the Imperium, humanity would've long gone extinct either from the ruinous powers of Chaos or from alien threatsMeme. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Leagues_of_Votann https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Diasporex (they were thriving until the Imperium wiped them out btw)https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Turning_of_the_Golden_Apostles (they were also thriving until they ran into the Imperium)https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Interex (were thriving and on par with the Imperium...until the Imperium wiped them out. Hmm. I'm noticing a pattern here)https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Autocracy_of_Szaeyr (wiped out by the Imperium)What you NEED to realize is that the Emperor and the Imperium DAMNED humanity. They DESTROYED every other path that humanity could've taken. They wiped out entire human civilizations for having genetic mutations, they wiped out human civilizations for refusing to renounce their faith, they wiped out human civilizations for allying with xenos, and they wiped out human civilizations that they saw as "heretical". They also wiped out every alien race they came into contact with on sight for 200 years, as they sweeped across the galaxy in an unprecedented amount of time, during the Great Crusade. Is it truly a surprise that aliens don't touch the Imperium when the Imperium wiped out the peaceful humans and the peaceful alien races that they came into contact with?
>>740207319>they were thriving until the Imperium wiped them out btwif they couldn't survive the imperium they would never survive anything else the imperium is currently bleeding againstnecrons and nids would turn them into a roadbump
>>740207375to be fair, the imperium of NOW isn't the imperium of then.its far weaker now.>>740207319is still a retard because it was the earliest horus heresy traitors that caused most of those peoples to be wiped out.
>>740207375>if they couldn't survive the imperium they would never survive anything else the imperium is currently bleeding against>necrons and nids would turn them into a roadbumpThey COULD'VE survived if the Imperium didn't FUCK them over with their WARP enhanced super soldier abominations. In a world without the Imperium, those civilizations would've had another 10,000 years to expand and thrive. Because they wouldn't have to deal with the Imperium or later, the Chaos Marines (who also only existed because of the Imperium, really makes you think).The Interex would've been a FAR better future for the galaxy. Even Horus and Erebus knew this. Horus wanted to ally with them BECAUSE they were on par with the Imperium despite the fact that they took a different path, ideologically and technologically. Erebus saw them as a threat that had to be extinguished. Why? The Interex knew about Chaos. And the Interex had already taken measures to counter it. And the Diasporex? It took a Primarch and his legion to wipe them out as well. Both of which only exist because the Emperor fucked around with the warp to create space marines. In a world with no space marines, the Diasporex survive and thrive. Same with the Golden Apostles...The Autocracy of Szaeyr took a literal CRUSADE from the Imperium to wipe them out>>740207424>is still a retard because it was the earliest horus heresy traitorsYes, I'm aware. The Emperor's warp abominations slaughtered the real humans who were living in co-existance with the aliens.
>>740207319>league of votanimperium didnt do shit to them in the nu lore.old lore was that the TYRANIDS wiped them out, retard>diasporexweak retards with unknown potential timebombs from xenos, a single legion wiped em>golden apostlesfreaky warp shit that was almost certainly infested with tzeentchian bullshit.also weak, a single legion wiped em>interexLITERALLY the fault of the origin of the Horus heresy, Erebus, deliberately sabotaging things.>autocracy of szaeyrthat was POST horus heresy you fucking idiot.and post war of the beast.the imperium was being VERY nice to them by offering to let the humans separate and join.>>740207671>blah blah blah Im a retard who can't readlol
>>740207671>be chaos>deliberately make your agent start a war>be random retard>blame the war on all the space marines that were trying to negotiate a treaty that would have seen chaos wiped out
>>740207715I never said the Imperium did anything to the League of Votan. I listed them as an alternative to the Imperium's philosophy. >weak retards with unknown potential timebombs from xenos, a single legion wiped emYes, I'm well aware. A chaos demigod and a 100,000 chaos abominations wiped out a faction of humans. Congrats. >freaky warp shit that was almost certainly infested with tzeentchian bullshit.also weak, a single legion wiped emOnce again proving my point. A Chaos demigod and a 100,000 chaos abominations wiped out a faction of humans. Congrats.>LITERALLY the fault of the origin of the Horus heresy, Erebus, deliberately sabotaging things.Yes, I'm aware. A Chaos abomination that only existed because of the Imperium set into motion a sequence of events that led to 100,000 chaos abominations and their chaos demigod leader wiping out a race of humans. Congrats!
>>740207671>took a literal CRUSADEdude crusades post horus heresy arent special.it was just a deathwatch crusade.the black templars use that shit all the time to make the codex a joke and have as many members as they want.
>>740160567Perturabo showed up, cucked the Black Legion out of the remaining chunks of Cadia to build essentially his own version of the Phalanx.
>>740148859>john warhammer in john warhammer game>>kills thousands of tyranids and chaos space marines>john warhammer in the tabletop>>dies to nigga with a pllasma glock in 1 turn
>>740207931So you couldn't argue anything about the imperium being bad....so you decided to just reframe everything about chaos instead.good job agreeing with me!glad you could admit you were wrong
>>740208003>So you couldn't argue anything about the imperium being bad....Space Marines were a mistake and an utter abomination. Chaos literally could've have asked for a better tool. The Imperium and their Space Marines did their work for them. They wiped out all of the friendly aliens and all of the competent human factions. Then afterwards half of those Space Marines turned cloak and pledged themselves to Chaos. With their demigod leaders, the Primarchs, going on to become the immortal champions of Chaos.Yep! Sounds like the Imperium did a lot of good to the galaxy. Thank GOODNESS for the Emperor and his Imperium. >>740207943> to make the codex a joke and have as many members as they want.I'm aware. The warp abominations needed more men to wipe out a race of actual human beings.
>>740165046Ever since the Gods created Be’lakor they don’t like creating undivided princes very often because they are harder to control.
>tiny insignificant alien empire>imperials are terrified of them because they keep making advancements in technology while the imperials are the equivalent of medieval peasants suddenly getting hyper advanced technology and think it all happens because computers are actually alive and technology is magic
>>740208127use of warp when imperium of man:>WAHHHH EVIL WARP ABOMINATIONS REEEEE HOW DARE YOU EVIL CHAOS WAAHHHHHuse of warp when anything else such as the golden apostles:>POOR INNOCENT HUMANS HOW DARE CHAOS KILL THISyou don't have any arguments.you just hate the imperium lolnice try chaos
>star wars battlefront but warhammer 40kyes or no?I think it'd be more fun than battlefield kindeveryone started off as rank-and-file imperial guardsmen/eldar guardian/necron warrior/ork boyz/chaos cultist and then after earning enough kills/score you start picking more special class like space marine/farseer/lychguard/mek/chaos sorcerer
>>740208254>you just hate the imperium lolYeah, I hate them for damning humanity with their "great" crusade
>>740208234you say that but that sword in the image is a literal magic technosword that is slowly giving farsight the fulgrim treatement.
>>740167673Erebus is Erebus but imo the real blame goes to Kharn for being so desperate for daddy’s approval to let himself and rest of his legion get lobotomized.
>>740208283No, you hate them because you are a blind retard who thinks chaos is anything that is doing well and anything that gets crushed isnt.
>>740208330If you were made with chaos, then you are a chaos abomination. It's as simple as that. The Emperor fucked with forces he didn't understand, and the entire galaxy had to suffer as a result because of his hubris. The Emperor objectively made the galaxy a worse place. Period.
>>740208263I'll do you one betterPlanetside 2, but in 40k>>740208289how so? I thought it was just extending his life per kill? also, isn't it supposedly one of the 99 Blades of Vaul?
>>740164486>Angrons first notable achievement post ascension was getting completely humiliated by Perturabo. KWAB.
>>740208372Ok so you are a literal retard who doesn't know what the warp is vs chaos....christ who let you read books when you can't even read them correctly lmao
>>740148859He is like Orlando Bloom's character in Kingdom of Heaven, a man with modern day morals in a time when shit is completely different and he should rightfully be executed as a heretic.
>>740165414I could fix her
>>740208372erebus made the galaxy a worse place.why do you have such a hate boner lmao
>>740208234>because computers are actually alivethey are actually alive you dolt, not only did men of iron exist, not only did they destroy the most successful human empire ever, not only do they still exist, not only do they still terrorize some remote worlds, but some have even gone to disguise themselves to infiltrate the imperium
40k gets cooler when there are less humans involved.
>>740208446Just because they aren’t Salamanders doesn’t make Ultramarines complete psychos like Minotaurs, Carcharodons or many Blood Angels successors.
>>740208487>why do you have such a hate boner lmaoBecause the Imperium wiped out the following human civilizations>Auretian Technocracy>the Gardinaal dominion>the Elaric Combine>the Diasporex>the Astranii Machine Empire>the Archaist Strongholds>the Araneus Continuity>the Golden Apostles>the Gordian League>The Diasporex>The InterexAnd then they have the gall to say "there was no other way". Then they further damned humanity with 10,000 years of religious fanaticism, unchecked corruption, wanton genocide, and technological stagnation
>>740208386Let me read you this excerpt about the blade:>The Dawn Blade is older than the Imperium, and was fashioned aeons ago by the strange xenos species that once inhabited the haunted world of its origin. >Forged from materials that even the finest Earth Caste minds cannot fathom, its blade is sharp enough to cut through rock and all known forms of infantry and even vehicle armour; and its sculpted surface flickers with unknown energies which paint glittering arcs of destruction as it is swung.Unknown xenos speciesUnknown impossible materialsCool artifact weapon that cuts REALLY well and has unlimited power to do funny energy shitSomehow extends your life with those that you kill.Anon.That is a TEXTBOOK example of warp fuckery.Fulgrim's blade was an alien weapon of unknown origin that cut really well and was made of unknowable materials as well.This is a chaos plot in the early stages.
>>740208438I made a mistake. I'll admit it. I'm half asleep right now so I mixed up Chaos and the Warp. But that doesn't make anything I else I said incorrect. The fact is, the Imperium damned humanity.
>>740208641>>740208683>how DARE warpy people wipe out OTHER warpy people!>when its warp I don't like ITS CHAOS REEEE>when its warp I do like (for not being the imperium) its TOTALLY different
>>740208683Humanity was damned by chaos because chaos saw the perfect battery.It was damned BEFORE the age of strife by chaos. Definitely via the psykers, and probably by the machine uprising as well.Stupid, weakminded fool.
How many problems would have been avoided if humans just learned how to go lightspeed without using the warp?
>>740208716All of the other perpetuals aside from Malcador agree with me btw. They all thought the Emperor was a genocidal and egotistical moron, which is why they refused to work with him. >>740208792Humanity would've built themselves back up to their dark age of technology selves if the Imperium weren't holding them back. And human factions like the Interex were already aware of chaos and some ways to counter it. Imagine if they'd made contact with the other human factions? Imagine if they'd had 10,000 years to grow like the Imperium did? Imagine if a warp demigod and a 100,000 warp soldiers didn't wipe them out of existence before they were allowed to even shine. And that's just ONE faction that the Imperium wiped out.Imagine if the Astranii Machine Empire had met the other human factions? It took THREE Primarchs, three warp DEMIGODS to take them down.
>>740208921A lot of them.At the time of the age of strife there wasn't a big urge to change away from it because the warp was acting really calm.
>>740208964>these fictional characters agree with me!pffft>Humanity would've built themselves back up to their dark age of technology selvesno, they would have died out lmaoyou are a retard incapable of understanding anything, so you don't understand all the things the imperium cleared out that would have bodied the likes of the intrex.The biggest one being the orks, which required the FULL might of the imperium, including the emperor and all his custodians, to break the back of.And if they hadn't been fast about it the orks might have gone back to being krorks.And then you REALLY would see humanity fucked.>muh warp DEMIGODSthey were bigger and stronger humans who had nice toys, anon.stop ignoring the reality of what the space marines ACTUALLY were, with the exception of magnus and the thousand sons.
>>740208964Amazing how you keep dumbing down the people the imperium stomped only to start talking big shit about how strong they would be if they werent stomped.You keep insisting they are simultaneously weak and strong as suits your needs.
>>740208538Chaos vs Nids is a kino matchup as they hard counter each other in different ways.>demons can't feed them so Nids actually have to worry about running out of bodies.>Shadow in the Warp cucks everything all psychers and demons.
>>740209263I like how the anti-Chaos strategy the Tyranids finally settled on was "just shoot them like everyone else does lol"
>>740209317>Chaos charge in for a glorious melee to the death>tyranids just run away and snipe themThings are a lot easier when you aren't worried about gay honor and glory shit
>>740209408I find it amusing that not even demons are immune to having super bile thrown in their face.>THIS IS BATTERY ACID YOU SLIME
>>740208674Chaos ≠ The WarpFulgrim's Laer Blade came from a species that were VERY OBVIOUSLY a bunch of brokeback slaanesh worshippers who obsessed over physical beauty. I'm not too familiar with Tau lore outside of some of the well known stuff, but is it even mentioned where he found the sword?>>740209263the first time Chaos and the 'Nids fought was hilarious.
>>740209580He found it on a dead world in the hands of an alien statue while fighting chaos demons.Chaos demons that decided a dead and deserted planet was worth their time.That incident where he found the blade is also what triggered him breaking away from the empire.That is a long term setup.And just because its not obviously belonging to one god or another like with fulgrim doesnt mean it isn't serving to do the same thing.Ask yourself:Why did Khornate demons ambush him on a dead world, kill off all his ethereals, and finish it off with an epic battle where he desperately grasped an ancient weapon to FIGHT his way to victory?People tend to overlook how Khorne can do things.A single decisive battle in the middle of fucking nowhere just HAPPENED to create a splinter faction of Tau and make their commander effectively immortal... so long as he keeps fighting and winning fights.
>>740209940>Why did Khornate demons ambush him on a dead world, kill off all his ethereals, and finish it off with an epic battle where he desperately grasped an ancient weapon to FIGHT his way to victory?...Because they all wanted said supercharged warp-weapon for themselves? I'm not saying Chaos can't take advantage of the situation but that seems like really underhanded shit for Khorne or his worshippers to pull off just to get another champion on his side. also, Farsight was ALREADY having doubts about the Ethereals, wasn't he? he just couldn't say or really do anything because the Ethereals mindfucked him like everyone else. his Ethereal handler getting killed is what got him to start thinking for himself. the Sword just being there is probably what was attracting the demons, but ANYTHING warp related is gonna be interesting to Chaos purely from a pragmatic view. hell, Vashtorr's entire thing now seems to be hunting down Warp artifacts left behind by the Old Ones (while Be'lakor keeps failing to cockblock him)My money's either on it being one of the 99 Blades of Vaul, or some kind of Necron phase-blade fuckery with timey-wimey shenanigans attached.
>>740209940Isn't Farsight sword have Necron origin? Like the material was Necron stuffs. Also Necron are the enemies of Chaos so Chaos would not want Necron artifacts that could fuck them over fall into their enemies' hand. Those Khornate demons probably there to prevent anyone from taking the sword while they themselves couldn't touch the sword due to their nature.
>>740148859Nah, you're conflating a marketing ploy with popularity.GW has lost such a significant portion of its players that they pivoted to licensing out even more of their setting to video games in another futile attempt to increase the player base.Titus and Space Marine 2 are just the latest figure heads they're shilling because they believe gamers, especially young ones, are easy marks and will jump ship to the tabletop.
>>740152856He'd make a great Vulkan
>>740209940>Chaos demons that decided a dead and deserted planet was worth their time.It wasn't a dead world in the past, and there was a sealed off warp gate thing they opened, and there were a bunch of tau and orc there, so its not like they didn't have emotions to harvest. Tau have tiny souls, but they still have souls. As far as I remember (i read the farsight books earlier in the year), I think it was supposed to be an artifiact of Khorne.
