>*politely waits their turn*
>passive enemies>simon says parryingI love modern action game design!
>>740177954Yeah this shit was pretty dogshit, felt like positioning didn't matter at all. Idk why games do this thinking its good, if I play it smart I should be rewarded
>>740177954Surely this was only normal and there will be at least 4 higher difficulties
ok who started this shit ass mechanic
oh for fuck sake fuck off capcom
>>740179135One of AssCreeds? 1 or 2. I'm honestly not sure
>>740177954KEK it looks so shit... damn.
>>740178809They'd need to be good difficulty levels to completely change the AI
>>740180995True, the higher difficulties will probably just be the enemies being more spongy/doing more damage
>>740177954Sasaki was KINO t h o.
>>740177954What are some games like this where enemies don't wait for their turn?
>>740177954Don't want to spoil your fun but enemies in old Onimusha games were also pretty passive.
finally a game for honorable gamers
>>740181247onimusha yesninja gaidendevil may crygodhandthe older dynasty warrior games
>>740180995Sifu has a modifier which lets enemies attack simultaneouslyIt doesn't need to completely change the AI, it's not a huge changeAnd it's safe if you're able to cancel your defensive options into themselves e.g. you can cancel a parry into another parry, so you don't get stunlocked by two enemies attacking right after each other
>>740179329AC1 yeah, you had to counter to kill everythingSome enemies couldn't even be damaged any other way, not attacked or grabbed
What's the fandom obssed with trying to get people or hate this? Sekiro cucks? Nioh cucks? Your studios will always be toilet tissue Capcom uses to wipe their ass with.
>>740177954>instead of doing a proper dodging animation>do a transparent ghost and frame shiftwhat a cheap ass approach
>>740177954>ParryPass.
>>740177954Even the bamham enemies would throw a punch at you while you were beating off their pal.
>>740181247stellar bladenot sure if hard mode makes enemies more aggressive but there are parts of the game where if you go headfirst into a pack of enemies that will fuck your shit up even if it's just a bunch of common enemies
>>740181664>ninja gaidennah has a 1-2 attacker limit for humanoids.>devil may cryalso usually 1 attacker limit.>godhandlvl1-3 have pretty strict attacker limits but I think even DIE still limits max active enemies (though you do get pummeled by at least 3+ at once).
>>740180995Letting the AI be more aggressive isn't exactly rocket surgery
>>740177954Hate this game design trope.It's super common sadly.
>>740179135>ok who started this shit ass mechanicZelda Ocarina of Time
>>740185652OoT doesnt have a parry mechanic, you retard
>>740177954hope this is easy modo
devil may cry enemies do not attack you when they're offscreen, no matter the gameit's just that this one example fails at creating the illusion enemies are always trying to kill you.
>>740185652enemies don't wait for their turn in OoT
>>740187425I think they do, at least Stalfos and Lizalfos do as long as you z-target one of them
>>740177954They have honor
>>740187425>>740187469Yeah, they do be like that.
>>740177954why do AAA devs do this? I'm making a game and my enemies attack all at one, so I gave the player the tools to handle that instead of making them take turns. Is that bad design?
>>740187525yeah
capcom has been all style no substance for a long time now
>>740187545why?
>>740181247any ninja gaiden
>>740181664>devil may crythey do
>>740181441These zoomers have never played the Onimusha games, I am sure the enemies will be at least as aggressive as those were as you move further in the game past the first enemies that are just fodder for teaching you to kill or to fill out mobs. It's not even meant to be a super hard action game.
>>740185210>DIE still limits max active enemiesiirc its every enemy on screen within a certain distance(probably the radar) and enemies that are directly behind you.
>>740181664Unironically Batman Arkham Knight on hard lol. Despite memes enemies bombard you with shit. I finished it couple of days ago just after playing NG4 and its DLCs on Master Ninja and was suprised how aggressive enemies in Bamham game are and how punishing it gets when you fuck up.
>>740179135Kung Fu movies
>>740181247The Sopranos on PS2
>>740187585Normoids (99.99% of your players) are braindead
>>740177954Movie fight scenes do this retarded shit too.>ten henchmen against protag>only attacks one or two at a time
I was wondering what the combat of the game was gonna be like, Sekiro or Souls or whatever. Batman Arkham wasn't what I was expecting.
>>740187884how about fuck'em? I'd rather appeal to my fellow gamers
>>740187902This plays nothing like Bamham are you retarded? Bamham is very movement based and is designed around counters and magnetism towards enemy models during attack animation startup frames. I played AK 2 days ago and today this demo. You faggots just sometimes say most braindead bullshit i swear.
>>740188025You can literally play Batman just by button mashing the counter button in some encounters.
>>740179135Almost every beat em up ever made. So, double dragon maybe? The mechanic is good, it's all about the application >>740181247Musou games, some of them at least.
>>740183845learn to be shapeless and flow like water bitch
>>740188076You mean very early in the game. You cant do that like 3 hours into the story because game introduces enemies that require you to dodge or enemies with weapons and shields and other stuff where counter spam doesnt work and will get you smoked instantly. Im not saying that Bamham is some amazing mechanically deep combat system but I dont like faggots lying and you're doing this right now.
>>740187674>Didn't play DMD
>>740177954Surely this is just because it's the tutorial area for parrying, right?
>>740188528makes no difference, the offscreen trick to not get gangbanged is especially mandatory in DMD btw.
The fucked up part is that they actually implemented enemy grabs as a punishment mechanic for just standing still...............but then also gave you a special "counter grabs" parry mechanic. It's so tiring.
>>740177954Legit, all action games have this problem that enemies just stand around and wait to get hit.I think it would be much better if all enemies tried to gank up and attack the player at once, but you get cool moves, positioning tools and powerful attacks that can hit multiple enemies at once to deal with them and maybe you can even use the envoirement in creative ways too.
>>740188560Yeah. Entire demo is glorified tutorial even the boss fight is. Really bad choice for a demo honestly because its clear this is just after actual intro when Musashi gets gauntlet. These enemies also were this way in old Onimusha games though basically walking very slowly towards player while dragging their swords on ground. Parry was also in old games and was really OP but it worked differently - you had to time your attack with enemy attack instead of using block button.
>>740177954Yeah, I haven't played the demo yet, but lots of anons said this was one of the issues they noticed. The AI only attacks one at a time, so it makes even easier than it already is. The parry window is apparently very long and easy to land as well.
>>740188914Modern action games being deathly afraid of putting the player in a checkmate situation is what's killing them
>>740187525>I'm making a game and my enemies attack all at one>Is that bad design?Jury's still out on that one
>>740189346>equip a greatsword>sweep and stagger whole enemy groupsI finished that game with zero issues just to see the whole internet shit itself crying about it later
>>740189312mork go fuck yourself
>>740189346Dark Souls 2, we were too harsh on you. You're still a piece of shit on the carpet flooring, but maybe they had the right idea.
okayis this turn based souls game?they wait their turns and so slow
>>740177954nice, it's like an actual kurosawa movie
>>740177954This looks really slow and lame
>>740187807weeb "character action" retards have been pretending kino like arkham and old gow play themselves when they're very fun and challenging on hard but it's not made in japan so it's bad
You niggers really need to play for honor
>>740177954Ninja gaiden has way worse defensive options and theres always like two ninjas attacking you at the same time or at least theyre programmed to always try to come to the rescue when youre doing a 6 hit combo on their friendStop making games for invalids
>>740187902looks nothing like arkhamyou know what it looks like? the first few asscreeds lol
I told you people this was going to be like the classic Assassins Creed games
any info on the dark realms?
>>740190189banham style combat is a simon says rhythm game>if red simon says dodge >if yellow or white simons says press parryit's fun but let's not kid ourselves here
>>740181247Revenge gear
>>740187768No, DIE has a limit of 3 enemies attacking at once, and since some enemies have higher attack range than the other they can hit you while the enemy in front of you counts as "inactive" since his attack string is finished
>>740177954Well yeah, you might hit your own guy if you rush in swingingnlike a madman.
>>740177954I could already tell from the demo that fighting anything but bosses is going to 100% be just going through the motions waste of time. The only way they can salvage this is to make hard mode available from the start and polish it enough that it's not garbage like you'd expect from capcom.
>>740190707you can reduce any game system to a single meme sentence gotchathere's a very in depth move list with dozens of fighting game-likes inputs, excellent enemy variety that counter spamming the same moves, optional challenge modes focused on combo chaining, etc.it's like yakuza where fighting street mobs just mindlessly spamming two moves is boring and shallow but you get to underground coliseum on hardest and have to actually engage with mechanics and your whole toolkit and it becomes really fun
>>740189423>In this game about freedom of builds and NOT being able to swap build during combat I stumbled upon one that works>All those who picked a weapon they enjoyed which didn't have good crowd control have skill issue ;)fromcultists everyone.
>>740190627I was really hoping this was one of those games where animations can't be interrupted so the guy would stand up then dieWould have made it a 10/10
>>740185254but are the devs willing to put it into the game
>>740190389>Ninja gaiden has way worse defensive optionsyou can spam iframes in ninja gayden
>>740181664>>740187674They do wait - as in they have a CD and don't keep flailing all at the same time at you - but DMC has multiple monsters attacking you at the same time.DMC enemies besides bosses won't attack you if they are off screen wich can be exploited
>>740190805interesting
>>740178625Some people are unable to play smart and they outnumber you by the thousands.
>>740177954then the opposite is kcd1 clunky combat instead of proper combat
>>740177954this webm single-handedly made me remove the game from my wishlist. devs dont realize how dangerous /v/ is with a single honest or dishonest webm.
>>740191130there are a gorillon options, the game doesn't require a specific moveset to be beaten and enjoyed. granted I didn't play SOFTS but base game is not remotely as ganky as people make it out to be after the first two areas
>>740181247DMC series and Doom on the hardest difficulty had me getting jumped all the time.
>>740181247fighting games like tekken
>>740191104>yakuza>engage with mechanicsthe fuck are you on about, bosses are horrible back/side jab cheese assuming you don't just tiger drop everything
>enemy changes his mind mid-attackFROMSOFTWARE HIRE THIS MAN
>>740193450jesus christ
>/v/ doesn't like it>tfw i almost soifaced when i did the instakill attack by mistakeit's over for me...
I never played any of the Onimusha games, how are they?
>>740194253imagine resident evil prior to RE4, but you have a sword instead of guns
>>7401942531-3 are great and hold up
>>740194253only played the first one. The pre-rendered backgrounds are super pretty and the game felt great to play. Only downside is that the "puzzles" were really really easy
>>740181247dark souls :)
>>740178625>>740177954like 90% of people cant actually multi task.a large portion of the people who cant multi task get an actual anxiety type stress response and freeze up in multi task situations.
>>740194321Except the one with Jean Reno, he had a gun
>>740181247in Project Goblin, enemies only stop to taunt you
>>740189312Mork, go save yourself, you're our last hope against retards
>>740179135DMC4 had it
>>740178625>>740192137>>740194496From decades of journo reviews and YouTube shit, it's become clear that most people want games with 3D graphics that "flatten" design as much as possible. They don't want games that actually take advantage of 3D space. Look at how many retards complain about "bad cameras" because if an enemy goes offscreen for so much as a nanosecond they start pissing and shitting themselves. God forbid you use audio cues, mechanics that help with controlling combat, or just basic object permanence skills. No, I need the enemy onscreen doing a retarded dance and- actually know that's not enough, have them also flash a color before they do their attack because I can't be bothered to actually pay attention to anything.
>soulslikewhyOnimusha plays excellently, just make the new game play like the original onesexcept the timed sliding block puzzles holy fucking SHIT get that shit out of there
>>740193450>Star Wars: The Last Jedi (2017)
