Why are hardware requirements still going up when graphics stagnated 10 years ago?
>>740151663>>740151687>>740151751>>740151905I don't remember the game looking this blurry, what the fuck did you do to your settings?
>>740151663this does look like an 8 year old game though
>>740152029Post a game from this year that looks better.
>>740152095all of them
>>740151663>no photorealistic reflection from every surface and orificeFucking outdated ps1 graphics. disgusting.
>>740152095Doom the Dark AgesAvatar Frontiers of PandoraIndiana Jones007 First LightDeath Stranding 2
>>740152809Post a screenshot.You DO play video games, right?
>>740151663Hardware requirements will always adjust to what's available, not what's actually needed for the task. Computers being more powerful simply means developers can get away with less optimization. It's not limited to just games, even basic tasks like web browsing require more and more resources every year for no apparent reason.
>>740153713I do, yeah.
>>740151663Because of three major issues:1) Nvidia shills running out of stuff to sell you, SO they create new problems to sell you the solution!In this case, it's the mandatory RT requirements, that result barely any better lighting and reflections than what we had 10+ years ago, but with insane noise and ghosting - that can only be compensated with fancy AI upscalers, filters and other proprietary shit. Which makes things heavy as fuck, further pushing DLSS and framegen.2) EPIC is in the bed with Nvidiacucks, and pushing their Hollywood movie 3D tool, the Unreal 5, to the mainstream market like crazy.That unoptimized piece of shit looks and runs like ass even on a 3D Ryzen 9 + RTX 5090... unless you disable all the Nanite and Lumen slop, which makes it look WORSE than Unreal 4, and still runs worse than it as well.3) Blender troons born and raised by their Youtube 3D donut sculpting tutorials and automated, procedural node-based modeling tools don't understand jack shit about art-design and asset resource budgets.The fore mentioned UE5 shilling also has already hijacked both University and even High school level game development courses, with many professors across the globe already pushing this patronizing "lol you don't NEED to know how to actually code your games / low-poly model things from scratch in the [Current Year]! Just drag & drop Asset Store shit and Blueprints onto your scene, goy!" narrative to create more braindead UE content creators.Low-level programming and manual hand-crafted graphics are quickly disappearing, and with it both the optimization and distinct looks.Eleven years ago, you could indeed play the lastest AAA shit, like the MGSV, Witcher 3, GTA5... etc, on a 1 Gigabyte GTX 560ti + 4-core Intel i5-2500 + 8GB of DDR3 RAM, on a 7200rpm HDD. Today, many games won't even LAUNCH if you have <8GB and lack Gay-Tracing support.To make things worse, some of the most insulting releases already list DLSS and FG as "requirements".
>>740151663How are trannies still saying in the year of our Lord 2026 that Faggot Retard Nigger 2 has good grafix, and then have the fucking audacity to post a screenshot showing it doesn'tNo Faggotstar game will ever have good grafix, btwThey don't know how to make good lighting
>>740152000RDR2 is blurry as fuck. When you're at 4k the game looks like 1440p, and the horrendous input delay makes it feel like it has x4 framegen on. Considering all that, the game doesn't even look that impressive.
>>740153713Kill yourselfYou ARE trans, right?
>>740154354Go away.
>>740154096lol. lmao even. this would look better than rdr2 if we currently resided in retardville, but we do not
>>740154432Well if your proof is the image you posted in the OP pic then yes we do reside in retardville, because RDR2 looks worse. I can obviously tell it's a game from the 2010s by looking at >>740151663
>Why are hardware requirements still going up when graphics stagnated 10 years ago?It's an offshoot of planned obsolescence, which is a core component of infinite grown Ponzi capitalism. So, even if the visuals have bottle-necked over the last decade, the hardware still needed to be sold; thus, the only leaver left was to under-optimise, so as to force continued "upgrading". Think: Apple sidling in downgraded firmware into its older phones, so that Rubes would by the next identical-looking iSlop.However, now that hardware itself will soon become unaffordable by the masses, and no longer viable to mass-produce as such (not even possible, due to associated resource scarcity), the next frontier of racketeering with be subscription based, "cloud computing".
>>740151663Your initial premise is flawed because graphics did not stagnate 10 years ago. They slowed down but they are still improving. The main ways in which it recently improved is LODs, reduction of pop-in, hair and fur rendering, facial animations, and illumination techniques. Just by looking at your first image I can very clearly tell it's not a recent game by looking at the guy on the left's hair, it's got that "late 2010s choppy dithered hair" look going on. Hair in AAAs from the last few years looks dramatically better than that.
>>740154206Good pasta.
>>740154907I literally wrote that just now.But I guess the iPhone tourists are not used to PC keyboard warriors on the interwebs no more either, huh?While at it, reminder that DS1 is 7 years old PS4 game, and it looks and runs better than any modern UE5 shit.
>>740155828Chill out.I'm agreeing with you, it just looks like pasta because of formatting.
>>740154206>but with insane noise and ghostingNot to mention insane propagation/dispersion delay, like turn on a flashlight and it takes visibly a second or 2 to 'fill' the room fully (due to RT being so computationally expensive they have to temporally accumulate data to even provide somewhat presentable output)
>>740155828>DS1 is 7 years old PS4 game, and it looks and runs better than any modern UE5 shitcompletely nuked your credibility with this nonsenseds1 is soft TAAslop with a world that is visually barren and unimpressive, and the character models are blurryDS2 looks way better
>>740154732>The main ways in which it recently improved is LODs, reduction of pop-in, hair and fur rendering, facial animations, and illumination techniquesWow...how fucking exciting...definitely worth paying top dollar for new equipment...
>>740156226always makes me laugh when people wax nostalgic about early TAAslop where there's absolutely zero escape from the blur unless you supersample. Fallen Order is particularly egregious about this.At least with modern TAAslop you have a viable mitigation method (new DLSS/FSR models actually look decent in motion)
>>740156226>ds1 is soft TAAslopNot a problem on PC, and even on my PS4 Pro the game looked great and sharp. And compared to any of the recent UE5 sloppa, like the SH2 demake, the game looks more photorealistic, runs smoother, and has none of the noise issues.>a borderline decade newer game made for a decade newer hardware looks betterWell duh! That's kinda to be expected.>>740156506And you fags are trying to steer the conversation to be all about "muh TAA", and ignore all the temporal instability flaws and hardware crushing flaws of the modern RT era sloppa, that have god-awful 3d models and textures to boot.Also, just like FXAA, there's many ways to implement temporal AA. Those can roughly be split to "shit" and "good".
>>740156703Temporalslop is temporalslop. Why are you so autistic and combative? I am literally agreeing with you. I'm not even the other anon who told you to calm the fuck down, etiher.
>>740157357People who shit on modern games graphics are all for some reason deeply unhappy and combative. Probably because modern games are not fun to play so their hobby is joyless.
>graphics stagnated 10 years agothe difference between 10 years ago and 18 its hardly noticable and no wroth the difference in pricesto answer your question . devs dont optimize shit or they are in bed with hardware companies to force people to buy shit
>>740157507crysis niggas still coping hard
>>740151663>Jedi Survivor>Black Myth Wukong>Microsoft Flight Simulator>Cyberpunk 2077>Returnal>Doom Dark Ages>Horizon games>Metro Exodus EE>KCD2>Avatar Frontiers of Pandora>Death Stranding 2>Indiana Jones>007All these games are graphically superior to RDR2 and to any game from 2016 or older. Note that graphics and artstyle are not the same - Doom Dark Ages for example has very nice graphics from a technical perspective but a mediocre artstyle and visual design. Whereas games like Mirror's Edge don't actually have very good graphics for today's standards but their visual design is so good that it looks timeless.The only way you can prove me wrong is to post some 422x328 screengrab of a youtube thumbnail of one of these games and saying it looks bad.
>>740157598this shit is baked and has no dynamic weather or time of day system unlike Crysis, not sure what you are trying to prove with it.
>>740157598cryisis its there because it was the best looking game of the generation i dont give a fuck about your shitty game vs game shit, droneand battlefront hardly looks different from that 2014 game
>>740157738Doesnt matter, youre comparing graphics. Cryshit looks outdated.>>740157803Wrong, Crysis 3 looks better, Cryshit turds keep losing
>>740159401It matters retard, if the world is static and you can cut down trees or blow up shacks your game looks worse. Simple as.
>>740151663>>740151687>>740151751>>740151905The environments in the KCD games are miles better. there is just way more denisty
>>740157737meh, the progression is probably more obvious to young people. quality wise I would say all those games look similar to each other.
>>740157357>Why are you so autistic and combative?I'm literally neither. I just hate iPhone posters who try to trivialize actual issues, tack on some literal nothing burgers, and try to re-define established terminology.DS looks like a million bucks to this day, and runs 1080p/60fps on a GTX 1050ti, without upscalers.
>>740159627>graphics stagnated(no they didnt)>UHMMMM BUT PHYSICS UHMMMMMMMMM ITS STATIC OR SOMETHING UHHHHH IT DOESNT COUNT OKAY???!!
>>740162857Interactivity is a part of graphics.Looking at static object = movie
>>740162857graphics have hardly changed so yes they stagnated you are a fucking retard if you believe the difference between the first and the second aren't noticable but the third and four are noticable
A whole lot of retards in this thread.Putting aside the debate of whether graphics have significantly improved or not in the past decade, all of you seem to think that hardware requirements are some vast conspiracy or super calculated scheme. It's way simpler than that. It's just a question of time and money.The developer has enough of neither to be testing every possible major configuration of the past 5, 10, 20 years. They will look at the CURRENT market of what people have and start testing from there. E.g. if 50% of steam users have a 3060 or above (which was released in 2021, btw, and probably not even the baseline anymore), they'll probably start testing hardware at that point. If their game can't perform at the level they deem acceptable on that hardware, they'll attempt to meet in the middle somewhere (more software optimization and raising the req bar).On a rare occasion they may be sponsored by a hardware company, and that hardware company may set a different target, but that is far more rare these days than you think, and the offenders were not who you think. The most notorious for doing this was actually Creative Labs strong-arming everyone to develop for various Soundblaster soundcards that no one needed or wanted a couple decades ago.TL:DR; developers aren't going to go dumpster diving to find your poor ass's exact hardware setup from 10 years ago to test their game on, doofus.
>>740164398>They will look at the CURRENT market of what people have and start testing from there. E.g. if 50% of steam users have a 3060sounds retarded because you can opt out of the survey
OP is just a retard with some beer goggles filter appliedhe's a retard who doesn't know what looks good
>>740164398>games hardly looks different from 10 years ago>but now i need a 5070ti to run ityes its your fault for being a shit developer
