Ok, so we all know that Revan was playing 4D chess with his war and only wanted to conquer the Republic so he could strengthen it to defend against the true Sith Empire, but what the fuck was this guy's plan? Because as far as I can tell he was only interested in laughing evilly and razing planets he thinks his old master might be on.
>>740213107Tie up loose ends and leverage the star forge to conquer the rest of known space and then prepare for the bigger bad evil guy that was coming.Also, dark side users have this subtle tendency to go completely nuts.
>>740213107Malak explicitly had no plan. Revan kept him in the dark about the True Sith so Malak was just a barbarian who wanted to conqueror and crush everything because… uh… G0T0 explains this in 2. Nobody ever talks to him though.>>740213463Malak wasn’t preparing for shit.
>>740213625Oh, I thought he was at least somewhat clued in.What does Goto say?
>>740213625>Nobody ever talks to himI talk to him.
>>740213664>Unlike Revan, Malak demonstrated no concern for the future of the Republic in his attacks. >His stratagems were painfully obvious, intending to crush all resistance, everywhere. There was little thought beyond the complete destruction of anything that opposed him.>{Irritated}He left quite a mess. I'm still trying to assess all the damage.>Between the two, I would have preferred Revan rule the galaxy. He had foresight in his conquest, a subtlety that Malak did not possess.
>>740213957I actually like G0T0. He is genuinely a funny and somewhat interesting/entertaining character. Problem is he has to compete with so many other great characters like HK, Mandalore, Atton, Handmaiden, and of course, My Wife
>>740213107He was just a chinless Chud who was eternally seething at Revan because he fucked all the bitches while he sited in the dark side of the corner
>>740214097It wasn’t Revan he was jealous of.Admittedly, if I got friend zoned by a space elf I’d probably get driven to the dark side too
>>740214097Revan was the ultimate Chud though
>>740213107>What the fuck did Malak wantTo be HNIC of the universe.
>>740214172Didn’t he cucked by Zayne Carrick, aka Nihilus?
>>740214225Stop it
Why did witnessing the Force based extinction of a planet make her vestigial eye sockets explode?And why is she so qt
>>740213107It is too complicated to explain to yout. very smart
>>740214541Miralukas don't have eyes to begin with
>>740214541>why is she so qtLips, breathy asian slut voice, devoted to (you)
>>740216298They apparently have eye sockets under their eyeless faces given the two craters in Visas's face.
>>740216459The eye sockets where products of Nihilus cock
>>740216584Nihilus has no cock
>>740213970HK-47 also has similar opinion on Malak, the og meatbag
>>740213970This is just Avellone shitting on bioware writing
>>740217939That was before they gave Revan motivation behind his conquest though. In the original KOTOR, Revan is a big dumb dark sider brute too. He was only made cool (beyond his armor) and the 4D chess-master retroactively in KOTOR2
>>740213107>so we all know that Revan was playing 4D chess with his war and only wanted to conquer the Republic so he could strengthen it to defend against the true Sith Empirethis is just not true anymore him and malak were mind controlled by the most powerful sith in the entire history of star wars
why does kreia say breeding the miraluka would be badno meme answers about her wanting you to fuck her daughter
>>740218453Nobody ever took TOT seriously, especially with the godawful “pilot episode” being that shitty Revan novel which is just Kappershit being eternally assmad about Avellone.
>>740218498She wants you to sacrifice her to Nihilus, not develop feelings for her
>>740218502ok, its still canon though.
>>740218675Lol no its not. Nothing pre-disney is canon.
>>740218728you're right, but in terms of EU kotor storyline? its canon.
>>740218797The Expanded Universe isn’t canon. I don’t know why you are trying to appeal to authority when your regime is dead.
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>>740218728>>740218893Man, some of you guys will go to some amazing lengths just to win an argument>nothing pre-Disney is cannonDoes that make you happy? Are you glad that The Mouse gets to dictate what you can and cannot consider part of a story (I assume) you care about so much? Fuck Disney, is the point I'm making here
>>740218893ok. so why are you even talking about story in general if "its not canon" that means revan is now a girl because i said so and actually kreia is his mother-teacher-wife.congratz there is now nothing to talk about
>>740219151nta, but his point is that "canon" is meaningless. Whether it's some author who didn't play the games, or Disney going "yeah nah none of that is canon", nothing about it is reflected in the game itself, and none of it can override the game's own plot or the choices you make.
>>740219265you can shit on the revan book if you want and yeah its bad but lets not act like karpynshin is just "some author" he also wrote KOTOR.
>>740219317He did not write KOTOR2, which is what matters
>>740219476and? because canon apparently doesnt exist then i just say KOTOR2 doesnt exist. now only KOTOR1 the book and SWTOR is all there is.
>>740213625Malak was there when they found the Sith Emperor, they both challenged him and lost. Of course he knew.
>>740218893>lol can can dismiss this lore because none of it is canon>the lore that backs up my argument is fine thoughRetard
>>740219123general
>>740219123
>>740219265Every story necessitates some degree of "canon". I wouldn't go so far as to say all claims of canon are baseless. If a company has lost the plot and is too unreliable to trust as arbiters of what canon is, then the next best thing is looking at what makes sense from a narrative standpoint. It then becomes a battle of subjectivity, I know, but the democratization of canon has the benefit of having been forged in the pits of hell (the Internet) and should thus be that much more robust than any corporate committee's afterthought. My point was that one should NEVER utter the words "well, Disney says X is canon." Disney sells 25 dollar Micky ears and charges 15 dollars per 30 min for parking. No one should care what Disney claims is canon for a property they absorbed in order to power their rapid monopolization of all American media. I get what you're saying, I just think invoking Disney specifically is a bad take.
>>740218498Exile is human. Miraluka are near-human. Exile is a weird wound in the Force. Miraluka are naturally all Force Sensitive. The chances for the pair to have some weird abomination baby that will only suffer all its life is much higher than a usual human/miraluka pairing.
>Revan - Revanchist>Traya - Betrayer/Betrayal>Sion - Illusion>Nihilius - Nihilism/Nihilistic>Malak - Just a dumb play on his real name of Alek he adopted years before he ever fell to the Dark SideI understand they were given scraps to work with but damn.
>>740213463WRONGhe was just seething for losing his jaw
>>740213107he wanted to rule the galaxywhy does anybody need more reason then this
>>740213107>so we all know that Revan was playing 4D chess with his war and only wanted to conquer the Republic so he could strengthen it to defend against the true Sith EmpireHe wasn't tho, he was just a power hungry corrupted jedi.
>>740222175Even Kotor 1 mentions Revan was trying to preserve as much of the Republic as possible and ran the Star Forge below its maximum output, compared to Malak who brute forced everything and cranked the Forge up to 110%. Revan was the one who advocated for Jedi to join the Mandalorian Wars, it's not a stretch to say his conquest of the Republic was an effort to make it stronger.
>>740213107Malak just wanted to fufill his domination fetish. He was a stereotypical Sith personalitywise.
>>740221635>Sion - IllusionSion is literally just Scion, i.e inheritor. It’s about him both believing himself to be the legacy of the Sith, and Kreia being so enraged about his unworthiness of her own legacy
>>7402221501: Why though? Why do you want to rule the galaxy? 2: Ruling the galaxy doesn't mean you get to control all life. Most planets are effectivly independent. Even Palpatine basically just held the universe hostage through military force. It wasn't that the Empire was everywhere, it's that they could crush anybody they wanted.
I miss Legends. Yes, a lot of it was shit but when it came to actually turning Star Wars into modern folk mythology it was way closer than whatever Disney did.
>>740222535It's Illusion because he believes he's still alive when he's just a walking corpse propped up by the Force. A life of nothing but rage and hatred built on making his enemies suffer is no life at all, it's the point he ultimately concedes when he allows you to kill him.
>>740222667>acknowledging disney canon everlmao. the EU is still alive and well bro
>>740222897Fair.Honestly would love for people to just start writing more Legends books and pretend Disney EU never happened.
Malak just wanted power for power's sake. Unlike Revan, he had no interest in actually leaving the Republic intact. Even before the True Sith retcon, it's obvious that Revan was the lesser evil.
>>740222667>Yes, a lot of it was shitNot really. Every story, even the weird ones had value. By saying "most of it was bad" you're just validating Disney's decision to nuke it.
>>740214041The other problem is that Droids tend to be less powerful in combat, so you're not likely to field them as often.
>Pre-Disney>"I think most of the EU is bad">"Yeah but 90% of everything is bad just focus on the good bits">Post-Disney>"I think most of the EU was bad">"How DARE you, you corporate shill?! Even SHIT has VALUE!!!"You're right. Disney is now reprinting 'Legends' EU and making money from people too stupid to look up decades old slop for free online.
>>740223685EU stuff was crap, but it was fun crap. Disney crap is just sterile and devoid of anything interesting.
>>740223148The Crystal Star.
>>740222757He doesn’t believe that, he just has enough willpower to prevent his body falling apart.
>>740223685Pre disney the people that didn’t read any of it were hostile to the EUNowadays the people that didn’t read any of it are hostile to disney.It’s really not hard.
>>740223794That bad huh?
>>740224257Its a bad generic sci-fi novel with a childs knockoff star wars bedsheet thrown on top. Nothing unique to the story works in Star Wars, and nothing Star Wars is depicted consistently with either the films or the greater EU. Other than names, it has as much in common with Star Trek or Dune as it does Star Wars. Its incredibly clear that it was a generic Science Fiction novel that was repurposed into Star Wars.So yes, its that bad. At over point I had read every post RotJ novel, and it was by far the worst.
I've never completed kotor 2 because I could never decide between handmaiden and visas
>>740213107The sith are retarded because the dark side turns them into raging schizos
>>740224575You could do both at the same time, though I can't see why. Handmaiden is clearly the superior choice.
>>740224745I'm not a slut, anon.
>>740213107As a drawfag I always thought this was a pretty striking painting and character design. Used to stare at this nigga on the box cover of my copy as a kid.
>>740222667I remember the pre disney years, and even a bit around the post buyout honeymoon, and it was very clear most of the people who used to shit on the EU knew jack shit about it.The best example I can give is the fact skippy or Luuuke were almost always used as examples, despite the fact they were literal jokes. The second best is the picture of Nyax (aka lightsaber knees) being a staple of anti EU posts, despite the fact he was supposed to be a delusional lunatic larping as a half remembered boogeyman.
>>740224575I talked to visas once after she was recruited and the game decided for me. Handmaiden told me to fuck off.
I always thought the star forge was cool as shit and that star wars should have more ancient super weapons stumbled upon in the far reaches of space instead of ones we build in secret despite draining the galaxy's resources
>>740224876There is no real romance anyway. The game doesn't let you do anything more than be a "Jedi who can't afford to form attachments", even though you are not a Jedi anymore. Funny that the only girl who exiles actually hits on just friendzones him (Mira).
>>740225051That's because Avellone is a rapist that gets very nervous at the idea of being intimate with a woman
I just saw a video that showed all of the fates of the companions from both games.Why did none of the Allies in the first game get an even remotely happy ending? Even Revan himself got done extremely dirty
>>740225051This is why i cant play either gamethe ending is just>and then you abandon everything you worked for to fuck off and diei hate self sacrifice endings, this isnt even that it's just>and then you die
>>740225183Because Bioware, Obsidian, and EA are all bad writers in their own ways and swirling them together like how KOTOR ended up means the worst applied in all cases
>>740219626Karpyshit's babblings aren't canon
>>740225184Yeah the KOTOR 2 ending especially lefts you with an empty feeling, but I wouldn't dismiss the entire game just because of it. Its the journey that matters, not the destination.
>>740222354>Even Kotor 1 mentions Revan was trying to preserve as much of the Republic as possibleI don't remember that but I do remember it being mentioned that Malak was more vicious and destructive than Malak. Which I think was less to do with Revan trying to "save" the Republic and more with him being smarter than Malak and less prone to needless destruction of infrastructure that he could use later without having to rebuild everything. In KOTOR there's no indication that Revan cared about anything besides complete conquest, all that came from KOTOR 2.>and ran the Star Forge below its maximum output, compared to Malak who brute forced everything and cranked the Forge up to 110%I'm pretty sure that's more a case of Revan not having figured out all of the Star Forge's secrets before Malak blew him up. Malak even mocks you for it during your final fight with him.
>>740225552It’s less about him not figuring it out and more that Revan knew the forge was sentient enough that it was a bad idea.Malak called him weak for not using it, not stupid.
>>740225496I am sick of tragic endings they ruin the entire journey if i am sinking 100 hours into caring about a person's life they better end up with a castle a cute wife 3 friends and a pet by the end of it.
>>740218893More canon than disney shit
>>740224984I liked the Dark Reaper from the Clone Wars game.Still sad that it was originally intended to be used in Jedi Academy but instead we got the retarded Disciples of Ragnos retread of Jedi Outcast's plot.
>>740225685Downer endings are a just a normal star wars thing.Both the eu and Disney cannon had extremely downer endings for our heros
>>740222535I thought it was like Zion because he's the bad guy.
>>740216929He sucked it
>>740225808>the Clone Wars game.Damn I had forgotten about that game and how much fun I had with it as a kid
>>740225795Literally isn’t. Even more, the guy they currently have in charge has changed what canon means even further by saying that even the events and characters themselves aren’t solid canon and they’re all just tall tales that change with the teller. THATS canon now from the official person who says what is and isn’t canon. So you either accept it or start your own protestant sect. Either way, cope and seethe.
>>740225828our boy cal better end up with a space castle and no dead merrin i swear to god
Is the mmo worth playing and can i play it solo?
>>740225992It is only worth playing solothe story is decent especially now by today's standards
>>740225992The gameplay is absolute ass but you're never getting a twilek slave wife in any other star wars game so
>>740222546I mean, why not? Seriously. If you have a pretty good chance of becoming a big shot you'd need a reason NOT to do it, not the other way around. Malak was anything if not ambitious since he survived being a sith apprentice for so long too. Why would Malak not become one of the strongest men in the galaxy with the strongest military to boot?
>>740224575You can't fuck them anyway
Malak wanted to conquer the galaxy. He betrayed Revan (as Sith always do) so that HE could be the Emperor instead of the Apprentice.Malak was completely ignorant of the retconned in stuff about how Revan was ackshully preparing for a future Sith invasion which came to him in a dream.
>>740223018You continuing to call it "legends" is giving the mouse a finger, having already seen that that costs one the whole arm. That anon's attitude is the only healthy one.
>>740223685"Most of EU" means very different things in /v/ context and, say, /co/ context. Most of /v/ EU is good to great.
>>740218318As he should.
>>740225184>>740225496But in TSL it is "you will follow Revan eventually", not "immediately". There's the talk of rebuilding the Jedi Order in a less retarded way first.
>>740227137most of EU sounds terrible to say in /int/ context
>>740227037I strictly call it the old EU. Even if it's just a sealed off parallel universe, I'd much rather be there then the one Disney's pushing.
>>740213107Power. Like most Sith.
>>740226806You have Force sex with Visas. Its basically the same as Asari sex in Mass Effect
>>740228524Its all in your heada. The most intimacy exile gets is unrobed, steamy wresting with the Echani girl
>>740228356
>>740228772Handmaiden rejects you with extreme prejudice before the duals can get romantic. Visas however comes to you to have Force sex during the stereotypical 11th hour bioware style romance scene.
For me, it's Warlord Zsinj.
>>740228929I don't remember there being any rejection because you never make a move on her.
>>740226242Not only that, you can completely mind-break a young, naive Jedi, by killing her parents, her teacher, and her master, making her completely obsessive and yandere towards you.
>>740218318Deservedly so. Bioware writing has always been mediocre at best. People give it a pass because it leans heavily on emotional appeal, but it never holds up under the slightest scrutiny.
>>740229727If you try to duel her again after the third time, she says no because she doesn’t want to date you and thats what that would mean.
>>740229812welp that made me install it. what class?
>>740230228Sith Warrior. You can "mindbreak" the Jedi companion even while playing light-side, even if you didn't kill any of her family, etc., as long as you pick the right options in the decisive conversation. Vette (twilek slave) best girl anyway.
>>740227210>>740229861Avellone is only interested in rubbing his own nipples.
>>740230228That romance has NTR so have fun
>>740230317Isn't it just Netori? Jaesa gets really upset if you try to date both her and Vette at the same time. I don't remember anything else
>>740230316It really has been sad to watch him fall for all the ego stroking the last few years
>>740213107Pretty boring villain to be honest
>>740230823>fall for all the ego stroking the last few yearsHow so?
>>740230823I watched an interview he just gave and he was incredibly humble about BioWare and KOTOR1. But go ahead with your imaginary straw man.
>>740230946He angers industry shills because he calls out retardation like the Fallout amazon shitshow.
>>740223794W A R U
>>740230946He has just seemed increasingly up his own ass since the fallout show validated him by being terrible.>>740231079I haven't listened to any of his recent podcast interviews so fair enough but that's not what a strawman is.
>>740213107Star Wars was always gay and lame
>>740230046I mean, she is explaining to you what the repeated duels would mean to her. Its also obvious to everyone on board that exile is not just a Jedi sparring partner for her. It may count as a soft rejection, but there are also circumstances to consider. When you really think about it, she is already betraying Atris by becoming your disciple, and considering Atris' feeling for exile, that Handmaiden may be aware of, she would also be betraying her on a very personal level. This relationship just doesn't seem to look like it would work well, but it also feels more human to me, compared to Visas' unhealthy obsession with exile.
>>740231657Yes
>>740213625> wanted to conqueror and crush everything because… uh…Ever seen Star Wars or heard of the sith. Desiring power and conquest is literally their whole fucking point. Also in real life no conquerors had any reasons other then just because anyway. But yeah the whole purpose of the sith religion is to become the greatest conqueror and most powerful sith, and in doing so you always want to overthrow your master and usurp him.
>>740231719Thats a whole lotta words to land on being a homosexual
>>740231883Butterface
>>740231883no u
>>740232003That's what the hood is for. Halfmasked blowjobs are the best
You ARE running the big boob mods for Visas/Handmaiden/Mira that recently got released… right?
>>740232003>a beautiful woman who doesn’t have eyesOh no. Anyway.
>>740232813It could have looked beautiful if her eyes were just blank or something but they made it pretty horrifying looking
>>740213107Malak was just a Sunday morning cartoon villain, he even had the evil villain laughter.
>>740233195Yeah pretty much
>>740233195A bit, but he was also a counter balance to Revan, showing that just because a Jedi went against the grain against Jedi hypocrisy and non-action doesn't automatically mean it's doing the right thing. Shows that falling to the dark side is a real danger, and also that a "good" movement can allow undesirables to gain power.He himself was a bit boring, but also kinda realistic. Selfish, envious, individually powerful but not smart enough to actually rule after dominating.
>>740218797Even in that version of Canon, Revan broke the Emperor's mind control after leaving the Unknown Regions.
Did he deserve to be redeemed and quickly turned into a Force Ghost after decades commiting evil deeds?
>>740236138Redemption only comes from inside and at a huge cost.
>>740236138that one good deed was killing the most evil man alive so that's worth like a billion Light Side points
>>740223685Saying most of the EU is bad is hyperbole. A majority of Disney canon is just really forgettable, even if its inoffensive. Theres just something very toothless and sterile about it.
>>740236138>Deserve to be redeemedI would say so. It's not like you could argue he didn't suffer enough. Even in the original trilogy it's pretty obviously he's miserable being Darth Vader.If anything I wish we had known more about how the rest of the characters saw him afterwards. I'm going to assume Luke and Leila being his kid probably wasn't public knowledge. So I doubt him being redeemed at the end would be either. The only people who would probably know would be Leila and Han. Both of who I imagine are less positively inclined even knowing he redeemed himself at the end.>and quickly turned into a Force Ghost Honestly, I say keeping him around as a cautionary tale would be worth it. It's frankly kind of hilarious that he never tried to talk with Kylo OR Luke in the sequel trilogy.
>>740236138>deserve to be redeemedWhat does this mean? I seriously don't understand.He turned back to the light. Are you asking if that erases all the bad shit he's done in the past? Of course not. Does that mean he deserves to suffer in hell or whatever? Probably not. What kind of question is this?
>>740238997>It's frankly kind of hilarious that he never tried to talk with Kylo OR Luke in the sequel trilogy.That can probably be attributed to the absolute disdain disney seemed to have for the prequel era at the time
>>740213107wanted his jaw back
>>740239170>Does that mean he deserves to suffer in hell or whatever? What even is hell? I tend to assume the closest equivalent for hell for Sith is basically getting to keep their sense of self but also being too far gone to merge back into the force. I could see that happening to Palpetine, but not Darth Vader or even Malak.
>>740239296Pretty funny considering how hard they are now milking the prequels. Though even just for the sequels they could have had a Sebastian Shaw look alike show up.
>>740239381According to George, canonically no Sith could ever become a ghost.
>>740239635I guess? What happens to souls normally when they die?
>>740239756Nothing. Even most Jedi become nothing. Only the goodest of the good get to be blue Force Ghosts.
>>740225973I've never seen a Disney cocksucker in the flesh, I didn't know you existed besides Reddit>>740225974
>>740239902I tend to assume the fate of Palpatine at the end of Dark Empire tended to happen to most of the worst Sith. Then again I know Dark Empire is only barely canon even for the old EU.
>>740230684iirc there's some ship dialogue with Jaesa in which she says she fucked and then killed some dude. She also disapproves if you give her shit for it so make of that what you will
>>740236138Redemption doesn't require validation. It is not earned. Most of the galaxy didn't forgive him and never will. Only very few people did. He was redeemed because it was true in his heart and that's enough. It does not undo all the bad things he had done, it does not fix anything. He suffered for his actions and then died saving his son. Force Ghosting also isn't some sort of "heaven" many people falsely claim. It's not a reward. Force Ghosts are guides for the living, mythologically speaking, who exist for a very specific purpose entrusted upon them by the Whills to fulfill their plans, and to achieve that one has to become completely enlightened. Which Anakin did before death. When they fulfill their purpose, they become one with the Force, like everyone else.
>>740238997>I'm going to assume Luke and Leila being his kid probably wasn't public knowledge. So I doubt him being redeemed at the end would be either.I can't imagine Luke, being one of the great heroes everyone knows, would want to burden anyone but the closest friends with that.>You know the Emperor's very right hand, one of the prime symbols of that regime that ruled through terror? He was my father. He also rejected the darkness that lead him to committing all those atrocities and gave up his life to save me and defeat the Emperor in the end.>Also nice weather we're having.This is part of why Luke is so reserved and detached in all good EU like video games. Quite a burden just that alone, and he is also the one responsible for rebuilding the Order and leading the Order. This is how I will always see Luke after the years, not the naive boy from Tattoine.
>>740240630>is is part of why Luke is so reserved and detached in all good EU like video games.True. Though at least he got a girlfriend in that continuity.>This is how I will always see Luke after the years, not the naive boy from Tattoine.That is fair. Much though I like him in a New Hope, I do think he was at this best in Return of a Jedi.
Mission
>>740240881>at least he got a girlfriend in that continuityUntil George found out and flipped his shit demanding they kill the bitch
>>74024145214 of 10!
>>740240881He's getting further into the "wise benevolent mentor but reserved" in vidya. And I don't care what Lucas thinks about it, Mark Hamill voiced him so this is good enough for me.
>>740241571It was very important to George that the only woman Luke kisses in his life be his sister.
>>740242165Mark Hamill has never voiced Luke Skywalker in any videogame ever.
>>740242872I guess they made it sound similar enough for me to not even try to check. Shame.
>>740243324Mark Hamil’s Luke is so nondescript that they easily found a soundalike for games like Rogue Squadron and Jedi Academy. Harrison Ford was always hard to sound like for some reason. The only remotely good one I am aware of was the Emperor’s Tomb Indy voice. The rest were awful. Rogue Squadron had fucking Neil Ross, iirc.
>your master gets into a duel with a jedi on his bridge>somehow you can see this from your own ship>"lmao it would be pretty funny if I fired on his ship and take the starforge for myself so I can control the galaxy"thats it. did you even play the game? what am I asking, of course you didn't.
>>740243615What was his tax plan?
>>740242872Which is odd considering his former love for voicework and the character. I guess they couldn't afford him
>>740244417Actually right after I posted that I realized it could also be that he's protective of the character and didn't want to "legitimize" any interpretations of Luke that might not align with Lucas and his ideas of him.
>>740244417Mark Hamil *hates* Luke Skywalker. He has absolutely no problem doing voice work obviously, or video games. He has been doing voice work forever in movies and video games like Gabriel Knight (and obviously Batman), he just despises Luke.
>>740244506He is very protective of how Luke is seen, and I should have connected the dots between that and even games I see as perfect portrayals of Luke that some still might see as contradicting or detracting from the movie portrayal. I should've known better.
>>740244551And yet he was one of the ones who said straight up "Luke wouldn't do that" about trying to kill Ben for having bad dreams
>>740244551>Mark Hamil *hates* Luke Skywalker.And that is why he was crying after the mousewars slop forced him to take part in that travesty they call a trilogy?
>>740244506>>740244630It doesn't have to be that deep. His voice has noticeably aged and games tend to feature the younger luke who Hamill no longer sounds like at all. De-aging his face and voice for his appearance in Mandalorian is probably too costly for a game dev when a soundalike will just be cheaper.
>>740216929He does. nihilus is just a normal man under his robes, he just has no soul or any desires beyond satiating his hunger
>>740244749>>740244760He has spent his entire career trying to run away from being Luke. That was simply a “grass is always greener” moment.
>>740244931True but I think in the early 2000s he could've done it well enough, with some editing.>>740244974Duh, no actor wants typecasting. Doesn't mean he hates the character.
>>740244974>conflating not wanting to be typecast with hating the character
>>740214041
>>740213107>What the fuck did Malak wantthe infinite power of the star forge bro come on the kotor plot isn't exactly convoluted
>>740213463Sorry but at the time Malak was written there were no plans for an ebil ancient hidden void lord sith empire. He was just a sith lord hungry for galactic reign of terror.
what was HER problem?
>>740213107Malak was just a generic bad guy who wanted to take over. That's it/
>>740248776(you) not giving her the DUnironicly
>>740230316What has he even done in recent memory? As far as I know he>Did the goblin companion in Pathfinder Kingmaker>The demon mommy lady in Wrath of the Righteous >Worked on Dying Light 2 but they had scrapped most of his stuff prior anyway and the cut all ties with him
>>740224745Handmaiden has a melty if you hang out with Visas too much
>>740249517She has a melty if you gain even a single influence point with her before talking to Handmaiden first
>>740225184It feels empty because they were setting up KotOR 3, which was supposed to be about the Exile and Revan in the True Sith empire
>>740249517You need a lot more influence with Visas for that to happen, like if you never talked to Handmaiden and max out Visas in one sitting.
>>740249728Nope. Literally just talking to Visas once will give you enough influence with her to make Handmaiden mad.You need to first max out Handmaiden and only then talk to Visas. It's extremely retarded game design.
>>740224575I have trouble choosing between dark side and light side personally
>>740249778>NopeYou just said the same thing I said though.And I agree that her ignoring you completely without being able to make up it for is retarded.
>>740250082you don't need to max out Visas in one sitting (even though it's possible)just the introductory talk with visas will give you some influence and handmaiden will get mad the next time you try to talk to her
>>740250469>and handmaiden will get mad the next time you try to talk to herIts a nothing burger. But if you tip the balance too much, there will be a cat fight indeed
>>740248776tsundere
>>740250469Just to clarify, you need a 30 influence difference between Visas and Handmaiden for Handmaiden to become mad beyond repair. Which roughly translates into 4 individual influence gains.
>>740240487it's bizarre how hayden has been the best thing about disney wars.
>>740213107>>740213625It is star wars. Sith conquer because that is what they do. Like how Genghis Khan and Alexander the Great conquered shit just because they could. Revan was one of the few sith that actually had a purpose.
>>740213107Malak was always a follower to Revan, but the Sith doctrine got too into his head.
>>740241452Anyone have the webm of Zaalbar killing her?
>>740254373That was one of the most evil things you could do and I loved it
>>740213107>Magical death droid factory in his reach>Conquer the galaxy and becomes a Sith emperorIt is not that hard to understand what his goal is.
>>740253038>the Sith doctrineDue to timeline issues Revan and Malak are the first of the human Sith, the first to use the title Darth and the creators of the Sith Code taught at the academy on Korriban
>>740218318honestly i would say its the opposite, bioware make a mediocre story and Avellone uplift it with fleshing out more motive from the two sides, having a person who is calculated evil and a person who is just a cruel conqueror giving clarity to what was happening as well as crediting the brilliance of the major plan on the former player character
>>740213107unnnlimiteddd powaaah
>>740223148>By saying "most of it was bad" you're just validating Disney's decision to nuke it.Most of it was awful, yes. That's not why Disney nuked it, though. It would've been nuked under Lucas, too. More movies meant the end of the EU. It made the most sense for publishers, for Lucasfilm, and for the audience.
>>740254794>Revan and Malak are the first of the human Sith"I am that which grips the heart in fright, hearkens night and silences the light."
>>740254794I'm honestly okay with that
>>740254794>Due to timeline issues Revan and Malak are the first of the human SithWhy? Aren't the Sith in the tombs in Korriban all all fallen jedi from a thousand years ago or something
>>740255335This is Halloween, Halloween, Halloween
>>740254794Also not sure who it really was, but pretty sure Rule of Two was established way, way after them. I think it was the master of the master Sidious had.>>740255445The first split was like 30k years ago so no. They were full blown "Sith", just not real Sith the race.
>>740254441What about mugging a widow with kids on Tatooine, letting kids on Taris beat an alien freak to death (doesn't even net you dark side points, meh) and of course manipulating Matales and Sandrals into slaughtering each other with no survivors and then lying about it to Jedi Council after
>>740255445No the tombs of Korriban house the last Dark Lords of the true Sith species. The Sith were ruled over and interbred with human Dark Jedi thousands of years before hand but there wasn't a Dark Side uprising until the Sith War with Exar Kun and Ulic Quel-Droma, neither of whom took the title Darth, chose a new name or established a Sith Order like Revan and Malak did. Exar Kun corrupted Jedi and lorded it over Massassi he found on Yavin 4, Ulic subjugated the Mandalorians by beating Mandalore the Indomitable in personal combat.>>740255876Rule of Two was a good three thousand years later, with 1000 years of Master/Apprentice leading up to Palpatine and Vader.
>>740256064Fuck me, I'm a bit tipsy so my short term memory is shot at the moment. Of course you were talking about the Code.
>>740256064Still, Ajunta Pall looks human to me in the game. I do very vaguely remember looking him up many years ago and there being something. Was he like Ragnos or what?
Are we losing the sacred texts? Read a comic, or at least a wiki.>>740255876>>740256064>>740256470The Rule of Two was established by Darth Bane, who found one of Revan's holocrons and studied Revan's insights on the power dynamic between him and Malak.Ajunta Pall, a human, was the first Dark Lord of the Sith, as he was an exiled Dark Jedi that initially discovered Korriban and the Sith species.
>>740213107A shitty Vader rip off in a shitty ANH deconstruction rip off.
>>740256539>Ajunta Pall, a human, was the first Dark Lord of the SithYeah, which was my objection to that anon saying that "Revan" and Alek were the first human "Sith". Unless Pall died during their reign and they built him a grand tomb and made it look old and weathered for lulz.
>>740254794Ajunta Pall and his fellows were the first human Sith lords. When they landed on Korriban, the Pureblooded Siths were a bunch of ignorant savages until Ajunta enlighten them with knowledge and the practice to use Darkside of the Force. Without Ajunta Pall, there would be no modern "Sith", both the Sith Purebloods and the Darth type of Sith.
At least I still remember that it was Naga Sadow, Ludo Kressh, Marka Ragnos and Ajunta Pall. I always forget about Tulak Hord for some reason.
>>740256470Marka Ragnos is a "pureblood Sith", he is of Human Dark Jedi and native Sith herritage. Ajunta, Sorzus Syn, Xoxaan and Karness Murr were the earliest human Sith.
>>740257073>pureblood>halfbreedEven his depiction in Academy is telling. Still more clout than the rest, I suppose.
>>740256712Ajunta Pall was a Dark Jedi. Sith specifically refers to the darksiders descended from the ancient traditions of the Sith species and Dark Jedi philosophies merging together into something new.Yes it's pedantic but it's an important distinction. All Sith are Darksiders, not all Darksiders are Sith.
>>740257073>Ajunta, Sorzus Syn, Xoxaan and Karness MurrAnd Dreypa
>>740257206>All Sith are Darksiders, not all Darksiders are Sith.Of course.>Yes it's pedantic but it's an important distinction.I don't feel enough pedantry in it to register. I was certain that he was one of the Dark Lords of the Sith. That is how I remember what I read apparently more than 15 years ago.
>>740257206>Sith specifically refers to the darksiders descended from the ancient traditions of the Sith species and Dark Jedi philosophies merging together into something new.Anon, do you know who made that up? Ajunta Pall. He founded the ancient Sith empire and their practice. Even his corpse was burried in a place called '" Valley of The Dark Lords">I… had a name, once. Ajunta Pall. Yes, that was my name. I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so.
>>740257187Pureblood means half human/half Sith mutts, mainly for having Jedi blood in them. The original Sith are more monkeylike.
>>740254794>the first to use the title Darth and the creators of the Sith Code taught at the academy on KorribanThe academic Sith code was written by Sorzus Syn. The first lord to use "Darth" was Vitiate i think, he was the same guy who fucked with Revan and Malak's head lol.
>>740238997Tons of people in the New Republic bueracracy found out Leia and Luke were Vader and Padme's kids. They tried to use it to discredit them both.
>>740257495And it was thousand of years later that the tradition of taking the title of Darth and an edgy nickname like Sideous became a thing. A tradition apparently started by Revan and Malak because none of the Sith or Darksiders before them did it.
>>740257708Andeddu is the earliest known Sith using the Darth title. Only explanation I've seen that makes sense is being an abbreviation of 'Dark Lord of the Sith'
>>740257672>Pureblood means half human/half Sith muttsReally? I guess I forgot much.>The original Sith are more monkeylike.I remember 8 feet tall lizards.
Red skinned lizards, specifically. With at least 2 castes. A warrior caste and some other. Priestly caste?
>>740257804>it was thousand of years later that the tradition of taking the title of Darth and an edgy nickname like Sideous became a thing. Not quite. Sith Emperor Vitiate's birth name was Tenebrae and he was super ancient. Not to mention the Sith themselves went through revisions of their code through out the history. Ajunta Pall and the later Sith empire was the first edition, Revan made no difference and he was not even a Sith emperor. Darth Bane and his rule of 2 generation of Sith was the second revision. Darth Krayt and his The One Sith philosophy was another.
>>740258098>Really? I guess I forgot much.It's spread over the comics, swtor and novels. Pretty easy to miss. But that's the irony. The more human like Sith are all descended from the original Dark Jedi exiles, and the regular Sith are more bestial looking.
>>740258264>swtorAh, that's it. Ignored it completely. I do regret missing SWG.
>>740258098The native Sith is basically what a gorrila mixed with an earthworm would look like.
>>740258583Anon no, the native sith didn't look like the specimen on the right of your pic. That's a Massassi.
>>74024145214 is legal on Ryloth
>>740258798You can see the native Sith in one of the old comic. Unlike the Pureblood, native doesn't have a prominent nasal bridge and they have 3 fingers.
>The native Sith were alien niggersThat explains alot
>>740258798>MassassiI remember that! That was either the warrior caste or maybe the worker caste.
>>740258798Massassi are native Sith. Just not the ones the Dark Jedi would've fucked because they were the lower caste warriors.
>>740221635>>Malak - Just a dumb play on his real name of Alek he adopted years before he ever fell to the Dark SideIt's a reference to Malachi, author of the Book of Malachi which is the last Book of the Hebrew Bible. He calls out the Jewish people for having grown complacent in their lives and disrespectful of God, prophecizing that God will send a punishment unto them. Malak is fittingly delivering punishment unto the Republic and the Jedi who have grown complacent and lazy in their positions of galactic power.
>>740259510However, granted, they went through different change under the reign of Naga Sadow and became more octopus-like with tendrills grew out of their head. The original Massassi looked the same as their Sith cousins, but with glowing yellow eyes.
In retrospect, i'm glad that Dickney decanonized the old Expanded Universe. All of these golds remain untouched by the modern nonsenses.
>listen to me, Exile>you NEED to fuck my daughter while I listen to it using the force
>>740261127Not canon.>b-but yidsneyNot their pseudo-canon either.
>Chingchong Nignog Hoyoaie>Eats your soul
>>740261347What do you think happened to this poor fucker when he died? Before he was just some faceless nobody, then Malachor turned him into an eldritch abomination. Its not like he asked for it, but at the same time he killed billions.
>>740261431He returned as a Force Ghost in Darth Krayt era. The guy might have been a victim, but he was evil as hell.
>>740261431He seems fine, all things considered.
>>740261535>>740261660I still haven't read Legacy outside of Vector but with what I do know of it, it really seemed to be afraid to be its own thing.>main good guy is a Skywalker, main bad guy is a minor recurring character from Republic>other cameos from Republic, some of which don't make sense (K'kruhk specifically)>pornbait twi'lek Sith whore because why not>Vector itself tying it into three other comic runs>trying to gain nerd cred with this scene of the Ancient Sith, including That One From The Videogame
>>740261994Legacy is genuinely awful. Kind of interesting insofar as it reflects an edge that Lucasfilm will probably never indulge again, though.
>>740261994Ehh the comic is ok. The cameos are nice and all but the main story is pretty self contained. Same with Kotor, you don't really need to do your homework to know who is Ajunta Pall or what is Mandalorian if you are not interested.
>>740262479Krayt is the best part of Legacy. Cade and his buddies are just typical Rebels flick you usually see in SW, not very memmorable but sure as hell better than what we got from Disney.
>>740261994I'm probably in the minority but I liked Legacy as well as Legacy 2 which seems to be obscure as fuck for some reason.
>>740262605It's Ostranderslop. I don't care for the art much either, though.
>>740213107>https://youtu.be/y1hCMKav3LE?t=34
>>740262846I kinda like it. The hero defeated the bad guy, got the girl and saved the day. It was slop of a better time.
>>740262904>Is the Dark Side stronger?>Luke I'm 800 fucking years old, a master of the Jedi Order for most of that, what do you think I'm going to say? Of course I'm going to tell you no. Idiot.
>>740263313>Yeah just kill your dad and stop asking questions
>>740261338>caring about leland chee’s headcanon that you schizo stalk all kotor threads to try and enforce it>when leland chee himself has declared it non-canonLol, couldn’t be me. You better be a devout hardcore roman catholic otherwise your rigid insane obsession with the definition of “canon” makes you a hypocrite and a retard.>inb4 fedora tipperThen you should care even less about “canon”
>>740263503NTA, "canon" in Star Wars should be treated as a convienent conversation device, not something that should be looked at seriously. I mean, in KOTOR 2, Revan's canon gender is female according to Canderous but SWTOR set him to be male again with a specific looks, as well as giving him the most dogshit ending imaginable. So, is KOTOR noncanon or TOR noncanon? Who fucking cares at this point, the entire old EU is non canon.
>>740262904>the dark side isn't stronger>that's why I gave up and have been cowering in fear in this swamp for the past two decades
>>740263846Even better, just assume that all the canon non-canon shit doesn't really matter, it's all just propaganda for one side or another. Shit did happen, but how it happened vs how everyone else knows it happened can be completely different. Or fuck it, go back to the 90s Rule: If George likes it, it's canon. If he hates it, it's not.
>>740264050I mean funny enough, the Jedi purge happened due to a bunch of Mandalorian clones with no Force usage whatsoever.
>>740263503What? Is that autism from some shitcord circlejerk?
>>740264204Yoda fought Palpatine, he'd have plenty of time to reflect on the fact that the Dark Side allowed him to cloud the perceptions of the entire Jedi High Council for years as Supreme Chancellor, walked among them on Coruscant for years before that as Senator of Naboo, put all the events of the Clone Wars in motion while dozens of Jedi around him never noticed a goddamn thing.The Clones killed the Jedi but the Dark Side made it possible.
>>740264657That's more of a political scheme rather than the actual power of the darkside.
>>740218728Lmfao what a faggot you are. Disney Star Wars is fan fic and non canon in my household. Do you think it makes you “smarter” about the lore bc Mickey Mouse tells you what is real in a fictional universe? Kys
>>740265108>Our ability to use the Force has diminishedDirectly Palpatine's doing.
>>740265108Lucas was trying to explain that politics are the Dark Side. That's why the Jedi tried not to get involved with the Senate.
Revan did nothing wrong. Fuck the jedi
>>740261994I like the idea of Legacy, we really do need to go a good thousand years past the OT setting into something new, when names like Skywalker, The Empire or the Republic conflict are the equivalent of Arthurian Legend.
>>740261535it was just a holocron, not a ghost
>>740263846I thought (You) determine Revan's gender when Kreia gives you the rundown of what happened in KOTOR1
>>740261431same thing that would have happened if he won, forced to consume himself and rendered into absolute nothingness. anything that came afterwards was merely an echo of his power and not the real guy. sith don't get true force ghosts like picrel who can just do and be wherever they feel like
>>740268471What in God's name is that art?
>>740268471>sith don't get true force ghostsThey can bind themselves to objects and places of power, so sort of yes and sort of no. It's not a true "existing with the Living Force" ghost but it is their enduring soul living beyond their death.
>Did you have the right, Skywalker? Did you have the right to bring justice down upon a marauding band of slaver bandits who existed free of any judicial system that could hold them to account for their brutal crimes against the moisture farmers of the Dune Sea? Would you do it again?>Yes.
>>740268865>ha ha whoops I was partially responsible for the Jedi Purge better fall to the dark side
>KOTOR>writing is for four year olds, blah blah space racism blah blah>polished experience all around>KOTOR2>writing is some of the best in the entire franchise>unfinished mess that leaves you unsatisfiedYou just cannot win.
>>740268865Except Jedi are supposed to be better than the average people. Not in the least because the power they wield can corrupt them into deranged sadists and murderers.
>>740269403>we must be le better menThey tortured his mother to death.
>>740269403>we must be better Jedi
>>740269486>What Padmé did before we met is none of my business
>>740269467Does not follow. It's not about them.
>>740269581Anakin was 9 and Padme was 14 when they met
>>740269830The Star Wars universe has neither a concept of war crimes nor age of consent.
>>740263393Well Vader isn't his dad...from a certain point of view :^)
>>740262904>t. green man whose incompetence destroyed the galaxy
>>740270073Why doesn't Yoda get more shit for this? He spent centuries ruining the Jedi Order with dogma and complacency while letting a sith lord take over the galaxy. Everything bad that happens in Star Wars is his fault but somehow we're supposed to think he's the wisest person ever.
>>740270230Yoda is genuinely one of my least favorite characters in SW. All he does is vaguepost and complain, without every providing solutions, all while pretending he's the smartest person in the galaxy.
>>740269403Anakin did not kill the tusken to indulge some sick desires nor did he murder them. He avenged not only his mother but a good 20 other people who went out looking for her with Lars. The tuskens raid and slaughter people without provocation. He knows it was wrong but he did it in retribution from a lost loved one.
>>740270402He probably avenged even more.
>>740270402>but a good 20 other people who went out looking for her with LarsA rare instance when the novelization is better than the movie.
>>740270484ENTER
>>740270576wrong ROTS novelization
>>740227640Which comic is this from? The art is incredible.
>>740270793I didn't even know that there were two, I just assumed it was one of the multiple covers and copy pasted it from google. I'm not even going to ask how the one I posted is, because there's no way in hell it could beat Stover.
>>740270402I'm not saying that he is wrong from a man perspective. Only from a Jedi perspective. They are supposed to be held to a much higher standard, and part of the reason is very pragmatic.
>>740270924The other one is a version meant more specifically for school age children.
>>740213107Malak had gone full retard and wanted to make sure his master was dead and buried, simple as that.
>>740270908Republic
>>740213107>Because as far as I can tell he was only interested in laughing evilly and razing planets he thinks his old master might be on.Congrats, you discovered the depth of Bioware writing. Enjoy wondering wtf people are talking about when they say "KOTOR 1 has better writing!"
>>740270402>Anakin did not kill the tusken to indulge some sick desiresHe explicitly slaughters them out of anger and hatred, things that fly in the face of the jedi code. He didn't care about justice or the threat they posed to others, he just gave in to the pain of losing his mother and went on a murder spree in the direction of the culprits. He himself feels like what he's done was unjedilike. He didn't kill women and children because they were part of a violent culture, he killed them because he was angry.
>>740223148You seriously think Crystal Star, which introduced naked fairy women and centaur monstergirls, was had value?
>>740224515I would strongly disagree. It does the best job of showing how the Emperor corrupted Jedi and treated aliens, as well as introducing concepts of the Force beyond just Light/Dark.
>>740225184It's because the work wasn't finished and it was a sequel hook for KOTOR 3.
>>740270402The Jedi way to approach this would be to contemplate and do nothing because otherwise it would be giving into your emotions which inevitably makes you ontologically evil in this universe.
None of you told me that Star Wars was transphobic.
>>740272757A smart and resourceful Jedi could probably conceive a plan to make the locals less vulnerable to raiders. After rescuing anyone still remaining a captive.
>>740272757A smart Jedi would pay a bounty hunter to pay a bounty hunter to kill the sandpeople for him.
>>740272618>concepts of the Force beyond just Light/DarkThat explicitly contradicts what the force is though.
Is there a way to actually use non jedi companions? I feel like I get shoehorned into jedi only since they have so many free saves + stun spells inherently.
>>740273741the existence of a "light" side contradicts George's definition of the Force. Force traditions outside the Jedi and Sith do not.Waru is an entirely different kettle of fish.
>>740273590Are the Jedi just jews?
>>740274116No, they don't actually do anything.
>>740272987>stabbing someone was a slow way to kill themSomeone was paid to write this dribble.
>>740274860Compared to shooting them with a laser blaster, it is.
>>740274903You really blew past that one huh?
>>740214041Darth Mommy
>>740213463>prepare for the bigger bad evil guy that was comingDidn't they already do this with Palpatine? Just let evil fuckers be evil. Palpatine and Malak's biggest strengths are just how hilariously over the top evil they are.
>>740274116No, the Muun are jews
>>740219123my unsubstantiated zero research theory is that Bao-dur talks like he's on military-grade anti-psychotics at 12db because of an otherwise thoroughly undeveloped plotline about Iridonian Zabrak all being angry psychopaths plus trying to match darth maul's two fucking lines of dialogue that were extant at the time where he is...kind of quiet ish.
>>740274116Of the many jewish crimes, they don't randomly snatch kids and indoctrinate them into their order. They're actually hyper racist about gentiles trying to straight up convert and join the chosen people club. snatch and eat the children? That's different, but adopt them into the merchant's guild? Not so much. Usually it only happens in a half-hearted way for people marrying in and it's more for the kids. Source: I actually spent three months with some rabbis in idaho of all fucking places and had lots of interesting discussions with them except I didn't know what "Ashkenazic" meant and nearly burst out laughing.
>>740219123AYO DEM PRETZELS AIGHT
>>740275349the light retconning that Palpatine was possibly building superweapons to fight the Vong and Revan uniting the galaxy to fight the ~True Sith~ was all happening around the same time
>>740222667>>740222897>Why yes, I was indeed the one who stole the Death Star plans, how could you tell?
>>740222667>Yes, a lot of it was shitOnly because there was a lot of it.
what a good thread How come Kotor3 was never made?
>>740277973It was repurposed into SWTOR
>>740273590>A smart Jedi would pay a bounty hunter to pay a bounty hunter to buy a droid to buy poisonous millipedes to kill the sandpeople for him.ftfy>>740274860This your first exposure to Traviss-slop?
>>740261338>canonWho cares about canon in SW anymore
>>740214041>My WifeKreia isn't interested in you like that anon
