https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0DFUu0feDY
TF2 came out 19 years ago
>>740198325It should have zero.
>>740198325six developers that update the blog
>>740198325TF2 is a nearly 30 year old project. It started development in 1998. It came out in 2007. They updated it regularly for almost a decade. The fact that they still have anyone working on it at all is a fucking miracle. Expecting TF2 to still be getting updates today is like expecting Super Mario Bros 3 to still have been getting updates when TF2 came out, or the original Doom to be getting official support in 2012.TF2 had plenty more support than it was ever meant to get. Be happy with that and let it go, or accept that they're running a skeleton crew just to keep you guys happy.
>>740199063>or the original Doom to be getting official support in 2012Well...
>>740199063Also major community updates are still a thing here and there, on top of frequent player content in the server list. It's pretty much self-sustaining at this point.
>>740198325It should have zero
>>740199063>Be happy with that and let it go, or accept that they're running a skeleton crew just to keep you guys happy.How about they just make a third game? There's obviously an interest for it. Instead of this bitching and moaning that people like their products.
That's six more than I expected.
>>740199275There's reason to believe they are. The TF Project in the datamined Source 2 files is still getting updated pretty frequently.
>>740199312This. Do they still release content? I stopped playing when they added hats.
>>740199275nah you are gonna get more moba slop and you'll like it.
the last time i played TF2 my first game had a transsexual in voice chatirrelevant to the thread but i felt it was necessary.
>>740199063>TF2 had plenty more supportyeah, they added comp mode and replaced quickplay with bots faggotry LMAO
>>740199063I won't ever truly let go because no other game scratches the same itch and probably never will, but no doubt it's a done deal. The comic pretty much punches you in the face with that. As long as I can jump into a game though, I'm happy, and we're extremely lucky it's still like that. Only a handful of games last this long. If this place wasn't so addicted to hostile shitposting and bait nowadays, I feel like it'd be easier to celebrate that aspect.
>>740199063>"Ugh, no, it's so selfish to ask the company that made $17 billion last year to leave one of their most beloved games in an acceptable, playable state.">"Just be happy they don't shut down this game that still makes them millions per year, gosh!"Fuck this horseshit mentality and fuck how Valve treated this great game.
>>740199063No fuck that. Valve still makes millions off of TF2 every year. I want Valve to actually hire people who want to work on TF2 to keep the game updated. If they can't do that, then they need to drag some of their developers out of whatever other bullshit they are working on and chain those devs to their fucking desks to keep people working on TF2 if need be, when those devs die from the exhaustion of keeping the broken shambling mess of code that makes up TF2 working, Gabe should invest some of his yacht money in a resurrection machine to bring those fuckers back to life just to keep working them working on TF2. Until TF2 stops being a legal money printer for Valve. They don't have any right to stop working on the game.Now have some pyro ass.
>>740198325most games this old have 0
>>740199469move on
>>740199607Put some effort into your shitposting, goddamn.At least crack a joke or something. It's not hard.
>>740199063except valve still makes millions off this game (with even the most low ball conservative estimates being in the tens of millions easily) while putting in the most bare minimum effort possible, all people are really asking for by this point is valve get off their ass, and fix some of the worst issues (many of which can easily be a one time fix/just needs minimal tweaks every once in a while) so the game can function since again they clearly want it to stay around because its a passive revenue stream
>>740199063This. I played TF2 from release to F2P and I had my fun already. TF2 was a great game but it ran its course already. You can bitch about Deadlock or them taking too long to develop TF3 or whatever but TF2 is a finished game and it makes no sense to expect them to dedicate anything beyond a skeleton crew for maintenance.
That's 6 eyes too many. 6 potential opportunities to ban me for saying words
>>740198325Let me guess, and like 5 of them don't get any salary?
>>740198325>only 66 people is a small but very respectable sized team. 6 devs plus an artist team (since I assume none of these 6 on TF2 are anything but devs) could develop an entire, full, polished high-end indie game within a couple of years easily. 6 devs working full-time on a project could be implementing major features every few months at least, we could easily be getting one major update per year if this was the case.I haven't watched the video but is it really "6 devs working on TF2" or "6 people who have kinda touched the code in recent years"?Anyway, TF2 doesn't really NEED an active developer team. One or two people to push out bugfixes here and there is fine. What it really needs is proper community management from Valve so it stops being an empornium content dump, and also some decent design and management decisions like providing an actual quickplay mode again and removing the abortion that is casual mode. But these are not issues that are solved by assigning extra devs.
>>740200068>All of them are paid more than the entire overwatch team combined just as a yearly salary. I'm probably not even wrong.
>>740199469You had no problem with them abandoning the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions, even though those consoles still had huge userbases well into 2014.They definitively ended the story, they handed the source code over to the community, and they made your TF2 inventory accessible to modified versions of the game. Everyone who worked on it back in the day chose to move on.Everything has to come to an end sometime.
i have a screenshot of sho from back when he used to facecam for some reason
>>740199654Just because you don't like what he said doesn't mean it's shitposting.It's a product made for gamers 20 years ago, what exactly do you expect them to do to give it what it deserves? Realistically where could they take tf2 now without pissing off the people who currently enjoy it? More hats? They already do community updates, and, the community has access to the development tools and have released several successors that died in less than a month. maybe they should've botted their playercounts tooI really don't understand the average tf2 players manbabby rage and why you're all perpetually pissed off like an older child that feels envious of the newborn getting all the attention.
>>740198325what work would they even do? Do they do any work? I though the game was running on autopilot.
>>740200213He looks exactly how I expected him to. Now I just need a picture of the heron
>>740198325who cares. tf2 is destroyed and merc badges run it now with the workshop
>>740199513Fuck I wish I had a catfish Pyro GFGenuinely one of the best Pyro pics I've ever seen, artist name please?
>>740200248>what do you expect them to donta but I expect them to fix its dogshit matchmaking and improve the various weapons that got nerfed into the ground
What do people even actually want changed? The only thing I ever see TF2 players talk about now is having a mental breakdown over Sniper. Who was fine for ages until everybody coincidentally realized he was broken when bots were running amuck.
>>740198325That's 4 more than I thought
>>740200830>SourceI genuinely didn't know since it was just a random image I saved at some point but I went looking just for you. Sebsblender is the source, unfortunately you might be out of luck. They seem to be an inflation fag so I'm regretting looking for the source thinking I was about to get more pics for my fempyro folder. Instead I'm just leaving disgusted and with no new fempyros.
>>740201020I just want the heavy update that was promised to us 2000 years ago
To me, it's most incredible that Valve hired IceFrog, let him exclusively work on his baby for several years, then let him make an entirely new IP. How many other individual devs can say that at Valve? Robin Walker, maybe?
>>740201342Thank you sorry...
>>740198325>Hemulin varjoEbin :D
>>740201346I think that comment about a future Heavy update was a mistake. The devs knew they were done with TF2, but whoever wrote the promotional copy didn't. They changed it pretty quickly after it came out.
>daria>augustai know tranny names when i see 'em
To anyone curious on why this happens, Valve has a problem. They give their developers freedom to work on anything they want... But your job is dictated by a peer review system where the developers basically rate each other.So if the devs start a new project and you're not contributing to it because you're too busy releasing updates for TF2, they rate you poorly and you get fired. This is why Valve is so inconsistent.
>>740201020I just want them to undo Meet Your Match.Absolutely everything about it is broken, and they still haven't fixed it ~8 years later!Why do they refuse to apologize for their mistake and restore Quickplay?
>>740201597Quickplay suckedJust ask for valve servers on the server browser
>>740198325who? and why should i care?
>>740199063>Expecting TF2 to still be getting updates today is like expecting Super Mario Bros 3 to still have been getting updates when TF2 came outI'd agree if Valve just stopped updating the game entirely, yet they continue to sprinkle it each year with cosmetics which make them millions. If they're still making money from this game, I'd expect them to at least fix the issued it still has (namely, casual)I don't expect the major updates of old, just something more than the bare minimum "added 20 new hats and 10 new maps from the workshop" three times a year
>>740201020There are some persistent issues with the way the matchmaker is designed but they are things that can be remedied, the problem is that people largely just want to throw the entire thing out because they've misidentified what they perceive to be core problems. They think just bringing back quickplay will magically fix everything and ignore issues that quickplay had during its tenure (most egregiously, the ad-laden MOTDs that dominated most of the server list).The same people also insist that having more maps is a bad thing, as if user-created content hasn't been the backbone of source games since the fucking 90s.The things that would be best changed are nuanced, but the ones that would hit most of people's pain points would be>rather than matchmaking with predetermined teams, just throw people into spectator slot, let the players sort out how they want to play>let autobalance actually balance people instead of trying to quickly fill the empty team slots. people going into spectate automatically would help with this for new joiners>remove the best of 3 system when tournament mode is disabled. just a map timer and a map vote within the same game mode>force autoscramble if score differentials are too imbalanced at end of round>ad hoc connections rather than needing to go through matchmaker>make party votes count as 1 vote together so a stack of 6 bots can't hold the lobby hostagepeople need to stop insisting for quickplay to come back, it's simply not going to happen. if you wanted it to happen you would have stuck to your guns in community servers instead of caring what happens in official servers. but this isn't the reality we are living in. Best we can hope for is general improvements to bring the casual matchmaker back to what is loosely what the pub experience used to be.
tf2 is an empty husk.move on.
6 people that are better used on good games like deadlock what a shame
>>740201748They're letting modelers and mappers add shit to the game to keep it fresh for each other and take a cut of the income. No one at Valve is doing very much.
>>740201830move on to what? theres no fps like this.
>>740198325let go uncs
>>740198325What do those 6 people do all day? obviously not fixing anything.
>>740201920overwatch????
>>740201962>they could be random posters on this site
>>740198325>TF2 ONLY HAS SIX DEVELOPERSThey're not necessarily working on the game, they're just the 6 people that have written a TF2-related post in the News HubSo far the only one we know for sure that's working on the game is Eric Smith
>>740198325What a waste. They should go work on CS2 or Deadlock.
>>740202076exactly. it could be 6 PMs with 5 devs each. who knows. extrapolating the number of devs based on who has posted news is middle school logic
>>740200197That one is because sony and MS were huge jews asking devs for money every time they put out a patch, so valve just said "fuck it"
>>740198325How many devs does Halo 3 have?
>>740198325How will they ever undo Meet Your Match to give us normal matchmaking and valve servers in the search function again?
>>740202008overwatch has ults and theres no custom servers
>the TF2 team is tiny!!!slowpoke.jpg
>>740202008ow is a former shell of itself, game is genuine dogshit now
>>740199275The fans are the ones bitching and moaning about how dead their game is. The devs seem pretty indifferent about it.
>>740199063>expecting Super Mario Bros 3 to still have been getting updates when TF2 came outWell sure, why not? That game's sick.
>>740202008
>>740198325It's a 20 year old game why would it have a bunch of people working on it?
TF2's situation is dismal no matter which angle you view it from. On one hand, it's like 20 years old and it's perfectly reasonable that it isn't allocated development resources and is falling off in popularity - which makes vocal TF2 fans look like manchildren who are disconnected from reality. On the other hand, TF2 is a masterpiece that has been basically abandoned after being raped into an abomination by Valve's attempt to bridge the divide between traditional, server-based multiplayer and modern, matchmaking-based multiplayer, and it in no way deserved this fate. Anyone who actually likes video game should understand the value of preserving a game like TF2 in a functional state that reflects how good it once was; instead, it is / was infested by bots and the default multiplayer experience is the worst possible way to play.
>>740198325And what is there to add?
>>740202852Would you have preferred 20 years of level packs for that game over Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, 64, Sunshine and Galaxy?Sunshine I can understand. But the rest? You'd really rather have missed out on everything else in favor of more Mario Bros 3?
>>740201830Why does her upper lip looks like Shampoo's Granny's
>>740202950Dedicated servers never went anywhere. You were always free to boot up your own and keep it as vanilla as you want, even as the rest of the community moved on to gimmick plugins and VSH. You never needed to engage with the matchmaking system at all.
>>740203023Eat my butt!
>>740203152For some reason they want quickplay back, which is what started killing the community servers
>>740199063They crippled the game with that awful matchmaking, killing community servers, then threw a tantrum when everyone hated it and abandoned the game to a plague of sniper aimbots for nearly a decade straight you fucking nigger. AND they never delivered that Heavy update they promised.
>>740198325Why does it have any? It came out in 2007
>>740203238>awful matchmakingIt just sends you to a valve server, what else do you want, you still have the server browser.
>>740198325the issue isn't that TF2 has 6 developers left.The issue is Valve made the game worse over time with updates that broke the game, broke matchmaking and created a bunch of issues that allowed cheaters to run wild.Valve should just go back to the 2014 or so version of the game and then leave it like that.But they won't.
>>740198325tf2 fans are either entitled whiny losers that don't actually like the game and just love their nostalgia for it or new fans that are just sad they weren't there for the golden era.Daily reminder that TF2 gets more new content literally every year than fucking CS2
>>740203341Matchmaking completely starved community servers of fresh blood so that everything but 24/7 2fort died off.
>>740198325>6 developers>1 player
>>740203341>what else you wanthow about>ability to team scramble to avoid constant one sided stomps>remove the x round limit and instead go back to the 45 miniute minimum>old vote map system where instead of forcing you to reque even if you voted for the same map you just vote from a selection or to extend the current round and it doesn't interrupt you until the match is officially done (and in cases where you vote for the map you are one it just adds more to the timer meaning you don't have to reque)>allow ad hoc connection again>allow people to freely swtich teams again to help address the uneven teamsthats just some of the things they could do to make it more like what we used to have
>>740198325I dunno when people will have that eureka moment in their brains but they need too.Valve is not a good company. They don't give a shit.They don't want to fix the game.I wish they just came out and said it."We dont care about fixing TF2".Counter Strike 2 is starting to have the same issues. Lack of updates and lack of fixing anything wrong. Lack of accountability.I swear Valve as a company has blinders on. They literally have tunnel vision and only follow their biggest thing and everything else is irrelevant to them.For them, that is Steam (they just need to keep it running not hard) and Deadlock.They have always worked like this.They borrow from others, take from everyone, then abandon it for a new thing to milk.Why anyone thinks Steam is a good company at all baffles me.
>>740201962could assume one or two watch over the workshop's maps&hatsthe rest make sure the in-game store works
>>740203749For people like me who don't give a shit about all that and want fast downloads of shareable games, why should I hate Valve?
>>740199063>or the original Doom to be getting official support in 2012.I mean the latest Doom 1+2 Port/collection was that in a way... they moved it PRBoom IIRC.
What's with the people who show up trying to defend modern MYM matchmaking as if quickplay wasn't obviously better. I know it's /v/ so being a contrarian is gospel, but this is one of the things that so many people who actually have played the game since before MYM can just tell you is fucking bad and list all the reasons why its bad. There's no argument against quickplay being brought back beyond being a R*dditor who hates the guy that started the bring back quickplay talks so you feel the need to defend a broken matchmaking system out of spite.
>>740202008Actually kill yourself for suggesting that.
>>740199063>HOW DARE YOU DEMAND THINGS FOR A GAME THAT MAKES VALVE 8 FIGURES AT LEASTnever understood you corpo bootlickers
>>740204357>known Indian poster>anti-ValvePottery.
>>740204268Quickplay sucked. I only ever used the server browser. Meet Your Match changed literally nothing for me in terms of my experience of the game. And it wasn't the matchmaking system that killed vanilla servers, it was every little trend getting a billion Youtube videos made about it that lead to the businesses that ran the biggest networks of for-profit community servers to stop running vanilla games in favor of Randomizer, x10, and VSH.Nothing was stopping you from buying an old Linux or Windows server second hand and hosting your own public TF2 server that was completely vanilla. 24 connections for an ancient video game wouldn't even come close to getting your ISP pissed at you, or compromise your bandwidth for anything else.
>>740204268They don't give a shit about TF2.Post after post of doomposting, 'move on', completely twisting points you make, playing dumb, and all while insulting you. It goes on and on. Just look at fags like this >>740204827who pretends to know what he's talking about. Multiple, shameless lies. You can't have a conversation with them. They don't want one. They're just wicked people who hate a game you love.
I didn't even play tf2 until the steam deck came out and now I have 300+ hours in it and 99% of that time is on the /v/ server exclusively why do you fags bitch about video games instead of playing them
>play Saxton Hale mode>There's that one fag that hides the entire match so that they can rock paper scissors the Hale. They do this over and over despite getting killed every time>The one Hale that does it wins the RPS anyways
>>740204679more poottery
>>740204946>why do you fags bitch about video games instead of playing them>he asked on /v/where do you think you are.jpeg
>>740198325and none of them actually do anything for the game but stuff their faces with pink cookies and copy pasting community's fixes that fuck up the game otherwise
>>740203587What? How is this matchmaking's fault? I mean I'm not saying it is the best solution but community servers started dying before that, weird and power hungry admins, their obsession with custom content, terrible communities that hated new people.>>740203660We do need a team scramble, but no team switching, also it shouldn't put you on the same team as your friends, the rest wouldn't fix anything.
>>740204898I played TF2 on PS3 back in 2007. I bought a second copy to play on Steam not long after. I've been playing TF2 longer than plenty of people using this website right now have been alive. I never gave a shit about hats or weapon skins or Stranges. The only reason my experience ever got worse was that bitter retards, kind of like you, decided they could force Valve's hand by ruining the game for everyone else.
>>740204679>ov yev stingy customer, we only make like 10 million a year, we can't afford to unfuck the game
>>740205052my favorite is when the server has a last-man-standing crit bonus that you never get when it's your opportunity because theres some retard hiding in a tree or glitch spot with furry cosmetics doing the balloonibouncer waiting to do exactly this
>>740205820Nobody plays those games except slavs, and they deserve to be ignored.
>>740205779>How is this matchmaking's fault?a 1 button solution that gets lazy and new players into a match discourages them from ever touching the server browser.community servers need fresh blood to stay populated, and matchmaking being a big green button at the very top of the list when the server browser is all the way at the bottom is just bad UI design. of course people are going to gravitate to the big colorful button.
Periodic reminder that Valve developers choose what projects they want to work on and they recruit each other.
>>740198325That's a lot more than expected
>>740205859Let's cut the bullshit.Valve will keep TF2, dota, cs alive as long as possible as in very basic bug fixes and skin updates because there is no reason to give up constant stream of money in billions! And you apologists are not helping things by making sure Valve has no reason to unfuck their games. Their PR will never take a hit despite steam forums complaining about awful state of their games for decades now. ALL thanks to your secondaries who need to win their imaginary console war arguments online because gaben paid jeets to shill at social media.
>>740206247But like I said, nobody plays those games but slavs. White people don't care because they have modern PCs and are enjoying Pragmata.
6 people is plenty unless you need to develop new content...
>>740206316If this was true Valve wouldn't adhere to anti gambling laws of EU (with x-ray loophole)
>>740205887You said that already, community servers died out for other reasons, reserved slots, premium status, toxic players and custom content, some people just want to play the game not deal with all of that.
>>740199358They were doing L4D"3" with Source 2 as well. At this point I'll believe those are happening when I see it, dev assets mean nothing at this point with Valve. After all they have DeadASSFAGGOTS to release before anything.
>>740205790>The only reason my experience ever got worse was that bitter retards, kind of like you, decided they could force Valve's hand by ruining the game for everyone else.See? Exactly what I'm talking about. Can't have a conversation with someone like this. Guy can't even put a sentence together.Schizo babble (or ESL) at best, and malicious and incompetent at worst. Total loser.
>>740198846It should have -6 devs all working to shut down TF2 and keep it from ever being rereleased
>>740202008I already did :^)
>>740205779>but no team switchingfucking retard and you know it, especially when you look at numerous examples of teams having uneven numbers>rest won't fix itall of the problems of matchmaking were either minimal at best or outright did not exist when those were features
>>740199063>Be happy with that and let it go, or accept that they're running a skeleton crew just to keep you guys happy.Apparently fucking not. Valve still makes millions every year off of it and these supposed devs can't seem to put two and two together and get rid of the awful fucking matchmaking.
>>740199063>just to keep you guys happyIt's monetized and makes them millions per year.
>>740207402>millions per yeari doubt it makes much at all
>>740204827>WORKS ON MY MACHINEWell meet your match doesn't fucking work for everybody else. You sound like a lying faggot at best. It's so tiresome because it's something that objectively and completely retarded and yet we have these niggers who for some reason get hung up on defending a completely broken mess of a game system. Saying "UMMM YOU GUYS ARE RUINING IT FOR EVERYONE ELSE" when Meet your Match was specifically pushed by compies and now people who have never played before Meet your Match tells me you're either lying through your teeth or shitposting.
>>740198325What the fuck are they even doing
>>740207332>>740207402You keep saying they're making millions on TF2, but I doubt that's true. Most of the transactions that are happening in the TF2 economy are happening on third party websites. The majority of the money Valve is making on TF2 is from new keys being purchased so bots and traders can gamble. And even the keys are being bought and sold on third party websites that launder them from low purchasing power regions to high purchasing power regions.At least half the daily player count is made up of thousands of bots are doing jack shit on idle servers 24/7 just to get drops.
>>740207235Game switches you automatically, guess you are such a bitch you can't stand being on the losing team.
>complaining about eternal support or eternal sequels when you have official dev tools and officially supported mods that add new contentliterally whydo you just have divine reverence for valve and think that they automatically make a better product than modders even though the actual game is evidence to the contrary?
>>740200213Lol he looks like a gamer. That's honestly a complement. Too many troons and fags hog all these spaces now.
>>740198325Pretty efficient
>>740208110I don't see how this is good in any way
THE WONDERFUL JOYS OF CASUAL MATCHMAKING>join game>OOPS! >the round is 10 seconds from being over! TRY AGAIN!>join game>OOPS!>the lobby is empty and the game will be unbalanced because it's a prior game that emptied out! TRY AGAIN!>join game>OOPS!>blu team is in the game and ready to go while red team is still populating due to our shitty matchmaking! you will now be stomped by blu! TRY AGAIN!>join game>OOPS!>one team is stomping the other and the entire match will be over in 5 minutes tops! No vote scrambling allowed by the way! TRY AGAIN!>join game>OOPS!>someone is cheating or botting the lobby! aren't you glad you can reliably vote kick him now?! we're great aren't we? oh btw the game is now over because your team left or got stomped already. TRY AGAIN!>join game>OOPS!>you decided to play a gamemode other than payload?! enjoy your 5 minutes of gameplay! TRY AGAIN!>join game>What's this? >Balanced teams? A game that's actually lasting longer than 5 minutes? No cheaters? You're having... fun?>>>>3 ROUNDS MAX, NO MORE THAN 10 MINUTES, GO FUCK YOURSELF AND TRY AGAIN, FAGGOTAnd despite this, there are still newfags who will defend Meet your Match to the death because they're retarded cattle who can't stand the idea of their heckin funneh game (that they dont play) getting criticized.Fuck compfags. Fuck Uncle Dane (and the vast majority of tf2 youtubers). Fuck the Emporium. Fuck Jill. Fuck Valve. Fuck twitter trannies. Fuck Meet your Match. AND FUCK CASUAL MATCHMAKING
>>740199063>or the original Doom to be getting official support in 2012.Didn’t it get an expansion that year?
>>740200213same picture
iirc guild wars 1 only has like 2 or 3 guys.
>>740207820>game switches you all the timeno it doesn't, I have had entire games where one team was always out several players because the match system was being retarded>you will only switch because you are on the losing teamwrong again, also another fun fact the game made it so team numbers needed to be even for a volunteer switch
>>740208895And I've had games where they switched me instantly, now what
>>740207747>I doubt that is true because of third party websiteall those third party websites still require some form of primary transaction with tf2, plus several cosmetic creators have shown that yes valve still easily makes millions from their stuff alone, along with the fact the steam market also provides another source of literal free revenue for them since they take a cut of those transactions sales
