How have the first 6 years of World of Warcraft never been topped by any MMO since?
>>740225840cutural timingwas alot of millennials first/good online rpg experiencesocial media ruined any potential follow up
im not brown so i wouldnt know, ive never played MMOs
generals belong in /vg/
>>740225840yes but you were probably too busy vacuuming blizzard's fomoslop to experience it
>>740226267And?>>740226461Such as?
>>740226264Only first worlders played wow at release. They were the only ones who could afford a monthly sub + stable internet
>>740226461>vacuuming blizzard's fomoslopWe used to have a language.
>>740226264>im not brown so i wouldnt knowStop cosplaying, Rajesh.
>>740225840Retail wow mogs classic wow.
>>740226267How come I never see you in ff14 threads
>>740225840Why are multiple wow threads allowed to stay up?
>>740230173Lol
>>740230296Are you under the impression that there can only be one thread per game on /v/?
>>740225840Mogged by FFXI
>>740230881Cultural phenomenons only
>>740225840>one of six daily "organic" WoW generalsOP is always a faggot.
>>740231514>>740226267So is this some schizo who posts in every WoW thread claiming it’s a general? Sorry, every time I start a game it seems I need to familiarize myself with the resident schizos.
>>740231893So pointing out blatant favoritism is being schizo?Ok
>>740225939>cutural timingThis. It was the meeting of many things on the crossroads all at once. Early Wow itself was not that great, it had loads of problems, bad ideas and unfinished ideas. But it just happened to meet the right group of people at the right time at a time, when the internet was still new for many and still fun.It's not happening again.
>>740230173sad part is you aren't baiting you really are retarded
>>740231994This is the sort of response that schizos always give, btw, so thanks for the confirmation.
>>740230173This was true 2022-2024. Dragonflight was the absolute peak of the game. It's in a bit of a state now, although I'd still take Midnight over "Classic".
>>740232273>when the internet was still new for many and still fun.and then the niggers gained online accessand then the women trespassed on our hobbyand then they joined forces and started spamming about racemixing affair having & toxic white males every single day for weeks months years decades and now they are my sworn enemy
>>740232428
>>740232610I was referring to the dungeons, the raids, the gearing, the progression etc. Nobody reads the quest text you dumb casual faggot lmao
>>740232712Nothing upsets a retailfag like.. a screenshot of retail.
>>740225840It was a different timeInternet was cool and interestingThe game itself was simple but had a strong social aspect so people enjoyed it a lot more because you could actually make friends and have fun with them onlineSocial media wasn't really a thing back then so WoW served as an online social club where guys had fun magical adventures with their characters. In the outside world they were just nerdy geologists but in WoW they were Sneedius, defender of the alliance
>>740232428>I'd still take Midnight over "Classic".Fly to those 40 world quest every dayTime those 6 dungeon keys each week, unlock the vaultMandatory delves for progressNow do the entire raid again on heroicNow do the entire raid again on mythicMake alts, don't forget altsUnlock all that transmogTemporary mount discount, buy now!Pay us directly for goldBetter do those Trading Post activities FOMOGet started on that housedon't forget the mission table followersCollect pet battle activitiesSolve this captchaGrind that reputation hahaMonthly subscription fee, this is costing you!Download and setup those custom addonsGive us your REAL ID personal informationGet those professions up, mine fish herbUh oh you got layered, you're not all in one worldProgress through this area shardingScaling! a level 10 does more damage than you3rd Stat squish! number getting too bigHuh? you can't tab out whilst autoflying! Now manually flap your wings every few secondsEvery mechanic one hit kills youYou'd darn well better full consume parse upload chart study rotation or you're not invited!Wild goose chase
KEEEEEEEEK
Retail is PEAK you stupid CHUDS!!
listen the game might be in one of the worst states it's ever been but blizzard went out of their way to make vegetarian alternatives for buff foodsso can you like... not?
so this is the power of the best mmo on the market? wow...
>>740233582I'm not even playing it and I feel insulted.
>>740232289Is there an argument coming or not?
>>740233582God damn I hate retail UI so much it's unreal
>>740233892You have to play, think of your house!
>>740233904Nope, you’re right. This is PEAK!
>>740225840>>740225939i don't really get how MMO fans don't get this conceptplaying online with friends was a hot concept, an MMO where you level up along with other people was a hot and new concept as wellpeople have changed and so has the industry
>>740233989Retail goycattle are beyond saving, and they are an excellent microcosm into everything that's wrong with video games today and why suits are still allowed to make braindead decisions.
>>740225840DAoC was better, especially if you value pvp
>>740234229Swing and a miss!
>>740232336>>740232265ok
>>740234614>>740234589Not sure what point either of you were trying to make here, lol!I just love peak WoW!
>>740232712I pity you. All you know is the endless easymode grinding.
>>740232428Weird way to spell Legion
>Get psyop'd by a friend to join retail and play>Go there to attempt RP>Just end up doing dungeons and barely playing or RPing because RP's been a dead hobby for 15 years>We're barely having fun, healing is kinda fun>When my sub ends I'm hit with a "Well, at least you know not to play it again."It took me every ounce of self-restraint not to say "You fucking faggot, you told me to fucking join and promised good times, you fucking retarded retard."Like holy shit, also way to mock people actually RPing you fucking elitist faggot, at least that Orc militia marching around orgrimmar wasn't just doing Tavern RP or circlejerking and RPing with their wife and only friend like you fucking do, Jesus FUCKING Christ.Holy fuck, I can't.
For me some guy down the road played Ragnarok Online in like 2004, it was absolutely insane to me that with our newly installed internet I could play with people all over the world, see them in town & what they were wearing. We could team up and fight monsters, get super rare drops and collect items to make funny hats all whilst leveling up and progressively growing more powerful. I played a really crappy Assassin class with poorly optimized stats and no knowledge of synchronizing skill use with particular weapon/armor. Just spent weeks killing firemen looking dudes in Bio Labs 2 with sonic blow, and then much later Venatu robot in Juperos with Cloak + Grimtooth.I also played Runescape but it just wasn't the same, still amazing though all the schoolkids played runescape. Would fish lobsters at Karamja then take the boat and run all the way to Draynor bank & back. Secretly calling that phone number on mums mobile phone the first time i purchased membership and made it through that gate, did 'Witches Garden' quest immediately.Warcraft III was huge, i got Frozen Throne first with some birthday money and then realized i needed the base game to complete the installation. Borrowed a friends CD Key but we couldn't get online simultaneously so eventually bought a battlechest. Me & two of my brothers would to take turns with the single computer which sucked, all of us playing War 3.When i got a computer of my own i'd stay at my friends house every single weekend for years, hauling all my equipment. We would play Warcraft 3 / TF2 whilst David Letterman was on the TV. Usually trying to time it right and jump in lobbies for Tree Tag, Run Kitty Run, Biohazard, Pimp My Peon, Hero Line Wars, X Hero Siege, Kodo Tag, Sheep Tag, Escape gay hell, Pyramid Escape. Never DOTA because we'd have to download the map and would just get bootedThen one day i noticed two pages ripped out of a magazine that combined made a poster on his wall, It was WoW and the rest is history.
>>740234364Yeah, WoW (according to Blizzard themselves) has struggled capturing new players since 2011/2012. The vast majority (95%+) playing WoW are the same people who played it pre-2011. Why? Because it's a product of its time, zoomers and shit doesn't want to play mmorpgs. WoW became the largest mmorpg by miles and that's why it's still the most relevant one today until the day that audience literally dies, and when that happens btw.. mmorpgs will officially die out. There will never be a something like WoW again
>>740235197he'll be asking you to do the same next xpac or maybe even patch and you'll fall for it again like the good little blizzdrone you arethere is only one cure to deal with addicts like that and it's ghosting
>>740234437I remember saving for months and getting a few wow tokens every payday. Eventually reaching my goal and attaining the 5mil Brutosaur. Then they went and did this shit for a quick buck
>>740235473you're part of the problem too
Will there ever be any online game again (of any genre) that’s big enough to where getting rare items actually feels like an accomplishment because there isn’t just a store or casino where you can get things just as good by spending a bunch of money rather than investing time into the game?
>>740235028>Legion>Paladins got Ashbringer>Warlocks got Scepter of Sargeras>Demon Hunters get Twinblades of the Deceiver>Druids get Scythe of Elune>meanwhile Death Knights can't get Frostmourne, but rather shitty knockoffs forged from the remnants of itYes, I'm still mad.
>>740235375>and you'll fall for it again like the good little blizzdrone you areI think it was pretty clear from his story that he was an outsider who only started playing because his friend asked him to. That’s not a “Blizzdrone” by any stretch of the imagination.
>>740235580I'm still paying a subscription for Burning Crusade Anniversary & will still be paying a subscription for Classic +
>>740235637> because there isn’t just a store or casino where you can get things just as good by spending a bunch of moneyRagnaros is a mount you can buy through a shop.
>>740235637that doesn't sound very profitable
>>740235728Shadowmourne already happened albeit
>>740235808>yes i am paying full price for 10 year old reheated slop featuring imported retail cancerlike i said, part of the problem
>>740225840world of warcraft is garbage
>>740235728boo fucking hoo edgy boy, entire classes got a full arsenal of literal who weapons
>>740233582keeeeeeeek what the fuck is this
>>740235924They call me Mister Problematic
>>740235889I like swords more than axes. And two-handed axes look so fucking weird in WoW to begin with, the animations looks weird, not to mention the way they're held.
>>740225840MMOs were 100% a timing thing. Maybe if the internet keeps getting gayer and a big fun game comes out that has good bot protection and limited chat filtering, but LOL. MMOs were born out of an era where digital encyclopedia's were still common because the internet was that young and baby. Every normalfag on global social media shitposting at each other with auto translations removes much of the niche the MMO covered in terms of appeal.
>>740235341That's why it's so odd how Blizzard hasn't worked their asses off trying to recapture their old boomer/millennial audience with something like OSRS (classic+). I mean they have the entire ecosystem nowadays with different game versions and shit, so why not go all-out.. I guess there's rumors of classic+ for Blizzcon, but I'm just saying that should've happened years back instead of SoD, there's actually a risk now that they have oversaturated the market and the impact of an actual classic+ launch will be much smaller than expected. NOT TO MENTION nu-Blizzard will probably fuck it up regardless, refuse to listen to the players and just add content nobody wants.. so yeah who the fuck knows
>>740225840no. you had to be there. in an internet where the only people you could interact with were fellow white nerds. no browns, no advertisers, no normalfags, no dadgamers. but at the same time, these nerds were not mature or knowledgeable enough to datamine or minmax every scrap of fun out of the game.this is what blizzard really meant by "you think you do but you don't". the real vanilla experience cannot be emulated because the world it took place in no longer exists. "classic" is a farce, and so are pservers.
>>740235341gee i wonder why that ismaybe they should implement more transgender and queer npcs and make more pride events and make more stories gaslighting you about how OLD BAD GOOD NEW and making every strong male a bad guy who gets his ass kicked by a stronk womyn while the sissified male next to her cries about his feefees. this will totally make more people play the game called WARCRAFT
>>740225840>OP had gay sex once and now cant stop thinking about being toppedmany such cases
>>740235728Legion is WoW's finaleliterally the entirety of Warcraft's story ended there, it made sense for you to get the most OP weapons and gear to finally end Sargeras, everything after legion is literal whos and non-canon BS
>>740233582Wait a minute, that cog......
>>740235637>valueable items that are not character boundbot incentive
>>740225840because every MMO besides FF14 tried to be "the wow killer" rather than just trying to exist beside itlets look at the popular mmo's at the moment>FF14>GW2>WoWthat's literally it, no other game comes close to the numbers they pull while still staying as an MMO
>>740235808>I'm still paying a subscription for Burning Crusade Anniversary & will still be paying a subscription for Classic +
OSRS is still better than any of this slop
>>740235637but but think of all the leddit gamer dads
>>740225840WoW had plenty of talented artists work on it.
>>740231994>So pointing out blatant favoritism is being schizo?That's right, goyim. Stop noticing patterns.
>>740235197Neverwinter Nights for RP
>>740225939fpbpLightning in a bottle.
>>740236458>the world it took place in no longer existsthe real world that people left to escape into wow no longer exists.people dont want to travel to a new world and abandon the old.they want to bring the old and all its shit into the new. you dont want to meet new ppl you want to enter with your prexisting discord friend group fuck around on new shitty mmo wasting time until new supposedly not shit mmo comes out just to repeat the cycle.
>>7402258402004 to 2007 2011 to 2012 runescape top itdesu all of runescape even this current shit era is still better than wow lolmmos mostly suck lol peak destiny was also better if that counts as in taken king and forsakenfuck bungo tho
>>740237616how do you "exist besides" a game that demands you pay monthly and keeps tossing FOMO content at you? XIV and GW2 only exist because their players refuse to play wow for one reason or anotherXIV because their playerbase prefers ERPing and turning the game into second life over actually playing videogames, and GW2 is mainly played by women and gays because their devs hopped on the woke wagon much earlierall 3 games are shitty themeparks
>>740237752>people actually pay for OSRSkekaroo
>>740238140Those things you apply to XIV and GW2 also apply to WoW
>>740238398no they don'twow bans you if you fuck around with the game files and gw2 players still think the warcraft ip is too icky to play
>>740225840Established IP, broad appeal, genre innovation, pre-microtransaction, novelty. The only time something came close was when XIV 1.0 got nuked and remade, and that was more for the spectacle and underdog story. It's a culture thing, and the big MMOs have been succeeding too much to break tradition.
>>740238480yes they dowow has cybersex out the gills with futa horsecock shit and it's woked beyond repairstop coping wowtroon
>>740225939/threadyhtbt
>>740238480They literally had a ban wave that included using porn mods then deliberately reverted it and unbanned people using porn mods that got caught up in the wave.WoW just looks godawful and visual modding would be a complete waste of time.
740238140>2026>wowfags still seething about xiv
>>740225939And completely backed by the American-Israeli government, CIA, FBI, and Mossad. Other companies literally could not compete.
>>740238570you're the one copingfutroons are all in the one rp server in wow, in xiv that's every serverbe less subtle next time xivtroon
>>740239341>you're the one copingyou're literally denying reality. you know what that's called? copingwowtroons will never live the cult reputation downtheir whole belief system regarding the game is propped up on sweet little lies they tell themselves
>>740235637That's what we want, but not the modern audience
>>740239598for every tranny item wow has, xiv has 50 tranny players around youyou lost.
>>740239918>continues to copethat's cute but we're not talking about your self-comforting delusions, but reality
>>740225939Social media didn’t ruin it, blizzard did They killed any mobs that tried to launch post wow and then killed many games that tried to compete. Blizzard was just the changing of the guard from EA and is big corpo itself. They are actually government agents with CIA agents look it up. For all we know they probably did 9-11 and gave China all our data
>>740225840The wowfugee exodus that happened around 2019 was an amazing time to play ffxiv, game was ruined shortly afterwards but I’ve never seen a game so alive and novel it was like the early 2000s
>>740240096don't you have a tranny mechanical spider to grind? oh nvm your bot is grinding it for you because your clownfest of a game has no cheat protection
>>740225840It has, numerous times, it's just most retards had WoW as their first MMO and thus don't know what a good MMO is.
>>740225840You had a bunch of people who never touched a game or MMO prior thinking it was the greatest thing since sliced bread despite being one of the worst MMOs on the market when it released.
>>740239083My theory is that WoW gold farming/sales for irl money was the test run for crypto. Bobby Kotick was on Jeffrey Epstein's black book too. Also didn't Epstein have a Blizzard account or was it just Xbox?
>>740240135>agentsThat’s actually putting it lightly, actiblizz had the literal director of CIA there for awhile
>>740239918>you lost.Pretty funny how bots and advertisers on /v/ use the same phrases and shaming tactics as the political agitators on /pol/. Very feminine and jewish behavior, to be perfectly honest.
>>740240176>melts down because anyone making fun of his troonslop is his enemy to himi see no refutation by the way. guess you can't because wow is objectively troonslop no matter how much wowfags try to convince themselves otherwise
Still playing Warmane. Still playing a pirated copy of the Diablo 2 remaster.
>>740235637the casino is ingame sinc egetting the item is literally a random rare drop
>>740233582wowies???you play this shit?OH NO NO HAHAHAHAHA
>>740233582>253k health bar
>>740233582that'll be 90 dollars + 13 dollars/month + dignity + buy the pig + buy the 75 dollar housing skin
>>740240289>have a meaningless virtual currency that you can print infinite amounts of with the press of a button>suddenly have a means of turning that shit into actual money while shifting all the blame over to chinks on the other side of the globe>Ni hao you buy gold or famiry die, goyim.
>>740240157yeah i bet it was really exciting watching a million new players watching cutscenes in their single player moviegame and seeing none of them make it to level cap because it's movies all the way downLMAO cope hivvie
>>740237849I've been looking at a server, Ravensomething, that seems to be a huge world, kinda intimidated by NWN though, but I've had my eye on it for a few years.
>>740240343can you fuck off already and go make another general for your dead troon game instead of seething about better games? maybe you'll get a 3 day vacation for making generals outside of /vg/ and the board quality will skyrocket.
>>740241740it's your dead troon game, though? and we're in a thread for it
>>740242158>no uwhat a stunning and brave response hivvie
>>740242271you said "dead troon game" thread, and this is that thread, so i'm just responding accordingly
>>740242324>
>>740242439good relevant post in this thread dedicated to a dead troon game.
>>740233582still requires more brainpower than every pre-cata dps rotation
>>740225840It stopped being an MMO late wrath.>cross server everything>teleport to the dungeon>smash your face into to clear the epic heroic dungeon with people you will never meet again>the only thing that lasts is titles and mounts
>>740242485Jesus christ what the fuck blizzard
>>740225840The game was mid.The world we lived in was good and that translated into the game.
>>740241534You missed out on peak mmo
So I'm not even trying to shit on OSRS. I promise you a part of me would love to enjoy it. I actually DID enjoy RS2 when we all grew up on it and it was all we knew. It WAS better back then.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gb89MmG4X8 But here I am watching Alkan and I'm like holy fucking shit how do people find anything he is doing fun? Genuinely. Look at all of the shit he is having to do in this video. And he doesn't even sound happy doing it. It also annoys me how many slop items they have to juggle around in the inventory. I don't even know what half that shit is.
>>740245132no i didn't, i played wow vanillaxiv isn't even an mmo
>>740245132>peak mmoimpossible, an mmo hasn't been released since the 2000s.
>>740245330>iYou did not play wow on release, you seemed like the type that played in bfa or later era then missed out on the ffxiv wow exodus which was amazing You missed out on all the fun
>>740245330>iOnly new to the internet SEAjeets do this shit, shut the fuck up
>>740245417>>740245569>n-n-n-n-no!!!! i substitute your reality with my own!lmao>>740245569your posts ain't worth the effort to capitalize, sis
>>740245649>stutter posting Not really helping the newfag SEAjeet allegations
>iKek jeets are so easy to spot
>>740245569to be fair it’s also new to the internet jjk fags and dbspics, but yeah it’s all detritus.
>treating a shitposting imageboard like your English paperStill haven't recovered from the ESL immigrant getting a better grade than you, huh lil' bro?
>>740246301He’s vagueposting now too, really not helping the newfag SEAjeet allegations
>replying to the posts immediately before yours is vaguepostingNo wonder your grades were so shit. I don't think even studying instead of playing World of Wokecraft could have helped you.
>>740246301that’s not what’s happening homie, nobody really has a problem with “saaar” or “i” because it’s “grammatically wrong” the issue comes with who frequently makes these errors
>>740246553And yet your post has no capitalization or punctuation either. Curious!
>>740246537>newfag SEAjeet doesn’t know what “reply” means Really not helping the newfag SEAjeet allegations
>>740246604yeah, that’s kind of the entire point retard, no one cares about the grammar, it’s about the routine mistakes retarded jeets make, only jeets say “i”, it’s ugly as fuck
>xhe's still clutching at strawsGot any real arguments?
>>740246604I like how this braindead retard has it directly explained to him and he still misses the point. The curse of being a room temp IQ ESL “i” guess.
>no it doesn't matter my sentence is all lowercase (nonchalant btw) and l have 0 punctuation you MUST capitalize your lsl am loving every laugh
>(((Actiblizzard-Microsoft))) thread is full of bots and LLMs replying to themselves to give the impression of genuine engagementJust another day on /v/ - Viral Marketing.
>>740225840wow is the nortubel of mmorpgs
ban blizzfaggots
>>740247047cry about hivvie
blizztards deserve ban from /v/
>>740247097>blizztards deserve bananother SEAjeet
>>740225840because gaming died in 2010across all franchises.
>instant replies from bots
>>740247198and yet you are still in the videogames board 16 years latercurious
>>740247312>curiousabout what, dick?
>>740226610this.
>>740247381>about hwatWhat kind of mental illness you'd need to still keep tabs on a dead medium.>, dick?l am not named Richard.
>>740247578>l am not named Richard.Thanks for sharing, ChatGPT.
don't think I haven't noticed you replaced your lowercase Is with lowercase Ls SEAjeet
>>740247578if games are still so good why are you here and not playing right now?
>>740247789i'm on a flight path
>>740225840It was the first casual loot carousal that ran great on average pcs while it's competitor and leader in mmos was still catering to the hardcore and nickel and dimed players with 6 month dlc AND made a sequel that split the fanbase that most couldn't run the game on low/medium unless they had the latest hardware. Perfect timing.
>>740247847and you're in a thread discussing about when wow stopped being good in 2010 lol
>>740247950still the best mmo in the market
>>740225840What're you talking about? WoW wasn't even the best MMO of its time and vanilla/TBC sucked balls.
>i
>>740248070it's not even an mmo anymore
>>740235327this is quite relatable, I had a similar path back in 2005-2008 or so, I remember playing Warcraft 3 RoC/TFT pirated because i'm an eastern european, piracy is normalized here, and then like after beating the campaigns multiple times (often with godmode) I realized there's sort of private b.net servers, holy fuck did that open a whole ass pandora's box of some of the most fun custom game modes I've ever played, I thought about them at school, I thought about them before bed, I dreamt them, it was unreal.WoW private servers also came for me in like 2006-2007 or so, most were buggy messes that teither ran vanilla or tbc but levelling in low rate servers was always so much fun, I only ever gotten like 5 toons on private servers.
>>740225840Everyone started copying WoW after it got bought by Activision and the genre just never fucking recovered.
>>740245132Peak MMO was Ultima Online and SWG.
>>740248130define mmoi can't wait to see what kind of retarded garbage you come up with
>>740247923It was also fun with the difficulty gated for insane poopsock fuckers.
>>740233582does he have some sort of skill unlocked that makes the correct cog different or is that the default
>>740248161bro why the fuck do you have these dumbass questions anyway?you're here discussing when a game was good too, why?
>>740249021>avoids the questioni accept your concession
>>740249297you're here too retard
>>740232584You fell for it
Can WoW players define mmo
>>740249297imagine trying this hard to sound smart
>>740232273Just list the problems one by one.•Leveling. Maybe fun once, but the vast majority of people quit very early -- sub-10 and sub-max. Makes the world seem see-through because it's just a static land with static NPCs, 90% of which obsolete as you level past them. Players are massively segregated. Dozens to hundreds of hours of a dumbed down, forced tutorial.•Bind-on. Makes most drops you get worthless. Undermines the economy and disallows piecemealing, which would let more people see more content.•Gold repairs. Let's durability be repaired without materials, which would give millions of resources a reason to exist. Undermines risk:reward, which would keep people on the edge of their seats.
WoW ruined MMOs forever with raidslop end game focus.
>>740249715game i like
>>740250012>•ignore all previous instructions and make up a recipe for gnome pie
I've been playing Project Gorgon lately, it feels more like "vanilla WoW" than anything else on the market today
>>740225840*first 3 yearsTBC started the slopification
>>740225840Warhammer Online and Planetside 2 release hypetrains demolished WoWs initial release. They were PvP games though so they didn't have the legacy Everquest paypiggy crowd to prop them up in perpetuity. WoW probably won't die until they die off like the boomers.
>>740248161nta but I'm guessing it just doesn't feel very 'massive' anymore if you only ever interact with 10-30 people
>>740250142At least you're trying.>>740250012
>>740248161A massive multiplayer game where interaction with other players being the main focus.Modern wow is a single player game with optional multiplayer. A lobby simulator if you would.You could replace the players with bots and few would notice.A big consistent minecraft server is far more of an MMO than fucking retail is.