Wait... so Aerith and Tifa were both references to sex workers?
>>740196927it was a metaphor for all women being whores - that's why ff7 is one of the greatest games of all time.
>>740196927Tifa booba
>>740197067Aerith is introduced selling flowers in the slums. Historically (particularly in Victorian London, but also in certain Asian cultural euphemisms), "selling flowers" was sometimes a front for casual prostitution by destitute women.Tifa runs a bar in a rough slum, wears a highly sexualized outfit, and uses her inherent appeal to draw in customers to Seventh Heaven. Not to mention by using cheat codes to access an unused Honeybee Inn lobby room (known in the files as ONNA_1), players found a fully programmed front desk menu. The menu listed the Inn's "special courses" (including a 30-minute and 150-minute session) and explicitly listed Tifa as one of the available girls/newest applicants. There is also unused text showing NPCs in the Inn gossiping about Tifa. The dialogue mentions rumors that the notoriously cute girl from Sector 7 had been seen "out and about hunting for men," implying she had turned to the Honeybee Inn out of desperation. And a man hanging around the Wall Market gives Cloud a joke key item called "Mystery Panties." According to the unused text, this man was originally an obsessive customer who had stolen Tifa's underwear from Seventh Heaven.
Was it really necessary for cloud to dress like a girl
No. Doesn't stop retards reading shit in so they can jerk off to it though.
>>740197503Don't forget that when Cloud and the party finally reach the upper floors of the Shinra building to rescue Aerith, they find her locked in a glass containment pod. Professor Hojo then introduces a feral, snarling Red XIII into the pod with her.Hojo's explicit, stated goal in this scene is forced cross-breeding.
>>740196927no
>>740197503>Historically (particularly in Victorian London, but also in certain Asian cultural euphemisms), "selling flowers" was sometimes a front for casual prostitution by destitute women.This is complete bullshit by the way. Just flat out invented at some point. You'll notice when you try to find the source that most of them are pointing to...claims that Aerith is a prostitute.
>>740196927Im afraid soeven yuffie is based on kunoichi, which historically used their sex appeal to sleep with enemies and kill them post coitus
>>740197547What I'm more curious about is why Cloud felt the need to go the extra mile with the lingerie, cologne, and tiara.
>>740197918Even i knew, as a kid, that flower girls were a nice way for calling prostitutes.
>>740196927Always was, senpai
>>740197067Cloud is also a whore thoughever
>>740198134Yuffie's donut seems tighter.
>>740196927Whoa Anon, it barely took you 30 years to figure it out.>inB4 "j-just 29"Don't be autistic.
>>740197761Thanks anon, for pointing out an extremely obvious scene that is very clearly shown and explained to players during their playthrough, as opposed to obscure and unused content. I never would have realized it.
>>740196927One was a bartender in the slums, and the other was a "Flower Girl". It ain't rocket science.
>>740198647Well, some people only played the remake games. In the Remake, they recognized that this specific scene was far too jarring and visually problematic to render in high-definition photorealism.So in the new game while Hojo still puts a feral Red XIII in the tank with Aerith, the immediate threat is presented as Red XIII violently attacking her to test her combat data, rather than mating with her.Hojo does still talk about his desire to forcefully breed Aerith to preserve her species, but he mutters to himself about using "S-Type or G-Type SOLDIERs" (super-soldiers like Cloud and Sephiroth) as the fathers, rather than an animalistic species that crosses the bestiality category.
Tifa is built for bring broken in and bred by Corneo
so many nigcels in this thread. sorry chuds, cloud gets both the girls
>>740197949Yeah, in the real-world feudal Japan, female ninjas often operated by posing as geishas, entertainers, concubines, or sex workers to infiltrate enemy strongholds, gather intelligence, or assassinate targets. Seduction was a primary and expected weapon in their arsenal.
>>740197918https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/lsehistory/2024/03/08/a-womans-work-londons-flower-sellers/ sites works that state the flower girls who sold their wares at night were definitely prostitutes
>>740198042This is what's commonly known as flower girls
>>740198856This but my wife Cloud and me instead of Corneo
>>740198042Yeah you were a stupid retard then and a stupid retard now it seems
>>740197918It is a fabrication by the western fandom, that bled to the eastern fandom, they keep using the other fandom as proof of veracity.
>>740199143>>740199127>The flower sellers were also recorded by journalists as either selling in the day or night. Those who sold in the day were seen as the more virtuous as those who sold at night were understood to be selling more than flowers. In fact, the term flower girl ultimately became synonymous with prostitute. However, the result was that the night sellers could make around £3 a week, while those who sold only during the day might only make ten shillings.>The case of one flower seller was recorded by Henry Mayhew in the Morning Chronicle in 1849. This girl recounted being sent out by her parents at age nine to sell flowers and would rarely be home before midnight. Eventually, by the age of 13, neither her father nor mother worked, relying solely on the money their daughter made through prostitution.
>>740199127>blogsDude...
The game came out in 1997 and people still deny Aerith and Tifa were sluts. This level of cope is insane.
>>740196927Yep. Tifa was my waifu until they uncovered her past of prostitution. Now I end the game as a volcel always, as I guess squeenix wanted.
>>740199298h-hot
>>740198726Why is girls kissing so hot?
>>740197067>metaphorDon't say this word here.
>>740199427A blog that cites Street Life in London, Adolphe Smith, 1877, London Labour and the London Poor, Henry Mayhew, 1851, and Toilers in London; or Inquiries concerning Female Labour in the Metropolis, British Weekly Commissioners, 1889.
>>740196927I used to not believe it, but in the new novel Nojima keeps going on and on about Tifa selling her delicious manju/buns day and night to survive in the slums or something, saying how her buns were the most delicious and popular with all the men in the slums. I found it weird how he lingered on that so much.
>>740197547it's funny
>>740199635This is still part of the game btw, being "cut" just means it was hidden, but her backstory remains unchanged.
>>740196927as is Cloud
>>740197067>>740197503This. FF7 was made in peak edgy time (later 90's) by twin peaks fans.>>740197918>Larping agaisnt roman sources, arab sources, renaissance, chinese sourcesHoly retarded.
>>740198042Yeah it's an age-old euphemism, terminal onlinedom was a mistake.>umm when i google it the first three results are faggots like me arguing about it on a video game forum, that must mean the term originated in video games
>>740199830Liar.>In the official Final Fantasy VII Remake prequel novel, Traces of Two Pasts (written by Kazushige Nojima), Tifa's early days in Midgar are explored. When she first arrives in the slums, she is deeply in debt and highly vulnerable. The narrative explicitly mentions that she was pressured toward entering the sex trade—where she could have quickly paid off her debts—but she completely despised the idea and firmly refused, choosing instead to rely on her martial arts training and eventually opening her bar, where she sold her popular buns.
>>740199818Idk anon, I have two first books and it says nothing of the sort. Tell me the page and I can look it up.
I can't believe they had sex with other men for money... this was meant to be a... Final... Fantasy...
>>740200556The first book https://www.victorianlondon.org/publications/thomson-3.htm>but how different is the position of this woman to that of Isabelle, the favourite flower-girl of the Paris Jockey Club. Complimented by almost all the crowned heads of Europe, in receipt of £400 a year from the Jockey Club, living in a most luxurious apartment, endowed with a fine collection of diamonds, besporting herself in a neat little brougham, this notorious Parisian flower-girl cannot be compared, morally speaking, with the rough and simple woman whose portrait is before the reader. Notwithstanding her ample income, it is well known that Isabelle refused to give £30 a year to save her mother from starvation; and her meanness caused so great a scandal, that the Jockey Club withdrew its patronage from her, and the popular favourite fell into merited disgrace. The flower-women of Covent Garden are not gifted with the artistic instinct and coquettish charms of Isabelle, but warmer hearts beat beneath their hoddin-grey than ever stirred the black and yellow satin of the Jockey Club. That is obviously a prostitute.And this is a page from the third book. https://archive.org/details/toilersinlondono00brituoft/page/n19/mode/2up
>>740199948In cut content Tifa also flirts with Barret to bait Cloud
>>740199730Because of your porn addiction
>>740196927Why do you think Tifa went on a solo mission to have sex with Don Corneo, instead of looking for her childhood friend who fell from height of several hundreds of feet?
>>740196927>Tifa>literally plagiarized from Nomura's personal nasty fap material https://i.4cdn.org/v/1780504583283294.jpg , an actual 1993(=97-4) eroge cheap whore>has a voice and gookface modeled after an IRL cheap whore >>739913285 >>739956752 since she's 14 back in 1996.>still believe this thing is anything else than an overly whitewashed nasty secondhand fap material appeals to illiterate cucks.
>>740200523Bro, try reading the novel. Pages upon pages of Tifa selling her steamed buns. The owner even tells her she's slow and sloppy but the customers keep coming because of her looks.
>>740199730because you are a cuck
>>740201048I'm crying right now. I can't believe this.
>>740200817Cringe
>>740200767so you and other illiterates living in the shithole with you have never been educated about this?>>740201048>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8ZmYX_akAIECHA.jpg>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8ZmcMObQAEoCp4.png>https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G8ZmGB6akAA0WZg.png>お饅頭売り, which was appended to Tifa's backstory in some Nojimbo's sloppy retcon novellas, generally suggests おまんこ売り/yotaka the cheapest whores to casual nip ears.
>>740199635Her life is her business and I wish people would stop bringing it up.
>>740197503After 30 years I have learned something new
>>740197949Yes. Godo also calls Yuffie's outfit highly scandalous and improper.
>>740197547It was a simpler time of (cuz it's funny) rather then a pro tranny humiliation ritual. Playing that section in 97 is when I thought "This is the greatest game I have ever played"They upgraded it to Cloud being a good Magic Mike dancer for similar lolz.
>>740199635The real interesting thing is they give you the choice to care like a cuck, and the option to not gaf. I guess the options where you cared gave you Tifa affection points.
>>740198134She wants Aerith's leftovers. Tifa too actually.
>>740201932>Hoo-HeeWhy is Cloud celebrating his childhood friend being a famous whore?>you've got it all wrong!This one is really sad, I wouldn't choose it.
Why do so many individuals on this site so adamantly want to interpret everything as cuckoldry and get particularly excited about characters like this? To the point that, while they could simply rely on conventional sources to address their belief, and simply state "I believe it is this way based on this" they also try to tie in things only relevant by assumption or that has been edited out. Expressly for the purpose of exaggerating an implication into a comedic caricature. It's not enough for the story to be "It is implied this woman is not entirely virtuous" they HAVE to make her the biggest whore possible.Tifa, now we have another outburst in regards to GoW's Faye, Shadowheart has people dedicated to pointing out facets of her character, I recall some people pushed similar ideas with Pyrrha and Mythra.
>>740202119>>Hoo-Hee>Why is Cloud celebrating his childhood friend being a famous whore?yabba dabba doo...
>>740201494The images highlight a controversy among Japanese fans regarding Tifa's backstory, specifically, the period where she is trying to pay off her debts upon arriving in Midgar, something added by Nojima in the novel Traces of Two Pasts. In the official lore (adapted into games like Final Fantasy VII: Ever Crisis), Tifa makes money by selling manju (steamed meat or sweet buns). A screenshot from a Final Fantasy game shows Tifa asking, "Which manju would you like?" alongside text about her struggling with unfamiliar manju-selling work to pay off debt.However, the images show Japanese netizens pointing out that the writers chose a food with a very heavy, historically sexual connotation. This term, "manju," not only has been used as a slang term for a woman's private parts, but is also deeply associated with Edo-period prostitution, specifically the term "funamanju" (boat manju), which referred to women who sold themselves on boats. One historical anecdote claims that prostitutes would actually hold a manju to hook customers, asking them, "How about my manju too?".Because of this historical context, the Japanese fandom had varied, highly polarized reactions to Tifa being written as a "manju seller":Some fans express mild surprise, wondering if the writers deliberately used a "naughty" secret word.On anonymous message boards, detractors use this slang to aggressively insult Tifa's character design, referring to her as a "bun seller" and a "whore," claiming she "only sells on the basis of her erotic nature".Ultimately, this shows why the sex worker theory persists so strongly in Japan. Even though Square Enix explicitly stated in the Traces of Two Pasts novel that Tifa firmly refused to enter the sex trade to pay her debts, the writers simultaneously chose to have her make a living selling a street food that doubles as historical slang for prostitution.
>>740202146it's different in god of war because it's used to make kratos the subject of mockery, as criticism of the writingin ff7 it's just heavily implied that aerith and tifa are prostitutes. And it might get exaggerated in an argument when people completely deny that the implication exists
>>740199730it's not and you're a homosexual if you think it is
>>740202283Why is Nojima like this? Real talk. I've noticed that Nojima is always pulling these weird NTR scenarios in FF games, starting with the FFX-3 bullshit. FF8 also had deleted content where Rinoa is teasing Squall about her past relationship with Seifer, in an attempt to make Squall jealous, and in the Ultimania for that game you had excepts from Nojima saying that Rinoa is as fickle as her mother, jumping from Seifer to Squall, exactly how Julia jumped from Laguna to General Fury. Or that the game was about Squall and Rinoa learning about love, and that they might not even be together or happy in the future.
>>740200075My boy is pure!
>>740199730>>740200871>>740201082>>740202503kissing girls is the most heterosexual thing on this planet
>>740200817Why is Tifa like this? I didn't mind with Johnny because we barely see him, but Barret is a party member and a comrade of Cloud. Trying to sow discord between them is a Jezebel thing to do.
>>740200339this artist must be a yuffiefag (and for good reason)
>>740202283Thank you chadgpt, we all know she's selling her "hairy omanjuu" to multiple slum punks everyday before she even reached adulthood, just as her gookface JPVA irl >>739956752>And this's the reason why this PLAGIARIZED Hgame dumb whore >>740201048 canonically wears a fucking BLACK LINGERIE at age 15 (under that cowgirl outfit).>and has a pink "forcing-child-to-look-like-adult" / "forcing-child-to-do-adult-thing" one in her closet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmZGX0VpzLY&t=4360
>>740197067Fpbp
Aerith? Kissing me. Tifa? Sucking my dick. Yuffie? Eating my ass. Cloud? In the cuck chair.
>>740196927In Tifa's case it's not a metaphor, just her backstory.
>>740202465I would argue that Tifa is the more heavily implied individual in regards to that charge. Aerith you could make an argument but it seems to hinge overly heavy on the "Flower girl" term. The thing is that if you accept the use of "Flower girl" was innuendo, narratively that is used to loop in on itself and instead assert Aerith as an iddylic girl in contrast to Tifa. As Flowers are actually a genuinely rare and valuable object. It's like a reverse double Entendre.
>>740203408Cloud boys, we are absolute cucks. Johnny had Tifa first. We should have just had gay sex with Corneo.
>>740203086It's literally gay. What do you think was the tip of the spear that was the LGBT movement? It started with hot lesbians in the 90s before anything else to get coomers like you to admit being gay was actually kinda hot sometimes.
>>740203479that's true, with tifa it's pretty explicitwith aerith it mostly rests on "flower girl"
There are plenty of 6-15 year old girls selling flowers in tourist areas in euro cities. IDK if they’re outright hookers but the older ones dress sluttier and get friendly
>>740196927>demake devs are too cowardly to kill off Aerith againFF apologists will never recover from this.
>>740196927I know the meme anout Aerith, but guys she is protected by Shinrah, her mom probably receives money for simply raising her. They even have the right to get a good looking house in that shithole.
>>740203524sorry but the statistics don't lieheterosexual men love lesbians. only literally gay men hate it (you)
>>740203698She just does it for the love of the gameThe game is selling flowers
>>740203287I had to make Gemini decipher your post, because you're very cryptic in how you explain things.
>Tifa is a whore!!!>Aerith is the bigger whore!!!!I think I'll just play something else. A game where girls aren't whores.
>>740203698Elmyra's husband left them money, Shinra dgaf
>>740203642Offer them money for sex and tell us the result anon
>>740203904I’m an American
>>740203834Which game?
>>740201048Oh snap. He ripped that design/fighting style right off.
>>740203514Sephiroth and Barret are fighting for Cloud's hand. Barret got disappointed in Tifa and dumped her.
>>740203973It goes deeper.The Visuals: Misao Aoyama has long dark hair with side-swept bangs, a white crop top, a black mini-skirt, and red footwear/gloves. The visual resemblance to Tifa's classic design is striking. The Catfight: In the eroge, Misao has a physical catfight with another woman named Kaori. Fans claim this directly inspired the famous "slap fight" on the Junon cannon between Tifa and Scarlet.The Highwind Scene: In the visual novel, Misao has an outdoor romantic scene with the protagonist at a park at night. Fans claim this inspired Masato Kato (the FF7 event planner) when he wrote the famous "Under the Highwind" scene for Cloud and Tifa.The "30 Years Ago" Quote: In a recent interview regarding FF7 Rebirth, scenario writer Kazushige Nojima mentioned that the game's dating/affection mechanics reminded him of playing dating sims from "30 years ago." Conspiracy theorists latched onto this, noting that 30 years prior to Rebirth was exactly when Can Can Bunny Extra was at peak popularity
>>740201048Poor Nomura man. You rip 1 (one) design of your gooning waifu and people don't let you forget it ever.
>>740197067noooo that's NOT a metaphor!!
>>740198198I didn’t know cloud was Russian
>>740202712Square just doesn't work without Sakaguchi to reign all the gay boys in. They were mostly fine with him around but once he made that shitty movie and got fired nothing was left to hold Nomura, Nojima, and Toriyama back.
>>740198134>Yuffie has a whoreish slit donut (pussy) covered in crusty filth>Aeris has a robust high-throughput donut for tasking massive shits, with a perfect pink glazed surface
>>740203534>>740203479They're both whores. Take Aerith backstory with Zack Fair. In a classic film noir or cyberpunk media, the innocent girl getting swept up by a smooth-talking, military-man-about-town is a classic setup for a tragic, loss-of-innocence backstory.Then you take the "flower girl" thing, where the phrase "selling flowers" was a well-known euphemism for prostitution, particularly for destitute young women operating in the slums or red-light districts after dark, and apply that real-world historical trope to Aerith's introduction, she will fit the profile perfectly:>She is a poor girl living in a massive, polluted industrial slum.>She wanders the dangerous entertainment districts (like Wall Market and the Loveless Avenue area in Sector 8) at night.>She approaches strange men (like Cloud) in the dark to offer them a flower for a few Gil.
Reminder that Nomura is a big fan of Baz Luhrmann’s movies, which is the main reason there’s a big musical in the Rebirth game.https://youtu.be/IAonPe_wPeAYou can bet he liked this movie.
>>740201932Ho hee!
>>740204974>Cancan Dancer>>740204340>>740201048>Can Can Bunny Extra>When the game was expanded for the Final Fantasy VII Remake in 2020, the Honeybee Inn was reimagined as a high-end, theatrical cabaret rather than a clandestine brothel.
>>740203269Best date
>>740202712>NojimaMost disk 1 scenarios were written by toriyama (the guy who made the cuck plot of bahamut lagoon)
>>740198042No you didn't.
>>740200454Then why is there no source for this?
>>740200339>>>Larping agaisnt roman sources, arab sources, renaissance, chinese sourcesPost them.
>>740202712Anons told me it was Toriyama injecting the NTR scenarios. Is it all of them?
>>740196927nomura used his jerkoff material (based)
>>740205501>>740205584Yeah, no. Nojima is into that shit as well. What he did with FFX is criminal.
>>740202712He also described Cloud and Tifa's hug as a one night stand (literally why?)
>>740203698Yup. Aerith wasn't no broke ass slum drunk.
>>740204456Of he did it once he did it many times. Only god knows how many of his designs are actually original.
>>740204673Aerith? Destitute?
Cut content points toward Tifa working her way up to Don Corneo as a Honeybee Inn girl. The extent of what she got up to while working there isn't stated, but someone still tried to slip this stuff in.https://youtu.be/H-Xpf_hn8g4?si=vT8VLb0kQQ9ybEwh
>>740196927Tifa "Please Fuck Me" Lockhart wishes she could get some sex work.
>>740203698She's the "rebel girl" trope. To go even deeper, she's Laura Palmer of FF7.
>>740200817lmao wth
>>740201932Wait a fucking second. Is that Wedge's brother? Tifa what the fuck
>>740203642They dress slutty to make your brain associate flowers with sex, so you dont resist the next time they offer to sell you some.
>>740206334>she's Laura Palmer of FF7Who's Tifa then, Donna?
>>740206638Much of Audrey too. The honey bee inn is the same flow of the one-eyed jack section.
>>740196927>>740197067>>740197503I like sex workers. They have sex with you for money and then leave you alone afterwards so you can play your videogames in peace.
>>740207229>The honey bee inn is the same flow of the one-eyed jack sectiongreentext the similarities, I don't believe you
>>740206394>In that semi-whitewashed whorehouse script, Wedge ackshually has a brother Kwedge.https://www.nicozon.net/player.html?video_id=sm14381614Originally that should be smth like she's already been Avalanche's (and particularly Wedge's) free cumtoilet before whitewashing.>https://m4.imhentai.xxx/013/yc9ow5tszu/3.jpg>https://m4.imhentai.xxx/013/yc9ow5tszu/9.jpg
The Tifa-chan here which thousands of johns at that pre-whitewashed whorehouse called her must be "Boing-chan" originally as well. >>740207401https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/737733205/#737739829>https://m5.imhentai.xxx/019/acu5z7v6wd/4.jpg>https://m5.imhentai.xxx/019/acu5z7v6wd/6.jpg
>>740207269>Corneo do a "test run" of the girls that work in honey bee inn>Audrey's dad did literally the same, and almost did with her when she infiltrated his brothel>Her dad was also a shinra adjacent, rich, corrupt mf who was one of the main villains
>>740206638I genuinely don’t remember tifa ever being a direct enabler to aerith, she had her own interests in mind and was not dragged along. I guess they were friendly acquaintances but I feel they overplayed the bff angle in the new games.
>>740206008For all the Remake haters there is an autistic level of attention to detail of how much of this cut content is in the new stuff. I never made the connection that the random NPC here that talks about his pure relationship is this guy (similar dialoge too)
>>740202712So Rinoa and Squall don't end up together, Tidus and Yuna break up, Cloud and Tifa don't work out even without geostigma or Sephiroth. Is there any pairing he thinks would be good together?
>>740200339Call me a cuck, but I would date or even marry a former sex-worker (but only a former sex-worker)>>740207267For me, I like them, cause they are the only women who let me have sex with
>>740208109Remakes sanitized a lot, an fucked many characters.>>740208449They somehow got even Jessie in the mix too. How do her mother get money to suppor her husband?
>>740196927Tifa and Aerith are based on a Jewish god called Tiferet that signify beauty and glory and represents the perfect balance between opposing spiritual forces.
>>740208449I'm currently in the middle of a modded FFVII run with the new translation and cut content, I plan on going back to Remake/Rebirth to see what I notice. Even Johnny having more of a presence early in the Remake isn't anything new, as well as the whole thing where Cloud gets effectively "kicked out" after getting paid, this stuff is there in FFVII cut content depending on if you give Marlene or Tifa the flower. Giving Tifa the flower gives you a whole bunch of extra scenes that show similar story beats to Remake.
>>740208493>For me, I like them, cause they are the only women who let me have sex withEh, I've had sex with non-sex-worker women, those are worse, they drain you money AND your energy AND your time. Far more costly than sex workers. You ain't missing out.
>>740199298> Yes, the developers were referencing obscure English historical triviaThe things morons will make themselves believe for their magical realm
>>740203287why are transgender people so obsessed with underwear shots?
>>740197761...is there any....supplementary material that explores alternate scenarios where his goals were...successful?
>>740209287>The aerithschizo fumes
>>740197547Back then it was seen as comical and absurd.Now it's a whole religion, reason why I think they should have cut it off from the remake.
>>740207267They're not "sex workers" they're prostitutes.
>>740209551mental illnessu seem brown
>>740198198I didn't know Cloud is a russian
>>740210024thank you for saying it again.
>>740209662Mental illness document
>>740196927>They all had her but cloud cloud married her
>>740197503>Aerith is introduced selling flowers in the slums [and] "selling flowers" was sometimes a front for casual prostitution by destitute women.This was certainly played on, but the game makes it very clear that Aerith is truly an innocent soul. Aerith even brushed off some dudes that mistook her wholesome trade for actual sex work.
>>740199730Because you are a porn addicted cuck. Buy yourself a cuck chair, loser.
>>740199730Because you are basedDon't let the crabs keep you in the bucked, king, men were meant to have harems, and girls in your harem should play with each other
>>740210494
Is this entire board just schizos smugly declaring that no one can refute the cryptic visions revealed only to them by the demons living in their heads?
>>740210590>>740199730>Sexual acts where I am not involved are so hotSpoken like true incels.
>>740210380>Used and tossed by Zack
>>740210976It's hot because they are warming up for me
>>740211208crisis core confirmed that he never actually scored with her and that she broke up with him after him and Cloud went missing for years.
>>740197067Truth Nuke if ever I saw one
>>740211208The NTR is off the charts
>>740199298The japanese Kanjoy for "Flower girl" is prostitute. It was weird they didnt use the other kanji "Flower Seller" instead. Like they meant to tell you she was a prostitute.
>>740198134If youre dick isnt thick enough to stretch our Aerith, you may as well start on hrt
>>740211208I sound like a broken record at this point, but you should see the cut Honeybee Inn content. It's all but outright stated that Zack went there to get his dick wet and made comments there to a girl about how he doesn't even really like Aerith and that he's tired of her following him around. Of course, that flies in the face of his later characterization, he was originally a very different character and now he seems to genuinely like Aerith, still funny that someone on Square staff tried to fucking go there.
>>740205642That book was comedy lol>Kills Tidus nonchalantly>Subplot of parallel characters full with NTR>Meme coreEvery modern ff7 game or book whitewashed everyone.The latest book had Tifa screming out shes a virgin and loves Cloud. embarassning.
>>740201932That's intentional anon, since the prostitution in FF7 is actually very relevant, intrinsically and masterfully tied to the plot. First of all, you have to understand the kind of whores they represent, and their relationship with Cloud. Aerith is the redeemed saint-like whore who died for their sins. Bonus points for them because they don't give in to their lust to sleep together.Tifa is the selfish whore who didn't repent for her sins and selfishly clings to the guy she ignored in the past because he became a chad, the narrative will constantly punish her for it.It all ties to the highwind scene and the sequels, as it presents two choices.>You can choose to be a douche volcel who doesn't get pussy but keeps his dignity.>Or you can choose to be a cuck, deny reality and get with the girl regardless, you get sex but lose your self-respect.These two choices are so masterfully done and perfectly represent today's choices for men, too. Square enix really was a master in realistic storytelling in the past, having to "censor" the scenes so players' wouldn't mald was the beginning of the end for them. Even if they kept the hints and consequences there.
>>740212748Remember, there are two versions of the highwind scene. In one version volcel Cloud sees reality and takes pity on a whore by letting her cuddle with him for one night but is understandably disgusted by her and doesn't fuck her.In the other version he ignores all the signs and fucks the whore.There are repercussions in AC, but they are interpreted differently depending on what you chose.First of all, Cloud still wants to reunite with his first girlfriend (also a whore). If you didn't sleep with the whore, Tifa's pious redemption begins and she supports him. If you slept with her, she is cucked and her tale of painful redemption begins.If you didn't sleep with the whore, geostigma is an allegory for depression in AC. Cloud is depressed because his first whore girlfriend died, this gives him geostigma, but Aerith has ascended to sainthood for repenting in life and sacrificing herself, and she cures him. Tifa is Cloud's friend repenting for her sins and lack of regret while helping him, he unreasonably shuns her out and she's redeeming her past by herself.
>>740212781If you slept with the whore, geostigma is an allegory for AIDs spread by Tifa's prostitution. Cloud quickly finds out about her past even if you ignored the red flags in the game and made them sleep together. He becomes disgusted by her and abandons her, but he has contacted the std already. He constantly thinks about his first girlfriend, more punishment by the narrative to Tifa for being a whore by cucking her. She has to see the reformed whore cure the man she wants of the STD she gave him, like a cuck, and the narrative still doesn't let her get with him.It's all very profound and a masterclass in storytelling by square enix.I recommend reading novels like Madame Bovary, Adam Bede and the Scarlet Letter to understand the story square was trying to tell with the prostitution in the game. In fact, if we get deeper into it, Aerith and Tifa are like tridimensional versions of Hetty and Dinah. But they are so well developed and contrasted they make those characters look like trash.
>>740212748>>740212781>>740212809Least unhinged Aerithfag.
>>740212734>novel full of Tifa selling her steamed buns in the slums because she has no other way to survive >she's slow and clumsy but the owner says patrons keep coming because of her appearance Idk, it was genuinely worded weirdly, like Nojima kept hinting at something. Why didn't he just make her a server at a restaurant
>>740212860I'm just trying to analyze how the prostitution the developers included ties to the plot. I really think it was intentional and that it enhances the story. Sorry I don't mindlessly consume the product.
>>740212960Here's the problem with that: Nojima is a turbocuck and he has a history of trying to push the envelope on this shit, but he's also not the only person working on the game and he eventually the others catch onto his bullshit and remove it from the game. They eventually throw him a bone and allow him to do omake novels, but nobody considers that shit canon, especially not the Japanese audience.
>>740196927This FF7 prostitute thing is literally just one autistic (in the literal DSM psychiatric sense, not the internet lol quirky sense) person's special interest that they post on 4chan every day. 60% of the posts in this thread is just that one literally autistic person who wants to spend every day of their life talking about FF7 prostitutes because when autistic people get a special interest, they want to spend all day every day repeating the same behaviours over and over and overthis is what real autism looks like, not quirk chungus autism, not autism-as-a-pejorative-for-someone-with-bad-social-skills, this is REAL autism, posting FF7 prostitute posts every single day and spending 6 hours a day talking about FF7 prostitutes, every day for years and years and yearsif you didn't know what REAL autism looks like, now you know.
>>740197503I can't believe I'm learning new things about a 30 year old game. I feel like Japan likes to make all their characters virgins (the women anyway) so that the players don't feel cucked.
>>740212906I'm talking about dear destiny.This year's book.
>>740213123Bro, people have spent hours analyzing every aspect of the game, including me. I don't think all the stuff shown is a coincidence. What about the deleted scenes? All a coincidence? No way man.
>>740213251Is it even published in English already? I'm interested in reading it.
>>740213127I'm starting to think it's a bot tbf
>>740209662Celes got raped? How did I miss that?
>>740213329this autistic person has been obsessed with ff7 prostitutes for longer than bots have been convincingly human
>>740199635She did to survive, incel.
>>740213303People did mtl and summaries. Tifa plot is basically filler until she meets CloudShe's somewhat blackmailed at one point, so crazy fanfikers can dream
>>740213460I don't trust those, I'll wait for the official translation, hope it comes soon.
>>740213271>What about the deleted scenes?Not in the final product for a reason. Game writing is a collaborative effort at the end of the day. Nojima is just batshit and puts a lot of weird shit into games that eventually gets removed because they let him cook and tard wrangle him later. Some of the cuck shit seeps through the cracks in the final product, but that has little to do with Tifa and Cloud's final relationship. Cloud liked both Aerith and Tifa, Aerith has to be let go along with his past delusions, and Tifa represents him both moving on and accepting and not being ashamed of who he really is. I don't care if Nojima wanted prostitute symbolism, he's a crazy fuck and definitely isn't the arbiter of what the game is truly about.
>>740213745nta, but, on the contrary, Tifa represents being stuck in the past. They even described their hug as that. Aerith is the one trying to make him break from Zack's shadow and be himself.
>>740213745Sorry, I can't just mindlessly consume like that, I like to analyze every aspect, including the author's intention.
>>740214017Give it up, Aerithtard. It's over. Tifa won.>>740214057Which author? Nojima is not the only writer. And his schizophrenic extra-canonical omake novels do not count.
>>740199518Lots of people also deny the fact that Zack fucked Aerith. People will argue with you that she's a virgin.
>>740214017>make him break from Zack's shadow and be himself.But "himself" is what he was like in the past.
>>740214150It's the ultimania published by square enix Tifa friend. All the "romantic" interactions Cloud has with her is him clinging to his childhood idea of being a "cool guy". And Tifa is clinging to her idea of him being her cool hero to the point of ignoring his mental problems. This is why they never work out, even after the OG.
>>740199635Wait, people really think a big-tittied bartender in a poor slum wasn't a massive slut? Really?
>>740214320What do you mean? Himself is returning to the past without taking into account the new experiences he lived? That's mistaken, and impossible.
>>740214150Nojima has been the main writer for years. From what I hear, Toriyama supports all the symbolism. It's possible Nomura too. I would say Kitase is probably not in agreement, though.
>>740214335Okay, now I know I've argued with your retarded ass before, and it won't go anywhere since you just make shit up. Looking forward to seeing your raging meltdown over how Cloud and Tifa's relationship culminates in the final Remake game.
>>740214383I simply mean that being himself is another form of being stuck in the past, and that neither of the two represent actually moving forward.
>>740214335Correct.
>>740214480Bro, i don't fucking know who you are, but it's written right there man. Just read the damn page.
>>740214495No, being himself is acknowledging his past.What you are describing is being stuck in the past.
I repeat what I always say, do people really think Nomura will let his waifu Tifa lose?
>>740214540Okay, and Tifa is the only romance option that gets a kiss in Rebirth. I'm just considering all of the material, especially the latest stuff. Multiple writers, things change and evolve. If I'm not allowed to ignore the omake novels and the schizophrenic shit that's written in the Ultimania, you're not allowed to ignore the Remake games.
>>740214495>being himself is another form of being stuck in the past>>740214581>What you are describing is being stuck in the past.?
>>740203834Just go watch anime if women having a sexual past worries you that much. Adult women have sex lives, deal with it.
>>740214795The being himself Aerith wants is not Cloud being stuck in the past, it's reconciling with his past and accepting himself. That's the Cloud she wants to meet.
>>740200817Not Barret too. Keep that drama out of the team Tifa.
>>740196927Cloud too. Fucking trooning faggot.
>>740208897I've been holding off on playing the Rebirth game because I wanted there to be good mods for it. Are the mods out now worthwhile for a playthrough? Is all the cut content added back?
>>740214705What? Why would I ignore it? The romantic interactions make perfect sense, as explained in the ultimania.If you choose the responses that make Cloud focus on being a cool guy, he acts like a cool guy for Tifa.
>>740214612He hasn't let her win in 30 years, everything is possible.
>>740212748>>You can choose to be a douche volcel who doesn't get pussy but keeps his dignity.>>Or you can choose to be a cuck, deny reality and get with the girl regardless, you get sex but lose your self-respect.So there are no choices where you get to have sex and NOT sacrifice something?
>>740196927>Having a wild ride of sexual fantasizes that's barely related to the game>Goes on a schizo ramble about how the girls fucked every men in the slums even though the game is barely sexual/v/ is a huge collective of sexually frustrated closeted cucks
>>740214872You really do keep trying to shift Cloud's real self being tied to Aerith. Tifa liked who Cloud was before he left Nibelheim, that's the guy she takes care of and fights for during and around the events where they fall into the Lifestream. What comes out on the other side of that event is a Cloud who loves and accepts his old self and now has the confidence to push forward. Tifa doesn't care about him being a badass, she just likes it when he's confident and sweet to her. She continues to stick by him even when she realizes that he hid from her in shame and was nothing but a failure in his goals. Not to say that Aerith wasn't also looking for who he really was, but their relationship very much represents his delusional state. His relationship with Tifa represents acceptance of his old self and the confidence she helped give him to move into the future. Only after leaving his delusional SOLDIER persona behind did he truly become the person he wanted to be, that's not being stuck in the past, that's him accepting who he is and becoming a fully realized human being free of Sephiroth/Jenova control.
>>740215124Just like real life.
>>740200339Why is this "comic" so bad? The art is shit and faggots who feel the need to self-censor their profanity are the biggest kinds of retards.
>>740215275Huh? I don't tie Cloud's real self to Aerith. I'm literally repeating Aerith's objective to you. She wants Cloud to focus on himself and find the real him. She says these things in the damn game.
>>740215359Got you mixed up with the guy saying Cloud and Tifa don't work out. Probably shouldn't even bother arguing, it's like beating a dead horse.
>>740215275Bro, the game has been pointing to Cloud getting further into his delusion to impress Tifa, and she gets a little kick out of it. He is comfortable around her because both have been feeding each other's delusions in the past two games. Not intentionally, but they never knew the other close enough to realize they are even doing it.
>>740215506And, again, what comes out on the other side of them falling into the Lifestream is a Cloud who accepts his old self and has the confidence to move forward. Real Cloud is constantly under the delusional persona fighting to gain control, that Cloud liked Tifa and continued to like Tifa during the delusion and also after the delusion is dispelled. Granted, she does seem tickled when he acts like a chad, but it's always with caution. The times she truly appreciates him are when he remembers things about his past and holds to the promises he made. That's not just delulu Cloud, that's past Cloud still being there, and she sees it. Again, my point in arguing is because of people saying Cloud doesn't like Tifa, which is downright retarded.
>>740215339The profanity is censored so you can insert what you'd prefer into their dialogue
>>740215920Of course he likes Tifa, his crush on her represents him clinging to the past he couldn't achieve. And that's described as a negative thing by the authors. There's a reason the Cloud in Tifa's date is so jarringly different from the way he acts in AC (what Nojima describes as real Cloud).
>>740202712What NTR scenario is there with Tifa? She's not in a relationship with anybody.
>>740216151And his feelings for her still exist when he comes out of his delusion. AC is an exercise in dogshit writing, that's the reason Cloud's character is seemingly regressed from where he was at the end of FFVII.
>>740200817Barrifawould unironically be a much healthier relationship than Cloud/Tifa ever could, but self-inserters will never be ready for that conversation.
>after 25 years I find out tifa was selling the box in wall marketI need to lie down man
>>740200339What are the last 4 beeps?
>>740216232Do they? Their romantic scene after the lifestream depends on leveling up her affection. The romance you speak of is completely absent in AC.
>>740197067oh no
